The Case of Tori Stafford

[@nerissaxx4548]

"im not gonna be able to have a life" she didn't even get to start hers.

[@GoogleUser-wy2vv]

They threw away her life and their own.

[@frankmarano1118]

If I was that cop I'd have immediately jumped down his throat for that. I'd have said, "Man that was quite the freudian slip. An honest, non guilty person wouldve at least mentioned how badly they felt for the victim, & that their own suffering was nothing compared to what she went through. But you? Your worst nightmare is all about how you cant drive around & do stuff anymore? Without so much as a THOUGHT for this little girl who was... Wow you truly have no empathy for anyone but yourself & I'm more sure then ever that you're the one I'm looking for.."

[@scorpion-lg4ic]

Hearing that come out of his mouth made me so angry!!! As a parent, heck as just a human being, I wish someone would take him out in jail!!!

[@whatevernevermind5960]

Great profile pic btw

[@frankmarano1118]

@@fireandice6805 ? What the hell are you talking about? I never mentioned anything that you are even talking about lol. That isnt a B & an E & yes that is mr raferty? Wtf? Lmao

[@twochins79]

Anyone that targets children should be dispatched immediately. Period.

[@supastar25]

The fact he's just sat there wrapped in a blanket and almost being coddled into talking is disgusting...what a piece of shit

[@littlevirus168]

YES. Or tortured for years before being put down

[@lizzyd5173]

@@supastar25 disgusting

[@tickledtoffee]

@Ten too what?

[@larryroyovitz7829]

@Ten too You're so high you can hear pudding.

[@karenpusateri5101]

I never saw a couple have a fight during a press conference.

[@barbararamos4618]

It was a whole experience, felt really enriching for the perception of chsracter

[@AnthonyTyger]

Like, I understand both sides here... but wow... dude just *vents* on live camera about the way someone else is grieving... in public. It's sad, and it sucks... but also people all grieve in their own way, in their own time. He abandoned his daughter for the majority of her life and then has the gall to call out Tara who has been accused, hounded, and treated poorly, when she can't seemingly cry on command?

[@shanefsr6609]

I liked it, momma held her own and daddy made a jackass of himself, I like the fact she wasnt going to let the media dictate her emotions simultaneously and CALMLY and articulately let the media know she wasnt going to stand for the media to conduct a court of public opinion based on her emotional response

[@sylvia106]

That was like a comedy skit.

[@heatherbukowski2102]

yeah he was obviously and rightfully really emotional but that doesn't mean you lash out at how others are dealing w/ the situation

[@Ahmad67475]

I just watched Celina’a video about how the murderer also stalked her! I can’t imagine the guilt! My heart breaks for the Tori and her loved ones❤

[@Megan-rr6qg]

I watched this when it came out but felt the need to rewatch after watching her video today.

[@Ahmad67475]

@@Megan-rr6qg same!

[@NelehLove9313]

I just came here from that video... I had no idea...

[@furygeist]

Same! Just came from that video!

[@monicaplace930]

Yes me to! I just found celinas video on this and it had me in tears because I have 2 little girls as well and it was just so so sad. I love celinas videos and I really felt for her and tori and torii family❤

[@user-mb3dx5fl9f]

At this point That Chapter feels like a never-ending journey between Ontario, Florida, Texas, and California.

[@CactusPlant818]

I live in Ontario Canada it's kind of interesting to see someone else's take on cases that are so well known here in Canada

[@marys3127]

😀😀😀😀😀

[@clairebyrne1725]

Can not get enough of Mike out

[@andiiam8145]

Don't forget Alaska.

[@JerseyDevilJerseyGirl]

@John Barber That’s literally what I’m gonna call it now 😂

[@giselegallie7893]

The detective that interrogated Terri Lynn and ultimately located Tori was Detective Jim Smyth who also conducted that spectacular interrogation on Russell Williams.

[@janoke1098]

Who’s Russell Williams

[@bruhh6385]

@@janoke1098 watch this channels video on him, truly disturbing yet interesting

[@yesiamsharon]

Wow! I didn't catch that. Awesome fact

[@HappyHarryHardon]

@@janoke1098 Got a map?

[@alanab9674]

Gisele Gallie... So glad you noted about Jim Smyth. FBI and other interrogators around the world study his interro- gation methods with Russell Williams.

[@corinacerbu8266]

It disgusts me how he’s sitting there in a corner with his blanket. Vulnerability is different. Tori was vulnerable. He’s weak and pathetic.

[@sunshine3914]

Just reached the part where he’s placing the blanket over him. It’s got my bp so high, that I’ll have to delay watching the ending for a few days.

[@Malcolmblacc]

It’s got me heated too, and the way he cries like a baby when he took a baby’s life is infuriating. Imagine how much tori was crying and he think we’re gonna feel bad for a grown man crying. Wel I don’t even really wanna call him a man, a little boy. I’ve never seen something so infuriating and the fact that he refused to even say anything is insane like dude you’ve been caught , you’re not leaving. You might as well let out the details because when the public finds out it’s gonna be 10X worse when the people in jail see him on the news for hurting a little girl. You know he’s not gonna be popular in there

[@leetheflea4096]

Jim Smyth was truly a hero when he told him to get rid of his security blanket and act like a man.

[@SweetTooth8989]

Absolutely right. He's a sick *uck and his day will come and it won't be pretty. If you watch the full interview, one of the interviewer tells him to be a man and stop crying and get rid of his security blanket. JCS has a good take on this interview.

[@Opomax]

He was withdrawing from Oxycodone in that interrogation. I advise you watch the JCS video on this case, it shows most of his interrogation, and how after they realised he wasn't going to tell them anything they just started verbally attacking his character and to make him as uncomfortable as possible.

[@saul1001]

The detective who brings Terri in at the end is Staff Sergeant Jim Smyth who got the killer colonel Russell Williams to confess. He's outstanding when interrogating these pieces of s**t, it's enjoyable to watch him at work.

[@MakerInMotion]

That interrogation should be shown to every detective in training. Russell Williams strolled into that room thinking he was untouchable and the detective deflated him like a balloon.

[@k.e.therapy6239]

Yesssssssss I knew I knew that soft confident Canadian accent and beautiful bald spot. I want this guy on my case

[@kriskrissss]

Didn't know it was the same guy. I love the Canadian style of interrogation, polite but Calculated and effective.

[@mattbarneveld815]

While there can be no doubt Staff Sergeant Jim Smyth has had some stellar career moments, it should also be remembered that his interrogation method was highly criticised by one Judge in a case against alleged baby killer Cory Armishaw. Armishaw's confession, obtained by Smyth, was ruled inadmissible as it was judged that Smyth had violated the suspect's Charter Rights during the interrogation. As there was no other evidence against Armishaw, once the confession was ruled out, the prosecution was abandoned and Armishaw was acquitted.

[@yvonnecortes_]

@@k.e.therapy6239 “beautiful bald spot” 😂😂

[@MichaelNealeYT]

Always breaks my heart to see a child get punished for being naturally trusting. There's some real monsters in this world

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Adults get punished 80% of the time for being to trusting. Ive had family and decade long friends screw me over. You have to talk to your kids early that the real monsters are does who look normal and trick you by distracting you with kindness. My school has a sheet of who's allowed to pick the child up and need written permission if anyone else does for that day.

[@Patrick44300]

@@moxiemaxie3543 you’re so right! Teach them early… sad to say but even if it’s family members

[@moxiemaxie3543]

@@Patrick44300 its usually a family member, member of the church or family friend. Questioning a lived one means you've fell for it too so people don't want to believe it when it happens :/. Ive seen it personally and watched childhood friends go through it with their uncles. Parents defend their brother over the child

[@edoboleyn]

@@moxiemaxie3543 You’re right to be careful. I always remember something said during an interview of a psychiatrist who worked with sex offenders in a Texas prison: “I cannot be certain my children are completely safe unless they are with my wife or myself.”

