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[@FullAnimics]

Ah yes my favourite British battle cruiser

[@HoshikawaHikari]

Kongo desu

[@flamingmelons6321]

I ran into battles too fast at the beginning so I found the American BBs to be more helpful and mindful of my aggressiveness. Also made me prepare for torpedo threats early.

[@fuglbird]

Potato Quality used to recommend the American battleships as the first line and I started it. The problem is, that at tier V, VI and VII they are slower than many islands. One of the Flamm's said don't do the American line. Do the Japanese line. That taught me not to believe the streamer advises. I learn a lot from their play and especially their comments during play. That's the essence.

[@Legatus]

The problem with American BB right now is the tier 10 ship in the end Montana is very underwhelming, it is better to get something in the end for the effort you put in to grinding the line especially at the beginning when you do not have many ships.

[@fuglbird]

@@Legatus You are probably right. The Iowa is a star though. I tried her at the Public Testing Server. The guns are amazing. Maybe I'll never get her. I'm at New Your at the present. Very slow, very boring and very underwhelming.

[@jaywerner8415]

@@fuglbird The nice thing about the US BBs is they are very consistent with their shells and damage. Yeah you got to suffer a bit with the Dreadnaughts till tier 8 when you get the North Carolina (with its SLOW AP shells that he like a truck). The Iowa WAS the fastest BB in the game, and still is WITHOUT gimmicks. Not to mention the 55 caliber main guns vs North Carolinas 45 caliber main guns means the AP sells get their speed back. The Montana is still a good ship, its just 16inch guns are kinda falling by the way side with all the NEW ships that get added into the game. Still 12 16inch shells is Nothing to laugh at, plus their the Super HEAVY AP the US cruisers and BBs get at tier 8 and up, so they PUNCH well above their weight.

[@aristosachaion_]

Montana's a really consistent T10, wym? It's literally just the Iowa, but slightly slower with more armour so angling actually helps, and the same punchy 406s. There's nothing deadlier than a Montana that finds an open flank to work with.

[@american4405]

Honestly, the inability for the Kongo to maneuver easily and her guns extreme long range just encourages players to snipe from the back. Lastly, I really really dislike that citadel hump under turret No.3, which makes closer range engagements a lot dicier. I think the New York helps ingrain a sense of moving with purpose (placement is important, both tactically and strategically) and being capable of a little fist fight here and there. Yeah the NY doesn't have the troll belt armor of the Navada class (Oklahoma), but unlike some of the American Standard "super dreadnoughts" that come after her, the NY does have a decent reload. Her turning radius makes dodging torpedoes easier, and she will teach you that you don't always need to bring all your guns to bear on a target at once. Definitely something many BB players won't shake, even up to tier 10.

[@poopsie117]

There are better BB lines to learn on for a beginner cus her features do encourage some bad behaviour, but once you get a handle of things and come back to the Kongo you’ll realize its very strong for the tier. I hated Kongo and did terribly in her when I first started, switched to the US line and took my time learning all the way up to Montana. Technically came back to Kongo after a long time cus I got Hiei for free, and just absolutely rekt tier 5 mm with her.

[@wtpiv6041]

Veliky is probably the easiest BB to learn on in my experience. But Kongo basically teaches the BB playstyle as it is, not how it should be or was.

[@vtr0104]

I started with the USN as I joined almost right after the CV rework, and heard that the USN ships had good AA, in light of the new CV threat (was I in for a rude awakening or what...). While some of the points you made still stick to this day, it felt very painful for me as a new player to have to deal with the incredibly slow speed. Most matches were over before I got to have any meaningful contribution, so grinding XP on it was a chore. To top it off, since I was new and had not read much about dispersion mechanics, I always tried to compensate my lousy speed by using the Spotter to try and get some shots in (meaning the added range just worsened the dispersion even further). With the double-turrets, it was an absolute horror show, watching shells fly everywhere but the ship you aimed at. And this was on top of being new to the game and therefore not understanding how much lead to give. Heck, even when you do, with the USN, you have to lead even more, since their DDs, Cruisers and BBs all have the same dumb quirk of floating shells that just pause in mid-air, allegedly for better island-camping. In any case, it was insanely frustrating, and moving to the New Mexico and Colorado wasn't much better either. At least the New Mexico had 12 shells to throw at stuff, and therefore better odds of actually landing some on target..... If I had to start over, I'd pick the IJN in heart-beat. Doesn't help that my order for BB lines was USN->KMS->RN. Hell, even the French are better. They might have weird designs, and lower calibre guns, but at least the dispersion's not that horrendous and you don't get as many overpens.

[@SahiPie]

@@vtr0104 what would you say is the top 2 BB lines?

[@vtr0104]

@@SahiPie Honestly, I'd go with the IJN and the French. The IJN has decently balanced ships with above-average accuracy, assuming you aim decently. You'll be rewarded more often than with the Americans and certainly more than with the Germans or Italians With the French you can afford some mistakes as their gimmick at lower tiers is having an absurd amount of guns, followed by fewer guns overall but forward-facing turrets with quad-gun setups. You'll notice I avoided the British, as their play-style encourages positioning, such as flanking, angling or kiting, far less. They have good fire chance, so most people just spam HE at things until those things die.... As an utmost BB experience, the most balanced thing in the game is probably still the North Carolina, but to go through the rest of the line to it is a heck of a commitment to misery.

[@derhesligebonsaibaum]

For T5 BBs, Pyotr is very good as well. Broken as heck and follows the concept of the line (tanky bow in but with a citadel that can be hit).

[@filiphavlicek6804]

Yep agree, Pyotr is an amazing ship which really teaches you angling, since if you show broadside you get blasted, but as long as you stay angled (which is quite easy with the excellent firing angles and relatively fast turret traverse) youre an absolute monster

[@vivekpatel3752]

That's the point.. learning on a broken ship gives them a false notion that they are good players...

[@derhesligebonsaibaum]

@@vivekpatel3752 with all due respect, that is BS. Pyotr gets punished *hard* if you do really stupid things and teaches you exactly how to play the Russian BB line.

