The Completionist Charity Situation Gets Worse...

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time I give an update on the charity situation involving one of the biggest OGs on this platform, The Completionist. With plenty of statements surfacing in regards to egregious claims regarding his Open Hand foundation it's time we dig a bit deeper and see that things aren't as they should be. Thanks for watching!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@joshuahstubbs6753]

What would happen if the money never existed because of some reasons. 😐

[@KryMoore]

Can someone give a TLDW description please?

[@archangelgabriel5316]

For a second I thought something happened to Meat Canyon.

[@insensitive919]

Why bring up ProJared's controversy when it has nothing to do with this? Jared has never been accused of stealing charity money. You are such a snake, Muta.

[@spidermanspidertheman3650]

​@@archangelgabriel5316me too ahaha

[@DocHolliday123]

Projared not doing his research and just making an assumption about people is REALLY funny

[@gameguy1337]

Lol that's what they call irony

[@hibarikyoya854]

Sadly that's how humans are if they see there freind getting attacked thell defend him that's just human nature imo. Still a bad take

[@thelaughingrouge]

It's kinda weird considering when all that stuff with Jared went down Jirard completely threw him under the bus... odd that he should be so quick to have the back of someone who didn't have his.

[@xavito4337]

That response is just ProJared being Projared 😂.

[@omensoffate]

@@Metalchip1989projared in thr sailer moon outfit?

[@Veteran_Nerd]

So people are mad that a charity got exposed instead of being mad at a charity for committing fraud. What a time to be alive.

[@Spiritnick]

It's called brand loyalty, mate. It's the same reason Nestle is still successful despite all the shit they pull: Popularity and brand loyalty overrides reasoning.

[@Flapjack3734]

Parasocial relationships basically.

[@Flapjack3734]

@robertallen2151 im no Mutahar fan but if youre referring to these videos he’s put out on Jirard, I wouldn’t really call 10 years of charity fraud with $600k raised by the gaming community a “minor event”

[@azureemarald5722]

Its downright cult like , most of the people who defend jirad are far-leftwing radicals . No matter what proof you show them they will still lie and make excuses . I found out what kind of person jirad was when he supported frosks unhinged rant on g4tv, no normal person can ever support rhetoric like that.

[@ls200076]

​@@Flapjack3734 ignore the incel troll

[@Saltience]

The amount of people exposing themselves for not even paying attention by asking “why didn’t they talk to jirard” is extremely funny.

[@americankid7782]

Hehehehe yeah

[@cjpack]

that shit pisses me off so much, deal with that type of stuff irl, everyone so focused on responding they never stop to listen

[@djhowell5273]

​@@cjpackintelligence is at an all time low

[@Death-999]

I noticed this immediately, on twitter there was one guy who was saying "remember projared? you should let the other side say their side before coming to conclusions" except they did let the completionist say their side, it was in the actual video. Turns out the guy was just a hater of this channel and wasn't afraid to state it. so he was biassed. Even projared is a hypocrite. "let both side say their story" except he didn't even watch the accusations side, because he would have seen the completionists side then too. Of all the people you'd think he'd know.

[@aidanhogan-thomas1797]

​@djhowell5273 The strangest thing is that it isn't. Critical thinking is.

[@cskelton]

Someone saying "no due diligence" while doing no due diligence seems like the epitome of Internet interactions 🎉

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

And Jared no less.

[@DichotomousRex]

@@ZenoDovahkiin If you've known of Jared this long are you surprised? He revealed himself back when he threw Holly under the bus.

[@frankmarano1118]

This is exactly why the aliens haven't invited us to the galactic table yet lmaoo

[@darkagedrifter]

@@frankmarano1118I just want some damn intergalactic barbecue. Shit I'll settle for interplanetary at this point.

[@frankmarano1118]

@@darkagedrifter Preach my brother, preach

[@publiusii4246]

The "we're looking for the right charity" argument looses a lot of weight when the guy is shown listing charities and talking about how much they give them.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

That's the misleading part. If they're not acceptable to receive/meet the criteria of your restricted guideline of donation, maybe I dunno... don't mention them?

[@DvainsWeassel]

loses*

[@bakabrick]

@@DvainsWeassel yet you still knew what they meant. no one cares bro.

[@Naptosis]

@@bakabrick People that finished school care.

[@vismattress5760]

@@Naptosis they really dont. no lifers care

[@KaoruMzk]

Muta forgot to mention something important: someone from Open Hand tried to take down Karl's video through a privacy claim but KZbin rejected it. Another massive red flag.

[@americankid7782]

Oh that’s sketchy

[@PaulieMcCoy]

@@americankid7782 And hilarious. Privacy? You're a 503(1)c - that's how the records were obtained in the first place...

[@theawesomeali8834]

is there even proof???

[@dyamimite]

i hadn't heard about that but jeeeeeeze that's a really bad look on the foundation

[@KaoruMzk]

@@theawesomeali8834 yes, Karl showed the creator studio page with the claim, with the name of Open Hand on his socials. Can't post a link that takes you outside of KZbin though, else my comment gets instadeleted, but you can easily find it.

[@soulayr]

Jared calling you out for apparently only talking shit for clout while only talking shit for clout is almost poetic.

[@Darkrezta]

who is jared?

[@Mulkar1985]

It may not be for clout. Jirard defended him when he was dealing with all the stuff with his ex-wife and the accusations, so Jared may just be returning the favor.

[@oxedward4738]

Wasn’t talking shit for clout. Jared is his personal friend and he went in defense mode by default and probably also had a flashback to when he got cancelled. It was a bad take but I highly doubt it was motivated by clout.

[@anonony9081]

Also he gave them a chance to explain his side and included it in his video, so he dug his own grave

[@MrJulio632]

Your profile picture is adorable

[@McCheeseincakes]

The fact that Jirard OPENLY LIED on camera/mic for years about where this money was going, and people are somehow fine with that sickens me.

[@iithax01]

Glad it ain’t mine 😭😂

[@ClayMann]

I went to check on this to be sure. Jirards language actually never changed from BEFORE he found out the money was not going to charity to AFTER he found out. The list of charities he name drops remain the same. His language remains the same, charities WE work with he says before and after. I don't believe Jirard recently found out. I think he's known from day one. If you found out you were sitting on all the money you thought had gone to these charities. Wouldn't you at least adjust your language to say something like "oh sure we work with charities, yup we're always looking for the best charity to donate to in the future!" Ya know, cover your ass because you were SO SHOCKED to find out the money hadnt been donated?

[@holitinne]

@@ClayMannI suppose he’s been the CONpletionist all along.

[@josephmatthews7698]

'Lie' is a strong term. Dudes mom died of the disease and made a charity trying to 'cure' it. Having worked in non profits it reeks of good intentioned but naive individual completely ignorant of how difficult these kinds of projects are. If he was doing this maliciously there's a million ways he could have cloaked the spending and simply pocketed the money. The fact there is no evidence he ever did this absolves him of malicious intent if you ask me. You'd have to really hate this guy to make yourself believe it was some kind of ultra long term con. I want a professional investigation done because I have a hunch Jirards family was either misleading him to give themselves a yearly income OR they wanted to have so much money they would have the power to indicate how the money is spent. I'm willing to wait for a professional investigation because although I have immense respect for guys like Mutahar, Coffezilla, Karl etc. People forget their jobs are not to definitively prove guilt or innocence, it is their job to use their platform and passion to point a finger at a house on fire and say, 'ain't it messed up there's smoke coming out of that house and nobodies doing anything about it? Either results wouldn't surprise me in the least and it also wouldn't surprise me if they do find some evidence of criminal negligence or mismanagement on Jirards fault. The real tragedy is the the internet doing what it always does and obsessing over drama instead of helping the victims.

[@smach5993]

​@@josephmatthews7698I mean the evidence is damning, his statements prove him as untruthful, though your conclusions show some light on the situation, all he needs to do is donate the money too though 😕

[@TerraWare]

Pro Jared should know better than anyone to not jump into conclusions. You'd think anyway

[@Yaksoup98]

Yeah but when there's so much evidence now.. Ain't looking good for jirard

[@MiasmaWolf13]

​@@Yaksoup98 Yeah. There was apparently "so much evidence" against him, ProJared, as well and yet he was able to clear his name.

[@WittyMick03]

what projared did was still gross and idk why people have let him off the hook for using his position of power to sext his fans, especially when the majority of his fanbase were children.

[@crimson-foxtwitch2581]

@@WittyMick03he was candid about it. his honesty about the situation was what earned him his reputation back at the time.

[@schnarfschnarf5886]

​@@crimson-foxtwitch2581Who respects him now?

[@kikuchi10]

Funny that those who accuse Muta and Karl of not doing due dilligence, are the ones who did not do any due dilligence.

[@mannyperez4010]

Yeah it's really ironic

[@AlexAnteroLammikko]

Ill be honest, most of them are on (formerly known as) Twitter and I think its mostly just kneejerk reactions, like usual on Twitter. It makes sense on an emotional level. Many people would have that if a "drama" channel covered their favorite creator or friend who they had no reason to believe was a bad guy, and briefly read over the headlines on the even and it just said stuff like "found documents on the internet about improperly disclosed paper work". Its easy enough to assume that this is some Keemstar guy. Obviously this is not the case, but fake cancellations and outrage are so prominent on the internet its easy to assume as much. Should people check up on this info after, sure. But if its just a tweet I don't really care too much. People making videos though, yeah, do better.

