The Causes of the Cataclysm #1 [Genshin Impact Lore and Theory]

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With the coming of 3.6 and the mysterious questions of the cataclysm, I believe that it’s finally time to theorize about the many, many secrets from five hundred years ago. And I believe, that at the center of all these lies and fabrications are the golden sinners themselves, Rhinedottr and the kingdom of Khaenriah.
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[@ChillwithAster]

I have so many questions about things.

[@cosmicnm2543]

I have a question I'm not sure about. I know that Albedo's creator made the rift hounds so did she also make the riftlord. Because I though the rift hounds came from it but apparently not.

[@ASTERIA_YT]

So do I *But it’s mainly about life*

[@Daily_Dose_of_Grass]

We can only wait till we get answers from the game itself :3

[@Baddassattuide]

3.6 drops some hints

[@monadolifesaver5613]

Aster, I know this is dumb, but would you please tell me if this makes any sense? I have so many questions about pre-Phanes Teyvat. Also, we really need them to lore drop some name for the realms of Teyvat, The Abyss, The Dark Sea, Khaenri'ah, Celestia and more. We know there's more to Genshin's universe, but we have no names for the Realms specifically linked directly to Teyvat and its laws. We even had the idea of planets name dropped by the Traveler recently and we still don't have anything to call Genshin's world, unless they throw a curve ball and literally call it Genshin. Is Phanes even the real Genshin? It's not like Phanes made Teyvat, just usurpered the world. How long has this history of usurpation been going on? We're the Dragons and Dragon King even the first race of Teyvat or did they settle it? I believe the story is going to become one based off a cycle of usurpation and change, with either the Traveler, Sibling, and perhaps Paimon finding themselves in the "Earth All Along" genre, or the Twins and maybe Paimon being revealed as Pure Unfiltered Elemtal Beings, hence, in an ironic and roundabout way, Dainsleif stating Celestia views the unchosen as Dregs would be reversed and spread out with all of Teyvat and its Elements being the dreg of Elemental Purity. These Pure Elemental Beings would be ones of Chaos I believe. That would also lend clarity to why the Raiden Shogun (speaking through Ei and hence Electro's current ideal) calls the Traveler "The Furthest Thing From Eternity." It would also explain how Light, the hypothetical Pure Element wielded by the Twins, is Chaos, since Light has often been viewed as a call for change and a figurative form of the pure nature an unstable original source represents. The Twins could Represent new ideals or, a new star for Teyvat, as assuming Paimon has some primordial importance, she is their moon, or has become a waning power. The repeating narrative of the sun and moon is one Genshin seems to love, along with light and darkness. I believe the Twins and their traveling from world to world is more respective of a conceptualized being than a true one, those of that concept being true Primordial Agents of Chaos created to instruct change when and where necessary. I'm assuming a lot, but it may be plausible that the Twins are the representation of two dominant outlooks societies may take on their reality against that of the world. Therefore, the Twins are meant to fulfill the role of bringing end to the constant of sacrificial usurpation by showing the reality of Chaos as more of an inevitably than a curse that must be fought with bloodshed. Also, am I the only one who thinks the Traveler helping Nahida cure Apep with the EXACT same Dendro energy in the end cutscene was a LITTLE weird and a LITTLE suspicious!?!? The Traveler straight up used the same power to cure Apep. Aether and Lumine are no joke in lore, unlike in gameplay😭

[@francocolon6313]

the new world quest is CRAZYYYY

[@nerobernardino88]

@Clevaryo D E N D R O D R A G O N T H E S O V E R E I G N O F S U M E R U

[@tehCostHD]

@@nerobernardino88 that’s the nahida story quest. Is there a new world quest too?

[@nerobernardino88]

@Clevaryo I'm dumb

[@sahilsharma6443]

​@@tehCostHD yup

[@tehCostHD]

@@sahilsharma6443 nice. Do you get it automatically when you are exploring the new area?

