The debate over trans female athletes' participation in school sports

[@handsomestik]

the fact that this is a question is insane

[@davidprince1138]

Yes, freaking mind boggling that we need to say "men should not compete with women".

[@poweraverage5773]

@@davidprince1138 Yaha Texas had a trans man fight in the woman's divishion when he was on T.

[@AngelEmfrbl]

@@poweraverage5773 There was that issue with the girls fighting to take out 2 trans runners out of their youth track competitions. Those 2 boys went onto win their events 3 years in a row. The attitude of the parents was just ; "IF they don't like it they should run faster then". Except... They can't run faster, girls haven't got that kinda of strength. I think the highlighted point is if someone like U.Bolt had transisitioned and entered female sports... Well.. Good bye all women's track records and atheletes.

[@poweraverage5773]

​@@AngelEmfrbl You are making it out as if the girls are blowing away the competition completely, even though often athletes do good whale others do not quite as well, and everyone has good days and bad days. U. Bolt is already doing good in men's sports so if he had the build of how he would be if he never went on male puberty, and instead went on female puberty he would have about the same amount of success but in women's sports. A few big things that people do not conceder are that putting trans people in the teams of the gender that they were assigned at birth makes it seem as if it is ok to discriminate against trans people and reinforces the belief that trans people are not the gender that they say they are. Which is the main reason that people are often closed-minded to trans people. The other thing that is not often considered is that high school sports are not all about earning scholarships and wining it is about getting social experience and having fun and it is horrible to take that away from a kid just for being trans.

[@lisatryme3518]

@@poweraverage5773 Stop just stop. We have yet to hear about a male trans beating biological men at running, weight lifting, MMA fights, and etc. At this point it’s starting to look biological women are being bullied. If people care so much about Trans, then an all trans sports league need to made. The end

[@ricmorales3406]

I don't see no trans men breaking records.. But trans women... well that's a diffrent story.

[@mastermanifestor1021]

Lol good point

[@lxnden]

Trans - men have broken records. You are just transphobic, lmao.

[@ricmorales3406]

@@lxnden oh. When? Reciepts pls. You must be reality phobic to not accept the truth. Lmao

[@raybrunken9707]

@@ricmorales3406 bruh. Nice one!

[@jaylet8208]

@@lxnden Link one

[@revelation6175]

It's amazing how science goes out the window because of people's feelings.

[@rappakalja5295]

It's funny how human rights go out of the window because of artifical bigotry.

[@sean6067]

@@Therezumee92 doesn't have much advantage does not mean that they have no advantage. In any competitive sport where almost every second counts, any minor advantage is still an advantage.

[@larryames8831]

@@Therezumee92 review advantage in the realm of sports.

[@larryames8831]

@@Therezumee92 advantage in sports - ignorance displayed.

[@larryames8831]

@@rappakalja5295 as they are born or how they choose to be altered. I glad the lady likes to run, it will enhance her health. And if the lady wishes to compete form a league. I bet $50 that league will segregate along birth chromosomes - all sports are competitive.

[@10ashagirl]

Let transgender athletes compete against each other in their own category.

[@agardenapart9515]

They don't want that because then they can't dominate.

[@destroyeraseimprove8969]

Call it the freak show

[@Sky-kf4fh]

No because it discriminates against us. We don’t need a “special” event. Let us live normal

[@sakhipradhanani5842]

@@Sky-kf4fh how’s that’s discrimination does women feel discriminated when they don’t compete in male sports or vise versa???? How’s that okay asking for equality while clearly trans people have biological advantage ???

[@Sky-kf4fh]

@@sakhipradhanani5842 actually if they didn’t go through male puberty such as myself there is “NO ADVANTAGE “ and it has been proven. If they undergo male puberty it’s unfair because yes then they do have an advantage. But people in my scenario it’s discrimination because we are built just the same as females. So yes it’s discrimination because people with the same muscle mass, same strength are not allowed just because we have a penis… y’all don’t understand the difference in a trans woman who undergoes male puberty and one who doesn’t because there is a significant difference.

[@00_runner]

They need their own category

[@ThaRedPitbull]

Agreed. That's the only way.

[@harrymills2770]

There are too few of them.

[@TheTuesday11]

@@harrymills2770 according to stats there’s more then we think. If it’s really important to them they will create their own outlets to compete.

[@derronjoseph1408]

Exactly

[@mobutter2879]

@@harrymills2770 Not our problem!

[@racingpixel]

Why can’t an Adult athlete identify themselves as a Junior Athlete and just obliterate Junior records? Why is everyone so Age-phobic? Moral of the story: we need a Trans-Sports category.

[@raybrunken9707]

Good point.

[@amuroray1085]

At this day and age I don't know if your joking or dead serious.

[@Valentine98]

Because you can't change your age stupid.

[@nusskernmischung5428]

@@Valentine98 you can't change chromosomes either ma guy

[@racingpixel]

@@Valentine98 If we are talking biology and NOT self identification, A persons TRUE biological age is actually more variant, than a person’s PRECISE biological X & Y Chromosomal variation. So self-Age identification is NOT absurd. So if you feel young at heart, you may in fact actually BE younger BIOLOGICALLY.

[@raoulfr]

How far can you take this, at some point it’s ridiculous. Live your life, but don’t expect others to accept it

[@rodmills737]

I totally agree with your comment

[@joelmccall6328]

Exactly thats how a lot of people feel. Whether you agree or disagree.

