The Clash: Should trans women participate in female sports?

Pater Tatchell and Kellie-Jay Keen discuss IOC ruling on that transgender athletes will not have to lower testosterone to compete in sport.
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[@bettyswunghole3310]

Women athletes: you know what you need to do. Boycott this woke nonsense and form your own leagues and teams. Vote with your feet. The *overwhelming* majority of public opinion is with you.

[@bensomberg]

Women do have their own teams. The problem is that they are being infiltrated by men.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@Betty... : Womens sport has been taken over by the far left using the cover of "feminism". If anyone starts up an independent competition they will face administrative barricades from government. But I agree, if women want to remain competitive in sport then they must stand up and fight or pack their bags.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

I'd say 99% of the population would support them. People are getting fed up with WOKERS.

[@birdman6813]

Women athletes of the world! Pull your bloody socks up! These people are obviously saying you're not good Enough!

[@roncollins9222]

Trans Athletes form your own teams and leagues.... But is there any money in it...? ? ?

[@hope9935]

Please don’t call Kellie Jay intolerant. She holds the line not to be unkind but to be kind to all women and the following generations of girls (we are half the population). It is Peter who is intolerant of women having their rights. Unbelievable that women are now in this position.

[@rossrainwater5619]

Eve Becher, Exactly ! This is all in the Agenda 21.. Thought long ago by the Tyrants then..Rockefeller and Rothschild. In their Agenda ,which thanks to Corrupt Governments And the likes of Peter Tatchell, It’s all to actually diminish Women, ..here in America we have So Called Men in high schools saying they’re Trans Women, Demanding To Enter young women’s Showers, Toilets, And Being allowed to do so... Peter is here along with all the other pushers of this very sinister agenda, to demoralize our young women... It’s pure Misogyny!.....and now we have last week of November 15 th, Pedophiles Demanding RESPECT, for their Sexual Feelings towards Children ! They want to be called PEOPLE who are Attracted to MINOR PEOPLE! This is Also in the Plan To destroy Western Culture, “ Corrupt the Children “. “ Vulgarize And Sexualize Children’s Clothing “. Etc..Time To Stand Up for our Women and Girls. The Beautiful Kellie Jay is Correct here. Many many of us will never refer to Caitlin Jennings as SHE, It’s Jennings , who was a Fine Athlete years ago, who decided to change his gender.. we could care less.. Enuf said. Basically I have a inkling this is a case of lots of wrinkles and Little Else. My best to all Humans both Male and Female. Thanks to the Creator it’s a Perfect Duo.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

Thats WOKE for you.

[@MarciaMatthews]

It’s kindness to tell the truth.

[@phamnuwen9442]

Recognizing reality, that a man is a man; that A is A, is not intolerance.

[@wildcampingharry]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@johnpemberton655]

“There is a category trans-women can compete in, it’s called the mens category” 😂😂😂😂 **BOOOM**

[@leonharrison800]

We can choose athletes on muscles,size and weight. Problem solved.

[@susanhopemason]

​@@leonharrison800And lung capacity, bone density, wing span, center of gravity, and every other way in which men and women are built differently and have different physical capabilities due to those physical differences.

[@leonharrison800]

@susanhopemason There are Transgender women who compete according to weight and height with women and who are beaten by women!!! Not all unequal! And there are sports where winning is not all that matters!!!! Transgender women are not all "cuckoo women " out to destroy womens sport or be predatory!!!

[@FrankieTalki]

Nice body but shame about your face, did you do your body this way to make up for your face?, like most do.

[@raia9]

"Tatchell says "I'm a human rights activist" - what these people fail to realize is women as 51% of the human race also have or should have human rights ie a level playing field for sport. Go Kellie-jay we love you.

[@lollypton4572]

Tatchell is a pedophile apologist. He should be eliminated from all public debate.

[@andyhalstead3949]

Tatchell also stated that not all sex with children is abusive. He's a very dangerous individual. I've been saying this for years, and yet nobody has argued about it .

[@spectre8788]

Tatchell doesn’t care about women - has no use for women

[@eveeve9758]

Kellie-Jay is brilliant. Thank you for speaking the truth and standing for women

[@Bob-ts2tu]

standing up for all of us with a sense of fairness and common sense

[@stanettiels7367]

She’s a rabid feminist. Her ideology is at the root of the problems. Identity politics and intersectionality, something she’s played up to for years, is now going against her and affecting her, and only now it’s a problem. Although I absolutely agree with her on this issue her ideology is cancerous. Her and her ilk were the genesis of this nonsense.

[@eveeve9758]

@@stanettiels7367 ideology? That women don’t have penises? 😆

[@stanettiels7367]

@@eveeve9758 It’s not just about that. She’s a radical feminist.

