The cult of personality; a possible problem with Britain’s Reform UK party and Nigel Farage

[@musthaveacamel2157]

If Nigel is not interested in mass Deportation's . I'm not interested in Nigel

[@williamtell6750]

Are you interested in him staying out of prison?

[@drstrangelove4998]

Yes but nobody else is even going to stop the boats, 😅neither Labour or the Tories even want to leave, to take the first step and drop the ECHR, so they’ll take us absolutely nowhere.

[@illegalsmirf]

@@williamtell6750 Yes of course, the country needs radical change ( or 'reform') but our leaders need to be very careful to stay out of jail and avoid hurting their careers. LOL what a farce

[@WilfTompkins5546]

Ah hah, we call it remigration nowadays, it"s more palatable.

[@EvenBigger-Brother]

Mr Farage stood up for the rights of the people . flexing the right of the independent press to disseminate the incoming small boats during lockdown , the whole country should be standing with Farage on that one act alone . Personality is irrelevant when a person stands up for the peoples rights against government intimidation. and suppression .

[@carlitor4173]

Rupert lowe is killing it in Parliament, i can only see good things coming if more like him are elected and that only going to happen with reform mps, not career politicians

[@TonyYorkshire-y1y]

Agree. Absolutely brilliant man. His only downside is he's 67.

[@DavidJohnThompson]

Remind me, how old is Donald Trump?​@@TonyYorkshire-y1y

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He is a good chap.

[@TJspaceman]

Yeah Lee Anderson isn't a career politician

[@carlitor4173]

@@TJspaceman 1 person 🤷 who had a job outside politics,

[@HenryWilkinson-c5n]

Rupert Lowe would make an excellent Prime Minister, he’s definitely fighting for us that’s for sure. 👍

[@bettyswunghole3310]

National interests before personal interests...a rare commodity in contemporary politics.

[@HenryWilkinson-c5n]

@ Indeed Betty, He also donates the entirety of his MP salary to a different local charity or worthy cause each month and regards Oliver Cromwell as his hero as he was "a great guy, a great leader and always stood up for what he believed in.” Could he possibly get any more likeable? 👍

[@kenjohnston2531]

It's Reform or bust at this stage. Not enough time to establish another party. If Nigel dropped dead tomorrow Rupert Lowe could fill his shoes, or better still, Ben Habib could rejoin and lead the party.

[@hadoken5402]

You voters will never learn.

[@nicnaimhin2978]

@@hadoken5402Do you have an alternative suggestion?

[@1x3dil]

I can understand why Simon is making the point , but it’s often the person who leads any party that needs be liked. Or at least in the beginning I hasten to add , but with a new party it’s no wonder it needs a head start . If it’s lucky and becomes established I see no reason why in future it be lead by someone else . It’s what they do as a party that will be the deciding factor , but again this is the beauty of Simons channel because it throws lots of ideas around in a constructive approach .

[@hadoken5402]

@@nicnaimhin2978 Train like war is going to happen, stop feeding this evil machine. If politics is your answer, then vote for genuine right wingers and balance the scales. At the moment the public are heading for communism and alan's snack bar. Reform are left wing, run by a toff and it's chairman is a muslim, while the toffs that hate us allow islamic invasion. A vote for reform is retarded.

[@alienfish8521]

There' s not enough time to be voting in tories 2.0.

[@bazmilo-furball1]

I did mate, I even paid my £25 to reform, it was a small price to pay to try to fight for my relevance and the relevance of all my past relatives and family in my own country again. We need to start thinking that it’s worthwhile voting instead of “what difference does it make “ it’s good we have someone that’s not labour/conservative

[@davideddy2672]

Mugged for £25 🤣😂🤣

[@LenaK-i8r]

Exactly. Reform is the only viable alternative we have, and we have the chance to shape the party, moving forward. The Republican party in the states realised this, and went all out to let the people know their vote mattered, to keep the commies out. People need to look at the big picture instead of nit-picking over minor talking points. Imho

[@Occident.]

Plenty of Genuine Nationalists have joined too. So they will get my vote for now.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

White people need political representation. We need to organise for our OWN collective interests as White people.

[@Occident.]

The Regime targets you. No coincidence that 4 top PA people are in jail. Nationalists need to join Reform. Many already have. Then we can "nudge" it in the Right direction. ​@@evolassunglasses4673

[@downstairslg]

I feel Reform are a step in the right direction and will open the door for a party that looks after the native people of Britain. My support for Mr Farage isn`t as strong as it once was but this country needs a party to hold parliament to task but they have got to be careful not to alienate their grass root supporters

[@colinthomas5462]

Yes I agree 👍

[@markscript5746]

Conservative grassroot supporters seem to have stayed loyal through 14 years of lies so their counter parts in Reform must be rather sensitive

[@normansidey5258]

What do you mean, like Sinn Fein has in Ireland. They all need the immigrants votes, that is how badly we are affected both in the UK and in Ireland. The political parties need to take a lesson from Labour, lie like Billy Ho, and when elected implement the deportations that are so desperately required.

[@Occident.]

Genuine Nationalists need to join Reform. Many who are unknown already have. Hence that's why I'm giving it my vote. For now.

[@ballshippin3809]

Well we did have a genuine right wing party which stood for the interests of the natives, but Farage likes to credit himself as being the one who destroyed it...

[@JeffMilton-f8v]

There aren't really "two main parties", they're actually they are the same entity in all but name. Both are doing everything they can to replace the indigenous people.

[@robm8809]

Fact.

[@Carduelis444]

Yes. One of them will destroy the country slightly faster and spend more money doing it, but their end goal is the same.

[@DJRockford83]

Genocide, for different reasons but same outcome. See UN definition sections C and D if in doubt

[@nickmiller76]

With a fertility rate of 1.5, and still falling, we're making our replacement inevitable I'm afraid.

