The Clone High Reboot is an Absolute Mess

Clone High is a series I've held in high regard for years now, and hearing news about the revival had me incredibly excited. While I've heard the show gets better from outside sources, the reboot fails on a multitude of levels that the original series excelled in and seems to lack the comedic spark that made it so memorable.
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[@joshuavis2736]

I think it would’ve been hilarious if they brought Gandhi back and then centred the cancel culture episode around him

[@misfits9294]

That actually FEELS like something the show would do, too, that would have been genius.

[@carlospitteri3146]

Maybe cancel him on the first episode then take him out of the show until the last episode

[@mistergrool3941]

Alternatively, have the cast "overcome" cancel culture at the end of the first episode and Gandhi just phases in from nowhere and everyone acts like he never left

[@joshuavis2736]

@@mistergrool3941 god I would’ve love that. They always had those strange things with Gandhi like him with the ghost trucker and him riding an Aussie dragon

[@MisterSlimee]

genius

[@A_CoolRock]

I’m so happy someone finally mentioned how Abe is HEAVILY out of character in the new season!!!!! The new personality they gave him doesn’t fit the show as a whole at all, ESPECIALLY when he starts saying offensive things in the pilot episode. Seeing the guy who made out with his friend to show that ADD/ADHD wasn’t contagious or a bad thing, be reduced to saying things are “gay” and what not is like replacing him with an entirely new character.

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

The episode where JFK is recording músic for The 4rth of July, he textually says he is "laughing at lyrics that are gay" Abe was right, he would have been cancelled and if The idea was to show that cancell culture targets The wrong people over non issues, (you know that wasnt it) they did it all wrong

[@MaherandIbrahimsAvengers]

the thing I find ironic was how everyone freaked out over Abe saying spaz but like Joan literally said that in the OG series I think the episode would have worked more if Joan was the one to get canceled, or JFK they seem like the most likely candidates to be canceled

[@mlkywine6852]

I’m more surprised that people are taking up for Abe. I mean he was definitely on the bottom compared to everyone else.

[@Elvusmiw]

Did the show get a new writer. That's could be the explanation why episode 1 is like this

[@A_CoolRock]

@@Elvusmiw I’m pretty sure the MAIN writers stayed the same, like Phil Lord and such, but I’m pretty sure they did add new ones.

[@NaviRyan]

I wonder if the extra cast was originally just going to be frida, and Columbus, but was expanded to have more “demographic appeal”. That would at least explain why their is such a clash in character design.

[@1wiilover802hater]

100%. They clearly wanted to add a new character to fit all the major ethnic groups that didn’t get representation. That’s why the new characters are black, Hispanic, and Asian

[@bluetiger2468]

The new characters look like fan OCs. Also, I wished they brought back Gandhi in a stupid way. Maybe they couldn't bring him back at all, but it would have been cool if they had him die, cloned again, change him a bit (like just a different colored shirt), and give him a different name, but keep the same personality. Technically he's not Gandhi anymore if they do that.

[@bluetiger2468]

Now that I think about it, it could have been a good way to refresh the audience's memory because if Gandhi died, and replaced with a different version of him with a new name. Abe could tell him a quick, fast-paced, recap of what happened previously. And then they just continue the show as if it didn't stop. Because I'm a bit tired of when shows get rebooted and the "main" new plot point is, "Look at how different today is compared of when the show was released! Phones! TikTok! Blah blah blah".

[@christopherauzenne5023]

I also think part of why the new characters aren’t that great is because, at the end of the day, they’re pretty much OC. And what I mean by that is that is they feel less like characters designed for the story of clone high they feel more like an artist going “hey this what I think Harriet Tubman/insert historical figure would look like in Clone High”. And like fan art characters they are often over designed compared to the actual cast (with the exception of frida whose many colors fit her historic figure) Additionally they don’t serve a major archetype/character role so they just wave about. Clone high is a satire of teen dramas and the original historic figs each fit an archetype that also matches with who the original figure was (Cleopatra as the sought after beautiful girl in school, jfk as the typical jock playboy, Lincoln as the Everyman who’ll eventually do the right thing, Joan of arc as the non conforming tomboy) most of the new characters aren’t designed with the mentality of “what historical figure would fit this teen drama archetype” which would be fine if they were secondary characters instead of main ones and they end up coming off as relatively boring. This is why Christopher Columbus is the most interesting of the new clones because he at least has an interesting character/motivation, a clone of an infamous/hated historical figure whose trying to distance himself from that (sorta like how ghandi couldn’t live up to the original so decided to be a party guy instead)

[@theamazingjack3039]

Abe gets cucked, tortured, and canceled, Columbus is bad, main cast gets enormous character changes and replaced by "diverse" characters who are given praise and power without earning it. Calling it woke seems accurate.

[@ajakakakak]

By having different characters it’s woke? Damn why we calling everything woke now atp I should be calling my dog woke

[@theamazingjack3039]

@@ajakakakak Some of these new characters are woke because they embody the ideology of the writer that wrote them not because they're new. We don't just dismiss an argument because we fail to understand it means, or because you get tired of woke political views being called out.

[@phunkyzilla]

I really hate the random intense violence used in the new series because they can’t think of a good joke they just add random shock violence which would only be shocking to a child. But I’ve watched every episode they’ve put out so far and I just think this isn’t a great reboot.

[@boop53]

The only joke in this reboot which made me laugh was seeing Marilyn Manson in the little cancelled corner that they force Abe to sit in

[@kyleman0122]

Im kinda glad that my boi gandhi didnt have to witness what this show has become 😔

[@slippycool3455]

the only joke I really liked is the one where Scudworth accidentally pours coffee on himself twice and Mr. B rips on the previous show saying "why would anybody do something a second time after getting burned so hard the first time"

[@parrsnipps]

The second you showed the reboot clips was like having someone open a blast furnace in my face.

[@BabyGhast4]

Never seen clone high, but those clips you showed were hysterical. I really hope the Futurama reboot doesn’t fumble, it’s one of my favourite pieces of adult animation.

[@robynsegg]

And what's worse: 2 episodes in and Mr.Butlertron doesn't even say, "Wesleeeeeeeyyyyyyy..." What's up with that?

[@shantanukarandikar2568]

Honestly the only characters that feel just like the old ones are skudworth and mr b. Their design looks just like their old one and their voices match too(mr b is a bit weird tho). Every other character sounds and feels massively different to their original counterparts. Also weirdly the characters express a lot more but idk i think a lot of the comedy came from the stillness of the characters.

[@dylansharp8471]

How exactly?

[@Deseko]

I just can't bring myself to watch it. Also, always nice to see another Downtown fan!

[@NatCosplaysBae]

I haven’t seen ANYONE else mention the weezer joke IT WAS SO FUNNY

[@izzysteven5870]

Finally someone’s talking about how terrible the backgrounds are! They look very cut and dry, with plain blue sky and plain green grass. Also has anyone noticed how many scenes are front face zoom ins? Not sure if that makes sense…but I don’t remember the original series showing characters full face. Example being Cleo, most shots had her head slightly to the side. I feel like they tried to save time or money by only having to animate faces and not the whole body. Also don’t get me wrong I understand there are reasons to have a close up but it felt so frequent.

