The Dark Knight is Overrated | Ree Speech

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[@YTHomer]

I couldn't quite put it into words but I have been feeling this way about Christopher Nolan's films for years, and hearing someone finally attempt to disect the reasons as to why Nolan isn't as high and mighty as we all may initially think is cathartic. So far I think the only film I have seen from Nolan that I can unquestionably say I enjoy would be Oppenheimer, and that still carries certain baggage that being a Nolan film, such as inhuman dialogue and trying to push ideas more than a narrative. However it does have a strong enough foundation of an intriguing narrative and drama to where I can still enjoy what I am viewing. I can also find positives about the Dark Knight that allow me to still enjoy it but I agree that we are unwilling to criticize elements of it that are not deserving of praise. I really appreciate your willingness to speak your mind on films even if it goes against the grain. Good work Lumo.

[@LUMOSHROOM]

Undoubtedly two of the best films I have ever seen are The Prestige and Memento. So I know Nolan is capable of excellent storytelling. But it's weird how everyone praises him for The Dark Knight, Interstellar and Inception when those don't really hold a candle to his best work.

[@YTHomer]

@LUMOSHROOM Haven't watched those two yet, so I will have to do so to get a better understanding of Nolan as a director. Still, though you are correct about the strange things he gets praise on. I genuinely have met people who say Tenet is scientific and narrative genius, and I frankly don't get it.

[@ramert32]

​@@LUMOSHROOMYay! Good to hear someone give Prestige praise! Great video as usual

[@ubahfly5409]

"I'm 13 & very deep. Look how clever I am. See how clever & sophisticated I am? No, that's not pretentious contrivance, they're THEMES ! Behold my themes ! Are they not grand?" - Every Nolan Film Ever

[@weirdyoda6982]

Prefer the longer videos, but this is good too.

[@thafilmguy1]

I agree the Dark Knight is highly overrated but I reach that conclusion for different reasons. And enjoy your longer stuff more but it's also good to be short and down to the point as well.

[@TrisStrudel]

I’ll push back on Inception’s characters being forgettable. If that’s not what you meant when asking if we remembered any of their names, then my apologies. Those characters were pretty distinct in the story. Leo, Ellen, and Watanabi’s character in particular had strong moral stances, philosophical stances, and/or reactions throughout the movie.

[@dvdragon]

The Joker. How loyal his henchmen are to him. Not surprising. He is getting people that are not doing well, like the mental patent that Batman catches. The Joker gets people to follow him the same way abusive gangs IRL get followers. Certain political figures gain and followers the same way. 🤷‍♂

[@LUMOSHROOM]

Good point. I just think it's funny how many henchmen in movies stay loyal to their bosses after watching them kill other henchmen; often for impulsive or narcissistic reasons.

[@ReubenModeXXX]

The weird big brotheresque surveillance system feels very Propaganda to me. It doesn't need to exist in the movie. The only reason Nolan included it was to help justify American mass surveillance.

[@ty-guy4458]

Nolan's Batman kills. He kills Harvey. Great video, tho

[@jamidhampton4610]

Just for the fact that someone would put on a batsuit to fight crime, highlights why Batman doesn't make sense. And also the numerous costumed villains make Gotham seem like a Halloween show. It's hard to take it seriously at times.

[@LUMOSHROOM]

It's really deep bro trust me. You just have to watch his 12 best animated movies, read the most famous comics (physical versions only) and play Arkham City twice to get it.

[@jamidhampton4610]

@@LUMOSHROOM makes sense.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

Batman continuity commonly has him taking the mantle because Bats scared him as a kid. Nolan also features this. If anything, I find his No Kill Rule to be harder to fully buy. Like he won’t kill The Joker (who will escape and kill more people) but Batman is totally fine crippling & giving small time perps traumatic brain injuries because they (check notes) were trying to boost a car. Batman is all about justice, but he’s a masked vigilante: he’s only accountable to himself.

[@jamidhampton4610]

@@paradoxinraindrops141 Batman's whole personality doesn't make any sense, why just not leave Gotham? And go live somewhere else

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

@@jamidhampton4610 Because it’s his city, the Wayne’s are the Kennedy’s to Gotham. As Bruce, he invests into the city through charitable causes to enrich the city and as Batman he protects the city. The suspension of disbelief rides or dies on how much you like the character. Like yes, it’s insane for a rich man to run around dressed as a bat beating up criminals… but I dig it, so I let it slide.

[@diaznuts5947]

The dark knight rises is a straight up modern mcu film, pure ass

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Bs

[@KrisVickers-wn6dd]

Completely agree. Heath Ledgers performance was great, but everything else wasn't. It's a Batman film and Batman is annoying.

[@danielsiljeholm]

No it's not overrated. It's as good as when it first came out in 2008.

[@darioscomicschool1111]

Nolan is Overrated. Memento and Le Prestige was great. The Dark Knight is cool... But the Ending was weak.

[@thetruth45678]

Ledger is not a good Joker. His passing granted him a status his character performance didn't earn. Yes, he was a captivating and meme-worthy character, but that person was not The Joker. He was some generic lunatic with penchant for clowning, but unlike the real Joker, Ledger's character had principals. A message. He wanted to make people change to his definition of good. The real Joker has no principals. He has no message. He barely has motivation or ambition, beyond making Batman's life more colorful. Ledger's Joker is my least favorite portrayal of the character, precisely because he is not The Joker, yet so many people praise him for being the best. They have no idea who The Joker is, which makes it infuriating to hear them wank him so hard. Glad Ledger is gone so I don't have to see him ruin a great character all over again.

[@LUMOSHROOM]

A bit harsh but I take your meaning. Mark Hamill will always be my favorite Joker; especially his role in Arkham City. I appreciate Nolan's take on both Joker and Bane; but there is serious incongruity with those characters and the characters off of whom they're based.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

Never in my days, have I hated someone’s performance of a character so much that I would take glee in their passing. Saying that shit is just wildly out of pocket.

[@thetruth45678]

@@paradoxinraindrops141 You mistake glee for gladness. Did I mention that I am a misanthrope? I am more than pleased to see all of us go.

[@LUMOSHROOM]

@@thetruth45678 Big cringe.

[@thetruth45678]

@@LUMOSHROOM I don't care what you think. Would you rather I lie? By the by, saying cringe is cringier than what I said.

[@ky1ebetts]

The Dark Knight is nowhere close to how overrated The Joker was. Just a bony guy pouting, dancing on steps and molesting kid's mouths.

[@ky1ebetts]

If anyone is able to name a single part of The Joker movie that was worth watching, I would LOVE to hear it. Just 1! Name 1 thing!

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@ky1ebettsJoker Dancing on stairs, Joker on the Murray Franklin show, Jokers followers worshipping him.

[@garygrassler09]

So good