The CM Punk/Jack Perry footage aired. Can we move on now? | AEW Dynamite | Wrestling Observer Radio

Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez discuss AEW airing the Jack Perry/CM Punk altercation from All In on Wednesday's Dynamite.
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[@hintonus]

I can't get over how completely embarassed Tony Schiavone looked after the footage aired, his face said it all.

[@todpolk]

Dude had Vietnam flashbacks to WCW

[@_BigTimer85]

​@@todpolkExactly 💯

[@dashingdreww1185]

Lowkey he thinking he shouldn’t have told CMPunk to tell jungle boy about the glass in the first place 😂😂

[@doug2731]

Schiavone is how all of us felt watching that. Except Dave and Bryan.

[@danielcraig4974]

He was literally shaking his head in his hands in a no movement.

[@Nonlifting_breezy]

What’s sadder is they air this footage and then started flagging everyone sharing or posting it. Massive L

[@GefilteFish.]

Yup!!

[@gabrieles4564]

How can they flag videos for DMCA stuff when they don't even own the footage?

[@Dynaraw]

So dumb , all the big sites can post it all over , I post it it got immediately removed twice

[@Pop_Update]

They also edited the footage out of the Bucks/FTR segment on KZbin. They aired it and now they're trying to hide it

[@WallyHays]

Aubrey Ed must be working overtime!

[@craiggibbs9888]

Dave saying "I'm not defending it!" Proceeding to defend it, then immediately getting called out on defending it is the most perfect encapsulation of the Bryan and Dave dynamic that I have ever seen

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

Tony's "feared for my life" statement either means he was lying or the biggest wuss on the planet. Which one is it?

[@gabrieles4564]

The second one, I honestly believe he was scared shitless.

[@zombieninjatedsmith1301]

Yes.....he's a sheltered billionaire......he's never seen a real fight in his whole privileged life.

[@CockyBalboa]

Punk took two steps toward him , so he probably was scared.

[@xATown23xGaming]

Then you hear Cornetts share his stories and you wonder how he is still the least bit sane and here's Tony with one encounter and the poor baby is crying in the corner

[@haloichigo1]

I think he was lying and said that to justify the firing because he didn't even want to fire Punk. Outside AEW console said he should be fired. If he was in fear of his life he wouldn't need outside advice to fire Punk. He would have been better off saying "I feared for the safety of my staff."

[@MTMuppet]

If you guys were legitimate journalists with integrity, you’d make retractions and apologise for all the false information you’ve spread for the last eight months.

[@stefan21cydsfm]

Huh?

[@grahamfinlayson18]

What false info did they spread?

[@RamblingUnited]

After it happened this is exactly what they said they were told happened lol. Which cult are you in: wwe, punk, or cornette?

[@lawrencestimpson6669]

But they’re not legitimate journalists, and how legitimate can one be as a reporter of professional wrestling?

[@kencarr2190]

Amen but there not so they wont.

[@GodotOfficial]

CM Punk is the first guy to appear on WrestleMania and Dynamite in the same week!

[@randyp8849]

And the bucks and Jericho.

[@corndogger69]

Bucks and Jericho were in Cody video package

[@sutterkane5716]

Like rick rude on raw and nitro in the same night lol

[@thewrestlingshow]

That’s hilarious

[@stayhigh3659]

💀😭💯

[@Maxamili]

You failed to mention that they removed the footage from the KZbin clip and proceeded to copyright claim anyone reposting it. What an embarrassment…

[@gabrieles4564]

How can they copyright claim people for that? It's Wembley's cctv, not AEW original material. Also, fair use is a thing.

[@Gokulosestoavirus]

@@gabrieles4564 They trademark it. My guess is UK and USA have different trademark laws, and they found a loophole. Fair Use is very selective. No charges were submitted towards Punk. So it’s technically not public.

[@XainEisenhart]

They fail to mention a lot of things, all the time, because they're not real journalists.

[@anthonylucero6650]

@@GokulosestoavirusOh give me a break ya mook😒

[@MatthewKane-wk4ge]

“Can we move on now?” Is the title of a 20 minute video of two adult men being stooges. This is very embarrassing for them.

[@ernie312]

You don't know what the word "stooge" means. Stop using it.

[@PontFlair]

*​@ernie312* he's definitely using it correctly. You might want to look up the definition.

[@jackenyoff7820]

@@ernie312you don’t know what the word stooge means. Stop using it little bro

[@ElfRightsActivist]

@@jackenyoff7820 Why are you calling people little bro like you're a black teenager?

[@jackenyoff7820]

@@ElfRightsActivist black teenager? Stay in your racist lane lil bro

[@trancebruh3231]

Why do the two of you keep acting like Jack Perry and Hangman Page are completely innocent bystanders in this whole saga, when they both proactively chose to go into business for themselves during live broadcasts specifically to try to undercut Punk, the top babyface draw in the promotion? And in Hangman’s case, he explicitly admitted to Punk that he did it because of an unsubstantiated rumor that Punk got Colt Cabana was fired when he wasn’t even fired. And two years later now, Cabana is STILL getting a check from Tony Khan to do nothing. You two are completely incapable of being impartial about this whole story.

[@datacipher]

It’s insane.. they both picked the fights with Punk… and any promoter would be fuming if you go into business FOR YOURSELF on their TV with personal garbage. I was around the Hart wrestling camp in the 80’s. Stu hart himself would take you apart if you did that, and most of the roster would put you in the hospital with no calm talking about it like Punk started with lol.

[@mattb6616]

Any sane promoter would have fired hangman and perry a long time ago lol

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

It's been punks fault and him only since day one according to these guys. It's sickening what these guys and the elite tried to do. It's blown up in all their faces except for the man they tried to drag through mud, he's bigger than ever, in a bigger company, got more money and about to have a great feud. Punks smelling like roses. Nice try guys nice try 👏. All over colt bloody cabana lol

[@vita1ogy.]

​@@mattb6616 Maybe not Hangman. Perry, yes. Hangman actually is over and serves a purpose on the roster

[@juliuspryce8514]

​@@vita1ogy.Both

[@MScal0316]

Dave Meltzer: "the video is meant to embarrass Punk. It'll show Punk missing all of his punches." Punk didn't throw a punch. Bryan Alvarez: "Punk sucker punched him. Jack Perry slipped out of a front face lock..." He didn't.

