Easily the best debate on the topic. Both sides were cordial and professional. But Sam and William were the clear winners, no doubt about it! Their handling of scripture and the Fathers was simply masterful!
@PatQuiroz Жыл бұрын
Glory be to God we are looking at possibly the golden era in Catholic apologetics, we are truly blessed to have people like William and Sam defending the Church. AVE MARIA GRATIA PLENA 🙏🏼
@silasaraujo2849 Жыл бұрын
Sam's handling of the Scriptures is simply AMAZING.
@Altair1904 Жыл бұрын
Unbeatable duo
@chad_hominem Жыл бұрын
Sam is on a whole other level. Truly has been gifted by the Spirit and is using that gift for the Glory of the Blessed Trinity. Really appreciate the collaborations he's been doing with William. I'm a recent revert (Jan 2023) and their videos have been very helpful in bringing me back and strengthening me in the Apostolic Faith & Catholic Church. God bless Sam & William and may He preserve them by the power of the Holy Spirit!! 💙🙏
@chrisazure1624 Жыл бұрын
Sam certainly has an eidetic memory, but he lacks some of the fruit of the spirit. Pray God continues to work on him.
@Altair1904 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisazure1624 and who makes you the judge? May the Lord judge you the way you judge others
@chrisazure1624 Жыл бұрын
@@Altair1904 Comparing behavior to scripture. We should all push other brothers to a higher level of spiritual growth.
@J-PLeigh8409 Жыл бұрын
Turrentin got all fired up when his arguments from silence contradicted himself, got refuted & showed as always..to be weak & elementary. Always enjoy watching these monster brothers in the faith William & Sam team up to debate & defend the ancient holy faith Christendom for the glory of Christ & bring honor to His & our blessed Mother Saint Mary, Pax Vobis
@OrdoSanctiBenedictus Жыл бұрын
A civil debate.Well done gentlemen.
@J7Sss Жыл бұрын
Great job Sam and William
@Altair1904 Жыл бұрын
Great performance WIlliam!
@calebstarcher4934 Жыл бұрын
Sam's zeal and passion for the faith and the Most Blessed Virgin Mary is so saintly and inspiring. Reminds me of Nicholas, Jerome and Tertullian.
@brettzerbel6810 Жыл бұрын
Amazing Job William & Sam. When you have the truth, the truth will prevail. Lord bless!
@bgillis77 Жыл бұрын
This was great. I can see why Gavin Ortlund won’t debate William. William is very well prepared and extremely knowledgeable. He would have Gavin stumbling over his cherry pickings. Sam did absolutely phenomenal. I just don’t know how any Protestant who watches this can remain Protestant. They definitely need to do more seeking. God bless all of you. May Our Blessed mother pray for them 🙏🏼
@AlanBarrientos1 Жыл бұрын
Gavin is scared
@timboslice980 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I saw that he's accusing William of dishonesty and won't debate him. Idk the situation really, I think William accused Gavin of getting his resources from a questionable source and Gavin lost his mind over it. Seems so childish 😊
@breddythewinner8 ай бұрын
Gavin is ABSOLUTELY scared. He’s a coward, and I’m not surprised with the cowardice seen from people like him and James White. Frankly, Gavin has proven himself as an unserious theologian and as a comedic figure; because, if he was serious, then he would back up his blasphemous claims that Marian veneration is an “accretion”. He says something and then runs when asked to defend it. He’s a coward.
@onlylove556 Жыл бұрын
Man I didn't have time to watch this live. But I'm pumped up to watch it right now though..
@15Godrick Жыл бұрын
So much joy watching the both of u defend our faith and our Blessed Mother. To the extent I'm listening to Christmas carols. Thanks so so much. God bless!
@HumanDignity10 Жыл бұрын
Great debate - thanks guys!
@v.g.Orthodox Жыл бұрын
1, After Sams opening statement, it was already a win. Not only a win but a pulverized win. After cross exams, the reformed side was just getting schooled. 2, This is, although not a happy moment, despite the obvious win of Sam & William. Why? Because of the poor state of the reformed side and is theology. It's non-existent and certainly not consequently with itself. 3, As Orthodox, I am glad to see many references to our saints. 4, William, you did great and are well known in this category. You did as I expected being hungry lion for the truth of our Mother All Holy Theotokos. (I still don't agree with some teachings you have, but that's another issue) Sam, 5 min after your opening, i knew that this was going to be devastating for the opponents. And o brother, it was. Thanks for this absolutely awesome apologetics of our Panagia. Through the prayer of Theotokos, Savior, save us.☦️
@traditionallenses Жыл бұрын
☦️☦️☦️☦️ God bless you both. The apostolic churches won tonight.
