The Day Link Died - Links to the Past (Zelda Lore)

[@Aethus]

This was the timeline where Link felt so confident that he didn't bring any fairies....or was running a 3 heart run.

[@Alcor-wf8gc]

So this was the Link I was demonically controlling?

[@Tinbeef22]

He didnt pause the game to heal.

[@Zukenna_]

Most likely XD

[@BorgztheDutchCyborg]

Maybe it was just a 5 year old playing.

[@tamoozbr]

Both. And without cheats or savestates

[@WalkthruGuides]

Just highlights how powerful the Hero of Legends really is,: being able to slay Ganon who had already killed a previous hero.

[@robertadamsx2]

Not just any hero, but the one that is debatably the strongest. Hero of legend is such a bad ass.

[@AstralComposition]

@@robertadamsx2 well behind the hero of legend

[@filhosmontenegro2358]

And had the full triforce

[@isthisagoodusername9764]

@@AstralComposition this is why the hero of time is complete bullshit cause if we're talking the child timeline then he almost certainly beats Legend with the masks

[@poopidkwhy5929]

Olliverse yeah but if botw links’ items didnt break he would be op

[@PTN-]

Actually, Link died in Kakariko Village after an attack from a swarm of Cuccos

[@neilcudney8644]

This is undeniable fact.

[@Alcor-wf8gc]

LISTEN TO THIS PERSON! THEY SPEAK THE TRUTH! YOU MUST LISTEN TO THEM!

[@Awan2047]

No crazy flower women killed him

[@justinradabaugh0207]

That takes place after Ocarine of time

[@Zyrdalf]

Thats the time line we don’t talk about. Where since Link was defeated the Cuccos filled his place and defeated Gannon. Unfortunately they were Cuccos and their rein of terror still clucks to this day.

[@_simon.s_]

The reason why the timeline split is because Link forgot to do the Biggoron quest.

[@carl_consumer.of.reality]

Simon S. I see you all over Zelda videos

[@DS_DoggerX]

And forgot to bring Deku nuts

[@rinlex4967]

Or the Megaton Hammer

[@mikhailbrayan5658]

and the happy mask quest

[@Moz72]

@MikhailBrayan yeah wrong game but ok

[@katiepersons6575]

Way to go, Navi. You secured Ganon's victory. Sometimes it's best to just let a kid nap.

[@Alcor-wf8gc]

Yup. If I were Link I woulda been like "Shut up Navi! Ima sleep til BotW"

[@kutulukutu]

She just needed to shut up, period!😆

[@awsumsas]

You do realize that had she never woke him up in the first place, he wouldn’t be able to win either, right?

[@kutulukutu]

@@awsumsas at least there'd be one timeline.

[@michaela6425]

Hey listen. Hey listen. Hey listen!

[@bowenorcutt78]

"The day... the he-ro... died. We were singin', Bye bye, mister Hylian guy..."

[@jacksonfearington5164]

i dont think these people are cultured enough to understand that reference. But thank god somebody also likes american pie.

[@sloppycocky7205]

Damn, I was thinking of those Same words dude

[@sircrimson5862]

Nice

[@tonyg5132]

@@jacksonfearington5164 Woah, look at this special fucking guy. He knows an old song. Let's all give him a fucking round of applause.

[@raymondclifford6742]

@@tonyg5132 dude. Chill out.

[@cdman4724]

Someone needs to make an emotional animation of Oot Links death and the events after his death.

[@kelseycoleman8068]

That would be painful

[@nonoctoro4933]

I want that for the Hero's Shade

[@nimbusstorm2309]

i would love to see a movie on this, so many things that would make great movies but can't be

[@nimbusstorm2309]

@jonathan bethsaida wack

[@DarkMirria1]

Good. We already have a weird Zelda cartoon, we don’t need another one.

[@magnawaves]

In my mind, I see the gameplay of the "tennis match" as a limitation of the hardware and the controller, and the gameplay. I imagine that battle to have been a hectic clash with Ganondorf blasting out dozens of magic arrows towards Link as he rolls around dodging or deflecting with his shield, maybe even returning a few with the Master Sword. I'm sure everyone has seen the OFFICIAL art of the two fighting in that final battle. Never in game do we see Ganondorf about to punch Link in midair like that. OoT was limited by the tech, and even today I doubt they'd go for that approach. Ganondorf wouldn't be stupid enough to use a single projectile like that. Again, this is my interpretation, before anyone says "bbb-but muh phantom ganons and tp ganondorf," realize it's a gimmick of the fight. If he's as intelligent as they've always implied and shown him to be, he'd know the weapon that was pointed at him, and what is at stake in the fight. In short, for me, I have always seen the downfall timeline's beginning as Link dying to Ganondorf, not Ganon. As for the stuff about LttP Link being descended from the hero of time? I'm not too sure on that, I always read it as him being from a line of Hyrule's knights, and he happens to be the next reincarnation in their time of need. It fits in my head. Thank you for reading my headganon.

