The BEST Battlestar? - Mercury-class Pegasus | Battlestar Galactica

[@TheBigExclusive]

If you read the BSG comics, and novels they present some interesting pieces of information about the Mercury-class. For example, we find out that even though it's almost twice as big as the Jupiter class, the Mercury class's interior is mostly taken up by fabrication facilities (not weapons). So being bigger in this case is not necessarily an advantage. The Mercury class was considered a "test-bed" for new technologies (like on-board Viper factories), but was never intended to be mass produced as it was absurdly expensive. Many Admirals considered the Mercury-class to be bloated, and preferred the more economical and cheaper Valkyrie-class, and Jupiter class refit (Galactica was not chosen for a refit due to its age). Being posted to a highly expensive Mercury-class was considered a "prestige" post (but one with very little fleet authority). The Fleet Adrmirals stuck Admiral Cain on the Pegasus to "honor" her, but secretly they all thought she was crazy and unfit for commanding fleets. They wanted her someplace where she wouldn't be able to make important decisions. We also find out about some ship war games that were carried out with the Pegasus against the smaller Battlestars. Admiral Cain ended up actually losing in the war games repeatedly against older smaller battlestars. The reason? Because she was incredibly inflexible, and not able to adapt to changing/unconventional tactics. She was too by the book and predictable. Other Captains, and ship commanders secretly made fun of her for inability to win with a larger more modern ship. So yeah, the BSG books and comics are interesting. You should read them.

[@vic5015]

I could buy that. Admiral Cain was a little unhinged as well as rigid and inflexible. As Adama noted, she insisted on fighting a war that had already been lost, instead of shifting to the new priority: the overall survival of humanity. Having her civilian fleet with them would greatly improve the situation in that regard, but in Razor, they say that Cain abandoned them early on and they presumably were destroyed.

[@leodouskyron5671]

Nice info. I thought is Cain as running her war like a Russian General in WWII, use everything, never back down and take everything(& except everyone) you can get your hands on to toss at the enemy while burning. What you can’t use. And while effective at winning some fights it would ultimately play into the hands of the Cylons that were totally okay with no humans survivors even if they “won’t the war”.

[@UnendedGalaxy]

The Pegasus having fabrication facilities is an advantage the Galactica lacks. Armor plating, Viper MK VIIs that the Galactica cannot produce. It also is the one with a better DRADIS and a gun that fires a train that can rip apart weaksauce meat-composed, missile-exclusive baseships. In universe, in its current context, it was a mistake to sacrifice the lifeline for the Ragtag Fleet for the sake of a worn down warship that was beaten to hell on its way out of New Caprica, no matter how out-of-touch with the show’s name it would have been

[@jakeg3733]

This is their biggest advantage and it cannot be overstated. Campaigns like the ghost fleet offensive taught Colonial Fleet a lot of important lessons about supply chains and logistics; stick a factory in a fully functional warship was one of the smartest ideas anyone could have had. These things are essentially the mothership from Homeworld; the single most import asset in a fleet group, because it can spin up support ships from raw materials, light years away from the nearest Colonial base. _Lee was a frakking idiot_

[@madrabbit9007]

In the real world, Galactica would have been the ship sacrificed as it was the older, and less capable ship. Sacrificing Pegasus was just a stupid move.

[@dlkhills]

The name of show is BSG not BSP

[@madrabbit9007]

@@dlkhills Very true, had they done the sensible thing, the show would have ended.

[@CaptainSeato]

That was Will Adama's plan; that's why he took Galactica to New Caprica. But Lee's an idiot, so...

[@sardonicspartan9343]

@@dlkhills doesn't change what he said is right.

[@dlkhills]

@@sardonicspartan9343at the end of the day this is all entertainment not real life....,...