@Altair1904 Жыл бұрын
It was a lecture, not a debate
@ulka7777 Жыл бұрын
Excellent debate, you did very well brothers. God bless
@orthochristos Жыл бұрын
Bravo, men! Great performance.
@orthochristos Жыл бұрын
Wow! If you made it, then it must be "definitive"...LOLOL@@YajunYuanSDA
@YajunYuanSDA Жыл бұрын
@@orthochristos It is, it includes both Protestant and Catholics interpretations of it. There is nothing that Catholics say about his Panarion 78 and 79 that I left out.
@williamrobertson2407 Жыл бұрын
Only fools believe they can interpret scripture themselves. The Lord gave us His Church and it's teachings and sustains her to this day. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The scriptures were written for the Church and cannot be properly understood outside her living tradition, guided by the Holy Spirit. He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me! Whatever you bind on Earth is bound in Heaven whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven. I will be with you always and the gates of hell will not prevail against you ( the Church). The Holy Spirit who the Father will send will teach you ( the apostles and successors) All things and bring to your remembrance all that I have taught you. When the Spirit of Truth comes he will guide you into all truth. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you, and he breathed on them saying recieve the Holy Spirit. If he refuses to listen to them tell it to the Church, truly whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Truly I say to you when the Son of man sits on his glorious throne you shall sit on 12 thrones judging the tribes of Israel ( the Church).
@onlylove556 Жыл бұрын
Im a former prot, so I can understand the other side, & why they think the way they do, especially when it comes to Mary. But whats crazy is right at the very beginning when Dan was cross-examining Sam, Dan brought up Jude 3 on how it was the saints who were entrusted to the church, so he's literally bringing a verse that proves Apostolic Succession, & he still couldn't see what he was showing there. Bc Jude 3 means God is always preserving his church throughout the generations, with faithful men leading the flock as Shepherds of his Church. Which Jude 3; ties in with 2 Tim 2:2; & many more verses that shows Apostolic Succession in the Bible alone,so sad. But we must pray for them 100%
@KnightFel10 ай бұрын
How can your fallible mind interpret the infallible interpretation by the infallible church on the infallible scripture? You can’t interpret the infalible Bible but you can interpret infallible interpretations of the infallible scriptures. Makes zero sense.
@breddythewinner8 ай бұрын
Buddy, why are you speaking nonsense and simultaneously showing you have no understanding of the Bible’s specific anointing of teaching offices? The office is unable to teach error and teaches infallibly. The spirit protects the office of the Church. The person occupying the office is fallible, no one disputes that. You are pitting the Holy Spirit against itself when you deliberately say silly stuff.
@takmaps Жыл бұрын
Nice one William and Sam it was good indeed
@timboslice980 Жыл бұрын
Sam and William are maybe the 2 best debaters I've seen. Jimmy akin seems to dominate every debate he's in as well. The catholic/orthodox views are so strong its no wonder they're growing in the USA.... main line protestant groups are just so easily defeated in debate, I don't know how an intelligent Christians still follow those theologies.
@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960 Жыл бұрын
I agree brother, only notorious protestants who are just stuck in their ways are still defending the trainwreck reformed theology
@AyranVictorG4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your services William and Sam. Great worriers of the faith!
@maryherasme Жыл бұрын
Wow! I loved the expertise and the lessons. Will have to watch several times. Thank you for this cordial and interesting debate. Mucho con demasiado, as we say in my country.
@nelli6086 Жыл бұрын
Loved the debate ❤
@isaakleillhikar8311 Жыл бұрын
I thought you and Sam Shamoun were awesome even debating on an opinion I didn’t agree with. I can’t wait to watch this one now it’s an opinion I might agree with you to believe as true. And it’s the first time I’m seeing a catholic vs Protestant debate where I more agree with the catholic side.
@theticoboy Жыл бұрын
What denomination are you?