[@patshowiedoit5340]

What's funny is that I've seen so many AEW fans, Dave and Bryan included keep saying Punk threw a punch. It was a shove. How can you be a grown man with working eyeballs and not know what a real punch is? LAME.

[@MScal0316]

@@patshowiedoit5340 SRS said he couldn't distinguish whether it was a punch or a push and got upset when someone left a comment questioning how that can be. He then went into say Tony isn't sheltered from physical confrontation because "he's owned a football team and a soccer team". Wrestling media in 2024 folks. A literal PR arm of each company.

[@WallyHays]

No apologies, no "my sources were wrong." Just acting like they haven't been caught lying for the 1,000th time.

[@petersonofleo11]

​@@patshowiedoit5340Smarks think that getting out of the basement to get some hot cheetos from the kitchen is considered cardio so of course they don't know the difference between a shove and a punch.

[@iamthedave3]

@@WallyHays What should Dave apologise for, exactly?

[@MBison-fs8vp]

Dave and Bryan are absolute clowns except their noses are not red they are brown

[@hmwpyro18]

Cry about it

[@MBison-fs8vp]

Shields up

[@TheSteel101]

Yep Bryan claimed The footage would show punk approaching Perry with a group Punk punching Perry Punk getting him in a choke Perry easily getting outta of jt Bryan is so jealous punk got divas he perved on and now holds this crazy grudge

[@PMKru]

@@TheSteel101Facts Mf Steady Not Holding Jack Accountable

[@MC-zt3wb]

Smarmy, indie, PWG bullshit doesn’t translate to national television.

[@radical6905]

'Can we move on now?' Everyone could have moved on without them airing the footage

[@ericgarcia2943]

the people who are a part of creating this want us to move on

[@SanatoZen]

Same people couldn't have the same reaction when Punk couldn't move on. They laughed, after being the same hypocrites who crapped on Punk in AEW, and tried to make Punk look cool by commenting on every AEW related video they could. Tony lets this get to him, make that segment, and amplifies the trolls reaction to AEW. A shame, because even WWE during Mania acknowledged AEW saving pro wrestling.

[@619AJ]

Lmao can we move on now.. no we can not because you guys hyped this up. So now you deal with the fall out whether you like it or not.

[@AGxAG]

​@@619AJ Yeah saying can we move on now is ironic when it's all every one will be talking about for the next few weeks . 😂

[@AngelPerezComedy]

@@619AJ alvarez talking like hes an employee of aew. Motherfucker talking about backstage is your entire job. You cant move on.

[@TheKeelhaulingCommittee]

Can we move on? Dude, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FUCKING AIRED IT 😂😂😂

[@stealthcheck]

You have comprehension problems. AEW isn't asking to move on. That's the title of THIS video.

[@Straximus]

@@stealthcheck The comprehension problems come from a place of being convinced that Dave and Bryan are always supporting and defending AEW. A significant number of commenters here don't even watch the videos they hate-reply to.

[@rustybuquet4145]

"can we move on now" says the guys who had the Punk Brawl Out videos on the front page of this channel for over a year

[@jamesmiller5331]

​@rustybuquet4145 didn't Alvarez say that the video was going to prove Punk's assessment of the situation wrong? So why is Alvarez not wearing his big red clown nose today? He needs to put that MF on and he's never allowed to take it off again.

[@TheKeelhaulingCommittee]

@@stealthcheck the can we move on now was me making fun of AEW saying it. They want to move on with one hand and play the backstage footage on the other hand. Work on your comprehension skills, son.

[@Urjel82]

IF AEW does not want the audience to shout the name of WWE wrestlers, then they should STOP CONSANTLY REFERRING TO THEM!!!!

[@PontFlair]

Exactly!!! AEW talking about WWE, just reminds people to watch WWE or at the least, turn AEW off.

[@aliasunknown1892]

Hearing Dave defending AEW by citing other examples of the same thing only to say "this isn't a defense!" 😂 Dude needs the retirement home

[@OrlyYaRlyK]

It was exactly how Punk said it went. AEW has now edited out the clip from their KZbin channel. I wonder why.

[@monkey56826]

He did say some bs but pretty much

[@royalty843]

I saw a guy on Twitter say he had to take his video down because AEW sent out copywritght strikes immediately after the backfire....I really think when Ariel did a side by side of punks interview and the footage is when TK mobilized the strikes.

[@polsdofer]

​@royalty843 Tony really thought he was cooking but when he found out he was getting cooked, he panicked. They essentially tattled on themselves and tried to back track on the internet. Fucking losers.

[@unknownkingdom]

They edited nothing.

[@simonturner1]

Punk threw the first punch (again). He was claiming he didn't do anything so he lied.

[@Fresh2494_]

You guys were quoting AEW guys saying it’d expose punk as a liar lol. You guys are ridiculous

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Hahahah

[@sixtwentysix]

As desperate for clicks as AEW is… sad how Meltzer grovels for what’s left of his audience

[@ThePatrickBynum]

The crowd was chanting “Punk was right.” This level of ineptitude only happens once in a generation 😂

[@daveh1065]

It did expose Punk as a BiG ass liar.. he said he didnt punch anyone?..it definitely showed he's a fn bully, the one with the high school mentality, unprofessional af, but ur a Stan so u wont see it any other way.

[@ArmandoOriz_]

These guys are goofs. Proving Punk right yet again! 😂

[@mikeydoc11]

Saying Punk lied about how it was broken up? They say Joe got between them and separated them. Go and watch, Joe gets in the middle for a few seconds, can’t break it up, Punk let’s go and pushes him away. These 2 are shameless

[@pleaseshutup7053]

True

[@Lionheartx675]

Tony Schiavone was out there looking like a Vietnam vet suffering PTSD except it was flashbacks to the downfall of WCW

[@jeffsmall369]

Edge "let's move on from all the negative b.s." Tony/Young Bucks/Will Ospreay "hold my beer"

[@emirlsanchos6302]

More like Tony: Hold my red clown nose.