[@thomasrobert4654]

the liblabcon = the uniparty.

[@tomjones30]

Reform will get my vote.

[@callumkenmuir2825]

Any new party is inevitably dominated by its founder. Should Reform continue to build by winning byelections for councillors and MPs, more personalities will emerge as potential leaders, especially if Reform returns many MPs at the next general election.

[@TJspaceman]

Without Farage Reform would be nothing

[@paulyoung4422]

No need to worry, Labour has the Charismatic, Sir Keir.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

Farage and reform are clearly not the answer.... they are however an essential step that needs to be taken to get to the answer. The electerote needs a demonstration that the two party duopoly can be breached

[@heathercooper6043]

Everything was thrown at getting the people to vote Remain, because there were a lot of vested interests in politics/art and media and of course big business to stay on the EU gravy train. The people roused themselves that day and breached the wall.

[@georgehetty7857]

Great comment 👍

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@georgehetty7857 thanks George

[@racheljames7]

Look up Nick Tenconi. The new leader of ukip. His principals and morals are the answer.

[@LenaK-i8r]

At last, a realistic viewpoint. The importance of your point cannot be underestimated. We are being conditioned to turn away from reform, just as the corrupt judiciary tried to do to trump with the " convicted felon" mantra. People need to set a goal and stick to it, no matter the distraction. Imho

[@Bradley-b4d]

For voters in the UK its about there personality Farage comes across as great orator who can hold a audience in his spell. And keeps it simple so voters understand what he says unlike Starmer who comes across as wooden and false. Reform party will keep chipping away voters from the Tories and Labour because ordinary working classes are fed with their lies it's like that labour mp from resigning over the stolen phone from cabinet there should be a by election because she's dishonest. If ordinary people did that they would be sacked and have criminal record. 🧐🇬🇧

[@dannymoorhouse5718]

Peter lynch tells you all you need to know about reform

[@bernardedwards8461]

If all dishonest MPs were sacked we would have no parliament.

[@augustcanyon3438]

They all work for the Cabal folks. It’s a show and they are characters presented for you to focus on.

[@bon3572]

Totally agree. Thank you for posting

[@bobmathews9072]

"It's a big club and you're not in it" - George Carlin

[@brianbrown9512]

100% all just to make us believe there is hope, choice and a difference.

[@OliverACoventry]

The Cabal is the Jooish elite.

[@OliverACoventry]

@@augustcanyon3438 The cabal worships a blue and white flag with a star in it.

[@oliveringram3056]

Lee Anderson gets my vote which ever party he stands for. He has more balls than the rest put together. At least reform look as if they WANT to stop the boats coming, probably the main reason for a lot of people to support them.

[@raymondcottle5554]

Nigel and REFORM UK, are the only hope we the British people have in these trying times. Who else has the political clout to fight this dictator government.

[@LenaK-i8r]

Exactly. The answer is no-one. For the time being.

[@nicholasmorrill4711]

UKIP under Nick Tenconni.

[@404-u5f]

​@@nicholasmorrill4711If the right is to gain any chance of power it must unite behind 1 party, I say that as someone who distrusts Farage and Reform but it is a fact. The right of politics cannot remain fragmented, I will give them my vote because there is no other viable alternative

[@TJspaceman]

Political clout. Is that all that's required? What a weird comment

[@nicholasmorrill4711]

@@404-u5f I think the point is that the right are made up of individuals with their own characters rather than a lot of sheep. Maybe they will get behind the most prominant party when the time comes but first the overton window has to be moved & the sheep woken up. 🙂

[@Buddy-nt6rd]

1m UK daughters. 72 towns and cities. 40 years of silence thousands of complicit state officials

[@JH-lf4ql]

It wasn’t one million that’s absurd

[@therainbowgulag.]

And millions of votes

[@elbuggo]

In 10 years, they will have doubled themselves again. In 4 years or so, they will be in majority in the primary schools.

[@Carol-rx4hl]

Brought to u by the hooked nose people

[@BigJFindAWay]

If you mean the Jews that’s bullshit. They attack the Jews. Want to kill them. Actually it’s brought to you by all you Brit’s that have been voting for free shit nonstop for 119 years. Every year more free shit. That’s how the politicians get in by buying votes with free shit. So it’s only natural they’d also bring in others who will vote for them and their free shit.

[@rodpanhard]

The problem wirh Farage is he only ever does half a job, goes so far with everything then no further, I don't know if anyone has noticed but he does this with everything.

[@georgehetty7857]

Perhaps like Trump , he has come to the realisation that there’s the theoretical,ideological world but then there’s the pragmatic one?

[@alexdavis1541]

His interview with Winston Marshall did it for me. I'm looking for another political home

[@denicase9444]

He did the same in South Thanet a few years ago and totally let his many supporters down!

[@TomClarkSouthLondon]

Then best you stick with Starmer.

[@TonyYorkshire-y1y]

​@alexdavis1541 Still giving NF the benefit of the doubt but tired of him saying he knows things but can't say. Given what is happening to the UK, he should speak out using Parliamentary Privilege if necessary and to hell with the Speaker.

[@normanwoods2279]

I don't totally agree. We have in Lee Anderson a man capable of leading people in the same way as Nigel Farage. Many people like the brusqueness of Anderson and the way he tells it as he is.

[@jona826]

His treatment of Ben Habib has really put me off Farage. Don't know who to vote for anymore.

[@MacArthur-Park]

Me too

[@paulm5443]

I quite like Habib but he lost/ didn't gain his seat so it made sense that he couldn't stay in his position. He threw his toys out of the pram instead of sticking with it and trying to win a future seat.

[@debbieburgess2207]

Ben is a bitter man he lost and now causing trouble

[@markscript5746]

The same apathy that put Labour in power

[@dd7521]

The Heritage Party?