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Actually I think Genshin has always been very deep into symbolism and that symbolism and meaning is more significant than lore itself. In fact the high density of symbolism in Honkai was what confused many players in the recent chapters, a lot of people couldn't understand metaphors and analogies because they are stuck with a sci-fi and shounen audience mindset. Even at the lowest level of symbolism in Genshin, we have the elements symbolising the type of dream a person has, people who want freedom gets anemo, people who wants stability gets geo etc. And then we get stuff like Sumeru's sages, the old generations in power are literally taking away the dreams of younger generations to maintain their own power, using the internet to control information and oppress the population. Khaenriah and Deshret's greed for power and knowledge causing damage to the environment etc. Aranara representing how children lose their imagination and dreams when they get older, and the entire Aranara "life cycle" is based on the Buddhist cycles of reincarnation. And they are able to successfully reincarnate each time because they are able to detach themselves from desire, they are willing to put down what they have for others and sacrifice themselves and reincarnate. Next step up we have Nahida being the Moon and Rukkhadevata the Sun. Rukkhadevata is the sun, the brightest object in the sky, her followers the sages bask in her glory, Kusanali the moon is a mere reflection of the sun, she questions whether she actually has a place in the sky suffering from imposter syndrome, the stars are everyone else in Sumeru, everyone who's outshined by the ones at the top. When the sun is out, the stars will disappear, but the sun is now gone, there is only a moon, the stars finally has a place to shine. Rukkhadevata sacrificed herself to allow the stars of Sumeru to shine, Kusanali is not irrelevant, she will be the reason that Sumeru will start to dream again. The symbolism gets even deeper at every single level, even down to every single character's costume design and the flower language of the flower they wear. Such as Raiden's Morning Glory meaning life and death and love in vain, her love for her sister and loss made her realise the fragility of life and made her obsess over the idea of an unchanging eternity. Flower language is an extremely important Hoyoverse aspect that they put into every character's design, there was even a character in Honkai, Fallen Rosemary who straight up talks about flower language in her win screen dialogue.

[@randomguyblank1616]

I just want to say to you, omg I thought I was the only one who got the symbolism and metaphors of the final arc of part 1 of Honkai. Like it wasn't even hard to understand, and people were acting it was like rocket scientist, as an actual Aerospace major, it was not, rocket science is way harder.

[@on-line10]

cringe tf idiotic -_-

[@ryanxofficial9075]

Aster, v3.6 got so many bomb lore. You should explore the new world quest, nahida 2nd story quest and also the Nymph's Dream artifact lore. That's the answer of the Cataclysm

[@isabelleambrose9293]

Which one is it of the two cause now I wanna read them

[@eryscalamitas1611]

​@@isabelleambrose9293 the blue one

[@xystumlol]

@@eryscalamitas1611 lmao

[@AnaTheUser]

​@@eryscalamitas1611 I knew it was something khaenrian related! Now I also have to do the farming

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

There's so much lore in this update that I straight up recommend every one to google every single Persian name and term mentioned. The Persian name for Khaenriah blew my mind when I googled it.

[@sensennsen]

There is proof for the innocence of Gold, which is the memory within the remains of Durin. Durin's last mention of his mother was when he was leaving his home to circle the world. There were no other mentions of Gold after that, which means that she was wrongly accused.

[@sentenceman9824]

I agree

[@Necrochaosium]

Yep gold may have created rifthounds, durin and other entities but I'm sure they were misappropriated or the khemia method she developed was copied by somebody a bit more sinister. It says a "great sinner" released them upon teyvat but there are other great sinners other than gold. King irmun himself has a pretty big target painted on him.

[@forkqs]

could you explain this a bit more?

[@jadecoolness101]

@@Necrochaosium I'm just wondering why people think that gold's creations can't be corrupted. Did Gold create the rifthounds? Yes. But were they originally ~evil~? Or were they corrupted by the abyss, much like the people of the abyss order? Or maybe they've deteriorated? Lost their mind over time? Albedo keeps talking about losing control and destroying Mondstadt, maybe there's something to that. Maybe creatures created by khemia are less stable than natural born, and are much more susceptible to the effects of erosion? Who knows.

[@Necrochaosium]

@@jadecoolness101 Maybe the creations themselves are easily controlled or manipulated by other entities (with the skill to do so)so he's scared he's be used like a puppet to do unspeakable things like his "brother" durin was. Albedo is a product of khemia just like durin was, durin definitely got corrupted and his perception was heavily distorted durin thought it was visiting friends even as it was attacking.

