The Black Widow of Croydon: the Great Poisoning Mystery of 1929 by Mark John Maguire

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[@angelpjc]

Nice! 😊 Idk how I missed this on your information page.

[@danielwebster5748]

Mini criminal experts will say if you have a mountain of circumstantial evidence it becomes evidence.

[@chrysparker300]

Im both a retired criminal attorney and a working medical forensic specialist. This show is absolutely fantastic and tickles my fancy in both areas of interest. I listen to it nightly... never mind the resulting nightmares....its addictive!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

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[@JTA1961]

dead-end job..

[@devong7124]

My Brothers got cirrhosis of the liver. He didn't drink he was very careful about what he ate, he took vitamins, worked at being healthy, never smoked( couldn't be around smoke, made him sick). and when he went to the doctor the first time he was full of arsenic !!!!. That was after his wife that had left him returned and she had been hiding money for a long time and he was left broke and he wasn't aware of it. She drove a wedge between his family and sisters his friends his children. She never ate the same thing he did but she always made sure she did all the cooking. I'd say she got away with murder. People that suspected or afraid to say anything. I'm just waiting on the day that God punishes her cuz she sure pretends to be a big Christian and she is nothing but a liar and troublemaker , a murderer, she is fake. Her daughter was in on it. They are one time were making plans to move to another State. The way her Daughter acted when she came to the house, too strange. She pretended she wasn't aware He had passed, but i heard a short phone call, that's the reason she come to the house. Just didn't expect me to be there. She is blank, ( like she couldn't face me), runs back to their bedroom. Her mother says, she needs time for herself. I walked back there anyway, she was not upset. Just sitting there. She had no love for my brother that treated her like a daughter. She showed no emotions at the funeral, except laughing when leaving. She pretended to get what she wanted. They really knows how to play people. I had gotten sick and went to stay with them and when I ate her soup I got violently sick like I've never been in my life, I had just left the hospital and just found out I had an aneurysm. I regret to this day I didn't go back to the hospital !!!. I can see the look of fear in her eyes when I was so sick after eating her soup. My brother would be so sick but right before he would go to a doctor's visit all the sudden he's feeling better then after the doctors visit he gets sick again. I told him he needed to go to the doctor when he got sick I don't care if he just went because that's when he'd get sick again. No doubt she got everything his children didn't get anything she was his second wife. No one wanted anything except the truth.!! ! That makes two that got away with murder.!!! What does one do?

[@code-52]

He's the best!

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

I've a weird skillset, general nurse, psychiatric nurse, theatre nurse and first resoponder. Retired and worked as a coroner's officer in Bucks.

[@gailjarvis2592]

Like Marie Hilley, I don't think we'll ever know how many people this monster killed. She could have continued well into her old age. - I want to also comment how delightful it is to listen to a narration that is moderate in pace, beautifully composed and so elegantly spoken. - And thank you, no loud, syncopated "music"/noise in the background.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Gail!

[@blorac9869]

SUPERB! Terrible crime though!

[@barbaralamson7450]

@@blorac9869 Indeed.

[@reginanethery1389]

Lvs as

[@dan4lau]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Want to agree whole-heartedly with Gail. I don't always agree with the conclusions you draw, but you are without doubt one of the best narrators I've come across in ages. Your productions outshine almost any documentary that I've seen that's been produced in the last... oh 20 years!

[@antonfarquar8799]

One of the reasons I find your stories so gripping is that I was an insurance claims investigator for about ten years - there is no shortage of psychopaths and the Mrs. Duffs , whether male or female , of this world are very dangerous indeed - devoid of conscience or empathy and chock full of hubris they generally get caught out of shear arrogance.

[@WeAreNotAmused]

Very succinctly stated I am not in the field yet I am still apparently aware of the fact I couldn't agree more If you have no. Misgivings in regards to taking someone's life is quite a disturbance in the cycle of life and death thank God for the hard workers who dedicate themselves to the discovery I always am fascinated by anything about the development of technological advancements through historical society and moreover the advancement of forensics it's a. Curiosity that never fails to pique my interest

[@WeAreNotAmused]

Yes a dangerous thing indeed. When the hubrically subdued are about to be crushed beneath the elaborate house of cards constructed in a blindened Rush in all directions around the person who is then literally hemmed in and thus the house of cards becomes a prison of their own charter and of their own making

[@antonfarquar8799]

@@WeAreNotAmused on target !!!