@isaakleillhikar8311 Жыл бұрын
Mesisanic @@theticoboy
@buffsoldierofchrist5907 Жыл бұрын
This was a great debate. Will and Sam are just amazing together. How anyone can watch this and remain a protestant beats the crap out of my buff body bro
@chad_hominem Жыл бұрын
450 bench!!! William you are an absolute BEAST in the faith AND in the gym! (305 one rep Personal best for a guy who weighs 155 soaking wet not bad tho eh 😅) hahah Appreciate you guys (along with Erick & Elijah) immensely. Thank you for all your work & lesson sessions. You have all been very instrumental and influential in my coming back to our Mother Church & instilling confidence in my return to the true faith. God bless you guys 💙🙏
@WilliamAlbrecht Жыл бұрын
415 close grip bench. I don't know my max on regular bench. I regularly do close grip cause it builds arm size and strength.
@theticoboy Жыл бұрын
305 and you weigh 155? Dang bruh that’s really good. Not sure I can bench my weight anymore and I’m close to your size. Old and out shape. Lol
@sotem3608 Жыл бұрын
Hey William, thank you very much for your work, and Sam as well. Both of you have been an influence for me to consider Catholicism, and I'm Catholic since this year. I do have to acknowledge though, that I find the topic of this debate very hard, the Protestant side often comes of as being very reasonable, and on this I just heavily lean on the Church's decree instead of my own understanding. That said, are there any sources (including primary sources) you can recommend me to read, to be more grounded on this specific topic? God bless all of you!
@jimmydavid1993 Жыл бұрын
Sam always articulates
@jimmydavid1993 Жыл бұрын
Prot will always protest the truth
@pete8684 Жыл бұрын
Sam reminds me of Joe Pesci playing Vinny in My Cousin Vinny. "Stop shaking your head" let me finish asking the question.
@onlylove556 Жыл бұрын
Lol😂😂😂
@stephenler3850 Жыл бұрын
I am very very proud of both Sam and William ,for giving strong , solid arguments & evidence ( from Scripture and Early Church Fathers , even the Early Reformers ) , and interpreting them in CONTEXT , for the Assumption of Mary. WELL DONE , SAM & WILLIAM 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 PRAISE BE JESUS !🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 THANKS SAM & WILLIAM. AVE MARIA !🙏🏻 .
@ihs2152 Жыл бұрын
Dan Chapa is proof that you can have many books in your library (and have read them), but if you are reading the wrong books, you might aswell not read at all
@isaakleillhikar8311 Жыл бұрын
Here’s basically the reason I think it’s possibly true. The ark of the covenant is supposed to be buried somewhere but no one knows where it is, that is according to 2 Maccabes. And then we see in the end, its actually in heaven. And also, we see Moses is buried, no one knows where he is, but the truth is, he’s actually in heaven. And we see that the people who come down from heaven are actually alive people taken up, and come down. We see Moses and Elijah appearing. And we saw Mary appearing to people often.
@B.apologeticspauline354 Жыл бұрын
@Patristic Pillars Brother William can I upload the debate on my own channel?
@WilliamAlbrecht Жыл бұрын
Definitely
@B.apologeticspauline354 Жыл бұрын
@@WilliamAlbrechtThank you brother, God Bless you and your family. 🙏
@onlylove556 Жыл бұрын
@@B.apologeticspauline354 U have great Playlist Brother, I just sub to ur channel, I need to organize my channel, I grew up a protestant believer so I started saving all kinds of Catholic theology vids on my KZbin, when I started to study church history. It took me about two slow yrs lol, until I finally started to see that the Catholic Church is the Church of Jesus Christ 💯. I almost became a Eastern Orthodox at 1st, but I wanted to cross out the Papacy 1st, b4 I went through with the Orthodoxs. But I finally saw the Papacy in scripture, & couldn't deny the plain reading of scripture, so it was bc of sola scriptura in a way, that I came to the Catholic Church, in other words it's because I finally saw the Bible is a Catholic book. God bless u brother...
@B.apologeticspauline354 Жыл бұрын
@@onlylove556thank you brother for subscribing, I'll do my best to share our apologist and polemicist brothers contents.
@onlylove556 Жыл бұрын
@@B.apologeticspauline354 Yes thank u, need your prayers to brother, my whole family are anti-catholics, as I use to be too, but I came around though, so I know that they can to one day 💯🙏🏼...📿🌹🇻🇦💪🏻
@AmeriKenTX Жыл бұрын
Ooooooooo.... time to pop 🍿!!! YES!!!!