[@Truck-kun11]

In my eyes Teyvat right before the Cataclysm was a powder keg ready to explode, just waiting for a spark, so I don't think it was the fault of a single person or entity.

[@lkimberly2064]

That was clear early on.. Even now just what that powder in the keg (why it exploded) and the fuse is unknown. Even if you add 3.6 bits we have it doesn't say much.

[@monadolifesaver5613]

I bet the spark was the possibly unanticipated arrival of the Traveler.

[@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person]

@@monadolifesaver5613 Especially if you consider that given the traveler is immune to forbidden knowledge's effects, they are the biggest threat to Teyvat's stability. If you consider the gnostic inspirations of the game, Traveler is like a foreigner or alien that hijacked thelself into the "Matrix", ready to destroy it. One example of that "destruction" is that regardless if the Heavenly principles want to erase someone from history, Traveler will remember them and be able to make people remember them. Also They are the perfect vectors for forbidden knowledge to spread, given they are unaffected by it.

[@Zarozian]

So Aster, my theory is that Khaenri'ah was already dealing with a problem that required Rhinedottir to make Durin (Dragon Sovereign) and Albedo (Primordial Human) due to the nature of the Traveler being able to naturally purify the corruption and the Dragon Sovereign's power to fight against the Second Who Came. I think the Primordial One, the Dragon Sovereign, and the Second Who Came have a rock paper scissor mechanic where the Primordial One is strong against the Dragon Sovereigns and the Dragon Sovereigns are strong against the Second Who Came and the Second Who Came is strong against the Primordial One. Since Khaenri'ah lived underground they must have been at odds with the Abyss from the beginning, hence their war-like culture and to deal with the withering, the machines are best suited for fighting against it and the corrupting creatures of the abyss. They probably wanted a Primordial Human like the Traveler and a Dragon Sovereign together to save Khaenri'ah. But the experiment went wrong and punched a bigger rift in Khaenri'ah setting the monsters loose. Then came the construction of the Ruin Golems to retrieve the Divine Nails whose properties would seal the rift and suppress the powers of the abyss in their nation but of course all of them failed and the land was overrun by these monsters.

[@marfaleon7025]

As it comes from opening cutscene we are to know that our sibling (one who visited whole Teyvat while Traveller was sleeping) supposedly played a huge role in Cataclysm since Celestia sent as it seems one of highest-ranked Gods (Sustainer) to capture twin. And "Arrogation of mankind ends now" is basically her line towards Abyss sibling, not both of us basically since our Traveller was sleeping during whole story with first journey. Since "forbidden knowledge" is to be adressed as "knowledge from beyond", what if our sibling somehow shared some pretty important knowledge with Khaenriah? As it said when met Traveller in game we should finish our journey to find out truth/meaning of Teyvat, so what if she decided to spread that knowledge with this nation? Or maybe she/he did something else but what also heavily broke some taboos of this world. Although, why would Sustainer let both - Twin and Gold live past cataclysm, if those as it seems played a major roles in everything happening?

[@monadolifesaver5613]

I appreciate the fact you're mostly taking into account that either sibling can be either character. I wish more people did that instead of just using Aether. It's as simple as saying Traveler and Sibling/Twin and nobody does it.

[@lkimberly2064]

I only use Abyss Sibling and Traveler, other wise it suggests one is properly only in one role..

[@monadolifesaver5613]

@@lkimberly2064 it's just that I think neither one should be the true poster child. I think it'd be funny if the anime switched twins every episode leaving mass confusion in the uninformed audience members.

[@kineretgilboa2391]

The problem is you're forgetting the fact that traveler was asleep twice. The first time their sibling for some reason didn't wake them up until the cataclysm, but it had to be enough time to grow familiar with khanria and apparently do something to help cause the cataclysm. The first cutscene was BEFORE traveling teyvat with dain, the abyss sibling still had her powers then. It was only after the unknown god sealed our traveler for 500yrs that the abyss sibling began their journey through teyvat, so if they did gain some forbidden knowledge on their journey, it would have been after the cataclysm

[@monadolifesaver5613]

@@kineretgilboa2391 unless the travelers are considered forbidden knowledge themselves.

[@jerryvee3968]

I wonder how Nibelung, the Dragon King, is related to the Alberichs.