[@philiptucker7590]

The greatest monsters walk on 2 legs and pass you everyday in the streets. This story and the Star Wars girl hit break my heart….I can’t believe they abducted, raped, and brutally killed that little girl who totally trusted and loved them 😭

[@ypcomchic]

That dad just thinking she’s talking about him. They can’t stop fighting even when their daughter is missing.

[@SteelCentaur]

And here's the kicker: the troglodyte only drew even more suspicion on himself by reacting in that manner, taking police attention away from the true culprits. What a disaster.

[@wynncrmll5]

He didn’t do right by his daughter, was feeling guilty and tried to flip it and make her feel bad

[@colinhunter1954]

Neither of her "parents" deserved to have a child like Tori. I hope the little angel can rest in peace.

[@danip2476]

i cant believe he had the audacity to make it about himself and came to that conclusion

[@Lord3nder]

They were under a TON of stress.

[@ryanturner9509]

He was worried about losing his life??? He didn't give a shit about the life Tori should have enjoyed. Monsters!

[@cesarincamendozaloyola4407]

He was afraid of the "unwritten law" against pervert monsters in prison.

[@Audrey-s5t]

My thought exactly when he said that.

[@Treesandgrass1030]

This is the part that got me.

[@pietropes1322]

Hope he gets a heavy dose of Karma inside.

[@fiery_scream]

Predators are always like that. When I finally cut off the asshole who groomed me, he said I "ruined his life" *eyeroll*. Of course he was the victim, not the child he traumatized for life /s. edit: obviously *murder* is even more horrible! I'm just saying there's a similar attitude.

[@thecoffeeman65]

As the father of a 22 year old daughter, also living in Ontario; I would just like to let Mr Rafferty know there wouldn’t be enough prisons or guards to save you. It would be my life long mission to find you and exact street justice properly. It would be slow, painful, and utterly joyful. I would then inform the proper authorities and do my time like a man, sleeping like a baby knowing that POS was held accountable.

[@fredricksmith-something.2125]

Absolutely

[@officeofqueenbee]

I hear you.

[@traceyh7151]

Your response is exactly what goes through my head every time a child is hurt. I'd wait patiently for my revenge and when it happened it would be worth ever dam minute spent waiting. Anyone hurt my children they'd pay severely then I'd serve my time knowing I'd done right by my babies (even though they are now nearly adults? 💙💞

[@tqsuited]

Do you mean killing him? Or just assault. It's not worth going to jail for, to kill him.. he's already locked up and out of society. Assault however, as long as you don't go too nuts and just inflict some pain.. i could get behind more.

[@traceyh7151]

@ceroVK what's funny? Inappropriate much!!!

[@bonz424]

This interrogator has done most of the big cases in Ontario. He's amazing.

[@empac8631]

Detective Jim Smyth. He’s the man.

[@abelis644]

@@empac8631 If you're interested, the "Behavior Panel" here on KZbin interviewed Jim Smyth recently. They are 4 experts who analyze body language etc. They had done a video on the Russell Williams interrogation and were so impressed with Smyth they decided to have him on. The interview was excellent imho.

[@empac8631]

@@abelis644 yeah the Russel Williams video I specifically remember taking note of how he legit copies every movement “Russ” does to trick his mind into believing he’s an ally psychology

[@SsnakeBite]

I like that he's being firm, but not aggressive. A lot of cops act like they need to scare the interviewee into confessing, which shock of shocks leads to a lot of false confessions. But this one in addressing the suspect in a way that lets them know that lying, one way or the other, would only get them into more trouble. He's not lying about having evidence he doesn't either (another "trick" that leads to false confessions). He's just sitting with him, laying down the facts, making it clear that the jig is up and letting him know that now's the time to do the right thing and that he should either seize it or face the consequences.

[@lizwilson3609]

I love how he brought the girl in the room that was great

[@brali1717]

What a coward, he even has the voice of a coward. You wanna just jump through the screen and choke him. He was just denied parole and I heard he was having a really hard time while incarcerated for what it’s worth.

[@polarbearsrus6980]

Awesome, hope he has numerous shower buddies.

[@DNAsGhostzHouze]

I hope there's a Snickers on his pillow everyday for the rest of his miserable life.

[@polarbearsrus6980]

@@DNAsGhostzHouze I hope there's no soap on a rope for the rest of his miserable life, lol!!!

[@fraser281]

Nope. He was not denied parole. Not even eligible for 25 years... but he is in a minimum security prison specializing in sex offenders... a

[@MarieB21]

I heard that he extorted money from his own mother and that caused her to have a heart attack and die. 😭

[@Cwn41]

Bringing Terri into the room was a power move and I respect the hell out of it

[@A6Legit]

If he honestly thought she was lying, he would have confronted her immediately. Then again he's a spineless piece of trash so maybe not? They called his bluff and he failed so miserably trying to keep up the act.

[@Scorch428]

@@A6Legit Well, hes right to think that they might, because police lie all the time. I wouldnt believe them either sitting in his position. Thats what lawyers are for. Have them get the info on your case for you. He was giving off major guilt vibes tho. Guilty people often just repeat " I didnt do it" over and over again cus they dont want to say anything more. Innocent people explain specifically why it couldnt have been them and offer to answer all questions & challeneges.

[@A6Legit]

@@Scorch428 Oh I agree that i wouldn't trust interrogators, but hes saying "SHE" is lying. If he thought the interrogators were lying he would say something like "she didnt say that" etc. He went straight to denying what he knows she would have said if she told them the truth (or parts of it) After all the crime videos ive seen i dont think i would talk even if i was innocent. Nothing you say will help your legal defense. Idk man, if for some reason I decided to talk to try and HELP the police, im pretty sure i would just keep repeating that i didnt do it lol. Most of the time in these interrogations the cops have already made up their mind and they just keep asking the same questions different ways hoping you make a "mistake", which reinforces their belief that you are guilty. He certainly didnt try to refute their claims, but thats probably a good thing for his legal defense. Not that it mattered in the long run here...

[@A6Legit]

@@Scorch428 For example, when they ask what you did on a specific day and or time... If its longer than a week I would have no fucking idea what I did. I barely know the current day of the month lol. But you know it automatically seems "suspicious". Theres no winning an interrogation lol. The way you win is not participating.

[@insomnimom]

I couldn't help but notice she already had braids...

[@ZombieSazza]

Know what I hate about cases like this, besides the obvious? That it could’ve been stopped at any time, Terry claiming she was scared, forced etc etc, she went into Walmart for a period of time to collect items, which she could’ve stopped and called the police telling them her boyfriend had a kidnapped child, she didn’t have to coerce the child and walk with Tori, she could’ve told the police the morning before any of this happened and how he wanted to kidnap a child, Terry could’ve stopped this at any time, yet went through with it, never stopped to think, and then put on fake tears like she was the victim in all of this. It’s just rage inducing.

[@Harrisean]

Boy, oh boy, now THAT was a press conference! Never seen anything like that.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

I'm waiting for the sequel, where they have make up sex during a press conference. 😜

[@AnthonyTyger]

Like, I understand both sides here... but wow... dude just *vents* on live camera about the way someone else is grieving... in public. It's sad, and it sucks... but also people all grieve in their own way, in their own time. He abandoned his daughter for the majority of her life and then has the gall to call out Tara who has been accused, hounded, and treated poorly, when she can't seemingly cry on command?

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@AnthonyTyger That was shity and hypocritical to be sure. If that's the extent of their boundaries and self control on national TV, imagine behind the scenes on a bad day.

[@jessicajujubean5004]

I almost expected them to start fighting while people chanted "jerry jerry"

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@jessicajujubean5004 Oh I did think of Jerry... and a trailer... and a big trash can. 😆

[@zardoz_ii2061]

You should do these in a black turtleneck. Just a floating head and hands. Try it. Give it a gooo.

[@brandonsmith1647]

Best comment ever!!!