[@scoonboon]

These 2 clowns are responsible for about 50% of all of this. Stirred it up. Would never let it go. Fed half of a story from the Bucks and ran with it. You all made Punk ALOT of money.

[@glenncanning8189]

Come on dude, this is 100% Tony Khan’s fault. His complete inability to be even remotely a leader and an adult is the root cause of all of AEW’s problems.

[@joshmanuel3773]

It's wild to me that they are calling Jungle Boy a scapegoat STILL. A jobber instigated this entire fiasco and let back stage stuff spill into live TV of their biggest show ever....and he's the scapegoat? 😂 If Tony Khan was a real boss he would have fired the jobber as soon as got behind the curtain before Punk even spoke to him. If Johnny Gargano stirred up stuff with Roman Reigns, it wouldn't be Roman Reigns getting canned. That's without mentioning that is an extremely tame locker room fight for anybody who has ever been part of a real locker room lol

[@forceworks7586]

GOOFS!

[@RavenGlenn]

​@@joshmanuel3773Exactly! If this was WWE, Jack Perry would have been fired on the spot.

[@Mitchell_E_Underscore]

Why watch the videos if you don't like them? I don't watch a lot of Observer stuff, but whenever I do, the comments are filled with people saying how much they hate these guys? If I don't like someone, I don't watch their shit.

[@swaggykelz6622]

How you say “Punk lied” about Samoa Joe asking him to stop when you yourself later said the footage had no audio ? Make it make sense

[@DJSkandalous]

Exactly! Joe was definitely talking when getting involved. It's like these guys are clueless

[@haloichigo1]

Joe pulled Jack and Punk away immediately. It is not what Punk stated that he had Jack in a choke and Joe convinced him to stop and he let go. Punk for the most part told the truth about the altercation but that part definitely not about that part.

[@togo6545]

@@haloichigo1 The whole scuffle was 6 seconds, and Joe was part of it for most of it. Do you think Joe went over there to pull them apart, but he didn't say "break it up" or something?

[@Rokxis]

when jungle jackass redebuts at aew the cm punk chants gonna get wild

[@IggyBang]

The crowd was chanting “CM Punk” while the footage was airing.

[@royalty843]

The hundreds went wild.

[@psyopticprodigy2427]

@@royalty843 For the hundreds in attendance and the 750k watching at home.

[@johnfalcetta5431]

​@@psyopticprodigy2427😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 💀

[@redrick8900]

Yeah. punk fans are trash and will chant him in a video of him attacking people.

[@mezykin]

imagine being over on both Raw and Dynamite on the same week. he did a Rick Rude!

[@hezipullup2600]

Remember when Dave said this about the incident: “Lunging was far too kind. If you saw the actual wording of what was said, I was toning it down. It was more than lunging.”

[@bigkrutherford]

You guys were so sure 4 days ago that this footage would prove that CM Punk was lying. Now you're saying move on. Admit you were wrong.

[@RockSmith-rl9qr]

Yeah that ain't gonna happen

[@JayG724]

Move on? The only reason this is a thing is you and the rest of the wrestling urinalists made it a thing.

[@mynameisjeff92]

Adam Copeland must be so ashamed, his promo last week was so pointless

[@yosefvargasx]

he had a good match. Did you bother to watch?

[@jayramos6942]

@@yosefvargasxnobody watched , that’s exactly one of AEW’s biggest problem. 😂😂😂

[@TacoKingpin]

@@yosefvargasxdid you bother to read?😂 no one’s saying he’s ashamed of his in-ring work, but he’s definitely ashamed to be apart of the clown show

[@anyiasmith5833]

Right

[@josephcooke4678]

Is promo was bad last week and what they did on the show this this week just showed how truly worthless last week's promo was

[@James9399_]

Perry told him to do something about it and Punk did something about it. Don’t tell someone lets go if you ain’t ready to go.

[@joeymanny]

that sarting point of any fight

[@samismith8752]

And the funny thing is that it led to the equivalent of a playground shoving match. Something that happens in locker rooms all the time. That they fired Punk over this is hilarious. Tony is truly a baby.

[@dngn4774]

Nah punk’s in the wrong cause he didn’t let Jack fix his hair first. 😂

[@shannonnorman1101]

And now the AEW marks want to blame CM Punk for doing something about it lol crazy!

[@stevenwright6254]

Metzer’s bias compromises the integrity of his journalism. He can’t even see it.

[@PontFlair]

He's NOT a journalist.

[@benjaminheld3874]

Did they talk about how much the whole thing backfired and that within minutes AEW tried to delete the whole thing off of twitter?

[@FforFake]

Two guys who have milked these backstage scuffles for everything they're worth want to move on now. You just can't make it up.

[@Darksy_DePhil]

BIG this^ Two guys who helped cause the drama, milked the drama, and profited off the drama, now want us all to move on when their boys took the final "L". Very cute.

[@meadaiv8835]

its literally all their fault ahahahaha and now they want to move on

[@DenkyManner]

People only want to move on when they've been found out. Suddenly the thing they were obsessed with is "boring," but only because it no longer suits their agenda

[@XainEisenhart]

And they only wanna move on and want it all forgotten about, after being exposed as dishonest propagandists.

[@TheSteel101]

They only want to move on because it backfired for aew

[@bentheman1980]

What’s Alvarez saying here?! Joe pulled away Jack NOT punk. And he probably told Punk let him go. So Punk told us exactly what happened.

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Exactly, he would of been saying it when when to grab perry

[@simonturner1]

You can't say 'exactly' when you've thrown in a 'probably' in the previous sentence. Learn how English works.

[@bentheman1980]

@@simonturner1 life is more complicated than grammar son

[@goby1764]

@@simonturner1 learn how social interaction works

[@Treznor331]

​@@simonturner1 🤡

[@Shmiguelly]

The AUDACITY of "Can we move on now?" when this channel has been the main cause of instigating hatred between the two companies. You guys are jokes, and anyone who continues to listen is a joke by association.