[@_3ero_241]

I was surprised that Khaenriah used a power of the Abyss quite long time.(new location main quest) It means that they challenged Celestia and lost, than they got punished for that

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Yea this quest almost paints quite a clear view that Khaenriah leans towards the "bad" side with greed and Celestia almost looks like the good guys protecting the world, but overall it's still a power struggle over different ideologies.

[@absalomii8564]

​​@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat I prefer to think of celestia as a neutral force on Teyvat. Obviously they have their reasons for destroying civilizations, and Khaerian was certainly no exception. Personally, I like what Mihoyo is doing with History, initially, we were under the impression that Khaeriah was destroyed simply for not worshiping gods, but with the new revelations it's obvious that Celestia didn't destroy them just for that.

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

@@absalomii8564 My opinion with influence from Honkai is that Celestia is playing the necessary "evil" to protect Teyvat at all costs, and they're not protecting Teyvat within itself, but protecting Teyvat from the outside, which contains realms that are far worse. Celestia is directly challenging the mortals to reach for their dreams and build civilisations that can take down Celestia, to prove that humans have the ability to take care of themselves and go beyond the fake sky to reach realms that are far more powerful and challenging than Celestia. Basically "if you can't even beat me, don't think that you can survive outside". Mortals can challenge them anytime, but Celestia will always attack in full force because they are serious about this, and with each civilisations' failure, the following civilisation will learn from it.

[@absalomii8564]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Possibly, it is said that the "Primordial" and the "Second Throne" are not of this world, so it is quite likely that there are other beings equal to or stronger than the gods of Celestia.

[@_3ero_241]

@@absalomii8564 from Nahida second story quest we know that nails aren't weapon. So the only civilization that Celestia destroyed on purpose was Khaen'riah, or Khaen'riah was destroyed by Cataclysm

[@whisper3856]

My theory has been, for a long time, is that Rhinedottir was blamed for the cataclysm, perhaps to obfuscate the true reasoning behind the Cataclysm. My guess is that the Cataclysm happened because Khaenri’ah discovered some truth of this world that Celestia couldn’t allow; likely that Celestia isn’t from Teyvat.

[@AndrewManook]

Yep this is the most likely theory, the "forbidden knowledge" was the truth of this world, if the people of Tevyet knew then that would be very problematic for Celestia. Also we still don't know who prevailed between the primordial and second who came, they are both descenders.

[@Ren_rz]

I agree with the idea that Rhinedotir was not Bound by any sort of contract between Herself and the Eclipse dynasty and i also think that the Dynasty might not be that interested in creation of lifeforms to begin with otherworldly or not. Because even tho Rhinedotir is considered one of greatest Alchemist as far as we know only she (atleast for now) is known to use alchemy to create living creatures. Khenriah as far as we currently know is more technology focused seeing most of their creations are mechanical mimics of living organisms. If the Dynasty was interested in the creation of living lifeforms like Durin and other creatures, wouldn't there have been more people trying to do the same. I can think of two reasons why this could happen 1. These creatures would be living among them so the Khenriahns would have to provide them with the basic needs which there wasn't much to begin with. 2. A mechanical creation is much easier to control with a Remo than having to tame a monster. As for Rhinedotir's part in Khenriah's destruction I'm not 100% certain that it was her fault, it is possible but it's also possible that she had nothing to do with it.

[@TheMagicStarTV]

After Nahida's quest, i think the Sinner is ultimately a King Deshret (Apep said that he is very crazy in questions about forbidden knowedge).

[@Iffem]

problem is, Apep ate him

[@_3ero_241]

@@Iffem not him, polluted information of his civilization

[@hj-lg3ys]

ive had that theory since Caribert dropped, furthermore i think King Deshret is the second who came giving him the title of the First Sinner, the entity that crossed the divine creator

[@_3ero_241]

@@hj-lg3ys I think sinner is Deshret too, but he isn`t second who came for sure, timeline isn`t match

[@farhanatashiga3721]

I think you miss the part where it said it swallowed him whole

[@vihaan9923]

In the 3.6 archon quest, apep mentioned about dragon king named nibelung but how can he possibly be a member of alberich clan, cuz dragons are way older than any civilization in records.

