THE BOYS Season 4 Was..

My review of THE BOYS Season 4 with SPOILERS
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[@Sleepycollegestudent]

Huey being thrown into two SA incidents in a row and then starlight blaming him pissed me off a lot actually

[@jaylanthompson]

I think Starlight being mad at him is justified. She was depressed the entire season due to everything happening and then she gets kidnapped by an imposter, and Hughie doesn’t realize it’s not her even though she was being oddly happy and weird asf.

[@toddpacker4683]

@@jaylanthompson hughie was sexually assaulted by the fake starlight, to be mad at hughie for being sa'd is gross

[@shawklan27]

I mean she was traumatised but it still doesn't excuse her outburst for being so tone deaf

[@someguyinazoo]

@@jaylanthompsonyeah because when a guy is assaulted no one cares but Annie is justified by making it all about her

[@yaboisaundy7343]

​@jaylanthompson It's so weird that Hughie was tricked by the shapeshifter with Starlight's memories how could that EVER happen??? 🙄🙄🙄

[@jackysew9974]

I hate the “smartest person in the world” plot device. It’s just an excuse to have that character come in at the end and say “this was all the plan”. Most predictable twist ever

[@MCOGroupNews]

The boys has so many levels of irony I can't even tell if they're making fun of the trope or have gotten that lazy with their writing

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

Facts 😂

[@BarbieTings1]

It was still good tho 😂

[@trxgic2300]

@@MCOGroupNewsI think you guys tend to forget they are making fun of corny ass super hero’s and marvel.. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Paulin-pw5jx]

She just shows up out of nowhere I knew it was exactly that ….

[@mccabestevenson]

I felt like Starlight getting really mad at Hughie all the time doesn't feel right. Hughie's dad died, he got raped in the dungeon and raped a second time by the duplicate. like that wasn't consensual because Hughie didn't know who it really was. but Starlight gets mad at him. Also, she didn't tell him about the abortion or discuss it so it comes off as hypocritical to get mad at him for something like that. She got mad at him for being raped. I think the shapeshifter was right that Starlight puts herself on a pedestal.

[@georgehernandez2156]

So you're saying your significant other won't be pissed at all if you slept and proposed to someone else, even if she is a shapeshifter? Plus he even admitted to having sex with her 20 times, he enjoyed it.

[@mccabestevenson]

@@georgehernandez2156 nah bro he was sexually assaulted, coping weirdly isn't out of the question

[@denish-themenace]

​@@georgehernandez2156 but you see hughie didn't know she was a shapeshifter. All these feminist cr@p doesn't work in the context of this story.

[@caseyhart4999]

@@georgehernandez2156whether Hughie enjoyed it in the moment or not isn’t very relevant. Three episodes in a row he got either sexually assaulted like in episode 6 or raped like in 7 and 8. I’m not even really saying that it bothers me to the degree that it does others but the facts are facts.

[@YellowBuddyDog]

@@georgehernandez2156no sane person would get mad at their significant other for being SAd

[@ItsPallasAthena]

Starlight being pissed at Hughie for not know that the SHAPESHIFTER who stole her MEMORIES wasn't HER made me so mad. That's literally the shapeshifter's entire ability, Hughie is a VICTIM. Not only of that, but of so much other stuff this season, yet she makes it about her in the end. She's awful. Poor fucking Hughie.

[@ItsPallasAthena]

I disliked majority of this season. Most of it felt contrived and directionless. 5/10 for me, though could honestly drop to a 4.

[@ItsPallasAthena]

I understand that it might be intended for Starlight to be acting irrational or out of line due to the stress she's in, but her chastising Hughie for not knowing it wasn't actually her just comes off rather as self righteous and projecting of the writers by "pointing out misogyny", which barely even holds up as an excuse. It felt entirely unwarranted and not at all like it was meant to be taken as her being in the wrong

[@boomwowsion64]

It's understandable. And it's not like she was like oh no, I'll never forgive you for what you did.

[@kalielcrawford1511]

With the hairs situation, i thought he was pulling greys rather than hairs falling out.

[@Saiyan1229]

Yea it was that

[@ionutcristian9650]

Starlight is whining and complaining left and right about how hard her life is while hughie is standing right next to her is pretty funny to me, he's been through a lot more trauma than her and is just soldiering on.