[@SpadeApeiron]

Damn at this point i'm inspired on how much Mutahar does due dilligence i found his channel very recently and every video he makes he's like me ( do full research or don't talk about it half-baked ) < - i miss people like this in my life.

[@koollio9724]

and thats ok, not everyone has the time to look into these things like a full time youtuber and even so they are still allowed to be skeptical and ask questions. whats the alternative? just blind compliance by every single person? wouldnt this whole situation never come up if everyone just takes people at their word that due diligence has been taken?

[@jrelyea828]

@@koollio9724a good resolution would be for people to simply keep their mouth shut unless they’ve done at least a morsel of research into the topic they’re going to publicly critique, no?

[@ALovelyLad]

Jirard was panicking in that call, dude was willing to donate more than half a million dollars to whatever org Muta suggested so quickly, which contradicts Jirard’s reasonings for withholding the money in the first place

[@JokerP5]

he wanted to safe face, the whole time he was concerned about "making a video to make him look like the bad guy"

[@namegoeshere1]

Seriously. He cared more about his image at that moment than anything else.

[@veldinsparx]

Also the fact that what he was worried about was "Looking like a scumbag" and "Being perceived as guilty" instead of "For years all of this money that I raised for a cause that is very personal to me because my mother died of dementia was wasted and that makes me upset since it could've helped so many people in that time" All he was worried about was not looking bad... not the fact that all of this money raised out of the goodness of his heart was literally wasted, all of that 'good' work did absolutely nothing but his main concern is not looking like more of a scumbag by immediately donating it... So instead he's just gonna continue sitting on the money so he doesn't look bad, instead of letting it help people :)

[@azureemarald5722]

@@namegoeshere1 Of course , he does not care about anyone but himself, considering how vehemently he supported frosks rant of g4tv is it really that surprising to learn that he only cares about himself, birds of a flock stick together .

[@tarasova_ua]

I'm curious if they actually have organizations that they could recommend. What did Jirard do in this case?...Probably still nothing xD

[@IMortalNemesisI]

Muta and Karl: *Goes into details, laws, checks government filings AND gets Jirard's side of the story, being completely objective* Twitter "people": "OMG how sad! they just want DRAMA!" How are these people so braindead they think charity fraud is just some "youtuber drama". Too lazy to even watch 10 damn minutes of a video yet still somehow think it's justified to form a complete opinion on the subject they know literally nothing about.

[@jadl3278]

Social media. IQ has been lowering for some time.

[@_Paul_N]

Social media makes the world dumber by the day along with television.

[@derkaiser1306]

its the age of 'everyones entitled to their opinion', which is the calling card of someone who has nothing to back up their opinion. and for some reason its become an excuse to never have to listen to reason or logic. sad stuff.

[@flamingdog9207]

Mfs be so terminally online everything is fucking "drama" to them, even possible crime.

[@maximmk6446]

A Leon Belmont profile picture eh, I see you're a man of culture as well

[@KryXOXO]

A lot of people trying to defend jirard lemme say something that’ll sink in, He had YEARS to donate this money not days, not weeks nor months he had YEARS to figure out who to donate too and yet he still hasn’t…

[@maydaymayday4225]

He has a DECADE, but decided to continue the charity even if the money isint even donated.

[@DresdenShuffle]

His fanboys and friends can’t be reasoned with, just ignore them.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

​​@@DresdenShuffle Cult members. He did so much damage to the reputation of donating to charity, just what he said he cared about his online look only

[@LoneKuroRaifu]

Let me ask you this. Why didn't he use the money? Anything spent was fir gaining it, but it was in storage the whole time.

[@plushquasar653]

It’s such BS he didn’t know the money was just sitting there too. He is a director, he is a fiduciary. They need to have board meetings and take meeting notes.

[@someguy8081]

It’s sad to see that so many people missed the point. The problem is not that the money is being held, the problem is that jirard isn’t telling everyone that it is. The problem is that jirard is telling people that the money is being donated to these organizations when they are actually just holding the money. The problem is that despite acknowledging that this is a problem, he still held indieland 2023 and told people that they were donating the money to these organizations. It’s also sad that people will immediately disregard anything as drama if it’s between two KZbinrs, and if the KZbinr being called in to question is popular, they immediately assume that it’s just to gain fame.

[@phaolo6]

All true, but it's also a problem that the money left there for a decade will have lost like 1\4 of its value. By doing nothing, they already wasted a part of the donations.

[@DinahAO]

agreed. it's a shame that he had to make another video where 90% of it was just saying his initial point again. i don't understand how, if someone watched the original video, they couldn't understand mutahar's point. i thought it was pretty obvious haha

[@djpegao]

Plus Jirad or anyone being radio silent also makes the whole thing seem even more scummy

[@PBMS123]

​@@phaolo6It would have been earning interest in the bank account.

[@Wodferd]

@@PBMS123 i think they might have meant the economic value of that amount of money. $600,000 10 years ago would have gone a lot farther than it does today. $600,000 USD in 2013 is just shy of $800,000 today with inflation (792,000). So a fair amount of potential value. Obviously all of the money wasn't there at once right from the start in a lump sum, but letting it just sit there isn't doing it a lot of favours in the long run.

[@Lazyboijere]

The whole “KZbin Drama” defense is insane cope mechanism. This IS a case of Fraud even if the money is still in the bank because of what Jirard said they have been doing with it for years. Appreciate you and Karl bringing attention to this.

[@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail]

accusing muta and karl of using this for drama is an attempt to deflect blame away from himself.

[@jervistetchMadHater]

If you think about it "Tax evasion" is just a form of YT drama

[@jodajoda2863]

​@@jervistetchMadHater "Your honor, you don't understand. The prosecutor is trying to stir up KZbin drama."

[@eyecontactleadsto]

Jesus if this isn’t a case of ‘shoot the messenger’ I don’t know what is. Also pretty eyebrow-raising for the reason to be ‘we want it to go to somewhere that matters’ to immediately ‘just tell me where to donate it, I’ll do it today!!’ like where’s all that conviction gone?

[@jetmcgee4218]

Right? He straight up refuses to donate for a decade and is ready the day people find out. That's some very convenient conviction

[@megasora4]

@@jetmcgee4218 he also points out that he's aware donating it quickly will spur on the thoughts of "he's only doing it because he was caught." so its very weird for him to pull out that strawman (? not sure if i used the right word) after admitting that.

[@Pundae]

More shifting responsibility away from himself, which actually somewhat worked. Some people said "well yeah if you want him to donate it why don't you tell him where it should go", which is... not at all the point

[@EighmyLupin]

The fact people are more mad that you guys looked into this scam than the scam itself is so bizarre.

[@llamabot9889]

They're in the comments defending their video game God

[@gfdgf599]

Gamers..am I right😃?

[@Lanewreck]

This is the take people should be having fr fr

[@mgdf44]

Because they get a profit from the scam.

[@Lesdrasill]

Because they might be doing the same scam or involved. Defense mechanism at it's finest

[@aaronnewman6216]

The blame is on Mutahar for not adding a Subway Surfer run on the bottom part of the his video. Should've done due diligence on Jirard's fanbase.

[@americankid7782]

You gotta have Subway-surfers on the bottom, Minecraft Parkour on the top, and whatever song TikTok likes at the moment playing it the background.

[@zap7759]

On a different note, every time I hear "Projared", I want a $5 footlong 😮

[@maklame3318]

@@zap7759 hopefully you dont want any mini subs

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

​@@maklame3318Dont worry MiniLadd has those covered.

[@KurtAnglesPerc]

@@americankid7782and some ai generated subtitle generator that gets every 5th word wrong

[@trevorsherrie]

It’s so wild to me that people are seriously upset with you guys, while acknowledging that they didn’t watch your videos in their entirety

[@Introversion399]

"People"? You mean ProJared?

[@tbnwontpop8857]

@@Introversion399 I'm sure it's more than just Projared, just based on the multiple reactions from people that were demanding to know why they didn't just ask Jirard about his side of the story.

[@superalatreon1]

​@@Introversion399uh, no, not just ProJared. Muta specifically mentions at least one other tweet / account who was criticizing them while stating they didn't watch the videos, and it's not even a stretch to assume that there were others besides that who were upset at the story and defending Jirard without even looking at the evidence. Hence, "people".

[@TranquilVision]

Welcome to The Internet.

[@linhza501]

@@Introversion399 so you also did not watch this video as well? How ironic

[@brosevideogames7908]

“You might remember ProJared from several years ago” is like the most subtle yet brutal insult I’ve ever heard. Like it just assumes there’s no way you’ve seen any of his content since then.

[@JulianchoNemoga90]

Which, at least on my case its true, I dont want to sound like an a**hole but I didnt remember him.

[@brendanrisney2449]

Well, he's right

[@marzipancutter8144]

I don't know if the debacle destroyed his content algorithm-wise or if he just fell off, but it's probably true that statistically, most people watching this aren't gonna have interacted with him since.

[@scarlett8782]

I mean.... did he lie though? lol

[@asteroidrules]

And highlights the irony of his statement, Jared's career took a massive hit because of people repeating false allegations without knowing what they were talking about, and then he felt the need to do the same thing.

[@VirtuaBun]

Naming specific charities and saying you've 'worked' with them (implying that theyve previously made a donation) and not actually donating is insane.