[@nicbro3831]

Oh my gods that's the video I need

[@jasonnewman8440]

He has... and he was, just a floating head. Check out his early, early episodes 🤣

[@alleyway2]

🤣🤣

[@charliestout2815]

Ive had this sane thought for every episode

[@expectingthebeach2368]

Beyond vile, that poor babygirl. Seeing a kid get led away like that literally turns my stomach..the fact she trusted. No sentence is justice enough for what they did to her. Sorry for the family, RIP angel Tori

[@jackselle4607]

So glad they put Terrylynn back to rot behind bars...

[@druchampion-payne1489]

Yes ...read your comment my thoughts exactly ...hard to wrap my mind around this guy and his 'girlfriend' they're both so revolting & evil.

[@Rdwrer]

The death sentence is justice in this case, though it may never seem enough to her family. There is no doubt they deserve to be put down.

[@superwildside4585]

so your stomach physically turned in your belly? You might want to have a doctor get a 'Look see" at that .

[@swallowedinthesea11]

They should be Blood Eagled. Now they get free food and medical care.

[@kalinepereira1619]

"Terry-lynn is a liar" then cutting to terry entering the room and the *silence* 😂 editing gold!

[@dianemarie-is9qx]

If I were innocent, the first words coming out of my mouth to her would be “why did you tell the police that I did that?”…. Detective work is so interesting. They followed them the entire way through the public cameras

[@julailahlucker]

This case makes me sick. Can't imagine how terrified Tori must have felt throughout. RIP, Tori 💔

[@KC-lz9qg]

I love your comment because sometimes I forget that, I often watch these videos true crime videos for information/entertainment!?! Ugh But I do really hope that I learn something, so if it ever happens close to me . . . maybe I could make a difference. That said, I do still feel guilty sitting comfortably at home, watching other people's tragedies.

[@donniedarko2815]

@@KC-lz9qg you’re a mindless robot

[@sallysorrentino4013]

Ur right its literally sickening I think one of the worse cases I've ever seen

[@pineapplesideways3820]

I want justice not 25 years

[@tiaan7183]

@@donniedarko2815 How are they a mindless robot?

[@lovingmayberry2000]

The police showing Tori respect by saluting as they take her body away. 😢💙

[@SacredDreamer]

Yeah - slow tears leaked out of my eyes .. and now I'm crying again just remembering that image 😭

[@kit-qw4oz]

The parents arguing during an interview was so difficult to watch. Esp knowing they were innocent & knowing they'd soon be grieving their daughter. Imagine your child missing, wondering you'll ever see them again- if they're hurt etc, emotions high, not knowing who you can trust, not knowing if your former spouse & kid's father/mother could be behind your child being missing or not...all while being under a microscope and displayed to the world.

[@Ddub1083]

yeah all that, and still not having the clarity of mind to not argue with your spouse in front of the media. i get they were under pressure, but that marriage was clearly dogshit.

[@cheeriosforhonkies8867]

All that AND drugs, brain damage and a touch of narcissism and boom. You’re imagining correctly

[@j4m32hz6]

I was thinking that too

[@I-am-Veritas]

Its sadly all to common amongst the families of victims of murder. People forget that families are also victims and the pain and loss rips families apart.

[@officeofqueenbee]

I agree. They were dried out with stress. I feel sorry for them

[@Elyse1111]

Watching after Celina’s heartbreaking testimony. 💔

[@nataliehughes6468]

I will NEVER understand how someone can so causally kill a child.

[@jms0313]

Abortion!

[@frankmarano1118]

Its sick

[@Hollylovesgreen]

@@jms0313 lmao not even close

[@jms0313]

@@Hollylovesgreen you are delusional and brainwashed to think any different. Abortion is the killing of a child in the name of convenience. No way to argue your way out of it.

[@nataliehughes6468]

@@jms0313 I can understand your point, but just don't. There are a hundred reasons why a women would have an abortion, like being raped and falling pregnant with their attackers baby. I would rather someone have an abortion than have a child they don't want. A lot of babies are born because of that reason and are not looked after properly.

[@ayla8345]

The parents getting into an argument in front of the press was so awkward

[@MmaLegend420]

Exactly what I thought. That dudes ego is out of control, what a wuss.

[@pcpolice2518]

@@MmaLegend420 wife didn’t seem exactly peachy either tho lol

[@lisa-md9iz]

Completely awkward, but can you imagine the level of frustration, anger and resentment between each of them while experiencing that kind of grief. I know I'd find it hard to keep my composure.

[@rikkivallerie8884]

I feel so bad for the dad

[@MmaLegend420]

@Lux Aeterna Yes I know, I agree. I was putting myself into the position of the man, who while his wife was talking decides to interject as if what she is saying is somehow an attack on him. I interpreted that as incredibly insecure and weak minded. Of course, she's crazy as well, but I spoke from the perspective as a man trying to put myself in his shoes.

[@grumpypumpkin1]

Dude doesn’t want to lose his life, yet hurts a child. I can’t grasp how people are so narcissisticly evil.

[@shamikeatley4760]

...& dont forget...has her killed..or agrees she has to go.... ~so sad...RIP torry, the little angel...

[@abelis644]

@@shamikeatley4760 It's "Tori".

[@sherrymdsrn]

yes and family avenge should be legalized

[@rodragonfly1134]

@@abelis644 ~ spelling police...we knew that.🙄

[@moniemo9721]

Ah heex

[@slapeters2004]

I just realized - the guy playing the role of “bad cop” that comes in around the 21:00 mark, is the same one that interrogated Russell Williams and brought that slime ball to justice. He’s probably one of the best communicators / detectives that there is.

[@janetgood6332]

He is really amazing. I recognized the voice.

[@friscoexpress851]

“Please please don’t send me to prison, I’m too fragile to even be here answering questions w/o cowarding up under a blankie”

[@gdsnuff]

She needs her chicken tendies.

[@19mterry]

Utterly disgusting!

[@ericmorang3903]

She's gonna be someone's favorite in prison!

[@damien1781]

@@19mterry its not disgusting, his actions were disgusting. His after behavior seems typical of a murder in the aftermath of a physcosis and finally realized he mad a huge mistake. His wit, charm, confidente dissapeared when he wasn't ñuring a baby into His web...

[@friscoexpress851]

Feel bad for the mum going broke trying to make prison life easier for the bum…

[@kbf9644]

That poor sweet child. 😔🕯🌺 Cases like this get me feeling very “an eye for an eye”.

[@shannon275]

I totally agree. If someone hurts a child they should be handed over to the parents to do whatever they want back to them.

[@brittanymiller3157]

It really is tough. It helps to remember that we write laws broadly, not case by case. It might be deserved here, but the next person might innocent. It's why I hate the death penalty. It kills everyone. Innocent and guilty. Life in prison is the better solution.

[@technicolorrose5549]

@@brittanymiller3157 that's why there are trials for different cases. To try and determine the best course of action against the defendant. On top of that, the person on death row usually has the right to appeal.

[@brittanymiller3157]

@@technicolorrose5549 They get many appeals. The Innocence Project has saved multiple people who have gone through several different appeals. A father in Texas wasn't so lucky. He was executed after being convicted of setting the fire that he killed his children. The evidence that condemned him is widely considered junk science.

[@brittanymiller3157]

@John Howard One, way ahead of you! Two, I'd rather him be in prison than one more innocent person be killed. And the conservative innocent rate om death row is 4%. That's like running a busload of "killers" off a cliff, instead of keeping them in prison, knowing full well there's 2 innocent people inside. Choices, choices.

[@zacharymorris9917]

The second interrogator is the same guy that cracked Russell Williams.

[@DirkDiggler1620]

Williams interrogation was a good watch, psychology wise.

[@dianneD27]

Oh yer !

[@LeeDee5]

Oh man that PoS! 💩💩💩 (of course I’m referring to Williams)

[@elizabethmcfadden466]

Damn interesting!

[@PoptartParasol]

Hmm i thought I recognized that voice!