[@jackpringle2771]

I love Kellie-Jay! She’s gorgeous and speaks the truth

[@oldmantwitch5557]

Why is it, almost always men, telling women, what is good for their sport, and making the rules?

[@ladylove3636]

Patriarchy mate x

[@pommiebears]

Exactly. I wouldn’t call myself a feminist at all….. but this is just a bloody cheek. lol.

[@hooligan9794]

Where exactly do you get that from. Do you even know the gender composition of the Olympic committee? It's also about men and women's sport. It's more relevant to women for obvious reasons.... Oh wait sorry, you were engaging in pathetic virtue signalling. Well done Mark, you're one of the good ones!

[@birdman6813]

It's not men telling women. It's women telling women. Just ask them!!

[@oldmantwitch5557]

@@hooligan9794 The members of the IOC. PRESIDENT: Thomas BACH (M). VICE-PRESIDENTS: Zaiqing YU (M) Ser Miang NG (M) John COATES (M) AC Nicole HOEVERTSZ (F). Members: Robin E. MITCHELL (M) Denis OSWALD (M) Nenad LALOVIC (M) Ivo FERRIANI (M) Prince Feisal AL HUSSEIN (M) Nawal El MOUTAWAKEL (F) Mikaela COJUANGCO JAWORSKI (F) Gerardo WERTHEIN (M) Kristin KLOSTER AASEN (F) Emma TERHO (F). Director in charge : Christophe DE KEPPER (M). Top 16 positions. 11 men, 5 women. Mostly men.

[@herbertlongfellow7702]

Kellie-Jay is so great at debating. She's calm, too the point, makes all her points without butting in or talking over anyone. She is fantastic.

[@WatchDMP]

This topic should should be the easiest to debate as she does .. Sadly it is not..smh

[@QuestNation3221]

This shouldn’t have to be debated in the first place.

[@colinweir5807]

All the woman athletes want is a level playing field. Keep woman's sport for woman.

[@draculaslapdog3133]

Is this guy for real? Men have an advantage over women, something we have known since the birth of humanity.

[@richardfox6595]

No he's always been a lunatic but on rare occasions he's accidentally been right. Not this time.

[@alexsdb9712]

Exactly. And there are heavily built women, but it's different than a heavily built male version. Also, the muscle fibres are different, and the skeletal system is totally different.

[@HelloKittykat21]

@@richardfox6595 Not right either when he's advocating for adults to be able to have sex with children because it does not harm them. He's a monster and he wants to try telling all the children that were abused in care homes or by church members or the girls in the grooming scandals that they haven't really suffered any harm!

[@mfoltz3720]

@@HelloKittykat21 that’s shocking he said that. Was it in a publication he contributed to you or is there a video clip of this? 😱

[@HelloKittykat21]

@@mfoltz3720 He campaigns for lowering the age of consent, There is something not right with him.

[@ConesuelaLadyTailor]

It is interesting how men like Tatchell believe they have the authority to tell women they must accept his (a male) definition of what a woman is and women must not challenge it. If they do dare to challenge his definition they will be labelled as someone who is full of hate. It is blatant misogyny.

[@sumthingwickedly]

He should identify as a bellend

[@sidnotvicious8442]

On the Left a gay person is considered more important than a straight one, and as he normally only deals with people sympathetic to the Left he normally only gets agreement to his bigotry. As a result he believes his anti-women views are more important than honesty and common sense. The fact he knows a very puny man who fits into a minor Ladies' football team, he thinks all Trans people should be considered in the same way. Even man-shaped 6' 6" men.

[@deeceecorfield8103]

@@sumthingwickedly Ha ha ha!!! Absolutely spot on Shona!!!!

[@sumthingwickedly]

@@deeceecorfield8103 i can't sing but I'm betting you'd like to hear me 😂😂😂

[@sumthingwickedly]

@@deeceecorfield8103 furthermore he should identify as a spunktrumpet and f*** off

[@CatAtomic99]

Unbelievable. The jury isn't "out" on the advantages of testosterone. That just flies in the face of reality.

[@beat1riz]

Short answer: no. Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@patriciathewisher2315]

As Tatchell.has written about his belief that children 'having sex' with adults is harmless, then it's hardly surprising he's all on for men beating the crap out of women in women's sports and causing women serious harm, etc. No idea why anyone wants to hear the dangerous nonsense he spouts. Kellie Jay is wonderful and it's ludicrous to suggest that if she won't lie to validate blokes that somehow that problem is hers.

[@roncollins9222]

And nobody mentioned Women's boxing...!

[@alexandradugan2301]

He is disgusting. Im shocked any news sources even platform him.

[@MarI-Posa]

@@alexandradugan2301 No one should be non platformed. Much better that we hear Mr Tatchell views.