[@Carolinel673]

It’s one thing staging an INSURANCE CLAIM hmm 🤔 but murder it’s a DEFINITE NO .

[@jaijai5250]

Thank goodness for that. I’m so pleased to hear that they get caught.

[@cazza7034]

I seriously can not get enough of these stories from you. I walk around the house with earplugs listening and at bedtime. Thank you 🙏

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

That's wonderful - thank you!

[@JTA1961]

At deadtime...

[@laurenpierce-ellis186]

I especially liked him at night when it's time for bed

[@CSmart-ln1qm]

In listening to this episode several times, I'm forced to conclude your research and analysis of this case are incomparable. These combined with your voice, manner of presentation, and command of the English language make this case and the others a joy to listen to during the pandemic. I indeed hope the BBC notices you.

[@jaijai5250]

Please no! I really hope Mark doesn’t go to the BBC. I made then decision to cancel the tv tax three years ago, and have no regrets. I’m so glad I can support Mark by buying his books, and subscribing to his channels.

[@talmadge1926]

The more episodes one hears the more flabbergasted one becomes at the bungling coroners court. Inept and predjudiced judges. Fumbling unqualified jurys. And the prevaling notion that "the gentler sex" were incapabable of such premeditated horrors. A chilling tale. Well paced and well told. Congratulations again!!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

I agree - many thanks!

[@MsVanorak]

I'm not so sure it was ineqtitude but am more inclined to think it is an early, brazen disqlay of corruqtion in the ranks. Her Father was a Barrister after all.

[@grantjohnston5817]

The gentler sex???

[@dan4lau]

I have to say that I'm not sure how much confidence I have in the jury system. Yes in theory it's good not to have that decision in just one person's hands, but then when you've twelve people almost plucked off the street, so prone to being sort of played by lawyers, or influenced by emotions rather than facts I really don't think I'd like much to trust my fate to one. Funny that since we're talking about cases where people got away with it.

[@WeAreNotAmused]

Oh yes absolutely I've always felt as though because there weren't many women murderers certainly is not dispositive in regards to the point of fact that I have long believed that the majority of. Husbands who died by drunkenly falling down the stairs could have had a touch of assistance off their mortal coil. And also historically the fact that for ages police officers were all men I needn't go it any further as to the obvious implications of such

[@jonathanriley1107]

The empathy and humanity with which you treat the players in these tales is beautiful. You remind us that each actor in the drama is a human being with whose emotions we can sympathize, even if their actions we condemn.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Jonathan - so glad you appreciate that!

[@jocarruthers5957]

I can’t begin to tell you how much I enjoy these videos, Mark. You have the perfect voice for story telling and the scripts are brilliant. Thank you for all your hard work!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Jo! I am delighted you like them - it makes them worth doing!

[@arrienl6372]

I couldn't agree more :)

[@sevierhere]

Hi @@arrienl6372 I agree :) You may also enjoy Obsolete Oddity.

[@arrienl6372]

@@sevierhere hello :), thank you, I will take a look.

[@loritracy1385]

@@sevierhere - I was thinking the same. Oddie's channel is wonderful & I can't recommend it enough. The same gift for transfixing & taking you to other times & places. And another magical voice.

[@andrewwarmington]

True crime researcher here: These accounts are all terrific. Intelligent, well narrated, no plinky-plink music, no gimmickry, just classic story telling. I wish a few more were like this.

[@feelingbetternaturally1099]

It was far easier to get away with murder without forensics. Thank you for a fabulously well told story.

[@MelanieMaguire]

Brilliant! Every thought I had during the story you brought up and covered at a later date - munchausen by proxy, starting with the cat etc. No stone unturned! Very thorough. Beautifully narrated - I really enjoyed it!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks Mel! I spent a lot of time on this one researching every aspect I could find. It is a complex matter as the Metropolitan Police files at the National Archives show. I was surprised to find that no-one seems to have suggested Munchausen's by proxy as a prime motive - although this was understandable in 1929, when this phenomenon was unknown. I am quite convinced that Grace had this condition and it was a major motivation in her crimes.

[@MelanieMaguire]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Yes I agree! also that Violet suspected Grace of killing Vera and poisoning herself. Saying that her medicine was poisoned is an odd thing to assume otherwise - it would be more apt to say "I have gastric flu like Vera"... it's also telling that everyone who knew her thought she did it. Great story. Looking forward to the next one! :)

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

@@MelanieMaguire Indeed, Mel! Thanks - the next one has been written and I hope to have it recorded etc by next week.

