The Completionist’s Charity Scam Has To Be Investigated...

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@Fungfetti]

I love muta

[@justicewatch4602]

Bro, it's the way the laws are written. They are written to protect these scams to keep going. It's too easy for them to pull them. I'm I wrong?

[@kobra6660]

Jirad going up the irs boss fight would be interesting

[@devarient]

Don't drop this bro, I want as much as you can in updates, this man has manipulated his audiance long before this charity shit happened and I want to see him get dues

[@devarient]

​@@thenakedcanadian13probably did that on purpose so they can argue these points and out themselves

[@Chaosloki]

What's sad is if Open Hand has "gotten away" with this for over 9 years and only got found out because two youtubers decided to investigate them think of how many more charities are getting away with it that aren't being investigated.

[@dragoneye6229]

I hate to tell you this but it was my job at one point to do this and you would be shocked at just how easy it is to catch people and that almost nine out of every ten organizations commit crimes on various levels, sometimes it's a middle manager but other times it's the head honcho and it can be anything from grand to tiny. The fact is that most people just don't want to think that anything shady is going on because we live in an age where skepticism seems to be reserved for philosophy. It's why anything only ever happens anymore when a whistleblower appears.

[@MasterKombatBro]

Dude if something shady was up with AGDQ I'd be crushed

[@myname9130]

​@@MasterKombatBroThankfully GDQ can't run a scam like this even if they wanted. They never touch a penny of your money, all donations made on their website go directly to MSF or PCF and their tax filings are public record, they've been verified by independent parties several times.

[@OOhlUkaTmEImGanSTa]

It's pretty common. And even if charities arent doing anything legally fraudulent, a lot a set up in questionable ways. Just look at "charitable" hospitals or mega churches in the US.

[@nimbus3218]

@ MasterKombatBro something shady is happening with them, they support child abuse.

[@riffcrypt8438]

This just went from "Wow The Completionist is woefully negligent with this charity in the memory of his Mom" to "Damn this whole family might be facing prison time"

[@JimmyJoeBob]

I seriously doubt that there will be any jail time. As surely as the sun will rise in the morning they will bribe their way out of this situation.

[@BaeBunni]

@@JimmyJoeBob this isn't a multi billion or even million dollar scam though it's pretty small change. It's entirely possible that they will throw to book at him as like an example but he will more likely then not have to pay a fine and close the charity, hopefully reimburse all donations.

[@av7062]

I'm starting to question if his mom even had dementia in the first place.

[@ferdinand12390]

i never imagined how BAD it could get

[@myname9130]

​@JimmyJoeBob They don't have the money to bribe anyone my dude. They're "live comfortably and never have to worry about going hungry or doing hard work" rich, not "buy the government" rich.

[@crabwalktechnic]

I'm calling it now. Jirard is going to come out with a "Are you happy now? Going around ruining people's lives? My family's lives? For views?" and it's going to go over terribly.

[@Dre2Dee2]

The prison zoom call is really gonna be epic "To answer your question, I dont have an answer"

[@Naptosis]

[Ukulele music intensifies]

[@SneedBass]

​@@Naptosislmao, imagine this apology to the feds.

[@cleanerben9636]

@@Naptosis Noo, NOOOOOOO!

[@bassgod6704]

@crabwalktechnic if he really scamming ppl in his mom's name who cares

[@arthurdurham]

Guys, let's not jump to conclusions. Maybe his mom's dying wish was for him to exploit her disease and embezzle charity funds in her name.

[@TessaBain]

Lol, now I just imagine it's an overly dramatic movie where her last lucid moment before she dies she gasps the request out at him and his brother at her bedside.

[@haywoodjay385]

lol

[@phoebeaurum7113]

​@@TessaBainDidn't that happen in JoJo?

[@deeta000]

@@phoebeaurum7113 Probably

[@codegeek98]

Gamer mom 🫀

[@matthewgubbins8515]

I think it's extremely scummy that he invokes his mum's name/condition whilst scamming money. he's the type of person that makes me skeptical of charities

[@MrScotty5877304]

Me too if I ever get stopped in the street by those charity muggers who want your bank details for monthly subs they always say " Could you help give money to the poor" I say " Sure we'll you could quit and thats £12 an hour saved straight away! " Who's the bigger arsehole the one not donating or the one actively taking money off a charity lol

[@stephenpmurphy591]

Charities based in California can legally apply 90% of whats been collected to administrative costs. Not good.

[@MrNegativecreep07]

It's a slap in the face to anyone who's ever known someone that was diagnosed with it

[@wilbo_baggins]

I never trust or donate to charities.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

​@@stephenpmurphy591 Sounds very California

[@GoufinAround_]

Also, let's be real. This type of behavior is the reason why people are hesitant to donate to charities

[@UpdoggWhattt]

If you want to give to people, it’s best to just give yourself. You don’t have to just give cash to homeless people. If you’re uncomfortable with that, go buy or make food and hand it out. Hand out sneakers, clothes, coats, blankets, etc. If weed is legal in your state, homeless adults love weed, even if they don’t smoke it, because it’s valuable and can be traded for money or things they need. Edit: I’m not saying you specifically, OP. I’m talking to people in general, just my personal advice and stance.

[@godless1014]

Yes... but mostly we just don't give a shit.

[@arsena5209]

I wasn't even hesitant, I simply need the money myself and don't have enough of it to support both myself and other people aside from my family, but if I ever do decide to donate to anything this is definitely gonna stay on my mind and I'll have to do a lot of research before deciding on a charity to donate to... it's a sad reality I wasn't even aware of and I'm assuming most people aren't aware of either

[@marcmathes41]

i know the % can be low that is used by the charity for the charity. normalcy paid employees

[@reeheehee9615]

Goodwill makes money sadly.

[@TommyCrosby]

Jesus Christ, I'm on a board of directors of a small organisation and we have to pay an accountant just to double check everything we do with our money. The fact that this guy runs a charity with notable sponsors and donations and have zero accountability piss me off.

[@pookie2986]

According to Omni's video the other day Muta and Omni found the accountants and is like a small family firm they paid $5 for. Likely a "we legally have to pay you something, so here's 5 bucks" thing.

[@greebj]

My partner was on the board of directors of a "non-profit" professional trade association organisation (before they illegally kicked her off when she started asking questions) and the auditors and lawyers were crooked. The trio who ran the thing as they wished (and voted themselves a salary that represented the vast majority of the profits) ducked accountability to the rest of the board, and the members, with disgusting effectiveness. The auditors and lawyers liked getting paid and had to cover up their own failures to give correct and honest advice by telling the board how to duck accountability. For example, after the auditors missed for 18 months a CEO embezzling a six figure sum, they were kept on as auditors, and were protected by the board from turning evidence over to the police fraud squad who ended up closing their investigation for lack of evidence. And the board silenced any opportunity to be held accountable by not running the member meetings openly and honestly, and threatened defamation against those who spoke up. Those three basterds still run the thing today. Small charities and non-profits are an unregulated mess. Do not donate to them people. Ever.

[@joshuahstubbs6753]

Sounds like a scam charity

[@paulcrisafi4415]

Y'all hiring? I have 501c(3) tax filing and bookkeeping experience, and need a job.

[@SaucerheadTharp]

@@pookie2986 For tax prep work, we are reliant on the client to be honest with representations we make. "Client lied to me" is one of our absolute defenses. We aren't auditing them or providing any assurance services that their representations are correct.

[@CJ-ht4rf]

If you were so passionate about something that you started your own charity wouldn't you be excited to hear what the money was doing?? That's why it makes zero sense to me that he knew nothing for 10 years

[@Guitartabstoday]

and he stopped sharing the raised amount like wouldn’t you be proud to tell everyone

[@sparkyspinz9897]

Thats what scammers always do when caught. Look at Sam Bankman Fried. He claimed ignorance, that he didnt know anything that was going. Its just feigned ignorance to try and shift the views of maliciousness to incompetence in hopes of lighter setencing or better public opinion

[@arturzinurov4781]

The fact that soo many people tried to argue it was possible bugled my mind

[@thecianinator]

The charity was started by his father when he was a small child. It's probably always been a scam and he probably grew up thinking it was normal.

[@415-k1ub]

​@@thecianinatorbut surely, as a full grown adult, he would've figured out that collecting money by claiming work with other orgs and then not actually donating to those orgs, is a bad thing

[@Mr_Top_Hat_Jones]

I’ve heard and read multiple comments that said, “But he’s such a nice guy.” Of course he’s a nice guy. If you’re running a huge scam, you _better_ come off as a nice guy. If you’re an asshole, there’s a greater chance that people are gonna start looking into your “charitable organization.”

[@darcyroyce]

the superficial charm of a budding sociopath.

[@DaakkuuYRS]

It is crazy that people say "he is nice guy" based on his interent persona. How many people actually know Jirard in person to even say that?

[@yoshiswagdust]

Its weird how much people think they know a youtuber. They aren't your friends, parasocial relationships are not healthy.

[@darcyroyce]

@@yoshiswagdust it's equally weird how much KZbinrs think they know a follower or their followers, or even a fellow KZbinr. They aren't your friends, and parasocial attachments, not relationships my dear, as these are usually, one-sided, are a real consequence of a love-hungry world. It is genuinely worrisome, sad, and something to be considered.

[@leon4000]

​@@yoshiswagdustBut they do not have developed critical thinking as you. I certainly didn't as a kid back then. Kids grew up with some morals, but more times than not, they often see people smiling and doing things, so it makes them feel like they should be happy as well. Steve Burns is an individual kids grew up and believing that he is a good guy, after many episodes of Blue's Clues. And while the man is living fine, there were rumors going around that Steve had to squash because people for some were making it up because of how he left the show. When you watch someone do stuff for so long, you start to believe that he is really for real. Kids were young and lacked further maturity to realize that people could pretend while having a smile. If you didn't know what that was like, it only means you matured wiser than other kids back then. And understanding why people tends to believe others like that should be more clearer to the point that you figured out your own question.

[@CriticalNobody]

It’s such a shame that all of this was built on the legacy of a woman who went through terrible suffering

[@Dre2Dee2]

DID she? Do we have any reason to believe ANY part of that story is true, in light of what we know now?

[@sarads7877]

@@Dre2Dee2 I honestly think that part of the story is true, but to be fair, it would be better if it wasn’t 💀 like if he lied and his mother didn’t actually have dementia that’s honestly better than him building a whole scam around his mum’s condition

[@dimitriwarchief301]

@Dre2Dee2 wow dude That’s low

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Trying to say he lied about his mom?

[@patchey8019]

@@dimitriwarchief301 He could have. If he lied about the money he could've easily lied about other things including his mother.

[@Iacedrom54]

I don't understand why people would be angry with reporting this. It's not 'manifesting' a charge. If he and his family did something wrong, they should be investigated and charged. It's not doing wrong to them. Committing fraud was the wrong. Asking for an investigation is the only way of getting justice for the people whose donations were stolen and for the people who should have been helped but weren't.