[@gameuniverse5973]

Ya but he cocky as fuck and yuganon also does it even tho it canon that there probarly smarter than Ganon but instead of one ball it two

[@SmKnJays]

I feel like a remastered OOT with the sane gameplay but with the addition of a combo list that you can learn and a 2 part gannon fight that’s not just energy tennis

[@Mr_E_Nigma]

Wat official art are you talking about?

[@sleinzer2302]

@@Mr_E_Nigma the thumbnail of this video

[@seandobbins2231]

It's also worth noting that he's also sometimes called Ganondorf, King of Thieves, which is what he was called by a maiden recounting the Great Cataclysm. Given this, it seems likely Hero of Time is defeated by Ganondorf, not Ganon, who Ganondorf transforms into later. My guess is it's a warping due to the Triforce. Hero of Legend is descended from the Hylian Knights. The only thing Links have in common is the spirit of the Hero.

[@lazirusflores3444]

This can't help but make me a little sad, it's just sad for me because the Hero of Time happens to be my favorite Hero and just the fact that he didn't live is truly painful.

[@DarkShadic9632]

When watching Ganondorf play the organ, I said, “Hey, at least he has a nice hobby.”

[@IAMOCKWORD]

You know there is something to be said about a villain who plays his own theme music

[@WokeandProud]

Other then freezing zoras and feeding gorons to giant dragons.

[@skatr62]

I'll never forget the chills i felt climbing that winding staircase to that haunting organ as a child.

[@boop99]

Getting killed from light-energy tennis seems lame

[@wenbluepirate3954]

Very so.

[@hassanh8783]

Gerard Bæ what probably happened was that the tennis match stopped and Gannon killed him right after very quickly, and during the match itself

[@wenbluepirate3954]

@@hassanh8783 no. It was in the Ganon fight.

[@CommanderBly5052]

Wen BluePirate r/whoooosh

[@ZeldaUniverseTV]

I can tell this is going to get emotional. :(

[@novastar3990]

Hi!

[@MrZangetsu468]

Furyflame2 ..... Hai

[@novastar3990]

J.M :D

[@Yedknowsall]

I like to think Link died by drowning in the fishing hole

[@Kaboomboo]

Really? You LIKE to think that? lol

[@PrincePalmUwU]

Sadly it was more of a test for LINK for the future Ganondorf, but Link thought all is over when he went to the forest and let his home town burn to the ground as they warned him about the water raising which we have Toon Link for.

[@CAESAR_IS_GOD_mohammadisaloser]

I know for a fact that Link never died and that he always triumphed over the evil sandn@gr ganon.

[@PrincePalmUwU]

@@CAESAR_IS_GOD_mohammadisaloser OOT Link died, the Ganon we had in wind waker is from OOT

[@BasicallyFrost]

Yeah seems canon

[@KiloShank]

My private canon for the "Death" timeline is that when you use the master sword to go back in time to do child 2 parts of the game, the adult 1 timeline is simply left without a hero. The winning timelines are the splits after zelda sends you back after credits.

[@dancooper5423]

I just came from a video detailing something simmilar: the fallen timeline being actually created because child 2 was left without a hero after Link came back to his original time, and using as evidence the fact that time still flows normally whenever you have to travel back in order to progress, thus, creating a timeline in which Link simply disaappeared and Ganondorf managed to win.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Sort of, but it's a bit simpler 3 realities Reality 1 - Child Link between starting the game and pulling the Master Sword. Link leaves this timeline reality when he travels becoming an adult. This reality is left without a hero, and is the Fallen Hero/Downfall timeline Reality 2 - Link arrives as an adult, defeats Ganon, and is sent away by Zelda. Ganon is defeated but this reality is now missing its Hero of Time. Hyrule then needs to be flooded to defeat Ganon again. This is the Adult timeline. Reality 3 - this is where Adult Link is sent to by Zelda to be a child again. Child Link rides off looking for Navi, arrives in Termina, and defeats Majora. Link then lives out the rest of his days in this reality, and when he dies, becomes a spirit shade that later fights the Hero of Twilight. It's basically a misconception that the Fallen timeline involved Link dying to Ganon. Ganon only won because there was no Link to oppose him. The key fact is that OoT treats timetravel the same way Avengers Endgame does, only Nintendo did it 20 years earlier

[@firionkaiser8291]

@@InhabitantOfOddworld Well then how does Ganondorf obtain the full Triforce if neither Link who has courage is present and Zelda who never reveals herself and also has the Triforce of Wisdom is not present either. We see Ganondorf is unfit to obtain the full triforce naturally and vital for him to have the whole thing to lead into the Imprisoning War and ALttP.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

@firionkaiser8291 Link and the Courage Triforce are NOT one and the same entity. Likewise with Zelda and the Wisdom Triforce. The Triforce has existed for eternity, and merely attaches itself to beings who exhibit it's values. Link has always been the most courageous being, so naturally the Triforce tends to attract toward him (at least, in the games that feature the Triforce). However, the Triforce's existence is not contingent on Link existing. In short, the Courage triforce still existed but Link was not there to defend it, so it was free for the taking by Ganon (or some other weaker being who could not stop Ganon was defeated), and without Link, Ganon was able to obtain the Wisdom Triforce from Child Zelda unimpeded. I can reiterate and explain all the live-long day, but this *is* more intelligible than the false notion that Link physically died in one of the timelines.