[@jtyree26]

Punk was telling the truth. This makes AEW look stupid Jungle Boy looks weak Bucks look lame Tony Khan looks like a little B and Dave is obviously a lier from all his reporting on this

[@Nreeko16]

CM Punk def. Jack Perry match of the night. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@todpolk]

6 stars if it was at the Tokyo Dome

[@johnedwarddowney]

Oh, please, this match was ALL storyline. They only did, like, one move before the interference started. ☆1/2, and that's being generous.

[@juanheredia9297]

Seems like Jack def. Punk only with words easy to do

[@renmojito6796]

@@juanheredia9297 Joke didn't land. Try another

[@EmperorPenguinn]

​@@juanheredia9297 What kind of retort is this💀💀💀

[@godking311]

1st lie by Alvarez 5:48 Punk never said he said "Okay" to Joe

[@adrianpheiffer9960]

Lol how do they even know what was said? There is no sound in the video.. Joe could've been shouting at Punk to let go while pulling Perry away

[@MTMuppet]

@@adrianpheiffer9960that’s what the original comment is saying…

[@stinkybojangles4128]

He did tho.......are you a punk cultist?

[@Cambergain]

@@adrianpheiffer9960how do we know what was said?? Maybe cuz the person doing the choking told us in an interview earlier this week 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@stealthcheck]

You have comprehension problems. He was talking about what Punk said.

[@McCheeseincakes]

"It just wasn't well thought out" Man it's as if we just went through two weeks of Dynamites with reactionary content based off of one podcast appearance.

[@michaelp8681]

So does Alvarez think that Samoa Joe and the rest of the room was silent just because the footage doesn’t have audio? Pretty disingenuous, goof. No lies detected from Punk.

[@draculemihawk3123]

Dave meltzer and Bryan alvarez are two of the biggest clowns in wrestling.

[@dws0828]

Or they’re running a successful business that got you and others to click on to another video…

[@EscapeArt15]

@@dws0828both can be right.

[@gabetough5530]

@@dws0828 we’re clicking on their video to hear what else these two idiots will say.

[@methos19751]

⁠people love watching train wrecks

[@yoitsyoboyjohnny5891]

And yet you can’t stay away from your daddy Dave

[@CyborgElbow]

Meltzer back in September: "Throughout this whole ordeal, you [Bryan Alvarez] and I were far too kind to him [Punk]. That’s the reality, we were far too kind. I always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, I always tried to give his side. But they didn’t want to hear it, they just wanted to go, ‘Oh you are after him,’ and everything like that. "Lunging" [at Tony] was far too kind. If you saw the actual wording of what was said, I was toning it down. It was more than "lunging"" THAT was the "lunge" that made Tony "afraid for his life"? LMAO

[@snakecharmer3587]

Looked like he tripped on someone’s foot

[@batmang9014]

And Tony was behind some railing Punk wasn't go a jump that ti get to Tony

[@DoctorMooCow]

i imagine there is more that happened out of frame bro.

[@CyborgElbow]

@@DoctorMooCow So you genuinely think, despite everything from the footage we were shown happening exactly as Punk described it, that there was a **separate** altercation **after** the match, which nobody tried to stop for some reason? If there's footage of that I'd love to see that too, otherwise it sounds like cope from Meltzer and Alvarez to avoid looking ridiculous for taking Tony "fearing for his life" at face value.

[@Dynaraw]

He flipped his lap top up towards him

[@warrensloan3467]

Ospreay’s shot at Triple H shouldn’t have ever been on TV because it was a pathetic shot. Triple H was already the world champion before they ever got together, he was given an executive position because of their marriage, but he still has it even after she left the company and he’s been very successful, how are you going to point out someone’s success as a knock?

[@goby1764]

Are we just gonna act like Alvarez didn't just advertise this footage two days ago?

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

U can just imagine ole Bryan of camera.. chuckles yeah we got him now 😂

[@dngn4774]

Dave and Bryan spent multiple years leading the charge to drag Punk’s name through the dirt. There’s finally evidence supporting his version of events and you want everyone to just move on? Don’t pretend to care about the toxicity of a well you poisoned. We all know if the footage went the other way these two would be farming a half dozen more anti-punk vids instead of “just moving on.”

[@thecapn3560]

Now that punk finally speaks everyone wants to move past this. Goofs

[@samrizza8785]

You can always tell a CM Punk stan. They have the same selective memory that he does

[@andrewglidewell2699]

Wow. I’m not an AEW fan and thought this was a horrible idea and looks defensive and sad, but you just watched a video where things literally happened differently than Punk said it did and you turn around and say “ See, he was telling the truth”. That’s a sad Trump supporter level of delusion.

[@jmhova]

Punk screwed punk. More than twice.

[@dngn4774]

@@samrizza8785You can always tell an elite fan. They keep shadow boxing with the bad man who was banished half a year ago and still manage to lose! Self-inflicted L, after self-inflicted L.

[@arvydussibonus1712]

5:46 What? There was no audio so you have no idea what Samoa Joe said. This is your interpretation, not facts.

[@WallyHays]

"This is your interpretation, not facts" is the basic response to everything that comes out of these two nincompoops mouths.

[@RB_rules]

Exactly! They cannot stop lying about punk

[@grabbity]

This. Alvarez literally timed the entire thing and himself said it lasted 6 seconds start to finish and the facelock was 4 seconds. Joe obviously said to let him go on his way over, because the amount of time required to say let him go, wait for a response, then go over would be a hell of a lot longer than 4 seconds. Also, and I can't stress this enough, Punk, DJ Whoo Kid and Samoa Joe all said it happened that way lol

[@duckmercy11]

​@@grabbityWhoo Kid? The DJ for 50 Cent? He was there?

[@PontFlair]

​@@duckmercy11yeah he was.

[@andrewmachado6988]

You know shit is bad when Alvarez and Meltzer are criticizing their decision on airing this footage. I wonder what the fallout will be as a result of airing this. It will be interesting to see what the ratings are this week and next week. (This week to see how many people tuned in to see this, next week to see how many people will stick around and continue to watch the shows and support AEW).

[@robsoto5834]

If you say “what are you going to do about it” to someone you’re in a heated argument with and don’t expect them to do something about it especially when the guy across from you is known to do something about it you’re just completely naive.