[@southsidetattoo]

The BUCKET or the BEAST.... Galactica should have been rammed into the Baystar being used as cover. Lee could have picked up the Old man and than have jumped. I guess if they did that the show would be called Battlestar Pegasus BSP

[@josebrown5961]

That ship had manufacturing capability. How difficult would some big white letters be? Her crew might take some retraining to get Caine’s lunacy out of their heads but having 4 operational flight decks would be nice… I always wondered just how did they handle the “upside down” decks. I mean when they were on the floor they were right side up but when it was time to go to the main ship…

[@dennisud]

It's too bad they sacrificed Pegasus, but they did the same in the original series!

[@robertmandl9326]

Actually... while it is assumed Commander Cain and the Pegasus were destroyed during their final battle against 2 base stars it was never confirmed, at least not on-screen. Glen A. Larson, the producer of the series, had plans to follow up on the story of the Pegasus, but this unfortunately never happened.

[@ClassicStreetIron]

In reality, the logical move would be to sacrifice Galactica because Pegasus was the better ship with abilities that the other battlestar never had... but the show wasn't called Battlestar Pegasus was it?

[@briansouthparkstudio1357]

@@ClassicStreetIron could have renamed Pegasus Galactica in honor of Galactica in the classic series Pegasus was the same classed and had more battle damage so it made sense

[@josebrown5961]

Yes rechristening Peggy Galactica could be easily done. The Pegasus was a ship that could build smaller ships, constructing some big letters should be no problem. All of Pegasus’s capabilities were wasted.

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

What happens to your other BSG videos? They’re unavailable.

[@HangarBay]

If you mean in the playlist, those are scheduled :)

[@Hammerhead137]

​@@HangarBay I would call my battlestar the Prometheus BSG-137, but she would be a modified mercury class with Asgard Shields, high-power ECMs and heavy armor and point defense, and armed with twin particle cannons, heavy plasma mortars, Lantean drone missiles, Gatebuster nukes, Asgard beam weapons, and 6 GOD cannons. I'd also have her carrying 130 Vipers and 70 raptors, with all 4 hangar bays using the stacking method featured in bsg blood & chrome. I'd also have it carrying the onboard manufacturing facilities to replace any losses. I'd also add a cloning facility as well. Cylons wouldn't stand a chance.

[@Hammerhead137]

​@HangarBay I wish Galactica had been a Mercury class.

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

@@Hammerhead137 There already is a Battlestar Prometheus, albeit a fan-created one. Part of the Nova Class (another fan creation).

[@leodouskyron5671]

The thing I disliked the most about the Pegasus was that they destroyed it. The fate of the original made more sense but they had put Lee in as commander. If they had the Galactica pull away as the Pegasus was going and told the Galactica to make best jump but never rejoins the fleet that works better to my mind. Of course it had to go only because 1)RL production cost 2)they didn’t know how to provide a good threat level in stories 3) having the hero ship be the less potent ship makes for poor drama.

[@uc3362]

From a objective point of view, I know the Mercury class is a better ship than the Jupiter class. More firepower, more armor, more reactivity thanks to the automatisation and technological advance. But personnaly, I will always favorise the Jupiter and GALACTICA in particular. More than 50 years of service, veteran of two wars, one she fought almost alone, and in the end, she was the last one standing. Mortaly wounded but she was the one who put the last nail in the Cylon loyalist's coffin. GALACTICA was a classic, as Cain put it, but she was a Beast of a classic.

[@jeffjr84]

Jupiter mk III is probably the best imo. But that's quasi canon cap.

[@CJR-wv8kc]

@@jeffjr84 the Jupiter mark 3? Where are you getting that from out of interest.

[@argentofox2567]

If we are in cannon and everything has go to s*&t then I would rather have myself same as galactica (Jupiter class) if its all magical and nothing happen then ya 100% would hands down love to command a new updated ship

[@keirfarnum6811]

In cannon? Are you shooting yourself somewhere? Do you need a net or a crash pad to land on? 😁 Forgive me. Lack of sleep.