[@cecemepls0]

the fact that the parents were literally fighting on LIVE TV and making their daughter’s disappearance about THEMSELVES showed me all I needed to know about how poor Tori’s upbringing was. I haven’t felt that triggered before…it brought me RIGHT back to my childhood. I felt like I was literally seeing her toxic household on film….the aggression, the blaming, the selfishness, and the lack of any emotion other than pure rage. I grew up with addict parents, my mom on pills and my step dad an alcoholic and my heart BREAKS just imagining how this bright little girl felt everyday in her own home and during her own parents’ interactions with each other. As soon as I saw that interview….I KNEW what kind of parents they were. They were more focused on how THEY looked in the media than finding their own child…..disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

[@Tina-vb4te]

Sorry about your childhood, that must have been hard. Hopefully you've used the struggles to be a better person because of it. I also have hard childhood. I've made lemon aid with it and because of my childhood I really like what I've become and use my unhappy memory's as just a scar that fades a little more each year.

[@alyssaheller7860]

Actually, most couples are completely torn apart by experiences like this and turn on each other. Most marriages and relationships dont survive losing à child. Maybe most dont straight up fight like that in front of cameras, but it happens behind closed doors. And all the mother was saying is people respond differently to truamatic stress (and for the record shutting down completely or only showing feelings privately is VERY common) but the dad jumping on her immediately and basically saying that the way he acts is the ONLY correct way to respond and her way isnt supporting their daughter was mean and factually wrong. You cant, no one can, predict or control how they respond emotionally to truamatic stress. Trauma, shock, stress can make a person behave quite bizarrely and nonsensical and that is also normal. It can also take a long time for shock to wear off and just seconds to get effects from shock. The brain literally freaks out and doesnt function properly. Or see or think clearly. Not to mention, most of what people commonly believe about body language has been debunked by psychology and the FBI's behavioral analysis unit. It was cruel what the father did. Esp publicly when the mother clearly was already being publicly judged, attacked, and accused. But this happens to almost every couple in this situation, regardless of how solid and strong or dysfunctional it was before. This is a situation where emotions are so intense and all-consuming that each parent (even if they weren't the best parent(s) or if they are less attentive parents. Or if they are drug addicts or not- which is a treatable medical illness by the way, not à character flaw or moral weakness. It has nothing to do with love) is so consumed with their own pain, they cant even consider the others pain, let alone deal with it or offer them comfort and support. They are literally at their capacity for the pain they can handle. And parents also blame each other and hold resentments over the situation itself. This is almost all parents in situations like this, NOT just bad and selfish parents.

[@piratemousie]

​@@alyssaheller7860 thank you so much for seeing and understanding this e hoa... that poor mother, the father taking his guilt out on her because he KNOWS hes been negligent towards his daughter and now it's too late... Americans really don't seem to understand that addiction and mental illness are both major health issues that require treatment just like cancer does, and have this idea that prison should be about vengeance, not a place where one undoes the damage done to the majority of prisoners since childhood, a place to break the chains of violence, giving help and education and a future, not just for themselves but for future generations. Yes, some people are irredeemably evil, I have to have 5-7 surgeries a year for the past 5 years and for the foreseeable future because of one of them. HOWEVER, the majority of prisoners have been let down by their country and the systems, never getting to mature past the broken children they are. God, I was so pleased to see for once a woman getting the help she needed after doing terrible things, and then they threw her back in jail... it's so short sighted, she committed those crimes before her brain had developed, and been further stagnated by trauma and drugs. She could've used the 25 years before she gets out to become a functional and positive member of society, but because of a fathers guilt for neglecting his child in life, the chance of that has been greatly diminished. 😢 Kia Kaha and Aroha.

[@furygeist]

No wonder she loved butterflies. The freedom they had to have represented to her. That poor child. She deserved better. I wonder if she left with Terri Lynn because Terri feigned interest in her, something Tori likely craved. This is in no way saying Tori was at fault. They targeted whoever was easiest to lure. Tori, unfortunately, was the one they chose to reel in. It's so sad. She had such an awful death, and it saddens me to think she likely wondered if her mom would come save her, did ppl care she was missing, would she ever get away? I wish she had been able to know how much her community cared.

[@bAa-xj3ut]

👍

[@AstonishingRed]

Jim Can’t Swim did an excellent analysis of the interrogation.

[@helolady922]

Link please

[@WSBGurl18]

Yeah he did, extremely good video actually.. I'd definitely recommend watching to those whom have yet to see it

[@SOLOLIKETHECUP212]

I watched it too and JCS never disappoints with his detailed analysis and minute by minute breakdown of an interrogation, absolutely one of the best channels on yt, I just wish they posted more videos though

[@Rob_V_W85]

Jim's interrogation breakdowns are some of the best content on KZbin.

[@SOLOLIKETHECUP212]

@@Rob_V_W85 yes I agree its one of my favorite channels on yt, I just wished they would post more videos

[@annast.germain9522]

I remember being a kid when this happened. I wasn’t allowed to go outside. Her body was found around where I lived. Those two should never be let free.

[@catlady1084]

Homolka was let out. Freak killed her own sister. And she is considered to be a serial killer and a rapist. IMO, if you murder, you should life get life, locked up, period, never to be let out. Freak now has kids.

[@nicolenotizieeamici]

Death penalty should be quick in some cases.

[@victoriad2225]

@@catlady1084 she had a deal which I think deal or not once they saw those videos they should have said too bad deals off.

[@mitchjohnson4714]

On the contrary. I'd love it if they set them free and told everyone where they lived.

[@catlady1084]

@@mitchjohnson4714 Homolka was always found, moved. I think she has her on postal code she travels with now.

[@teresaclift272]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel comforted when they hear mikes voice and hear the familiar music? 🤣😍

[@itsover9280]

Yeah it feel likes home

[@thea1990x]

I watch these vids to help me sleep lol it’s part of my routine

[@TheMrRatzz]

Yeah. We know a brutal murder is coming up.

[@carlossandoval2577]

I feel throbbing underneath my denim but thats about it...

[@msprinsassymichelle3609]

Always...

[@bambieyedd]

The husband making it about him was so strange omfggggg she clearly said something like “theres MOTHERS who drive their kids into a lake and get on the camera crying and it was them the whole time” and the father just completely heard what he wanted to hear like wtf are you talking about sir…that was absolutely insane and uncalled for.

[@LostStarzOfTheSky]

Yeah he just, auto made it an attack on him when SHE DIDN"T EVEN MENTION HIM.

[@PseudoKirby]

Both those people are literally terrible parents

[@benbignards]

He's so disgusting

[@Vistacraft82]

That was painful to watch him take it so personal. Living with such a person can quickly go toxic. And he still gets offended as she walks away.

[@katherinehutton9870]

I think they had a lot of anger because getting of getting no answers and were so stressed, they just turned on each other because they had no place to aim it at.

[@ChiTwnLink]

It’s eerie to think that we walk by people every single day at the store and not realize someone out there is buying something to commit a murder or clean up after a murder. You never know what someone is about. CRAZY!!!

[@allenmostafa9382]

Oh my god, I was thinking the same thing. Like, you could talk to someone in front of you in the grocery line who is buying all what he need to commit a murder.

[@dungeonfrek]

I always state loudly that these cleaning products and garbage bags are NOT murder related necessities.

[@madelinedaigle7598]

Yeah me and my man have a great relationship, 3 kids and a thriving plumbing business. And now I'm gonna feel creeped out every time we go to Lowe's. Thanks, Mike. Lol.

[@madelinedaigle7598]

Also, WHOOP WHOOP ;) DARK CARNIVAL FOR LIFE, YO.

[@burntgrilledcheesie]

Ugh, thought that about the guy just casually standing there in the cctv video where she was taken. Just the worst feeling.

[@jamesgilbert124]

J C S has a fantastic video dissecting Rafferty's interrogation. Definitely worth watching.

[@calonlan]

@Scotts Crime "Jim Can't Swim."