[@_Mamimi]

Anyone can make a phone call lol. I “work” with the dmv and my doctor this last week 😂

[@mefikFS]

They can go Amber Turd mode and "pledge"

[@thedangerwich5476]

@@mefikFS🤨?

[@Hevach]

It's also fraud prima fascia*, and charities have been shut down for it. *-"on its face" meaning if this happens the court automatically presumes it is fraud unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary.

[@madsmatras5691]

@@thedangerwich5476 amber Amber Heard pledge to help donate 3.5 million but in the end only 1.2 million was donated

[@Final.Family]

Considering this organization was supposedly founded "In Memory of" their mother, it's really sad that when on their opening webpage, they couldn't even be bothered to remember whether her name was spelled KARREN, or KAAREN. A charity for dementia, in memory of their mother ... who's very name they apparently forgot to give proper diligence to.

[@addressingstars]

The jokes write themselves...

[@charmandergamer1287]

You can’t be serious

[@dimitriwarchief301]

That’s just

[@Final.Family]

@@charmandergamer1287 i really wish it was a joke. (If anyone wishes to check themselves, just google "kaaren" "karren" and look at the description blurb that shows when Open Hand appears at the top of the search results.) The absolute irony of it is so depressing.

[@Aliyah_666]

​@@dimitriwarchief301Sad, disheartening, infuriating, lazy, pathetic...I could go on.

[@coreydillon4330]

His rabid fanbase actively dismissing the concerns is just as disgusting imo

[@dampking]

Just little kids Edit: I mean those defending him not in general and It doesn’t matter anyway

[@Jsipki265]

@@dampking Yeah 30-40 year old little kids😭

[@ezlomacks6533]

yeah, I grew up loving jirards content, all the way back on screwattack, it just sucks now

[@lens_hunter]

I've been a huge fan of his channel since like Episode 20. I was rooting for this all to be a misunderstanding but it's not. It's a huge bummer.

[@HoLeeFuk317]

I wouldn't call that disgusting, I'd call it intentional ignorance.

[@Kayhotech]

Im kinda disappointed in ProJared that he didn't even do any of his own research into this before calling it horseshit, defending a friend or not

[@enthiegavoir5955]

"They didn't do due diligence!" Doesn't bother watching the video

[@WokioWolfy]

I feel like ProJared instead read news articles that called SOG and Karl Jobst for accusing Jirard of money laundering or something and immediately responded with this. When will people learn to stop reading what news outlets for gaming has to say? They just promoting machines and clout chasers.

[@decas5505]

The irony...

[@Sir0fficerNasty]

He threw Jontron under the bus too. He's a worm.

[@GrayD_Fox]

That was the more disappointing thing because I almost did that when he showed his receipts but I still watched and was convinced he was innocent

[@Kiri68419]

ProJared not watching the video at all is some insane level of Irony I wasn't expecting to see today

[@sniperfi4532]

Was so quick to the draw that he shot himself in the foot.

[@knightsurda]

@@sniperfi4532 Like he shot his relationship in the back

[@magicalcapi9148]

I'm happy for the 180o (maybe 150o, or 125o?) ProJared made, his line when he came back, "NOBODY asked how I was when it all happened" still hunts me to this day. It was absolute brutal, weirdly, the reaction now is nothing compared to. So sad his reaction now, I expected more.

[@PanoptesDreams]

Didn't know he was still a thing.

[@MacenW]

​@@PanoptesDreamshe has 2 channels, projared and now in the 90s. I actually like the latter

[@atkingofhearts]

"Jirard can't have done a bad thing! He's a good guy!" Apparently we're back in 2008 where we don't believe our favorite celebrities do bad things.

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

It wouldnt be an issue if Jirard said. "Give us your money so we could put it in a box for decades" So saying it is for anything else, is in fact, fraud

[@Usagi393]

1.) I don’t understand holding a charity fundraiser without having the charity identified 2.) Why does it take 10 years to identify said charity

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Him and his family are thieves maybe? I dunno just a guess.

[@user-yl7kl7sl1g]

Because they had to make up a lie. They've been conning people out of their money for ten years. The money is probably gone.

[@nicknevco215]

think it is real just not working

[@PaulieMcCoy]

"We work with USCF, the Alzheimer's Alliance, the Clan of the Closing Fist... also Jobst & Mutahar, do you know anyone who would be worthy of receiving the money? We don't know anyone who meets our stringent criteria!" THEN WHY USE THE NAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!

[@SamsarasArt]

Because it's a scam.

[@Blexmer1]

Something I've not seen mentioned about the interview with jirard. It's pretty easily heard that there's someone off screen giving answers. The few hours of prep was probably getting notes down and the like of getting their story straight, and the time of when he found out might have been amended after realizing that wasn't the narrative they wanted to push.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Yeah, sounds like he's on speakerphone or just that someone is close saying things in the background. That much is clear. Your comment needs more upvotes for visibility's sake!

[@skepticmisfit2]

He cooked

[@tabor9745]

When I heard that, I thought it was just an echo but now that you mention it you're totally right!

[@ultraparanoia]

He unlocked the "Fraud" achievement... truly a completionist.

[@amarg7657]

😂😂😂

[@qennen]

😂😂😂😂

[@nistraan]

XD

[@user-yl7kl7sl1g]

Soon he will unlock the "Jail" achievement.

[@markhirsch6301]

​@@user-yl7kl7sl1ga buff cat is gonna break down his door soon

[@gray4robot]

This kinda feels like a, "But he's a good guy" situation. Just because someone is looked on as a good person doesn't mean they can't make up for it when they lie and or screw up.

[@Flashguy4826]

Doesn't necessarily mean they _are_ a good person, either.

[@insanemindset2667]

Some criminals even DEPEND on that defense so that even the most definite proof of wrongdoing is called into question. Abusers in particular WANT the defenders to say “He can’t be the bad guy. He’s been a good guy to us” despite the fact that we have proof of the crime being done. It might even count as a form of emotional manipulation because it depends on defender ignoring logical evidence in favor of positive emotional association to the criminal.

[@Flashguy4826]

@@insanemindset2667 Exactly.

[@TheSlaughtercultden]

Especially when its this big of a fuck up. Its a fuck up that brings the moral character of the person into question by how low of a thing to do this is. What else is he lying about? Is there actually money there or has it all gone to his family?

[@OsaculnenolajO]

Not even. Everyone is capable of doing shitty things, but not everyone lies to people to steal their charity money. Thats something else.

[@mursejoyy]

This isn't youtube drama, its investigative journalism at its finest.

[@elio7610]

Yeah, this is way more serious than just "drama".

[@Sbrick521]

It can be both at the same time and it most definitely is.

[@Lakeside_Flower]

The way they did research, collected actual evidence, and gave him time to respond before publication are all the staples of ethical investigative journalism. This is what professionalism looks like.

[@Kanbei11]

That's the idea, calling it drama aims to discredit the person and by extension their points.

[@biz0unc3]

Yeah, but journos bad.

[@selinesbeau]

What i get stuck on is the repeated implication that they had already been actively working with various organizations while sitting on the money.

[@tmtmtlsml]

Those statements in particular will look pretty damning if fraud charges end up hitting. It is tough to reconcile those statements with his admission that he already knew none of the money had been donated

[@sarads7877]

Yeah, like he could’ve literally just been honest about it. Like if all there is to them not donating the money, is that with a “small” donation you can’t avoid it going to the CEO’s pockets/administration expenses etc, they could’ve simply explained it to the audience during the events. “our goal is to reach 1 million dollars, that way we can make sure all the money we donate are going towards dementia research, right now we are at 500.000$, i hope in a couple of years we’ll be able to finally do something great with this money, we already know who we would like to back up” Like i’m sure a lot of people would’ve still donated

[@user-yl7kl7sl1g]

Lmao you believe they have the money. It's more than likely been spent on a lavish lifestyle. It's funny how people continue to believe liars. You probably still believe the sob story about his mom dying don't you?

[@leon4000]

​@@user-yl7kl7sl1gThat kind of confidence you've got can go straight into overconfidence. Still, it's not the first time something does get revealed that shows malicious motives and it doesn't help that some content creators jump into things without a plan or intentionally intend to steal from others. The silence from Jirard to most people already feels daunting enough to assume the worst has happened. But we aren't detectives, and can be wrong. This is why I still attempt to get all the details necessary before I judge. I just vex the idea that people assume and judge quickly what's happened based on previous stuff that happened before to points of arrogance.

[@ram89572]

@@user-yl7kl7sl1g Right now there is no reason to disbelieve that his mom died from what he has said. In fact that story, whether truth or lie, has absolutely no bearing on the issue at hand - is the money that was donated still sitting there? And why has it not been properly donated as was the public expectation throughout all of the fundraising? Sure it is possible that the money has been embezzled and used for personal expenses, but if that is the case then it won't be that hard to bring it to light with a criminal investigation. We live in an era where every dollar you collect and spend can be traced electronically. If they did misappropriate the money for personal use then it will come to light because that shit is going to be hard to hide. You might be able to cover up a bit of fraud, but that much fraud will show with even a cursory audit.

[@Aaron-zu3xn]

they literally said "this is who we donated your money to" in videos for YEARS it's too late to say "we wanted to make sure the right person got the money" they've spent it

[@Grewyn7]

This. It is still defrauding donors to claim their money is going somewhere it isn't.