[@ezkerretik]

He’s not very popular with a lot of our movement. The Ben Habib situation and his refusal to take a hard line on Islam and deportation.

[@csllover]

Did you just contradict yourself?

[@williamtell6750]

If Mr Farage took a hard line on Islam or deportations, he would end up as another political prisoner.

[@maxpaws3977]

He can't, many Muslims are now born in UK and this will continue. Unfortunately it's too late

[@peterfrance702]

And distancing himself from Thomas

[@thomasrobert4654]

@@maxpaws3977 the cowards and defeatists join the thread.

[@FiveLiver]

Technically in recent years Reform UK was associated with Richard Tice, but I accept your argument. Farage being explicitly overjoyed that Ben Habib, a major face of Reform, had stepped away, was telling, and indicates that Farage believes Reform is his personal project.

[@markscript5746]

The statistical grow supports fact not belief and Habib has yet to state any disadvantage in this situation

[@petenicholson3318]

Farage is the major shareholder of the company known as Reform - so it is his. I believe Tice holds a few shares; that's it.

[@FiveLiver]

@@markscript5746 Like a man walking across the ice and jumping up and down every few yards said "so far so good".

[@LOCATION_REDACTED]

Put me in charge, we’ll be a pariah state, but I’ll sort it all out by next summer.

[@ANationalAcrobat-qj2dl]

Put ME in charge & I'll have it all sorted before Christmas!

[@DJRockford83]

Put me in charge and the population would be reduced by 20% within 6 months and the budget would be running a surplus. Remigration, remigration, remigration

[@ANationalAcrobat-qj2dl]

@@DJRockford83 I can think of a much cheaper, quicker, simpler & more permanent (ZERO risk of them coming back once deported) method than "remigration". 😕

[@thomasrobert4654]

@@DJRockford83 84% of normal brits would do the same.

[@drbalbon7332]

Ok, but you'll have to endure being whined at for many years. ​@@DJRockford83

[@DeexPx]

Im holding reservations for Farage and Reform. I think UKIP served its purpose with Brexit and the party took a massive shift after that and the political climate got turned on its head, Farage regrouped and now that Trump is in power of our biggest allies. Im hoping Farage does right by tge British people.

[@Lawtasaj]

Voting is not the way out of this problem....wake up people!

[@janetstanland2015]

& the way is?

[@thomasrobert4654]

@@janetstanland2015 study your own recent history, how did most of the old empire colonies get rid of the british political and establishment class,i will give you a clue,it had nothing to do with voting or peaceful protest.

[@LenaK-i8r]

Voting worked in the US when enough people stood up to be counted. We ended up with labour because most of the electorate DIDN'T VOTE. All this negativity will be our undoing imho

[@sputnik1315]

Any other humans would revolt against this humiliation but here we are programmed to wait five years and vote for the same and repeat it all over again

[@MaisyK]

@@LenaK-i8r really, Trump was pad 100 million by the jew Addleson whose bidding do you think he will do. He is already surrounded by neocons whos stopped him doing much last time. Trump is going to be a disappointment.

[@DavidJohnThompson]

Rupert Lowe is an excellent MP and would make an excellent leader of the Reform Party. Under him, the Reform Party would thrive.

[@eugenegilleno9344]

Without a strong figurehead the Reform party will fail, as it was during Richard Tice’s reign, but Nigel says what most of us want, he has his flaws like everybody else, but he is the momentum we need to push forward a country that has common sense at it’s core.

[@TJspaceman]

Farage speaks only for the monitory. A large minority but still a minority. If you think it's otherwise, get out more

[@manoo422]

It is extremely difficult to get a new party big enough to challenge for govt. It only ever happens because of a very strong personality leading the party. You can always make this claim in such circumstances, that the party is the leader. The opposite is long established parties where the party is always bigger than the leader this allows for the succession weak, ineffective, robotic, traffic cone leaders. Exactly what we see with Labour, Conservative and Liberal parties going back to the eighties...I know who I would rather see running the country...

[@brismith2728]

I think you’re right. I currently support them. He is charismatic However Farage’s leadership is very weak. It’s the lack of commitment to policies that frustrates me.

[@IamNotANumber3929]

He demonstrated his 'character' when he scurried away from ukip after the brexit vote. I assume he thought it was job done, I'm off when in fact it was really the beginning. Even worse, he left it down to the tories to see brexit through... big, big mistake to ever trust a tory politician...

[@listenwatchandwait]

Many would say that getting the Uniparty out is the first priority. UKIP supporters should consider voting tactically for REFORM.

[@MarkSharples-e7g]

Should be common sense, UKIPs are not getting into power.

[@call_in_sick]

No

[@RillUK]

Oh no, we've got 5MP's, let's now split the vote. That'll get us some power to change things. Half the problem is our people are stupid.

[@racheljames7]

O did vote for reform and it turns out they're mostly traitors and liars who won't deport and vote for killing the elderly. I'll be voting ukip and I want Nick Tenconi, a Christian Englishman, to be PM.

[@MaisyK]

@@RillUK ye they are, they actually think they can vote their way out of this.

[@stevekellett6934]

Must be better than the cults we have in at present. !!!

[@DavidGirling]

I misread the "l" as an "n" and thought "How right you are."

[@daveevans2696]

Sad the way Farage treated Ben habib.

And TR

[@Occident.]

Ben's a decent man, but I could never vote for or support a non Indigenous person.

[@pam-gw6uk]

There're a number of occasions when Farage could have stepped up to the plate, but he always seems to play It safe, come January, he'll be the new tea boy, In the White House.

[@rogernightly9097]

My faith in Nigel is fading!

[@nathanielthomas8110]

Why?