[@johnxforce4]

It’s funny how only in sports trans women but rarely trans men you get to see… why is that.. is it because women know that they are at an disadvantage in most sports against men and that men that identify as women then participate in women’s events are sh*t in the male division..

[@thomasneedham1224]

Say what now? I knew there was something wrong with this guy. I hate predators this.

[@bigboobiessogood]

Why do female to male trans people never win in male sports? And why is the discussion always about male to female trans?

[@sumthingwickedly]

Yeah I cant see blokes kicking off if a bunch of women joined in their sports they wouldn't give a cats cock

[@sparkz56]

Seriously?

[@emmahowells8334]

Cause when women who transition to male, they aren't equal strength, muscle mass or bone density etc, so that is why biological males win against them.

[@africanbeautifulgirl]

@@sumthingwickedly I think they will actually love it.

[@misspurrr-fect3684]

@@buildmotosykletist1987 That’s already happened with American trans MMA fighter Fallon Fox who smashed in “their“ opponents skull & nearly killed her .

[@dougieroberts7045]

Kelly is 100% correct. Nice to hear somebody talking sense in a world that is slowly going mad. Kelly isnt being intolerant, she is being honest, why on earth is honesty frowned upon just to please a man who thinks hes a woman.

[@sfg5620]

Kellie Jay speaks for women's rights in such an articulate way!

[@techtipsuk]

Love Kelly Jay. Talks sense and is rather nice. Men competing in woman’s sport no matter what they’ve gone through is absolutely bollocks.

[@ladylove3636]

Most of which they have mostly external but a few internal too. Womens sports need to be XX only which would solve that issue x

[@Dancestar1981]

I agree women’s sport for biological women only

[@maggieashton2111]

Absolutely no way. Maybe be a swan in the ballet Swan Lake instead. !

[@richardlloyd2589]

@@ladylove3636 Have said same. Male=xy, female=xx. Simple DNA test, job done.

[@ladylove3636]

@@richardlloyd2589 there are a miniscule amount of those with slight variation, but science knows also if they are a variation of XX or XY. A simple test would get those with Y and internal testes, doping, out of women's sports x

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

Tatchell is neither trans or a woman yet he thinks he has a right to discuss and choose for women what they can and cannot have to themselves

[@pommiebears]

Right? Isn’t it wonderful to be told what is best for women, by a man wanting biological men to play women’s sports?

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

@Anika Well your iddy biddy friend is still male, their bones are denser, their muscles strong, their body is built different and women dont exist to validate your iddy biddy friend. Find a male football team to play with with other iddy biddy males

[@dawnhauton7543]

I am sick and tired of men telling me , a woman, what to de ... I thought people had died for the rights of women to self determine .....

[@hbalint88]

@@1986kerrichinchilla but they validate if they dont know that she is trans anyway

[@maxtroy]

I’m a man on testosterone replacement therapy due to a head injury I had that massively lowered my natural level. Throughout I was training in the gym to lift the heaviest weights I could. Within 3 months of starting therapy my lifting in the gym DOUBLED. I went from exhausted all the time / inability to recover quickly to having what seems like boundless energy and recovery just isn’t an issue now. Testosterone is literally nature’s anabolic steroid.

[@billj4525]

You doubled your strength though? Wow your levels must have been really low if you got that much stronger. I know most of the people I knew said they gained a few pounds on their lifts when going on TRT, but doubled strength is insane. Glad you had such good results in the gym and elsewhere in you life.

[@rosaob5842]

Peter Tatchell normally speaks with wisdom and compassion. But on this subject he is so wrong! The jury is not out on testosterone levels, nor is out on ribcage, lungs and heart size nor muscle percentage nor hip angulation. Wake up Peter you're being used and women are suffering!

[@WillCamx]

Your question should be "Should men be allowed to compete in women's sport" because that's what they are.

[@Moira_Gloucestershire]

Trans women are women

[@jasperhorace7147]

@@Moira_Gloucestershire No they are not. They only think they are!

[@willtheclimatealarmistsall7728]

@@Moira_Gloucestershire If you dig up the skeleton of a trans woman in few years, it'll undesputably be a man's skeleton. People can't magically become something just by thinking they're that thing.

[@phoebewashington2709]

@@Moira_Gloucestershire women are women. men are men.

[@stevenesbitt3528]

By what standard?

[@petewhitehouse5835]

Tatchell is an embarrassment to people called Peter

[@davidloughlin2238]

I would go further and say he is an embarrassment to those even not called Peter😀. He talks such absolute rubbish.

[@catrionamacfarlane4949]

He obviously likes the sound of his own voice.

[@whdunstew2169]

Lol

[@supermansbigsister3012]

God bless Kellie-Jay Keen.. The world needs more women like her..