[@AexisRai]

I think the mindset to put yourself in to understand that is one where what exists is defined by what socially matters. "you manifested something bad where before there was nothing bad" is unironic belief in a reality determined by a status quo of people just getting away with shit, where there are only perceived problems when somebody "makes problems", sometimes phrased as 'drama'. 'drama' can be suddenly manifested by anybody who tries to. there isn't necessarily substance under the drama that _makes_ something bad. 'drama' itself is bad because it reduces enjoyment of the status quo. the excuses come out not for actually arguing to establish a point of fact on principles, but instrumentally to shoo the drama away so things quiet down again.

[@IT.93]

They fought dementia by becoming dementia and "forgetting" to donate any money. True dedication.

[@thatHARVguy]

Never go full dementia.

[@ms41576]

“Becaming?” 😂you may wanna get checked for dementia too😂😂jk bro

[@IT.93]

​​@@ms41576English is my 3rd language, give me a break bro 😭

[@IT.93]

​@Pomni_SMG4Ok bot 👍

[@carlwheezerofsouls3273]

yes you’re right, we didnt ask wether or not you made better content, ta-ta now, little one!

[@Krim_The_Crow]

Turns out they're named "The Open Hand" because they are a slap in the face of every single person who made a donation.

[@snickle1980]

Charlie murphy! What did the five fingers say to the face?

[@thevinlanddragon]

SLAP

[@Norweeg]

The name really is fitting isn’t it? It’s not an open hand to give to charities, it’s an open hand to collect any money given to them.

[@NeoShameMan]

They got a close fist back

[@chronobeard2101]

In the initial videos, the way Jirard went from "I don't know who to send the money to" to "I know who to send the money to and I'm about to" to "Why don't you tell me who to send the money to" really says it all for me.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

Plus his main concern was 'obviously you are gonna make a video which makes me look bad, I can't stop you.' No shit Sherlock, you committed a crime

[@keithfilibeck2390]

its because the goal was never to send the money anywhere and just hopefully launder the money for decade, now that won't happen and he's panicking.

[@XXXXX8]

​@@MegaFan5cope harder.

[@XXXXX8]

@@MegaFan5 Is your last name Khalil? Why are you blowing bubbles and doing tricks on it?

[@zacca6000]

@@MegaFan5 You're still wrong on this. Yes, the event got sponsored and that sponsor money is to host the event but the sponsors also donated as well hence why at 22:11 Muta goes over the event and the tiers of donations. He points out that a lot of the sponsors had tents, golf carts, giving out free drinks at tents, etc. At 23:44 Muta explains that these were not just sponsor tents but tiers for the charity event and how much they cost, showing these sponsors donated thousands of dollars to have their tents, golf carts, free drinks, etc., there. So your point is rendered moot because sponsors both sponsored the event and donated to the event and because the event is held for Open Hand, this means the donation checks were written for the Open Hand Foundation. If that isn't enough to convince you then that's completely on you.

[@PsychoticWolfie]

Let's just face the known facts here: 1. Jirard claimed that he didn't realize the money was just piling up in the 501c for years. 2. Jirard also said that he and the charity weren't sure on what organizations and research programs were the best to donate the money to yet. 3. Jirard never told anyone the plan was to keep the money in the account until it was decided which orgs and research programs were best to give the money to, as he supposedly didn't know that the money was sitting in the 501c for years (I refer you back to no. 1) 4. Jirard openly named charities and research programs in many charity livestream events he did. 5. I refer you back to no. 2, and ask, does that make sense? How could he and his charity not be sure on who to give the money to yet, if he only recently realized the money was sitting there waiting to be donated. Meanwhile he named programs and charities in his livestreams as if they were receiving the donations, but they weren't reported in filings. 6. Jirard himself said this amounts to a big screw up, AND claims the money is all still there, so he obviously thinks he made a mistake somewhere even if some don't. 7. If the money IS all still there, then you can't say it's gone to the organizations he's said in his livestreams so far, and it is confirmed to have not in that case. I could keep listing more and drawing attention to the contradictions, but I think we all get the picture here. And it's not pretty.

[@neonhalos]

tbh, this all reminds me of the destiny vs jontron thing. someone who does something wrong (jon/jirard) gets approached by a youtuber known for investigating stuff from time to time (destiny/muta/karl) and asks them to give their side of the story. thinking this will be an easy one-and-done conversation, the accused (jon/jirard) agrees to the conversation without preparing anything or speaking to counsel ahead of time. investigative youtuber (destiny/muta/karl) starts asking questions that the accused (jon/jirard) was not prepared to answer, so they start saying wild, contradictory shit that puts a negative light on them (jon being racist/jirard being a scammer) that youtube viewers now assume about that person. obviously, the circumstances themselves were different, but the outcome just reminds me of that "debate" jon had with destiny that totally tanked his public image. just some guy woefully unprepared to give educated, informed answers to difficult, sometimes nuanced questions. that's why i think jirard contradicts himself so much. he wasn't prepared. he probably didn't think the call would go the direction it went in (for some reason...) and so he fumbled with his answers and didn't realize he was contradicting himself. just smacks of inexperience and panic to me more than a calculated effort to disguise wrongdoing.

[@Yoshinator]

@@neonhalos The thing with Jon could not be anymore different lol.

[@MoneyManHolmes]

Notice how he always says “worked with” this charity instead of “donated to”. He knew and was creating some sort of deniability.

[@-0rbital-]

Is there any actual evidence that the $650K is still in that bank account?

[@ebdgr]

I want Legal Eagle to cover this SO much. Or Legal Bites (or Bytes)

[@xTraceDesignsx]

The way he said “it doesn’t matter you’re gonna say whatever you want to” in that call immediately told me there is more to it than just not spending the money on research.

[@umburon]

Honestly, he was probably hoping it'd stop at "they never donated the money"

[@TheDapperDragon]

Same. As SOON as that came out of his mouth, he might as well have just changed his fucking U/N to 'I did everything you're accusing me of and more.' 'You're gonna say whatever you want to.' is the surest sign of guilt.

[@CPCGamer]

Muta out here with "Do not embezzle money from charity" the coldest take I've ever heard.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

If the IRS gets involed or are already involved. Then you will be talking about jail time.

[@sparkyspinz9897]

​@@TheDapperDragon that comment didnt immediately make me think "guilty". But it did make me think he wasnt taking any of this shit seriously and was more concerned about "looking bad" or being caught up in "drama"

[@nukeacitrus]

This just goes to show: never make donations via middle-men. Always donate directly to whoever you want to support.

[@martinnordlund5237]

While I mostly agree, charity streams/events are great at informing/exposing viewers to causes they might otherwise not have known about or bothered with. A lot of people got involved in this specific charity cause only because of The Completionist, and would otherwise not have donated. Sure, this time it looks bad, but (hopefully) many similar charities actually succeed in attracting otherwise excluded people and contributing towards a good cause. And if they do, they should naturally get compensated somewhat while doing it.

[@Relentlesscopez]

Thats assuming the charity youre donating to isnt just steaping the money themselves. Donating to charity is literally for the tax write off nothing else.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

​@Relentlesscopez for some people and organisations, sure, they only donate for a tax write off. Does that lessen the impact of the money they're donating? Should they not donate money then? Should we discourage them? No. It doesn't matter *why* people are donating. If the charity is a good charity and going to a good cause, who cares.

[@Relentlesscopez]

@@Fuzzy_Barbarian way to miss the point entirely so you could argue with someone

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

@@Relentlesscopez "Donating to charity is literally for the tax write off nothing else." You said it. Unless you're just making an absolute statement just so it sounds better.

[@cleanerben9636]

there's a reason he and his family are silent; they know it's over and they will already have been told by a lawyer to stay quiet. There's already a case against them filed in Michigan.

[@damianea103]

Source?

[@cleanerben9636]

@@damianea103 Someone on Karl Jobst's video made a comment about it and posted their filing number. You'd have to look though however it did have quite a lot of likes so it shouldn't be too difficult to find. I think it's Michigan but I might be misremembering.

[@harshmalhari8519]

I would’ve thought that they had over a hundred cases filed against them

[@DeviousHands]

​@@harshmalhari8519if filing a case wasn't such a draining process I'm sure there would be more

[@PlayPodOG]

or they are legally trying to keep it safe. you people are insane

[@1993Nautilus]

"I've seen people who've said we've been manifesting criminal charges by pushing people to report this". Guess what, if there's nothing illegal then the government will say have a nice day and move on. It's only a problem if there's a problem.

[@koutsioj4762]

Also, these huge discrepancies in the tax records are pretty good evidence that something very wrong is going on and it should be investigated. It's not simply speculation or rumors.

[@bloodhound1182]

Its so fucking annoying also when people are saying "Why did u investigate this in the first place?!?!??!" like WHAT!? That's not what this is about 😭

[@michaelc1632]

For Jirard saying he didn't know about the money not being donated, it seems like he's trying to sweep the issue under the rug. Everything about this seems really shady.

[@Teixas666]

he's trying ot pass the hot potato by trying ot create plausible deniability. execept this is about a charity that is supposedly very personal for him and therefore he had the obligation to ensure it went where it needed to. so at best we are looking at criminal negligence and at worst jirard is outing himself as a borderline sociopath + this whole thing is definition wire fraud.

[@oneofnone7947]

​@@MegaFan5that's an excuse at best and the blame is on him and the team even in that call he's trying to just pass this as drama

[@blakemeyering9545]

@@MegaFan5 he straight up lied multiple times about orgs he had already donated portions of the money to, do you think this evil accountant told him to say all that too?🤣 hes just a pos

[@Guitartabstoday]

@@MegaFan5its a family ran organization and all employees are family members so that doesn’t make much sense either tbh

[@OnePunchLion]

He said he knew the money wasn't being donated at least over a year ago, but continued to raise money by saying they were working with the charities they were in fact not working with. That is charity fraud. He could have taken care of this a long time ago, but still just let the money sit there (if it's actually there). But he also said he would take money from the account when he was short on trips and appearances he does. That to is illegal if the trips are not directly for fund raising for the charity.