[@cathywilson3146]

Look more closely then - everyone is trying to damage this man's reputation. Loyalty is a huge strength but one that is falling by the wayside too easily these days. Just ask yourself, "Why does he continue?" .. he has no need to and I'm sure the constant threats and vilification are not worth it. I think he cares , about our country and more importantly about our people. If you look you will also see the 'behind the scenes' work he's done for many years with veterans and to support British businesses and particularly the rural community.

[@deedub577]

He walks away to often and still seems to be a Tory at heart

[@nathanielthomas8110]

@@deedub577 I agree.

[@heathercooper6043]

It seems that's what's being orchestrated by many on KZbin. Reform have become a threat and so the sheep must be lured away.

[@roninhood1027]

He’s lost my vote the moment he claimed mass repatriation was off the table. People who don’t want to become a minority in their own country, have nobody to vote for.

[@CharlieTheCaneCorso]

Farage is scared of war on home soil to out Islam No other breed and race are associated with so much bad Grooming, kabooming, attacking women and children children

[@versioncity1]

Don't worry it'll soon all be over for you. Life is short.

[@barkmaker]

Then who will you be voting for?

[@heathercooper6043]

Off the table in the direct way that the establishment are trying to trip him up into saying. So many have been given the right to stay here, with citizenship etc there's little anyone can do. Reform have said they'll leave ECHR, deport foreign criminals and other steps that will alleviate some of the pressure until they can get to grips with the decades long mess. You don't want that? you expect someone is going to come in and put it all right overnight.....good luck and don't forget you'll be helping split the votes leaving a clear path for the Cons. The merry go round will continue.

[@Lawtasaj]

Homeland Party

[@-DC-]

As Imperfect as Farage is he's the only show in town currently.

[@godsaveenglandfromthebriti2865]

And THAT is the reason why Farage / Tice are behaving the way they are. THEY think everybody will vote for them regardless and they don't have to do anything between now and the next election. Farage and Tice want to line their own pockets nothing more. Farage is a narcissist.

[@creechrfeechr8094]

Once you see Reform as a means to an end rather than the destination, then your approach to them changes. I would vote for them but expect nothing less than for them to actually reform the voting system in this country. Once that happens, then we might see real change.

[@JagdgeschwaderX]

We've run out of time, even if Farage was magicked into No 10 he would be extremely weak and then you've got another 5 years for all our guests to get their feet firmly under the table. Demographically we're done, when the old boomer generation pass away we're going to see the shocking state of our demographics and without some kind of extraordinary push to get young people to have lots of babies it can't be fixed.

[@weshardin6609]

Whatever you think about one man being the party, if history is anything to go by, it certainly doesn't exclude that party from getting elected. The planets are aligning for Forage, the Tories have proved they can't manage the economy or immigration. If Labour f*** up on either of those issues, it's a shoo-in for reform at the next general election. People are really fed up with the same two parties failing them time after time. Promising one thing and failing to deliver.

[@greenman7126]

Strong leaders have always played a part in the success or failure of a political party. Tony Blair, Winston Churchill, Harold Wilson, and Margaret Thatcher immediately spring to mind. Even if their party policies were not always popular, the party was successful overall, in part, as the result of the leader they had. Reform is no different. Why should it perform to a different set of standards on leadership that apply to other political parties?

[@Mary-lx3zs]

Good morning Simon, farage was voted in on the migration vote sadly I no longer have faith in him and feel he's a dirty snake in the grass. His treatment of Ben habib was shameful and as for Tice well don't get me started

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Yes, after the Ben Habib business a lot of people raised their eyebrows a little at what was going on.

[@georgehill9959]

Well said.

[@debbieburgess2207]

Rubbish

[@markscript5746]

@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Simon vote for labour like you did last time

[@nicholasmorrill4711]

@@markscript5746 At least he'd know how to put a cross on the paper.

[@paulrobinson3432]

I support Reform as a party, i will vote Reform even if Nigel leaves, not that i think he will.

[@barkmaker]

Have all the reservations you'd like. If the other two parties aren't a solution and you have another option, it's insanity not to give them a go.

[@williamsharp2532]

It's a worry to see 3 or 4 different alternative pro-native parties espoused in these comments. Surely they would have to unite to have any chance.

[@bestcomsystems4458]

Do you really think William, Nigel will be in any party where he is not the center of attention?

[@stephencope7178]

We've tried the rest...now choose the best!! Support Reform!!

[@LenaK-i8r]

They are not the best, but the best of a bad bunch, for now.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

Your comment proves that not only are you more naive than a fart in its embryonic stage of development, but you are also infinitely less intelligent than a fart: Reform UK wholeheartedly support our highly unethical Capitalist economic system, since the turn of the century Capitalism has gone global, there’s no turning back, plus Tice and Farage are in bed with corporations, these corporates and Capitalism go hand in hand, therefore there is no way in Hell Farage and Tice can revert back to how England was in the last century. I always say that Reform UK doesn’t even have one intelligent supporter.

[@paultredgett1544]

Understand what you are saying but we must vote reform UK Whatever may or maynot happen!!! Its the uk last and only hope for change IMHO

[@Shine_a_Light2024]

100% agree. Reform aren’t perfect but they are our best option and only hope imo

[@heathercooper6043]

Well there are a lot on the internet pretending they want change 'and our country back' but are doing all they can to scupper the flicker of light. Reform have the establishment rattled and so they must be stopped. I'd take a close look at all those trying to dwindle support for Reform. Like as not find some of them preening themselves at the Turkish Barbers, or Asian nail bars!!

[@njd2342]

5 years to form a decent party because Reform are not it.

[@tonyclack5901]

His comment on the need for the muslim vote or he will not get into power, followed by the appointment of a muslim, mohammed yusaf as its chairman is very concerning.

[@vincentl.9469]

it seems there is no hope...