[@saintK900]

What did he do? Well, Bryan, the guy went into business for himself and disrespected Punk on national TV and when confronted said "do something about it". Thats not scapegoat. Thats a guy finding out that there are consequences to his actions. Don't use fighting words if you don't want to fight.

[@simonturner1]

How did he disrespect Punk on TV? Someone told Perry getting a rental car to smash up was ok, and we need to know who. Punk can tell him no all he likes, but if it was TK who OKed that, then Punk should have minded his own business.

[@paulghignon4092]

@@simonturner1 it probably wasn't TK. It was in all likelihood the Bucks, and Tony is notorious for being unable to say no when he should.

[@paulghignon4092]

He kind of is... Do people not understand he was being pulled in two directions by two groups competing for power? The Bucks (his bosses) are telling him to do one thing (the glass spot). Punk on the other hand is telling him not to. No matter what Perry was a scapegoat. He's being blamed for this whole thing when he was literally doing what he was told to do. Punk could've done plenty of things other than start a physical altercation backstage. We also don't know if Perry indeed said "do something about it", because there's no audio.

[@rshirley23]

​@@simonturner1 I'm sure he would have if that little idiot would have kept his mouth shut instead of calling out punk

[@lewislebeau4510]

“Throughout this whole ordeal, you [Bryan Alvarez] and I were far too kind to him. That’s the reality, we were far too kind. I always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, I always tried to give his side. But they didn’t want to hear it, they just wanted to go, Oh you are after him, and everything like that. Lunging was far too kind. If you saw the actual wording of what was said, I was toning it down. It was more than lunging.” What was that about, Dave?

[@Hallo_215]

Hold the old fart accountable, stop taking these “journalists” seriously and STOP PAYING for the observer for Christ’s sake Lmao

[@jayramos6942]

This is why these guys are goofs on the internet, they make shit up 😂

[@fahimasiful3795]

I still remember this quote from this goof

[@ovionradion9260]

👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@justinjohnson8551]

these guys are trash.

[@jeff_8789]

To me osprey forgets hunter was a top guy before him an steph even started dating just like undertaker said he put in his time so don't worry abt what others think there happily married with kids 20+ yrs later so dont think grinding the bosses daughter was just for his spot no way in hell u do that for any job if u don't actually wanna be with that person

[@glenncanning8189]

The fact that Khan actually aired this is surreal to me. Also, it’s completely ridiculous to say that Punk lied about Samoa Joe’s involvement in this. Just because he physically pulled them apart doesn’t make Punk’s description of this as “Joe said let him go” untrue- two things can be happening at once, guys. And I’m not even a Punk sycophant, but let’s just be real here.

[@TunaGavinDolphinFree]

Can we move on?? Why because it proved that everything cm punk said was true and he wasn't lying? But it also show how bad Tony Khan is a booking and managing a wrestling company

[@meherenow793]

zero documented incidents since punk left; says it all, really.

[@TunaGavinDolphinFree]

@meherenow793 zero? What about Jericho? What about Tony employing Don Calis who had to leave TNA due to SA rumours? But punk chokes someone and that's the worse. What about the evps breaking into punks locker and punk beating them up and getting injured in the process. But no it's punks the problem

[@Absinthexx7]

@@meherenow793idk why you guys care so much about these “documented incidents” he had a 5s fight with an idiot that was talking shit. If you’re really a fan of aew wouldn’t your biggest concern be that the show isn’t as good as it could be? I’ll agree with you punk probably shouldn’t have attacked him, but you can’t just disrespect people and think they’ll smile and walk away. If someone was treated that way on a construction site or any athlete was treated how punk was they’d retaliate too

[@CoffeeStain-Music]

Sorry but you guys aren't burying this hard enough. This was sad. Total 1999 WCW vibes by acting desperate, scared, and putting on pathetic segments like this. It's not like it made CM Punk look bad. Its not like this will really heat up whatever angle the Bucks or Jungle Boy are doing. It just came off as petty and sad. It wasn't to justify firing him. It was to pop a rating and hope something came out of it to stop the bleeding.

[@BlackViperGX]

The firing was all justified but showing the video was pathetic.

[@zemm9003]

2000 WCW*

[@RolfeSenpai]

@@ovived88 Buddy, they just spent 20 minutes burying this segment, and have said on every show that they thought airing the footage was a bad idea. You fuckers really just put on earplugs and comment whatever stupid thought comes into your head don’t you?

[@jonathanperez1921]

​@@BlackViperGXthe firing was "justified" in what reality? Punk is a proven draw, simple as that

[@questionthemark4982]

you obviously didn't watch WCW 1999 if you think its anywhere in the balpark. You IWC people are total mouth breathers.

[@Bask3tChase]

The amount of wrestling fans that are acting completely baffled by the concept of someone telling someone to do something about it, and then that someone doing something about it is hilarious. Don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit. It ain’t that hard of a concept to grasp.

[@christopherescobar10]

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if Alvarez and Meltzer have never been in a fight either.

[@YourJamaicanChief]

Bryan said he lied but he actually did choke Jack 😂😂😂

[@Mortallica03]

The fact that AEW is sending copyright strikes on Twitter and that the incident is not on the Buck segment on KZbin tells you all They realized how dumb it was to put that footage on TV

[@royalty843]

After Ariel did his edit was when TK couldn't take it no more.

[@UncomfortableShoes]

AEW: Wait, people can cut this clip and upload it as much as they want mocking us? Who knew?

[@user-gd6gr5nv7g]

@@royalty843 🤣

[@Bama20512]

Somebody probably threatened a lawsuit

[@royalty843]

They tried to put the "Scapegoat" over and failed 😂😂😂

[@jcarreon1983jc]

I'm more interested if Dave will give Tony Khan the infamous "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic" for the end of the year awards for airing this video.

[@riskypugga]

Jack Perry being on suspension at all and not being pushed is insane. The Aew crowd legit hate him like they're supposed to, and Aew ain't capitalizing on it.

[@Trid111]

If you get my top draw into a situation that costs me all the money he could have made me, you're fired, not suspended. FIRED. Perry should have been released, he has no upside to him. Couldn't draw a dime with a pen and paper if you spotted him the circle.