[@MelanieMaguire]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Excellent!

[@creolelady182]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Munchausen's by Proxy? I fail to see the connection. Grace was not looking for attention,she wanted the money. All you have to do is look at her lifestyle after the fact.

[@WeAreNotAmused]

There is something relaxing and comforting about listening to the host. Speak to the matter Almost like being warm and dry inside the house during a wicked storm. I could listen all day and never lose my focus

[@E-Kat]

Oh, no, and the psychopaths all around us! It makes me scared, realising that a perfectly unassuming people could be psychopathic murderers. Stay safe. 😊❤

[@lisagghg630]

I stumbled on these and are rationing them, as they help me thru my dialysis treatments! So absorbing and yet the narration often relaxes me to sleep and that's a huge bonus...I simply rewind later. I've recommended to everyone at the clinic! Thank you!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Ah that is very sweet of you indeed! Thank you for that - I am also sorry to hear that you have to have dialysis treatment. Take care.

[@CissyBrazil]

I want to thank you for telling of these stories. I cannot imagine the research you do but it’s very appreciated. And, writing it too. Thank you!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Cissy - your comment is very much appreciated also!

[@spencerburrows6260]

Superbly made and highly addictive stories

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks, Spencer

[@NecroLiquor.]

Absolutely! I love his voice and class. I also love that he tells the details in a story line dialect. I can no longer what the drama series that go into a hyper-drama mode.

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Totally agree with you (about this brilliant show) but seriously can't agree with your football tastes obviously everyone knows the best team is Millwall... LoL 😂.

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Thé perfect voice and stories to fall asleep to! And to replay the next day to know how they finished of course.😊❤️

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you!

[@Fauntleroy.]

Your work is absolutely hypnotic. Each episode has me completely engrossed. Truth truly is stranger than fiction. I hope this channel blows up because your work warrants it.

[@michaelflowers5712]

Thank-You for no commercial interruption's Mark! It really does make for excellent listening!

[@clivebrewer2508]

Excellently done, there's something cathartic about having a plausible, confident solution to these awful unsolved crimes. This and the George Storrs videos are the best of the series.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Clive - it's nice to have that kind of feedback. GHS was one of my favourites to research too.

[@Scent_Library]

Well done! I found your channel two days ago and I have been transfixed since. It’s so refreshing to watch a true crime channel that shares cases from bygone period. Most true crime channels cover the same modern cases that anyone of us can easily research. These are not only interesting cases that have been researched and presented wonderfully, they illuminate a culture, standards and a justice system unfamiliar to us now. Truly fascinating!

[@LordVikingLive]

She tested it out on the cat first. Typical thing for poisoners to do.

[@Kyleinasailing]

That was very interesting. Eighteen years seperated my parents and the family fortune went up in smoke with the Lloyds insurance market debacle. I think my mum wanted to do the same, but of course didn't. She died three months ago aged 94. She was a wonderful partner for my difficult father, bless her.

[@sandic3892]

I'm so glad to see your channel is growing, as it should. I'm sure anyone who watches will be hooked,like me! Thank you for all the work you put into these!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you so much, Sandi - I am gratified that it has proved a success, which has been a great surprise to me, because I have thought it might appeal to only a few aficionados of the genre!

[@renee1961]

Hello, Mark! I hope you're doing great! Thank You!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you too!

[@billding7073]

You had me at "inexorably" and "impecunious." A truly absorbing, well produced tale.

[@msmongooseable]

I'm being impecunious at this very moment!

[@daisymoonmccool8769]

Ditto

[@slycopp]

Bbl

[@ktcooki276]

Bugg*r!! I'm so very annoyed at myself that not only do I not know the meaning of the word IMPEC...I've never even HEARD the word before!! God job this is synonymous "lol"!! More frustratingly; I know have to pause the video to check the dictionary!!! Damn you impecunious vocab-rich commenters!😂xx

[@ktcooki276]

God, I mean ANONYMOUS not SYNONYMOUS!!! Auto-correct: honest!!

[@kitten6062]

You have the perfect voice for these broadcasts, wonderful

[@maramarxx2431]

I like narrators, but theres just a few remaining. If You want the real whole story, the facts

[@normamoore7024]

The care taken with the details in these episodes is most remarkable. You, Sir, are a professional. I am addicted! Thank you so very much. Keep them coming please!❤

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Norma - I'm delighted you like them!