[@BigJFindAWay]

There is hope but you’ll have to fight for it.

[@genoajames1866]

Nigel has basically conceded to them. He believes we cannot reverse the demographic change and must accept their intrusion in our politics.

[@jona826]

Not bothered by his appointment of a Muslim - plenty of good, patriotic Muslims who can help us - but the deportation issue is a big one.

[@vincentl.9469]

@@jona826 yes. a Muslim suggesting other Muslims should not be here or to be deported has a certain irony to it. Like the appointment of Kemi , a Nigerian, as Tory leader, who now talks of 'the lack of cohesion and that her party 'let too many people in '!

[@aussiewattle4299]

When history is at a turning point it is always one lone man who leads it. That man is not Nigel Farage. You'll know him when he arrives. I just hope he has a sense of humour.

[@peterfrance702]

Exactly. History turns on a dime. Lets hope Starmer is a primer sufficient to create something unstoppable. He is doing an excellent job so far

[@GeorgeConnor-h6m]

@@peterfrance702 Love your sarcasm...

[@thomasrobert4654]

and a very big stick.

[@chathamdogend4461]

What choice is there? Starmer, Badenoch, Davey or Farage?

[@njd2342]

Nick Tenconi (UKIP). At least he attended Peter Lynch's funeral.

[@markmorrid8144]

Proportional representation and most importantly DIRECT DEMOCRACY is the game changer reform party want both...so it's reform party all the way next time.

[@geoffreyforrest4602]

Spot on Simon, but by showing people of Ben habit calibre the door doesn't bode well for reform.

[@RichardHallas]

The concerns you raise are very valid, but it seems to me that Reform UK has been working very hard recently to address exactly this problem. I’d say that Nigel Farage is only too well aware of the problem, from things he’s said and actions the party is taking. My only real concern, personally, at present is how they’ve treated Ben Habib. That seems to me shameful.

[@debbieburgess2207]

I agree but not about bitter Ben

[@heathercooper6043]

Mr Habib is chewing on sour grapes.

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

Ben has been slagging off the party for months, constantly on podcasts and interviews. He wasn't elected, he isn't in parliament, he doesn't need to tread on eggshells like the other five do. I like Ben, but he needs to play the game better. Seemed like he wanted to split the votes, which is stupid, end up with Liebour again.

[@RichardHallas]

Interesting responses, thanks. I'm the first to admit that I haven't really tried to keep on top of the Ben Habib situation, so I'm quite prepared to be told that I'm 'wrong' to feel sorry for him. After all, I get enough negativity from Labour and the Tories; I want positive news from Reform to counterbalance it all, so frankly the story of a falling-out with Ben Habib isn't something I was really desperate to take an interest in. What I'd like to express here, though, is my own perspective on it, given what little I HAVE seen. So: 1. It seems to have all started after Ben Habib failed to get elected as an MP. I was greatly disappointed that he didn't. Given that circumstance, it seems to me absolutely reasonable that Nigel should want a deputy who was indeed also an MP, so I saw no problem in the 'reshuffle' that gave Richard Tice that role; that was entirely appropriate. However, the thing that emerged from it all was that Ben Habib didn't even receive the courtesy of a direct communication to let him know of his own 'demotion'. I don't know if that's really true or not, but if it IS true then it's very poor form. I know Nigel was obviously extremely busy at the time, but if he didn't make the time to speak to Ben directly, he should have done so. 2. I've seen Ben being interviewed about his disagreements with Reform a few times since then, and the issues he's raised are always the same. There are, I think, three things. One was the matter about the promise of legal documents being rewritten by top laywers to be watertight, whereas in reality they were just warmed over internally to a much lower standard. Another was of the promise to change the nature of the party according to other legal rules that are completely outside my own experience, but which he says are actually impossible. And there was a third matter that I've forgotten, but that was also some matter of principle relating to the running or the infrastructure. The point is that these all seemed like perfectly legitimate concerns - not ones that are of much real interest to the general public, certainly, but things that ought indeed to be sorted out privately, behind the scenes. 3. I have NOT observed Ben 'slagging off' or attacking Nigel or anyone else directly. I've seen him expressing the same small set of concerns, and they seem valid if a bit esoteric, and maybe he went into more detail than he should in terms of mentioning individual names. But people are talking about him slagging off Nigel and expressing sour grapes, and I just haven't observed that - if you listen to what he's actually said. OK, maybe I haven't seen the right clips, but even so, it just seems to me that this is all the sort of stuff that could and should easily have been sorted out in private, simply by Ben, Nigel and a few others actually talking to each other directly. Expressing it all in public is ridiculous and does no-one any favours. 4. Maybe Ben Habib IS at fault. Maybe there ARE sour grapes here. Even so, I have to say that I found Nigel's recent "champagne moment", "icing on the cake" comment about Ben finally cutting ties with the party to be extremely ill judged. I do sense Nigel's frustration with the situation, obviously, and maybe Ben has been a thorn in his side. I don't know. But if Nigel really did treat him as poorly as it appears he may have done (point 1), you couldn't blame Ben for feeling a little aggrieved after all he'd done. Up to his failure to get elected, Ben was a massive asset to Reform, and what he had to say was always highly intelligent, articulate and thoughtful. Given all that he'd contributed - even if Nigel had indeed fallen out with him - you'd have thought Nigel could have been gracious about his final departure and expressed gratitude for his contributions rather than a spiteful good-riddance. I found the comments unexpectedly cheap. OK, Nigel gave an honest reaction - and I always want that from him. Unfortunately, though, it was a conspicuously mean-spirited one which I thought did him no favours. He's usually more diplomatic than that. It's perfectly possible to be diplomatic without being insincere, and I'm a bit dismayed that Nigel would be so openly unkind, in public, about one of his formerly most loyal and reliable supporters who had done so much to help him in earlier times. Anyone would think that Ben had been working against Reform all along, when in fact very much the reverse was true. So I thought it was a really bad moment. 5. As I say, I really don't know the facts and probably haven't even seen all the public information. I just feel that the overwhelming point here is that this public falling-out is not merely regrettable, but that it could and should have been kept private and sorted out behind the scenes. If Ben is guilty of anything, it's rashness in airing his criticisms in public interviews. That was a mistake. I do think the points he raised - the ones I've seen, certainly - were entirely fair and valid, and most certainly not about sour grapes. Everything he said, it seemed to me, warranted being looked into and sorted out. But it was a big mistake to make those points over the public airwaves rather than in private meetings. I do agree that Ben is guilty of doing that, though I don't believe that his intentions were malicious or destructive; quite the reverse. Anyway, that's why I have sympathy for Ben Habib. We're all human, and he made some mistakes, but I feel that his intentions were good and his departure is a significant loss to the party - and my suspicion is that he probably should have been treated more kindly in the aftermath of the general election. Either way, his departure has left behind it an unpleasant public spectacle that was entirely avoidable and out of which no-one comes off particularly well.