[@bohottie]

So this absolutely destroys everyone except CM Punk. What in the actual fuck is Tony thinking? This is all his fault. If he acted like a boss instead of a friend, this whole thing could have been avoided. It’s embarrassing.

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Literally made punk bigger than ever, not a liar and shows the animosity against him, all a ploy to get him out and drag his name through the mud. Backfired big time

[@FatsFalafel]

Saying this after watching a clip of Punk losing his mind and assaulting a coworker is legitimately insane.

[@mxbr623]

@@FatsFalafel he shoved him a bit and put him in a headlock. I'm not a fan of this either but Jack Perry probably asked for it with his behaviour, Tony Khan did nothing inspite of being warned a hundred times. And now AEW shows this footage on TV and confirms everything Punk said, they look like fucking idiots.

[@FatsFalafel]

@@mxbr623 dude he punched Jack in the face and then choked him. Then lunges at Tony. This all took place in a span of seconds. How does any of it make Punk look like the good guy in this situation?

[@mxbr623]

@@FatsFalafel watch the clip again. He doesn't punch him, he pushes him away and then puts him in a headlock/chokehold. But anyway. Nobody suggests Punk is "the good guy". It's definitely not the right thing to do but he told Tony several times to fix the situation after Perry cussed out people telling him to stop his stupid glass bs. After Punk was asked by Shiavone to help, he told Perry to let it go. He agreed and then went on their biggest show and insulted Punk on TV. So Punk went to him and Perry told him "to do something about it". Again, it's not gentleman like by Punk but Perry asked for it and Tony Khan did nothing to control the situation. Now they air the clip on TV which only makes them look like absolute fools and confirms everything Punk said about the incident.

[@danielcraig4974]

What was the point of showing that footage? Was it to self sabotage AEW? Someone explain.

[@juniorkhomari1850]

​@jobe616 what a stupid fucking reason

[@kolst]

@@jobe616 so you're telling me in storyline it's worth burying your own company to get a 1-up on another tag team?

[@bigtime-baxster5798]

There audience is tuning out in droves before they land a new TV deal and Tony is in panic mode.

[@juniorkhomari1850]

​@@jobe616what a fucking stupid reason

[@carlwhitwell]

Think it was for: Transparency. To put the whole thing to bed. To get the final word after Punk downplayed it in that unprovoked interview he didn't have to do.

[@shysgarage2405]

Tony Schiavone's demeanor before and after the footage aired says everything you need to know...

[@ebransc09]

“That is all the people need to know”. BVR

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

Tony's thinking I can't be serving coffee at my age

[@OgKamoGaming]

No matter how you spin it, Punk wasn’t lying and even the AEW fans in the arena thought so. People hate the Young Bucks and love CM Punk, and all the talent going on the defense is just making AEW look like a 3rd rate promotion.

[@Am0ment0fB]

How soft is Ospreay that he thinks he's the one HHH was discussing? Ha.

[@claybaxter3202]

Yeah exactly. That promo did nothing. Embarrassing as hell.

[@FforFake]

I like how Ospreay thought the same tired line everyone has ever said about Triple H was really scathing. He looked so proud of himself after he said it.

[@Am0ment0fB]

You get it, bruv. Here have a 🍪. Ha. ​@@claybaxter3202

[@Am0ment0fB]

​@@FforFakeimagine not only costing yourself to ever have a spot at WWE, but to also not be able to leverage Tony Khan again next time. But, Aew won't be around anyways. Ha.

[@Am0ment0fB]

@@FforFake I'm surprised he didn't call him big nose. Ha.

[@TribalThief]

Ahhh, now you want to move on 😂😂. They got flamed on social media, punk was right all along, Tony Khan is a complete moron, punk trending number 1 then the money shot, camera zooms in on the gamechanger 57 okada and the crowd are chanting cm punk 😂😂😂😂

[@polsdofer]

Title should say, "We we're wrong, can we move on now?" They'll never admit when they were wrong, though.

[@TheBadderman]

Your old, your grave is expecting you soon😂😂😂😂

[@panglimabali3902]

They so lucky being respectful for many2 decades ago..but the facts is : This wrestling journalist company is TOTALLY IMPOTENT. 😊

[@xShoTime83x]

@@TheBadderman What a weirdo. 🤣

[@michealmartinsr4783]

Tony Schiavones Expression and silence spoke more volume to the stupidness of the whole situation then actually what happened he looks like he's a passenger on the Titanic just sitting waiting to sink. The absolute only winner is Drew for the material

[@sedrickgipson8088]

This and the Will Ospreay promo hurt AEW

[@ChrisCash720]

Will is so stupid. Build your match with Danielson that has 0 heat. 😂😂😂

[@ovionradion9260]

DUSTIN AND JOE MATCH 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😑😑😑😑

[@GTAjedi]

What did Jack Perry do to deserve being "suspended" for 7 months? Instigated a fight with CM Punk, causing Tiny to have to fire Punk and costing them massively in ticket sales, merch sales and viewership. I'd say he got off pretty lightly!

[@Saddler1944]

It's amazing how Dave and Brian always play down CM Punks Star power. He took so many fans with him they had to change narrative about how 800,000k is the new Million.

[@datacipher]

And he didn’t even instigate it backstage.. he did it publicly on pov at their biggest event. Wow these two are clowns….

[@ReiHost]

I truly believe that Jack Perry manipulated the whole incident into existence. He was told no on the glass spot and afterward, went around those managers to get it approved by a different bunch of executives. Perhaps executive vice presidents, in this case. This is SUCH typical office power plays and politicking that my only disappointment is that Punk played into it. And if anyone doubts that Jungle Boy was trying to get this to happen, the obvious power play nature of this whole issue is the reason Punk yelled at Tony when they were pulled apart.

[@Cambergain]

@@datacipherhe literally said “do something about it” 🤡u can see Punk chuckling in the video because he knew he would destroy perry🤣 get educated mark

[@paulghignon4092]

@@ReiHost Or Jack was literally being pulled into two different directions by two groups of people looking for power. Punk's camp is telling him not to do it, and Buck's camp is telling him to do it, both of which were placed into positions of power. Imagine if you work somewhere, and you're given two conflicting directions and neither side is willing to budge. TK should've let Punk leave after Brawl Out happened, and at the end of the day Punk and the Bucks couldn't coexist in the same company while having positions of power like TK wanted.