[@cormachayes6649]

A very sad and quite horrific story ; even young John gets killed tragically in 1940 . A great presentation by Mark Maguire but , may all the unfortunate victims and their relatives rest in peace , amen !

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Cormac - yes, as you say, quite a tragic family...

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This narrator's voice is magical✨✨

[@howardjdownes]

Well-disguised Luverpudlian accent (I ought know !)

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@@howardjdownes I never would of picked that up.. thanks...my mum in law had a non-traditional Liverpool accent too (she was well spoken too...rather posh 😄) but I still didn't pick it up....so thanks ✌️

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Shea Shea sounds a bit like “Carson “ re Downton abbey

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Shea, your comment is precisely what I have been thinking!

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[@carolgriffin8971]

Please keep the story's coming i really love listening to them i suffer from bad headache and listening to you reading i fine my headache gets better thank you

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Sorry to hear that, Carol, but glad they help in some way. Take care.

[@flintdacat7836]

Another impeccable upload, a joy to listen to, thank you. Grace was clearly a busy lady on the murder front, including taking the life of the woman who brought her into the world, sheesh! Grace Duff a rotten to the core human being.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Many thanks, Flint

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[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you for the compliment and sorry about your sleep!

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I concur with your comments, outstanding and well done. I am very pleased with myself for stumbling upon your channel.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

I'm pleased you did - and thank you, Rusty!

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These are excellent presentations. I really enjoy them.

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Wonderful, just what I've been looking for a long time, well written and produced documentaries. And your voice is so perfect for the narration as well. Congratulations on a magnificent channel and thank you for all the hard work that goes in to research and producing such wonderful historical content.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Stuart - it really makes it worthwhile when I read a comment like yours!

[@fatalisticbunny]

Superb writing and presentation. I was intensely following along with the story.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Glad you enjoyed it - thank you!

[@annebee7]

Just come across your channel...and I’m hooked ..so professionally produced well done 👏👏👏👏

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Annie!

[@priscillawatson7049]

nobody commits suicide with arsenic...too painful! excellent narrator voice.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Priscilla!

[@fizzao1342]

The Duc de Praslin killed himself with arsenic in August 1847 after brutally slaughtering his wife Fanny.

[@didarden]

Violet was telling them Grace murdered her when she said "my medicine poisoned me".

[@didarden]

@Denis Franks what aboute all the men that poison? I dont think its a gender thing.

[@FionaNici-jq7mz]

@Denis Franks In the past women used poison because of its accessibility, the higher chance of getting away with it. Also the fact that they were usually less strong physically. Yes cowardly, similarly as cowardly as the man who assaults and strangles a woman or beats his wife to death.

[@sammyvaghela3801]

One of the most pro channels on KZbin. I really love your videos. Great narration and brilliantly written . Thank you 😍😍

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Sammy - I am so glad you like it. :)

[@GenghisCohen257]

I binge so hard on MJM's stories that I forget to feed or clean myself.

[@ScottishLeo]

😂

[@WD-jt8rl]

Thank You for your extensive research & intelligent presentation. Your logical conclusions speak to days when common sense was more present in public consciousness.

[@susanalvarez8623]

I agree, I could listen to his voice 24/7. These histories are fascinating. Thank you for sharing them with us. .

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Glad you enjoyed it - thanks Susan!

[@janetcw9808]

AHA!!! A posh version of Mary Ann Cotton. In my opinion, Grace didn't lose children, she dispatched them. Your narration is perfect, respectful, non salacious, great volume and pace. Poor old frightened lady that was being persecuted 😔 - and everyone else - What A Monster. Good wishes to you, all you love and followers Worldwide. Blessed Be Xxx 🙏🏼 ❤️ 🗺️ 🍀 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@sandrabradstreet]

How perfectly delightful it is to listen to your programmes! Thank you so much ❤️

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Sandra - you are very kind indeed!

[@gratefulobserver7742]

These are great to listen to whilst falling asleep. Just pick up again the next night! Good narration too. Thank you!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Glad you like them!

[@susiefoxy8130]

Really great to hear these historic murder mysteries. Found this channel overnight while not being able to sleep. Thanks!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Susie!