[@offshoretinker]

The real problem is that faced with a rock and a hard place people will go for anything that offers an alternative. We may be clutching at straws, but what's the alternative?

[@cheds1]

Turn your back on it.

[@stjut]

You’re absolutely right. The policies of the two main parties have become so similar that it’s hard to tell them apart. Reform, with Nigel Farage as leader, feels like a breath of fresh air. I could never vote for either Labour or the Conservatives-they both seem to mislead and manipulate voters. I truly hope Nigel stays in good health and that his party gets a real opportunity to show what they can do to make Britain great again.

[@versioncity1]

The only practical use and outcome of the reform party is to help keep right wing voters away from the Tory party. A task for which the Labour party will be ever grateful.

[@TonyYorkshire-y1y]

The very least he should offer if Reform gets into a position of power or balance of power is to offer a referendum on deportations to reset the balance over what has happened in recent years. The will of the people must prevail.

[@StephenCowley001]

The cults of personality around Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon have done damage to Scottish nationalism, though it is only now becoming apparent.

[@ChristianPatriarchy]

Unfortunately for the English people, this is all too true. The English people need a patriotic political party but Farage cannot be relied upon to fulfil that necessary leadership.

[@dpstrial]

Farage is larger than the Reform party. As Simon says, the party will fade away without his presence. This is never a good thing.

[@OliverACoventry]

Farages ego is his worst enemy. He also has basically capitulated and admit that Muslim mass migration is inevitably going to continue. Defeatist mindset

[@brianmallon1810]

Neither of those parties have a Leader, and never seem to. Genuine leadership is important to a nation. Ireland needs one desperately.

[@bazza224]

Nigel is the key you need to start somewhere I would still vote reform it's bigger than him now. I like what the party represents with or without Nigel.a

[@caiden5855]

He owns a majority of the shares in the company

[@bazza224]

@ There are no shares he relinquished them to the members. Of which I am one.

[@MarkHarvey-uh8oc]

Politics is not about voting for the one that will benefit you the most anymore, but for the party that hates you the least.

[@johnsimpson2810]

If we had a first class govt and opposition I would have the same reservations, but we don't. Reform is the only political party at the moment worth voting for. I just wish they had a strong deportation policy like Pres Trump does.

[@elbuggo]

Only _The England for the English party_ can solved the problem in the long run!

[@genoajames1866]

Homeland Party or Britain First Party

[@carlitor4173]

Homeland

[@carlitor4173]

@genoajames1866 homeland seem much more credible, they have some real thinkers and great policies no point splitting the vote

[@williamtell6750]

What England needs is a party that, firstly, puts England at the centre, i.e, it must be national. Secondly, it must put ordinary people at the centre, i.e. is must be socialist.

[@danran100]

@elbuggo How far does Your English ancestry go back ? Who cares what You foreign cnuts think...🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@abazely2743]

Trump and the Republicans are making a go of it.

[@orvillefindley8117]

People have short memories. They have forgotten that Tice is pro 💉☠️ and pro lockdowns. 🙄

[@LOCATION_REDACTED]

Can’t have it all.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

Purity spiralling BS that just hands the country over to those that are intent on turning it into the 3rd world

[@ANationalAcrobat-qj2dl]

He's also pro bending the knee to Nick Lowles & Hope Not Hate..... :-/

[@LordSnobbington-6776]

England need someone much much tougher! Until then, given the choice, he'll do!

[@JordanSchultzDE]

Tice answers to his J3wish creditors. Do some research and a lot is revealed.

[@MrT01582]

I could never vote for reform whilst farage is the owner

[@johnbewick6357]

I recall when Blair was first voted as PM, it was said at the time that he had gained a considerable number of votes from females who saw him as a sex figure rather than a polititian. I wonder how many of those females have now voted for Farage, not because of any sexual reason, but because they see him as the only way of getting rid of the problems created by Blair and his successors.

[@basicconcepts1d]

Nigel has promised to reduce the tax on Bulky Pee Pants.

[@smiggo1481]

Was Thatcher not the perfect embodiment and personality figure of the Tories?

[@ellenmendoza7246]

Nigel farage needs to do..is what Donald Trump has done.. which is to get a really good group of people around him.. who will support a political change.. I've got a lot of time for Lee Anderson and I just think he needs a good team.. if It's the party who will stop Mass migration and start saying no to the left wing won't I will happily vote for them along with a lot of other people..

[@BionicRasta]

No mention of Ben Habib who sums it up much better, what he spoke off regarding leaving Reform & not being a member because Farage & Tice own the shares & refuse to transfer them to the party to help democratise & give supporters a say, tells you all you need to know about these grifters. Further compounded by what Habib says about the failure to fully deliver brexit & the unwillingness by Farage to mass deport illegals which Trump plans to do.