[@lonelywolf6180]

Something that resonated in me a while ago after the Scaramouche quest. If he isn't the Balladeer anymore since he rewrite his history and everyone's memory with it, that would make that the Fatui recruited someone else in his place since all the Harbingers occupy a a role from Comedia del arte. Maybe it would be someone we know or someone that would have been of it wasn't Scaramouche.

[@UberWraith]

If you go back to Mondstadt and listen to the two Fatui near the teleport (or, as I call them 'Daily News'), their dialogue has been updated after Interlude 3 (Wanderer's Story). Basically they say that 'the sixth seat' (AKA the Balladeer) has been vacant since a lot of time and currently it's empty. Remember, although people's memory has been rewritten overnight, real events did not. Scaramouche disappeared overnight in reality so nobody had the time to fill his rank; the only plausible explanation it could be given by the rewritten history was that 'oh, the seat has always been empty, who knows why'. Now, nothing prevents them to elect a new Harbinger in the near future... but I hardly doubt it will be the case. We still haven't met all the other Harbingers, so the introduction of yet ANOTHER villain to fight is, of course, a possibility... but it's not granted.

[@isabelleambrose9293]

No matter what time or how long your theory's are always so attention drawing thank you for making them aster you work really hard with your studies and with your channel and you handle it with love

[@MrBennie2069]

Watching your channel and channels like it has got me doing the Archon Quest and especially the story quest! I was having fun before but now more so. lol

[@sergiogoni1108]

What I think is that Rhinedottir was tasked by Khaenriah royalty with creating artificial life with khemia. Maybe she just couldn't manage to make fully functional organisms, until she decided to use Abyssal power... Maybe then it worked, she even would create a majestic dragon. But these creatures would slowly grow corrupt, deteriorating until they had to be contained for the people's safety. At some point, Celestia would destroy Khaenriah for their arrogance and this would release the abyss monsters and thus cause the cataclysm. RD just leaves to perfect her khemia skills, this time not using abyss energy, and creates Albedo.

[@ghetoknight7801]

Rhiendatter or however you spell it is part of that council of higher witches (?) Idk just pointing it out it kinda feels weird for someone in the tea party group to be such a major "antagonist" narratively

[@sylvarogre5469]

I lean toward theory 2. "I'm gonna release these cute puppies and happy dragon into the beautiful world" * releases rift hounds and Durin.* - Gold 🤣

[@raidenmiyawaki]

Khaenriah isn't as innocent as we think, they've dwelled on too much on what they should know and it backfired at them but the citizen maybe? King Irmin may have been arrogant enough to rub Phanes the wrong way. Heavenly Principles isn't as bad as we think she may have resorted to eliminating Khaenriah so that no one could do things that happened 500 years ago. Maybe Alice and others are making way to revert the forbidden knowledge from Teyvat.

[@theunrelatable5961]

Actually the king of khaneria is called a hero (source : Jean dialogue ) nothing suggests that he was arrogant. In the new nymph artifact series it states that after he defeats a “bad guy” of his story or -what they call a “fell dragon”, that he will turn into one in the next hero’s story. And that he will forget the one thing he cared for most: “he will never believe in anything that the sum of human knowledge and experience can’t explain or comprehend” basically meaning he won’t trust anything that humans can’t comprehend aka gods.

[@TheContemplativeOwl]

I noticed at 8:12 the name nibelung is mentioned and we learned that was the name of the dragon king in nahidas story qurst, idk if thats connected or relevent but just sum I noticed

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

More lore exploring!

[@thepokemander8497]

I can see the reason of the archon being flawed could be the reason ad well they are detaching themselves away from Celestia

[@persephone_8949]

Random but I got the sudden urge to hear your lore vids, then noticed I'm not subbed?!?!?!? *SUBBING IMMEDIATELY*

[@butterknight1236]

I love how much lore bombing every update brings

[@marthadillon9896]

Aster - what do you think the chances of Naberius being a second name for the Dragon King Nibelung? Do you think that it was his heart that Gold found?

[@_3ero_241]

Thats possible

[@lkimberly2064]

If it was, perhaps that potential 'violation' is part of forbidden knowledge.