[@firionkaiser8291]

@@InhabitantOfOddworld I wasn't saying they were the same entity but it's a known fact that OoT Ganondorf is incapable of obtaining the other two naturally, hence why he only obtained the Power half. Even if Link didn't exist, the Triforce of Wisdom would split off to Zelda who wouldn't just allow Ganondorf to take it from her especially since she would've been in hiding and Ganondorf is still incapable of obtaining Courage without fighting for it. We have examples of Hyrulean kings who were able to use the whole triforce because they had a balanced heart, something Ganondorf lacks and is the entire reason why he didn't obtain the other two parts in OoT. Link losing to Ganondorf isn't false notion. Its entirely possible for him to lose in that battle and with BotW out, we know it's not impossible for the hero to fail like he did 100 years prior to start of the game. Link losing against Ganondorf in the castle sets up some lore points that define ALttP through Zelda II. It's the only fight in the series where we have the OoT sages and the battle for the Triforce. Both are essential because the full Triforce would have to still be in the Sacred Realm now turned into the Dark World alongside with Ganondorf since that's where both would be during the Imprisoning War and ALttP. Aonuma named the OoT sages after the towns in Zelda II to make that connection that they were remembered after the events of OoT, making the Downfall Timeline similar to the adult timeline except OoT Link isn't worshipped or remembered at all. Without Link even being around, it's doubtful that they would've awakened to begin with. It makes it hard to believe that Ganondorf would be stuck in the Sacred Realm like the Imprisoning War and ALttP tell/shows us if Zelda lost her piece as a child and the OoT sages never awakened to seal him there to begin with.

[@59rlmccormack]

The downfall timeline, the darkest sector in Zelda history! Link the Hero of Time meeting his downfall made everything bleak, at least there were more Links to defeat Ganon in the end!

[@Darkstar2630]

Those were Hyrule's Dark ages.

[@NotThatUser]

Perfect Cell Stop talking about yourself like that

[@DrMonty-yr1kc]

@@perfectcell5613 Go get your milk kid

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Link didn't actually die, though

[@pakasack]

Part 2 still coming? You make such professional videos, am eagerly anticipating your take on the Imprisoning War

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

Update: Still waiting for part 2.

[@theleftfootedsultan]

Update: still waiting for part two

[@Matio25091]

Update: Still waiting for part 2

[@coreylouispropst]

Update: IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR! WHERE IS PART TWO!!!??? I'm a sad Tingle.

[@UndercoverNoodle]

Thank god! I though I was just going crazy looking for it.

[@ANlevant]

I doubt this is how the fallen hero timeline came into being. I would say if there was a Canon way in which link died, it was when he lost his sword against Gannon, not against ganondorf. Let's be sincere, that battle was pretty lame

[@sporoko3034]

I agree but imagine Zelda standing there seeing there last hope die right then and there

[@ANlevant]

@@sporoko3034 fucking brutal

[@sporoko3034]

Heh heh heh

[@chriscampbell8161]

When are we getting the second video? -_-

[@alphaxbuilder]

Chris Campbell bro... legit was about to ask this question

[@sagespaceghost2413]

I need some interlopers and imprisoning war stuff soon

[@Nak3dPear]

Wait part 2 isnt made yet??

[@alphaxbuilder]

Nope... feel empty yet?

[@yeseldiaz3453]

Can't rush perfection, guys!

[@hjdld]

But did Link really defeated Twinrova in this timeline ? After all, Twinrova resurected Ganon later in the timeline during OoA/OoS.

[@nonoctoro4933]

So he didn't, since she didn't died.

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

@@nonoctoro4933 Wait, if Twinrova didn't actually die, then what was with that one cutscene in Ocarina of Time, when Koume and Kotake turned into angels and then ascended to heaven? Maybe they weren't kidding when they said they were going to haunt Link, thus began the events of Oracle of Ages/Seasons.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 Because OOT never happened in the Downfall Timeline, not the same events as the game. The Game took place in the Adult Timeline and ended into the Child One. In this game, Twinrova did ""cursed us"" to return and haunt us, but never did.

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

@@nonoctoro4933 I'm a bit confused. Mostly because I know very little of the events of Oracle of Ages/Seasons.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 After his Death during ALTTP, they tried to ressurect Ganondorf with Zelda in both games, with the help of Veran and Onox, Demons from the Dark Realm. But the ceremony failed and they sacrified themself, but it was only enough to bring back a mindless Ganon and then he was destroyed.

[@HyruleGamer]

Another amazing Links To The Past episode! Really covered this area of the timeline well so far, can't wait for the 2nd part!

[@nonoctoro4933]

Yeah, but as a Lore connoisseur, I can't prevent myself from noticing mistakes.

[@Boko]

Great job! Can't wait for part 2.

[@darkstardayne8760]

Annoying Bokoblin in not had any notifications for your content for a long time. Are you still putting content on KZbin mate?

[@jasonnegron1446]

He is

[@jupiter843]

Same here

[@Boko]

@@darkstardayne8760 yeah I upload pretty regularly still, maybe you don't have the bell on or something. Although to be fair, my last non-stream video was almost 2 weeks ago now, but I've just been working on a bigger video recently. But stream notifications still probably ought to have come up.