[@calonlan]

I absolutely agree, though I would also warn people who do check it out that it's extremely upsetting to watch the length of that interrogation footage, in particular. I haven't yet played Mike's version of this case (I'm about to), but I doubt he uses the entire footage. The JCS model is very thorough in its analysis, but be aware: if you wanted to gut this man after watching this video you'll want to burn him to ash watching that one.

[@luayaltair]

I couldn’t finish that video and i probably won’t be able to finish this one, keep in mind i watched all of JCS videos but this one was so convoluted and disgusting

[@goblingoochgobbler5759]

@Scotts Crime if you’re at all interested in crime JCS will have you hooked for days man

[@jennajune2101]

Couldn’t agree more with this comment!

[@mina.colada_9293]

so tragic for her. she would have just turned 21 this past july. rip tori ❤️

[@kiara198923]

Wow!

[@luvmibratt]

RIP 💚

[@SarelleSirius]

Can you imagine your kids dad is absent for their entire life then has the NERVE to insult the way you’re reacting emotionally to their disappearance? Holy shit that was the most annoying behavior I’ve ever seen, I truly hope that guy still gets insults in his messages every now and then. He deserves it for his humiliating and uncalled for behavior.

[@oldfort88]

Good afternoon everybody! This one is a stomach turner. It takes someone like Mike to make the story even palletable. Let's give it a gooo. Micheal Rafferty deserves whatever he gets and then some.

[@ThatChapter]

Biggest piece of shit to date!

[@ZombieSazza]

@@ThatChapter so far watching the parents and I’m like “shit, that sounds so similar to my own birth parents”, just only cared themselves, were neglectful, just overall terrible people, extremely abusive… yeah, shite memories coming up!

[@Hollypenopepper]

Too many O's and it's just the long version of the word "go." I think two o's is good for the word "goo ."

[@bigredswife4646]

@@ThatChapter Tori is my neice Tara is my sister Id love to correct some of the inaccurate info you included in tbis... pS: been one of ur subs since way way back when u only had like 10K subs lol

[@Collins1118]

@@bigredswife4646 oh no. So sorry to hear that. What’s one of the biggest inaccuracies?

[@gillianharrison-gates7181]

My cousin was part of the prosecution’s team and never practiced law after. I’m so sorry Tori. You deserved better from the very start

[@technicolorrose5549]

I cannot even imagine. She deserved better indeed. Not going to say anything towards her family though. Because ultimately the killers are those two douche bags. I'm sorry your cousin had to deal with that. No doubt he or she has been seriously affected to this day.

[@OntarioAtOrion]

You mean the crown attorney?

[@robinbank5]

This is the type if case that makes you wish Dexter was real.

[@ocdmusic]

Every town in the world coud use a Dexter!

[@lullebulle2]

Why Dexter when you can have Veruk Assault.

[@SteelCentaur]

He is, but he's Brazilian and his name is Pedro Rodrigues Filho.

[@alex01926]

I own hundreds of acres that pretty well back on to the la macaza prison where Michael Rafferty is housed.

[@terrajack8644]

Right!!!!! Dexter is " cool beans".

[@Megrezz]

We used to play in the bushes at Raffertys house growing up. He was on the opening corner of a cul de sac. I could throw a stone from my front porch and hit his. I walked past it everyday on my paper route. He'd invited me in his house and donated to heart and stroke when I was a kid. I was in 7th grade when this happened and it still haunts me. Her cousin was in my class. This destroyed our community. Still haunts us. May those bastards rot.

[@Squatchmommy]

Michael really had the gall to say his biggest concern is “losing his life”. Pathetic.

[@NikkiC777]

I couldn't believe what I was hearing when he said that.

[@luh962]

The lack of self-awareness with him is both disturbing and pitiful.

[@darkallegiance666]

Really strange how so many murderers, who are so happy to take the lives of others, fear losing their own lives.

[@Nairod2]

text book definition of "Egocentrism"... the universe of those people revolves around them. totally a self centered POS

[@aoutsky]

"taking care of my mom" 🙄

[@chrisrandall2710]

See how those police saluted as they took her body away, poor kid

[@A6Legit]

She was a soldier

[@roxanecrow6300]

That’s how our police honour the innocent.❤️

[@Kelly-jn4cp]

💜

[@knowyourlove5613]

Never saw that before. It choked me up. 🥺😭

[@phoenixdavida8987]

@@roxanecrow6300 well, it IS Canada... thankfully, not some certain OTHER countries...

[@robinmaynard1640]

This was a heartbreaking case. Just pure evil.

[@christinaspeer9744]

I can't stop crying over it!! You're absolutely right! It's heartbreaking and pure evil. Granted, due to my pregnancy, almost everything makes me cry, however; this hits home now. I cannot imagine losing a child in this horrific way or any way at all! I'm not as emotional with murders of adults as I am with murders of children. They're so innocent and young with their whole lives ahead of them. She was a baby! 😭 omg now I'm crying again!!

[@Skyrilla]

Evil only exists in black and white fantasy comic books.

[@sinijasani5429]

And they way they killed her, with a hammer.. 😖

[@jamieangel3766]

I was laughing at the composite sketch until I saw Terri-Lynn's face, it was actually quite accurate

[@jimmckay2337]

I also let out a chuckle, but then my jaw dropped at how accurate it was.

[@KnottyCeltic]

There was another person of interest who the image looks like even more. In hindsight the image was made from an arrest photo of the person of interest, not exclusively of McClintic.

[@jamieangel3766]

@@KnottyCeltic was it the mum? She looked kind of similar to Terri-Cloth

[@KnottyCeltic]

@@jamieangel3766 no, it was a friend of the mom Tara. I've racked my brain to think of her name but it eludes me atm. She moved away from the city after all the hubbub of people thinking it was her in the sketch. The sketch was right down to the hairline and way in which her hair grew from her hairline. It was obvious that the sketch was made, at least in part, from a photo of her and there were definitely similarities between her appearance and Terri-Lynne McClintic but the similarity to the friend was undeniably due to the photo and quite a few mentions of her name.

[@jamieangel3766]

@@KnottyCeltic That's really interesting, thanks for the info! Didn't know about that

[@Lorisa25]

For anyone talking about the parentis fighting. In-fighting between married or divorced couples when a child goes MIA is VERRY common. They blame each other for XYZ. Married couples have a high rate or getting divorced after a child dies b/c they can't forgive the other for letting them sleepover or stoping to get gas, any small thing that 'led to' the child dying.

[@Lucysays]

Knowledgeable comment ! About frickin time. I almost strangled my husband trying to put a BBQ together. I’m not gonna imagine what a tragedy like a missing kid would do to our infighting.

[@dariolivaja978]

Very*

[@gristamshackleford2102]

yea but they on TV they shouldve showed some restraint. they were already talking about the rumour mill. im sure that made it a million times worse

[@aoutsky]

You are absolutely right. No parent is better than the other here.

[@biggiechungus784]

That's really sad... People getting divorced, when in reality there probably isn't much that could've been done to stop it

[@stevemchale9775]

There's some new outrage. Recently discovered he's only in a medium security prison. Canada's justice system has always been laughable

[@abebuckingham8198]

What do you think the difference is exactly? They're almost identical but the medium security prisons require less staff which keeps costs down. I don't see why we should be paying more to house a guy in maximum security when he's going to be in solitary confinement for the rest of his life anyway.

[@kickinwinghotboi883]

His dad and another family member i believe are trying to petition to get him back into the max security prison

[@stevemchale9775]

@@abebuckingham8198 comfort and privileges are the difference between the two which he deserves neither. I'm just repeating what I read recently. I've been in a medium security prison decades ago.

[@heathernikki5734]

@@kickinwinghotboi883 his own dad? Lol

[@kickinwinghotboi883]

@@heathernikki5734 Yes lol. I'm dead serious. His own father and like an uncle or something are trying to get him moved back to the max security

[@hootax8980]

Listening to that guy whining about losing the ability to have a life if he goes to prison when he KILLED A CHILD is so close to sending me into a rage. What a POS

[@fifedogg511]

He's the kinda person you hope in that dark spot deep down that prison justice that happens usually for these crimes happens

[@williamwallaceoftheus8033]

He’s the kind of person that wishes he could get a taste of Texas justice

[@conqururfear2]

Totally I almost can't watch these stories because it makes me too mad. Can't help but get emotionally involved.