[@kotorandcorvid4968]

Season 4 definitely had issues. The Frenchie/Colin plot line came out of nowhere and only served as a stepstone for Frenchie's and Kimiko's relationship Edit: The excessive gore and sex serve mostly for shock value Ryan goes from good boy to (maybe) evil every two episodes Starlight is more unlikeable than ever and her powers suck The show is way harsher on male characters than female characters But it had its moments, particularly with Homelander, A Train's redemption arc, Kimiko finally speaking, and the Deep becoming a legit menace

[@Apextruebot]

The Deep been a demon 😂

[@Nightmare-pj4fg]

I can not believe Annie’s arc. I thought writers would’ve learned by now that the season 1 Invincible style of romantic conflict is NOT good and just tells the audience “oh hey this person is a dumb asshole”. Also spoilers . . . Her powers are so useless that they had to have her physically overpowered the shifter to win . . . Without using her powers. How the FUCK did Annie beat the shifter in a physical power fight, but Kimiko whose powers are literally just her physical abilities and regeneration DIDN’T !!!??? I understand that they wanted Annie to do it for revenge and arc based reasons, but come on. Could’ve been less lazy with it. Also I am in the minority but I actually didn’t mind the Colin arc. Don’t get me wrong Colin sucks and is a horrible nothing character, but I like the exploration of Frenchies guilt. It could’ve just absolutely been done in a better way than him getting frisky with one of his past victims like w h a t 💀

[@cal_l]

3/4 of your points are awful ngl

[@patflann29]

I’ll add the fact that Homelander shed his need for approval by killing the scientists only to get less intelligent and less capable. Did he need to do that to become more brazenly evil? That’s what his Im The Real Hero speech accomplished. To play devil’s advocate I suppose that they are tying to make it clear that he is a spoiled brat who fails upwards, but he has no arc he just gets crazier and crazier and it doesn’t backfire on him. Not as compelling as it could be to me

[@empty6155]

​@@Nightmare-pj4fg The season was mostly written more with a psychological factor. one factor that cures the show is the fan base. Everyone wants action and gore every episode, when in actuality, it was evident that the show was going to go a more mental route with the characters they added. Colin serves as a love interest for Frenchie only to play into his own guilt for his past actions. It's a similar thing for that girl Kimiko fought. Both of them virtually had no purpose other than bringing Kimiko and Frenchie so low that only the two of them could pick each up. It was a weird plot at first, but with thorough examination and actually letting everything play out (like what this season's theme was) it all made sense.

[@nont18411]

How many times did Hughie get sexually assaulted this season? It’s too much that it’s appalling.

[@bronmill33]

and the fact that him getting sexually assaulted by tek knight and ashley was played off for laughs and the show doesnt address it or the fact that he was r*ped by the shapeshifter at all feels all the more disgusting. the closest we ever get to a scene like that is when he cries to starlight and breaks down, but even then the focus is on his grief over losing his father. this was terribly handled and could’ve provided some meaningful commentary about the sexual abuse and personal struggles that men go through, but it felt more like it was done for shock value and for the sake of having people talk about how crazy and wacky the show is

[@nont18411]

@@bronmill33 Yep, it’s so off putting for the audience to see them handle Hughie like this.

[@dmndxdave]

hughie got treated like absolute shit this season, and for what? feels like he spent the whole season getting beaten down just to motivate his exhaustion in the finale and his push to help vicky. was there really no other way to get here for his character other than sexual assault and the sadistic loss of his father?

[@BrandonDenny-we1rw]

​@@dmndxdave they dont know how to write so no. The comic shows clesrly kripke doesnt know how to end anything

[@xcxmafai]

It wasn’t played for jokes bruh

[@tengiskoks9883]

It kinda pissed me off that Hughie had really fucked up situations back to back, BUT STARLIGHT acted like it was not really big deal because her abortion was much worse. It's debateble if it was, but like come on. Support your man. Like who the heck she thinks she is.

[@Saiyan1229]

She was very bitchy this season

[@bronmill33]

the SA scenes in the tek knight episode felt like it was played off for laughs and the further SA he experienced after from the shapeshifter wasn’t ever addressed or anything. ofc there wasn’t enough time to fully explore how these traumatic events would affect hughie, but having no acknowledgement of what he went through and having it played off for laughs at one point just feels in poor taste and could’ve been handled way better, especially when the current societal landscape has more and more men finally talking about their own traumas and experiences of abuse

[@nont18411]

@@bronmill33 Media: “Men should be more open about their trauma.” Also the very same media: Does something like this.

[@angel7661]

@@bronmill33 It was Eric Kripe said he found it funny

[@jonnypokemon]

hughie lost his dad, watched him reanimate, had to euthanize him, was assaulted by tek knight then multiple times by the shape shifter, and STARLIGHT was somehow the sympathy character end of season 4? kripke himself admitted men getting SA’ed is funny to him

[@neptun6761]

I'm heartbroken that they cancelled the A train movie 😭

[@p0k3mn1]

I couldn’t wait to see it in theaters! I’m so upset

[@TheQuietTimes]

I feel like this was the weakest season... with the strongest finale AND the most potential/intrigue for the next season. I've always been A LITTLE underwhelmed with The Boys season Finales because despite always having a surprise death or 2, the show almost always "resets back to 1"... And that means the opening episodes for the next season always end up having to establish a new threat, things ramp up, come to head, and by the end of the season everything resets again and a variation of the same cycle is repeated. So while I didn't love most of this season, the ramp up was probably the best the series has seen (as when the ball does finally get rolling it never really stops), and the finale was DEFINITELY the best, and ultimately it did what it was supposed to. It raised the stakes and got me excited to see how this all goes down next season.