[@lizib3378]

Bravo to your bravery for speaking your truth I'm with you Kelly Jay

[@jazztheglass9996]

If Tatchel told me water was wet I would get a second opinion

[@markbev7032]

Why should a mediocre man take the place of a women on a women's team?

[@loubieloujones5698]

Precisely. It's totally misogynistic

[@pankakesnotstellar]

@Bree Dayzed aka men.

[@pankakesnotstellar]

@Bree Dayzed there's only one way you're a woman, by lying. No reputable medical organisation in the world parrots twaw...I've a very simple logic test for you: if you're a woman, what is the trans for?

[@lizrogers4819]

@Bree Dayzed no all that's needed is a solid foundation in COMMON SENSE.

[@angela3900]

@Bree Dayzed How can you be a 'woman' when you were born and raised a male? A woman is an adult female human being. As a biological woman, I find it insulting for the word woman to be subjective when being a woman is based on science not feelings.

[@fenwelder2474]

How on earth did we get to this point.

[@dman5ful]

Thank you for speaking up for women Kelly Jay ❤️❤️

[@phoebewashington2709]

Tatchell: "we have to be very very careful before we exclude people" - as he argues for women to be excluded from their own spaces and sports.

[@LS-hq1qe]

That bloke is as confused as those that he defends

[@CA-ee1et]

He sees the 'trans rights' fight today as if it was the gay rights battle of the 80s, where he was assaulted and people exercised their moral disgust at him. However there is a massive world of difference. For a start gay men who said they were gay were telling the truth; men who claim they are really women are lying. And for another thing the trans lobby has woke big business, the civil service and God knows who on its side, the gay rights crowd never had any of that.

[@Jay-iu5bi]

Yet again we have a man telling women how they should think and feel, and that they should just shut about it.

[@judeesee894]

The beginning of the end of women’s competitive sports. This man is insufferable. “I want this conversation to end.” Me too…me too

[@speakeasy5306]

A Male has aprox' 20% more muscle mass than a Woman. Which equates to a 20 metre head start when racing against a woman in a 100 metres sprint. I'm kinda old fashioned .. But I call that CHEATING ...

[@Double_Vision]

It's 2021, Newspeak dictates that we call that "Tolerance".

[@Dancestar1981]

It is cheating

[@phoebewashington2709]

Remember when the East German female athletes were disqualified because of their testosterone levels?

[@tallthinkev]

@@phoebewashington2709 And their willy's!

[@schnabel5347]

@@phoebewashington2709 Yes, and the swim team too. They found a way to cheat taking testosterone without getting caught. This transgender nonsense finds a way to legalize it.

[@barleyafloat]

No. They are MEN

[@philipmulville8218]

The IOC is a disgrace.

[@raggycat6821]

Bodies win sporting competitions, not identities. Allowing men to compete with women is clearly wrong and I'm fed up of all the gas-lighting going on around this issue.

[@lizenglish6130]

Kellie-Jay Keen is brilliant. She talks absolute sense and won’t be bullied.

[@divasbraidz]

It's easy to be brilliant even genius when your opponent is as delusional as they are.

[@kinglear5952]

What was she doing with all her brilliance before she started on this subject?

[@R_Pennington]

"I want this conversation to END, not to continue." Gosh, that was refreshing to hear. And as always: Kellie-Jay... NEVER... loses.

[@maly2ts408]

If trans people want to take part in sport let them have there own games

[@montanacreed5826]

Since when has participation in sport been a right?

[@RIANAVENTER]

No trans persons in women's sport. Women should boycott any event where the field is not level.

[@BigBenn2014]

Perhaps if male tennis players self identified as women and entered the women’s tennis at Wimbledon, we’ll finally see this nonsense for what it is, as the women get pushed out of their own competition.

[@barleyafloat]

That would be funny. Beat the bourgeoisie at their own game. I like it

[@andipandi5641]

only if they can do the highly erotic groans..

[@barleyafloat]

@@andipandi5641 🤢🤢🤢

[@Svoorhout85]

South Park had a great scene about that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4PdXoWPerSUn8k

[@dickenscider7328]

Even that manly Serina Williams has said she would be annihilated by any pro man tennis player.

[@birdman6813]

"The jury is still out on whether high testosterone is an advantage". What a load of bollocks!

[@sianais]

They should legalize doping then. They are the flat earthers of gender. "Show me the science, or more research" means "I won't accept anything not twisted to prove me right" to them. God help us.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@sianais Maybe you should look at some actual science regards 'flat earth', read beyond what you're being sold before comparing it to the tripe spouted by this nut job (As in I agree with the fact testosterone increaes performance as do other factors in those born males). I've a science background and I'm intrigued by what's been discussed People are indoctrinated from out the womb by 'our world is a sphere' and so much more, maybe just maybe you're not understanding the arguments and are easily led by those whom are pushed as being respectable/leaders in their field? You only need look at the last 20+ months to see how leaders in their field are liars, cowards, lack integrity, ignore the science truth and attempt to pillory/discredit it with their own 'science', they've an agenda being fed by the true global powers to supress freedoms and control the human race whilst living in absolute luxury

[@raia9]

We used to call it a lie.