[@chrismanspeaker9372]

@@williamwallaceoftheus8033 nah. In Texas he'd be isolated and on death row for a few decades. Up there, he isn't isolated and is in constant fear. A better sentence if you ask me.

[@SpectraFlora]

Revisiting this case after watching celinaspookyboo’s most recent video. My heart breaks for this town.

[@bryceharper446]

These ppl are shocking so concerned with their life after they took someone else’s, an 8 yr old.

[@A6Legit]

Its almost like they never heard of consequences or the legal system. Crazy.

[@matThaHatter]

Sacks of shit can only think of how to smell better. Hope they get the Dahmer treatment.

[@sherrymdsrn]

@@matThaHatter exactly, also decriminalize family vengeance

[@matThaHatter]

@@sherrymdsrn 🤣🤣🤣. For real though. This is like an "I'd get sent to the joint just to find you" situation.

[@zharper1989]

@@A6Legit they got it easy too! If you live in Canada feel free to merc and rapppppeeeeee ppl you just have to claim your indigenous

[@EmilyBeaulieu]

Love how she's crying yet went and bought the supplies at Walmart like SERIOUSLY!!!!!

[@xoxpinkprincess]

*Home Depot

[@Lollita23]

She actually killed her btw!

[@hoojiiiii]

@@Lollita23 how do you know?

[@hoojiiiii]

Official story is that Michael did it

[@Lollita23]

@@hoojiiiii I don’t have the link but just google it. There’s a very in depth article about everything that really happened. It’s very hard to read. But she is absolutely a massive POS just like him. Repugnant!

[@Greenmountainferns]

“There was an incident with a dog and a microwave”…. I’m glad you did not clarify that any further. Another fantastic video as always!

[@J_Lynn]

there's not much more to clarify, tbh. Trash human, where she belongs. Let's hope her parole hearing goes miserably if she even lives that long.

[@jessicajujubean5004]

That's as heinous as the murder is

[@criticalmak5329]

They put the dog in the microwave. No offense but you appear to have the worst imagination of any person I've ever met.

[@farmgal77]

@@criticalmak5329 er yeah I think we all knew what it meant, no need to be a smart arse 🙄 🤡

[@criticalmak5329]

@@farmgal77 Just like there was no need for your admonishment? Live by your own rules?

[@Miss_Meee]

I didn't know that Celina Spooky Boo was tied to this case, too. Just watched her stalker story about this guy... so very scary and sad.

[@petitechaos883]

I don’t understand how people can be so vile and pure evil like this sometimes. Like this child did nothing wrong to ever deserve this. The older I get, the more emotional i get when hearing about crimes involving children, animals, and the elderly.

[@tickledtoffee]

Same here, those cases get to me. Monsters often prey on those most vulnerable.

[@oren1305]

We don't understand it, because we don't have an attraction to children, and we aren't completely destructive, selfish people. Most people have empathy, and don't do such horrible things. Poor Tori, she could have been saved.

[@inthenameofjesus9330]

Me too

[@elduderino7767]

psychopaths, they are 5% of the population, you might have one in your family or maybe a friend, these people are intra-species predators do you now understand how this is possible, i wouldn't call them human exactly but maybe they qualify as people what worries me about this is how people can't understand it, if you don't understand it then how do you know when you are talking to one, they bank on your ignorance

[@joeyj6808]

Nobody ever deserves this. The human garbage who were responsible should be kept UNDER the prison.

[@mustangnawt1]

That press conference. Never seen anything like it

[@mikaelafox6106]

When the hearse drove out of that backcountry lane, all I could think of was how scared Tori must’ve been when the killers drove her down it. Rest in blessed peace, little one.

[@moserfugger6363]

She was probably already dead when they drove there. Doesn't make it better, but the facts are still the facts.

[@mikaelafox6106]

@@moserfugger6363 Well yes but that’s just speculation. Those two idiots wouldn’t be able to tell the full truth if they tried.

[@biaedwards4025]

Thank you Mike: I knew about the crime, but never saw the toxic interaction between the parents or the interrogations. Also, the failure related to the Amber alert. Tori was such a lovely kid, loved esp. by her gran and brother.

[@carbon-based-lifeform9172]

To be fair the amber alert wouldnt have accomplished anything because she was already dead

[@pauljuliano6676]

Me on the composite sketch: oh come on, who looks like that? Also Me when Terri Lynn's face is shown: Well ill be damned.

[@zukanye.s]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@magneticflux7833]

Looked like her. God it was wierd. Even her old man calling her out. The press conference was wierd.

[@StainsStainsStains]

Isn’t this the exact comment on the jcs video of this case?

[@comeatmebro8120]

Chick looks like an anteater

[@PushyPushyPhoenix]

@@StainsStainsStains Where's that video? I really want to see it.

[@neneshubby]

Poor little girl never had a chance. Doesn’t look like mom and dad are exactly up for parents of the year either.

[@talpamorales4510]

Right I was thinking the same thing but now she’s with our father in heaven. May Tori Rest In Peace.

[@TahtahmesDiary]

Agreed, mom had issues and dad seems like he’s trying harder after death than he did during life.

[@chrismorrison8551]

Put the blame where it belongs, on the perpetrators Terri-Lynn and Michael, not the victims.

[@chadcuckproducer1037]

Nobody knows how they will react in this situation. Normal psychologically healthy people arent on drugs. And those that seek out methadone treatment are at least making an effort.

[@jokerking5858]

@@chrismorrison8551 if her mom doesnt doing crack, these sicko don't know tori exist tho

[@mimimoon9313]

The microphones shoved into the face of that grieving family as they fought with each other was so sad to see

[@MrNobody91]

@8:25 wow, that dad seemed kinda self centered right there. If he really took what she said as an attack to him, then he really must not understand at all what she’s saying. Like how in tf did he listen to that and take that that way? And also starting the argument almost making it seem like he doesn’t trust her or something is weird af too. Like dude, your daughter is missing, yes, we hear you saying that, but instead you’re starting arguments with your wife on tv smh. Like a time and a place bud…

[@ladyhonor822]

They are both clueless individuals.

[@z.c.m9908]

Well let this be a lesson that different personalities deal with difficult situations differently... Tori's mother Tara was being crucified for not crying in front of the media and she was innocent.

[@earlrobinsoncrewse82]

So right, and let's not forget the absentee father who did cry felt like that should make of for 9 years

[@PazuzuM666]

The mother annoyed me as much as the killers nearly. Who can NOT be in tears when their child is missing?

[@daisymazie9642]

@@PazuzuM666 a lot of people. My precious son passed away 10 years ago and at his funeral I was dry eyed. I don’t know why. I was calm and spoke briefly to everyone in the receiving line. The next week, I was in so much grief that I was admitted to the psych ward of the hospital. Everyone is different. A person should not be judged by how much emotion they show in tragic circumstances.

[@StarlitGlitch]

What’s the name of that classic (French?) book with the main character Somersault who in the beginning doesn’t cry at his mother’s funeral and that’s used against him in a different, unrelated trial?

[@fat_old_sun]

@@StarlitGlitch Stranger by Camus?

[@DdOommmmm]

I know this case all too well, watched both interrogations all the way through. There isn't a low enough depth of hell for these 2.

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

Did u watch the video JCS criminal psychology? The full interview was on there. Its absolutely disgusting what they did to her.

[@fetus2280]

Didnt the Behavior Panel do this case too ? I know ive watched all of the interrogations of these 2, not exactly sure on where though, it has been a few days if you will

[@DdOommmmm]

@@julietteoscaralphanovember2223 Yeah that's it, scary to think that people can be so twisted and cruel. Rip Tori

[@FinnishLapphund]

Terri-Lynne's on and off crying in the interrogation room supports, in my opinion, exactly what the mother said in the interview, about that crying in front of "audience" (/cameras) definitely doesn't prove your innocence.