[@nimabanaie2171]

@@derhesligebonsaibaum As someone who is moving up the Russian bb line, I agree

[@Fackeldackel]

I agree, Pyotr is broken AF but hillariosly funny. Pyotr gameplay => Pyotr captain: "Bow battery fire!...Advance!...Bow battery fire!....Advance!...Bow battery fire!...Advance!...Bow battery fire!...Angle 5 degree to port, advance!...Bow battery fire!...Advance!" And meanwhile you constantly hear the plong-plong-plong of shattering enemy shells. Pyotr gameplay always reminds me of this Zulu-scene: /watch?v=w3IGok7BUa0

[@LasertechStudios3142]

Furutaka made me fall in love with Japanese CAs. The thing’s standout trait is its armor, which is good enough to shrug off battleship gunfire at its tier. Pair that with 8 inch guns and forgiving torpedo arcs and you have a great ship for learning about heavy cruiser matchups. Fubuki is the quintessential Japanese torpedo destroyer imo. Triple launchers with decent guns is a fine thing to give up for stealth, and really teaches you how to pick engagements.

[@u1sxkn94]

Yeah, the Furry Taco is quick, has an excellent DPM, good torps and doesn't have the glaring citadel that the Omaha has. French and Russian CAs are likewise great once you learn how to kite and spam HE at long ranges, but can likewise be very unforgiving.

[@kevinkohler5431]

like you mentioned in your video, i would love to see a video where you "roughly" explain what each individual line represents in the game for example the german's being in general more tanky, french being all about speed, Japanese love their accuracy etc. would help newer players to find their "playstyle", and after that, maybe a little series going over mid-tier ships, like the kongo, highlighting some facts and help decide if you really wanna grind that line but whatever you do, i really enjoy your content, helps me and others out alot, even if i'm just playing on and off keep up the good work 👍

[@duirun6212]

i absolutely love the amagi, easily one of my favourite BBs especially at tier 8

[@slip6699]

Can't stand it. I do good dmg can't get wins. I play the war hammer version and it's night and day. It has slightly different dispersion I think but the same otherwise.

[@Ace42x]

@@slip6699 The difference between the warhammer and the tech tree amagis is barely tangible IIRC. There's a tiny sigma difference that's too small to notice in any given salvo, at the cost of slightly worse reload; off the top of my head.

[@muzzy5914]

More like this one please for beginners, very helpful. Thanks

[@Admjoh]

@potatoquality you should point out how to properly utilize damage control as well as I think most new players use that instantly and then suffer burning down early every game. Give them some additional survival tips as you move through the lower ranks.

[@evolutionari]

For newer players, you could do a general class&faction information video. You would take only the tech tree ships first, and go class by class in different videos, without getting into too much detail at every nation. For example for BBs you could take all T10 tech tree ones and kind of categorize them. This is a different concept than what you're trying to do here, but I would've liked to see what nation is what, if I were a newb.

[@wtpiv6041]

Kongo was a litmus test of sorts for people in my group. If they hated Kongo there was a strong chance they’d be having a rough time in BBs overall. And if they loved the Fuso and despised the Kongo there was a strong chance they struggled to aim. The IJN BB line does help diagnose issues newer players might be having individually that other lines might not touch on.

[@Ace42x]

Heresy - Amagi's great. Amazing rear angles that can tank all day every day, loads of beefy accurate guns that wallop people all over the place.

[@Fackeldackel]

I think Kongo is too lightly armored to be considered a beginner ship. I'ld recommend the soviet T5. It is ridicolously tanky, allowing newer players to learn not just to aim, but also train their situational awareness and use of the minimap. She doesn't like giving broadsides and has powerfull guns, but her main strenght is in fact her armor. Place her bow towards the enemy and see their shells shatter. Even if newer players struggle to do damage due to lack of aim, Pyotr is still an asset to the team due to her soaking up so much enemy fire as long as played bow towards the enemy. And if an enemy shows broadside to her within about 12km well...Enemy is gone gone.

[@unexplainab1egaming271]

yknow whats a ship that really teaches you to position correctly? the pensacola. this ship really teaches how to be effective in a game and is a great way to prepare for the rest of the des moines line if you master her. i would love to see a pq video about her

[@sillysaili]

for a beginner dd, i'd argue icarus: solid guns, respectable torps, good conceal. it's just overall a nice hybrid dd. long torp reload encourages you to use your torps wisely, short smoke might help newbies learn not to smoke farm. for cruisers, i'd say a konigsberg/nurnberg: no gimmicks, just a kitey light cruiser. it's just that right level of squish that seems more similar to higher tiers IMO (especially the nurnberg, that thing either gets overpenned or citted I swear).

[@orionbukantis6470]

Kongo is one of the best tier 5 battleships, and the best example of how higher tier battleships play. The American battleships are probably easier for new players though, because new players tend to struggle with chronic yolo syndrome. Kongo is more useful for learning skills, American battleships maybe more likely to result in fun.

[@aristosachaion_]

Kongo was one of my favourites to grind through when I first went up the Japanese tree. Sadly I had to sell it along with some others later on as I just wasn't playing it anymore and was short on credits, and the special commander I got specifically for it has been moved over to Yamato, but that ship was an absolute standout in the line, followed closely by Izumo, oddly enough. My only issue with the Kongo is that, like the German BBs, it's one of those ships that's fast enough to get you into trouble, but not fast enough to get you out of it, though at tier 5 you have a bit more leeway because there's not many at that tier that even come close to its top speed, and ranges are a fair bit lower. Putting that together means you can get out of bad situations a lot easier, but it's still a bad mentality to have for an aspiring BB player. My overall winrate is 47% because I chose the Preussen (GK when I started) line to start with, and it instilled a lot of bad habits that I'm still working to get rid of 2000 battles later. I'd probably still recommend the Montana line as a first grind, as you don't get anything fast until tier 8, which itself is a fantastic starting point to learn BB gameplay in the big boy tiers, and are forced to learn good positioning if you want to have any game impact without putting yourself under a spotlight for the entire enemy team. This is probably why playing Colorado, at a time when I already had 3 other tier 10 BB lines completed, felt so comfortable to play. I didn't have any of the things that got me into trouble when playing other lines so I could pick and choose my moments.

[@wtpiv6041]

Good call there. I’ve played a LOT of BBs in my time with the game and found speed to really be a nice factor that can also get you in serious trouble. Georgia being a fine example of this. I’d also say the Montana line is the best for early grinders as it has a little of everything.