[@darkstardayne8760]

Annoying Bokoblin ok mate I will look into my KZbin settings. Thanks for replying Boko.

[@sosukeaizen7056]

Link died to *DORIYAH*

[@Naofumi-Iwatani]

Bet you cant break my shield

[@quintjordan4444]

Shut up

[@peanut14007]

PERHAPS JUST ONE MORE?

[@JustAWildSkullKid]

Have you ever considered the idea of writing a script for Ocarina of Time and turning it into an audiobook? I would LOVE something like this, your voice is so relaxing, it would be perfect!

[@Sowillo]

The chills ! You're a very good storyteller Zeltik !

[@nonoctoro4933]

Hi you, will you continue yours too ? I

[@alley6950]

this man needs to write books. his narration skills are impeccable and word choice is divine, I would LOVE to read a book he writes.

[@nesnahnomis509]

I'd like to think Link was defeated by Ganon, not Ganondorf.

[@AnthonyJohnson-zk7cc]

No, he was defeated by the Water Temple

[@AnthonyJohnson-zk7cc]

@Jswirv actually he was defeated by Navi

[@Feber2001]

... eaten by Dark Beast Ganon.

[@MinisterRedPill]

No. He died when he pulled the Master Sword

[@quintjordan4444]

You are actually stupid you asked that as you died same as you asking link like he died big noob

[@cobaltlance18]

Zeltik its been 2 years since you even touched this series!

[@EternalAzhrei]

Do you have a video on the greatest mystery, though? When was the break in timeline that allowed the hero's defeat? The split between Child and Adult line happens when Link is sent back in time after winning the Ganon fight and changes the timeline. Is there another split that still allows for Link to be there in the final fight, both to win and to lose? The only possibility that occured to me was that Link might change the past on several occasions when he places the Master Sword back in the pedestal, but he always removes it again, so if he changed that timeline, he'd dissappear from another, not make a copy. How are there two Links, one winning and one losing? If you can answer those questions, Zeltik, I will be truly amazed.

[@Xanji_San]

EternalAzhrei so theres another theory floating around stating that Link was never beaten in combat by Ganon. It instead states that Link created a defeated timeline when he got to the Spirit Temple. Ganondorf has sealed the entrance to the Temple and Link needed to return to the past to retrieve the silver gauntlets, thereby leaving a timeline where Ganondorf had won, successfully blocking Link. When Link returns to future Hyrule, he created the other timeline which would split at some point between Link returning to the Past or staying in the future.

[@bawnshoytwyth4449]

Absolutely amazing storytelling as always Zeltik! You have such a gift. I am finding this video just now (a bit late compared to when you posted it), but would love it if you would post the second part as you had originally planned! Cheers!

[@Kayla133]

I really enjoyed the storytelling in this video.It was like having a bedtime story read to you. Is part 2 still coming?

[@ryanborchert8389]

any idea when we'll be getting the second part to this video? would really love to see the Links to the past lore series continued

[@Hunni_Gummi]

Found this by accident and now I am binge watching them all truly a hidden gem of content

[@Guntherson220]

In the back of my mind I always knew that this is what happened in "The Hero Loses Timeline", but hearing it out loud like this just adds an extra layer of tragedy.

[@oittisallen4057]

This is a great video.

[@mageius]

Personally I always want with Link lost at the very end of the game. You know just when the master sword was knocked from his hand. He had a moment of doubt and his courage wavered. Makes a lot of sense since Ganondorf is turned into beast ganon by that point.

[@thomaszeh2577]

A Link to the Past and Link‘s Awakening are perfect and have so much novelty and greatness going for them. OoT just makes Zelda lore weird.

[@ChristopherPayneMUA]

Still waiting for part 2!! Don't leave us hanging.

[@legionbeast]

As other said, there is very blatant moment that the timeline cracked into the third "Hero falls" timeline. It is when Ganondorf is defeated, but in a last gasp, uses the triforce to unleash the being that became known as Ganon. Before Link can act, Ganon does what no one has been able to do; knock the Master Sword out of his grasp and seal it behind a wall of impenetrable flames. It's at this moment, that Link in that timeline fell in an unwinnable battle. Despite the sealing war taking place, it did not seal away Ganondorf, but Ganon as he no longer could take on his Gerudo form in this timeline.

[@gamerofgamers1417]

Are we ever gonna get the part two of this?

[@Puca205]

Yeah I've been searching for it all day

[@ballista7367]

WE GOT IT

[@wanderingstar3308]

@@ballista7367 got a link (no pun intended)?

[@lancefox6047]

I absolutely love these retellings/ in-depth analysis of zelda lore! Please continue to make these videos because they are so great!

[@johnnaliggett3625]

When are you coming out with the second part....these are fantastic, please keep doing them

[@geminimojo8019]

Damn this was cool. I wish there was an actual part 2 though. Blue balled man. Great video though.