[@Schmotz1031]

Ya'll wanna move on because you're AEW shills and the video makes them look bad. If the opposite were true, you'd talk about it forever

[@TheJuancho]

Dave Meltzer blocked me on Twitter for saying he shouldn't feed into it. He says he doesn't block people unless they're being disrespectful. What a joke.

[@FencerFixerRepairLLCKansasCity]

If Jack comes back and does some sort of promo in the ring, the crowd is likely going to start chanting CM Punk's name.

[@jonjones9917]

wow what a big brain take this is.

[@FencerFixerRepairLLCKansasCity]

@@jonjones9917 Just making an observation stupid

[@PontFlair]

@@jonjones9917 let him have his post.

[@kencarr2190]

And again hangman page started all of this and still no one brings that up.

[@glennbetancourt1606]

Facts! Hangman started it all. Yet these goofs never bring it up.

[@hopefulelectoftheng2819]

Tony Khan should have been a boss and actually made a story out of this with Punk FTR And the Elite

[@jonjones9917]

insane that you can arrive at Fucking Hangman Page being the cause of another 45 year old man's insolent behavior.

[@WallyHays]

Well Meltzer brought up that he "didn't have a chance to say his side of the story... Or whatever." Like "I'm a giant dingus who ruined all of the forward momentum of a promotion with one really, really stupid and incoherent promo on the go away show before a PPV" needs to be said.

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

How did Hangman start it when Eddie Kingston said the same things and worse to Punk's face? What's with this schoolyard "he started it" stuff? Who cares, and why does it matter? If Punk was the grown man that he claims to be, he would've let Hangman's comments roll off his back. He's the one who decided to keep that energy alive by responding when he didn't have to. Being a grown up means controlling what you can control.

[@jeffhallii7907]

It's on record andrade punched sammy guevara and no one gave 1 single shit! At end of the day it's in Tony, lack of institutional control. Punk pulling a Rick rude he was on raw and dynamite at the same.

[@L3ghair]

This was their finger poke of doom. This company is done. No clue how anyone can respect them anymore.

[@PontFlair]

Except "The Finger Poke of Doom" was a Pro-Wrestling angle. This wasn't. This was Jack Perry getting smart and then getting consequences for it.

[@robr1611]

8:20 or so they mention 'everyone' is talking about Perry's long suspension. I haven't seen one person talk about it. No one cares about Perry and this video made him look terrible. Who fixes their hair after they get shoved twice?

[@mattb6616]

Perry looks like he has tears in his eyes in the video and they probably cut the audio because his crying was too bad.

[@jonjones9917]

someone who has a level head, and understands he's at WORK

[@WallyHays]

​@@jonjones9917all of the "clutching their pearls, Punk is such an unprofessional at the workplace" act like getting in a coworkers face and saying "What're you going to do about it?" is somehow professional behavior. Get outtah here.

[@CK2008able]

Dave's brain is so scrambled trying to defend AEW on all this. The Ospreay promo almost as bad as airing that footage, so tone deaf

[@joshwent]

WE all did move on 8 months ago. It's Richie Rich who lacks emotional/booking intelligence.

[@jamescooper3324]

You guys reported falsehoods like Punk getting Cabana fired, Punk being the catalyst for all this despite KNOWING it’s TK’s lack of leadership and blatant refusal to be a boss. And then even after Punk did the mma hour, you still try to blame Punk and nobody else. Not Jack for being unprofessional and cussing out several higher ups, not Tony for not being a boss, not the Bucks for refusing to be EVP’s before being wrestlers. Pathetic.

[@LionOfJudah83]

Dave and Bryan cultivate this kind of nonsense. They contribute to AEWs cultish behavior.

[@RueTV]

The incident with Tony WAS shown!!! Look close towards the end to the right- that is Tony’s arm reaching in. Then punk leans/walks towards Tony on the right and yells at him. I’m sure said exactly what he said in the interview. That was IT. “Feared for my life.”

[@todpolk]

Tony had a nice billionaire’s life if that put the fear of God into him

[@christiankarlkarganilla2763]

Uncle Dave thinks he's so slick that he tried to slip in that no TK clip comment lmao.

[@mothertrucker341]

Plus punk couldnt tap out a soup can so not even jungle douche was in a life threatening situation

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Of what you can make out with the pillar/wall in the way, through body language and guessing, it looked like he pointed at someone as he "lunged" forward or stumbled whatever.

[@normaningemann3868]

Is that what scared Tony? Oh boy!😅😅😅

[@nixn6412]

I’m watching a sad man. Pride is terrible

[@SaharKouhpayeh]

Bryan has such a weird vendetta against Punk that it's actually uncomfortable

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

Punk stole Bryan's women ...who wouldn't be upset?

[@glennbetancourt1606]

Alvarez are you serious? Dude there is footage. We saw what happened. It sure as hell wasn’t what you had said took place. How do you know Joe didn’t ask him. Because Joe did not pull them apart. Punk let him go. What happen to Punk walked up to him with a group of people. And started throwing punches. And proceeded to try to choke him but did not or jungle boy slipped out quick. Lmfaoo Alvarez you look defeated! You guys are a joke.

[@jonjones9917]

lmao. what a child

[@ahyashrawchaa1310]

Fuckin right

[@MindOfGenius]

I mean, it looked like Joe was keeping Perry away from Round 2....

[@togo6545]

Yeah, there's a good 4 seconds between Joe getting to the scuffle and Punk letting go. Plenty of time for it to have gone as Punk said. Alvarez is just trying to invent something that makes Punk a liar. For extra hilarity, check out their comments before it was released. At about the 4 minute mark of the "AEW is going to air the CM Punk/Jack Perry All In footage on Dynamite" video, Meltzer says "I will presume that this is airing because there's proof that what Punk said wasn't true. The funny part is...even if that's the case, people will pretend that it's true." WELP!