[@Snzn18]

Though the ending could have been elevated more if "The Boys" actually worked cohesively as a group for once before they get broken apart. Like the whole system they just became way mor less cohesive as a group that you always get the feeling that the group is slowly falling apart just by themselves alone.

[@TheQuietTimes]

@@Snzn18 But I think in many ways _"The Boys"_ slowly falling apart is very much a big part of cycle _"The Boys"_ have always gone through. They've always been effective enough to stay in play (getting government support and backing despite all the things they do/accomplish that's far outside of what could be considered legal)... But there have always been things, be it personal or between them that have kept them from being an entirely cohesive unit, outside of certain times... Arguably when it matters most. Even going further back than the show ever shows us (with Lamplighter frying Mallory's grandchildren), they have a tendency to self-destruct. But outside of Butcher and when Frenchie turned himself in, I would post that _"The Boys"_ have been more of a 'cohesive unit' than in any of the other seasons. Things playing out poorly was less about them failing to communicate and execute, and more about there being more obstacles in their way that they couldn't have planned for or bested.

[@mitchjames9350]

The ending was still muh, not as bad as the season 3 finale which was dumb.

[@briquesbts]

Exactly what I thought

[@gentlesavage2068]

Season 4 felt like filler it was so boring. So much of it felt like the writers were stalling cos they didn't want the show to end too quickly. The show should've ended with season 3.

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

I think the goal was 5 seasons so they did have to hold back alot this season with consequences. Felt similar to season 2 in that way cause the boys got away with alot in season 2 tbh

[@Saiyan1229]

How can you say that with what it sll lead up to🤨

[@-xrxr-878]

The show should’ve absolutely NOT 🙅‍♂️ ended at season 3

[@plasmabeamgames]

I suspect they got the news that they could make seasons 4 and 5 in one go. They then had to stretch a certain amount of planned story over a bigger number of episodes.

[@ElijahSmith-kx6hp]

Starlight killed my grandma.

[@tradingtitan9586]

Good

[@sarnaksarkar5267]

Starlight Lied People Died

[@reinderrider45]

@@sarnaksarkar5267😂😂😂

[@paulanaya2503]

I think if any plot was "forced" it was his dad and mom plot point

[@educationalporpoises9592]

I think the problem with the politics is that it presents some left wing stuff as bad or hypocritical (like Neuman being a stand in for The Squad while just being out for power and being duplicitous), and then it presents average left wing folk as being genuine and good, but every single right wing character is either evil, deceived, or a dumb NPC, or all three. So it does make fun of all sides, but it only takes one side as possibly something a good and intelligent person would believe. Which I mean I get it, but the writers definitely have a blind spot.

[@CSmith-hx2pm]

Reality is political and the truth is partisan.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@educationalporpoises9592 It doesn't even "make fun of both sides." Mocking ESG and DEI stuff from big corporations is more of a criticism of those corporations (mainly Disney, Amazon's biggest streaming competitor) than the frankly, idiotic ideologies from the radical left. And when they do attack the radical right, they go for the most strawmannish, stereotyping, low-hanging fruit out there, and directly attacks _all people_ who are conservative, and even those like myself, who just simply aren't a far-left Progressive. I'm neither left or right leaning, but seeing writers and directors act like assholes and be mean-spirited bullies isn't a good look, no matter who's doing it.

[@gangstacomputergod6907]

Well that's because right wingers are literally pawns of the rich tricked into supporting a system that exploits them

[@Snzn18]

The season did lot to Hughie in this season nad the major issue is that they haven't given time to let his charcter process it and just kept throwing him into the next dillema. they made him kill a person by hand, let his father die, get sa'd, and get confused sa'd again. Like in previous seasons something pivotal like that happen to hughie and it took almost the entire season for Hughie to process just one of those.

[@meti326]

We all know how S5 is going to be the The Boys will be together again after Ep. 1. 6 Episodes of boring Filler, Gore and some good Scenes. Last Episode with a rushed ending killing most Characters mostly Homelander/Butcher and setting Some kind of a Sequel

[@TheWillman34]

I would say yes the boys season 4 was a mixed bag but I gotta say I really enjoyed the last 5 minutes of the finale great use of the song they licensed.

[@sumtingwong8592]

They're writing like it's the early 2000s. They might as well just have Hughie get hit in the balls constantly, like "Ow my balls" from Idiocracy. It's becoming that level of writing when it comes to Hughie. Really pissed at the show runner for being all like "what's the big deal, it's funny" man's spitting on the fans at that point

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

The thing with the politicalization is that the writers and producers are hypocrites 😂

[@catsofsherman1316]

I think the broad stereotypical attitudes that the creators put on display is evidence of their ignorance and prejudice. So much of it is so on the nose that I feel like I can tell which MSNBC host they are parroting at any given moment. I can laugh at it because they think they are satirizing Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones, but it's the creators of the show who really look naive, foolish, and mean spirited.