[@self-absorbed5269]

If there's one thing I can't stand , it's when people over 40 make fun of the internet. It's a type of joke that's flawed by concept.

[@millieworld1012]

fortunately it progressively gets better throughout the season

[@GoodGregory]

The only good thing about Ghandi not being in season 2 is him not being affected by bad writing

[@SekuJen]

fr

[@discordmemes1231]

fax

[@megamax898]

Ghandi was the lucky one. The rest of them got massive flanderiztion and now we are supposed to hate them. Especially Joan and Abe.

[@AlanSmith555]

What No

[@that_deadeyegamer7920]

I blame Abe's new character on people misunderstanding his original intention. A bunch of people think he's just an asshole and a womanizer because he didn't notice Joan's advances until last minute, so seeing them lean into the that stereotype and completely lose his original character is disheartening

[@dybixs1400]

I think is exactly what happened. They took too seriously the new fandom in 2021 about Abe being always annoying, that's why now acts perpetually stupid

[@SchmergDergen]

I can’t imagine the moron that would think Abe is a womanizer when JFK is in the show.

[@SchmergDergen]

@@dybixs1400 and now they appeal to people with shit taste.

[@jcarter6213]

Meanwhile they worship Joan. Hand genders been reversed Abe would be in a good light and Joan would be portrayed as an ass

[@keithflippers4429]

They have the same writers and Abe only does this for like an episode

[@dominantbelief]

I was honestly so mad how dirty they did Harriet Tubman. Literally NO ONE would be able to tell who she was if they didn't tell you. Confucius as well no one would be able to tell who that is. THE ONLY person who feels like he belongs is Topher Bus. He looks similar to the old art style, he acts like an OG Clone High character and he's actually funny. The thing that really grinded my gears was how over designed the new characters like, Abe had a white and blue shirt with khakis, Joan had a black crop top with green pants, Gandhi has a grey tee with jeans etc. I hate the reboot.

[@autumntaylor2533]

Literslly epic rap battles did a better parody of confucius than clone high

[@djneonreaper4990]

While i do hate harriet's design. I always found it strange when people say they're bad because "they dont look like who they're based on" because most people who look at joan wouldnt connect her with joan of arc at first glance either. (I personally like confiucius' design, ignoring the horrible neon color palette.)

[@pixelsovertears]

@@djneonreaper4990 The Clones always have something characteristic from the person they are based from on their personality or their design, i guess that's what they mean. even so, the new designs are obnoxious

[@HumanPersonYes]

Christopher Columbus is the only new character that feels like he actually belongs, honestly hes pretty cool

[@askatuproductions]

I love him tbh xd

[@Visceralx1]

I love his design and character, even though hes a chronically online schmuck.

[@kaygratv]

This set of opinions is internally consistent, at least. I'm not sure I like what it says, but it's consistent.

[@ghhn4505]

Just like the real one....

[@HumanPersonYes]

@@ghhn4505 shut up

[@helixsol7171]

"Answer the question!" I love how JFK acknowledges that a roundhouse kick to the face doesn't constitute an answer. He needs verbal confirmation or denial.

[@TheZephyrsWind]

He & Gandhi were definitely the best characters in my opinion!

[@taylorhope4651]

Thanks for explaining the joke

[@NateS917]

​@@taylorhope4651 could you really not get it?

[@PlebNC]

JFK being ahead of his time by understanding a roundhouse kick to the face doesn't constitute consent or denial.

[@_Jotop]

@@NateS917 i think youre the one who didnt get it

[@VirtuosoI]

Harriet and Frida definitely look like Total Drama ocs

[@eddiestrashdump]

I think that was because a total drama designer actually designed them, don’t quote me on that though

[@PepsiZM]

I😢 wanna😢 be😢 famous😢

[@pepsicannot]

They don’t work on it anymore

[@Chiwowza]

Ironically the Total Drama art style was heavily influenced by Clone High

[@Cabinet_Juice]

The animation reminds me of Total Drama, and not in a good way

[@morocolaatdi3018]

The fact Frida Khalo ALREADY appeared in one of the last episodes of Season 1 with a totally fitting design is the most painful part about this reboot

[@bedophobic]

same with harriet 😭 her design was so much better and fit the show more than the new one, i hate how they completely ignored them

[@futurehofer1564]

nah the new one is so much better, the other one looked like a "mean girl" type girl and I dont think that fits Frida

[@SourChicken1856]

​@@futurehofer1564 It fits better than this shit. The real Frida was a bitch and a toxic person in a toxic marriage

[@kylewilliams5454]

Frida looks a thousand times better than season 1. What are y'all on?

[@kylewilliams5454]

Fitting? She was hideous.

[@b4ooks233]

It’s just that Gandhi was pretty much the main character for most of the B plots in every episode what he brought to the show was a lot more than people think They should’ve just said he’s Gary Coleman.

[@dylansharp8471]

They said that if they didn't get canceled back then, they would have revealed that.

[@sisters8a]

Yup, say they got his ID mixed up when cloning and tagged him with the incorrect name. And have him make a joke about how “that’s why I always found the solution in the path of violence” or smthn. Maybe even have episodes with him coping with his new identity and the fact he’s no longer Indian.

[@Cabinet_Juice]

That was the original plan before the show was cancelled

[@zeldagameryt4018]

I thought he was going to be a clone of Chris Tucker (I heard from somewhere)

[@someoneman1737]

In general, I thought that at the beginning of the reboot, the director would call Gandhi to his office, say, “Well, in short, you lived for 16 years with the thought that you were Gandhi, but in short you were not Gandhi, but someone else” and he literally spent the whole season looking for himself, trying different images and activities to understand who he is. This "mistake" could well have been found by a more serious Candid, so

[@lol3342]

I remember someone saying Confucius looks like a Fortnite skin and I think that was the best way to describe how he looks like lmao

[@ferretonahelmet]

nah bro looks like fortnite ninja himself..

[@v0m1tg0r3gutzz]

Everyone's been either calling him that or Ninja. And they're sadly not wrong.

[@Regigigas_YT]

If that was a skin I would never buy, even if it 1 coin

[@youraveragenickel2177]

This feels like such a small complaint, but I hate how the sharp edges of Joan's design have been rounded. It just looks so...off.

[@Nagasakevideo]

The only criticism of this reboot I can agree with

[@taylorhope4651]

Right she looks terrible

[@W4fflu]

real

[@kaobunn]

that's pretty minor in a number of other larger issues

[@Riptor25]

Lol right? It's so jarring and I wasn't expecting that to be such a weird complaint of mine

[@TheDigitalApple]

I’m more disappointed how the newer characters, like Confucius, and Harriet Tubman don’t resemble their historical counterparts compared to Joan, Abe or John which as someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time studying history is extremely disappointing.