[@HabibaFromNorway]

You go girl Kelly Jay! You tell them!

[@kiviuq3495]

We all need to speak our minds about this crap in public, not just online. Don't be intimated! Our children's futures are at stake here. And we need to know where our politicians stand when it comes to election time.

[@BlytheInBlack]

The IOC is despicable for this. Women should not have to compete against men. We will not put up with this.

[@stuartwright8421]

Er! Have you never heard of "feminism". Women competing against men is "THE" central tenet of feminism. In certain cases even with an unfair advantage e.g. quotas or women only shortlists. So now we have a culture full of women doing a fine impression of 2nd rate men! And surprise, surprise; feminism has not created happier women!

[@ameliam7898]

@@stuartwright8421 3rd & 4th wave feminism lost the plot for sure

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@stuartwright8421 There are many different kinds of feminism. The Suffragettes (considered by many to be the first feminists) campaigned for single-sex spaces (previously there were only shared bathrooms and harassment was rife to the point that women refused to use them). Now, though, we have a whole subset of women who consider themselves feminists and trans allies who are actually trying to demolish single-sex spaces. While other feminist groups, lesbians and normal sensible people are defending the necessity of sex-based segregation. Feminism is too varied to summarise as one thing.

[@MaidenOfMusic]

@@stuartwright8421 I don't think most feminists would argue that women should be competing against men in sports, where men have a distinct biological advantage. Feminism (at least the kind that I resonate with and understand), aims to achieve equality of opportunity in areas such as the workforce, where women are equally capable as men. You say feminism hasn't created happier women...I'd be interested to hear how you came to such a confident conclusion. If it weren't for women's rights, I wouldn't be allowed to vote, get a job, or own property. In fact, I would be considered property.

[@stuartwright8421]

@@MaidenOfMusic Sociologists & psychologists, with nothing better to do, ascertained, through study, that the West's most unhappy person is:-"Female" age 42 with a successful, lucrative career. Unmarried & childless.Feminism was "never" about equality. It was always about power, privilege & entitlement. Tell me the last time you saw quotas & short lists for women to operate high cranes on building sites in winter?! If it's admitted that men have a distinct physical (& I would argue intellectual) advantage then the whole ridiculous concept of equality is a fallacy. Born from delusion or mendacity. Given maximum freedom of opportunity men & women make very different choices. Men & women were meant to cooperate not compete with each other.

[@windingvines1]

Refusing to participate in someone's sexual fantasy now called intolerant ffs.

[@richardkuehn7015]

Thatchell is being so disingenuous as everybody knows there are massive differences between male and female physiology.

[@bluesyhandles6109]

Should men be allowed to compete in women's sports? Simple answer is no. It's not hard to comprehend. If men are allowed to compete with women it is no longer women's sports. Love Kellie-Jay, she speaks so much sense.

[@user-tc7lb6rr4r]

Utterly insane ruling…this has nothing to do with transphobia, it’s just common sense, no one is upset over trans men competing against men..so there you have it, it’s purely trying to protect women in their spaces!

[@markbev7032]

Its pure hatred of women

[@andrewcharley1893]

There is no room in today's world for common sense. Thinking it can now get you jailed.

[@sumthingwickedly]

Peter is a professional protester about any old shite that's popular

[@charlytaylor1748]

I admire the guy. He's put himself on the line many times. Unfortunately he's about 90% wrong these days.

[@jeantaylor9908]

Shonda McDonald, maybe but I think as he is a gay man his misogyny runs deep. So his support of trans is another way to express his misogyny!!!

[@sumthingwickedly]

@@jeantaylor9908 tbf stonewall ran out of traction gay marriage done pretty much gays done so need a new agenda and it's not clever weirdo crap we can't get on board with. He's not a trans so not his fight he's a professional protester and his argument is keep arguing although I'm talking shit so i get airtime

[@sumthingwickedly]

@@charlytaylor1748 He's a professional protester what he done years ago was effective now it's bs and he's spinning on the coat tails of hyperbole instead of saying my jobs done basically a prock

[@loungejay8555]

But it's not "popular" though, that's the thing; most people think that this is all madness.

[@wolfsettgast4945]

Funny how Tatchell distinguishes between "biological women" and trans "women" and yet he wants to have them compete against each other.. What a nonsense.