[@666slateran666]

How? Just because you and others unironically worship homelander?? Pretty telling tbh

[@nocturnalanimal6815]

@@catsofsherman1316 thats its quite funny and supposed to be completely absurd. dont let it hurt your feelings too much

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

@@666slateran666 i only worship allah, one true god. please dont make assumptions about people online, you will often find yourself to be very, very wrong. Lol.

[@666slateran666]

@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 Wallahi

[@DivineDivinium]

Basically all filler except the last episode.

[@bliqky]

yeah we didnt watch the same show

[@p0k3mn1]

The A-train stuff is definitely not filler Homelander and butcher and Ryan stuff is not filler Sage stuff is not filler

[@SillyBoneThugg]

This is how people end up being confused when Noir starts flying or Frenchie is bi because your attention span is shot

[@kuyanhits]

i think people tend to forget that after the tek knight incident, he breaks down in front of annie saying he isnt fine. he went the entire episode trying to convince his team and himself he is fine when he truly isnt. but i do still believe that it should have been fleshed out rather than annie thinking her problems are bigger than hughies

[@dupitydoop]

Im gonna call it Ashlee's power is going to be the ability to give power to others- to put people on a pedastool above herself as she did as her job for the heroes of the seven. She'll be able to give pure and stable power, most probably just super strength and be able to help the boys have a small fighting chance

[@leonrobinson2053]

The actors are carrying the lazy writing.

[@anthonybeam8003]

Right after season 3 aired I was discussing the future of the show with a friend at a steakhouse I said Homelander will probably fill out the 7 with loyal sycophants and one of them will be a woman who is a Marjory Taylor Greene parady whos power is related to guns and will kiss Homelanders ass but it will never be enough I predicted that perfectly with Firecracker

[@TUC4MOT3]

It’s crazy to me how many people are defending this season so much pretending like having negative view somehow is having something to do with being homophobic or anti woke. It’s not that at all. Frenchie plot seem forced, and the show had done a great job already building kimikos and frenchie relationship for 3 seasons. Homelander only great part was him going back to lab. Every season had key moments that were over the top but very meaningful. Season two Stormfront was great, MMs past and how it related to the villain was amazing. The scene where Becka died. Season 3 hit hard from the start and soldier boy was on point the whole season, Maeves redemption. Season 4 started so slow and the plot just seem like it could have been 4-5 episodes. Very forgettable season. Not to where you write the show off but definitely the weakest and pretend like it was something amazing is a disservice because the first three seasons were amazing

[@GIGADEV690]

It had some bad some good stuff and it was fun everybody isn't like you

[@CyreseParrish]

​@@GIGADEV690If you don't agree, cool, no need for the jab at the end

[@gilzineto]

​@@CyreseParrish what jab?

[@HasiramaSenju-sd9fl]

​@@GIGADEV690 the only good stuffs are the Homelander's story in episode 4, Butcher's arc, and some well acted scenes with shapeshifter starlight & Hughie's dad, most of the others are just mediocre, boring, or complete dogshit

[@samgourhan207]

Frenchy being bi is oddly on point

[@Cinnahawk]

😂Bruh

[@Captain_Calcium]

I mean, it's been hinted at since season 1 😂

[@Clik533]

He always was bi but that’s not the point people where mad about!

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

Hes been bi the entire time

[@personperson573]

Weird way of saying you weren't paying attention in Seasons 1-2. Now if you just said the subplot was a bit meandering and redundant that's a different topic. But no a character being bi does not equate to bad quality, Samuel. 💀💀🙏💔

[@King_Jefe99]

The fact people say there not offended by a scene when critiquing a show is crazy. People should know it’s a review and ur doing just that a review.

[@mr.moonlight7810]

I loved first, second and third. It focused on the plot and killing supe's and how supe's are hypocrites. It was lovely. Season 4 was overshadowed with Trumpism and overwhelmed itself with almost making everything politic and how 'right winged people are racist and neo nazis that wants to put left winged people into camps' ideology. Literally 5 out of 8 episodes ruined it for me. Last 2 episodes was fine though. Since the 'election year' they have been doing with this season is now gone, I really hope writers go back to focusing on Plot. And there is a lot of things to focus on besides politics. They have Homelander being a threat, Ryan literally losing his mind and turning to secondary Homelander, Butcher having V'd up Tumor straight out of Venom, The boys getting kidnapped by Vought n supes. There's so many things to focus on in the future. But if they gonna waste this story telling by injecting their ideology and "fuck trump and fuck right wingers" mentality for 5 straight episodes again then nah.

[@nihaalsandim9986]

I wasn't feeling it this season , but the final episode definitely reedemed it for me , i think it had the best ending out of all the seasons . Best setup for the final season imo , splitting up all the boys, getting captured , gen V characters reappearing. Hopefully we also get to see emma , marie and jordan as well .

[@MandyArrow]

Trash till the last 2 episodes and some sheep. Let's be real.

[@snally6111]

Im very hopeful that theyll focus on the characters next season based solely on Hughies proclamation to the rest of the boys on trusting Neuman. I think that speech he gave about beating monsters by embracing their humanity is the main message of the entire show, kinda like how Puck summarizes the story of Berserk in Blackswordman arc.