[@yulee3266]

dosent joan of arc look very different from her real life version or am I missing something?

[@onettaviator5396]

I think Frida Kahlo works? She's actually my favorite design out of the whole cast, even the old ones. And Columbus. But Confucious & Harriet, I think they went a little too over the top on.

[@berserk972]

You are reaching with Joan of ark dude

[@limeyell0w945]

The way this comment starts and ends with saying you're disappointed mildly infuriates me

[@kameahbenjamin178]

​@@onettaviator5396 yeah, Frida works because she's an artist and the colors aren't as painfully bright as on the other two

[@Bolderox]

I just can't get over how they made Joan a literal SMOOTHBRAIN, they removed the sharp forehead

[@pinkfanatic]

OMG finally someone mentioned it

[@isaax961]

What I hate the most is like, Why couldn't they just manage the new characters the way they did with Jesuscristo, Monroe or Toots? They had less lines compared to the main cast, but my god are they iconic and so good.

[@dybixs1400]

Good point, they even could just use one of those extra clones to join the main cast but no, and now also the extra clones from S1 are more useless and now are straight background characters. Sad

[@iexisted583]

Like van gogh was unforgettable to me despite only having one line in the show + background character were historical figures not random designs of normal teenagers it made the background more interesting

[@bonkercube8974]

@@iexisted583 The Khan of all Khans was my favorite background character, I remember the Episode where he was very coherent and acted very Smart.

[@ashuraomega7113]

This is why I don't like the idea of reviving shows that were cancelled eons ago. They'll just never be as great as they once were and it's hard to bring back the original people who worked on them in the first place because at that point they've already moved on.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Not everything needs to be brought back, especially shows that had a proper ending such as Avatar.

[@ThePoisonSteel]

Exactly. Some shows can capture lightning in a bottle and managing to do that twice is incredibly hard. Even if you get the original people back, times change and so do people; they may not be able to make that same magic happen again. It's happened many times before and it'll happen many times after. It's why I'll always say that it's better to let a show die while it's at its peak than bring it back/continue it until it's a shadow of its former self. What a shame.

[@gabbls_]

I understand what you're talking about, but I feel it won't always be that case. It just has to be done right, which would take a lot of brainstorming.

[@WobblesandBean]

Samurai Jack has entered the chat

[@cordyceps7531]

@@WobblesandBean wasn't the ending terrible tho

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

Harriet Tubman should’ve been Madam CJ Walker, a successful black woman known for revolutionizing female black hair care; the hair design would’ve made way more sense. Hell, imagine them changing it for every scene transition or every episode with traditionally black hair styles! Or a shot reverse shot joke where her hair changes styles every time it cuts back to her!

[@FourTapGames]

oh hear me out. keep them black assholes out. they're already blackwashing media as a whole. why do we need them oin what was once an amazing show. it's fucking dumb.

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

Aw man, that would have been cool,

[@dannydamnmendez]

That would be a hella creative idea ngl

[@Elvusmiw]

Why couldn't phil lorde and Christopher miller think of that

[@mathieuleader8601]

maybe if it has another series CJ could comeback

[@brianpacheco9606]

My big problem is the new clone’s design Harriet, Confucius, and Frida look like oc’s

[@kysell]

They look terrible

[@TheDigitalApple]

Their appearances and personalities are not even close to their historical counterparts.

[@IamKoishiKomeiji]

Yeah, I agree. They stick out like a sore throat and it kinda gets distracting at times ngl.

[@uchihabomber1296]

I mean to be fair I guess they are trying to make them look more Gen Z since these clones are supposed to be Gen Z clones which is why I wasn’t so bothered by it since their in high school

[@foxtoons1999]

Harriet looks like a rejected Total Drama contestant.

[@bruhperson459]

christopher columbus seems like the only new character that actually fits into the show, meanwhile the other three look like characters that were stolen from another cartoon and stuffed in this one.

[@theonebeing981]

There was one joke really broke me, the "I corrected his grammar, we won".

[@EmmanuelRodriguez-ch7pi]

​@Alex Wells rent free.

[@gektoast4968]

@Alex Wells that doesn’t work so well considering humans have used they/them with the same exact grammer long before trans was a thing

[@Groggle7141]

​@@gektoast4968 No not really.

[@ClowncoreisCool]

@Alex Wells Fanboy

[@makkimix9535]

@Gek Toast Bro do you think trans people just spawned in 2012? Trans people have always been here.

[@Shirley98757]

Harriet even appeared in the original run, with a genuinely good design to boot I’d say, or at least better than the neon concoction we have now. Colors aside, something about her eyes seem off too, anybody else get that feeling?

[@eddiestrashdump]

Yea, the eyes are weird. They look…square-like? I don’t know how to explain it.

[@TheZephyrsWind]

Indeed!

[@BirdWord03]

@@eddiestrashdump I keep thinking she’s wearing glasses bc of their shape 😭

[@Thehouseoffail]

She didn't appear in the original. What you are referring to is a leaked deleted scene.

[@no_0riginality937]

Tbh when i look at Harriet's design i think she fit RIGHT in total drama if you ask me.

[@emm_uhh]

I definitely think the original Clone High did age, but that isn't a bad thing. They parodied early 90s and early 00s teen dramas, like the "very special episode" gag and the whole spring break episode with Ashley Angel.

[@that_deadeyegamer7920]

That's why a reboot would never have worked. It captured a very brief and specific moment in time where teen dramas were still popular but slowly being phased out. Most people interested in the reboot wouldn't know or don't understand that it was a parody of shows like Twin Peak and Degrassi, a genre of tv that died only a few years after Clone High came out in favor for more reality television.

[@Chiwowza]

1000%, the reboot exists in a totally different media landscape and it just doesn't work without the specific backdrop it originally parodied

[@poodychulak]

​@@that_deadeyegamer7920 Degrassi: Next Generation ran from 2001 until 2015

[@heinoustentacles5719]

@@poodychulak was it relevant the whole time though? I could swear it ended in like 2007.

[@DisguisedAsHuman]

I still use “And now for a very special episode” about random things in my real life.

[@georgejackson1515]

I felt if Topher Bus doxxed JFK and then Confucius starts freaking out and JFK not understanding what’s wrong would of been really funny

[@eddiestrashdump]

THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY WITH THOSE SCENES OH MY GOD

[@phooted]

they could have had him tell jfk to khs it would have been a lot funnier tbh....