[@Yoyocreative]

I've been playing star Rail for a while now, and can't help but imagine how cool it would be if we get to visit Teyvat! We could learn the story of a descender first hand! Those from the past, or those in current Teyvat's future. Or we could play in a far future from current Teyvat, with perhaps myths and lore about the mysterious twins that changed the world back in ye olde days. 😍

[@marcusbullock2753]

I want Rhinedottor to be playable.

[@lkimberly2064]

It would reveal alot, which is why certain things are unlikely. R, as Alice reveals in the Hexenzirkal scene, is a detail that will only reveal later with Alice likely. We may meet Alice in person before we ever hear or know more of R. And only then will Khaenriah start to be revealed directly it appears.

[@morax5015]

i feel like it that could only happen during the final patches of the game

[@lalalinetti4499]

Perhaps the pure blood khaenriahns are descended from the dragon king Nibelung and are like the "vishap people" of enkanomiya

[@MarsCorporations]

Ich wohne am Rhein, und natürlich kennt man dort die Nibelungensage, bzw. das Lied dazu (wobei ich es interessant finde, dass "Nibelung" oder etwas ähnliches bisher nicht im Spiel vorkam, dabei ist das der eigentliche Überbegriff für das alles. Das Rheingold ist der versunkene und verfluchte Schatz der Nibelungen). Hätte aber auch nicht erwartet, dass eine typische lokale Unfuggeschichte aus Mitteldeutschland aus dem Mittelalter in einem Spiel referenziert wird. Irgendwer aus dem Creative Team muss wohl aus dem Rheingau kommen^^ I took the freedom to write in German here. Ätsch :P

[@rebbieornot]

wow, i've never been this fast before!

[@Charlie-ov1bj]

hey in the new area when you meet the pari... you will find 5 drums engraved with 5 elements... among them geo and anemo are missing... id like to know why theyre missing...

[@whitecat3448]

Maybe because they're only 2 original archons left or something more to it, who knows

[@Charlie-ov1bj]

@@whitecat3448 its really interesting to me actually... Your theory could be right but as far as i know all 7 archons joined forces against the cataclysm... No?... Idk it doesnt make any sense... Nothing does

[@whitecat3448]

@@Charlie-ov1bj thinking about very strange words from Zhongli in his 2nd quest: this contract was signed before it all began, why he said this + traveler didn't ask Venti about his involvement in these events. These 2 are really suspicious

[@Charlie-ov1bj]

@@whitecat3448 yeah, zhongli did state his reasons on why he cant say anything about the cataclysm... Which makes him sus, but venti is sus pro max.... Dude dont tell u anything...

[@Alex-vv2ud]

Maybe Geo and Anemo archons are truly the ones who survived cataclysm

[@Grafii2198]

Are we sure that Great Sinner always refer to Rhinedottir? During Calibert quest we got to know that Great Sinner is just a title for pure blooded Khaenri'ans. And also from her cutscene, does she seem like an evil person? To me she just wanted to create beings to feel like a mother, what if another Great Sinner used her creations to wreck havoc? I think that would make sense as Dain never questioned Albedo for being connected to Rhinedottir but to the art of Khemia itself.

[@Shindy117]

This is what confuses me: forbidden knowledge. So you mean to tell me, that "knowing something corrupts you and turns you into a monster or makes the abyss corrupt you". I don't mean in the "knowing this thing made you do bad things but not knowing it saved you" sense. I mean the way genshin explains it, it's like some sort of energy that affects your mind but it's called "knowledge". Forbidden knowledge is hard to write in my opinion.

[@user-xd7lq8sq4m]

Maybe like anti-life equation from DC?

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

From what I understand, forbidden knowledge seems to be a reference from Adam and Eve eating from the apple from the Tree of Knowledge, and because of they choose to disobey God, they were exiled from paradise. With this parallel, is possible Forbidden Knowledge could be something related to temptation, to know something outside the rules. And maybe the reason it corrupts is because in similar way like the Abyss, it rather boost your negative aspects of your personality and traits, in a more specific, turn you into a sinner.

[@Shindy117]

@Maria Paz Gónzalez Lesme yeah again that's hard to write. Cause what is it then? As I said earlier I'm not saying it's a "you know this thing and it changes your perspective but not knowing it wouldnt" but it's confusing cause knowledge seems like a container word that means something else. Cause what sort of knowledge could be considered "forbidden"?