[@sumtingwong8592]

Crazy how many people on the flip side loved this season. Feels like same type of people whod be down for 10 seasons of this. So it sucks that they are aware of that and stretched this out, and made this entire season filler.

[@mitchellgilbertson290]

i wouldn't say this season was bad by any stretch, its just that seasons 1-3 were so off the charts good, that this season was a bit lacking in comparison. compared to everything else out there though season 4 is still top tier tv.

[@valpeysgaming13110]

I agree. Homelander is definitely the best character of the show and I do like that as we learn more of his backstory. I hate him less because it's clear he could have been something great if not for humans. Meddling and experimenting on him, causing him to create a dissociation with his emotions

[@OTBASH]

This season is definitely one of the worst ones. Frenchie being gay with some random dude was literally out of no where and was so pointless in my eyes since it just lead to what EVERYONE knew was going to happen (Him and Kimiko hooking up). Im also getting sick of the forced disgusting sexual scenes thrown in for shock value's sake as well as the obvious political pandering to the left. The moments where the season was actually good was when they ditched all that stupid shit and focused on what makes the show good, the supes and the characters development/inner turmoil. Also Starlight can literally get fucked at this point for how she had the audacity to act like Hughie was in the wrong for what happened.

[@Ammck00]

I just finished the Boys last night and I think the criticism about Huey not being able to process all this trauma is valid, I'm worried about that too. I hope it's commentary on what happens to a person when the world is seemingly ending but you have all of these awful things happen to you and you're just expected to push through and work. I don't think Huey is going to have a breaking moment because he's in survival mode, but I'm curious about what that's going to do to him

[@MrTambourineMan.]

Im disappointed that Hughie’s dad died and it was meaningless in the grand scope of the season. They just made Hughie comic relief(being SA’d isn’t funny but I guess the writers think it is.) Starlight getting mad at Hughie for having sex with her literal clone was so lame. And what happens to Hughie’s Mom? I can’t imagine they brought her back just to have a 3 week relationship with her son before he gets taken to one of those slave camps?

[@ssponjosito]

I would like to imagine this season was more of a setup for the final season. Personally I thought it was ok, like some arcs probably couldve been trimmed down or just cut entirely from the season. That ending has my hyped for season 5 tho.

[@redskyblacks]

Im apolitical too, I just get annoyed when it gets shoved in my face. I dont care about politics so when a show tries to grandstand it just rubs me the wrong way

[@apacalypsagon3758]

Season 4 must've felt like a fauqed up car crash where you know you shouldnt watch. But at the same time we are drawn to tragedy.

[@willmcc05]

Uh no it was still good

[@Grimbear13]

I loved this season overall. I do think Kimico and Frenchie kind of felt like they were there to be there mostly. I do understand where you're coming from that the Boys weren't really dealing with trauma much. However with what everything else was going on they didn't have time to decompress cause everytime something shitty happens like the Hughie sex dungeon... at the same time they find out they're gonna lock dissidents in internment camps and they're going full totalitarian. They did have a beat there where he said he wasn't alright. But yeah also in the final bit with the shifter again Hughie didn't have time to really sort that shit out him and Annie had a little reconciliation but with all the shit within the country going down they don't have time to get their own shit in order.

[@Shafterr]

Was disappointed by the lack of soldier boy. Hope they bring him back in season 5, maybe he can take down Homelander.

[@catseyereflex6774]

Starlight sucks.. Castrated Hughie.. That weird Frenchie storyline.. Felt like a filler season.. The same old conflict within the Boys...Couldn't care about the team..

[@TedShatner10]

How would his brother know A-Train never saved anyone, when Vought ran a tight ship with the Seven away from the public and his brother was never around him at all times? I personally think A-Train did so much fake movie stuff with his brother present, and that made his brother skeptical of what else A-Train was doing at Vought (good or bad), plus his brother was angry at A-Train for being around his kids (so he'd be more prone to blurting out scathing borderline nonsense stuff). Don't take what characters say completely at face value.

[@alphaomega6522]

Hey ryan, love your channel. I highly suggest you read the comics at some point. Maybe when the series ends if you don't have time right now. Don't listen to people saying the comics are just pointless and edgy to be edgy. They have a lot to say about superheros, celebrities, and corporations. It's a great read and not super long. Keep posting these great videos man!

[@clarkkotte3069]

I enjoyed it a lot. And the finale was great. There were issues like Hughie getting abused and the story dragging a bit but overall it told the story well

[@thottobot7444]

I just wish the writing and subtlety was up to par with season 1. Every character and the world was so well developed back then. Now characters and the world seem to change episode to episode

[@ImYourOnlyItGirl]

They do make fun of everyone. They made fun of the LGTBQ+ stuff. That was the whole Queen Maeve queen Lez thing. They even have satire about Black Lives Matter, those types of “leftist” stuff. The only reason why I can see people from the right being mad is because the stuff the right has been doing is actually more extreme in practice (the insurrection, trump rallies, the far right movements), but that’s just what the other side has presented to get made fun of.