[@racheljames7]

Ben Habib was just yet another of Reform's tick box hires.

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

Go watch June Slater, she explains this in great detail.

[@donnydarko2100]

I tend to agree with you Simon. I voted for Reform in the election. Simply because none of the other options were too painful to consider. But I’m not entirely sold on the Reform bandwagon. Only time will tell, I imagine.

[@masteragario3335]

I would vote for kermit the frog before any of our current options.

[@88hocuspocus]

How can you trust any party amymore...they can say all the right things and do exactly what they want when they get in...labour the best example of this...

[@TaxingIsThieving]

Because Reform aren't Labour. And Conservatives weren't as evil as Labour. Despite what everybody, including Nigel, claimed. He regretted that when they blamed him for the rioting.

[@viv-s7g]

Nigel's definitely not a National Socialist. Socialism and fascism are synonymous and certainly not right wing

[@IUsedToBeSomeoneElseX]

I would vote for a scrap of cardboard before I would vote for Woke Lab/Cons.

[@WingedHeron]

Cult of personality is a big problem with any politics today. Once politicians were judged on merit by the astute less by the indoctrinated

[@LenaK-i8r]

It's exactly why Boris was voted in. It's why Edward heath was voted in. Both were ultimately disastrous for the people of Britain. It's nothing new

[@Occident.]

Labour is run by a C**t devoid of a personality.

[@frankielov]

All those politicians are not worthy of my vote,

[@yiguanas812]

No, stare into the hypnowheel I have just shoved into your face, and repeat after me, everyone: "A better world is just one election cycle away. All I need to do is vote."

[@bazmilo-furball1]

Well you can't complain when stuff happens, goes to shit at least I'm trying to vote for someone who at least says stuff I agree with

[@yiguanas812]

@@bazmilo-furball1 By voting you consent to be governed by whoever they tell you got the most votes. Most people want to be neither a master nor a slave. Nor a fool playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. I won't be voting either.

[@billynomates920]

@@bazmilo-furball1 then let's me and you vote reform, baz!

[@MarmiteMangoMachine]

Participation in liberal democracy is the voluntary abdication of personal authority. No politician is worthy of a vote to a man worthy of being called a man. Only the weak wish to be governed.

[@johnmac8084]

We don't have the luxury of the perfect party to vote for Simon. Of the available choices, who else is there other than Reform, who has a chance of getting into power?

[@basil8260]

Farage is turning reform into the ex-tory party, the old/new uniparty?

[@jimdee9801]

That's no victory

[@dd7521]

The Heritage Party?

[@jamieround2784]

Farage is nothing but controlled opposition and does not want to rock the status quo.He will do nothing for the average indigenous British person and will turn into a mini Starmer if he gets into power.

[@BethanyLloyd-h6t]

@@dd7521 no , the other one 😊

[@jg6709]

I don't see what is wrong with a strong, charismatic leader. In fact, it would make a refreshing change!

[@margaretpepper3550]

It,s very simple......we want OUR country back!

[@Eric-kn4yn]

By hook or by crook.

[@BrianLesliePerry]

@@Eric-kn4yn What do you mean by that ...?

[@AB-C1]

​​@@BrianLesliePerryGROW A PAIR!!! "Leslie" 🙄🤦🏻💪🏻👊🏻

[@user-xd9yo3le7o]

​@@BrianLesliePerryyou're never get an answer...

[@user-xd9yo3le7o]

​@@AB-C1Just explain what you mean.

[@amandafarnish5563]

Agreed..he is identified as being The Party, but let's not forget how relatively new Reform is and how long it takes to actually grow a political party into something that is here to stay, and which has permeated into the British psyche permanently. The liberals were the main party in this country many decades ago. The party has several charismatic speakers I believe, but it is a great shame the circumstances around the departure of Ben Habib, a true patriot, but I feel Reform to be the ONLY party to vote for.

[@MM0IMC]

He's not the messiah people think he is. Once he got elected, he dropped his mass deportation policy.

[@AB-C1]

YOU ARE THE EGIT Who VOTED LABOUR THEN!!!!?? WHAT A TREASONOUS PLUM!! TOO LATE NOW!! (YOU) FUCKED ENGLAND & UK!!...NOTHING WILL CHANGE PEACEFULLY NOW! (OR BY "VOTING"!) YOU'RE DELUDED! GO TO CONGO ASK THEM ABOUT VOTING! LOL 😂😆😂 - YOU ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH BRITAIN! - PUSSIES!!

[@DoggleBird]

I don't always agree with Farage, but I support most of the things his party stands for, like Brexit and reducing immigration. I also accept that he was right to begin with an iron grip of his party at the start, otherwise it would undoubtedly have been hijacked - something which happened to UKIP while I was a member some years ago. Reform is in the process of transitioning from an ordinary limited company (although not-for-profit, as required by the Electoral Commission) into a company limited by guarantee, rather like many professional bodies and charities and that doesn't have shareholders or owners, but members who can vote for their management board members. I will continue to support Reform for the time being and see how that plays out.

[@TheJon2442]

However, we should not forget. Marc Antony “The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.”

[@bagpuss1850]

Once again, we have to choose the least worst option. Mr Farage isn't perfect. But he is all we've got.

[@denicase9444]

You are absolutely right, Simon. Nigel is Reform. Can’t separate the two and that’s not good. He also has one foot in the Conservative camp. I voted Reform and I liked Nigel more than now. Since then I was very put off by Tice’s comment about the people at the rally in London in September who were likely mostly Reform supporters as “that lot” and imo it was a huge mistake to let Ben Habib go and an even bigger one to ban him from speaking at Reform meetings. Who else will they ban and censor, I wonder….