@twaho Жыл бұрын
2esdras 10 refers to the woman who lost her son as being Zion who turned into a large city. Also the sun moon and stars being Israel - Josephs dream. The woman is Zion with Israel at her head giving birth to the Son, Jesus. The remnant of her seed being the first Christians in the following persecutions.
@J7Sss Жыл бұрын
Boom!!
@Altair1904 Жыл бұрын
William, I never saw you in a debate sadly.... every "debate" you do becomes a lecture for the other side
@Cosmere99 Жыл бұрын
Wow, just finished watching the entire debate. Sam and William smoked them and absolutely demolished them. I even learned a thing or two!
@christianorthodoxy4769 Жыл бұрын
Another👑✨ Win. ⭐🌟⭐ 😇🌠for the Team. 🎉🤡💫 Send in the Clowns 😂💀☠️💀🤭 lol.
@maluill Жыл бұрын
Respect to Chapa and turretin. Evident they were losing partly to their concession of certain points unlike muslims and athiest who double down when getting pulverized. Shows the humility of these Christians. They lost and didn't shy away from aiding their loss.
@J7Sss Жыл бұрын
Sam and William blew their heretical views out of the water
@MsCazanova55 Жыл бұрын
As has been noted there have been numerous apparitions of mother Mary through the ages with many witnesses. God has given Mary a special role to play in bringing people to Jesus. The miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadaloupe in Mexico is a testament to that. Mary is special and the Catholic Churches recognise her divinity and unique place in Christianity.. The image of Our Lady of Guadaloupe, that science cannot explain, is tangible proof that can be seen today of how special and alive mother Mary is..
@rbnmnt33419 ай бұрын
Mary has NO ROLE in bringing anybody to Jesus. Not even Peter believes that lie. There is absolutely no scripture that says the way to Jesus is his mother. Jesus NEVER said the way to him is or was through his mother. Jesus said, "I am the way." Or did I miss where it says you have to go through my mother? Such a blatant lie and blasphemy. We recognise Mary for who she was not for who Catholics want her to be. Finally, Mary can bring no one to Jesus. You apparently don't read scripture or you wouldn't make foolish statements.
@MsCazanova559 ай бұрын
Perhaps you should check out the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadaloupe that science cannot explain. She certainly brought millions of indiginous Mexicans to Jesus in the first decade after her appearance..soo..God works in mysterious ways..
@rbnmnt33419 ай бұрын
@@MsCazanova55 and who authenticated this apparition? The church of course. Does the church have a motive. ABSOLUTELY! Science can't explain demonic spirits. Those spirits also do signs and wonders. Those apparitions are like big foot sightings. It's usually only one person or involves children. Mary was not given any supernatural powers to come and go as she pleases. Besides I know my people. Mexicans are good at making up stories. When we were kids those cucuy stories were everywhere. This would be one of those but this one is demonic. That nothing to joke about. It's a total deception from satan himself.
@tco13v8 ай бұрын
@@rbnmnt3341 _and who authenticated this apparition? The church of course. Does the church have a motive. ABSOLUTELY!_ Who then to trust to approve such visions? The government? Atheists? Protestants? Are they without motives? The Church has more motivation than any other to get it right!
@Jerkasaur Жыл бұрын
There is a warrant out for the arrest of William for the murder of Chapa. Chapa sounds like he's shaking and about to cry during the cross at around an hour and forty minutes into the video hahahahahaha
@mjramirez6008 Жыл бұрын
😂😂William the Magnificent, great love and appreciation for the brother
@twaho Жыл бұрын
I believe there is a very good argument for revelation having been written before 70ad, but regardless, regarding rev 12 who said is couldn't have been written about the past if rev was written after 70ad? Rev 1:19 Write the *things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.* John was instructed to write the past, present and future.
@TurretinFan Жыл бұрын
Check out Revelation 4:1, and then read through to see if Revelation 12 is part of that section.
@twaho Жыл бұрын
@TurretinFan You mean, regarding the vision of the fate of the 7 churches in Asia, after he saw the vision, he saw the next vision? Then after those visions, in ch7 he saw the next vision or perspective. These are referring to the next visions he witnessed, not necessarily the next sequences of chronological events to take place in the physical.