[@SleepyRainTrain]

Exactly. The whole “we don’t want a CEO to get this money” bs argument people are making on his behalf makes no sense when the man himself is saying that this money should of been donated by now and would of if he was paying more attention

[@galacticpepsi]

​@@SleepyRainTraineven if a portion goes to the CEO, like who cares??? The rest of the money is still going to a good cause that it was supposed to benefit. Its still a positive.

[@Aaron-zu3xn]

they spent it in a smart way they took out loans against whats there so it can't be withdrawn the bank holds it until the loan is paid in full

[@maineman5757]

​@@Aaron-zu3xnIs that legal?

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

To those who are saying that people are more upset at Muta and Karl for exposing this than the charity itself: 38k likes on the video vs 631 dislikes at the time of this comment tells me that these people are just a loud, idiotic minority. Kudos to true investigative journalism, you do us all a great service.

[@notorio526]

You can't see the real number of dislikes

[@SupernovaeTech]

​@@notorio526true, but Muda's channel is going to have a more accurate RYD statistic than most other channels due to viewers who are more likely to care about additional statistics. Then again that viewer bias could lead to an underestimation of dislikes as I imagine those with RYD are less likely to dislike actual investigative journalism than random Twitter commenter types who can't be bothered to watch more than 1 second.

[@SilentButDudley]

If he did end up spending the money it’s an absolute travesty and complete disrespect towards his mother and the entire reason why he started the charity. Disgusting.

[@jimmyelkordy3752]

at this point I wouldn't be shocked if his mom was alive and well

[@momzwrite]

Also fraud, it would be charity fraud

[@television9233]

"Disgusting"... if true. But that's pure speculation at this point.

[@DresdenShuffle]

@@television9233wouldn’t be speculation if he would actually respond instead of going silent for a week. Really makes him look above board

[@mikeso2084]

It's fraud!

[@Nebuchadin]

Baffling how people say this is "drama". Dude, this is crime.

[@robertnapier624]

It’s beyond drama. When something becomes crime there is no drama.

[@CommanderRiker0]

For reference I've never heard of this "completionist" person. I don't think there is a crime here, the funds are still there and the money spent internally is not even close to embezzlement territory. However, its a huge red flag for future potential criminality. If nobody noticed it for X years then the intention may have been to steal it. That's the problem here though, the money is supposedly still in trust with the organization.

[@MrAweeze]

Crime can be pretty dramatic.

[@Buttersaemmel]

i just had to imagine the judge sitting down in the courtroom and be like "whaaaaat is up drama alert nation? i'm your host killer judge!".

[@Doglover745]

​​@@CommanderRiker0I don't think embezzlement was the accusation but charity fraud.

[@statesminds]

The fact that his mom passed away and suffered from dementia and he said they made this charity bc of that and then them not donating any money is beyond disgusting

[@iriswav7379]

He just "forgot" to give the money to the charity

[@diegomedina9637]

I don't know... I find the fact of making a charity to something like dementia only because someone close to you suffered from it is kinda scummy to begin with. Like wow way to trying to make this charity about you.

[@giffica]

Fitting though, no?

[@KvngLeroy1]

​@@diegomedina9637bro what?

[@mobaby1979]

@@KvngLeroy1i kinda get what they mean. In this case especially, I think we may be dealing with a special brand of narcissist (Jirard) 😮

[@Mcdigits]

It's funny how often people will ignore facts when a situation is about someone they like but we're lucky to have people like Muta, Karl and Coffee who are always willing to stick their necks out there to do what's right and hold people accountable.

[@five12man]

Fuck yes

[@leon4000]

Given the era we live in the kids that are poorly raised by parents that don't teach important values and lessons, it's not surprising people would defend something without trying to research, because they don't want to be the next kid to say, "say it isn't so." People who enjoyed Jirard's video likes him so much, that he became some example of a person they strive to be. And you can't expect all of them to be quick on critical thinking as you. I should know, I was a kid once.

[@kneau]

@Mcdigits You made me laugh! That level of confidently incorrect/passionately wrong is _incredible!_ I just hope you & the many, many others under the same verifiable misconception can laugh about it.

[@kneau]

@@leon4000 the research is _substantially_ incomplete in ways which makes it a laughable effort & waste of time. Laughable because to reach their conclusions, Open Hand Foundation would have to be based outside of California & above the $1M threshold. Open Hand Foundation is based in California & well below that audit threshold. Until Muta or Karl clearly indicate the CAGGTC was part of their research for this specific "investigation" -- I'm struggling to believe they even know it exists. They are so wrong, yet it's seemingly all because - to them - the California Attorney General's Guide to Charities is an unknown, unknown. Also: I'm open to there being a real problem with Girard holding funds. So far as I can tell, the sum total is less than $750,000 -- meaning there's no crime or moral failing. Who knows. This is peak Ad Sense season. We may find out in a month or two that this was a collaboration to teach people how to evaluate unrated charities before making a donation; media literacy is a skill, after all.

[@Mcdigits]

​@@kneau That's Wonderful! Please feel free to enlighten all of us on the many ways we lack understanding of this points. I'm always a fan of a good chuckle.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Why does he invoke UCSF and other names of organizations if the charity itself has never donated to them? That's one of the weird parts..

[@ghiffaribara2949]

This, it is weird. He said it himself that he doesn't find any that satisfied him to donate to but he keep repeating other Orgs as if he already working with them

[@bregowine]

Based on the email response, sounds like they did a donation at one point to one of the organizations, years ago, and they’ve used it as an excuse to say “we work with them” - even though no funds from the recent fundraisers were being disbursed. Lying by omission sort of thing

[@roslolian11]

​@@bregowineThe donation was personal (likely the mom) and done before the foundation as established. Open hand itself has never donated anything.

[@anderskronquist9750]

My theory is that he personally (or by the charity, but that should have shown up in the filings) donated something to them. This would allow him to skate by on a technicality "well I donated 25$ way back when my mom got sick" or whatnot. I dearly hope that the issue is simply that the family couldn't agree which charity to donate to, and Jirard just went "welp, I'mma peace out and keep plugging away, you lot decide what to do with it." As time passes without any statements, though, the suspicion starts to grow that maybe someone did embezzle the money. Maybe taking a small amount to start with, to compensate them for the work they did for the charity. Then they used it for a trip, which might even be related - "hey, we're visiting X and checking in on charity Y, that makes it OK to have the charity pay for it right?" Then the brakes come off, the spending snowballs and now they can't pay back what they've taken. Jirard finds out (hopefully after the videos turn up the heat on him to check in on the foundation), but doesn't want to throw a family member under the bus on social media and definitely doesn't want the justice system involved because it might mean jail time and/or the person(s) in question losing their jobs. That's the story that my brain came up with to explain why Jirard hasn't explained it, and has tried to deflect without being directly at fault for the money not being donated to some charity. Now, could he have been embezzling himself? Sure, that's possible, although I think it's unlikely. Had he wanted to grab it, there are ways - make another company/foundation, preferably in another country, donate the money from Open Hand to the second one because "finally we found someone worth working with", have the second company donate the money to Jirard and then either just hang around, doing nothing or shutting it down. TL;DR: I think there's an issue with some of the family blocking donations, perhaps because they do want the money to go to the specific condition that the mother had, or because they've embezzled it. I think Jirard knew or suspected this was the case, but didn't know for sure until a certain point in time (maybe late 2022, maybe just now). I think Jirard doesn't want to make public what happened, either because it looks bad, or because it will have really bad consequences for someone in his family.

[@Arcademan09]

It's still *EXTREMELY WEIRD* He hasn't said anything yet, im willing to bet a lawyer flipped out and told him to go dark until they have everything in order

[@LilacMonarch]

yeah that's my bet, lawyer told jirard not to go on a call but he did anyway and now the situation is a lot more difficult for them

[@MC-9]

Not very weird then, is it?

[@Yousef77077]

@@MC-9yea

[@Cujo5]

I disagree. A coward wouldn't make a comment, period. Not until it became a thing that he couldn't run from. Then he'd have to do something.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Well, Mutahar and Karl's vids were tried to be taken down remember? Jirard's side knew this would be go messy

[@worldoffood123]

This whole situation is so depressing. Jirard was well liked by basically everyone, and for him to be doing charity fraud behind the name of his dead mother. That's just disgusting dude

[@n0odles86]

I didn't know he existed 'til I saw Karl's vid.

[@kiratherenegade1561]

If the IRS takes notice of this, Jirard is likely finished. I'm willing to bet the Nintendo eshop stuff where he spent like 22K was taken directly from this account. It's just a large enough amount that I doubt he had it lying around anywhere else. Cause he's been aware of it since 2022. The eshop video is from the beginning of 2023. The thought process was likely that Jirard would just top it back up over time & pretend it was never spent. That's still fraud but I can see the 'mean no harm' idea. But I doubt he's topped it back up yet. Basically, they caught him in time. If he didn't record that in his tax filings, that's fraud & he will be charged. An audit looms over him. I don't think you understand how seriously the IRS takes this stuff. It's their job to make sure the government ain't being lied to. And they're often good at it.

[@CubicIronPyrite]

And charities funds aren't your personal 0% interest source of funds. And if he did take money from the account, this will completely negate any claims that he was unaware the money was sitting there. If his brother was the charity account manager, what do they talk about over dinner? "Man, I sure miss Mom, dementia is a bad thing, and it would be good if we could do something to prevent it from happening to anyone else, if only we could...say, have you completed all the achievements in Baldur's Gate 3 yet?"