[@damienkaukonen5871]

I heard a great theory that the downfall timeline was the original timeline, and then the Zelda of the future on that timeline used magic to send a vision (dream) to the zelda of OoT, thus creating the split. That further split when there was adult link and child link.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

A neat theory, but wrong, we see all the timeline splits happen within OoT itself

[@TheMagicalPinata]

@@InhabitantOfOddworld Yes, that is how you get the other two splits (young and old link timelines). So downfall is original timeline. Zelda from the future there sends a vision to OoT Zelda about what happens. So Zelda in OoT acts on those dreams (as she mentions in the game), accidentally creating 2 new timelines by the end of the game; Young link and Adult link timelines.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

@TheMagicalPinata Downfall is the timeline up until when young Link pulls the Master Sword, just to be clear

[@kazenosakura151]

You’ve got a real knack for storytelling! I love the videos and how gameplay footage was edited to help with the storytelling, and the music choice was well put together. I look forward to your future videos, especially for this segment! Happy I found your channel! Keep up the great work!! 👍

[@joaquindm647]

Seeing your video after Zelda mentions it in TOTK opening.

[@Luckytarianism]

I'm really glad that I had come across this channel a few weeks ago. I've been really liking this series, and I can't wait for part 2. Keep up the awesome content. Cheers!

[@SierraGustafson]

When are you going to post the next part of this series? This is so cool! Also, the Legend of Zelda games aren't the only franchise that has a Downfall timeline, since the Legend of Erdrick saga of Dragon Quest games (R.I.P. Akira Toriyama) also have a Downfall timeline by means of the first Builders game, in which the hero of the first Dragon Quest game accepted the Dragonlord's offer to rule half of the entire world, only for the Dragonlord to kill him and plunge Alefgard into darkness.

[@enrihoward6077]

The two bravest, strongest, and most important characters are going to fight, sir. How do you feel want us to animate and program the fight? “Make them play ping pong”

[@IssunEmbersong]

Everytime I see "(Zelda Lore)" I immediately feel fulfilled, even before watching it. :'D Love these videos~

[@MCEnderTaker]

i want to be in the timeline where this series has been continued

[@songoku9348]

Fallen hero timeline is my favourite. I like to think that Link from ALTTP is the Hero of Time reincarnated given a 2nd chance.

[@kristianimingenskjellet6056]

Thank you for another great video. As others have mentioned you're a great storyteller. I'm really looking forward to part two. Keep up the splendid work! I'm really astonished about the fact that you're running the channel all by yourself, kudos!

[@nonoctoro4933]

Good but there was some errors. -Downfall Timeline's "OOT" events aren't those of the game. There are slightly different, and not only the ending. As Twinrova survived, she wasn't killed and came back in OOT. So the question is; Did Link really fought her, then ? The Sages' medaillon gives an additionnal Strength to Link, maybe he skipped this part and fought Ganondorf weaker. "Keep my spirit with you... And, find the power of the other Sages and add their might to your own!" -ALTTP Lore in the manual tells us that Ganondorf was indeed able to control the Power of the Triforce inside the sacred Realm and was with other Thieves that he killed before touching the sacred power with his hand full of their Blood. Ganondorf was surely helped by the Gerudo and killed them. But then Hyrule Historia slighly contradict the manual by saying that Ganondorf still made the triforce split and had to take it back from Link and Zelda. The Lore of the manual is still the founding Canon, so it's hard to see an inbetween with the two. -OOT Ganon and ALTTP Ganon aren't the same, as one only used the Triforce of Power while the other used the complete one to turn into the Demon King. ALTTP Ganon was far from being mindless, he is even the smartest Ganon of all. And he had no shiny double blades. - The Sages never intended to Seal Ganon in the Sacred Realm, they were plaining to seal him into the "Evil Realm"(Dark Realm, as the one in Spirits Tracks, the Demon's World) that is located below the Realm of the Dead. It was indeed their last hope to prevent Ganon from taking over the World. Here is the Translation of ALTTP Manual: "However, one day, due completely by accident, the entrance of the sacred place was opened by a band of thieves. It says that the group pushed each other, their eye color changing, as they drew nearer (the Triforce). When the desperate struggle among the group draw to an end, the group's leader had survived and won. His hand dirty with fresh blood, the leader touched the Triforce and the crest's spirit whispered. "A person with a wish, I await, make the wish." The leader smiled, and the echo of his laugh echoed across time and space and even to the far away land of Hyrule. The man's name was Ganondorf, and his common name was Ganon of the race of evil thieves. At this time the evil King Ganon, who threatened Hyrule, was born. Ganon acquired the Triforce, but no one knows what Ganon wished for. Yet, Ganon's evil made it to even Hyrule as it spread. " And then, the Imprisoning War started with: "People of greed were herded and consumed by this power, and disappeared" (Probably about Blind's clan of Thieves.)

[@nonoctoro4933]

@Bucket List Yes, he turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World after touching the Triforce. Lorule has nothing to do with it at all.

[@humulos]

Both Ganons are definitely the same one. The Zelda series is just full of retcons, so nothing will fit perfectly. As such, Hyrule Historia is currently considered the final word, despite possible inconsistencies.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@Zachary Erickson That's what it is, indeed.