[@susiefoxy8130]

Can you do the Adelaide Bartlett case and the Rattanbury case...i think they were solved cases but you would do an excellent case history of them both im sure!

[@lucyflorey9152]

As someone who cares about proper grammar and diction, these stories are a pleasure.

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Fast becoming a fading craft. An art to know and use concise words.

[@casparcoaster1936]

I agree, milenials massacre English everywhere. My greatest dissappointment w/21 century English is the adverbs! They use them endlessly... oops.

[@gigig2492]

Michael Zimmerman I totally agree

[@lonestar1637]

Lucy, they truly are.

[@davidjones-tz8bs]

Actually the voice reminds me of a vicar giving a sermon, precise and inflection in the correct place, suitable points at which to pause for a millisecond et very good

[@creolelady182]

Police suspected everyone who had a money motive but Grace kept her mouth shut and took the secret to the grave. Great case. Thank You Mr. McGuire. Let this case be a lesson to the human animal. When the psyche is pushed in the corner, the evil comes out

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks - a frustrating case for Inspector Hedges of Croydon CID. He retired soon after this, but there is a sense in the police files of how hard he worked to try to gather sufficient evidence against Grave Duff. He failed and certainly followed Grace Duff's movements and actions for some time after the case - but to no avail. He did hear (from William Fearnley-Whittingstall) that she was living on the South coast and had run through all the money she had inherited from her mother and sister! He also learned that she had benefited from another bequest!

[@bozm9961]

It's like I am in the same room with the narrator, spellbound and absorbed, so warm is this voice and such eloquence .

[@LeoPaulHelmar]

Sweet! Happy to see a new upload. Love your voice and the channel

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Leo - I'm delighted you liked it!

[@sandrabradstreet]

Another smashing narrative! Thank you for this programme my friend

[@cathcoll7961]

Being legally blind, since I have found your stories, I have found a way to while away hours while I crochet. Thank you Mark.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Cath - yes, they can be fully understood without the images, which is fortunate. I'm so glad they are interesting to you.

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[@mauricedavis8261]

Isn't he just the best!!!👍👌👏😷

[@gwinniboots]

I was crocheting too!

[@mauricedavis8261]

@@charliesmith_ his presentation is and style are golden, like his voice!!!🙏👍👻

[@shirleycust3676]

First time here, really enjoyed these stories, well done x

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Shirley - I'm glad they met with your approval!

[@tapsars7911]

Grace was the common factor . It is obvious her's was the hand behind all the poisonings .

[@blaise6652]

Julian Fellowes covered these Croydon poisonings and made a very compelling case against a different individual..won’t say which, as its worth a watch in its own right.

[@chuckh5999]

Now mum take your medicine. Yes Grace my dear. See what happened to Vera and Edmund. They didn't.

[@liamwright3287]

You’re fantastic at this.Very much enjoying your series of narrations. Thank you

[@Srulio]

BTW I appreciate your line drawings. Very expressive!

[@CyndiWallaceMurphy]

Mark, I forgot to ask you about your interest in crime? You have a poetic way with your interpretation and presentation of the crime and the facts of the case. You delve into each case using what some detectives lack, and that’s what I phrase as a psychological sense. Your ability to place yourself in the shoes of all persons that could be the killer is very interesting because when you are on the outside looking in and have very few facts, it’s necessary to be inside the crime and the minds, and the daily life of the people who knew the victim so that you can get information and begin the elimination process. Mark, you would have made an amazing criminal solicitor. Your summations keep me hanging onto your every word as you are precise, commanding, thorough, and eloquently so.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

You're very kind, Cyndi - I have always had a great interest in these old murders, in particular, but only in recent years begun to research them from first sources myself, wherever that is possible. I suppose it's a desire to satisfy myself as to the truth! Thank you for your kind words.

[@CyndiWallaceMurphy]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder thank you for your response.

[@tedlongton1751]

Great to see a new one - I've been waiting for this! Excellent quality research and telling of this fascinating story. Thanks for the upload.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Many thanks, Ted. It is a fascinating story, I agree, and the research for it has consumed all my time in the past 2 months - I am glad you enjoyed it!

[@franr988]

So very glad I found your channel. I’ve only watched 2 videos so far, but found them so well done. I see a binge watch in the near future.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Frances - I'm delighted you like them!

[@sarasandrasmith]

I just found this channel, but I am already loving it!! Great job on your narrations of these cases!! Excellent research and visuals!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks Carolyn - I'm pleased you like it!