[@Crappyfocus]

Tbh I think the Iowa line is probably best, and the ussr bb line. The ijn one doesn't have good consistency between the gunnery and the hulls and rewards sniping, which new players are bad at, and the Japanese vertical dispersion at closer ranges results in missing ships at point blank. The Americans are kinda slow but consistent and get good heals, and the Russians have the consistency of good guns with a pronounced weakness that teaches better bb play in general.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

Nürnberg might be the best T6 cruiser for beginners in my opinion. She has a reasonably fast reload with good penetration that can burn ships quickly, but also has the downsides of cruiser, being vulnerable to overmatching guns

[@flamingmelons6321]

I don’t think open water gunboating is intuitive to new players as range is your friend in those situations (as newbies charge and get dev struck in teir 5) though I don’t see a better alternative

[@robschultz6204]

I’d argue the Konigsberg is the better T5 CL. But the difference is small.

[@duxmacsenna7797]

Burning LOVEE!!

[@siriusczech]

It is hard to pick ONE solid example of all T5 per class. But from my experience I would go this way: T5 DDs: 1) Minekaze - great conceal, good guns, fast reload good torps, nice smokes. It teaches you a lot 2) Mutsuki - if you are all in in torps, go through this to Fubuki. Ain´t no better torps than IJN torps and you learn not to get spotted pretty fast :D 3) Jaguar - fast as hell, good guns, bad concealment. Wanna have pure gunboat style? Go for this one! 4) Acasta - smoke management is pretty nice on this one. Good guns, torps and most obviously - those smokes. Hell yeah it smashes a lot and can run away fast! T5 CAs: 1) Furutaka was my first and pretty good ship on T5. Definitely a good pick and you also start learning that "not everything, that has torps, has to use them in every attack" 2) Konigsberg is a pretty solid CA pick on T5. It has everything and I did have great matches in it recently as I was going through that line 3) Kotovsky as a pure HE spammer is a way to play also. Even that thing can learn you a lot 4) Montecuccoli (ITA) is a great ship and opposite of HE spammer - SAP s golden, though, and as a DD support there is no better ship in a class. T5 BBs: 1) Kongo - your pick - is definitely a good one to start for obvious reasons 2) Pyotr Veliky is also a great pick, up to T7 I had a superior feel above other ships (T8 Vladi meets T10 a lot and the feeling was gone). But it worked great, like NC on T8. 3) Konig (KM BB line) is a good ship to go through, too. More shell type switches here. Dispersion sucks sometimes, but you are tanky and can do a lot. 4) --------- I am not decided if FR or US line should go here. They doesn´t feel very good nor fun at that tier. So nothing here

[@buckhammer5897]

I believe the US bb line is still best for beginning.... the slower ships help to teach you the time management of placing. Pushing and giving way on flanks. Then when you get to the Iowa or even the north carolina you have speed. Also the better damage control and better repair is more forgiving.

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

The US dd's are fun to play at low tiers. The clemson and nicholas are great. clemson is probably considered to be op by most ppl, so that may move it out of the category of good ships to use for learning. idk

[@mrsquatlegend9825]

We can all agree about this - German Battleship line isn't good for beginners!

[@aristosachaion_]

It really isn't, yet so many players, myself included, take it as their first choice. The problem is that their playstyle and design seem deceptively noob-friendly: lots of armour to forgive punishing mistakes, good secondaries and hydro to deal with close range targets, and high speed for easy positioning and repositioning. All this might seem beginner friendly on the surface, but being able to play them well and really play to their strengths relies on higher than average map knowledge and situational awareness.

[@mrsquatlegend9825]

@@aristosachaion_ Exactly. Not good for beginners, especially ships like gneisenau and bismarck which rely on knowledge on kiting, pushing, and even positioning.

[@robertshaver4432]

OK non-DD player: Pan Euro main here! Pan Euros: """Teach Kite fighting!""": Charge forward to within torp range and get them off at 90 degrees, begin firing guns (@ no nearer than 9k) and keep turning to butt tank but only to the maximum angle whereas your front guns can still fire too. Use incoming fire alert, every time it goes off change direction by 10 degrees or so to dodge, I begin with turns to pencil up and then back to front gunnery angles but change it up to actually turn out more broadside about every 2nd or 3rd time so you aren't predictable. It's difficult to change sides because the front guns don't swing fast but you must from time to time for islands or desired direction as per where or what you may be "running into". Run yourself out of gunnery range to go dark (if no one else is spotting you) and then charge forth again (dark), turn 90 degrees again (to 9k range) and get your new torps off and then repeat the above. Kite fighting BBs and Cruisers in open waters is a Pan Euro strength until you get to Oster which is OK at it but start at 10k with Oster and don't use kite fighting too often (in Oster). A kiting trick: using Brakes to fool your opponent: I kite at full speed for the maneuverability but to be additionally unpredictable here's a trick. As your incoming fire alert goes off make your turn to butt tank in full (momentary) reverse then before (or as) you again present your side return to full throttle. This tricks your opponent into thinking that you are hauling ass (via his seen full throttle 15 degree side view) then as he fires again slam on the brakes + rudder to Butt tank (the shells will again overshoot) then repeat to show him (lie to him) again in showing a 15 degree side view at full throttle speeds. (don't stay in reverse to long, just long enough to get yourself butt tanked then back to full throttle for your maneuverability. mix this up to become absolutely unpredictable. Note: you can't use the Brakes technique if he's got spotting planes up, he can't see/determine your speed when you are butt tanking "except" if he's got spotter planes up: Beware! Me: Oland vs Scharnhorst: "guns to guns only" (and in open water) as an example: My first set missed; he became so dodgy that I didn't even bother to go dark and send more. I inflicted 28k to Scharnhorst and he only inflicted 1.1k to me. This is common and very doable and was/is best performed from 10k and out to 12.1k (my max gun range). It took 3 minutes yes but I totally kicked his ass "guns to guns"! It is very important to use the 4 point commander gunnery skill to get Pan Euro guns range out to 12.1k the good shell velocity of Pan Euros is more than ample to reach out that far (against cruisers and BBs). Note: if kite fighting 2 BBs or cruisers send torps at one and shoot at the other, the one that you're not shooting at will think the torps were fired at the ship that you are shooting at. Light fires and change targets at will, Pan Euros have a decent fire chance too. Good luck and keep your distance from capital ships where you are strong with long torps and ample shell velocity, and they struggle or even "can't" hit you for your dodginess. """""Don't try this in Halland""""". """""Important note""""": you can't do this if you are giving a cross fire position to anybody (unless they are clear across the map in which case your incoming fire alert will save/help you). Visby and Oland are best for the above! Do yourself a favor """""Skip Vasteras altogether it totally sucks"""""! Dude Visby handles like a go cart w/speed flag and engine boost: have fun! lol P.S. Kite fighting isn't the only trick that Pan Euros offers but "it's a must learn trick" that I use more often than not! P.S.S. If you want to "see this" click on my icon to get to my You-Tube channel then click on "playlists", click on "World of Warships plays" find: Title: "Oland w/with team placed bounty on my head 103k game": then "in my script" see the prompt to skip to "the mentioned 3 minute Scharnhorst fight". Kite fighting is very powerful and is a needed or "beneficial skill" for Pan Euros. (I didn't use the brakes trick here but it displays kite fighting very well). 27,804 damage given and only 1,158 damage taken. Kill stolen but all good, I was more than glad to see him gone lol. I've got well over 2,000 games in Oland which is my Favorite ship because it performs the above so well and has other unmentioned attributes too. (5.8 conceal being one of many) Good luck and I love your idea here (teach) Robert