[@jameslikesit]

It's crazy that there are apparently people that feel like this uncalled for or unfair. This isn't just "internet drama", this is illegal activity. It can't and shouldn't just be dismissed as youtube drama, this needs to be federally investigated asap.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

I mean it's internet drama because at this point people are just jumping at every speculation. And you can't ignore that these videos aren't really there to report news but to build attention which then feeds the algorithm and becomes profit What has actually changed In the weeks since this reveal and considering that 1. Even if Jirad wanted to discuss this he probably can't and yet people are taking it as a sign of Guilt despite cases like this potentially taking months 2. There basically no real information and a bunch of people thinking that "Just Donate it" is actually how this kind of thing works(or the other wild solutions) Along with the hearsay If this was proper reporting it makes more sense to wait for any information and give it to the community as an update Not whatever you want call this

[@Sleepy_Kitsune]

@@demonking-zm3rs this isnt just hearsay, its going on the public documentation of the charity funds there isnt more information to wait for, we have all the information that Jirards group is going to give out unless they get fire under their feet and are forced to and while Jirard probably cant talk about this its not because of innocence, he outright admited that despite claiming to helping charities the money from all years raised was NEVER donated

[@showingthelinks8441]

​@demonking-zm3rs just donate it is exactly how it works. As a matter of fact donating it to a charity that has higher overhead is normally better because the money that does go past administrative cause often has more effect than charities woth little to no overhead. His silence speaks volumes because if nothing was wrong he would be able to speak about this.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@Sleepy_Kitsune ... I mean there is more information that could sway this in any direction but again this is Internet Drama Im honestly curious how the influencer who are pushing there narrative will spin this if after extensive look into this by the actual authorities they don't find any openly fraudulent behavior My assumption is straight into conspiracy theories. But it's been a few weeks and how many videos with worthwhile information has been released That's what I mean feeding a frenzy is milking drama. Informative updates with verified resources (non speculative) is journalism I expect 2 to 3 more vids by the end of December while the actual conclusion not being known for several months But IRS most likely knows at this point. So if they were genuine with spreading awareness of what they see as a crime they would allow the authorities to do there job Not add to the fervor because people in a comment section are (in a respectful way) not well informed on how Donations work or any of the legality involved with this amount of money being donated or all the participants involved and there role.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@showingthelinks8441 Okay If that's your thoughts process then your entitled to opinion. I know people on the internet think a few weeks is a lot of time...but it's not And in the mean time if you've ever been accused of anything while being innocent the first thing is never speak about the case From a legal perspective and just as personal advise Because even if your holding information in your hands screaming I'm innocent all it takes is a misreading and people's general disinterested and lack of knowledge to damn you into looking worse Preferably you let people speculate and say there shit and months later are proven innocent it's a better outcome Even if Jared ends up being fine and its a issue on some other party or whatever. Your still going to get people making video about how he "Scammed His Way Out Of a Conviction" COMPLETIONIST ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED :THEFT because again its internet drama not in the potential mismanagement or even morale issue of using a Woman's illness as a mean to garner money But just the reporting itself screams let's keep this conversation going even if nothing new has happened. Look foward to 2 more videos with almost nothing new before the end of the year

[@PMRants]

Yeah, this isn't just Jirard, his whole family is going down. His father may be the mastermind, but he has been complicit this whole time.

[@GamingVids1984]

I wonder if they will pin it on one person so that everybody else can go free.

[@derekrequiem4359]

@@GamingVids1984 On the other hand, I wonder if we'll have a prisoner's dilemma situation where they try to rat each other out 😁

[@PMRants]

@@GamingVids1984 Probably. Even if that's the case, and they take a plea deal to avoid doing time, they're definitely going to be hit with huge fines and restitution. Not to mention the class action lawsuit that will most likely come from this.

[@crunchysalmons]

lebanese business practices

[@SharpEdgeSoda]

"Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything..." The Khalils being a rich LA family that ran a Charity scheme, I just see the Bluths.

[@CTSkydives]

Man, $600k could EASILY have funded a Ph.D or two working in a Neuro lab to find links and investigate proteins in brain cells. This is sad.

[@furrymessiah]

You would be SHOCKED how much medical equipment costs. An actual researcher left a comment on Karl's video saying a SINGLE piece of equipment they bought for their lab cost $250,000.

[@crazybeatrice4555]

​@@furrymessiahunfortunately the people are often paid very little

[@khaledm.1476]

@@furrymessiah even one piece of equipment is a major help. a 250k donation is massive beats keeping the money in a bank account

[@roclame123]

@@furrymessiah I would have to think that the main cost for most labs would be the cost of labor. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of research make high 5 figure to low 6 figure salaries costing labs a ton per year. Equipment like that could likely last for more than a decade, so in the long run the cost of it doesn't impact the organization nearly as much

[@nzingahendricks4128]

@@roclame123nah, you’d be surprised, most of that money is going to equipment/lab supplies restocking, not salaries. We get paid enough to pay our bills and treat ourselves to eating out/buying clothes now and then, but we don’t get paid as much as we should. Big part being that we get paid by research grants from the NIH, so it’s budgeted, and most labs are underfunded. Also at least $11-22k of that money goes towards fees to pay science journals to publish manuscripts. Regardless, that $600k could *definitely* have funded a PhD or two, and it’s bs that it never got donated to where it was supposed to be. Coming from a research technician in a neuroscience lab

[@deimoskaischylos]

This is all so weird to me. When people donate to you in the name of a specific cause, you should already have a place you plan to donate to. You do *not* hoard the money. So, why would he even think “We have it all piled up in an account” is a good excuse? “We have the money! We’re just, uh…letting it age!”

[@johnlucas2838]

And having it slowly lose value over time.

[@TheOriginalDuckley]

Yeah and due to inflation that money donated very early on had lost some value in comparison to if it had been spent right away!

[@deimoskaischylos]

Mhm, important to add that the value of the money is dropping the whole time. I think even giving the most charitable…hehe…interpretation, it shows a reckless level of incompetence.

[@patrickdix772]

It can make sense, depending on the cause. Though this ussually means that some of the money is spent on the cause each year. If the cause is, for example, a food bank it makes no sense to spend all the money you have on food if there isn't enough demand for food in that area. In that case, you put the extra money into a relatively safe investment fund (like treasury bonds) for the future. That way, if there's a sudden increase in costs or demand the charity doesn't instantly go bust.

[@deimoskaischylos]

@@patrickdix772 That is true. However, that would need to be specified. I definitely could have phrased my post better. Typically, people expect you to donate the money they give you when you tell them you plan to donate it. Unless you specify that you plan to hold onto for an undetermined amount of time for a charity you’ve yet to decide on, you need to do what you seem to be offering.

[@medea27]

I've been involved in charity events like the golf tourney as an organiser, participant & even as a corporate sponsor representative, and I'd say that Muta is being _very_ generous with his guess-timates. A charity event should have relatively low expenses because people will donate products, services & volunteer their time to keep costs low & maximise funds raised. Venues will discount (if not provide free) venue hire & staff. Catering is usually donated... I'd bet Monster donated crates of drinks to the event _on top of_ the $8-10k sponsorship. Local printers make signs & flyers. Raffle prizes, catering equipment, transport, you name it... people want to do their bit to help, and often expect nothing more than a mention in the "thank you's" in return. That's why it's so important for the govt, IRS, etc to investigate this.... because every "charity" with a question mark over their heads destroys the trust the public & those businesses have, making it infinitely harder for genuine charities to fundraise.

[@88porpoise]

It is plausible that the event was just poorly run due to incompetence and didn't make any money. It is also plausible that, while random people were told to cut a cheque to Open Hand, the big donations were paid to the organizers to pay for running the event and they would therefore never hit Open Hand's books and/or a significant portion of their donations were in kind for operating the event rather than in cash. All that said, they are plausible, but from everything I have seen these people do not warrant the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

[@kuro9410_ilust]

because golf is expensive rich people sport

[@bonogiamboni4830]

The funny thing is that if they had actually donated the revenue that they filed on their documents people probably would have thought that's that and they could have easily pocketed the extra, unaccounted for money. They were so incompetent at running this charity that they couldn't even scam people the right way.

[@vvitch-mist20]

Right!?

[@ferdinand12390]

i was just thinking that, if they gave that money that was publicly visible, no onw would have thought anything shady went on, i don´t even think they know wxactly how much they took, but i´m sure it´s already in the millions

[@GhostyOcean]

​@@ferdinand12390multiple millions is overstating it in my opinion. I'd estimate no more than $1.5M, that's the highest I think it could be so far. I believe it is < $1M, maybe $500k or so this far. Still absurd that he did any of this.

[@AdamH7]

​@@GhostyOceanthe charity has been running for years and with these events and sponsors, I believe it's in the millions easily.

[@Isaiah42069]

makes you wonder if the money in the charity account is being used as collateral for loans or something

[@Assimandeli]

"Technically, everything is above board and legal. It's just highly immoral what we're doing here". Would you buy used anything from this man?

[@metaldiceman]

best comment here I've seen so far

[@rishg134]

@@nobody5106Yep. Basically, “It’s only illegal if we get caught.”

[@trashtrash2169]

Too bad it's not legal either.

[@TatsumiOga682]

The Completionist is just completing the "Charity Fraud" side questline

[@Jax1147]

Gotta do the evil run to get the bad ending achievement.

[@cowmath77]

copy n paste is fun

[@oukeith]

Mr roflwaffles is that you?

[@gnarkz6774]

He's so good, he completed his own career

[@thomashernandez6536]

​@cowmath77 still funny. Also, first time I've read it.

[@joyconboyz1409]

A decade ago Greg said Jirard was not who he said he was. Everyone was against him back then. I’m patiently waiting to see how this all plays out.

[@ringtail99]

greg was right 100% right

[@abigaillilac1370]

Who is Greg?

[@thebluePumpking]

Yeah, who is Greg?

[@serberus5233]

yeah, yeah, who is Greg?

[@uknownhero2764]

​@@abigaillilac1370Greg was a friend and was part of the Completionist in the early days, but left after a while.

[@jameskane6124]

Pro tip to all the young people out there, especially the young people who rushed to TheCompletionist's defense in the past few weeks. It's OK to give people the benefit of the doubt, in fact it's a positive quality, but once you catch someone lying assume the worst from that point on, ESPECIALLY if money is involved.

[@jonnysilia5740]

two reasons a lie is wanted, the truth is embarrassing, or the truth is DAMNING.

[@Bootlickersticker]

aii Idk why u said young I can’t imagine his audience is more kids than dudes who look like him

[@dragoneye6229]

Yeah I hate to think how these people defending him at this point are going to be later on in life. They are easy marks and I'm genuinely worried for them now.

[@kingti85]

I lost trust in the Greg fallout. Can't even stand Girard anymore tbh

[@frisby7143]

Well said

[@RouxLioux]

I’ve been a consumer of Jirard’s content for a long long time now, and in the first part of this investigation I was very hesitant. But as of now, I just can’t bring myself to even try and be on his side anymore. Thank you for the eye opening insight

[@RouxLioux]

It at least makes a lot of sense why he wasn’t on the last Scary Games Squad.

[@reiddutchess9955]

Jirard is taking a break from the Friends Per Second Podcast, which is a group of 4 people who are extremely progressive with their views. They are not the kind of people to separate themselves from someone unless there is very good reason, in my opinion. That is all the evidence I need.

[@billclinton6749]

@@reiddutchess9955what are you on about?