[@Lrcombs]

You can always rely on 2 things. 1. When the government owes you money, they don't give a shit. 2. When you owe the government money, the government WILL get their pound of flesh.

[@kiratherenegade1561]

@@Lrcombs And if it means breaking a few laws to get there, they don't mind.

[@robertnapier624]

@@Lrcombs not even the Joker will dare to take on the IRS.

[@NRE56]

Man, they really do need to do more dementia research- that’s a lot of money to just forget about lol

[@TroubledOnePaydirt]

I see what ya did there. Well played sir. Well played. 🤔😂😂😂

[@pandamonium9255]

🤣🤣🤣 you win comments section

[@river559]

Dude really was collecting money like an idle game he forgot to open several years later

[@NexTJesS]

According to the 7.5+2 years accountant that is tiny amount of money that can do jacksh*t.

[@NRE56]

@@river559 playin that shit like cookie clicker

[@JohnTheodore]

The biggest issue for me isn't the $650k sitting in the bank. The biggest issue is the 10s of thousands that they have spent on "administrative costs" while claiming that 100% of the money raised goes to charity and holding that hostage because they can't find a charity that will guarantee none of that money will go to administrative costs. How much does that money add up to? What percentage of their money is going to "administrative costs"? It looked like at least 10%

[@TheRedOGRE]

In the other video muda goes Over it. Throughout all their years of tax fillings (around 10 years) the administrative costs add up to over 100k.

[@jadl3278]

Yea over 100k and the costs kept changing every year. The filings were vague.

[@watertrooper]

You would be shocked. Some charities you donate to have an administrative fee of over 90%.

[@JohnTheodore]

@watertrooper yes, I know. Again, the problem is Jirard was claiming both that 100% of donations went to charity (except they weren't because some of the donations went to administrative fees) and blamed the money not being donated yet because they couldn't get a guarantee that 100% would go to research.

[@asimplewizard]

​@@watertrooperno but that legit makes it more suspicious lol.

[@lunoadji]

Imagine being one of his "partners" and hear him saying he doesn't trust them to use the money correctly...

[@Dre2Dee2]

Can you blame him for not trust charities? His is a scam, theirs might be too!!!

[@daniilbelenkii6534]

@@Dre2Dee2so he lies to people, almost claiming all donated money to himself and that makes him still ‘good guy’ for not believing charities? And then listing their names in one of podcasts? WTF?

[@adora_was_taken]

@@daniilbelenkii6534 i think you missed the joke

[@Razor-Lined]

Regardless of whether the money is gone or not the biggest issue i have is this. Jirard knew last year they werent happy with the charities they had looked at. Then on streams he starts rhyming off these charities to motivate donations knowing full well the money isnt going to them. Thats the part for me that isnt right. You dont get to use those names to get people to donate knowing the money isnt going there. All while saying its going there

[@gyrthez246]

This, this, this. So many people didn't pick up on this either. I think Muta tried to underline it better in this video but he didn't really hit the mark very well and should have just directly pointed this out. Also, how can he say or imply that he's any kind of benefactor when he knew at this time that the money hadn't even remotely benefitted any of these organizations he namedropped?

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

That's literally charity fraud. And even if he wanted to donate to a proper cause, he is now forced by his own statements to donate to the organizations he mentioned if he doesn't want to fall in the definition of charity fraud

[@Retro_Rainer]

I have one question now: do the mentioned organizations have any ground foe legal actions, since they've been mentioned time and time again, but haven't received any money?

[@gyrthez246]

@@Retro_Rainer Yea probably. It's likely considered fraud if you think about it; you've been accepting money from people under the guise of fundraising with these organizations that you haven't donated a cent of that fundraised amount to. All those organizations would need to prove in civil court is that people donated under the belief or due to being told that the money donated (or a portion of it) was to go to their organization. The people who donated could also take it to civil court for the same reason and they would probably see more success in doing this than banking on one of these organizations taking them to court. Considering the scale it looks to have gone to you could possibly be looking at a class action lawsuit if donators decide to go through with this course of action as well since many people were affected.

[@sigma6840]

Could be he's scared to come out and say they haven't found anyone and the donations stop. Could be the money's gone and he wants more money. Could be a lot of things. It'll come out eventually what's going on.

[@TheMisanthropist69]

Yet another example of a fanbase unwilling to accept that their idol isn't some untainted saint just because they've developed a parasocial relationship with them. Jirard is a normal human capable of doing shady things. He's not special just because you watch all of his videos and "he seems like a good guy."

[@CubicIronPyrite]

He's just some schmoe KZbinr, what makes people think Jirard is providing any value to moving money to where it needs to go?

[@maklame3318]

@@CubicIronPyrite what ?

[@TheJolle]

The worst part to me is, (if there is something legally shady going on here) they're doing this using the name of his dead mother.

[@oz_jones]

Her name is already tarnished even if this is just a fuckup and not malicious.

[@boingodoingo1930]

You don't understand, his mother's dying wish was for them to use her name and story to pad the family bank accounts through BS charity salaries.

[@erik_arman]

One of the most disgusting things about this whole ordeal is how Jirard has tainted the memory and legacy of his mother.

[@Aliyah_666]

That is tragic, almost as if he made her death have no meaning.

[@jeresenjaer7538]

It just show that they don't care about their mother. They probably thought they were entitled to some financial compensation for taking care of their sick parent.😢

[@elif6908]

They used his mother as a bait almost, a bit nauseating honestly

[@DadGamer9000]

It’s pretty tough to look at Jirard the same way after this. It just sucks ass that, even if his heart is in the right place, he clearly doesn’t understand that he’s just taking money. He straight up said he doesn’t see it that way on the phone call. Huge bummer. Hopefully the money gets to where it needs to go, but this information combined w Jirard constantly saying money is tight for the Completionist channel does NOT look good

[@MistressDiz]

i was just thinking that while watching this....even giving him a complete benefit of a doubt and he SOMEHOW got everything cleared up (I highly doubt this will happen, this is all so messed up), there is NO WAY that Indieland can continue after this. Imagine starting a charity, in your mother's name to help cure the disease that killed her and messing it up so badly that no one will ever trust./donate again ...

[@heyim-jay]

What kind of irks me about this situation is that Mutahar is being perceived by some people as a snitch or a bad guy in this, when this is simply holding people accountable. I don't think The Complesionist is a bad person, but I do think he's not being entirely honest about everything and is trying to play catchup, BADLY at that. Content creators should always be looked at with a grain of salt as we only see them at their best which is purposeful. Like with anything, whether it be this or politicians, you have to look at the grand picture and who is touching this money. It's almost never as black and white as it sounds, so I commend Mutahar for at least bringing light to the situation.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

The people who think Muta or Jobst as "snitches" or "bad guys" are dolts. Jobst does investigative journalist style work as a living, no? Muta dabbles with it as he sees fit... I'm not sure how doing your freelance career using your skills is "creating drama" but people will defend the veneer of things they love or try to cover for friends, I suppose. Just assume most people online, especially Twitter are dolts and don't take it seriously and you'll be fine as rain.

[@CubicIronPyrite]

People are upset because they're being confronted with uncomfortable truth, and they'd rather be curling up with their controller in the corner. Taking money from people - BEGGING money from people - over the course of 10 years without making sure that money made its way to worthy causes, makes you a bad person. Imagine if his mom was still alive, and what she'd say to him?

[@heyim-jay]

@@CubicIronPyrite My mother would be incredibly disappointed in me for it. Couldn't imagine using her name in vein and not doing the right thing. He's got some serious reflection and atonement to do for all of this.

[@CubicIronPyrite]

@@heyim-jay "Jirard, honey, I give my disappointment in you a...10/10."

[@bogmanosaka472]

Mutahar and Carl did a good job on this one, but i disagree with the ethical concern being the reason they created a video for it, by the time you post something on your channel and you get money on it you literally did it for content, this problem can be solved discreetly but they chose to blow it out in the open, i am fine with the youtube police that we had but please dont tell us your doing it for another reason and saying its not for content.

[@LewdestLiz]

I am amazed how Jared butt into something and then created one of the worst takes yet.

[@nihili4196]

He probably saw one of the few people who stood by him getting flamed, got emotional and wrote first thing that came to his mind. It was a bad take, but I doubt it came with any kind of malice, just lack of thought. It's still pretty laughable take regardless

[@lupolinar]

Him sucking up to Jirard, when Jirard threw him under the bus, whe he had problems of his own..

[@xFluing]

@@nihili4196 Add to that the fact he's gone through those allegations bullshit which is enough to scar a man for life. A bad take indeed but as you said not from any kind of malice but from the still open wound of his trauma

[@Zenforso]

Especially knowing how he got into trouble because of people who made worst kind of accusations he is doing right now. That a level of irony and inability to learn from own worst experiences I didn't expect from him.

[@Flapjack3734]

Ikr, unfortunately he did what a lot of people do on twitter: get outraged over a headline but not even bother to do 10 minutes of research into what you’re actually mad about.

[@TheWorstGuysCheezy]

The cringe “poor-me” attitude he had while on the call with y’all is gonna stay with me

[@vanyadolly]

That's the most troubling thing about this so far. We don't know all the facts yet, but why is he acting so defensive?