[@Dybra18]

Hi, I started 2 weeks ago and I went for...Italian ships...which I got from your videos that are not exactly the easiest, well...I love them. I think, for difficult as they could be, they also are a good school. ;)

[@slip6699]

Good points. Kongo really plays more like a battle crusier than a BB. Playing tier 5-6 cruisers is arguably the harder skill to master, but those skills learned pay off in the long run. Low tier DDs tend to be more overpowered than the BB and CL. It's not until late that the cruisers really become the hunters and DD play gets much more difficult due to the hydro and radar. Mid and late tier BBs can do well as long as you learn how to position and when to push or Kite away. Try out the German and US cruisers for examples of ships that force you to develop basic skills in order to be successful in higher tier.

[@Γιώργος-λ4σ]

A ship I would suggest PQ to revisit again is Budyonny the tier VI russian cruiser I really enjoyed my time with that ship when I was grinding throught that line, It has some excellent range for a cruiser and fast reloading guns with almost impossible firing angles sometimes, basically the definition of a "glass cannon" at it's tier it forces you to play very carefully and a great way for new players to learn the basics of positioning and when to actually fire your guns or not.

[@Zenitchik_130]

Line of Japanese BBs is just solid "classic" battleships line. There everything you want from BB: huge guns, reasonable armour, good speed and they looks fantastic

[@CDvoid_gamez]

I definitely think Omaha is a GREAT ship for teaching cruiser play, a lot of people think its just a crappy ship that you have to go through to get Des Moines or Worcester, but after grinding the whole CA line I went back to the Omaha to start the CL line and replaying that ship for a bit actually helped me re-learn positioning in cruisers and how to take certain opportunities and forces you to learn open water fights FAST! After all this it supprisingly became one of my fav ships to play not because its overpowered but because it requires building a decent bit of cruiser type skill! Overall people are prob gonna disagree with me saying its a bad ship but I truly think it has such a bad rap because people only play it a few times for a grind and never make a REAL attempt to make it work

[@Deeble17]

Kongo was my first T5 overall. I remember really liking it, but I found Kawachi and Myogi before it to be lacking (Kawachi especially, I still consider it the worst ship I've ever played). I have the ARP Haruna (Kongo from the Arp colab) and whenever I need to play low tier with friends new to the game or something, it's my go to. I think it's the consitancy, hard hittingness and speed that make me like it so much. But as a new player, honestly the low tier British BBs are really well rounded ships. I liked them all, and they only really become a bit quirky at T7. If you want the whole line to be a good introduction, the OGs; Japanese and Americans are still the way to go.

[@gothicalpha]

I love this ship, especially because of it's history. Plus it has prem versions in the ARP

[@HobbiesRfun]

My all time favorite BB is the Massachusetts. She's got the big hard hitting 16" American guns, has the great American AA, because she's short, and stubby she's got a pretty tight turning radius for a BB, which comes in handy for dodging torps, and lastly she's got impressive secondary's second only to the German BBs. Of all the ships in my fleet she's the jack of all trades, and she does them well.

[@timkhj]

I enjoyed learning with the American BBs BECAUSE of their slow speed. It FORCED me to learn map awareness, torpedo awareness, and the guns are accurate enough to not be upset when coming over from the cruisers.

[@roys.1889]

I think there's never been a time in the game where learning how to play Battleships has ever been easier. There are so many lines and so many individual ships that are really good to learn from. Off the top of my head I can think of ships like Fuso, Queen Elizabeth, Warspite (premium), Pyotr, Izmail, Novo (premium), Bertagne, Normandy, Koenig, Derfflinger, Bayern, Mackensen, PEF (premium) are all really good ships to learn from.

[@davidtavani8817]

BB: Kongo+Pyotr+Izmail (as already mentioned) CL: Pensacola, Montecuccoli/Trento (Pensacola gives you already a idea, how strong the AP ist gonna be on that line, Italian CL have SAP so you make, given you hit, constantly damage numbers) CA: Dallas+Leander (both of them have compared high DPM, but are also very vulnerable - there will be some teaching moments you wished you didn't turned, because your ship explodes before you realise the shell are coming towards you) DD: Fubuki+Hatsuharu (they are the only one with a managble torpedo range at that Tier) CV: Hosho+Ryujo (Hosho is disgusting strong against equal Tiers, Ryujo is ok for its Tier)

[@jg1093]

Best t6 cruiser is Pensa with AP that devastates lower tiers who dont think the pensa is a concern lol but absolutely a high skill required ship to take advantage -using concealment, map awareness and positioning at all times.

[@colbewells1487]

I ran the Japanese line first just because and man I was super happy I did! There were tons of great BBs in that line!

[@aRchAng3lZz]

The IJN BB tree is good for a beginner - Kongo, Fuso, and Nagato are really good for their tier (Fuso is OP and always a blast to play xD). However, T8 Amagi and T9 Izumo can be a real pain to grind through - Amagi is one of the most troll BBs out there (both in terms of guns and armor) while Izumo has incredibly frustrating guns.

[@Sneddz1]

Pre-Buff Izumo was a horrid experience. Post-buff its certainly not strong but the prize is always the Yama.

[@derhesligebonsaibaum]

@@Sneddz1 Izumo *is* strong. Very strong. Probably best T9 TT BB...

[@padanfain7466]

@@derhesligebonsaibaum I would say the ruski T9, the Soyuz is best at T9. Always feels better than the Kremlin. Japanese prob the best TT to level for your first BB.