[@Shindy117]

@Ельхан Болат so a knowledge that leads to a way to kill all of civilization? Well okay fair point. But still genshin pens it as something with form and not just "knowing something turns you evil"

[@Valadion1]

@@Shindy117 You think to much based on our world. First off, forbidden knowledge makes Teyvat itself reject you as long as you are a born citizen of Teyvat. We now know that Forbidden knowledge IS definitely corrupting in nature after Nahida's last story quest. A good example from another fiction would be eldritch Knowledge from Lovecraft twistsing your very being or burning your soul if you see one of the elder gods

[@gonzalodiez6336]

i need rhinedottir right now

[@thegreatpotato3195]

what if reindaughter is the shade of life represented by the flower artifact? I mean Reindaughter is really old and helped cause the catastrophe and created life and is a practitioner of chemia an art that makes life.

[@amitosh3553]

The Nibelung dwarf Alberich... Isn't nibelung the name of the dragon king that apep mentioned... Correctmeof I'm wrong here

[@kucing8107]

apparently the curse only take effect when the Khaenriahn arrived on the surface. There a note near the big door that says they are refugees and reporting the happening when they try to escape to the surface

[@lnsflare1]

Alice caused the Cataclysm for the aesthetic and Rhinedottir got the blame for it but didn't care enough to correct the record.

[@lkimberly2064]

In that group there were 8 powerful people, it could be there are more accusations (likely others at them, probably not many between them) or inferred blamed than yet shown. In the hexenzirkel scene, weren't only 5 of the 8 revealed?

[@ajaymenon9761]

Is it possible that the BP cut scene is talking about Rhinedottir?

[@skewer350]

Kraassssss ❤❤❤❤ love you

[@purplefanta7142]

I've seen a few REALLY bad takes on genshin impact lore (from other channels) But some things I've gathered across my journey, seeing some of your videos, rewatching cutscenes and recently watching Zepla's first day video.... I have a few theroeis of what the underlying "truth" of this world is. The story quest where we get stuck in the chasm shows us so many evil/corrupt spirits/souls in the depths of the world. I wonder if the abyss has some sort of eldritch horror or maybe even the primodial one rests in the abyss, possibly corrupted by something, that uses souls of those who die for energy. It might also leech life from those who dont die, like Zhongli mentioning even he is eroded over time. I'm also seeing a lot more indication that we might be a shade of the primodial one or some other godlike entity. But I just didnt start paying attention enough until Inazuma and even then I lose my patience with some of the really long running vapid dialogue in the game.

[@rrrrxxxii]

love it

[@AngelicaMakesPlaylists]

Wait, if they were experimenting with "aliens" and celestia are essentially aliens then that could mean that they were using other descenders to take over celestia?

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

I read the thumbnail as "Was it just her Fatui?" and I got confused trying to find a connection between Rhinedottir and the Fatui.

[@ilovepalitaw]

has anyone ever questioned WHY khaneriah is underground? why would they go through all that trouble? are they hiding from something?? like??

[@Ayumu31]

at this point , they talk so much about the cataclysm n stuff that we dont see anything about the archon war anymore , all we knw about what venti n zhongli did in the archon war . Only thing about ei n makoto we knw about the archon war is that ei fought n let makoto become ruler n we dont knw about how rukaveda won yet still could remain with other two gods (deshert and Nabu Malikata) while this wasnt allowed in inazuma by celestia (orobashi) . Like i almost forgot the archon war was a thing...

[@mizrahiomr]

where can I write you a huge theory I have to hear your thoughts?

[@Dz-ef7fk]

This game will never get a happy ending with the comming war the traveler cant sure if her frend will stay alive its 7 nation though

[@ichibanbento]