[@Amoreyna]

Yep. No matter her flaws she was absolutely 100% right on that. Whether or not one's weeping hysterically/crying for cameras or not doesn't mean one is guilty or innocent. I can't believe the father made it all about him during that press conference because it was obvious she wasn't referring to him, just her frustration at the expected response and the treatment she got.

[@TS-rd7oy]

People expect women to act in certain stereotypical ways and when women don't, they are chastised. Don't others know how women can use tears to manipulate? Especially manipulate males?

[@TS-rd7oy]

@@Amoreyna But just like a toddler makes everything about themselves, so did the weak husband.

[@vicjay1972]

I was thinking that very same thing

[@CHASE420stars]

Yeah I agree with this, I'm sad to say I've struggled with drug problems. Mental illness and grief and have been in therapy for almost 10 years, tori's mom probably felt guilty for not being able to cry infront of people but I have the same problem, epically my PTSD responses can seem cold when really later I cry in privacy, i really feel for tori's mom but also wish she pulled herself out of being guarded and got therapy

[@michhaynes7272]

Poor kid, I can't help but imagine what she went through. Rest in peace sweetheart.

[@Xuzon]

There should be an automatic alert whenever someone buys a "hide the body + murder weapon" combo at Home Depot

[@j4m32hz6]

When I worked at Canadian tire they had a list of products that if were bought together you had to alert the manager. Like stuff to make meth etc.

[@kellietaylor9913]

@@j4m32hz6 of course always to make drugs not to help people

[@johns1625]

Buddy I bought a sawzall and garbage bags and like three jugs of Bleach at Lowes like four days ago lol.

[@deniserossiter1059]

@@johns1625 so John, where do you live? Please don’t say Ontario or Florida.

[@GoogleUser-wy2vv]

Absolutely! If I buy the killer bag ... follow me!

[@staciacarney8085]

"Stick THAT up your maple syrup!" Classic Mike. We need merch. DEFINITELY.

[@Nameless.stranger]

That made me lol 😂

[@sandravegavera2954]

Loved that too

[@christineszymczak3085]

Right as I was reading this comment he said it! 😂

[@katybug6572]

Lol ikr

[@leighannferguson8343]

YES WE DEFINITELY NEED THE MERCH .😍❤💕

[@froggyboxing]

This is a local case for me that I've never been able to forget. Just awful.

[@prepaidtrash5552]

Wtf is u wearing

[@peridoteyes3728]

Me too, 1 Canadians won’t forget especially Ontario

[@tiffanymchardy7030]

@@peridoteyes3728 it broke us I swear

[@kirkberryleo3307]

Absolutely

[@michele250000]

Same for me. I’ll never forget when this happened. It was heartbreaking

[@theonlydianer]

I often come back to this story. I still think about Tori and Tim Bosma, they went missing a few years apart but not that far from each other. Both such horrific stories that held our nation captive.. We all hoped for better endings...

[@lesleybrody-sweet3862]

God I hope the "not enough criteria " Cop just voluntarily quit.

[@thecoffeeman65]

That Bosma case was just horrific. They stole the truck yet one of them was wealthy enough to purchase it brand new. Mr Millard is where he belongs and when final judgment comes he will get his true punishment.

[@seanbrewer1232]

As a parent it is really hard for me to watch stories like this.

[@armosamarosso]

It makes me so angry. A small comfort is that child killers and nonces get shanked in prison.

[@Puff_Puff_Packs]

I agree. This one was one of the worst for me. I cannot imagine the fear that child felt after realizing she trusted someone she shouldn't have. Sweet baby girl.

[@MsWaggydog]

As a human it's really hard for me to watch stories like this.

[@braetonwilson4296]

@@armosamarosso Not this evil creepy monster. His mom sent tens of thousands of dollars to his fellow inmates as bribes so his son wouldn't get hurt in prison. It worked and he's living a cushy comfy life on the taxpayer dollar now.

[@sylvia106]

@@braetonwilson4296 source of this information?

[@insomnimom]

Tori's brother is likely an adult now, right? I hope he is ok - trauma like this doesn't just disappear. Especially not in a child that is right in the midst of identity formation. Mike, the way you handle these cases with so much respect for the victims but then also expressing your absolute disgust is truly an art. Thank you for doing - you know - what you do.

[@_rose_6375]

I was thinking about him too.. I have a younger brother borned on the same year as Victoria and I can't imagine what he went through 💔

[@G_Robb]

Mike is awesome with these videos.

[@lizelleswart6327]

Trauma like that doesn’t disappear ever.

[@meganexelby1062]

I just hope he doesnt blame himself. Its so easy for kids to blame themselves when they think they're at fault. He has ZERO blame here.

[@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x]

@@meganexelby1062 yes!, i fear he may have tried to be a little 'man'. Omg.

[@thepoormanspoet3312]

Ooohhh this is a bad one... You handled it like a BAWSS, though, Mike. Top notch content, as per usual. Keep it coming, brother!

[@ThatChapter]

Thank you!

[@rhoduskal-cious3243]

Hi Mike, greetings from China

[@smoll.miniatures]

@@ThatChapter need subs for the hard to hear parts bud

[@5thdimension625]

@@smoll.miniatures turn them on Michael. I have them

[@jonnylumberjack6223]

@@ThatChapter I don't know why more true crime channels on here don't call the perpetrators shitheads and cunts. It's clearly a winning formula :) You Irish and we Scots are about par on the old potty mouth front I reckon, with Australia taking the bronze. And fucking proud of it too, weirdly.

[@sweetelle818]

It’s sad the media showed the argument between her parents! They are BOTH obviously hurting, lashing out at each other! Very sad to witness.

[@jackstevens585]

Absolutely horrific case. My heart breaks for this beautiful child. I’m speechless.

[@asceticblur]

Some of these make me angrier than others. This one pisses me off to no end.

[@pinehawk9600]

I feel ya

[@cindybeaton2103]

It's the self pity he has. It's disgusting.

[@pinehawk9600]

@@cindybeaton2103 it really is.. thank God the woman was human enough to tell the truth

[@donnellynell]

Yea me too, this whole thing including the lack of amber alert pisses me off

[@sammymarie3867]

He has some AUDACITY to complain about his life being ruined when he took away the life of an innocent child!! 🤬 And with complete confidence I believe that Terry NEVER walked away from the vehicle. She knew damnwell what his intentions where when she picked-up tori from school and took her to his car! Without a doubt she witnessed everything. From start, to finish. Rest in piece Tori Stafford 💔

[@allenmostafa9382]

But why her, why her, was she just a random girl just so he could rape her? and if that is the reason, you would expect the girlfriend to feel at least joules, that he will do a different person other than her.

[@jamieangel3766]

It boggles my mind that someone would agree to kidnap a child for a man in the first place, like what do you think is going to happen? She must have known why and was fully involved

[@aldranzam3456]

@@allenmostafa9382 Often, in couple's rape/murders, the murder serves both the function of covering their tracks, but also soothing the jealousy. You can't be jealous of a dead kid.

[@alaskayoung3413]

@@jamieangel3766 look up the girl in a box….

[@jamieangel3766]

@@alaskayoung3413 thanks I will

[@springsteenguy]

That press conference fight was ridiculous.

[@rodnerd6769]

Before I give this a watch, this one hits home. I live in Kitchener Ontario and I remember when I was a kid and this happened. I was scared to walk 5 minutes from school to home.

[@troyounce3295]

Yeah these people were evil. It's crazy to think anyone could commit such heinous acts on anyone let alone a child. Sickening.

[@cherrypickerguitars]

Hey! London Ontario here! This was disgusting. I remember it all too well.

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

I'm sorry you felt unsafe as a kid, there are so many effects of violent crimes in the community that people might not even think of. this is an excellent example. I hope you're able to feel more confident these days. 🤟

[@birdfish8562]

Canada is a shithole they let child killers free to live comfortable lives.