[@paddington1670]

IJN is only good if they can aim, the accuracy of the rifles is the only good thing going. RU BB or USN BB are more noob friendly than IJN, but thats just an opinion. Beta player with every T10.

[@aRchAng3lZz]

@@Sneddz1 Yeah, I did not want to go into the pre-buff Izumo nightmares for my own peace of mind xD

[@nlb137]

I started off with the IJN DDs and did really poorly until I started using the USN DDs as well and learned how to gunboat. I think the US DDs might be the best new player DDs because no one's torps are very good at that tier; even the Japanese DDs can *barely* stealth torp (and new players likely won't have Concealment Expert, meaning often an unusably razor-thin margin of .5km) and often don't put enough fish in the water to hit anything unless you're lucky and/or the enemy is sailing fat and happy. The low tier US DDs can't stealth torp, but they have a ton of torps to dump on anything coming towards you and have guns that I think really suit the goals of DDs (notably, staying alive); the long arcs let you island camp when you aren't knife fighting other DDs. I think "gunboat with usable torps" is probably where you want to be with intro DDs, and the US or UK DDs fit that well; I think the edge goes to the US because the smoke is easier to use (the short UK smoke is very different from other smokes, while the US long smoke is just "normal smoke but better) and the short smoke and 'better' gun arcs give you less opportunities to farm gun damage from safety. IMO the short reload on US DD guns also helps counteract the inaccuracy from their flight time unless you're trying to hit another DD at long range; the stream of fire helps you 'walk' your fire onto the target.

[@jorgewilson2397]

I just got into World of Warships, and I appreciate this video. I got Kongo but I was making mistakes already specifically with broadside that gets me killed and as well map positioning. Thank you and subbed. Have a good day/night.

[@Taz_XE076]

I started with the German line and it helped learning flanking and tanking. After that I started the American line which made me aware of not rushing as I survived games more often. Now I finished the Italian line and have found it to be my favorite. Fast enough to flank and force the enemy into killing fields, enough armor to survive in uncomfortable situations, and more consistent damage due to SAP. Rarely play anything else nowadays, especially since buying (blow me) the Marco Polo. 16 inch guns and SAP is OP as fuck even against Legendary ships

[@ViktorShahter]

Actually for beginner Conqueror branch and Vermont branch should be good too. But Vermont is so slow that sometimes better to get some sleep instead of playing. Conqueror is just "hold yourself safe and do damage" what maybe not best practice to win games but good to learn how to aim. And in endgames heal come in handy (only 9 and 10 tier sadly) since you can push and just deny any damage dealed to you by pressing a button and building a new ship in battle (that's how it looks like for me). P.S. Schlieffen not the best first BB because it's the best first DD btw.

[@leemarcus6123]

UK BB line being HE spammers meant it would just teach them to shoot HE at everything as BB, not to mention overreliance on their heal as a burst recovery consumable, which is not the case for most heals out there, not a good takeaway for beginners at all. That said, both USS BB lines are quite good newbie lines as its speed teaches players to plan their moves ahead otherwise they'll suffer from being out of position.

[@ViktorShahter]

@@leemarcus6123 Vermont branch low speed not for teaching you planning moves but to hold you from stupid pushing lol. HE spamming BBs may be not best line to learn the game but 90% of player base not about learning something but about just playing game. In that case British BBs one of best (if not the best) line for potatoes. Just because they're unteachable. That's why I always recommend it. If you able to learn something then it's good too since heal is good but can't heal citadel damage, HE is powerful but you need to give priorities to targets to deal helpful damage. Giving newbie a ship what needs to be controlled in many aspects is awful idea. I remember that times I was total newbie. I always missed something on every ship. Especially DDs where you have so much to pay attention.

[@leemarcus6123]

@@ViktorShahter guess our definition for "good beginner ship" is different then. Your recommendation is for people to just go pew pew and see explosion without exploding the moment the game starts. Mine is to let new players to get better and learn better tactics to survive and bring said knowledge to other ship lines to continue their game. Failure is guaranteed initially but thats all part of learning to be a better player. But like you said, 90% of the playerbase will never learn cuz seeing stuff explode is all they need.

[@ViktorShahter]

@@leemarcus6123 "good beginner ship" is a ship what let you do some pew-pew without accidentally dying. And after that if you fell like it's too boring and you want something more capable to win games then you go for harder to play lines. Conqueror and Vermont giving players easiest tasks: 1) Do damage 2) Survive as long as you can 3) Use pros and hide cons of your ship After mastering this tasks those who want more can move further to ships where you need to deal with much more tasks, decisions and teamplay. Newbie can't just take Kremlin and play good because Kremlin about using isles, reading map, pushing, etc. This ships overweight newbie with too much shit to deal with and you just can't play well because you fail at least in something one. When I see unicums who just "look how easy this ship is because it's good" I'm doing a facepalm because new players just can't repeat before some basic stuff become something like instincts. Only after that other ships would be possible to learn because in battle you will have time to analyze situations and help your team win instead of focusing on more simple things.

[@_Fulgur_]

This ship honestly taught me how to snipe as a BB and also taught me to be patient with my salvos. If I was patient enough i could score devastating blows on unsuspecting ships even dd's.

[@Voygliz]

For DDs, I think British dds are great for learning. Maybe not so great to start with but they're great for learning a lot about playing dd: when to spot, when to smoke to farm, when to fight another dds, use your guns, use your torps, hydro to avoid some mistakes... You're not the best at anything but you can fight with everyone if you learn how to use your weapons. And you can avoid in some way carriers with your smokes xD I learn a lot about playing with those dds. There's nothing I hate more now than to see an IJN destroyer get in the cap and smoke right away losing every spotting and leading to him being killed the moment smoke is over. Also, watching Flambass for DD play is great.

[@thexlonewolf671]

I’m currently grinding up the Japanese BB line, and honestly, Amagi is my favorite so far. It’s fairly reliable, very accurate, and a not-half-bad secondary battery, which surprised me, given none of the prior Japanese BBs had decent secondary guns. It’ll never out brawl a Bismark, but it can definitely hold its own at close range against same tier battleships.