[@MrZangetsu468]

The manual is retconned, it also states that the people of Hyrule created the Master Sword but no Hero appeared to wield it, which is false. Hylia created the Goddess Sword, SS Link made it into the MS and the Hero of Time did wield it but he failed.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@MrZangetsu468 Well ... It doesn't, the US translation was bad. It really said : "The Triforce itself cannot judge between good and evil. That is because only the gods can do that. However, it could not be assumed that only a good person would get their hands on the Triforce. For that reason, the people of Hyrule were told by the gods to make something that would repulse any evil that may kidnap the Triforce: the blade of evil's bane." And then ... "The Sages first had to search for the existence of the Master Sword and a hero to use it." Hylia was chosen to be the guardian of the Triforce by the Golden Goddesses, but we never knew if she made the Goddess Sword Herself. Also, Link had to forge the Master Sword to protect the Triforce and everything else from Demise.

[@michaela6425]

Zeltik, can you please do the imprisoning war? I'm a big fan of this type of stuff and I and many others would like to see a new a link to the past video.

[@herrpez]

You might want to put links to follow-up videos in the description.

[@ZiiRose]

Glad I checked the comments for hints at where to find part 2 because I was not having any luck with searching and was not about to scroll through 5 years worth of videos

[@walop]

Link dies when he opens the sacred realm and Ganondorf sneaks behind him, I don’t care what Nintendo says. The sages can wake themselves up, don’t they have an alarm clock?!?! 1. Link was a kid, weak and easily defeated , adult link was needed to be able to defeat ganondorf, rauru witness links defeat 2. Rauru used the power of the sacred realm to rewind time in another time line and gives link another chance

[@nonoctoro4933]

I have similar Ideas. One involving the Song of Storm Paradox. Someone, not us, a third Link, played the song of Storm.

[@MrZangetsu468]

Similar to my theory castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=9669.0

[@BelieveIt1051]

They needed Link to break the curses on the temples so they could awaken as sages. Ganondorf was preventing them from awakening.

[@MrZangetsu468]

BelieveIt1051 That only happens during the 7 years when Link was asleep. The original timeline where Link fell, doesn't incorporate this event.

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@MrZangetsu468 I was referring to walop's theory of Ganondorf killing Link after entering the Sacred Realm. He believes the game would play out as usual without Link, which I pointed out isn't possible since Ganondorf cursed the temples to prevent the Sages from waking themselves up, as walop put it.

[@MaladyKayjo]

Oh nice, I can’t wait for part two *looks at date this was released* oh it probably already out, let’s look and see, *looks to find nothing* ;(

[@SRWOtaku]

Wow... I suggested this idea, and you do NOT disappoint. I can't wait for part 2!

[@domcash1132]

This is the timeline where i broke all the pots before fighting Ganondorf and then closed out the game

[@meganmcdermott4892]

I absolutely love this series 😜

[@smilerdude4704]

Me too love it so much

[@carl_consumer.of.reality]

Megan M I especially like the Fort Hateno one, so epic.

[@RedDeadSakharine]

Really love your editing & how you use different sources to visualize the story. Your videos are always real fun to watch. 👌

[@centurosproductions8827]

It's really weird that drawing the Master Sword put Link into stasis, giving Ganondorf *7 years* to do whatever he wanted.

[@roldy7534]

the master sword didn't put him into the stasis the sages did. it was too soon for link to have the sword, so the sage put him into a "time trance" till he was old enough

[@PsiChaos2701]

@@roldy7534 I always thought that was the Master Sword's doing, and the only reason the Master Sword didn't affect Hero of the Wind Link was simply because it was effectively powerless when he drew it. I guess it makes sense considering it is the Sages who provide power to the Master Sword that the Sages are in part responsible for sealing the Hero of Time until he became of age.

[@Edgeperor]

Either way, couldn’t whatever stasised him just said “no dude, come back in seven years”? It would’ve definitely given Link the opportunity to weaken Ganondorf’s hold on everything, and Ganondorf also wouldn’t’ve been able to get in the sacred realm

[@ProZack990]

Fantastic job Zeltik. I have recently wondered about what happened during the 7 year gap while Link slept in OoT, but this is close enough. Although I personally don't like the idea of a downfall timeline (I mean, what if that concept were applied to every other Zelda game and each particular Link fell? Too many potential branching timelines) and much prefer a split timeline, this video is very informative.

[@nonoctoro4933]

When Link was sealed for seven years, Ganondorf took over Hyrule. This Hero of Time has to fail in order to allow the one we played in the Game, to won.

[@ProZack990]

@@nonoctoro4933 Sorry, but I did not phrase my original comment correctly. I already know that Ganondorf took over during the 7 year gap, as I have played OoT several times, but what I meant to say was I have always wanted to know what happened in full detail. He took over.....but what did that look like exactly? What happened during year 1, 2....and so on. How did the people cope? What was it like for Zelda and Impa? I could go on, but you get the idea. To be honest, I think I would read a book telling that story. Thanks for your reply though! 👍

[@MagillanicaLouM]

"The deep baritone of the man's voice" *portrayed through text

[@SierraGustafson]

I'm surprised that no one had made a canon Legend of Erdrick timeline since the release of the eleventh Dragon Quest game. I always see timelines for that franchise.