[@Occident.]

Well they collaborate with Hope not Hate apparently.

[@bestcomsystems4458]

Farage and Tice keep going on about cancel culture - then they cancel Ben Habib.

[@Maxdukemax]

Farage / reform aren't the answer but mearly a step in the right direction. We need to go much much further.

[@avipatable]

Hi treatment of Ben Habib has given me serious reservations. We have nothing like the team Trump has built in America.

[@racheljames7]

We have Nick Tenconi. Look him up. You won't be disappointed. As for Ben Habib, don't feel too sorry for him. He's just another entitled tickbox.

[@avipatable]

@@racheljames7 I know of Nick Tenconi, and he comes across well. But I barely know him - and I watch a lot of this stuff - so he is unknown to the average man in the street. By contrast Trump has united all kinds of people with Tulsi and RFK. He has the wisdom of Ron Paul and the youth of Vance, Vivek, Don Jnr and Eric, Gaetz - from which he will create his legacy. He has firebrands and comedians which make his whole group a great spectacle to the average person. We have nothing by comparison, sadly. The only firey Brit I can think of is Douglas Murray!

[@dp-sr1fd]

UKIP faded away because it had done it's job, that is we left Europe for good or ill. Nigel Farage touched a nerve in the British people as he does now with immigration.

[@mickmouse3513]

It’s about time the public stood on their own two feet & stop relying on people like farage.

[@AB-C1]

THAT Requires BACKBONE & BOLLOX!!! (NOT TALK!!)

[@markscript5746]

Apart from just standing what action are you proposing

[@mickmouse3513]

@@markscript5746 you sound like you’re working for the police, or even worse starmer trying to get people to incriminate themselves on line.

[@colinmcewen9530]

the same is true with the left and Corbyn they became a bit of a personality cult

[@Billy-q9h5g]

Conservatives in the Emporers new clothes

[@ChristianPatriarchy]

No. Your wrong. Reform rank and file are patriots, not globalists.

[@Billy-q9h5g]

​@@ChristianPatriarchyHow? I'll let you think

[@Billy-q9h5g]

A blank statement

[@ChristianPatriarchy]

@@Billy-q9h5g Can you read ?

[@Billy-q9h5g]

Can you answer??

[@Mickster71]

It's a young party, and I think other stars will rise to the top as it matures . The wheat will be separated from the chaff... I believe 🤞

[@Brookspirit]

It's far from perfect but it's the only real option at the moment, so it's the only choice for many people.

[@themanftheworld8439]

Lee Anderson is like a breathe of fresh air.Fight the Establishment not Reform UK.

[@JammyONE]

Lokks like Farage and Starmer are best mates now.

[@MHLivestreams]

If that's true, they can share the same fate.

[@davidmclachlan6592]

Not true....

[@JammyONE]

@@davidmclachlan6592 They seem pretty friendly in parliament. Starmer walked across the floor to Farage 's side and happly talk to him, Farage shielded his mouth to prevent lip reading.

[@davidmclachlan6592]

​​​@@JammyONE....the way I saw it Farage was only being polite, if someone walked up to me and started talking to me I would probably do the same, it doesn't mean that I'd agree with their politics, what was Farage meant to do, spit in his face ?

[@JammyONE]

@@davidmclachlan6592 Farage could've put on air of indifferents towards Starmer and as a said Farage went through the trouble to hide his lips. Farage is the man who wants us to submit to Islam and continue the replacement.

[@tigertony2716]

Even though Farage is one of the best known politicians around, Rupert Lowe and Lee Anderson are pretty well known to the public, so I don't think they are a one person party

[@brianterence3211]

The sailing ship needs a good Captain. Farage looks suitable for the role. America has recently picked a new Captain. It appears likely it will work well.

[@somebloke13]

Better a party of a cult of personality than the Labour and Conservative parties that have cnuts for personalities...

[@NobbingNobby]

100,000 members @ £25 is two and a half million (plus the many hundreds of thousands from Muhammad Ziauddin Yusuf). Does Farage, as majority shareholder in the company, take his cut of that and add that to his MP’s salary?

[@-V-K-]

I do not think those members get any say

[@LordSnobbington-6776]

England need someone much much tougher! Until then, given the choice, he'll do!

[@thomasreed49]

That’s exactly how I feel. He’s not the real deal but he’s better than the others.

[@musthaveacamel2157]

I would vote for Anyone willing to deport 5 Million +

[@EthanKnight97]

Farage is not the answer. He has since become a traitorous Tory.

[@barryfoster453]

Yes, I am reminded of the old saying that capitalism is the worst socio-economic system...apart from all the others.

[@basil8260]

Farage has killed reform, vote SDP

[@corky8280]

Regardless of however imperfect Reform might be (and let's not forget they're a fledgling party not the end product) they're a heck of a lot better than the alternatives which are basically the UniParty (no others have a realistic chance unless as part of coalition). I want the UniParty gone so will vote for Reform. If people don't vote for Reform we will get more of that same, it's a simple as that.

[@woz7379]

If he can get Reform into Downing Street then job done,the rest can take care of itself.The same parallels can be drawn with Trump in America.

[@dannymoorhouse5718]

He can't he hasn't the appeal

[@heathercooper6043]

If he can get Reform in and they at least try to get us removed from ECHR (and don't forget the powerful globalist forces that will stop at nothing to keep us there) remove foreign prisoners, stop the woke/diversity nonsense and stop the political brainwashing in schools and Universities, then we may stand a chance to try and recover from decades of harm. It's not going to be easy or quick as some seem to believe

[@NobbingNobby]

‘….the rest can take care of itself’. What running the country? 😂

[@woz7379]

⁠​⁠@@dannymoorhouse5718one hundred thousand members in such a short time and growing.What is your definition of appeal.?