[@reiddutchess9955]

@@billclinton6749 his friends wouldn’t ask him to recuse himself from their podcast if they didn’t have genuine concern.

[@derekrequiem4359]

@@reiddutchess9955 I'm not too sure of how much politics is involved in this but I agree overall.

[@ImportAustralia]

The irony in all of this is Karl and Muta have been as charitable as one can possibly be to Jirard in this scenario and still get accused of spreading baseless drama.

[@torkelsonstan6967]

They really have, came up with quite a few defenses for why it may not have been that bad at first

[@KikomochiMendoza]

When the Open Hand Foundation was first covered by here they didnt even accuse Jirard of malice. At best they showed that Jirard was sitting on the money but not giving it to charity as promised. But the reaction shows that the coverage hit a nerve. Maybe the money isnt just sitting in account somewhere. Maybe it was being funnelled unreported in the irs.

[@reginaldforthright805]

They want to get multiple videos out of this. Therefore they have constructed a narrative where it . gets worse and worse. Of course they knew all this from the beginning

[@66kaisersoza]

You'll always get that vocal minority. The overwhelming majority (even Jirards own fans) are in muta's camp on this

[@mrowyug5844]

maybe he was holding transcripts ransom until credentials disappear then he walks away with money

[@orcashadow8989]

My whole family is extremely susceptible to dementia. Both of my grandmas spent the last 15+ years of their lives confused, angry, and scared as they deteriorated over time not understanding what was happening to them, and it was so hard on the family too. Dementia is no joke. Probably one of the worst ways to die. Your brain is literally rotting away. So sad someone do this. We need as much research as possible to end this condition. How soulless of him to use his mother's name, too- that just shows sociopathy to me. Awful.

[@darcyroyce]

it's not rotting..it's drying up, or rather, shrinking, as you lose myelination.

[@holysword876]

No offense but if you are going to use fancy words, at least get the science right. Dementia isn’t mainly linked to demyelination (unlike other peripheral nerve damage diseases) and instead it’s due to cell death because of a lot of misfolded proteins (amongst other things, there’s several different types of dementia).

[@darcyroyce]

@@holysword876 no offence, but I couldn't nor would I claim that as dementia is used to describe a group of symptoms, from a group of conditions, demyelination is the only underlying reason. Having said that, recent studies have suggested, definitely when it comes to the most common kind of dementia, Alzheimer's, that loosing white matter is also an important pathophysiological element to consider when it comes to research into dementia.

[@holysword876]

@@darcyroyce Even in the case of Alzheimers demyelination isnt even close to one of the main reasons behind the loss of white matter. Its due to the cells itself dying because of a multitude of reasons. Demyelination is a main factor in many other neurological diseases, but Alzheimers and other forms of dementia have other very key pathophysiological causes.

[@Jumpin.Jagaloon]

I've witnessed it happen to my gramps who I loved and taught me everything. It hurts deeply. That being said I think Ol' Completionist has a touch of the dementia, right now

[@vince8901]

The silence from Jirard is deafening and with all this in mind, his earlier behaviour is much more understandable. He focused on taking the L and just donating the money because he wanted you and Karl to be off his case. He wanted it to be a one and done expose drama video and he didn't want you to take a closer look at the underreported money. I always thought he sounded really guilty in the discord call.

[@IceWarm]

It was really telling by how defensive and argumentative he got.

[@poisonouslead85]

I'm assuming the "silence" is because his counsel told him to shut up. Best case scenario is that they're going to eat 6 figure penalties from the IRS. The dude's dead to rights on a lot of stuff already, no point in making things worse for himself by making public statements that could be used against him in court. EDIT: Most lawyers will drop you if you don't shut up after they tell you to shut up. "Acting against the advice of counsel".

[@pilgrimspromise1132]

​@@IceWarmyeah his main concern in the call is his public image. That's what he cares about not the issue of the charity

[@LeaderPenguin]

I do agree. The silence is definitely because lawyers are now definitely involved and more than likely the entire Khalil family is probably currently under investigation. More than likely, Jirard’s closest associates like Alex Faciane are possibly being questioned too.

[@vince8901]

@@poisonouslead85 In this case, shutting up probably wasn't the right call if they were really committing fraud, they should have just confessed to the small charge and donated the money ASAP to try and cover it up though his lawyers probably dont know they're embezzling funds, so they'd probably advise them to shut up

[@TheBigLegendary]

By now its almost crystal clear that the entire family is acting fraudulently. I always found greg leaving as suspicious and i believe that was the best thing he ever did for himself

[@OG_McLovin]

Jirard is SO slimy. Every few years he's involved in some controversy about this or that but it's somehow never his fault. He always walks away clean, acting as if he was totally innocent the whole time. He's doing it here in the interviews, getting fake indignant about all of this "the money wasn't donated and that's NOT f***in cool". Gimme a break. This guy needs to get fried but I promise you this: he will claim complete ignorance, complete innocence, and claim that HE is the victim here. He'll say he wasn't taking advantage of people's good will, it was HIM that was getting taken for a ride all along! Poor Jirard! Don't let him get away with it. He was 100% involved in this, he was the public face of the organization for years, and the SOB is using his own mother's premature and tragic death to scam people. Please get him this time.

[@mage1439]

The whole Normal Boots gang. If PBG ends up in a major controversy I'm going to be pretty sad.

[@Dfeneck]

@@mage1439 Remember how quick they all disowned JonTron and kicked him out of the group. But when Jirard does something not a word.

[@RealCutieMutie]

If "SOB" mean what I think it does, I don't believe is the best insult to use in this situation :3

[@brettwallace7687]

Have there been other controversies?

[@Belligerennt]

Even if he really was ignorant of all that’s been happening, he still isn’t innocent because it’s ridiculous he’s been doing this for a decade and never once checked into it himself to see if everything is in order.

[@cultist1762]

I was raised by my Grandmother and when I was 16 she started to fall to dementia I took care of her until she passed when I was 32. Witnessing what it does to a person is extremely painful hearing about a scam for a charity for it leaves me incredibly angry and disappointed.

[@AmazinglyAwkward]

Moral of the story: if a KZbinr talks about a charity and it really strikes a chord with you, no matter how much you trust that KZbinr, if you want to donate, donate directly to a charity e.g. instead of donating at Indieland donate to an officially recognised dementia research charity

[@fixedfunshow]

Vinny: * gulp * I hope he comes clear so we can trust Vinesauce as a business. I hope KZbinrs start proving themselves so we know who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

[@roybobxiv8996]

Even better as 99% of charities are scams do something yourself Take cancer research U.K 80 or 90% of all money goes to GlaxoSmithKline for tobacco replacement research. It's a joke

[@AlbedoAtoned]

@@fixedfunshow I'm pretty sure Vinny is in the clear. As far as I am aware, he links directly to the charity that he is doing the charity streams for. With Indieland and such, Jirard and his family were running a private foundation as a middleman as if it was a public charity.

[@tmw3489]

​@@AlbedoAtonedyou got this wrong. It went public years and years ago. That word doesnt mean what you think it means

[@AlbedoAtoned]

@@tmw3489 Open Hand Foundation is a private foundation. Their IRS tax filings indicate they count as type 990PF.

[@OldestPagans]

The idea that he was working with these big-name foundations year after year and they never discussed how much was donated to them in the previous year is completely unbelievable. He definitely knew the whole time that the money was not being donated.

[@Pybro1]

This makes me so upset. I work in a nursing home. Primarily in the dementia unit most days. It's such a sad disease. I really hope this gets investigated. It needs investigated. The money needs to go to charity. I don't care which one. Do what you said you'd do Jirard. Do better.

[@whisptrz]

Didn’t ask. My content is better

[@Dre2Dee2]

The money is already gone, spent. Been gone for years It's only a matter of time now

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

Nearly all charities are a scam today. 90% of the money we take gets legally used for our hotel and travel amenities. My employers literally use their charities as vacation scams, and I lived good off just the scraps. And this is all of them. All you need to jnow is a "Charity" is only as good as the law requires, and the law today requires we save only 10% for you. (And after cash is dipped, it's 5%). Everybody just stop already.

[@ARentz07]

​@@whisptrzI think you've been hacked

[@JoakimKanon]

For not being able to find a charity to donate to, Jirard sure been name dropping a lot of them for years. Scam 100%.

[@thedastone1939]

I know! I lost count of how many charities names he said

[@yofyo]

the long con is to hold it for so long that their charity could continuously shave into it with 'administrative costs' until it was all gone

[@CubicIronPyrite]

The Scam achievement was not supposed to be completed.

[@lordoftheabyss44]

The funny part is he also mentioned that he made personal donations to certain organizations so if they're good enough for his money why isn't it also good enough for the money they're hoarding?

[@klaykid117]

I think the plan was to let it build up like a massive war chest and then one day rug pull and to run off somewhere with the money and retire. They honestly should have just War Dogs it They shouldn't have been waiting to go after the big pie They should have been donating it and then skimming enough off the top with administrative costs and nobody would know

[@lens_hunter]

Everytime he brings up his mom, every video he's made about mental health, every feel good thing he's put out, being a Nintendo creator and shaking hands with Miyamito recently, it's all sullied.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

He shook hands with who now???

[@ghostmexi007]

​@@DrawciaGleam02Miyamoto think he meant and he has also met Iwata

[@jonnyalec5646]

@@quickshticksstreaming6539 we got the completionists free PR puppet over here replying to everybody. Seppuko. Do it.

[@ARentz07]

​@@quickshticksstreaming6539???

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

Even all this type of stuff aside, he just seemed like an overal chill dude... Just another case of impressions not being worth anything but disappointment.

[@MistaBrandoVA]

I despise how people like Gilly the kid are villainizing Karl and Muta and generally attacking anyone who’s been critical or questioning Jirard, I don’t care if you’re all gaming reviewers in a friend circle you can’t excuse charity fraud. A real friend is someone that calls out their friend and gives it to them when they need it most, and you don’t accidentally not donate money as a tax free charity for a decade. This whole situation is terrible and I’m glad its been brought to the public. I wish people like Ant Dude wouldn’t grand stand how nice of a person Jirard has been to him personally and downplay something so deliberately malicious as a “simple mistake” when he should be more offended and show sympathy for the charities that were screwed over and the victims and relatives of Alzheimer’s and dementia patients that never got the support they needed.

[@mr.brenman2132]

Who is gilly the kid?

[@MistaBrandoVA]

@@mr.brenman2132 Another one of those gamer review guys, in the same circle as people like ant dude and jirard.

[@leon4000]

If some people would think outside the box, it's easy to see why Jared and Gilly immediately criticize them without research. There's always been people doing expose stuff just for the sake of clout. For Jared, it was his own experience with fake allegations and his actions originate there as to why he didn't want Jirard to be in that situation he was in. Once people get news like this, there is a lot of anger, but it's often reckless as people get volatile towards others who believe otherwise. Jared's case isn't as special as people might think, yet here we are. And people still forget that not all people have critical thinking skills as others.