[@marshmallowdub]

That's a great jdea actually, if Topher would have just typed out Confucius IP address I would have died on the spot

[@elfertrn]

thats what i thought was happening but he was just being an internet warrior, all the "zoomer" stuff is so surface level honestly, the apology video thing was kind of funny but everything else just feels cheesy

[@ploopy6160]

saw someone on tiktok say the same thing and tbh it wouldve been so good, like hearing jfk say smth like "i like your funny numbers magic man" when getting his ip leaked wouldve been hilarious ☠️☠️

[@Shlaps]

I feel like the new designs would be improved a lot if they simply didn't add patterns to their cloths. it gives you way too much to look at for really no reason

[@beabea5985]

they look like an 11-year old girl's first OCs on DeviantArt

[@Shlaps]

@@beabea5985 give them SOME credit...looks like a 15 year olds oc

[@ferretonahelmet]

no patterns, and take away the clashing/eye straining color palettes

[@ghostturtles4882]

I would love frida just to have a regular skater style outfit. She gotta keep the unibrow tho

[@Shlaps]

@@Mojo-w6p I like Frieda and Topher, I want them to stay. I'd say I like Confucius but they don't do enough with him for me to care. He'd be good as a background character like George Washingmachine Carver. I hate Harriette though, get her out of here. Her design sucks and she sucks, stop taking screen time you harpy.

[@davisbowe8668]

Surprised no one has commented on the completely forced JFK/Joan relationship. In the original show, Joan couldn't stand JFK. The only reason she had sex with him in the finale was because she was feeling vulnerable due to her being upset about Abe and Cleo. It's more or less implied that she regretted it when she saw Abe at the end. Now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that she has romantic feelings for a guy who she spent all first season detesting just because they had sex one night? Like, I get that the creators wanted to do the opposite of S1 with Abe now pining after Joan, but imo they should've put Joan with a new character who had somewhat similar qualities to Abe. Joan and JFK have no chemistry as a couple at all. And while we're on the subject, can we talk about how shitty of a friend Joan has been to Abe this season? In the first season, Joan never gave a shit about being popular and she sure as hell wouldn't have shunned Abe just so she could be accepted by the "cool kids". And don't even get me started on Episode 6. I know Abe had his shitty moments in S1 but he was still overall a good friend to Joan and she has done nothing but treat Abe like shit all season, but Episode 6 absolutely takes the cake. She ends her friendship with Abe despite the fact that he spent the entire episode trying to help her, yet she just forgives JFK and Harriet for kissing each other no problem? Joan used to be one of my favorite characters in the show but now I can honestly say that she's probably my least favorite simply because of how far her character has fallen from S1. Oh well, at least Scudworth and Mr. B are still funny.

[@rivera229]

Yeah, and anyone else noticed that Joan has become the main character of sorts of the show. The last season worked better with everyone having equal amounts of screentime. But now it feels like Joan and JFK are the main characters, while Abe, at times feels like a secondary character and Cleo was practically a background character in the first couple of episodes. Speaking of Cleo, I am surprised her and Abe haven't interacted with each other much. The prom night wasn't just about JFK and Joan, it was about Abe and Cleo, and Gandhi and Marie Curie but sadly Gandhi is in the Shadow Realm for a time. Like, Cleo should be confrontational with Abe and absolutely PISSED off with him. Also I will say this, but when JFK and Joan were caught, it was implied JFK was more proud of having sex with the only girl who refused his advances. But this new fanbase that was created from the pandemic totally missed it. They thought JFK was being totally sincere, the guy who was meant to be a sleezeball and admitted to having as much sex as possible with women due to his insecurity with having two gay dads. The same JFK who made a move on Joan by asking if she was drunk enough to sleep with him. Come on, the guy wasn't meant to be a loveable boyfriend. Now while people can change, the dude didn't prove he could change, he just did.

[@رزيئة]

I always hated her because she was a massive nlog pickme, imo the new season shows her true colors and what she really wanted and how she pretended to dislike popularity just to be a contrarian. She never struck me as a genuine person who believes in her cause, so the ending was very satisfying to me when everyone saw the truth and turned on her. But I understand where you're coming from with the friendship thing and the relationships being forced.

[@GlitchZero]

She didn't just sleep with him because of Abe/Cleo. That's why she agreed to go to prom with him. When she stops pretending to be a 'vapid whore' and goes back to being herself, and JFK comes back and talks to her about how he liked her better as herself anyways, and handed off his other dates that were just with him "because he's JFK" - THAT'S why she slept with him. Because he was more than just a womanizing moron, and the depth buried under the sexhound was intriguing to her. She was being valued by someone that actually saw her for her after Abe had missed every single blindingly obvious hint. I think turning that into an "ummmm YEAH SURE!" relationship is hilarious after being thawed, and the flip of putting Abe in Joan's shoes after a season of basically ignoring her (for the joke, but still) even though it's pretty clear they're not great together, is exactly par for the course of the shows Clone High parodies. Joan and JFK have a history and that's the very thin thread that 'makes them work' enough for the reboot.

[@xoxojustno6971]

I think Harriet Tubman is the stupidest design compared to her season 1 design, there I said it. Its awful 😅

[@latviandragon2718]

she was in season 1?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

​@@latviandragon2718yes that was said already

[@latviandragon2718]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 no i wad asking a question

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@latviandragon2718 well you didnt use a question mark so no one could know. And yes she was in season 1 in the makeover episode

[@dannynicholson6014]

​@latviandragon2718 where was the question mark?

[@kingbash6466]

Honestly I knew something felt off when I saw some of the new characters. They clearly don't don't gel with the original artstyle and feel like what a Clone High OC would be like. Also Press F in the chat for Ghandi.

[@TheSweetTeaGuy]

F

[@George_Fl0yd]

F

[@pennysanchez7656]

F

[@skeluxainted]

F

[@klaplays8853]

F

[@mongoose1billion]

It falls into the biggest trap that reboots tend to fall into. That is to say: the show returns in name, but not in spirit. The outer shell is the same, but the inside has been hollowed out and replaced with something else.

[@TheZephyrsWind]

Yep. They just want to take advantage of the IP to get attention, I mean look at vel... Sorry, I'd forgotten that name is offensive now.

[@dylansharp8471]

That's a load.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@TheZephyrsWind "They just want to take advantage of the IP to get attention" As if.

[@de-meister6437]

@@dylansharp8471good comeback, you are definitely showing your age

[@JayAreAitch]

That's not really a "trap". I don't feel like you're saying very much here.

[@Laxhoop]

I keep telling people to stop hoping their favorite cancelled shows come back, we lived in the worst time for writing even before the new writers strike, and every revived show that fans had been begging to get revived for years, has just been a massive disappointment.

[@dylansharp8471]

Bullshit.

[@Stew91]

^ Ducktales 2017 exists.

[@Laxhoop]

@@Stew91 I heard that fell off by the end.

[@lsebastian9086]

@@Laxhoop It had some issues but it was still a genuinely good show. I mean the ending wasnt even as close as infuriating as Star vs the forces of evilwas

[@boydixonentertainment]

@@Stew91One example VS. 15.

[@swan9431]

I feel that the decision of adding Harriet, Frida, and Confucius was partially to diversify the cast, but I’m honestly kinda appalled Harriet Tubman was, of all black historical figures, the one they went with. This goes with the issue of the new characters having no relevance to their clone parents - you can’t really make an off hand joke about Harriet Tubman, or at least the writers don’t seem to have the confidence to (especially considering how the show was first canceled). There’s also just so many more black figures, musicians, activists, etc. they could have went with for their one black character, and they choose someone born into slavery.