[@madeyoulook6392]

I'm a fat bloke and I feel discriminated against because I haven't put in the life long training, sacrificed the diet I want to eat as opposed to the diet top athletes must adhere to, given up on a social life to dedicate to my chosen sport and continually get discriminated against by losing to those who have 🤷 fat, lazy blokes feelings matter too, stop the genocide !!! Tatchell must have got a brain injury that time Mugabe's security guards rag dolled him. Why is this argument solely directed at woman's sport? Why are we not seeing these issues in men's sport? Does that not speak volumes?

[@jillturner8680]

Every time a man participates in women's sport, a woman loses out. An aspiring young female athlete will wonder what's the points.

[@MrMadmanUSA]

Imagine working your whole life to be the top woman's athlete and then you go to the Olympics and get beat by a trans person. Just pathetic

[@jessam4875]

I’m absolutely aghast that this is the time I’m living in. I can’t believe I’m watching women’s rights be abolished right in front of my eyes.

[@heather333]

And it's happened so quickly!

[@joelanderson5285]

And they are using the same tactics to do it that feminist themselves used to plow over those of us who opposed the excesses of feminism. What comes around goes around eh.

[@tahu1349]

Most honorable men agree that only women born as women should be allowed to compete in biologically born women sports. But sadly third wave feminism silenced those honorable men. So they can't or won't speak up..... But wasn't there an argument that there is no difference between men and women (from an ideological viewpoint) - by feminists ?......... Remember 25,000 men, women and children die of starvation everyday in the world........Just to put this issue into perspective........

[@realyzze]

@@joelanderson5285 no

[@realyzze]

@@tahu1349 no feminist ever denied that there is difference in biology of males and females. they talked about personalities, they argued that women are also human and not a sexist stereotype

[@barrysteven5964]

Don't think Tatchell has got his head around the vulnerable situation of women vis à vis men. The idea that he thinks women being allowed into a male team is the same as men being in a female team just shows how oblivious he is.

[@1964paulsmith]

He is supposedly a human rights campaigner, but doesn't seem to care about the rights of biological women.

[@bettyswunghole3310]

Even if we overlook the initial fallacy (namely: there exists such a thing as "trans women". There doesn't.), the answer to the question "Should 'trans women' compete in female sports?" is obviously "No. What a ridiculous suggestion.".

[@asmrplushpaws]

Sports shouldn't be gendered.

[@jeanwyldbore4985]

@@asmrplushpaws It isn't. It is sexed.

[@annscott3114]

@@asmrplushpaws Why is that then? What is the REASONING behind your statement? I'm guessing you wont reply because I've seen other comments you've made on other issues and they are all about sentiment and no substance... typical virtue signaler.

[@stonehengeconstructioncc1705]

Why is Peter not advocating for transgender men to compete against biological men in sports? Obviously, it is because there isn't an advantage there. And why is Peter only advocating for the participation of transgender women in women sports? Why is he not advocating for other privileges that biological women enjoy, such as being afforded the opportunity to get womb transplants for the purpose of being able to give birth naturally? There is a lot to being a woman that transgender women can fight for other than infringing on the rights of biological women,🙄

[@s13hgp]

No, certainly not. There should be a catergory for cross-dressing men to compete in.

[@patriciathewisher2315]

I agree but the poor dears don’t want their own category nor their own spaces cos they seem to think it’s somehow their human right to be in all women’s spaces and places. As the vast majority are AGP, part of his whole fetish is to gain validation as ‘women’. I’m sick to death of the way people try to pretend that evident physical differences between males and females magically disappear as soon as some deluded bloke wants validation. It all reveals how little actual women are valued and respected in this world and if this continues unabated there will be no such thing as women’s sport before very long.

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

@@patriciathewisher2315 They see women as props to validate their feelings, what women want or need doesnt matter.

[@Moira_Gloucestershire]

No certainty not. Cross dressers compete with women.

[@areviewer8514]

& Butch Lesbians trying to be Men

[@sidnotvicious8442]

@@patriciathewisher2315 I agree with you. But where on Earth are the feminists? Here they've got real unfairness to women, and on an increasing scale, but mostly remain silent while looking for minor issues to go ballistic about.

[@pdanciger]

Why don't we ever get trans men competing with men that is the question..

[@brucewallace2]

I would marry Kelly but but she's already a mum. A woman with actual balls!!

[@peterweaver1248]

I applaud Kellie-Jay for sticking to her beliefs in the face of woke speech.

[@MoominJude]

I would be horrified if a big hairy man was in my toilet or changing room and they shouldn’t be allowed to participate in ladies sport. They can be who they want to be, but not in women’s supposedly safe spaces or sport.

[@jax9349]

I don't suppose the men would be overly impressed if I went and pissed in their urinals!

[@IanMcFerran]

"When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of Nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against Nature must lead to their own downfall." - Adolf Hitler

[@xz3024]

Peter, you are not a human rights defender. If you were, you wouldn't applaud measures that discriminate half the population.