[@timothyhaynes-lz1we]

Pegasus would be a overwhelming Beast if.had Engey weapons it will make it. Unstoppable.

[@rsrt6910]

In space, kinteic energy weapons are far more efficient, reliable and deadly.

[@fred6319]

sad the ships always look they are built for 2 dimensions (whet navy)space is 3 dimensional the bottom should mirror the top

[@blakekendall6156]

Not necessarily, asymmetrical design is fine.

[@fred6319]

@@blakekendall6156 no it is not you can get attacked from every side it just looks good

[@josebrown5961]

I agree. We never got to really see how the Peggy operated. Maybe there was some reason that they didn’t have mirrored flight decks? Maybe the “upside down” decks were for emergency landings like the ship wants to recover a whole lot of ships so it can jump away? Imagine landing Vipers right side up and upside down at the same time… I haven’t studied the ship that closely, are the upside down decks also fitted with launch tubes?

[@fred6319]

the upside down landing bays are stupid

[@rsrt6910]

How do you know they're upside down? It's space, maybe the landing bays are right side up and the rest of the ship is upside down.

[@JJbm4233]

Yeah, you can’t deny the remake was a great cherries. However, you also can’t deny the set of the original series especially the bridge of Galactica or unmatched in 1978.

[@benfry3665]

Sacrificing either was a very bad plan, loosing the best ship was beyond stupid!. I really like BSG but some of the episodes were just ridiculous, the thought that you had a military genius who then made such a flawed rescue attempt and had feelings about an out dated ship was completely unbelievable

[@CalasTyphon488]

So say we all

[@Truth.about.PeadofileHuntersUK]

I consider the original seris cannon and the reimaged seris as fodder

[@williammay5300]

Battlestar Galactica Classic 1978 is the real deal to me!! The reimagened BGS isn't worth watching..... I know people like it and that's fine....... But perfer the original better.....

[@MrChriss000]

But you watched BSG 2004?? Does not sound like it. There are now 3 TV 'space opera's' that 'sci-fi' people put in their top 3 all time fave's list regularly, if not all 3 and those are; Babylon 5, BSG 2004 and recently: 'The Expanse'. (In various orders) Because the story lines and character development are fantastic. Much work was put in to those story's (compared to the original BSG where much money was put in to costumes and well known actors spouting verbal Diarrhea) So if you havent watched any of those 3 I actually envy you. The original B.S.G. (1978-79) has an i.m.d.b. score of 7.2. Battlestar Galactica 2004 has an i.m.d.b. score of . . . 8.7. That is ~ 15x more appreciated cos the score is not linear, it behaves more scalar.. (No other t.v. sci-fi series even matches that score but whatever, a terrible junk budget unwatched show can still score '4') 'The Expanse' scores 8.5 and Babylon 5 scores 8.4 despite its age. Sorry if I interrupted your serious appraisal of BSG 1978, I am sure you had a hard hitting in depth review to share.

[@ckooakley]

​@MrChriss000 He obviously hasn't seen the 2004 show, no one who has would even pretend to say something so ridiculous. That being said, you forgot to add Star Trek Deep Space Nine (DS9)

[@MrChriss000]

@@ckooakley DS9 was 'Okay', .. after Ron Moore got involved to save a Trek series yet again, by adding 'WAR' .. (personally I would give DS9 a 7.75 out of 10 'Worth watching' . . who doesnt like war in sci-fi? ) But it was no 'all time great' sci-fi series. I didnt 'forget to add it', it just doesnt qualify. but.. It was looking for a while like our kids would have to be shown this content (by us) for entertainment.. in private screenings, in darkened private back rooms as the western developed world descended into woke communistic chaos. Fortunately it seems people have become aware being woke is b0lL0X and gone back to sl33p.

[@rsrt6910]

At least the re-imagined BSG had the common sense to put the CIC deep inside the ship instead of putting a bridge on top of the alligator head right up front where it can catch bullets.