[@Cymbelin]

@@birdfish8562 At least someone had enough brain cells to get her back into a maximum security facility.

[@oneofthechampagnes5482]

This was in my home town.. our tiny town has never been the same. I have a daughter now and I think of Tori a lot. Her memory will live on through the people of our city. I was at the vigil, I will never forget.

[@kellietaylor9913]

Sorry for the loss in your community poor Tori got a piece of shit for a mom I don't understand how any mother

[@small_joys2022]

@@kellietaylor9913 Please dont judge the poor woman. Not all women are strong enough to handle motherhood. Especially with having a pos for a husband whose only contribution was to judge her.

[@kellietaylor9913]

@@small_joys2022 I actually don't remember this story ..but I'm just calling it how I saw it.. sometimes truth is hard to handle but it's still the truth...not a judgement..they are on a murder story clearly something went wrong

[@Dajamo]

This one hits close. My hometown is where she was found. Truly a tragic story.

[@Malcolmblacc]

There are a lot of serial killers in Canada

[@Ryanookami]

I’m from Woodstock, so yeah, this one hits close to home.

[@trudyfleming3265]

This was my home town as well. So tragic!

[@patriciapadilla2022]

🎻

[@1whocs486]

@predator against dad's OMG!!! How horrible.., a lot of emotions with a case like this... especially being so close

[@BeRightBack131]

Those two cops saluting Tori's hearse as it passed by made me bust out crying. Those cops, detectives, etc are the only people who ever cared about her... and she never lived to know it. 😢😢😢

[@agutierrez4328]

Man Indigenous Canadians have been through enough, they didn't need Terri on top of that

[@robertdickson2319]

...king right!

[@luvmyboxers72]

She's not native,that was determined to later be another lie she told

[@eratoisyourmuse659]

Im Métis. I do not want this woman representing our own. She is a sociopath. That come in all shapes and sizes and need to be dealt with accordingly.

[@annebruecks7381]

@@eratoisyourmuse659 Can I ask you a question, if you know the answer? How did Indigenous peoples deal with a crime as offensive as this one? Were they shunned, or possibly killed outright? I’m sure that there was always at least 1 person that caused trauma like this every few years or so, even if ‘just’ severely mentally ill… I’ve wondered how they were handled in the past? A healing center sounds wonderful for lesser crimes, but I assume that this kind of thing is on a different level?

[@hacktplanet450]

Exactly

[@liljakob]

This took place in my town, her family lived down tge street from me. i was in 3rd grade the day she went missing and i still remember the teachers warning everybody and talking about. RIP Tori

[@jsmalls9575]

My mom and I watch this every Tues and Fri. Her bday present in a couple days is a That Chapter merch coffee mug with a skeleton saying ‘hey you’. She’ll love it!

[@jsmalls9575]

@Jennifer thank you. I’m excited. She’s a big Mike fan :)

[@Steviemarie502]

This case always hurts my soul. The things that baby went through. Beyond sick and cruel. I would never ever understand why someone would take a child, let alone for someone else!!!

[@nicolepags5]

*She* thought *she* could make it somewhat better for Tori if she was with her, yet *she* left tori alone in the vehicle with *him* ... umm, sure Jan... disgusting.

[@Laurenishful]

She wouldn’t even be there if that piece of shit woman didn’t help him 😡 Both of them should be strung up.

[@jannetteberends8730]

The use of a hearse to transport the body and the saluting officers was respectful. It is the first time I saw that.

[@Le0kardia]

It brought me to tearse.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@Le0kardia wow

[@TheBanana93]

They have their flaws but that was straight up respectful as hell.

[@jackstevens585]

I’ll pretend I didn’t hear you say something about “a dog and a microwave”….there are no words for these people

[@NUKE_DUKEM777]

That really got my blood boiling.

[@laurablack1002]

Love dogs but your main concern should be this baby

[@laurablack1002]

@@NUKE_DUKEM777 did this little girl as well????? Wtf

[@laurablack1002]

No words but what about Tori?

[@PoptartParasol]

@@laurablack1002 i dont think they meant to say that they didn't care about the girl. But more like their abuse of a dog is just even more evidence of how messed up and sick they are.

[@dunki-dunki-dawg]

The two officers saluting as Tori's body was going past in the hearse, a gesture of respect for Officers and military personnel. So sad.💟💟💟

[@EleanoRa99]

Jesus Christ … her parents in that interview! That poor child 😔

[@MatthewW713]

100%

[@Lorisa25]

In-fighting between married or divorced couples when a child goes MIA is VERRY common. They blame each other for XYZ

[@andreakoroknai1071]

I try not to judge, but that squabble they have on camera, not super mature, that poor kid never stood a chance

[@nonnonbutlove1642]

Same.

[@DrMadelineAuD]

I feel like a lot of people who report on this case focus significantly on Michael and make it seem like Terry was just along for the ride. She was an active participant. Thank you for being a comprehensive storyteller.

[@beth-rg8bm]

She was an active participant... no she was the kidnapper and a partner to the killer...he might have killed her but she supplied the way, means and opportunity. Activity participant no she was his partner in murder and rape... Both of them deserve the death penalty worth keeping around they can offer nothing to anybody.

[@stephenlagan8569]

Agreed. It was actually Terri-Lynne who put the garbage bag over Tori and massacred her with that hammer.

[@shallawnmarshall320]

Seeing she desperately wants Michael to love her and accept her which he clearly pretended to be. So she openly wanted to beat her thinking it would please him.

[@michelleorlando3702]

I loved that interrogation officer. He really was like "Let's Go." They were truly evil, and in this case deserved much more punishment then what they got. Paid protection and living in a lodge is not what they deserve. Rip sweet Angel.

[@deniserossiter1059]

He sounds like the same great detective that got the famous confession from Col. Russell Williams, the serial rapist & murderer…… from Canada.

[@PushyPushyPhoenix]

He is indeed one and the same - Jim Smyth.

[@nancyharris4913]

@@deniserossiter1059 Not only is he the same officer, but he is also the one that found Tori's body. Jim Smyth is a hero.

[@jerryjerrylahngenhairy4724]

@@nancyharris4913 I listened to the colonel Williams interrogation before it became "infamous". I kept thinking that this detective is brilliant. Hes definitely doing what he was born to do. Canada should be proud.

[@treforknight1366]

Thanks

[@crystaljetson5140]

I'm a year older than Tori, and I remember watching this case on the news. My parents were so paranoid and were hypervigilant with me. At the time it was insufferable, but now I realize why they acted the way they did. I feel so bad for the family :(

[@drummersnare6276]

So you’re like 9? Lol

[@ponykazy3725]

@@drummersnare6276 A year older than Tori, not a year older than Tori when she when she died (though thay was true at the time). Tori would have been 21 almost 22 if she was alive today.

[@whoisharo4689]

As a person who's familiar with the nature of drug addiction id like to quickly state that crying or having any feeling at all, is difficult on opiates such as Oxy.

[@The3Storms]

Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it.

[@katelyna2302]

facts!

[@lindabond5002]

Maybe if you had your child abducted it would not "be difficult" get real.

[@araaraurydice]

@@lindabond5002 take into account that everybody grieves differently.

[@Lisacrazed]

Not for everyone

[@lauranorwar]

Tori would have turned 21 on July 15th. She had an entire lifetime of milestones cruelly taken from her.

[@kevingee4294]

I thought the same thing when I saw the DOB.....

[@mortizya666]

😔

[@chelseagirl278]

may she Rest In Peace ❤️💐🙏❤️

[@lauranorwar]

@@chelseagirl278 yes!

[@lauranorwar]

@@mortizya666 And that really does sum it all up.

[@suzieb8366]

Tori was such a beautiful child .... to be taken by evil people that way is the lowest any human can go. The wickedness to me is incomprehensible and makes my heart hurt just hearing about it. RIP Tori.