[@رزيئة]

I agree with the diversity thing, and it's totally why there aren't any jokes involving these characters or why they never do anything bad or offensive and are just "perfect" and always the "good guys" in the show. But the inclusivity committee being just them and who ever they choose to include and them kicking out anyone who they don't like and the rest of the school being left out was hilarious because it's so true lol

[@sacr3]

That's the problem... ditch this whole diversity nonsense and just go your own route. Diverse or not, you'll piss people off. Look at you, they went diverse but you don't like how they did it. If they didn't, you'd complain they didn't. This injecting today's ideologies and childish race issue nonsense is what ruins these remakes. The freedoms of their jokes back in the 2000s is what made them great, that small always-pissed-off minority was ignored. Now? They get so much attention they've become tyrannical, controlling media, controlling hiring, controlling who can be in power, controlling what you can and can't say. It's fucking insane. So it ruins shows, it ruins movies, it's agendas after agendas strewn throughout everything as to not offend the protected class. Western media is a damn joke, gone far downhill because it's about feelings before entertainment. If youre offended, don't watch the damn show but no, that's asking too much people need to shut it down because they don't agree with it. Disgusting

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

The fact that I expected Frida Kahlo to say Lincoln was "based" instead of cancelled on the first episode kinda already tells everything.

[@standoidontwantalastname6500]

what does it tell

[@FourTapGames]

right. this shit is so fucking dumb/cringe. it's gonna flop.

[@mechajay3358]

Yep. It's gonna be that kind of show.

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

@@standoidontwantalastname6500 it's cringe

[@bigpoop146]

​@Mint Chocolate Hot Sauce it's pretty based actually

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

The ultimate monkey's paw. 😈

[@TheDataByteChannel]

You're honestly on the money right there.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@lifemattersnot What now?

[@HumbleMemeFarmer]

The finger curls...

[@comradebroosk9396]

honestly, they should have Edgar Allan Poe in the series.

[@brickdarg6750]

The show looks...sickly I suppose would be the right word. It's too bright, and I think a perfect comparison is to compare the dark red of Joan's hair to the bright pink of Harriet Tubman's. If the latter's hair was a darker, more muted pink, it would go a long way to making the thing not look obnoxiously colourful. As is, I really don't like looking at it, especially when compared to the colour palette of the original show

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

Yeah, new designs are kinda... Gross to look at side by side.

[@Jack_Dawlia]

One issue with the newer art style for me is the line weight. The simple designs just don’t work well with super thin lines

[@plink_plonk]

i also thought the bloody violent scene with cleo was just awful. like it felt so family guy

[@SchmergDergen]

Joan acknowledging the writers room from 20 years ago was not only jarring and unfunny, it was stupid for the writers to highlight this when they’re producing the worst version of Clone High. So tone deaf and foolish.

[@SoMuchQueso]

It felt like a joke that belonged in Velma💂

[@brainthebrian3690]

If it was the only joke like that as cringe as it was, I'd give it a pass as just blowing off some steam, but there was more miffed feminist digs ( I mean jokes) about the old show that as you said felt jarring and unfunny. I can only hope this was just this episode and they're just getting this off their chest, so to speak, but with how weak the jokes have been so far I kind doubt it's the last of this.

[@kewillia]

Given the drop in quality from the first season, this is inadvertently making an argument against adding more women to the show’s writers room.

[@SchmergDergen]

@@kewillia yeah I thought that too. Wait until you can keep up before you say stuff like that.

[@legalza0843]

@@brainthebrian3690 Personally though I’d rather not have the shows writers project their blowing off steam into a show we’d like to enjoy

[@Doublesznn]

Honestly, I don’t know why reboots/revivals don’t simply follow what was done before or even try to replicate the seasons before. Like The proud family reboot or even the new total drama. These reboots try to be relevant to today instead of just being timeless.

[@cometcal7387]

im not sure what's different from the TDI reboot over the other seasons

[@caftea1020]

The new tdi reboot has just about the same amount of fart jokes as every season that came before it lmao

[@youraveragenickel2177]

Tbh, other than episode 5 the Total Drama reboot was actually good.

[@oliveiagarden]

i feel like the total drama reboot works because it's such a time period centric show? total drama island is such a 2000's time capsule, i thought it was really neat to see how it translated to the 2020's & the new characters were great

[@fesolinii]

new total drama season was rly good

[@ZakaZ1996]

I'm wondering how much Lord and Miller's involvement in the film/TV industry is being stretched too thin now. I mean in Season 1, this was one of the ONLY things they were making, so it had ALL their attention given to it. Today, on top of making Clone High again, they've been producing 3 or 4 films, and Miller has his own show The Afterparty on Apple TV+. Normally producing a film can be debatable on how much they have involvement in a project compared to the directors, but in Lord and Miller's case, Spider-Verse is THEIR baby; between writing, producing, and choosing the film's directors like the first film, that's TWO films in a row they're overseeing from beginning to end. I feel doing all that while showrunning Clone High (and Miller over at Apple) means something there is going to take a hit at some point (unless the rest of the season picks like others are saying).

[@SprainedSentinel]

Honestly, if they’re behind everything going on with this new season, and if they have a proper chance to TRULY care about the quality here, I’d advise putting this new branch of the show on hold until the new Spider-Verse movies are all wrapped up and done with.

[@ondiiina]

@@SprainedSentinel But then Clone High will be in production hell/limbo forever. Spider-Verse still has one last movie planned for now iirc, and they take a VERY long time to make, even now that they've perfected some of their techniques and aren't starting from scratch. I can see why they aren't waiting. The more they wait, the less interest Clone High will receive and the more risky it gets. They finally got their chance and networks aren't known to uphold their promises and deliver shows. You never know when you're getting cancelled for some reason. However I do think that they should have spend more time on this and waited a bit if they had to. Some decisions are simply not good (the designs and art direction mainly, a wonder considering they put out fucking Spider-Verse! Even the smallest details like rounding off every design doesn't work. Brightening the colors COULD have worked to pass it off as a new period but then keep the main cast with muted colors. Even better if they kept their sharp edges but not the others. I get where some of the decisions came from but they aren't executed well!) and from what I've heard, the writing is on-par as what they've written before. My opinion is that if the first bunch of episodes isn't as good as the rest, then it means that you need to rework on them. It's a good idea to come back to the first things you wrote once you've finished anyways as you've now fully immersed yourself in your thing and have the full view. Hopefully they got the hang of this again by now and season 3 will be even better!

[@lupitaruiz7605]

I have the same thought as yours.