[@mastername5373]

I slightly disagree with the Boys making fun of everyone equally, they're kinda doing what Camron Coleman the news guy said to the Deep about how he talks bad a little on their side so he appears fair. The thing that annoyed me the most with Starlight was them giving her a new problem that their target audience would support her in, like abortion and being mean as kids instead of facing things like the innocent dad she killed and saying she doesn't care she did this when they had to take Hughie to a hospital.

[@alexabadia4209]

" There is this guy who is a KZbinr who is called realLifeRyan and he reminds me so much of myself, a short, redhead, who gymcells to an extreme yet he is still completely alone, the guy can't understand no amount of abs would get him a woman....he just can't accept it. It's heartbreaking really but he just is too naive. " Found on Rehab Room " Who is gonna carry the boats?"

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

13:02 Of course, the people who make these shows have horrendous double standards, they wouldn’t have switched the genders and done that scene today.

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

It's toxic masculinity. For all the (correct) appeals to feminism that this show makes, it still is prone to obnoxious frat humor. Toxic masculinity affects men as much as it effects women.

[@AlexHyde666]

​@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Exactly.

[@romancandleofthewild]

But they did do things right when it came to the deep in season 1. I don’t know why they decided that SA against men was funny all of a sudden

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Wow, “toxic masculinity”? And you’re a guy, whenever I see men talking about that it just makes me sick.

[@Boonk29]

My friend had a theory that the reason why Frenchie and Kimiko fell apart romantically was because Frenchie had been emasculated in season 3. I forgot Which scene it was but it was with the Russian boss lady and because of that kimiko no longer saw him as a man. Most likely subconsciously lol and saw him more as a brother.

[@stuckwchuck]

This felt so much like the Attack of the Clones of The Boys' seasons. So many victories for the Seven, but season 5 will be the RoTJ

[@jay21789]

How dare you.

[@Josh-ez5hf]

Since season 5 is going to be the last it's gonna have to lay all its cards on the table instead of meandering like it sounds like it's been doing

[@Snzn18]

I was like, give us the vocals already cause they teased us with thge overly prolonged guitar intro

[@walmartian422]

Bro this season was TERRIBLE and pointless they introduced their OC character Neuman who was entirely inconsequential after revolving 2 seasons around her and her omnipotent head exploding power. What’s even going on in this show anymore?

[@ambertheanxious]

I totally agree on everything with Hughie and Kripke getting confronted with how disturbing it all was and him saying he didn’t think it was dark, that it was hilarious, is what really pushed it over the edge for me.

[@dawsonlindahl7427]

Honestly I didn’t mind the bit regarding the big gap between the reaction to hughie being assaulted and female characters. I think that in itself is commentary by Kripke, rather than an issue with the show. It’s not that we take women’s sexual assault too seriously, it’s that we think it’s no big deal for men to go through something like that.

[@no8965]

Hughie being molested wasn't played to be funny and people keep thinking that it is even though they DID deal with those consequences towards the end of the episode when he broke down in front of Annie and said he wasn't fine despite saying he was after his dad died and so that scene was basically his breaking point. Ok, my little ranks over.

[@shin267]

Yeah but the fact he basically got raped 20 times was glossed over. Really weird from the writers, off-putting actually

[@antoniosugar7044]

Yeah he broke down and then nothing was done with all that stuff for the rest of the season

[@negative4928]

Hughie, MM, and Kimiko I hope are the only ones to survive next season. Everyone else sucks complete ass anymore

[@SilasSeiler]

Huey did have a breakdown about Tek Knight and Ashley's abuse to him, it wasn't totally played for laughs. Him and Annie discussed it after they got back.

[@MrBlueski93]

This show would've been better if they'd followed the comic more faithfully. I like the idea of punching up and using your noggin rather than powers, but the writers of this show aren't even doing that right anymore. They neutered Butch, Frenchie, and MM to do it. MM should've had his fair one with Soldier Boy at the finale of last season with temp V. Why they enjoy humiliating MM is beyond me, but he's the most unfortunate casualty.

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

Homie had one of the best moments in S4E4, and I really thought he was genuinely going to have a character shift. ...And then Firecracker's titties completely ruined it. It's just, umm...yeah. At least those scientists got theirs, but it's ruined by him turning his back on the whole point of visiting the labs to begin with, which tells me the shock-value was more important than what it ultimately meant for the character. Hughie got fucked over for no reason. Frenchie also got straight character-assassinated with his fling with Colin, so it's not just Hughie who I think was poorly handled. It's not so bad, but it's a lot of dumb mistakes that feel completely unforced.

[@abel6416]

Thank u , for a real good breakdown. Its like people forget how bad most of the season is cause gore. This season felt hallow and less like the boys. Imo season 3 had issues but solider boy hard carried , but i still liked the characters. Seaon 4 is my last season . Ill just watch a recap/ highlights of the s5 .