[@debjane7]

This is the end of women’s sport.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

No big loss. Nice whilst it lasted eh

[@debjane7]

@@OrwellsHousecat I smell misogynistic Incel.

[@joannehunter8475]

@@OrwellsHousecat Don’t like women do you? Bless!

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@joannehunter8475 I love wmn. I'm not impressed by wmns sports. Why are conflating the two?

[@oldsongsnew8797]

She's right.

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

What is wrong with thinking that biological male amateur boxers beating the hell out of amateur female boxers is a bad idea?

[@liszaf3976]

Absolutely not, never, they are men biologically so will have an advantage of strength, what about women's rights!!!!

[@Musical_Man_Guitar]

It is not intolerant to not tell a lie. It is intolerant to expect someone else to tell a lie because YOU want them to!

[@paulhealey6129]

Kelly jay is a real women with a real cervix !!

[@sumthingwickedly]

Bigot transphobe 🤯🤯🤣🤣

[@ricochet2977]

And Peter lost his balls a long time ago.

[@paulhealey6129]

@Anika yes you are so right with that analogy 👍

[@hottleggs1]

If what this guy says is so true then all sports would be unisex and not separated

[@LeeRaldar]

If gender is so important then why in around 8000 years of written history has it only become an issue during the past 20-30 years and only in certain regions of the world.

[@angelaharvey2034]

Discriminating against adult human females appears to be very acceptable in 2021. I am quite appalled. Whether it is the elimination of female language (women called bleeders, cervix havers, or as Peter Tatchell said in a previous interview, describing Kelly-Jay and women as "non trans woman"!). It is very apparent that the reason why there was separate sport for women and men was that women were at a physiological disadvantage when compared to men. A mediocre man can beat an elite woman in sport.

[@accountformelyknownasarsen3072]

Totally agree Angela. For years it was straight white men who were under constant attack and whilst its still open season on them, the lunatic brigade have turned their attention to adult human females as well. They are actively trying to take away your identity. Its utterly disgraceful and its incredibly dangerous. Not only will they end up destroying the hopes and dreams of talented young sportswomen but they`ll end up bloody getting someone killed in the process. Utter madness.

[@j.harrison6744]

As a straight bloke l know i'm telling women what to do, but, feminists need to abandon the Left. From Islam to the Trans issue, the Left too easily throw women under the bus.

[@loubieloujones5698]

I'm incensed. Incandescent. Tatchell's arguments are weak & frankly infantile.

[@pommiebears]

I don’t actually like a man telling me that, he wants biological men, to compete in women’s sports. Exactly who is he to tell women who we should have to compete with? It’s beyond rude.

[@joelanderson5285]

I keep seeing comments like this. It isn't men or some sort of avatar of a gender doing anything. This is coming from the far left, he is just their speaker.

[@reneep.1978]

@@joelanderson5285 You keep seeing comments like these because it is leftist men who are running the narrative on trans-women's rights and notice also that none of them say anything about trans-men's rights on these same issues; do you ever wonder why that is? Could it be that it will contradict their assertions about trans-women? Now, here's some questions for you: - how would you feel about a trans man telling you what it is to be a man? - how would you feel if a trans man insisted that they be allowed to come into your male only spaces? - how would you feel if something you had worked really hard for was taken away from you by a trans-man just because they are trans? - how would you feel about them telling you that you have no say on these issues? that you just had to accept it and say nothing? - how would you feel if your future success was threatened if you spoke out against them? These things are happening to women right now and if you take the time to think long and hard about these questions and answer them honestly to yourself maybe, then you will understand why you keep seeing comments like Pommie Bears; instead of being dismissive of these concerns and just palming it off as just the leftists speaking and thereby not important.

[@joelanderson5285]

@@reneep.1978 Your describing the white male experiance :).

[@miboogaroo]

NO! They should participate in trans women's sports, end of.

[@jagaloon216]

100% they should yes. We have to get SOME kind of laugh out of this nonsense😂😂😂

[@phil122333]

is he high. men have a massive advantage. People live in cookoo land

[@hardworker645]

👍👍

[@evolassunglasses4673]

It will destroy women's sport.

[@Dan_Therapist]

transwomen are women..

[@Dan_Therapist]

@MrCheebz i know, I'm a libertarian. It doesn't cost me anything to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun. Live and let live. They don't impede on my freedoms and i sure as hell dont. So if they say they are women, fine by me. We can stay out of each other's way and still live in a society. No animus

[@SayMyNameSeries]

Peter T is not even making any sense. It's beyond ridiculous. He's definitely not speaking for all gay people. I've actually met him a few times and he's a shit stirrer at times. I want to shake Kellie Jay's hand. Thank her for staying rooted in reality.