[@deltalord6969]

Ironic, he could complete any game he put his mind to yet he couldnt complete the task of being a decent human being

[@AttemptedVoices]

Ouch… even I felt that.

[@TheFruitingChamber]

He thinks people will forget it’s only been a decade since the money was given lol

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

ooof

[@WayStedYou]

no money has been given @@TheFruitingChamber

[@panamahank7108]

​@@WayStedYouhe means since the money was given to the thief.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

It genuinely angers me that people don't do any research before talking about a topic. Worse when they accuse *others* of not doing their due diligence or try to besmirch their character. It legit feels like the people going out of their way to get involved to attack you and Karl are reacting purely with their emotions and nothing else. "I like Jirard, they must be awful people" is the beginning and end of it to these people.

[@jesusalonso2179]

Facts 🔥💯

[@DasAntiNaziBroetchen]

¡Bienvenido al internet!

[@nick0875]

Welcome to the culture we live in.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

I think its people who are invested into something to much to the point where criticism on that thing be it a game/show/person are taken as personnel attacks

[@andersonadrian69]

What a time to be alive. Streamers like Hasan getting put on blast for no research Muta gets criticism for DOING the research. We live in a society with this people lol

[@dadsback69]

this people

[@five12man]

​@@dadsback69he's right

[@trophy435]

the cali effect

[@robwoodring9437]

AND......their vote counts just as much as yours does. Ain't it all just so grand?

[@TheVenhammer]

People thought that Hasan did research?

[@undyne1]

I find it wild that people are mad that this is being looked into, and that a handful of people, including Projared, didn't bother to actually watch the full video where Jirard was reached out to. This is low-key funny.

[@undeadMonk]

The funniest part is that Jared didn't even _need_ to watch the full video - the call with Jirard is mentioned and actually shown 10-15 minutes in.

[@MrFrussel]

It tells you a lot about how a majority of people work. Most of them just go with their feelings, if they want to admit or not, and if they're lucky they might come to their senses after some time has passed. Unfortunately, a large part will just stick their heels in the sand, and rationalize their initial decision as they don't want to come across as inconsistent.

[@ryanmahrenholz3944]

Tbf nobody should be paying attention to ProJareds opinion anyway

[@geoffdb8118]

High key funny tbh ong fr

[@undeadMonk]

@@geoffdb8118 no 🧢

[@tipperdipper1149]

I don't get why it's a bad thing to snoop when you're curious about something. It's public information for a reason

[@kanaria-cu3uv]

amazing how people can't tell the difference between illegal fraud and internet drama.

[@goosewithagibus]

Terminally online behavior

[@Synthwave89]

A lot of them know the difference but they are dishonest sociopaths and only care about their parasocial relationship with their content creator and not about doing the right thing.

[@robertnapier624]

@@goosewithagibus we need a dedicated month or two to challenge people to take as long a break from the internet. Or even a tv show where people try to learn to live without internet.

[@selunescorpio]

Muta’s intentions clearly aren’t to maliciously spite Jirard. It’s an unfortunate situation, but making sure the money gets to the people it’s supposed to get to is the most integral point of the entire thing Hoping everything is resolved because this is upsetting even to watch unfold

[@mediumvillain]

Its increasingly upsetting that they arent just doing what needs to be done here. In the meantime the Open Hand Foundation has tried & failed to get Karl Jobst's video taken down.

[@e1iteyoshi998]

@@mediumvillain Shocking that youtube actually did something good for once.

[@Margen67]

Piplup needs HUGS

[@theawesomeali8834]

yep I agree, this is so unfortunate. I’ve loved his content too and it just sucks that situation is happening. I’m disappointed. I hope Jirard fixes this.

[@insidiousX]

@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S I mean on the same token you'd have to be very naive to think that jirard wouldn't have tried to sweep this under the rug and make himself look like the hero, instead since it was aired out, where he is getting rightfully called out. Not everything is for internet clout bud sometimes people are just trying to do the right thing.

[@nitro8611]

I strongly suspect that there hasn't been an official statement because Jirard and the Open Hand Foundation are consulting with a lawyer. Which for the record is absolutely the wise thing to do considering the situation. Even so, letting this fester all week has been horrific PR and I say that as a longtime subscriber of Jirard's.

[@mdb45424]

I assume a family member dipped into the funds as a loan and it would look bad to do a partial donation.

[@neckio]

"Tax fillings are public you idiot!" lol loved this line!

[@dyne313]

I wonder if, behind the scenes, somebody is desperate to find $655,000.

[@kaylemain2006]

We can't say for sure of course, but to me all the signs point to not only charity fraud, but also tax fraud. I don't think the money was there. Did Jirard stole it? maybe. But it could be that his family has been dipping into that fund for all these years. To me it just made sense that Jirard would've shown the bank statements during that call to clear everything up, especially since he obviously hadn't talked to any lawyers yet at that point (because a lawyer would tell you to STFU the very first second they hear about the issue)

[@Dasaltwarrior]

Thats what I'm thinking. Jirard's always branched out into other projects, and I'm afraid thats where he got the funds from

[@user-yl7kl7sl1g]

They money is probably gone. They'll keep making up lies unless the police get involved.

[@newmethados5817]

For the people saying 'he's trying to cancel him over drama' I'll use a XQC quote YOU'RE NOT BEING CANCELED, YOU BROKE THE LAW! YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL!

[@charmandergamer1287]

Rare XQC W

[@SonnenkindSA]

Didn't think I'd agree with xqc today, but here we are.

[@Ravathiel]

this fucking hurts my heart dude. you can't can't have any positive feelings towards any of these people. I followed him since he only had 232 Subs - I REMEMBER that those old days. I remember donating $100 , my first time ever donating, cause at that time- at least only on Twitch, did he EVER speak about his Mother. he mentioned the last game he'd ever do for the Channel would be Donkey Kong Country 2, because his Mother got him that game when things went from bad to worse. something struck a nerve there. maybe cause he wasn't as open about it as he is these days- he was very closed off from that but to talk about it with us - I felt that pain. and cause Jirard and Greg- HAD Something. I remember "winning" a question by Greg (what was his favorite character) ((Deadpool!)) and getting to sit their for like 20 minutes and chat with them on my headset alongside Twitch Chat. I remember another time where he was talking to us on Twitch while streaming Diddy Kong Racing - where he wanted Help with making the Episode, like having us send funny memes and pictures THAT MADE IT INTO THE EP. I remember getting atleast 1 of them, into that Video. it was just fun beingable to interact and being Responded back to by a KZbinr. sending him stupid items or drawings, just to hope you would feature in one of the Fan Mail Eps. I was like 14 then? im 29 now. idk. ran into him during Pax East 6 years ago - and I was NERVOUS just to say hello. man this just urks me. this is... just disgusting. I was a fan of Jirard. And Greg.

[@azureemarald5722]

Maybe at that time he was sincere , but the moment I saw him supporting frosks unhinged behavior in g4tv , I knew what kind of person he had become or was already from the start.

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Never meet your hero's kid.

[@froglifes6829]

plz tell me this is a lie

[@nothingsacred8684]

The Completionist started 2011, so at your youngest you would have been 17

[@djpegao]

I mean.... Greg left under some weird circumstances.... Who can't say he might have known about the donation issues and bolted when he realized what was happening, or even being the whistleblower?

[@paulk6399]

Guys, the Conpletionist is totally innocent here. He has said this money goes towards families affected by dementia. ...and since his mother died of dementia... *taps temple

[@redfin382]

He misspoke. He meant FAMILY affected by dementia....his family.

[@NintendanGX]

That's really nice of him. I hope he sent himself a "thank you" card as well!

[@TheGamersState]

I thought it was a typo at first but then I realized what you did with his channel name, good 1 sir.

[@MednaTheFox]

Modern problems require Modern solutions

[@xVMouseVx]

Do worry guys, he "pledged" to donate so it's all good

[@mobaby1979]

😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅

[@TheStonedZone]

"I use pledge and donate synonymously."

[@metalavenger23]

Nice one. Becoming a vintage meme now.

[@maroonstarsface]

Gotta love the amber herd defence

[@DUKEzors]

I've HEARD that one somewhere previously.

[@miirico5398]

The fact that they haven't donated the money puts up a red flag that they "might" have spent the money elsewhere.

[@traphousegamer1906]

APPARENTLY bo money has been spent and is just sitting there according to the filj g reports but the fact its just been stagnant GOR YEARS since donated is a huge red flag

[@WokioWolfy]

Nintendo Eshop stuff?

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

@@WokioWolfymany are speculating that he spent it all on that

[@AvionInfinity]

@@traphousegamer1906 According to the filings, but they absolutely could have spent the money and just not listed it on their tax documents. The IRS would have no idea unless they performed an actual audit, which hasn't happened yet.

[@zzxp1]

Man if the make an audit and discover he has spend that money... Ooof...

[@lemon9974]

"Why tf are you guys looking into and calling out sh*tty behavior with the intent to protect innocent hardworking people?! What's wrong with you?!" Thanks for being an intelligent and cool person Muta; so few YTubers are these days...

[@wood1066]

I get what ProJared was trying to do since everyone jumped on him and it turned out he wasn't actually the one in the wrong, but he really shouldn't be sticking his nose into other controversies without getting all the facts. Otherwise he's just doing the same thing people did to him.

[@TheMetalGaia]

Yeah, I agree. I was just like...dammit Jared lol.