[@Omegawerewolfx]

Kongo is awesome. Very fun. The speed of the ship is key. The speed gives you so much in terms of positioning potential. I have the Kongo and both waifu versions. For cruisers the British light cruisers have heals, smoke, and hydro, the Devonshire has a heal and a hydro as well as good guns. Many tools to use in the British lines. Nurnberg is also good. For torp DDs it's already obvious, the IJN line. Gun botes.....you have options but I think the Italians, while good, are for more experienced players. So you're looking at the French I think. The thing about what are the easiest ships to play and learn from is it needs to be coupled with a profound and direct message about map awareness and positioning. The majority of players are clueless, mindless 40%ers who have exceptionally low survival rates. They have no idea how to read the map (somehow) and no ability to understand their position on the map. I think it that speaks about the level of commitment (or intelligence) of the player base.

[@richardbell7678]

Slow turret traverse, at high tiers? Try the Queen Elizabeth at tier VI. It may have gotten a buff since I ground through it, but there was a time that it had a base 180 time of 72 seconds. While the Amagi is a bit of a slog, it does not seem that bad compared to the UK tier VIII Monarch. A while back, there was an "Arpeggio of Blue Steel" related event. For completing a series of missions you received the entire Kongo class with "Arpeggio of Blue Steel" skins, along with a similar skinned Myoko. Thus, I have the Kongo, ARP Kongo, ARP Hiei, ARP Haruna, and ARP Kirishima.

[@zlpatriot11]

For me, I like the grind of Kongo and her play style. As I am at high tier on the line, I'd love to see a premium Kongo I can get one day (Including the ARP ones), hopefully in a future dockyard or coal ship.

[@SmugCanadian]

If you play Kongo and like it just wait till you get the tier 6 Fuso upgraded, it's like S tier if Kongo was A tier.

[@kelvindam3306]

For DD, I recommend Visby at Tier V. Versatile, fast, fast loading torps and with heals. To me at least, a fun and good ship at T5

[@enimious1]

For light cruisers the FR line (T5-6) might be pretty good but unsure how beginner friendly that is. It teaches you dodging and bating (both rudder and accel with the speed), as well as target acquisition because you have to think about what you need to farm in order to do it effectively, since it's not like the Ger with improved pen and better DPM. Actually the Ger might be better, tbh i don't really know, but those ones punish you way harder so eh.

[@NotTheRookie]

I had such a terrible time grinding the Kongo and Fuso. It felt like every time I fired my guns the shells would try their damndest to miss as much as they could.

[@BSoDexe]

I love Kongo! For dds i suppose Nicholas would be good for beginner, as well as Minekaze. For cruisers Galissoniere and Furutaka would be best imo

[@xyz6106]

Yes! my favourite ship at that tier! Glad you took the time for this.

[@coffeefoot]

Thanks P.Q ! I have been enjoying your content for some time now. I consider you to be a great resource for this game. Keep up the good work !

[@MihaelTurina]

I started grinding the Japanese BB line, but I stopped at the Nagato and moved to cruisers. Nagato is just insanely painful to play and if I'll ever grind out the rest of the line, I'll just research the Amagi for free XP. Kongo is a very well balanced and fun ship to play.

[@foreverpsycotic]

Honestly, my recommendation is to just get every line to t5-t6 and figure it out from there. When I started, I built myself into a corner by going and putting EVERYTHING into the Italian cruisers. I wish I went and played every line up. It gives you the feel of all the different gun types, torpedo types and gives you a good base for santa crates.

[@maelstrom2594]

Been playing a little over a year now mostly BB and cruisers, must say kongo is definitely one of my favourite tier 5 ships. After trying some different lines just to try different play styles i eventually decided that it would be best to simply work all of the tech tree lines to tier 5 or 6. This adds a lot of variety to the game and just allows me to try something completely different when having a bad day.

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

I remember my first BB experience was the tier 3 IJN ship, the Kawaii or whatever. I was kiting away with a cruiser following me, slowly getting closer. It may have been a bot; I don't remember. It was moving in a straight line directly toward my stern and following my path. My ship's dispersion was so bad, that I would only occasionally hit it, even as it got closer and closer. Even at 2 or 3 km the shells from the back guns would fall on the left and right of the cruiser. This experience did not make me excited to continue the line. I think I didn't get the Yamato until 3 years later. Even now, I think I only have 10-20 games in the Yamato. I realize it is a good ship, I just don't like BB's.

[@amzylio]

As a new player, I just randomly picked IJN as my my first nation to grind for each of the surface ship classes back in February. Currently at tier 8 (I know the progress seems slow but that's because I haven't played any matches with flags, camos, or the new bonuses), but IJN ships seem like the most well-balanced with the potential for high impact games but also the potential to be punished hard for mistakes (cries in mogami armor). Overall I feel like I'm very lucky to have picked these lines to grind through first. Definitely gonna enjoy coming back to them even after I'm done.

[@shoukatsukai]

Can agree on everything except the fact that ijn cas have zero carry potential.

[@Lucky11944]

+1 for furutaka as the best t5 CA hands down. An awesome all rounder with decent HE, but it’s still got decent torp angles compared to the later tiers. Feels so good landing a HE salvo against a DD with that thing.

[@swordstoplowshares7604]

Kongo is a solid pick. Everyone has an opinion. I remember when you had a choice between this and New York. Looking forward to your other DD and CA/L picks.

[@gyrene_asea4133]

Good vid, I'm glad you are presenting for some of the mid-low tiers. Useful to many. It would not be amiss to indulge up to 14pts or so for skippers up to VIII.

[@lex3374]

Cant believe the amagi doesnt do it for you, is personally one of my favorite japanese bbs

[@ErebosGR]

The Kongo was my most hated T5 BB. What I would recommend instead would be the Derfflinger or the Cavour. Both of them a lot more flexible than just sitting in the back sniping.