[@Reb3l_Peak]

Unless season 5 turns out to be absolutely non stop crucial moments the whole time, I feel like. S4 could’ve been condensed and be the first few episodes of S5

[@Poetthegoat]

One thing I’ll say is I was disappointed with the lack of scenes with butcher and homelander together. Literally first 5 min of episode 1 they interact and then never for the rest. Kinda makes sense with butcher transitioning to the dark side but wish we could’ve seen their chemistry

[@theperspective4357]

I think a show shouldn't go beyond 3 seasons

[@Sabretooth7777]

Frenchie being queer isn't an entirely new thing...recall him asking MM about transgender strippers back in S2

[@kalielcrawford1511]

Home lander and Maeve are good characters I think kimiko is too but too many characters kinda suck buns now

[@xcxmafai]

A train doesn’t suck sister sage was really cool hughie and his conflicts were cool

[@caseyhart4999]

I also like Kimiko and think it’s really unfortunate that she is basically the punching bag of the boys. Her powers allow the writers to do all the most fucked up and disgusting things they want with little to no consequence. It would be pretty refreshing to see her win a legit fight against another supe just one time lol

[@FanGirl9463]

I’m only watching for Starr and Urban. The performances are amazing. Also season 5 will bring me back for Ackles.

[@davidmoss9943]

Frenchy's scenes were the worst. I skipped almost all of them.

[@jdraven0890]

And sadly, you missed nothing. My issue wasn't with seeing a gay love scene, it was how pointless it was to the overall story.

[@FRCB]

Aside from the cringe shock value scenes and the random Frenchie gay ark. I really enjoyed this season overall.

[@gilzineto]

Random? He's always been bi

[@Giganuga-r7l]

The boys didnt have material for 5 seasons

[@pokekiller787x]

This season is the best season so far. I have not found a single legitimate criticism of this season that isn't people screeching woke from the rooftops.

[@dieu5041]

People liking homelander’s character so much is worrying, most evil human beings have a tragic backstory bruh.

[@Nikolai12]

This show would be mid at best without Homelander. Liking his character and thinking he's a good guy are two completely different things. And A-Train has also killed innocent people and let innocent people die. Billy Butcher killed Mesmer all the way back in season 1 when he didn't really deserve it. The Boys is literally built on having POS characters.

[@litmus7325]

I agree with most of what you said. This season was certainly not trash but as far as writing is concerned it was the weakest so far. It was ALL prep for S5 so I hope it pays off

[@MrBlueski93]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I feel like they benched everyone with any degree of testosterone this season, and packed it full of filler. Frenchie's "big gay summer" came out of nowhere and it seemed like it reversed he and Kimiko's development, considering they'd come to terms with what they were already. Also, they expect me to believe that the formerly trafficked child soldier went to bed with some rando from Starbucks? Get real. And the Shining Liberation stuff lead nowhere. Butch was an invalid for most of it and his character's internal conflict seemed forced to me. Also, his powers are terrifying, but I liked the Homelander parallel better. MM is routinely humiliated and I hate that considering how badass he was in the comics. He's always getting jizzed on and assaulted, but noone is running to his rescue, only Hughies. Hughie is an insufferable beta and I cannot stand him. He's this spineless simp for starlight, who used to be great, but now she's this exceedingly arrogant career activist that hates the world. Zero optimism from her. She used to be refined if not a little jaded, but she was still a beacon of purity and hope despite her flaws. Also, hot take, but despite A-Trains popularity, he should be dead. It would have landed narratively for him to die tragically when he murdered Blue Hawk, seeking redemption the only way he knows how. Instead, hes back and his heart isn't giving him trouble anymore, because with him around the writers don't have to think as hard. Also, Sage is on fraud watch, because so far all she's done is pass herself around The Seven and assume responsibility for the current shitshow with zero explaination. Its like I burn your house down cooking you food, and then brag about how it was always my plan for you to purchase a new house with the insurance money.

[@RealLifeRyan]

Thank you for the support! 🙏

[@drewskiee9254]

The season was great. I have a disdain for extremists from both ends. So watching them go at it was fun to see.

[@enricobersani8948]

I haven't seen S4 yet but it felt to me that the writing quality dropped significantly after season 1

[@BrainstormJr]

This season was laughingly awful, except for the Soldier Boy cameo

[@N7gamer1337]

Hughie going through all that bullshit then getting flak from Starlight really infuriated me

[@Nutbag517]

The Boys is definitely at it's best when using the shocking gore to add to characters, like they did in episode 4. At surface level it's just Homelander torturing a bunch of people in horrible ways, but everything he does to them is supported by a story that tells us something about him. Pain, embarrasment, fear, etc. I get the urge to make episodes like the V'd up farm animals going ballistic. Sure. That's pretty fun and terrifying. But that episode in particular just felt tame when following something like E4. Nothing really happened to the characters, other than Butcher going a step further in his evil plan.