[@Magnafiend]

@@leon4000 I do get why Jared is kind of immediately jumping to defend him, considering his own drama and essentially his character assassination based on entirely falsified evidence. A bit of a knee jerk reaction sure, but considering his own personal history with "expose" stuff, I get it. At the end of the day, this is all speculation based on public records and reverse engineering potential revenue based off of things like photos and assuming what kind of revenue would be made etc etc. I'm not saying that Muta is pulling shit out of his ass here, just saying that at the end of the day, we don't actually HAVE the golf tournament earnings, additional earnings from Indieland, etc etc. There definitely are pieces of the puzzle missing, and it definitely isn't looking good, but we don't have all the information and we don't know the full story (which won't come out until an official investigation is underway). I'm not saying something shady isn't going on here, or how much Jirard is actually involved or knowledgeable about it (there are multiple people involved with the organization. Jirard might not be involved with the tax filing side of things and considering it is a family charity, best case scenario he really was in the dark about the shady nature how the money was being handled until recently because he just took his family's word that the money was going to foundations and now he's basically just going radio silent due to lawyer advisement, worst case scenario actively knew something was off or was involved), just saying I kind of understand where some of the responses of people (specifically Jared) are kind of coming from with how a lot of expose pieces go and how little research or taking one side of things as truth can be without doing enough research. This clearly isn't the case with Muta and Karl, but still I can at least understand the initial reaction based on the history of how a lot of expose pieces tend to go or are organized.

[@finsterhund]

jirard: has a lot of big people who defend him no matter what jirard's defenders: he's such a nice guy nobody's ever brought up anything like this before (as far as we know) and I wonder why

[@jaxonterrace8263]

Honestly the jokes about Completing his whole career will never stop being funny to me

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

I give the completionist a rating of drum roll please “GO DONATE IT”.

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

I like kinda think his next video will be DKC2 with an aplogy at the end (if we're lucky a ukulele will be part of the aplogy)

[@Duskool]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 a ukelele cover of Stickerbrush symphony will be playing in the background of the apology

[@YukoValis]

After he gets sent to prison for 5 years. Judge: "No parole right? I'm assuming you'd want to complete your sentence"

[@DanielZ5]

Just wait till you get to him completing the manlove in jail DLC

[@nitro8611]

What’s so astonishing is that until this controversy Jirard had an impeccable reputation on KZbin and multiple large content creators have spoken highly of him including Charlie. To go from that to literal charity fraud is one of the wildest 180s I’ve ever seen

[@louthegiantcookie]

The brighter the picture, the darker the negatives.

[@brootalbap]

From the interview it became clear that he was obsessed and only focused on putting up a good image. All show, no substance.

[@PotaraGuy]

Hello??? Did you forget about G4 when he practically endorsed Frosk disowning his fans and insulting them? How is this a 180 when he already was doing the radio silence before when someone right in front of him told gamers to get lost? (Censored because KZbin). People forgot that, I keep having to mention it like people just didn't look into what kind of person he actually is. I don't even watch him and I can tell he's a load of crap.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@PotaraGuy Is any discussion surrounding that still up on KZbin?

[@thatHARVguy]

@@PotaraGuy Completionist: *people aren't allowed to ask about his connection to Frosk and G4TV* Also Completionist: *makes jokes about people dying in a submersible*

[@jameshalldorsson9695]

That's what we call money laundering, cleaning illegal funds by writing them off as tax free "Charity" donations. That family needs to be criminally investigated under RICO.

[@MononymousM]

They do need to be investigated, but I'm reliably informed that "it's never RICO".

[@MoogieSRO]

@@MononymousM I thought it was never Lupus?

[@OOhlUkaTmEImGanSTa]

I thought money laundering when they first claimed the money is in the account but hasn't been donated. Like they were intentionally holding a large balance and moving money in and out to clean it.

[@adamrogers6340]

​@@MoogieSROhi Dr house!

[@AdamH7]

It doesn't look like money laundering at all, they're not declaring much if-any revenue. If it was laundering there'd be excess money on their books, not missing funds. This is textbook embezzlement and a lot more than we all first assumed, the whole family is involved.

[@RemnantPriest]

“I assumed it was going to a charity, incorrectly.” Bro you and your brother run the “charity” Dudes a scammer and needs to go to jail

[@addiesworld1855]

Finally, part 3. Please keep working with Karl on this to expose scams in our community. Thank you.

[@ARentz07]

​@Pomni_SMG4Go back to making your better content, then

[@samanthal9114]

I see the Father Ted defense of "the money was just resting in my account" is going well for him.

[@mrgaudy1954]

Even Dougal knew how ridiculous that excuse was

[@matthewhanf3033]

Great reference!! 😂

[@yofyo]

the long con is to hold it for so long that their charity could continuously shave into it with 'administrative costs' until it was all gone

[@theobrominator]

@@mrgaudy1954beat me to it! 😂

[@AwesomeReshiram]

the money is sleeping shhh

[@vodgoblin]

Makes you really wonder about the instance of Jirard and Greg splitting up, dissolving their friendship in the process. People were so fast to villainize Greg when he departed from their show. Now it seems like he had good reason to distance himself from Jirard and is owed a pretty big apology from those who harassed him.

[@gregpenismith1248]

@@Jen-hen no one asked or cares.

[@xxtentagato8692]

Still, if Greg had left because he knew this was up, it would still make him look bad since he never said anything about this situation.

[@john1701q]

Jirard was putting gas in Greg's car, if you catch my drift.

[@hikawagetsbitches]

@@john1701qwhat does that mean

[@Maeshalanadae]

@@xxtentagato8692Could be he didn’t know about this particular situation, but other shit behind the scenes that would justify.

[@ThisSteveGuy]

This really has been a terrible weekend for KZbin grifters. First it was Karl Jobst and this video thoroughly taking down The Completionist, and then hbomberguy and Todd in the Shadows double-teamed James Somerton and more. And no, none of it is "drama". It's justice, at least as close as it gets on KZbin. It's entertaining, but it's also just great to see people take the time to do real investigative journalism, looking out for the community and standing up to these thieves. Thank you!

[@SavageGreywolf]

I'm a little surprised at the people calling stuff like this 'drama'. Like... no, pointing out illegal and unethical activities isn't "drama", it's JOURNALISM.

[@echidnablade]

We're just skipping the whole "innocent till proven guilty in a court of law" and straight to vigilante justice I see. Till there is a court case, people are correct that this is just drama.

[@ThisSteveGuy]

​@@echidnablade Nah. When somebody's acting like a piece of garbage, and the person's excuses make no logical sense, then we get to assume they're probably a piece of garbage. We're not imprisoning them or doing anything beyond just taking our own support away from them and talking about it. And let's be clear, all these channels have hurt other people, monetarily and otherwise. If you want to call it vigilante justice or whatever, fine, you do you. At least we're not defending scammers out of some parasocial desire to cape for them.

[@Christpuncher138]

Ladies and gentlemen

[@megancao5988]

Agreed

[@kyuubisgirl3232]

Wow, even hiding money gifted from Jamie Lee Curtis. I hope she sees this, tbh. This is disgusting.

[@AlanJ1993]

specially cuse all that money could have have gone to an actual charity she helps, Jirard is shameless.

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

Yeah, that's weird. I wonder if Jamie Lee Curtis might face auditing if the open hand is judged a fraud in court. I have no idea how any of this works.

[@Epic_C]

It would be interesting if they can reach her for her input. If they were legitimately scamming her too, that would blow this whole scam out of the water.

[@why_i_game]

As mentioned in this video, her org had a fiduciary duty to ensure the donated money would be used for the stated purpose (dementia research). Her org could be in legal trouble because of the money sitting in an account. The $25K is no doubt a small part of her orgs total resources, but it will be a thorn in her side. She may end up suing Open Hand over this, and I doubt she will make any further yearly donations.

[@Aerac]

@@why_i_game Yeah 25K in one year. Her org donated sums like that many times. 125K in total according to the clips Muta shows in the video. 14:40

[@theodoresmith3353]

“I couldn’t have committed a crime. That would be illegal.” Is my favorite defense.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Apparently if your illegal actions aren't caught right away, they magically become legal! 😂 If I steal from you but you don't notice soon enough, then I haven't stolen from you! ...Even if I haven't stopped stealing from you. If I start taking some of your money behind your back and it takes too long for you to catch it, stop it, and charge me...then I guess I officially have a pass to continue taking your money for as long as I want...?? 🤔 _(Yes, technically some crimes need to be officially charged within a certain window of time, like abuse cases...but that doesn't magically retroactively make the abusive actions legal.)_

[@TheIndulgers]

Even BEST case scenario, he would be a complete scumbag. If it is what it seemingly is… he is absolutely evil. Using a charity and your dead mother’s legacy to scam people.

[@Micfri300]

Who knows how the mother was viewed by his father.

[@SaucerheadTharp]

Good reporting! As a CPA and auditor I’m impressed by the level of creative and investigative thought you’ve put into creating rough estimates of reportable income. Well done. As a KZbin gaming consumer I think Jirard Is heading down Cryotic’s path and unless he shows the goods or is able to separate himself from the activities of his family, he and his company are fucked.

[@Inkcubi]

As an auditor myself, I found the use of public records to be interesting. I did not appreciate the accusations of breaking the law! As this causes a hate mob and skews the information to be very bias. However, do I think something is wrong? Yes, something is amiss with the records presented and should peak any accountants or auditors professional skepticism. However, this is ignoring what COULD be occurring! As our job does not allow us to judge someone before they are guilty. My take is that we dont have all the evidence, public records for a single company are one aspect. There could be multiple entities involved e.g. Jirad's father's company is collecting the money from the golf tournament for the charity on its behalf to donate later (this is allowable and timing is but one aspect of this). Another point would to be explain the rules around charities and how charities are allowed to hold onto a reserve before donating to research (again this is speculative and very basic concepts any other one well versed in audit should know) Do I think the above is what is occurring, very very very unlikely and I'd need sustainable appropriate audit evidence to conclude this as satisfactory otherwise it would result in an ACR.

[@SaucerheadTharp]

@@Inkcubi From the position of management's assertions of completeness, I was impressed that the hypothetical income from the demonstrated sources is well in excess of what was reported, considering both Jirard's charitable activities and his dad's golf tournament supposedly funneled money into the same entity. For me, red flags abound. At this point, the ball is in Open Hand's court to demonstrate another of management's assertions: existence. One bank statement would demonstrate that they actually have the money claimed. While the legal case for locking down is obvious, the PR case for proving you have the money at the very least is monumental.