[@Nurg1982]

I like to challenge you to play the amagi again, but this time play it mostly with the rear towards your enemies and use subtle slow to halt like movements in the process. Also slightly angled to the point the front guns are just enough to shoot your target. Just check the armor scheme and you'll know what's up. I'd had solid games in that ship once I realized how to actually play it that way

[@chimpboy12345]

IMO the best BB at tier 5 for beginners is the Konig. Limited range but can extend with spotter plane, faster firing guns but smaller calibre so you learn to aim for weak spots, good secondaries, good AA, not super fast but smallish and manouverable, good armor. I still play it occasionally as my stress relief ship when I'm sick of terrible asia server teams at higher tiers. It was my tier 5 damage record ship at 160k (and 42 aircraft destroyed) before I got Texas in a crate and got 161k in that. But premiums don't count, especially at tier 5 where the Giulio Cesare is the most OP broken premium tier-for-tier in the game. The german BB line doesn't have the weaknesses that the japanese BB line has either in my opinion. Kawachi is the worst tier 3 BB. Myogi is the best tier 4 BB. Kongo and Fuso are ok but a bit average. Nagato is badly power crept at tier 7, its guns seem bad and it eats huge damage from everything that shoots it, even cruisers. Amagi is ok, Izumo is nothing but overpens and bad vertical dispersion. Yamato is a god. In comparison the german line is more consistantly playable at every tier, even the maligned Gneisenau and Freddy. The german ships also play more similarly to each other all the way up the tiers than some nations do, like France, so you can move the same captain into each without respeccing. Up to tier 7 add the standard BB skills to your cap, and then from tier 7 on by which time you probably have 14 skill points either specialise in tank or secondary skills. Simple. Cruiser lines, I'd probably say either french or russian cruisers are best for beginners from tier 6 and up, but their tier 5s are bad. Best tier 5 for beginners is probably Konigsberg or Furutaka. For the record the most *fun* cruiser line for me was US light cruisers, no doubt.

[@historyotaku]

I agree with that Kongo is the best beginner Battleship with her combination of speed and decent guns and armor for the tier. I think another ship that has to mentioned though is North Carolina. She is IMO the best training battleship, punishing bad play and rewarding good play. She has hard hitting and (relatively) consistent guns but you need to lead and predict the target well. She has a very potent heal but only if you position well and don't get citadeled or burned down. Master the North Carolina and you can master any battleship. As for good beginner cruisers. I personally have to reccomend Budyonny. She is just an all round good cruiser with excellent guns, decent armor and HP for the tier. She's very simple to play and master and that's why I think she's such a good beginner cruiser and she's a favorite of mine to this very day. Furutaka is another ship that has to mentioned, this ship was and still is the beast of T5 cruisers with hard hitting guns, very forgiving armor(a rarity among T5 cruisers), and 10 km torps(with the very unique feature for an IJN cruiser of having them mounted on the deck so they can actually fire forwards).

[@vladghitescu9111]

I watched this vid, used some of my free xp to get the ship played it a bunch. A pretty alright ship for a beginner like me. Guns are ok. I don't know how to aim but a got a citadel and some good chunks here and there. It's fast enough to get you out of trouble. The armour is eh and the rudder is slower than my granny. One memorable moment I had in this ship. I brawled 2 destroyers. It was fun doging torps dev striking one of them and killing another. Sadly I died because I thought it could accelerate faster and ate many torps. Good fun ship

[@Tome.exc_]

Im completely with you, yamato line was my first and now im at 2500pr+

[@1LRLRG]

I totally agree, I like it and have a lot of fun playing it as opposed to some of the high tier

[@bazferp]

Was fortunate enough to get a good clan early and on their advice my first bb line was the Japanese and feels good all the way through it.

[@tomriley5790]

Have to go through Myogi to get to Kongo...

[@bengodwin8608]

My ship recommendation would be that you play the Gaede. it may not be a good ship but it plays quite differently from the Z-22, as a lot of what worked in the 22 suddenly doesn’t anymore. Has a hard time stealth torpedoing, hydro has a short range compared to the spotting penalty when firing in smoke, overall feels like a light cruiser compared to other dds.

[@wasewasp282]

I'm a main cruiser player and i think the ships are getting playable at tier 7 with my favorite the schors. the only schip i hope to get up tiered with and wish they placed the schors at tier 8 so i can shoot some tier 10 ships as well. the Lazo is great at this as wel and you can keep the spotter plain up forever if you build in to it. but i prefer the schors for dodging the incoming salvo's. if i have a frustrating day where i have no luck with a good match i go to these ships to let the frustration off and make those tier 9 ships hate me. you know you are hated if they start to prioritize you over the other ships. as i know how to play these ships well i am almost always the priority ship to shoot. they don't care if they lose the game as long as they can sink my ship.

[@jxmai7687]

In the old day, one blind shot from the Kongo can kill a ship in other side of the map just in beginning of the game.

[@RickAllenMedia]

A few points. First of all, you really don't want to push new players to tier 5 too fast. If they hurry up and get Kongo then they lose protected match making. They also have to deal with a lot of carriers and other far better players far too quickly. Instead, I would recommend that they stay at tier 4 and all of your beginner ships should be at tier 4. Tier 5 is mid tier and while it's easy to get too, it's really NOT beginner level. I think you are forgetting what beginner really means. Instead, playing the Kongo is what any bad player should do, stick to mid tiers until they figure out some basics or relearn them. My recommendation for new player to BB's is to stick with the Kaiser. It isn't the slowest, has normal size shells, has basic AP and HE, decent armor and is an all round performer for tier 4. It doesn't have many gimmicks, but it's still solid. Your recommendation for the Kongo isn't good for a new player because it's too fast. It actually doesn't give a good account for how most ships at tier 5 and below play. Instead, the kongo is recommended for more experienced players because they will not get out of position too quickly, which is what happens when a new player plays a fast ship. As well, Kiaser is a good representation of the German BB line until tier 7. Whereas the Kongo is actually NOT a good representation of the Japanese BB's until tier 8. The Fuso and Nagato are far slower than even Kongo is.

[@ilove2playtoo]

Kongo is a good pick. Maybe you could make a video where you compare all tier V battleships?

[@baymax1126]

I think I have ARP Haruna, ARP Kongo, ARP Kirishima, and the violet one... all of which are kongo class BBs... and yes, it has taught me how to properly play BBs.