[@hibarikyoya854]

Agree completely he should've seen what was going on first but hes also human and was defending his friend which even if we dont like it people will automatically defend there friends

[@infinitecurlie]

Yeah, I get why he wanted to defend a friend and the knee jerk reaction but oh boy at the bare minimum they should have looked at the evidence cause if (or when) the entire truth comes out then he should (but prob won't) apologize to Mutahar.

[@ShinAk1raSama]

@@hibarikyoya854If he was a good friend, he'd hold him responsible for his actions. I would call this on par with defending a fellow cultist.

[@NerdilyDone]

ProJared was in the wrong, he just wasn't the only one.

[@KATZGATZ]

Calling Muta discount Keemstar may be one of the funniest things I've heard recently

[@nickwyma1545]

The story is being stonewalled by mods on Reddit as well, unsure if it’s because someone on those mod teams are personal friends with Jirard, or if it’s just some misplaced loyalty to him by a mod who’s a fan. Either way it’s kinda messed up. /r/games and /r/gaming both

[@blissfuldj7627]

Fun fact, those subs have been corrupt for years When hogwarts came out, if you said wizard game not that bad, they'd ban you immediately

[@themanwithsauce]

This situation is exactly how charities get "scammed". A trusted member of the org collects the money, but instead of making the donations, just squirrels it away somewhere (usually only a small amount at a time) and then makes off with the whole stash after a few years. It happens again and again when people don't have a trustworthy accountant or take a look at their charitable organization. So yes, this IS on Jirard for not looking into this sooner or doing anything with it. If I was a company like say.....For lack of a smaller one coming to mind, Razer. I'm prepared to drop 10,000$ and dedicate a portion of all item sales during that stream to his charity. If someone came up to me and said he had been "waiting to find the right charity" while collecting almost a million dollars? I would immediately back out. And the sad part is - I wouldn't be surprised if some potential sponsors did. That to me is the true failure - this lack of oversight is probably costing an otherwise noble endeavor even more resources because they lack the means to steward these donations properly and with correct documentation.

[@barendbar]

Ironic how transparent Mutahar is being about everything given how Open Hand and Jirard are handling the situation

[@darcidious99]

Damn theres nothing inherently wrong with wanting to defend close friends when they're accused of something, but jared just blatantly showed he didnt even consider looking at the situation before talking on it. Holy mother of irony, thats a terrible look.

[@damonlam9145]

Even more ironic because this is honestly an insult to Jirard's own mother death as he basically claim one of the reason he created this donation is part because of his mother dying of Dementia and the fact this fraud happen it a spit in his mother's own grave.

[@luckycandy101]

I love how exposing potential fraud is being listed as "drama". That's so crazy.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

One could argue Karl only looked into it to start drama but that doesn't exonerate Jirard. I hate how legitimate issues with KZbinrs will get revealed by people obviously looking to start drama and make themselves look better. Like all the performative outrage at EDP.

[@RainbowWaffles]

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Personally I feel like it's weird to worry about that kind of shit when we're talking about crimes like charity fraud and pedophilia, but.. you do you i guess.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@RainbowWaffles Because those types usually go about it in moronic ways (that idiots that went after EDP basically allowed him to get away with it) and as we just saw from Mamamax, will lie.

[@Shadowmonkey]

Considering he was a victim of people jumping the gun and believing the worst without the full story, its wild to see Projared jump head first into a controversy without doing the bare minimum research.

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

i like PJ, but he isnt the smartest either sometimes

[@billcook4768]

I’m almost willing to give Jared the benefit of the doubt. He was stung badly by accusations, internet chatter, etc. So I can see him being down on the whole concept.

[@linhza501]

To be fair, being a victim himself (and probably also in denial of Jirard's situattion) is probably why he lashed out in the first place. What Jared did was still wrong though.

[@Playbahnosh]

To everyone who is running to the Completionist's defense, I only ask you this: If Jirard is not guilty of anything, then why is he acting guilty as shit?! All Mutahar and Karl did is ask him one simple question: "Why didn't your donate the money like you said you did?" What Jirard and the foundation did was _immediately_ start covering their asses in dubious lawyerspeak and Jirard spewing complete and self-contradictory bullshit in that call they had. Then right after this he tried to _fraudulently_ get the videos removed, and when that failed he just completely clammed up. Not a peep from Jirard or his -mafi- organization ever since. No statement, no "hey guys, we are working on a response" or even "Hey we are donating all this money to [charity]", nothing. The question right now is: Did he or did he not know where the money was for a DECDADE? IF he did not, that's gross negligence _at best_ . If he DID know, it's plain fraud. He was constantly soliciting charitable donations using his dead mother's suffering and constantly namedropping organizations he apparently never worked with and _demonstrably_ never gave a single cent to. That's fraud. Even if the money is still there (which is _very_ doubtful at this point) that means the foundation did absolutely *nothing* for ten years. So what did all those tens of thousands of dollars of "administrative costs" go to? Clearly not towards facilitating dementia research, so...what? Mutahar and Karl didn't accuse anyone of anything, they just pointed some very relevant questions, to which we do not have _any_ answers so far. So anyone questioning their motives I suggest to ask Jirard to answer for these before casting the first stone. You know, due diligence n stuff...

[@sapphail2410]

And then he tried to put it back on them with that 'what do you want me to do to make this right?' Like bruh, it is not Muta or Karl's job or responsibility to help you fix your shit, and it's flat out slimy and manipulative to even say it.

[@ClayMann]

In summary Lied to viewers Lied to companies and major donators Lied to Muta in the call Lied on the website about working with companies before they even existed Are we seeing a pattern here? I think we are.

[@elif6908]

What bothers me most is that Jirard used his mother’s name, it’s such a vile thing because although I didn’t donate it makes it much more probable that people will donate money.

[@Playbahnosh]

@@elif6908 Exactly, that irked me something fierce, using her own dead mother's suffering, that's just low.

[@villyintheflesh]

Let's take a more measured look at this situation. It's easy to jump to conclusions when someone reacts defensively, but being defensive isn't necessarily a sign of guilt. People can respond in all sorts of ways under pressure, especially when their reputation is at stake. It doesn't automatically mean they're guilty of something. Regarding the lawyerspeak and contradictory statements, it's pretty standard for individuals and organizations to be cautious in their communication when legal matters are involved. It might come off as evasive, but often it's about being careful not to say anything that could be misinterpreted or used against them in a legal context. The silence from Jirard and his organization can be frustrating for those looking for answers, but it's not uncommon for people to withhold comment while they're figuring out the best way to respond. It doesn’t prove anything by itself. The accusations about misusing charitable donations are serious, and if there's truth to them, that's definitely concerning. However, it's important to remember that these are still accusations at this stage. Without concrete evidence, it's unfair to treat them as facts. In terms of administrative costs, it's valid to question where the money has gone, especially if it's a significant amount. Transparency in financial matters is crucial for any organization, particularly a charitable one. While Mutahar and Karl have raised some important questions, it's crucial to approach the situation with a mindset of seeking the truth, rather than jumping to conclusions. It's always better to wait for more information before forming a definitive opinion on the matter.

[@AJ_Ol]

When the best case scenario is that you end up looking like a complete fool, you’re really in a pickle

[@TheTundraTerror]

"Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsie daisy'."

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@TheTundraTerror "He kinda did a 650k fucky wucky, but forgive and forget?"

[@miho022883]

​@@TheTundraTerror "Looks like I picked a bouquet of oopsie daisies.

[@superplayerex2431]

"You are accused of committing a doo-doo, how do you plead?" "Not goo-goo gaa-gaa, your honor."

[@marcus8634]

Hilarious that his organization asks where to donate. That's like my doctor asking me how to do his job

[@strawb_short_cake]

ikr? like they had almost 10 years, do they not have access to the internet? maybe a telephone? Just google some charities, make some phonecalls... What were those 'operational' costs every year used for? I assume it was for the charity employees to do their job is which - figuring out where to put the money that was raised. Otherwise, what do they have employees for? 🤨

[@Jeremo-FD]

"We've got your blood work and we've been holding every sample for 10 years. We're looking for a proper lab to send it to. Do you have any ideas?"

[@saidraalien6837]

It's an attempt to disarm the person emailing

[@coobk]

you're joking but trans people run into that all the time, having to tell their doctors their rights and how the stuff works

[@MacenW]

​@@coobkyea but that's not a real doctor

[@setsers1]

This hurts. Completionist was one of the more wholesome channels on KZbin left and now THIS happens.

[@Dullsonic3]

Dont listen to these false allegations. He would never do anything like that.

[@Yaksoup98]

​@@Dullsonic3cope harder

[@СергейДементьев-ы9р]

@@Dullsonic3 Yes, he would never do anything,...LIKE HE DIDNT DONATE ANY OF THAT MONEY

[@dergs_and_stuff]

@@Dullsonic3 I really hope you’re joking.

[@josealberto7290]

Yeah, it sucks. But it just goes to show that we can’t really trust anyone online.

[@matthewbrooks5470]

It's pretty damn telling that most of the detractors can only complain about supposed clout-chasing as opposed to the actual concerns being raised. The way I saw this was as a potential concern being raised by Muta and Karl to someone close that could actually look into it (Jirard). Instead, it was immediately treated as an accusation and all defenses went up For all his complaining about the optics of the situation, Jirard would really have it much easier by just doing the thing he said he was going to do and donate the damn money. It can only get worse from here.