@TurretinFan Жыл бұрын
@@twaho There is some debate about whether Revelation is disclosing the same thing multiple times from multiple angles (like Daniel's prophecy) or whether the prophecies are distinct. My point about Rev. 4:1 is that it introduces a discussion of prophecy of future things, and based on the reference to the 24 elders there in Rev. 4 and likewise the same imagery in Rev. 8 and Rev. 11, we should understand Revelation 12 likewise to part of the same overall prophecy (whether it should be understood as several descriptions of the same future thing or one description of several future things, is not something I'm sure I would insist on).
@twaho Жыл бұрын
@TurretinFan Id recommend taking a look at a book presenting another perspective: *The parousia : a critical inquiry into the New Testament doctrine of our Lord's second coming* by J. Stuart Russell. This book answers all the questions and will give you a different view on things, you can download the pdf for free from multiple sites. Eusebius's Church history and Josephus wars books 1-7 as well, i recommend the Paul Maier versions.
@blueticks84238 ай бұрын
I tend to believe the bodily assumption of Mary, and I do feel that Sam and William won the debate. The one thing I would side with the negative side is that I think the church has gone too far with its anathemas of those who aren’t persuaded. At least for now, that’s where I stand.
@tomgervasi46537 ай бұрын
Acts 13 says Psalm 2 is about Christ.
@ChrisBurton-mf3gk7 ай бұрын
I’m a Roman Catholic, so I accept the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary. However, by reading it into Sacred Scripture in places where it simply isn’t only hurts its credibility in the eyes of more astute Protestant exegetes. Albeit I don’t these Protestants are of the more astute kind. 🤣 The male child isn’t Christ??? What?!
@WilliamAlbrecht7 ай бұрын
Thanks, Chris. I have absolutely no idea who could be reading this belief into texts that don't support it. These two debaters are some of the best and most astute contra the Assumption. No one has done more Mariology work in the Protestant field than Alpha and Omega. If you don't think Revelation 12 not only supports the Assumption, with some of the greatest Fathers also teaching such, then I suggest you pick up some primary source material.
@ChrisBurton-mf3gk7 ай бұрын
@@WilliamAlbrecht I was not at all saying that your guests were reading anything into Revelation 12. I was only saying that I have heard some Catholic apologists sometimes use passages of scripture that leave me scratching my head.
@rbnmnt33419 ай бұрын
It took 3-4 hours to tell that lie? It would have been just as rasy to google the assumption. Of course it would say "no results found".
@HG-kn3hb Жыл бұрын
Lets appeal to the writings of the authentic church fathers - Paul and Peter - Eve was mentioned. Sarah was mentioned. Even Hagar was mentioned. But Mary wasn't even mentioned if she is so important? Why wasn't the other Mary mentioned by the Church as taught by Jesus everytime when the gospel is preached?
@imjulie830 Жыл бұрын
Only stupid people think that Mary is NOT important when she's the reason that our Savior have flesh (a human vessel) when she's the "New eve that bring to the world" the fruit of life" Jesus.. If others are mentions like "Eve, Sarah and Hagar" How much more the MOTHER of the Church.. The Queen that crowned in heaven with 12 stars...
@HG-kn3hb Жыл бұрын
@@imjulie830 all about Mary are presuppositions. Are you saying Paul and Peter were stupid enough to make it clear in their letters?
@imjulie830 Жыл бұрын
@@HG-kn3hb presupposition? If i were to follow your logic all prophecy is also "presupposition" the verses on the bible are presupposition.. Aren't u listening to the exegesis of the debator which uses that exegesis of the Church Fathers? I'm not saying Paul and Peter are stupid.. U just don't understand what they convey...our interpretation of the 2000+ year book is nit enough to unpack about it.. That's why we should believe to the Church Fathers interpretation and the deposit of Faith for 2000+years...and "Letters" is NOT enough to explain our Faith that's why we have Traditions...
@shamounian Жыл бұрын
you are a s-t-up-i-d d-0-g if you think Mary wasn't mentoned. skype me to go live to show you how much she is mentioned: benny_malik3
@HG-kn3hb Жыл бұрын
@@imjulie830 After Paul and Peter, I don't know who are these church fathers. They could be wrong just like the pharisees until Jesus has to correct them. Since Paul and Peter were undisputedly recognized in the first century church, I go by their writings about the Gospel. Those who who came after them cannot be verified and unimportant.