[@glennbetancourt1606]

@@MindOfGenius didn’t seem like Perry was making much of an effort lol

[@doubles7533]

I feared for my life watching that footage

[@thecolonel3995]

I fear for my eyesight watching AEW, I fear my eyes will start bleeding or I'll go blind

[@anthonymilano6116]

He never said Joe walked over calmly and asked him to stop Joe could have been yelling stop let him go so that wasn't a lie. Oh this is Alvarez who kneels down for AEW?

[@xavierrhcp13]

Alvarez was creaming his pants when he was talking about how they were gonna air this, and how it'd expose Punk. And look at us now, He wants to "move on"?! 😂😂😂

[@ahyashrawchaa1310]

Actually he was sounding kinda nervous to me. Like he wasn't sure how it was going to look, but he definitely knew internally that he reported some falsehoods about the incident.

[@adeviantproduction]

I'll move on when I'm done laughing at AEW for airing this. It'll be a while.

[@flutie342]

Weirdly you guys never addressed one of the biggest issues and that’s the AEW management looked at this footage after Punk did the podcast and they all thought “yep, this footage is going to mess him up bad and this will get folks to get on our side.” How can so many people be so dead wrong? And Osprey making the same old and tired HHH with the bosses joke. Think we’ve heard that one for 20 years. All AEW did was prove Punk right in everything he said about AEW being a clown show and not a real business

[@juanheredia9297]

It's ok for Paul Levesque to take shots at AEW though Wrestlemania week? 🤔

[@todpolk]

Tony took the bait because he is the snowman. It’s why Trips keeps baiting him whenever he can because he knows just fire enough shots, Tony will do something stupid

[@flutie342]

@@juanheredia9297not that it’s okay or not okay. Paul knew his words weren’t going to make him look like a doofus and everybody leading up to this footage knew it was going to make AEW look bad and that is what is happening now

[@DaewoOoOoOoOo]

@@juanheredia9297No, it's not OK. But what you do is ignored those shots especially when HHH never said any names. You rise above the petty comments not shine a light on it and that goes both ways.

[@paulghignon4092]

It also proved Punk has an anger problem he seemingly couldn't control himself. It also proved that Punk and the Bucks could never have worked together. Any time he's confronted physical violence breaks out. It also paints out what probably happened at the Brawl Out itself, which was probably Punk starting a physical altercation. This would never for a second happen around Vince or Triple H. Tony should've just canned him after Brawl Out and wiped his hands clean of the situation.

[@sfiv4527]

Looks to me like Jungle Boy says 'do something' Punk pushes him twice and Jungle Boy goes for him, to double leg him and Punk locks in a choke. Looks like he let's go cos Joe comes over. Nothing about this is new information that Punk didn't offer up.

[@elberno4243]

100%

[@RonSwansonsChair]

These two guys are such clowns man...they must be so embarrassed like this footage was an absolute L for all AEW parties involved its crazy - including the "journalists" on their side

[@hamilstarr4292]

Can the “elite” move on ? What a clown show AEW has become…. It’s so so sad

[@TheBadderman]

You support a rape company.

[@liquidbiden]

I was so excited when it first start but the last year has just been sniffing their own farts. It's unbearable.

[@mrmagpiepromotions]

AEW have successfully made everyone want to watch RAW now to see what Drew says about this, and listen to Cornette's thoughts on it. So they've generated buzz for the competition and their biggest critic 😅

[@dlvideos7436]

Booking level 100

[@svenwagner4717]

Cornette is going to have a field day both with the footage and these two running verbal circles. Especially the 'move on" part 😀

[@NoelComiX]

I don’t even think Jack moved towards him.

[@Janon48]

“Can we move on from all the gossip and drama” -people who created the drama and gossip

[@availuponreq]

I'm waiting for The Rise and Fall of AEW documentary

[@Thomas-kp8mo]

At this rate it’ll be out sooner rather than later.

[@85futureshock]

The stories that are going to come out about how Tony and the Bucks helped completely destroy this company are going to be epic

[@robertspindler5652]

Look forward to it or the Self destruction of Aew on Peacock

[@matthughes8199]

Did aew rise yet?

[@TheKaiFuller]

That "Dark Side of the Ring" episode is gonna HIT like the stuff Tony Khan takes 😅😂

[@doug2731]

It was an absolute disaster. Punk's interview with Helwani was validated. And the FTR Bucks feud isn't helped at all. You two are the only people on Earth trying to spin this, deflect, and STILL villainize Punk. Shame.

[@todpolk]

I wouldn’t say everything but most of it was accurate enough that this supposed smoking gun evidence against him went up in smoke

[@TheBadderman]

Punk was 100% in the wrong and a liar.

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Cornette fan here, so you already know how critical I am of AEW and Dave Meltzer. I don't think this was a disaster. What is a disaster is the fact that the company was tanking in ratings, attendance, merch sales and acclaim. What would be an even greater disaster would be if the trend continues. This was an attempt at reigning it back in. If nothing else, this drew interest to their product. Even if it's negative attention, a lot more people would probably have watched live, and they probably got a lot of hits on X and KZbin. Oh and guess what.... Cody Rhodes' brother is fighting for the world title against another great Samoan champion. Yes this can work out against them but at this point? What have they got left to lose?

[@royalty843]

​@@randomlyfactual1943Shad Khan is the last guy TK needs to piss off and have the plug pulled.

[@onewarriornation602]

​@@randomlyfactual1943"Another great Samoan Champion" you mean the 400lb limp of adipose tissue and laziness named Joe? The guy who has never drawn a single goddamned dime in 26 years of LARPing as a pro wrestler? 😂

[@Bjaerke]

When Punk started yelling at Tony I feared for my life.

[@MiguelJackson22]

I’ll tell you why Jack Perry hasn’t wrestled in 7 months. He most likely was the catalyst for the end of AEW.

[@todpolk]

Dave, will you apologize to that PWI reporter?

[@juniorkhomari1850]

What did he say? I don't remember

[@ThePindar]

He threatened his life​@@juniorkhomari1850

[@panglimabali3902]

Only most stupid variant of mamals in this Earth who (still) believe with Uncle Dave 😂