[@chexplosion7174]

honestly my biggest peeve is what they did to cleo’s character they focused on dialing up the mean girl trait up to 100, ignoring that she did have more personality than being obsessed with her looks watching that season 2 episode about tests and seeing that she didn’t care about her grades made me so confused, like this is the same character who made abe constantly read her textbooks while she slept so she could get good marks on her test and her weird and overzealous animosity towards joan is just off putting it’s just a little jarring to watch her scenes, the few that there are i hope it gets better

[@autumntaylor2533]

The va is worse too

[@رزيئة]

It got better with her dating Frida ngl, I enjoyed that little side plot. And she joins the group and stuff and Joan is sort of painted as the true bad guy the whole time and she finally apologizes to Cleo, because to me Cleo was never in the wrong and even tried to help and approach Joan in season 1 but Joan kept turning her down because she's so nlog and special like that

[@Trim1013]

I like how Topher is the only character that hasn’t been complained about as far as I can see.

[@Pwilliams4000]

That’s because he works

[@Chaoscup23]

I think that's because he fits the most in the series imo

[@youshouldbeconcerned]

He's at least entertaining, having character flaws is what made the original interesting and when you remove that from most of the characters they have no conflict or they just become tropes.

[@deltalocke5290]

The thing i miss the most about the original is how iconic the designs were, but you could still tell who you were. I actually could not tell who Confucius and the other new characters are without their own nametags.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

Minus Confucius and Colombus they picked two bad historical figures to make characters. No one outside of arts majors who minor in gender theory are you gonna have fans of Frida Kahlo. I know Harriet Tubman's name, but honestly as a non-American I don't know wtf she actually did (Rosa Parks I know what she did, same thing with MLK etc). So why are the new clones so niche? JFK, Abe Lincoln, Ghandi, Cleopatra and Joan of Arc are all characters in the cultural zeitgeist of the entire planet. Everyone knows who they are most were world leaders (I'd say Joan of Arc is a bit on the iffy side there). Like if I was gonna pick obscure weird people from history (even though the reboot is supposed to be about the clones of WORLD LEADERS being groomed for leadership and Frida Kahlo and Harriet Tubman weren't exactly world leaders) I'd pick Gilles De Rais, the confidant of Joan of Arc and infamous serial killer and play up him being a simp to Joan but a psycho to everyone else, he'd be the Nice Guy TM. Like honestly, you can tell more about the politics of the writers cause they chose Harriet Tubman and Frida Kahlo, Harriet who is barely renowned outside of the US and Frida Kahlo an obscure Mexican artist whose paintings included self-expression and ideas on gender. They're a far cry from the same notability as the rest of the cast.

[@Splatoob]

@@TheLikenessOfNormal I mean for the Harriet thing, you can’t blame them for that, a lot of ppl know about her

[@pepearown4968]

@@Splatoob Yeah. She was supposed to be put on the 100 dollar bill.

[@kusuossecretgf5401]

​@@TheLikenessOfNormal idk man, I'm not from America and I learned about Frida since primary school 🤷🏾 And I'm as old as the season 1 lmao

[@austincde]

​@@TheLikenessOfNormal that's messed up Abraham Lincoln get more credibility for "ending slavery" than literally Harriet Tubman 💀💀💀

[@SprainedSentinel]

Can I please get a raise of hands for who was expecting this to happen?

[@multifandomfangirl9664]

Me ✋

[@ratkingwastaken]

Second I saw the trailer ✋

[@zachatck64]

✋

[@EternalWise]

The second the reboot was announced I sensed it ✋

[@klonoafan2012]

Cis people are mad of this reboot cause it not made for them lmao

[@absolutezerochill2700]

I still find the bit about Chris not wanting to be associated with the original weird considering that people like Genghis Khan and Napoleon walk around completely fine, but atleast he's more interesting than the other 3 cardboard cutouts.

[@sumthinorother9615]

I mean, it’s because there’s a more personal connection to Columbus. People are encouraged to have opinions on the guy, in America. If we celebrated “ruthless warlord day” people would talk about it, and I hope the show uses that fact for drama (but more so comedy) at some point.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Because Columbus Day still is stapled to calendars.

[@threedragonstalk2123]

Napoleon and Genghis Khan both committed their war crimes against members of their own race. Christopher Columbus' wrongdoings were persecuted against (what is now) a visible minority. So Columbus gets far more hate from the woke.

[@dummyyogurt5375]

to be fair, the original Christopher Columbus was kind of a nutjob according to some sources. they could just be playing his paranoia as a part of that.

[@ghhn4505]

Because Christopher Columbus lives absolutely rent free in people's heads, so much so that they can't remember every major figure in history ever sucks

[@firebrand723]

It’d be really funny if the twist in episode 3 is that the awfulness was planned somehow

[@beabea5985]

Man, that'd be an awesome turnaround, especially if they brought Ghandi back and revealed that he's, in fact, Gary Coleman, as was planned in S1

[@bazookasniper5167]

Like she hulk finale?

[@MintJammer]

​​@@bazookasniper5167the she hulk finale was more outright cowardice to admit it's bad. Like you don't make the enemy literally redditchan and then have zero payoff. Eve Law and Order 's gamergate episode was better.

[@MalcomMalediction]

My real problem is that Harriet and Frida ARE BORING CHARACTERS...bring back Ghandi. The show isnt that bad but it still needs some improvement like removing the dull characters

[@maxkeegan9183]

Rest easy Ghandi. I never watched the show but you gave us the 'Say WHAAAAAT' clip, and for that, you shall be remembered.

[@Doxlin_Dop2]

I think the biggest problem is the plot. The use of tropes flipped on their head in the original gave way to lots of moments to put clever jokes in. The new one is just tropes, no subversion or anything. The whole charm of the first is parody, but is almost completely absent in the new one

[@brainthebrian3690]

Yea the old one was a general bad teen drama/hokey teen show parody, the new one just dropped the parody part...

[@TheDataByteChannel]

I absolutely agree with your points Cartoonshi, how this reboot and/or new season ended up is so disappointing.

[@diamondarrow4567]

Its been 2 episodes, i admit it’s far from perfect but im sure it will be fine

[@TheDataByteChannel]

@@diamondarrow4567 Abe being out of character in these 2 episodes to the point he’s not even the same as the first season, I would argue makes it disappointing.

[@keithflippers4429]

​@@TheDataByteChannelhe was barley in episode 2

[@tinkywinky5558]

Finally you put it more cohesively on what I was saying about Clone High. The animation and delivery was crucial to the OG clone high and the reboot just misses the landing a lot, even with some jokes I think could've landed. There was a charm to its stilted animation and somewhat dry/quiet humor that complimented it so incredibly well. Just because you can tween in animation doesnt mean you should. The delivery just doesnt land anymore, everyone sounds older and kind of tired. Cleo's new voice isnt as great as I remembered it (from what I can hear the OG voice actress to Cleo might have been able to pull off the delivery better than the newer VA) It just all feels off in a way, I get more of a total drama vibe than I do clone high. I really want to be proven wrong and see this series be as great as the original but I honestly just have my doubts.