[@Linkskyfyre]

A Link to the Past should be really called The legend of Zelda Revenge of the Hero.

[@snake4322]

Well, it came before the whole "3 timelines" thing

[@Linkskyfyre]

Westy yeah I know lol but if they ever remade it, it should be called that

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

Or just call it Return of The Hero. The official explanation will be that heroes don't take revenge but in reality-we just wanna save money on that extra letter.

[@jojonta2119]

@Matthew Stratton What, "a link to the past"? Damn people call anything cringy and retarded these days don't they? Grow up man.

[@juice2307]

@Matthew Stratton Dude, don't take your pent up aggression at your Dad and his dadjokes on everyone else.

[@Joshyboy225]

This “Links to the Past” playlist feels like a zelda history class and I love it. When’s the test, Professor Zeltik?

[@a5-806]

Was that Zeltik that did the Ganondorf voice? If so, good job!

[@Buphido]

I read a theory that the actual canon event was that Link was defeated by Ganon, and then the Hero of Legend, upon using his wish to the Triforce to restore Hyrule, also resurrected the Hero of Time back in his time, so that he could go on to defeat Ganon.

[@krazyplushadventures3780]

I love this series!

[@runauni3417]

These videos are what I look forward to the most on all of KZbin!! Awesome work as always

[@LABeam-mr8pf]

When do we get the follow up on this lol? You got me all intrigued!

[@MaEun1]

This couldn't have been posted at a more appropriate time, well for me at least, since I just did a rerun of A Link to the Past. Love your work dude, keep it up.

[@ashleykachuba2210]

OOOOOf im in love with this series.

[@hylianglitchmobber7570]

3:05 sometimes I forget Ganon knows how to play the piano/organ

[@ArchangelApollo]

WHile it's a visually beautiful video and well nararated, given the direct contradiction to A Link to the Past's description of how Ganondorf broke into the Sacred Realm and seized the Triforce in the Sacred Realm, I have to disagree with your depiction of how and when Link fell to Ganondorf and how Ganondorf obtained the Triforce. Even Hyrule Historia shows it being a branch of events separate from the Child and Adult Timelines rather than being a branch off the Adult Timeline. VortexxyGaming put out an amazing video depicting how the Downfall Timeline is the original timeline and how the Child and Adult timeline split off the Downfall Timeline thanks to some other time travel shenanigans. /watch?v=WYou_UEqE84

[@dabeemz5107]

Is there a part 2 and I'm just missing it? Your videos are too good my guy!

[@cocomunga]

Ganon is so easy in OoT. Link must have been a major noob.

[@Ratmus1]

2:40 I see a madman playing with his organ while a princess has no choice but to watch.

[@firenutz698]

Where is part 2?

[@vicrattlehead6386]

If anyone noticed, the "game over" theme from Minish cap is the prologue tune from ALttp, I wonder if its Nintendo subtle way to imply that Alltp is in "fallen hero" timeline....

[@TeeStache]

With the explanation of what happened to the TriForce, (with BOTW in the failed hero timeline) it explains the necessity of the power of the guardians and divine beasts needed to stop him. He has the TriForce, the item that holds absolute godlike power. It would take godlike power to fight him back.

[@nonoctoro4933]

Exept that he didn't at all during BOTW nor 10 000 prior. Zelda had and has it. His power came from the Malice, Demise's Grudge and Hatred that evolved into this monstruosity. He predicted it, Demise predicted Calamity Ganon.

[@TeeStache]

Nonoctoro As explained in Wind Waker, the TriForce can grant a single wish to whoever possesses it. Ganon didn’t have the TriForce in BOTW because it must have left him after granting his wish for great power, which he got. So, Link was the strongest warrior selected to be a champion in BOTW, made into Zelda’s guard, and we don’t see or hear of Link having the TriForce of courage, AT ALL. It leaves gaps of how the TriForce transferred to Zelda, unless bathing in holy goddess water gives you the fragments. Ganon not having the TriForce could explain why he has been getting weaker and weaker with each resurrection. He had to turn the machines against the Hylians, that sounds like desperation more than a good plan.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@TeeStache Ganon wasn't weak at all. It is said that the "Sealing Power" is passed down from Mothers to Daughters. Zelda's Mother had it before dying. ALTTP Ganon kept the Triforce even after his wish Granted.

[@TeeStache]

Nonoctoro The BOTW Ganon fight seemed too easy, at least when I played. I haven’t beaten LTTP, did Link beat Ganon and retrieve the TriForce from him?

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@TeeStache "Too easy" ? If it wasn't thanks to Zelda's added Weakpoints made with her "Sealing Power", he would be unbeatable even with the Master Sword. He did yes, but Ganon kept the Triforce in a specific Room in the Pyramide while he was controlling Agahnim. He fought us without it.

[@matthew6466]

I'm loving this series. Please make more.

[@r3gret2079]

Holu macaroni!!! Where is part 2 yo!?!?