[@trevorphillips8727]

Well said Kelly Jay a dangerous path we’re following we need to stop this nonsense

[@jenleigh342]

I'm DISGUSTED that this is even a QUESTION. A human born as a MAN should compete with MEN. PERIOD. Men are BIOLOGICALLY STRONGER THAN WOMEN, therefore it is RIDICULOUS for a TRANS WOMEN, ( Who is not a real WOMEN ) to compete with BIOLOGICALLY BORN FEMALES. I can't BELIEVE that we are discussing this.....Kelly has my FULL SUPPORT. I am SICK OF HEARING about TRANS RIGHTS..🙄🤮🤢🙄🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤮

[@mygranmathinksimcool]

I love watching Kellie Jay's face when she listens to people talk shite 😂

[@janethuxley4220]

So do I, I LOVE her. 😊

[@janettomlinson389]

Me too I just watch her face and marvel at her masterclass. I love her too!

[@joefoley1480]

Shay Woulahan thank you

[@pizzaboy3946]

No. There, that's saved 25 minutes.

[@gmcee9150]

Clear verbal signs of losing an argument: "I just want to start the conversation" "We need more research" "I know one person who is an exception to the rule, so the rule is false" Thatchell embarrassed himself.

[@a.rogers9358]

That guy is a twit. He said absolute nonsense. Mrs. Keen is on point. I hope her voice and influence grows louder. Good host.

[@jont39]

Kelly Jay you diamond one of the amazing WOMEN that are not afraid of saying what powerful MALE politicians are too scared to do.

[@David8n]

The transphobic argument is nonsense. Not letting adults in children's sport wouldn't make you adultist. Not letting heavyweight boxers in the flyweight class wouldn't make you sizeist. Not letting able bodied in the Paralympics wouldn't make you ablist. Not letting cars in motorcycle racing doesn't make you carist. I could do this for hours. Transphobia argument is totally special pleading.

[@trevorluft6032]

That would be fraud a man “appearing”as a woman competing in woman’s sports

[@gillianstapleton8566]

It’s called cheating…

[@alexo2675]

The gay activist is talking about all the average losers in sports. Everyone else is talking about the winners. There can only be one winner and she must win it fairly.

[@karllambert9827]

Truth and honesty needs to be told and the respect for all the hard work these women put in to compete against each other, and to have a man come in saying he or she is now a woman and must be allowed to compete is just wrong wrong wrong no truth no honesty and no respect.

[@barriewilliams4526]

At the age of 85, I preferred it when there were men, women, boys, girls & when gay meant being happy🙃

[@LilyTheCat151]

Tatchell is so disingenuous. He's not stupid. He knows exactly what he's saying

[@lezbefriends4837]

The host calling Kelly intolerant for not using she for Caitlyn Jenner is just B's, the whole reason that we're in this trouble in the first place is because of the polite lie we've been doing, if people want to politely lie for their friends that's their business but it isn't intolerant to speak the truth.

[@divasbraidz]

He apologized so fast when he said he himself just shows how pitiful he is

[@zanderboy27]

Pater Tatchell just broke my f*cking brain.

[@ConesuelaLadyTailor]

Your brain is fine. It is Tatchell's brain that is broken.

[@sumthingwickedly]

Could be worse he could have broke your back 🤣🤣🤣

[@lexiwilson9501]

@@sumthingwickedly OMG . . . ha ha

[@sumthingwickedly]

@@lexiwilson9501 sorry couldn't resist I'm obviously a phobe 🤣

[@birdman6813]

@@sumthingwickedly Yep, saw the movie...Heath Ledger on the rise...

[@factsmatter748]

"She's not the biggest or the strongest on the team"... well, then, he would likely not the eligible to compete in elite sports. There ARE bilological women that are ALSO significantly smaller and not as strong as other women. They wouldn't make the cut to elite women's sports.. Where do THEY get to compete?? Shall we let them join children's competitive sports?

[@habichiblah7534]

Go Kelly. I'm a man, and this sidelining of women over the last few years has sickened me. So glad someones standing up for real WOMEN. That Tatchell think is floundering like the rest of them. No sense to talk - none at all.

[@pumpkinpumpkin1947]

I really do despair about how little the sporting bodies care about keeping womens sports fair and safe for female athletes. It must be so dispiriting to be a female athlete at the moment. No-one male should ever be allowed to compete against female athletes in women's sports. Completely unfair to the female athletes this will destroy women's sport if allowed to continue.

[@Gingerblaze]

That seems to be the plan

[@billj4525]

Absolutely, it completely makes a mockery out of women's sports.

[@our-days-are-short8254]

NO NO NO NO NEVER!

[@brentmorgan8607]

K J talking 100% sense as per usual

[@lyricking7035]

😂😂😂😂that "there is a catergory where trans women can compete tts a man catergory😂😂😂😂😂" tt line was amazing