[@theAZenf1sh]

The call with Jirard was damning. Had that call never happened, Jirard coulda handled this in the back. But he openly admitted everything. The people wanting more info or trying to defend Jirard are baffling. It’s not a “he said/she said” scenario (like ProJared situation), it’s blatantly lying to donors (= charity fraud) and potential embezzlement (without bank statements, receipts and an audit). This isn’t up for debate, it’s cold hard facts.

[@DemonLordSparda]

The ProJared video made me just dislike him. He was in a messy break up that was handled poorly by several parties and only had one true victim, which was Ross O'Donovan because he was cheated on while married. It also made Jared come across as sleazy with his Tumblr postings. But in the end he wasn't a monster, just a guy with a damaged reputation. Jirard's situation is far worse because charity fraud is an actual crime.

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

That bslap to Jared was epic. Can't believe people would be so freaking blind.

[@SolidGoldCEO]

Jirard played himself up as the ultimate good guy to everyone, and Jared owed him for confirming he didn't say stuff about that cosplayer that decided to jump in on the Jared's controversy

[@UltraThunderSurge]

As a fan of The Completionist and Super Beard Bros., I'm extremely invested and supportive of you and Karl's efforts to bring this information to light. This isn't the same as something like petty drama, this is serious and should be treated that way considering it involves anyone who gave him and that organization their money in good faith and expected it to go to a good cause. As much as I want to, I can't ignore this shocking breach of trust. Even if Jirard makes a statement explaining everything and donates the money, I just can't imagine ever donating to Indieland again.

[@PentaKillMedia]

If you're looking for a counter of how many times Muta said "again" or "and again", I did the counting for you. It's 72. You're welcome.

[@smach5993]

🎉 thanks

[@anthonybarnett5682]

Can you do a count of how many times he pulls the front of his hoodie down? Thanks, you’re doing god’s work

[@lajeandom]

@@anthonybarnett5682 haha i noticed that as well. It's just a nervous habit I have a friend who does the same thing when he talks to people

[@PzShockz]

Get a job.

[@Dkgow]

@@anthonybarnett5682 22 times on camera 1 time off camera

[@wassup353]

"Please enter the real world, please become an adult" Had me in tears 🤣

[@raioh4747]

Gotta say tho, big name creators being mad about ppl investigating potential fraud regarding another content creator is a really bad look. kinda gives off a vibe of them thinking of themselves as untouchable.

[@stevejones69420]

Or them not wanting other people to look into them 👀

[@juri_6969]

yep

[@just9911]

@@stevejones69420exactly

[@LewdestLiz]

I like how some of the takes on Twitter can be solved if they literally watch the video.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Like 5 or 7 minutes on 2x speed. Very easy to digest.

[@babygravey]

​@@PaulieMcCoyyes but they need that precious time to complain accuse and throw mud

[@koutsioj4762]

twitter has the worst of humanity, why would they waste their time learning about the situation when they can just be mad and complain for no reason?

[@zyphreiumv4529]

Damn, now I'm kinda curious about what tipped the informant to check the charity. But hey, that's how anonymity works and it's clear here that its needed. Thank you for the great work you two did bringing this to people's attention!

[@biggoofus000]

AntDude and co trying to accuse you of just doing this for money + drama is absolutely absurd and it is absolutely enabling Jirard, lmao.

[@Commonsenseisntcommon34]

Ant is doing that too? Man no one is who they present themselves to be. Wow.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

​@@Commonsenseisntcommon34 I think Ant liked or replied to Gilly's tweet or summthin' like that Gonna S U C K for all of his friends when shit starts coming out, because I just do not see this ending well

[@kamilocastillo5816]

He (and much more chanels) is monetizing drama. Dementia research is being used as victim for tons of videos talking about how bad the situation is. I don't say they are wrong by showing us all this info, but at the same time you only can see controversies and drama to get money and views

[@biggoofus000]

@@kamilocastillo5816 So by your logic, news reporters don't deserve to be paid for breaking news? While you can argue that yes, they are profiting off of the situation, I think it's a 20 times lesser evil than say, not being transparent about this much charity money.

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@kamilocastillo5816u said controversy and drama, but i see the truth about scummy people.

[@sirdinkus6537]

Given that no money has been donated, Jirard better be able to provide a good explanation for the ~16% of said donations that were spent on "administration costs" over the last decade. Something tells me that those "administration costs" aren't broken down for a reason.

[@TF2Starlight]

That’s what the previous vid was about…

[@Coderjo.]

Or how about that oddly round 11000 in contractor fees, with no contractors listed in the section for contractors?

[@Valcuda]

Soneone pointed out that there's a $20K "Administration Cost", and Jirard bought all 3DS and Wii U games prior to the eShop closure, publicly saying it cost ~$20K. So it's possible that the admin cost was used to buy the games.

[@okgamer0128]

​@@ValcudaBruh. No way....

[@elimann9989]

I used to look up to Jirard as he had gotten me back into gaming and gotten me out of a few slumps. Hearing this continue to get worse just saddens me. Im not even upset. Im disappointed in this shady bs

[@J0n4THANOS]

That bar is pretty low dude. All he does is play video games and (assuredly) eat junk food.

[@Banazir-uz9zt]

What do you mean "get worse"? As far as I can see, it looks better now? It seems like there are good reasons now to believe that he actually genuinely meant to donate. The restricted vs. unrestricted thing actually means that most problems are now related to the "advertising", while the benevolent intention of the charity as a whole seems a lot more believable now.

[@King_WhiteWolf]

You can rest easy on that motivation he gave you. He clearly didn't mean to do something wrong, in my opinion. He got in over his head, let things get away from him, and got called out on it. So long as he ultimately donates it, I don't see that big of an issue.

[@King_WhiteWolf]

@@J0n4THANOS That is far from all he does. I'm not even a fan of the dude (he's alright), but running the production he's run, successfully and consistently, for so long requires a tremendous amount of work ethic and motivation.

[@tbnwontpop8857]

I discovered many games that I love through his content, so I also feel like an idiot for watching his videos. That's the grossest part about youtube content creators, because they can be Russian roulette like that.

[@AkhierDragonheart]

Honestly, I'm surprised there isn't a KZbin channel out there that specifically goes through and looks at every KZbinr charity for stuff like this. It seems like easy tea to spill.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

Not everyone is in the same country While it may be this easy in the US it might not be as easy in other countries.

[@Bacchus325]

So weird that people think even if you had caught Jerard off guard or whatever reason you investigated this would discredit the actual issues with this.

[@DonkeyPuncher1976]

The only thing The Completionist can’t complete is donating money!

[@Scooterbeerrun]

He doesn't even do all the games himself. He's admitted to having others do grinding for him

[@GummyPounder]

ouch

[@diegomedina9637]

​@@ScooterbeerrunWelp... Thats the straw that broke the Camel's back.

[@ChronoSquare]

​@@Scooterbeerrun L M F A O that's damn hilarious

[@CubicIronPyrite]

If it were an achievement to some $2 indie game, it'd be done by tomorrow.

[@JL050]

To that accountant who says that $600k is a small amount of money. Sure, if you’re the American Red Cross… but a nonprofit supposedly being run by a guy, his brother, and father? Please…

[@wgwells]

This was never about "gotcha!" or even exposing anyone as a criminal. The point is that an influencer was misrepresenting what was happening with donations--the money was not going to the named charities that he mentioned on streams. He needed to: communicate openly and honestly with the public (because it was publicly solicited money), and communciate regularly with the foundation to ensure they were disposing of the funds with well-known and reputable organizations.

[@woobgamer5210]

its just that any serious piece of evidence that proves that he did put his hand into the money, would get the authorities involved. Any big damning evidence Muta, Karl or investigators find that proves Jirard did dip into the charity funds for any reason, would get him in jail

[@Pooky1991]

Lack of transparency on what was really being done to the money pretty much.

[@arena_sniper7869]

Well lying about where the money is going is a crime too

[@dinethrukshan3302]

As an auditor I find this video, very interesting as it relates to disclosure standards.

[@snickle1980]

You're an auditor? Are you a tax auditor? Can i sit by your side and laugh as you eat tadpoles from a caldron? I've always wanted to do that whole Jaba thing.

[@RazeVII]

If it's not too much of a bother, may I ask if you could elaborate in further details? I'd be interested to learn more about the topic.

[@DsgSleazy]

@@snickle1980This is an amazing comment.

[@dinethrukshan3302]

@@snickle1980 I see, we are hated aren't we.

[@dinethrukshan3302]

Like muta said in his early video this could be a case of charity fraud if the balance confirmations and balances have a severe variance. Unfortunately I don't think audits for NGOs are legally forced in the state of California. If they were we probably won't have this situation. We have several standards for NGOs under the FASB relating contributions revenue recognition and the disclosures regarding related party transactions so as an auditor we simply just check for those (depending on the engagement type tbh). If you wanna knock yourself out in the mountains of information, go for it, nothing ventured nothing learned. Another VERY BIG RED FLAG is how indie land served as a SPE for open hand foundation and some expenses of indie land were paid by OHF, rings a very nostalgic bell *ahem* enron. Tax wise when filing with expenses you have to be elaborate on the nature of expense. Governance and ethics wise: the board members are required to question everything based on the stewardship relationship they have with donators. Disclaimer: I am not a CPA, just an auditor by profession.