[@Shoutatclouds]

The boys season 4: a review Ideas 7 Execution 2 Anomalous factor -100 The boys season 4 is a pile of hot garbage for 90% of its running time. Most episodes follow this formula. Light Plot %5 Total time waste 85% Garbage polictal message 5% Actaul relavent Plot 5% You could have an episode last under 8 mins and it would be functionally identical. First 3 mins and last 5 basically cover it all. Characters-delivery They have turned into chaticatires of themselves. Mother always nodding head and talking out the side of his mouth Hughie always super compassionate followed by turbo gore Starlight scowling and shocked. Butcher...just terrible. Characters- written Very good. Homelander demonstrates he is in love with himself rather than Ryan and that he is a child in his execution and planning Butcher. Fails to live up to what his wife wants and manages to start a genuine redemption Ryan. Echos of his father and mother are battling. Deep. Just great. Last episode sets things in motion and leave wanting more, good cliffhanger. Shame about 90% though.

[@chumorgan443]

After the table incident. It would be a long time before Hueie would want to be touched again. But he got over it really quickly. Bad writing 😊

[@alvinmerlos2561]

I see you’re a man of culture with the Vagabond and Vinland Saga collection 👀 also agreed on feeling mixed on this season!

[@swiggydswirl330]

Imo Sage, A-Train, and the MCs struggles with their identity/ moral compasses, inducing cognitive dissonance were a highlight of the season for me. I wish I cared for Homelander's development more but I genuinely loss so much interest with the plot most times he was on screen. Season 4 was definitely my least favorite season thus far. However, it left off on a pretty climactic note which got me excited for next season.

[@xcxmafai]

Home lander was great

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

Deep was great, as usual

[@manuelk1853]

Honestly, I started to really hate Starlight.

[@remixisthis]

This season started so trash and turned SO good. I’m impressed with how they keep things fresh and use different powers and angles to keep things exciting. Marvel can learn a lot from them. I don’t mind the political stuff, but it needs to be funny! It wasn’t funny at all in the start and heavy handed, but got a little better as it went on

[@beks3908]

The only good episode is the last one

[@shin267]

Episode 4?

[@charliipresley]

Get ready for “The Boys: Season 5, Part 1”

[@KWD423]

I agree with your assessment, this season definitely felt more chaotic and not as character driven. I was especially disappointed with Hughie and Starlight’s storyline. Frenchie’s and Kimiko’s was just kinda boring.

[@personperson573]

Chaotic equates to having more going on in its story and focusing on in the characters. Okay...😂😂

[@KWD423]

@@personperson573 It was chaotic in a bad way. The characters were all over the place and it felt like development from previous seasons was just thrown out the window. I mean how many times do we have to watch Butcher try to be good and then turn bad again. It gets old.

[@personperson573]

@@KWD423 Ehh I guess but again that's just kind of a question for the whole show. Plus that complaint has been brought up time and time again and ik this is a bit simplistic to say but why would you still be here if the cycle was boring? And lemme be real I've seen way worse seasons of TV get glazed...so I'm still not about it.

[@nuncasaberas5926]

"We will make america super again." Subtle.

[@urxx6957]

so far 10 min in, you articulate all the problems perfectly. ty

[@Shane-ed6mu]

For me its really had some of the best, and some of the best and worst plots/events in the entire series so far in my opinion. I found the whole tech knight and Hughie thing in really bad taste, while at the same time his fathers death after being given V hit really hard for me personally. I dont have a problem with Frenchie being Bi, but his realtationship with Collin just felt really out of nowhere. It wouldve been a bit better if they hadnt done le dirty while Frenchie knew he was the one that killed his fucking parents lmao. Ive also found that Homelander, and Buchers scenes in general have been damn near perfect ngl. Overall id say its been a good season, but they dropped the ball with some of the subplots, and i feel like Frenchie and Starlights characters (ironically) were assassinated this season

[@cartoonfan959]

Erin Moriarity getting that stupid plastic surgery is so distracting every scene she is in

[@fast.food.ninjalarry954]

This show got boring after season 2. The whole game of cat and mouse wich at the end of every season they fight homelander and then magically something happens and they all escape it got boring. Homelamder became kinda like Team Rocket 😅

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

I liked the ending of this season cause it didnt have a big fight with homelander. The boys lost, butcher is fully diabolical. I had the issue with season 2 of alot of plot armor. S3 atleast they had temp v so it makes sense why they live thru alot

[@enzoofelba]

This show dropped off harder than the plane that Homelander crashed

[@marywinchester1322]

Agreed! Wasn't happy with this season, and I don't see myself rewatching this series. However, I hope they do better with season 5. More story and less shock value.

[@BertleMcGertle]

You missed Victoria Newman and Mallory dying.

[@anthonybeam8003]

I dont think itll take 3 years The writers strike slowed everything down Probably June 2025 is my guess

[@shadow6024]

Was defiantly a mixed bag for me... honestly felt like they could of wrapped the show up in this season with 10 epsides and dropping some stuff. But still excited for the finale season tho