[@iiimaskyiii7816]

@@Inkcubigo watch more of Mutas content. He breaks down and takes a look at public legal documents bc those an irrefutable side of the story. Granted I’m no auditor, but showing legal docs doesn’t automatically send a hate mob or whatever, muta doesn’t have that kind of community. I get what you’re saying, but you can’t say they’re baseless accusations. This is the second or third video he’s done on the completionist and he has more now, which turns out the dudes a scammer. So your comment didn’t age well lmao

[@TGPinoyPride]

Jirard answering that phone call must be one of the biggest regrets in his life lol

[@Dre2Dee2]

If that is his biggest regret with the things he's done, put him under the jail

[@ashurad_fox5991]

pretty much, and also him tweeting and posting video about how much funds was raised... Because anyone with experience in accounting will find these trails at one point, and piece it back together. (people who do their own taxes, IT students/professionals, accounting students/professionals, and more)

[@pepinowhite5014]

He probably thought he would seem suspicious if he didn’t take the call. Definitely worked in his favor lmao

[@Kilmarro]

It is certainly up there on his lawyer's list.

[@elio7610]

It really seems odd to me, I can only assume he just did not grasp how much trouble he was in, innocent or not.

[@the_sane_and_logical_hooligan]

This might explain why Jirard has to have his yearly Mea culpa where he talks about how he’s so depressed and just needs to fix things. Leading a fraudulent scam will do a lot to one’s mental health.

[@tomas60952]

Yeah those im depressed guys are almost every time the worst

[@ram89572]

Not really. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand humans as a species. Humans have the ability to do all manner of things be them good or bad and completely rationalize the behavior and walk away with no issue. For me personally, I would have no problems at all if I ever needed to kill someone. If someone does something to me to get me to that point where I would, then I can safely say it won't make me lose an ounce of sleep. That is my personality. The other side of it is that I absolutely can't stand thieves and despise stealing/thievery. Obviously Jirard is the type of person who is perfectly fine with stealing from others to enrich himself and his family. A classic manipulator who can rationalize it away as just "well they should have been smart enough to not give me the money" This is the nature of humanity. Some good, some bad, some gray, and a whole lot of rationalizing things to make them work for your individual advantage. Humans are all on a ladder trying to reach the top and they don't care how many others they have to stomp on just to make it that extra half an inch higher. That is the nature of the species. You've got to stop trying to pretend there is some natural good

[@dragoneye6229]

@@ram89572 "Some *good*, some bad, some grey..." Also: "You've got to stop trying to pretend there is some natural good." What was that about understanding humans? Whatever book you read that paraphrased statement from should be tossed into the garbage. It's author is not nearly as brilliant as you, or they, think they are.

[@MIDO44444]

@@ram89572 bro guilt trips exist also if someone needed to kill someone they may experience trauma or fear from it even tho you wouldnt that doesnt mean some people wont and I have seen it alot from cops who shot a suspect charging at them with a deadly weapon even if it was reasonable, you seem to have a big misunderstanding on how human emotions work each individual experience different emotions and reacts differently to things we cant generalize it Also : quit thinking everyone think only for themselves thats not how humans are,we are social creatures and even tho there are outliners who are just selfish there is alot of people who will head in first to help someone in need and not everyone is trying to reach the top I would argue very few try that the majority just wants stability and to live a peaceful and quiet life

[@ram89572]

@@dragoneye6229 Since you clearly didn't understand what I said, I'll break it down for you. "Some good, some bad, some gray..." refers to actions of individuals. It does not mean "good people, bad people, gray people." "Natural good" in this context is referring to the stupid crap that a bunch of people believe that humans are inherently good. You sometimes see this on the personality tests administered in job applications phrased something like "I believe all people are good" (with a 5 point agree to disagree scale to select from). And finally at no point did I mention reading a book. I have the capability to look at people and understand just how shit the species is without help from some unnamed book. Perhaps you are the one not nearly as brilliant as you think you are.

[@GamingtheOtter]

You know this just makes everyone feel even worse to those who gave the completionist Jirard the benefit of the doubt. Does he think this is going to blow over? $650k doesn't just go away without people asking questions especially to charity. Really hope the money gets to the research asap and Jirard better speak up. This is terrible.

[@revalution1965]

This goes well beyond wishful thinking he’s not donating a dime lolol

[@paulghignon4092]

He's not saying anything because he doesn't want to incriminate himself even more than he has. He's already admitted that he knew the money was missing for over a year, that alone is a big problem if this lands in criminal court.

[@wape1]

​@seaweedskewer A public statement crafted by lawyers doesn't mean much. It'll be a slight variation of: _"My client is shocked by the allegations leveled at him and is fully co-operating with the authorities."_

[@Zanroff]

I don't think there is any money.

[@wape1]

@seaweedskewer Definitely agree that his career on YT is finished either way, further announcements would only serve to incriminate himself further. I was surprised that he even agreed to the interview, he probably still hoped that only the gaming-related grift was exposed. It's hard to predict what's going to happen in the future, since at the moment we don't even know how many people inside and outside Jirard's family are connected to the scheme.

[@DoughnutDavid]

I remember working during the pandemic, my job involved helping abused and neglected elders get connected to resources while we were on lockdown. In Northern California resources for dementia and other cognitive related issues are so difficult to receive. I personally spoke with numerous charity and public ran organizations regarding these issues, and donations were in desperate need. Even 10k would have benefited dozens of lives during the brief window I had experienced these conversations, imagining how much hundreds of thousands of dollars would have helped is so extremely sad. I'm like unironically heartbroken. Man this really fucking sucks. TY for sharing.

[@babygravey]

This point isn't been made often enough, even without all the other fraud, saying we just have donated the money, that money they are holding onto could of helped so many people in the meantime that's repugnant on a moral level

[@kinkanalchemist]

Thank you so much for the work you've done :)

[@polocatfan]

Nope. not risking my money when shit like this is happening. give an actual product

[@petercaliendo3359]

My grandmother died earlier this week from complications of her own dementia. The fact that someone who has also gone through this and with his own mother no less, can do this type of shit is infuriating.

[@revalution1965]

She probably never even had dementia, let’s be honest here. if he saw her suffering w it and then went on to scam people then that just makes him more of a POS

[@andrewbunch2394]

I’m very sorry for your loss. Best wishes to you and your family

[@TheBigjimable]

Yeah man. I think thats what stings the most.

[@Grewyn7]

There is actually no documented evidence that his mother passed away from dementia or complications of it. And since he's been caught in several lies already, it's quite easy to distrust all of his claims, including that one.

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

Sorry for your loss, brother, be well and take care out there

[@TheThunderwesel]

the absolutely insane part to me is that if they had just donated the money from livestreams and stuff then they couldve probably continued to keep the money from the golf tournament and merch without anyone ever really catching on.

[@GamingVids1984]

Very true. If they make any donations at all, it probably never gets looked into.

[@DangericeDreams]

We went from “why haven’t they donated the money” to “something weird is up” to “this is a straight up scam.” Well, that escalated quickly.

[@starkillerjedi5486]

All within a span of two weeks.

[@jakkandjing]

Not really, Muda and Karl we're trying to give benefit of doubt from the start. It's been radio silence from Jirard and of course people have been giving the bigger picture a closer look in the meantime. The community can only speculate as we look at the bigger picture

[@CheeseinatorGaming]

literally ain't no way you watched the full video

[@austensmith3330]

It is a scam lol

[@graydanger]

10 years of lying... I think it escalated very slowly.

[@rault114]

I did my own research based on their publicly accessible tax documents, and I found around $200K that went unreported across the ten years this "foundation" has operated. If we ever could get hard numbers on the stream stuff, I'm betting there's at least a million in missing money.

[@_Teej_264]

Consider making that into a document that you can send and have it featured in the next update video

[@markjones3809]

just go to the video jirard made "I BOUGHT ALL THE NES LIBRARY BEFORE THE SHOP GOT TURNED OFF" he literally is bragging about spending hella money.

[@wormguy1283]

legalized theft doctrine is missing

[@wormguy1283]

crlmlnaI amaIgamatlons being furloughed by law enforcement bureaucrats

[@ceruleannova1155]

the funniest part is, if it's only like 200-300k they stole, they could have done that completely legally by giving themselves a salary for their work lmfao.

[@makeminemint]

I've been in the care-giving field a very long time, and have a lot of personal experiences with dementia, it's nothing to screw around with. It hurts those who suffer with it and their loved ones. I used to respect Jirard so much, but this has tanked that. Even being generous with the possibility there was pressure from the family to not act sooner, it's still scummy. As much as it hurts, thank you both again, truly and deeply, for investigating and bringing this to attention. Money needs to go to actual research and not lining pockets of the undeserved.

[@kinkanalchemist]

As someone who lost a grandfather to Alzhiemers, thank you so much for your service

[@morallybankrupt1461]

The fact he used a family tragedy to take money from people is a new level evil.

[@antoniovasquez9454]

Born yesterday huh?

[@Moon_Presence]

New level of evil?? Getting money out of sympathy, isn't new LOL

[@electricfishfan]

Idk. I understand how being dropped into a dark place by an act of random tragedy could erode someone’s values and make extreme actions feel justified. What’s surprising to me is how long this has dragged on if it is fully a scam. Knowing you are guilty for that long would require so much cognitive dissonance that it’d be constantly retraumatizing.

[@Polydueces]

I'm not here to jump on the bandwagon, but I've never trusted charities of any kind. Just because a charity has a nice face doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly trust it.

[@bkstaxman]

What is so nefarious is that if you go back and listen to Jirard in the first 10 min of the video where he is saying that they donate to these specific organizations, his verbiage is always so muddled. Multiple times it sounds like he almost says specifically "the money goes to these organizations" or something explicit like that, but he stops just short to say they "work with" these organizations or something less than a direct lie. *This guy absolutely knew what he was doing the entire time.*

[@Slightly_Decent]

That's how people get away with manipulation. Most people don't take notice of specific wording until all the dirty details come out and only then do we realize just how deeply we've been played from the start. The best way to prevent manipulation is being aware of the tactics and helping others understand it too.

[@economicalgamer8187]

Lesson to be learnt If you wish to Donate Directly donate to your local Charities instead of KZbinrs/Streamers And also do some background check on those local charities as well

[@xevysilverwind9494]

Well to be fair when most streamers/youtubers run charity events/streams your money does not go to them at all. It goes directly to the charity and the stream just tracks the donations. But I would agree to never donate to a charity organization owned by a content creator.

[@garygelthaus]

just dot donate. Charities dont give your money. They keep basically all of it to pay their wages. Thats why its dumb people are tripping about this as if its any differnet from others. Do you think when you give 100 bucks to the aspca or something that they spend it all on medicine for the animals? no. They pay their checks with it to keep theb scam going

[@reiddutchess9955]

Their revenue clearly doesn’t reflect their actual revenue, regardless of what any expenses are. CLEARLY money is being removed before being documented as revenue, so at this point it is most important to determine who is manipulating that money and how it is being used/spent/distributed. That right there is likely where the criminal activity is occurring, assuming they aren’t just wildly incompetent at accounting.