[@pauljones2255]

Very good, Mark. Riveting stuff. I love the way you get into the minds of the suspects.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Paul - I think it's what interests me most in these strange situations: what was in the minds of the killers as they came to the point of committing the ultimate crime...

[@belladamex767]

I’m really enjoying your videos, very well researched, narrated and put together, well done old chap!!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, BellaDame - you are very kind to say so!

[@lonestar1637]

Love your storytelling. It is becoming a lost art. But you sir, have it. Thank you!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Kelly!

[@OLDCHEMIST1]

She ended up living quite close to me. I could even have seen her when I was a child. She sounds as though she was more a psychopath, taking pleasure from killing animals and people. I think most such murderers are, it would take a very odd person to commit a premeditated murder. Thanks for it, fascinating and also repellent.

[@gailjarvis2592]

Tempting to ask you to be more forthcoming since you state that she "ended up living quite close to me."

[@OLDCHEMIST1]

@@gailjarvis2592 ​ Ha! Ha! She would have been have been a bit old for me.! I was only a teenager I think when she died. Seaford, at the time was a very wild town. The Sea literally used to wash up the roads near the beach and you could end up being hit by stones from the beach. It's much quieter now as they put millions of tons of stones on the beach to stop coastal erosion. Shame!

[@helen-vb6kw]

I know now why I didn't like South Park Hill....I always thought it was creepy having lived in Park Hill years ago...

[@Foxiepawstotti]

I agree that it sounds more psychopathic than a warped bid for attention. Its more cold and calculated and the hurting and killing animals when younger is a huge tell! Munchhausens by Proxy is when they prolong illnesses in their children or whoever and yes, they do invent but the prolongment in order to squeeze as much reflected attention out of each situation or illness is key. Killing your children or victims is pretty self defeating as the long drawn out nature of illness is what drives them.

[@barrydysert2974]

This was better this time through than it was three years ago. By that i mean rewatching reinforced the excellent lessons. You have a marvelous mind !:-)

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

You are far too generous, Barry - but thank you!

[@derby1884]

"The Riddle of Birdhurst Rise" by Richard Whittington-Egan is an excellent book on the case. Especially the final chapter when he comes face-to-face with Grace Duff. An old lady by then but very menacing!

[@vleldaddio210]

Bet that murdering Hag was SO ready to kill HIM and Watch him SQUIRM AND WRITHER IN DEATHS GRIP ! COVFEFE

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

I worked at Broadmoor, met a few of the more famous ones,all utterly reppellent. A few genuine nuts, but most were lights on, no one in.

[@j.j.w.6431]

You got the best Mystery videos over the other KZbinrs' crime mysteries. Your show should be on TV, so that it can reach a wider audience.

[@marylynnkotis7246]

I love these old mysteries, & the old photos.

[@ashaleewai8735]

These tales are ever so brilliant. I thank you once again.

[@sabrehill1]

As soon as it was intimated she probably killed her children then this was on another level. A true monster.

[@MISFITaddict]

this was fascinating, and as usual your narration, research, and visuals are perfection. ! Thank you so much for uploading them. So glad I have found your channel

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, again, Jessica - it is my pleasure!

[@PeriLyons123]

Sir Julian Fellowes asserts, in “A Most Mysterious Murder”, that he thinks Brother Tom did it. The preternaturally self-impressed Sir Julian, seems to have lost the plot a bit here.. in fact, I am shocked that Grace’s jury didn’t echo the jury in “The Producers”, who declared:”We find the defendant INCREDIBLY GUILTY.”

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Yes, I know Julian arrived at that conclusion, Peri - I think his wife and son disagreed with him in this, though!

[@cdeford]

Fellowes' program is heavily dramatized. Is there proof Tom was there when Edmund came back from fishing? Was the beer in bottles in the way shown? If so, how would Tom know which bottle to put the arsenic in? I found the program unconvincing.

[@tanithkershaw]

I think she killed the cat the children and the lodger...all of them...

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Yes, so do I - very difficult to prove, but a very good chance of it.

[@savantianprince]

Grace Duff?

[@gtw4546]

@@savantianprince Yes - listen from about 44:26.

[@chickpstranded6714]

Thank you very much l. I am thoroughly enjoying your channel and you’re making my life under Covid restrictions much, much better. Thank you

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Wonderful! Thank you, Maria.