Ah, Norse mythology, that as well as Greek mythology makes their gods more human (like the Teyvat pantheon) they are mighty, yes, but they are bumbling buffons(especially in norse myth) who are sometimes blinded by pride and get blasted in the face, in other words, they are as human as we are and that kinda was the point, Greeks wanted gods who were relatable and whatnot and Norse wanted Thor to crossdress fake a marriage with an ice giant and for loki to seduce a horse and become the mother of odins horse(yes, thats canon). anyway where was I, oh yes, the tale of the Niblung Ring is real good inspiration, a magic artifact prized by a wealthy and powerful people cathes the eye of a god who is denied of even looking at it who in his wrath curses the ring and that curse creates Fafnir(who was the last dwarf to wear the ring) then a hero is sent on a quest to end the dragon and reclaim the treasure. (this probalby might have implications of the Aether/Lumine plot?) anyway brunhilde(a valkyrie) aids the hero and their offspring is the one who ends the Niblung Ring cycle (the sibling could fill the role of brunhilde but not the whole marriage part, just the guiding or something *shrug*) im pullling at WAY too many straws

[@arsenyjsharov2239]

I'll wait for subtitles to emerge...

[@AruLily]

Imagine if someone made someone believe that they were at fault? Like messing with memories. What if the siblings were from teyvat all along and all of what they know is a lie? Perhaps they are Khan. But no one remembers? And Zhongli isn't allowed to say. Perhaps there's a test that they have to go through? To perhaps deserve to save everyone. Why did we see the siblings in Teyvat? And not flying around in space first and showing us random planets and sceneries as if they traveled? Maybe it's a lie. I mean the star symbols are on their clothes just like khan. Dein and kaeya etc. Hmmm there's just smth. I mean dein keeps saying smth about saving her. Who is saving who?

[@everydayscents]

As a non native english speaker, it's quite difficult to keep up with your explanation, but thanks for the content

[@raymondward3184]

Reigndottr might be the tarista and the true cyro archon has been usurped

[@ASTERIA_YT]

Fourth!

[@Geraldo_Rivian]

If gold is such an enemy of life, why would venti let her live?

[@JulesCalebDospueblos]

Wait! Khanreia (the spelling is hard😭) is an underground nation?

[@lkimberly2064]

We've seen several variations of it.. It's fine. It is said Khaenriah (however they spell it, even I know I don't spell it exactly as they do) actually saw the real sky not like Teyvat with its "fake sky".

[@UberWraith]

Yes, Khaenri'ah was historically deep under Sumeru. People of Sumeru used to call it 'Dahri'

[@TNTboyz1997]

💛💜🖤💜💛

[@fluffychikorita3827]

Crack theory, what if Rhinedottir used the heart of Naberius to create a life form like albedo... say, the Traveler maybe? This falls apart really easily if u examine it at all tho

[@theunrelatable5961]

This comment section: the new world quest has sooooooo many lore bombs Me: ooh I gotta see it! Me after doing both quests: what a load of bull :)

[@sirwillll]

OMG i'm so fast

[@addisynsanders3805]

Second?

[@MTTheoristTV]

Simple. Khaenri'ah is the descendant of the Ancient Kingdom from the original world. Teyvat isn't the original world.. It's a copy of it or the ark for the old civilizations. The original worlds is the Trinity, the Abyssal Realm, the Light Realm, and the Ancient Ones. The Light Realm, and Abyssal Realm have always been equals. Until, she arrived... The Primordial One who beat the Sovereigns of the Light Realm leaving the Abyssal Realm with more power than ever before. She tipped the scales... The balance of the world was tipped after The One did that... I still don't know why she would do it. It's stupid she's a foreign god who doesn't know what would happen if she did that.. Then she witnessed what happened with her 4 shades. It was her fault and she tried undoing what's already been done and failed. By creating Teyvat to atone for her sins and separating it from the Original World corrupted by the Night Mother. Of course the second throne witnessed all of this... The destruction of the old world, and the creation of another. They took over as the Primordial "god" of Teyvat and no one knows about it besides them, the archons, and the witches. They will be the bad guys in order to protect Teyvat. Oh.. Celestia how you have fallen. Just a mad theory.. Haven't played since 2020. :)

[@aethernity8270]

Good theory

[@KazenoUta431]

Wait wait wait. So are you saying that the unknown god had been doing this like capture Traveler's sibling and the Celestia always fight back those monster? Yo, I confuse right now. I still don't know which one is on our Traveler's side anymore except his friend from Anemo Nation to Dendro Nation. If Celestia had been fight back at those abyssal monster from Khaenriah, it will make sense. But what about the Unknown God? Why she want to capture Traveler's sibling in the first place? There are so many question that i need a honest answer right now.