[@dylansharp8471]

"Just because you can tween in animation doesnt mean you should" What? "The delivery just doesnt land anymore, everyone sounds older and kind of tired" It's been 20 years dude. I think some of them sound the same.

[@tinkywinky5558]

⁠@@dylansharp8471 I’m referring to the animation being slightly more bouncier than it used to be. Its tweening. But it really doesnt fit for the Clone High style since it was more snappier. The tweening just makes it lose that snappiness it had. No duh, they are obviously older but my points stands; the delivery is affected majorly because of that.

[@blackchibisan8116]

I feel that the bloody gags are the writers venting their frustration and anger as subtly as they can get away with. It screams like something I would have destroyed after writing and getting the emotions out. All the writing changes paired up with the flak they have gotten for the original series tells me that they wanted to do the reboot but then got saddled with a lot of mandates that made them want to minecraft themselves.

[@Dr.Oofers]

Actually… highly likely.

[@vanderquakSP]

That, and the fact that the original Clone High was rated TV14, while the new season has a TVMA rating, meaning that the new season is another adult animated show that tries way too hard at getting a higher rating.

[@Dr.Oofers]

@@vanderquakSP *Oof*

[@MXALOVE]

I think it's problem is that the original's goal was to make a good/funny show. The reboot's goal is to make a reboot of a show that apparently had comedy. Like they knew they wanted to bring it back, but stopped there.

[@j43b]

If this is what Clone High ends up being like after 2 decades, I'm scared for the Daria reboot if Paramount is still doing that.

[@FranciscoRodriguez-iq9cb]

You shouldn't be. Mike Judge rebooted Beavis and Butt-Head and it is still funny. I have hope he will continue to do good.

[@SchmergDergen]

They’ll make Daria a lesbian.

[@not_Edix]

@@SchmergDergen wait why is that actually true 😭

[@SchmergDergen]

@@not_Edix because being progressive means what came before wasn’t enough.

[@Elvusmiw]

It's a movie now

[@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988]

The Critic show was so underated I wish THAT would get a new coat of paint, but knowing modern "cinema" it'll probably resemble a third graders crayon sketch Edit: Also "Start Over" By Abandoned Pools slapped so hard

[@alexrexaros9837]

I'm telling you, modern young writers that come from wealthy backgrounds of the east coast are always responsible for writing the worst of stuff. Every single time.

[@klonoafan2012]

Cope cisgender your cis produced shows are terrible

[@404_Toonz]

​@@aaweels4085 cartoon reviewer English

[@adeptdamage3669]

You mean West Coast.

[@SekuJen]

exactly

[@carsickthenark1195]

@@adeptdamage3669 ERRRR DURRR CALIFORNIA BAD HURRRDURRRR

[@mr.tajtas4259]

Spoiler. It does NOT get better later on.

[@BrianIsTheGOAT594]

It did.

[@caitlinmccloud7431]

Cleo was really pushed into the background like all does is get upset about not being the hottest girl, wanting to be prom queen and then falling for Frieda. It was very wtf. The parents are all missing too which was definitely a noticeable change. Like the lack of figures the clones can talk to.

[@devonjeffers5898]

If people can have this many problems for Clone High, I hate to see how bad other revivals like Futurama might go down. I'm calling it now, it's not gonna be pretty.

[@GregCubed]

Futurama is a little different at least because it’s already had 2 separate revival runs after it’s original cancellation and this will be its third. It could still go horribly wrong of course, people are already a little iffy on the last revival, but the new Futurama season functions more closely to how Family Guy was cancelled in 2002 but brought back a few years later rather than being a reboot

[@devonjeffers5898]

@@GregCubedSure Futurama wasn't out for as long, but I'm afraid both the audience and the writers could have problems down the line. Who knows, may be better off than Clone High or even worse off.

[@devonjeffers5898]

@Blended Circuit I don't think that's going to happen. If you saw the Hulu ad for the new season, they clearly want Bender and the main cast to keep the show afloat.

[@egbertmilton4003]

Why the fuck are they bringing Futurama back, it already ended well enough. What is the point?

[@beabea5985]

They want more money.

[@aeginsilverblood2070]

Watching the first episode, I thought they were pointing out the hypocrisy of modern culture for most of the episode. The Inclusivity committee ate lunch in a section of the cafeteria that was roped off and had a bouncer, literally excluding anyone they didn’t deem worthy to dine in their presence. I was laughing my ass off at most of it but when the episode ended with Abe apologizing when I honestly don’t think he needed to (Joan was the one ignoring her friend in order to be popular) I was left disappointed.

[@isntreal3188]

i think that episode was healthily critiquing fake, corporate inclusivity AND refusal to be inclusive. they are both sides of the same coin kinda. what abe was saying was obviously messed up, but it was the fake, insincere apology videos that showed how he was truly in the wrong.

[@Groggle7141]

​@@isntreal3188 What did he say that was so bad?

[@isntreal3188]

@@Groggle7141 he said that you should kys lmao

[@Dr.Oofers]

@@Groggle7141N word (haven’t watched the show, but that’s really my best guess).

[@1wiilover802hater]

This. First episode was the best of the season and I thought the show was going to be more self aware while making fun of the ridiculously holier-than-thou attitude people seem to have these days but instead it just devolved into pointless, generic drivel.

[@RadJack14]

Christopher Columbus is the only new character that fits the style while the others look like total drama knockoffs

[@megamax898]

15:00 they massacred the backround characters. These just look like highschool kids. There is no effort to make them even look like historical figures. Which doesn't help the fact that the show basically pretends it's blending 2 classes by adding 4 characters. Maybe there could have been more new characters and a distinct culture between the two different decades of classes. But instead it's 4 new students and all the old ones just immediately assimilate. Any time for character interactions is wasted by shipping characters with no build up to them falling in love.

[@The_Anti-Guide]

It's an older video but I remember trying to say something before that I think I'd like to say. Controversial as it may be, I don't think a lot of women, especially in Hollywood, are funny. That's not to say there _aren't_ funny women, just that if you're gonna hire them for a comedy like Clone High, you need to make sure the female writers have a good sense of humor. Inside Job is a good example of female writers who know how to be comedic. The whole fourth-wall break feminist joke told me pretty much absolutely everything I needed to know. I think your assessment of it is fair but I think it implies the female writers are more interested in being part of a high-profile project that unfortunately they have/had no business ever being a part of. More female writers are fine but if their idea of a joke is something like: "Over-the-top brutal violence is funny adult comedy" or "Repeat references to sex and sexually topics is adult and it's funny therefore off-handedly making comments like this will make it funny." Rick and Morty, and Velma are excellent examples of how just adding more female writers doesn't make a comedy show funny, it just adds more female writers. This starts drifting into diversity hiring and it's consequences though and frankly that extends beyond just women but that's an entirely different issue. The point is: If you are hiring someone, they should be qualified for the job and have a better reason than "It's good career exposure" because otherwise you get what has gone wrong.