[@codegeek98]

Yeah, the "soft fraud" of leaving money in a (charity owned) savings account is nothing compared to actually personally running off with money stolen from fundraising events

[@ktutran8256]

Damn Jamie Lee's organization be giving out money like a proper charity. Much respect

[@Hypez242]

I've worked in a care homes and dementia is no joke this is abhorrent

[@ScubaFanatic60]

My Mom has dementia. It's a terrible disease. This is so wrong.

[@krazybonnie5523]

I mean maybe, but questionable too, donating to a private instiution but declaring it as a public charity is very sus Not saying she is aware of open hand's crimes, but seems like bare minimum something the IRS would be interested in

[@wolfiemuse]

Based on the amount of charities that were listed that she was donating to, it seems like there were just a LOT and at some point, if a charity tells you that they’re a public charity, you just accept it as true. Then when one sneaks in and screws you, it doesn’t necessarily make it your fault. She’s probably way too busy to know anything about Open Hand

[@Wastingsometimehere]

@@krazybonnie5523 She has good intentions, but that doesn't mean she can't be scammed like everyone else. She's a busy actress and this is side work remember.

[@Hobnobrob10]

I wonder how much of this charity money is going to lawyers now

[@sumotony]

Don't worry, they will probably scam the lawyers with poverty claim, late payment, bank transfer problems etc

[@Dre2Dee2]

0, because it was all spent a very very long time ago Really the sad part is he might not get to try the new Tesla he pre-ordered since he'll be in jail

[@mage1439]

Spending any of it on lawyers would just be another massive crime to throw onto the pile.

[@doddsino]

Hopefully Jirard is enough of a completionist to complete his prison sentence.

[@kristianferencik8685]

Probably but he'll be senior citizen

[@SpicerJack]

His KZbin channel is making $$ and has lots of solid sponsorships. It feels weird that he would intentionally steal this money, he doesn't seem to be living all that lavishly. If he is he is, but I'm interested to find out more. I also think it might be an organizational failure or his father. But, he might just be a scammer too. We'll see, I guess.

[@maineman5757]

​@SpicerJack I mean, Logan Paul has infinite more money than Jirard, and that doesn't stop him from scaming

[@SpicerJack]

@@Flash_Biggest_Hater either that or one of the people who works for him messed up the books and put the money in the larger budget or something. He does have a number of employees and was doing a bunch of G4 tv stuff on top of all of the stuff he was already doing. He might be a scammer himself, but yeah I think it is probably more likely an organizational or family thing.

[@DeepThinker193]

Jirard: "Hey guys, I finally completed my prison sentence. It took 15 Years, 22Hrs and 15 minutes."

[@dermegger7733]

That physical copy of Persona 4 is really just vibing.

[@ambrnonya]

It's good to know that charity fraud and spitting on the memory of the mother is a family business.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Well, it’s good to see it exposed ….

[@PauloFassina]

I just wanted to point out an error on your interpretation of the Tiltify money. Tiltify mentions in their policy that 100% of the money is sent to the charity in real-time, and that Tiltify's processing fee is paid after the money is wired. Thus, the full 100% of the money disclaimed on Tiltify should be counted as revenue, and the 5% processing fee as cost.

[@phlogistanjones2722]

ow..... THAT does not make things better.... :)

[@Woodlouse81]

I also wondered about the less than 5% though (lets assume just under 5), some could be well over 5 and some well under rigth, as its an average.

[@Bl4ckD0g]

​@@Woodlouse81according to Tiltify, it should never be over 5%. So Muta ran with the 5% max to be as charitable to Open Hand as he could, but there's still huge discrepancies.

[@spaceninja3252]

​@@MegaFan5what kind of mistakes? Genuinely curious as I would love to imagine Girard isn't as scummy as this makes him look

[@devious9113]

@@MegaFan5 Maybe you shouldn't talk about what you don't know either. This isn't financial advice; they aren't advising you on how to spend your money. They are using public documents to point out the gaping holes in the Open Hand Foundation's financial records. Misinterpretation of the way Tiltify processes the transaction fees is a minor error in the grand scheme of things and doesn't magically absolve Jirard and his family of the tens, or even hundreds of thousands, of dollars that never made it to the Open Hand Foundation's bank account. And if they ever do get sued, it would not be for providing unqualified financial advice; it would be for defamation. Though such a lawsuit would probably go nowhere since there's plenty of public documents and personal admission by Jirard of his family's negligence with the Open Hand Foundation and its charity obligations.

[@GrayD_Fox]

This is so insane. Jiard sounds like he’s on the verge of crying, also it’s really bitchy his reaction to learning the money isn’t donated is “hey that’s not cool”. Like if I learned I’ve been decided I’d get pissed, not “hey that’s no good.”

[@deadpool3982]

And then continuing to say they were supporting foundations that he knew they weren’t after supposedly finding out really doesn’t make him look good

[@Bl4ckD0g]

It sounded like someone who was caught with his pants down, and was saying things to not look as bad.

[@gallow_walker]

The way he talks like he just got caught up in some petty youtube drama, and not that he's being accused of a decade-long charity scam is bizarre and honestly really telling.

[@aero6104]

You should bring somebody on that has experience in accounting, as I feel it'd add a lot to have somebody that can speak super confidently on this

[@IzraelGraves]

The most honest thing it feels like Jirard has said here was "it doesn't fucking matter you're going to say whatever you want anyway". He's not wrong; the evidence against him is so strong, no matter what he says, even if its a perfect reason, it'll sound like an excuse. Its also why he can't go donate it immediately, because it'll look like he's just scrambling to get out of it. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, even IF he's completely innocent in this situation... But thats a big, BIG if. Not having the entirety of the money, if these numbers in this video are accurate, would be the OTHER reason he can't donate. It's so suspicious all over the place. And its not his first time being a greedy piece of shit, either. OGs remember he started his channel on the back of a man who was infinitely funnier than he was, and they split because he refused to pay him more after they started making real money. He's a garbage greed person.

[@ImmacHn]

Not even that, Mutahar is not saying whatever he wants, just what the facts point to.

[@IzraelGraves]

@@ImmacHn Yeah, he's not, but he could and it wouldn't matter.

[@lnflnltyLegend]

Anyone ever get Greg to talk about their split btw? I've aaaaalways been pretty sus of Jirard for how hush hush he's always about about it.

[@IzraelGraves]

@@lnflnltyLegend Greg was forced to sign an NDA via legal threats but he still managed to release a few tweets confirming this was entirely over Jirard not wanting to give him money. The channel blew up because of Gregs personality, and it really shows in the following episodes; Jirard has a tenth of that personality. Greg wanted to be paid *the same* as Jirard, as a co-host of the show. Jirard said no, its his show.

[@FlutterBug]

I think donating it all ASAP would be a much better look because at least it would prove they actually have the money, I think continuing not to donate it just, as you said, makes it look more like they don't actually have it

[@bluecandyart8596]

ProJared is going to be so mad when he doesn't see this video.

[@emlyndewar]

😂

[@leon4000]

You guys are too immature. While I know Projared effed up. What's just as effed up is you guys joking on him for standing up for who he believed is a friend. I had people backing me up, so I can relate and understand to why Jared did that. You guys are looking for too much bad news lately. And don't give me that other crud. Right now, it's definitely a bummer all around.

[@TheoreticalEdits]

@@leon4000oh shut up. Blatantly defending a friend just because they’re a friend is so bullshit. Everything’s online for him to see. It’s his choice to ignore that and back him and everyone’s in their right to call him an idiot for that.

[@Bert_Bertsson]

​@leon4000 blindly defending someone without watching the video with the accusations is a clown move.

[@BasedSakurai2024]

​@@leon4000how can anyone expect to take you seriously with an anime pfp lmao

[@UnknownSpooky]

From what I understand, the Open Hand Foundation evolves into the Closed Hand Foundation once you put enough money in their hands

[@LilacMonarch]

yup, evolves on level up when holding 1 million$

[@Silicant]

Gold comment

[@Havokwreaker]

80th like yw

[@chadd990]

The biggest scam he pulled was making people think hes a good person

[@thatlonzoguy]

Text book manipulator

[@theunknowman12]

Gotta appear to be a nice person so there's less chance of someone discovering you're running a scam

[@MasDouc]

That's how grifting works

[@EighmyLupin]

I feel so bad for all those who donated, the devs who basically had their games used to scam people, and even Jamie.

[@dsouth7754]

I know the Arzette guy from an old forum he once admin'ed on. He did the Zelda CD-I fan remasters so I know he put his heart and soul into Arzette. I'm happy that he got the exposure as an indie game dev, but he would be heartbroken to know money raised from them playing his game didn't actually go to dementia research.

[@brianyaeger8209]

When this story first broke, I was under the assumption that it was a case of incompetence and not malice It’s starting to look the other way around with every new piece of information that has come out

[@sintanan469]

I had hoped it was a case of incompetence/obliviousness on Jirard's case since he wasn't actually part of the organization staff at the time and it was a case of his family lying to him... But Jirard says he was on the charity's board in 2021/2022... makes it real tough to think it is incompetence at this point. It sucks. I've been a fan of Jirard for years, even chatted with him in streams before.

[@Bootlickersticker]

It never seemed like incompetence to me. If he’s name dropping charities why would he not know where to donate to? Clearly avoiding donating money that isn’t there. Obviously we know why but I can’t believe jirard thought people would buy that

[@rault114]

@@sintanan469 He's been one of the directors of the foundation since it was created.

[@sintanan469]

@@rault114 Was he? I heard he wasn't part of the board of directors until recently. Ah well, more evidence against him..

[@rault114]

@@sintanan469 Yeah, he's listed as a director in their tax filings going back to when they first started reporting as a non-profit.

[@WalaStika]

If you counted how many times Mutahar said "again," it still wouldn't equal the amount of money Jirard stole from donors.

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

The downfall from being a loved content creator to a total scumbag for fraud is something admiring, now it makes sense that Karl Jobst made a video about him considering Jirard made a speedrun for his downfall

[@OutsiderAus10]

Jirard is now the living definition of "don't judge a book by it's cover"

[@Buttersaemmel]

well, let's see if he gets booked by a judge.

[@Brinta3]

*its

[@probablyjinxed]

you’re right, i shouldn’t have judged him for his name. for a guy who calls himself “the completionist” he ain’t completing diddly SHIT

[@hctaz]

@@probablyjinxed I dunno, man. Tbh he might end up completing life soon if this situation keeps getting worse.

[@henveeee]

​@@hctazthats just really sad

[@Patrick-857]

These charitable organisations are a big loophole. Why do you think so many rich and famous people have them, and why politicians have them.

[@tigerex777]

Money laundering

[@SuigaRou]

I thought it was because they're all good people who want to make the world a better pl-😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I couldn't even finish writing it.