[@maudrysilvain5905]

For lower tier cruiser I do not know, I'd say something like Devonshire, she's kinda weak overall, needs good marksmanship from the player, since she doesn't have the trollish armor of the Japanese cruisers she's heavily punished for showing flat broadside or going bow in, she needs to be angled from enemy fire to be effective and can be played as an HE spammer from behind an island, having some of the slowest shells around (even slower than Pepsicola) and the AP can be extremely useful since most people will treaty you as yet another HE spammer and will give you broadside more often. if you take penetration damage, so not citadel nor torpedo damage, you have a heal, which is good for new player, allowing them to do mistake here and there. I don't recommend Hawkins mostly because of her gun layout, which is kinda meh at best, you're like a tier 3 Dreadnought, but smaller and weaker For DD there are of course the 2 main branches but being a gunboat player having grinded the 3 lines that are gunboat at that tier (aka not the Harugumo line) I'd recommend once again a British ship, Acasta, she has a couple of strength and weaknesses, first, she's slow and that's both a good and a bad thing, she's slow enough to allow new player to think their course of actions and also punish them from not having a sharp enough analysis of the map. She has also the strength and weakness of not being enough to stealth torp outside of her smoke (we'll get to her smoke very soon), so new player can focus out of their torpedo play and focus more on the gunboat play. Regarding her smoke, she's more beginner-friendly than other DD (like Nicholas for example) by having more charges than other gunboat, making wasting a smoke to dodge a CV isn't more punished than other DD. She also has one strength, also shared by Icarus (who's pretty much a carbon-copy of her, with extra torpedo tubes and the fourth slot for rudder shift mod and the line gimmick of a long duration, short range hydro), she's small and has a great turning radius, unlike Podovoisky, meaning turning to dodge stuff not that hard.

[@AlexFeldstein]

Kongo is a good choice. Pyotr too but my fav at T5 is Derflinger (note I have everything but only restrict here to tree ships). For cruisers you should explain the difference between CL and CA. My choices to teach T5 are Furutaka/Exeter and Königsberg/Emerald. For DDs I would recommend they try Nicholas/Mutsuki as two solid choices to learn them.

[@glock17games]

pretty much both the IJN BBs and Cruiser line stay fairly consistent from tier V to X. And the DDs aswell to a bit lesser extent. The Japanese trees is easy to get into, if you like the tier Vs, you probably will like the X aswell. And the nation as a whole has also for the most part kepts its specific traits, beeing no gimmick but high alfa strikes.

[@martijneerland7023]

Podvoisky and gnevny are amazing low tier dds. They are perfect for learning the fast paced gunboat style dd gameplay. Not only a good prep for the russian dd line but also the high tier french dds. When effective in these low tier ships not much can stop you from being efffective in a kleber or khaba as well. Well there is always your t10 or t11 CV funpolice.

[@Rakee007SL]

Thank you for the doing with low captain, could you please do a video on Konig or New York

[@phud78]

Hey PQ, I think the IJN cruiser line would be a great beginner tech tree line to showcase, no real lemons, and it rewards good kiting and awareness. Additionally, you will be appropriately punished for things like sailing in a straight line and pushing up too aggressively. For DDs, I hear that the US or RN DDs are a good start since they strike a good balance between gunboat and torpboat gameplay. When I first started playing I heard alot about secondaries, so my first BB line was the German BBs, but I would NEVER recommend that in hindsight, lol. Good video though, great to educate this playerbase.

[@jaywerner8415]

Interestingly, Kongo has 50mm Central DECK armor, think about that for a second. Another good tier 5 battleship is the pyter....something in Soviet. the Russian tier 5 with bow and stern armor so thick even Yamato can't pen that THICCNESS, just don't show your broadside and your fine. Personally id say if your willing to sit though the DREADNAUGHTS, the US BB line is a good first line, it teaches you Angling and to be patient (since your stuck with 21 knots till tier 8), Then you get the North Carolina and learn the ways of SUPER HEAVY AMERICAN BB SHELLS! Then Iowa and Montana, which dispite what people may say otherwise ARE STILL GOOD, its just their just the North Carolina with longer barrels.

[@apurwaasuramana5202]

Leander and Fiji where preaty fun light cruisers to play through

[@jaysonmarley284]

Kongo is a great ship, even after all these years. The line deserves a model upgrade desperately though

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Can confirm, I actually bought back my Kongo and love to take it out for -sealclubbing- fun.

[@Frozone87ZA]

With the way the meta currently sits the IJN BB line is a very good first tree - I have all techline T10 BB's except Schlieffen. Kongo is a standout at T5 but going up the line from there no ship is bad overall, the accurate large and long range guns do help with a lot of the drawbacks. T6 Fuso is a step down from Kongo - drastically slower but more guns. T7 Nagato is ok and has a better than average reload for its tier. T8 Amagi is another gem - 10 410mm guns at T8 is the biggest broadside at that tier (I think). Fast, rudder shift acceptable, armour is ok. Guns are what make this ship. T9 Izumo is just weird but again the guns are good and its generally tanky due to the beastly deck armour for HE spam. Guns are fewer than Amagi but feel far more accurate. T10 Yamato - nothing much to say here except that anyone playing BB's should get this ship. Overmatch is powerful, range, accuracy, armour is decent (mind the cheek), fast enough. Just an all round beast.

[@asdsafasf3]

the tier 8 soviet BB is a BB among BBs who does being a BB the most BBiest

[@bosunbones.8815]

Kongo for a long time was my most played ship. With ARP kongo she's still probably my most played BB overall. Love Kongo!

[@perretquentin313]

Same xD

[@newcomerj3095]

I always recommend newer players start from Japanese or US battleships. Not because they are strong or easy to play, because those lines teach you how to play battleships well. Not sitting on that back shooting HE, not full rush in and die, and no showing broadside and be fine.

[@anonymous8827]

Got Kungo its OK the tier 4 German battleship is good too but DD is another experience you need to learn start with tier 2 DDs

[@MasterTRL]

I´m new to this game and I whole heartedly agree that lvl 5 is when the game changes. The grind to 4 was not that hard and I had a fairly easy time making a difference, surviving and winning battles. Come lvl 5 though, I haven´t won a single battle so far! The whole battle suddenly changes. Suddenly players employ strategies that were just nonexistent before. How come though? I din´t get that much better, why did others?

[@TacticalBeard]

Yes play more mid tier ships. Even after 7 years of this game and playing high tier ships in ranked etc all day i always have the most fun in that mid tier area tier 5-7 is a blast

[@risu028]

mutsuki is pretty fun for tier 6 DDs. it can still compete with tier 8 decently in my opinion.

[@thebudgieadmiral5140]

Minekaze/Mutsuki are good T5 DDs. I first learned island camping on Phoenix/Omaha, though I did play out Furutaka before, also a good boat. I dislike Kongou to this day, the guns are too unreliable for me. I loved Fusou though.

[@steeltrap3800]

I was expecting Fuso, lol. Otherwise, bit surprised it wasn't the RN BB line as their brainless, "no understanding required" HE and good concealment make them pretty newb friendly.