[@Gribbo9999]

Thank you Mark. Always enjoyable and so well presented. As a lad from Northwest England, I love to try to hear that very faint hint of Liverpool or thereabouts in your elocution. Keep them coming please!

[@maggieread5902]

Me too am new just this minute after coming across it while browsing.. These sort of story's I luv and find fascinating and also its history ... You tell the tale well and I hope there's more,more, and lots more....thank you so much... Maggie Schmidt Read. Xxx Great Britain...

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Maggie!

[@daviddunney6114]

My first video to watch from this channel. First class! well written and beautifully narrated. I'll be looking for more like this. a definite thumbs up from me.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, David!

[@williamnewell5157]

The whole series by Mark John Mcguire is superb Espcially his latest The Murder of King George V A revelation and a real eye opener for anyone interested in British History.Thank you John More please!!!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, William!

[@landreauferris1215]

One of the best sites I've seen.Actual mellow,intelligent commentary.NO loud intros or abrasive noises!

[@coloringwithd]

This one took so many turns it became a circle. Riveting story. Thank you.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

You're very welcome

[@aliceemlytton9297]

Mark - excellent narration, editing, and, professionalism. If your not working for a media outlet/tv, your certainly should be. Thanx 4 ur uploads!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much, Alice - you are most kind to say so!

[@oxcart4172]

That was excellent! So well done! U have another subscriber, sir!

[@amandav6217]

Another top notch video. Thanks so much 😊

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you, Amanda - you are very kind!

[@MsDormy]

Interestingly, there’s a Julian Fellowes drama of this case, where he believes Tom ‘did it’, but the evidence Mark gives us is pretty conclusive for Grace.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you - I believe Julian's wife and son favoured Grace Duff also! I guess we all have our own opinions!

[@bunnymad5049]

I just watched it and I'm with Julian. lol.

[@erinsaxton83]

I was about to comment on the same thing until I saw this, I have to say I also agree with Julian, I think her brother set her up good

[@xpinkpixiedollx]

@@erinsaxton83 yeah I also agree that Grace's brother set her up good and it was him you aren't alone there :) xx

[@devong7124]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder maybe it was Julian's wife and Grace together.

[@carolcamp4828]

Really well done. It caught my attention as I grew up near Croydon & actually lived there briefly.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks Carol - glad you liked it!

[@OceanSwimmer]

Just found your channel, Mr. Maguire. What a pleasure! ....and what a monster Grace Duff was. I hope the 2 surviving children found happier lives once Grace was gone.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Many thanks - the children were bound to their mother for life, it seems. She seems to have been a dominant woman and they lived in her shadow - none were able to forge a life of their own... It is curious but often the case with families stained with murder.

[@OceanSwimmer]

@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder What a shame. Somewhere in her next life (or two, or 2,000) she is paying a heavy price for stunting the lives she was blessed to bear. Equilibrium is the rule of the Universe!

[@maramarxx2431]

Always come back. When updating,enter, peek, leave a like.

[@andywood5699]

Wonderfully done. Thank You.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you too!

[@ohslimgoody]

WOW! Is all I can say. Since discovering this channel I've been intrigued. The stories are captivating and the voice is mesmerizing.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Oh thank you very much! :)

[@thesmoog734]

It's great to wake up to a new TGAWM video!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you very much!

[@davidhynes9683]

Very good of you to respond to viewers' comments.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thanks David - it is not 100%, I'm afraid - I don't see everything, but try my best.

[@jeangenie68]

I could listen to your narration all day.

[@nonadeplume1145]

I just found your channel and love it! Very interesting stories! Simon Whistler has competition for the best voice on KZbin! Thanks for the cc also!

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Glad you enjoy it - thank you!

[@Sayerdify]

I just discovered this channel today ! I am impressed with it's level of class and professionalism and now I see the narrater is quite handsome too. I am now a fan and will spend the next several days trying to catchup.

[@cricket8438]

Thank you for such a wonderful video. So extremely well done and exceeding interesting. Such a sad story.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Thank you so much!

[@teaburg]

Fairly recently subbed to your channel and I must say these episodes are very well done.

[@TheyGotAwayWithMurder]

Many thanks, Beej - that's very nice of you to say so!

[@judyblackman1215]

This is a fabulously enthralling channel.. I am very pleased to have found it... your narration is very pleasant .