[@epica6soona56]

As much detail and lore has been put into Zelda, my favorite franchise ever, they really should start putting mote story arc into games. It's also strange how the sealing wars was so long ago, the Zelda a link to the past that blew our minds back in the era when we our super Nintendo controller and played not knowing anything. Wow, then all the new people to the franchise, lol I'm glad to see more people enjoying the series, I that Zeltink is showing and talking about us, this way noobs get all your questions answered and they can stop asking the fans..😀. Zelda really does deserve to have more story arc put into them, it's come a long way, just like the many legends of Hyrule. In truth they should make a game about the the fall of Link, and this game should be called rise of a new hero.

[@XZenon]

I think the child and adult timelines are nice, but the downfall timeline has always kinda been.. wrong to me.

[@herosshade2247]

Dude, your narration would make a fine adaptation for a novel or audiobook. Great writing.

[@EvyDevy]

ACTUALLY, Link does not die in the downfall timeline from what I gathered. Hyrule Historia only said he's defeated! Not killed! To back this up, Hyrule Historia also states the Knights of Hyrule in ALttPs prologue are descendants of Link from OoT. Which couldn't happen if he died by the time he fought Ganondorf.

[@nonoctoro4933]

Well, half of what you said is true. Yes, we don't know the fate of the Downfall Hero of Time. The Knight Clan is older than that, and the Hero mentionned is more certainly Skyward Sword's one. "The Crest of Courage" they are talking about could be the one we completed while forging the Master Sword. Also, the Hylian Shield of the Knights are surely inspired by SS Link's Hylia's Shield.

[@EvyDevy]

@@nonoctoro4933 Makes sense.

[@MrZangetsu468]

You're correct about Link not dying, but the ALTTP maidens are descendants of the 7 Sages (all different races) so 'descendants' can be interpreted in different ways. ALTTP's pedestal of the Master Sword talks about Link "Keeping the Knight's line true". This simply infers he was a descendant of the Knight's of Hyrule (as his uncle was and as BOTW Link is) not that he was a blood relative to the original hero from OOT.

[@johnathanera5863]

@@MrZangetsu468 no hes not. Link died lol. Theres no reason to believe otherwise except for fanboys that dont want to beleive link can die. Guess what? He can, you can get him killed by ganon IN GAME. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[@mega77]

Guys don't take Zelda lore and timelines too seriously. In the end the Zelda serie just a big patchwork of games unrealated to each other for the most part (except Direct sequels like OoT -> MM ; WW -> PH -> ST etc). Most games were created with their own setting, locations, races, artifacts etc without the need to stick to any timeline or global lore, a bit like the Final Fantasy franchise (names, symbols artefacts are consistent through the serie, but that's it). Just open Hyrule Historia and see how many points in the timeline don't make any sense. Nintendo just tried to stick things to barely make sense and please the fans. Reality is global lore coherence will never be the prime focus of the teams working on Zelda games. They just choosed to split timelines on the most beloved and convenient entry of the timeline (because of the time travel mecanics in OoT) so they can have more room to try to make things work together. But this particular branch (hero defeated) looks very artificial let's be honest. The two first branches makes sense but this one is kinda silly, because it means that everytime the player would loose against Ganon in any Zelda game it would create another timeline. Let's be honest they just came with this solution in order to create a 3rd timeline. Therefore debating on Link's death or survival is kinda trivial when so many elements in the games don't make sense when sticked to one another.

[@littlebighead4482]

looking forward to a part 2 of this if you're still planning on making it!

[@laughisfun2003]

My brother in Christ it’s been four years

[@littlebighead4482]

@@laughisfun2003 i'm am optimist

[@laughisfun2003]

@@littlebighead4482 Yknow what? That’s fair

[@OwenNewton]

Love the series! Any word on part 2?

[@Ryguy0707]

Dont stop making these! They are great

[@Pory02]

Didn't he said there will be an second part? But I can't find one? What happens woth that? :(

[@kittiekat10105]

Zeltik: king of thieves- my brain: THERE'S A PARTY HERE IN AGRABAH

[@josuebarba9361]

Zelda fans: "I will not believe that!, Link cannot be killed!" also zelda fans: *proceeds to create tons of fanart of Link getting killed*

[@skullkid8094]

No need to worry, he wasnt killed just defeated.

[@wenbluepirate3954]

????

[@jaspernightshade5087]

I'm really liking your Links to the Past series! Definitely excited for part two.

[@angelopan9974]

Where is part2?

[@republicofsenex]

I love your Zelda series I can't wait for the Link to the Past Story You should do a story on the life of Link for the Link to the Past, Oracle games and Link's Awakening. And what happened to him after that.

[@nonoctoro4933]

Is the Gramps from ALBW, actually ALTTP Link ?

[@Darkstar2630]

If that is him, I wonder how he found his way back to Hyrule at the end of LA.

[@nonoctoro4933]

@@Darkstar2630 It's the Hero. He tamed a Gyorg, of course.

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

This basically happened because Egoraptor played Ocarina of Time.

[@lootador]

Wow, that storytelling is ridiculously good! Awesome Job! I played link to the past as a kid and recently picked up botw. Didnt know zelda hat such an awesome Story, Timelines etc. Haha mindblown