[@DaemonicSavior]

Don't worry. Projared is gonna clear all this up i'm sure.

[@MoistNasa]

Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time (thank god)

[@mythoceanas8874]

Charity scams, or even questionable practices, need to be addressed quickly because the longer the issues linger, the more damage is done to legitimate charities because public trust is affected.

[@xzylo451]

I do wonder if this is why Greg left the Completionist.

[@Dre2Dee2]

He probably did the same thing Muta pointed out here to Greg: lied about how much money the channel was making, and was pocketing most of it Greg found out, wanted his share of the REAL TOTAL AMOUNT, and Completionist keep lying and scamming, so he left

[@xzylo451]

@@Dre2Dee2 That would be interesting, but that potential reason goes quite a ways beyond the purview of the current situation. Greg left about one year after the Open Hand Foundation was founded, so that's why I brought Greg up. That said, the only way to really begin to know why is for Greg to make a statement of his own.

[@DashingToJapan]

​@xzylo451 the issue is that if you watch Jacob's vid on this, he shows the last few years lined up. And the first few years it seemed to be above board except for the not donating part. Its just after 2018 things started getting getting really fishy and obviously scammy.

[@akostarelas]

Greg actually did leave because Jirard was greedy with money and gave Greg no credit for co-creating the show. I stopped watching Jirard after he did that to one of his best friends. Greg was the entertaining one anyway.

[@Teslina4Studios]

Why would he say "we're not touching any of it" multiple times? Isn't that implied when donating to charity? Looking at it now it's pretty clear they did this intentionally. Thanks to you and carl for doing the work

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

Not touching it beside having massive expenses for a charity event that Jirard hailed in the beginning as trying to reduce costs in any way possible (the venue was leased for free, the games were received for free from developers etc)

[@Kyle_116]

Because when you donate to a charity (not specifically Open Hand, any charity), only a certain percentage of your donation will actually go to charity. I'd say for most organizations, like 25-50% of your donation will go to expenses such as management and the staff pay.

[@asssnatch9171]

yep just easier capital rules for elites

[@theturtle8869]

What an actual scumbag. Regular folks work hard to earn their money and willingly offer it believing that they are helping a good cause. It’s blatant theft.

[@RuSosan]

His fans are now in full copium mode, trying to argue semantics over "It's not theft but embezzlement so it ain't that bad, and atleast ge didn't spend the money." Such tools. I will gloat the everliving shit out of them once they're cornered with the facts becoming undeniable.

[@leon4000]

​@@RuSosanDo not bother, they'll learn one way or another.

[@peterbatten596]

Like I said on Karl’s last update, “Wow…I seen the beginning of when this first started on Muta’s channel and it’s disgusting. It takes a special kind of person not just to steal from charity, but using his mother to create the very definition of death profit. We call them demented sociopaths (the irony). Definitely subscribed. Keep on exposing what should never have to have been unearthed. You have my support.”

[@Rationalityislost101]

The tragedy of it is that his family went through a real painful loss. Think about how many good will gestures that were likely given, internships, scholarships --- heck just within KZbin community itself that life experience was used to help in networking. There comes a point where one has to question whether Jirard saw it as a grace to receive people's empathy or if he was entitled to it and that perspective helped justify the means taken to intentionally deceive people who sought to donate to a good cause.

[@peterbatten596]

@@Rationalityislost101 I can wholeheartedly agree with you on that. Someone who donated hundreds posted a comment on Karl’s video where they already gathered all proof and documentation along with filing a formal complaint along with a civil suit and will give updates. He’s not just in legal trouble, he and whoever else gets exposed are going to have A LOT of good hearted people angered. I don’t condone any violence or harassment towards any said individuals, but I hope everything else comes down on them as hard as it can, why? Because THEY CHOSE this, not the good hearted people and communities.

[@polocatfan]

I literally called out The Completionist years ago for using his mom's death for youtube views and everyone got mad at me and said I was being insensitive. I feel so elated at the fact I was totally right about this, but also super pissed off I'm not gonna be apologized to.

[@ExValeFor]

bro just quoted himself

[@peterbatten596]

@@polocatfan I know that feeling. Nothing with this or on KZbin, but with other “sensitive” subjects and people get wrapped up in their emotions and then when it keeps surfacing even though it was a true statement, they do this weird thing where you stay crucified but now everyone else is validated? I don’t get people and their pride/ego/what have you, it’s what’s either right or wrong. So yea, sorry you feel that way but it’s still better that you said it out than to ignore something you feel is wrong.

[@DG-ss2zd]

Muta, i would suggest letting the golf sponsors and Jamie Lee Curtis know about this, they will be obligated to conduct due diligence on where their donation went.

[@Grewyn7]

This. JLC likely has a team of investigators & attorneys (or certainly has the money to employ them) that can work hand in hand with any relevant agency. And those major drink companies are going to be pretty ticked off that their donations didn't go to the causes they were lead to believe. And they definitely have the aforementioned teams to go after folks. Jirard and his family are so screwed. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were fleeing the country

[@supercereal1]

@@Grewyn7don’t get the drink companies that much credit. They will only care to go after the open hands foundation if they end up losing value for associating with them. The company couldn’t give any more of a shit where the money went as long as the association increases their revenue. JLC might care because maybe she was completely in the dark about this and would get the ball rolling but the brands? Give me a break. With that said, Sure would make me want to buy a coke/monster/dr pepper/snapple/7-up if someone were to investigate the open hands foundation

[@andrewwhyte7130]

​@supercereal1 worst comes to worst, imagine how it looks to see a corporation like coke, give to a scamming charity. If audits sniff involvement, tax issues and pr issues will go wild fast

[@Adamandcalebinc]

Dont let them hide from this. Spread the word and report them.

[@thedastone1939]

If it gets on national news, then they’ll have to take a case against him

[@Carrion0409]

Im doing my part !!

[@KJ-je9pm]

Well done with this investigation! This just goes deeper and I don't think Jirard can save himself now. Being silent for this long just really means that something shady happened with all the donation money.

[@Alfred-Neuman]

I agree with you, it's great to have some people that are not trusting everything they see and doing proper investigation when something is suspicious. I just hope Muta is really careful in the next few days because it's not just like he investigated some dude in the italian mafia, this guy is part of the gaming/streaming community! That's probably one of the most unhinged group of people in the whole world!

[@AlbedoAtoned]

Not going to lie. The idea of somebody using the name of a loved one, especially one's own mother or wife to commit international charity fraud for years is so cartoonishly evil to me, like it's Persona 5 villainy imo. On another topic, I see a lot of people bringing up Greg and why he left. From what I remember, the drama started because Greg had a kid on the way and he asked for more pay, at least temporarily since he helped create the Completionist alongside Jirard. Before then, he had never thought to get any sort of contract because he believed Jirard was his friend and that it wasn't necessary. However, because of this, he had no job security and as a result Jirard practically fired him. Jirard then goes onto KZbin and says Greg left willingly and that they were still good friends, but Greg immediately refutes that on Twitter saying how he was initially going to just move on, but hearing Jirard try to save face by lying got him to speak up. In particular, Greg denies that they were still friends, and he denied leaving willingly and claimed it was over money and he said Jirard was not the man he thought he was. Turns out, friendship didn't seem to mean much to Jirard, rather what he cared most about was saving face. And personally, considering how well off Jirard and his family is, as well as how successful TOVG was at the time, I don't think it was unreasonable for Greg to ask for fair pay. When Jirard put his public image above doing the right thing or even just shutting up about it, that was when Greg asked to have the videos removed. Greg didn't want Jirard making money using Greg's likeness and also Greg didn't seem to want to have that be all he was known for. Unfortunately, Jirard's fans have harassed Greg for years. No matter where he went, he received hate from people angry that he dared to harm Jirard's public image, or mad that they can't watch those older episodes on KZbin anymore (though these videos are all archived in several places so if you really wanted to see them you could). On the speculation he knew what was going on. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that Greg was somehow in the know about Jirard scamming people. And if he did, I don't think he would have remained silent about it either. If he did actually know, then it would not reflect well on his character either. And since he was no longer friends with Jirard, he would have had no incentive to stay quiet.

[@Chronokage]

I wounder if this scam was a contributing factor of Greg (long ago former co-host) leaving. If the wiki correct, he left a few months after open hand going from private to public. It may also explain why their departure was so mysterious (similar to when Jon Tron left game grumps level of mysterious).

[@matthewmartin8276]

According to his comments, there were legal things limiting what he could say, but he claimed it “had to do with money and how it was being allocated”. Greg actually shows up in some pics at the golf tournament, so I’d bet all of open hand’s misrepresented funds that he found out and left.

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

We know why Jon left

[@kaobasa]

I've thought the same thing. Jirard even went so far as to completely scrub him from past episodes by redoing them entirely from what i recall. There seemed to be a lot of animosity as well. I almost wonder at this point if there wasn't some kind of blackmail involved as well to keep Greg quiet.

[@grunkleg.2934]

Imagine if it turns out Greg was the guy who tipped off this case to Karl

[@chavaspada]

I've been saying this at every video. Greg warned us about Jirard being money hungry a DECADE ago. But everyone just went "hurr durr fat beard man can't be bad" and ignored him.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Greg cutting ties with Jirard was the smartest move he ever made. I just hope Alex and Brett and the other people who work there are innocent.

[@ChiefTakinawa]

That’s my only concern at this point as well.

[@adityaunnava4304]

Who's greg? I'm not familiar with the completionist lore.

[@someguynamedtrevor6081]

​ @adityaunnava4304 Greg used to be a cohost for the completionist, and back in 2015, he and Jirard had a falling out :edit: it was 2014 my bad

[@kurikuraconkuritas]

@@someguynamedtrevor6081do you know why they had that falling out?

[@Myjordandsavior]

​@@kurikuraconkuritasfrom what I've gathered it was due to... money! Greg wanted to be paid the same as Jirard and got told no, even though he was a cohost. Just what I've seen from commenters, I don't know much more than that.

[@beardedshadow]

I can see it coming: he'll say that he had no idea about the money, that it's all his father's fault, and he'll try to garner sympathy from people. And, sadly, he will get sympathy from morons out there; we know he will.

[@pepinowhite5014]

In this day and age all you need is enough charisma and charm and you can usually get away with anything

[@DresdenShuffle]

Those people charmed by him already believed him anyways. Nothing lost from those people.

[@madeinmicrosoftpaint]

@@pepinowhite5014 in this day and age? hasn't it been that way always?

[@neoasura]

@@madeinmicrosoftpaint No, there used to be a time when shitty behavior was frowned upon by the public, regardless of how popular they were. Not as much devotion into para social relationships like kids today;

[@sebay4654]

Either way in my opinion he's either guilty of negligence and willful ignorance even if he was actually unaware or he is guilty of charity fraud and financial fraud and manipulation of the public either way in my mind he's guilty