[@Soto-]

Ooh, another tell that a female writer wrote this joke is when a character's underwear gets exposed & it says something cheeky on them. You'll never unsee that pattern now. 😂

[@kasam0308]

Lord & Miller should’ve rebooted Clone High from the ground up, by using their skills that they learned in their movies to help make a New Clone High Series have the same weight as the show, while also using some of their experience in their films to make the Clone High Reboot feel more cohesive. Plus, they wouldn’t have to make a reasonable explanation as to why Ghandi doesn’t show up in the 2nd Season.

[@dimsufferer9951]

I have to question how involved they actually were in this, with how stretched they are

[@SaiyanGamer95]

I heard that before the original show was cancelled, one of the proposed ideas for Gandhi was to just have him vanish from the cast with no explanation.

[@vanderquakSP]

@@dimsufferer9951They weren’t super involved in this season since they were busy over at Sony Pictures Animation working on Across the Spider Verse.

[@ian1869]

Well it looks like Gandhi will be frozen forever since the show just got cancelled

[@crossfire34]

Would've guessed reviving a two-decade-old show while removing the best character would result in disappointment?

[@Flame-rp6yq]

If anything they could’ve made Confucius that one friend people go to for help, wanting to help people better their lives

[@hakunamakara]

There's absolutely no point in bringing back Gandhi for a hypothetical season 4 if they're gonna be pansies and recast him. He had one of the best vocal performances in the OG series.

[@SchmergDergen]

Best review I’ve seen so far. So many people are saying “give it a chance,” and I have been, and I’ll watch episode 3 but this ain’t it. No Gandhi for a bloated cast, half of which now sucks is tough to swallow.

[@liammiller6247]

Fuck it, where's Clone High Hitler?? THINK of the jokes

[@evildoughboy7773]

If this show was meant to have a second season, it would have been before the show got cancelled. This one is better off being remembered as an under-appreciated cult classic.

[@OGHiddenpaw]

Why did they change Harriet Tubman from the original version? She was already in the show.

[@icicleblue7270]

I watched the first episode. The one thing that really kinda annoys me is the fact they drag out the gore jokes they had in the First season. They legit have blood scenes like 7-8 times in the first episode. Also the new principal is lame and uninteresting :|

[@geeg]

Cleopatra being absent mostly and incredibly boring was particularly hard to swallow for me. She was such a funny character and had so much more depth. She was a favourite :(

[@nekomancer1495]

christopher columbus is the only one who looks like a actual clone high character

[@renamon5658]

The 90s and 80s were a great time for adult cartoons

[@klaplays8853]

@@WSendam aqua teen hunger force yessir

[@johnsoapmactavish9921]

There are still good adult cartoons in the 2000s,2010s, and 2020s. Where have you been?

[@mournfulgiant502]

and 2000's

[@mournfulgiant502]

@@johnsoapmactavish9921 90's and 2000's were the golden eras IMO

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Boondocks baby

[@kap1618]

It bothers me how many people excuse JFK's behavior and attribute it all to Abe. People argue "character growth," but clone high was mocking shows for doing stuff like this.

[@xoxojustno6971]

Remember when Joan complained at the sleepover that there werent a lot of female writers back in the day, and now that there are more this show literally just sucks? Im not saying women can't write a joke (women here btw😅) but i hate it when shows emphasize that, even a little. It feels like theyre trying to prove a point to be politically correct in a show that REALLY shouldnt focus on that over comedy. (High Guardian Spice did that and it did not bode over well) Also the new characters are literal space fillers. Including the principal whatever her name was. Tophers the only one that doesnt look too off from the show Sorry for the rant but... yeah?😅

[@SchmergDergen]

Best comment I saw reguarding this is that the show feels like it’s written by Joan’s now. I didn’t know the gender dynamics of the OG because they didn’t make it apparent, they did in this, which happens to be the worst incarnation of the series so it was really quite the self own.

[@klonoafan2012]

Ok terf

[@Nothisndhdudjdjdj]

Yess that was so cringe. Good female writers dont need to stop the show to brag about the amount of female writers its beyond cringe

[@Nothisndhdudjdjdj]

@@klonoafan2012you are a waste of oxygen and twitter loser nothing that seems like terf ideology to anyone.

[@SchmergDergen]

@@Nothisndhdudjdjdj yeah! And the defenders will call you a sexist for not seeing such an unforced error. The defenders of this show are just Total Drama Island fans.

[@neverme1444]

After the trailer, I knew this was gonna be rough. Not terrible, but rough.

[@bonabyafton6461]

one thing i absolutely despise about the Clone High reboot and other new shows (*cough* Wednesday *cough*) is that the popular kids are “politically correct” or “woke” and are super inclusive to the point where they exclude people or that they cancel people irl when in reality no High School in the US works like that AT ALL. The popular kids have not changed whatsoever, I literally heard middle schoolers use “gay” as an insult a few months ago and was harassed by a bunch of middle schoolers yesterday for being openly transfem. And it’s especially annoying because it makes minorities look like the bad guys just because we’re beginning to get equal rights. There is NO way in hell that Frida Khalo would be the popular kid, let alone the hottest girl in school, beauty standards are still very much alive in our society and she’d be bullied to hell and back for the way she dresses and her unibrow. It gives the same kind of energy as the belief that “jewish people run the media” like no, minorities are still very much minorities and are treated like shit by society.

[@cheekyhazelnut]

Omg why are you here?

[@dylansharp8471]

@@cheekyhazelnut Huh?

[@tatibear2655]

India be like: “Ghandi being racist irl, let’s just ignore that” “Ghandi being a wacky crude character in a cartoon, HOW DARE YOU”

[@witherkichian4867]

It should be a crime to make a confucius design without a beard or moustache.

[@zvenafnazbalji7539]

Yeah and it's weird that Jesus, Abe and Van Gogh have facial hair but Confucius doesn't.

[@samdaman2939]

Basically all they need to do is make the new characters have actual funny personalities, that separate themselves from other generic characters. I think it would be smart to remove the other new characters besides Christopher Columbus, and add back Ghandi next season. I would also suggest going back to the constant jokes and references that the original had, but make them common. The characters designs don’t really need a change except for Confucius and Harriet Tubman. And keep it more laid back on the blood.

[@SchmergDergen]

Harriet is from another show, feels like she’s from a kids show, and isn’t remotely funny.

[@roguelily7957]

The only reboot that is remotely as funny as the original is beavis and butthead.

[@Amexy-mr6lw]

Thoughts on Animaniacs and Ducktales?

[@boop004]

@@Amexy-mr6lw Animaniacs reboot is gowdawful bad, feels like it tries too hard, but Ducktales reboot's alright

[@kyanwa]

That lighthouse joke caught me so off guard, It's genuinely so funny.

[@ToonRage]

One of the worst reboots I have ever seen

[@BrianIsTheGOAT594]

I wouldn't go that far. It's much better than other certain reboots in my eyes, which is why I really enjoyed it as a casual viewer. The fact it was uncensored too was hilarious.