[@tiffanybolling5354]

Exactly

[@SUGAR_XYLER]

Yeah, look at ALL the DISLIKES on this video

[@CaptainCJ97]

Facts

[@matthewm7777]

No matter how you want to feel, it can’t beat science. Either make transgender leagues or just put transgender people in leagues with their original gender.

[@TheSterlingArcher16]

My horse identifies as a camel, I’m going to register him in some camel races.

[@tialembalkralo8664]

My cat is now identified as a Tiger now my cat is kicking doggg azzzzz

[@michaelbonade4667]

My penis identifies as a LARGER PENIS…..please don’t trigger him with laughter or by calling him by his dead name, “tiny”…”shorty”….”hey there little fella”….ANY one of them 🤨

[@napoleonbonaparte1260]

I might get troubled and sued by telling this, BUT YOUR CAMEL IS A HORSE!! YOUR HORSE IS A BIOLOGICAL HORSE! ITS AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE VS CAMELS! YOU SHOILD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

[@carebear1O1]

😂😃😁💯

[@mashrurkabirriyan5182]

Toss that into the desert bruh

[@Nothing-fp7jg]

I love how they say the bills ban transathletes from sports. They aren't being banned from sport entirely!

[@poweraverage5773]

"I love how they say the Baseball Color line is baning blackathlets from the MLB. They aren't being banned from the MLB entirely!"

[@i_Ambrose]

@@poweraverage5773 does being black give you an inherent advantage? MLB = MLB Women sports ≠ sports

[@agardenapart9515]

They can still compete as men they just won't win gold medals.

[@poweraverage5773]

@@agardenapart9515 You can say the exact same thing about cis women.

[@actie-reactie]

Starting the vid with an emotional statement trying to let people forget that its just unfair against real women...

[@fivefiveqt214]

Right! I caught that too. SMDH

[@smartchristians]

Where was the opposing voice to transgender “expert”? Where was the actual expert explaining the real difference between male and females?

[@youfoundme4939]

My heart goes out to all. I have a transgender niece. They should have sports for transgender only. Maybe this will be a step closer for her. But to run against birth females no.

[@De_Gabriel]

hii, is there a chance that we could get your niece's insight on this?

[@dexterf5220]

god no, if you have a penis your a boy, vagina then your a girl. thats how it is, cant change your gender

[@craigarkensaw]

@@dexterf5220 we know, but giving this endless discussion, the only solution is to create transgender sports so they can’t beat biological women.

[@amark350]

@@dexterf5220 yep... pretty simple. Unfortunately, crazy is ruling the day in many places

[@kix5365]

@@craigarkensaw I disagree about transgender category. How many trans people are there in a given community? And how many of them are athletes trying to compete? Youd definitely run into situations where this town or that town has ZERO transgenders to compete against making them feel even lonlier and more depressed. This would happen a lot. They are boys they need to compete in the boys league.

[@matttrembley8584]

If saying biological men have athletic advantages over biological women is “conservative” instead of just common sense and the truth oh boy will that backfire in future elections. Stating objective facts as partisan issues always back fire for the other side pushing the falsehoods.

[@poseidon2363]

I'm with the democrats but I have to agree.

[@callumross1528]

Estrogen helps even the field for transwomen, testosterone helps even the field for transmen. I don't see your point.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@callumross1528 smdh

[@matttrembley8584]

@@callumross1528 you don’t just “even the field” it’s not easy process.

[@wallinggraham3836]

@@callumross1528 there are more factors than just a single hormone. Men with higher testosterone than other men arent necessarily at an advantage for this reason

[@zapsturns1168]

If they insist on transgender competing as how they identify why not have 3 categories in school sports. Male, female and transgender.

[@agardenapart9515]

Because then they can't dominate.

[@justleon721]

Not enough of them. Male, female & co-ed would be better.

[@PietM749]

There as more than 40 catagories now. I think you are either a man or a women classified by DNA and your chromosomes. If you don't relate they must have a catagorie for the mentally ill.

[@kenparker9118]

"real effects on real people" - Well duh - Allowing biological males to compete against girls has a real effect.

[@MRdjDICKEY]

People don't like facts and always use how I feel as a reason. I hope they continue to protect biological women's rights.

[@smokexsmoke99]

You’re wrong. hormone therapy makes your body act as that gender, so a trans women is actually not any stronger than a cis women. but because of this they have rules in place for sports to make it fair in case there was an advantage. it’s just not an issue, a lot of trans people in sports either compete with their assigned gender or don’t compete at all after transitional as well so i’d love to see where these massive record breakings are. send a link please!!

[@MRdjDICKEY]

@@smokexsmoke99 so have you ever looked at how the bone structure is different between the 2? Men have a higher bone mass muscle mass and less body fat then biological women. Men have longer legs and arms. Men are overall physical stronger then women. These are facts. Hormones don't affect the bone structure and muscle mass. This is proven science. So to say a transwomen is the same as a biological women is scientifically incorrect. There no amount of surgery or medication that can change that. If you want to change your sex cool but don't start ruining biological women's rights along the way.

[@smokexsmoke99]

@@MRdjDICKEY Do you know what hormone replacement therapy does? Let’s just flip it for you: my friend is a trans man. He’s been on testosterone for 5 years now - meaning he’s tall, he’s wide, he’s muscular and he grows a wicked beard. He hasn’t been mistaken for a woman in years. Would you want him - the tall, wide and hairy dude - in the women’s league? Because that does not sound like a good idea.

[@MRdjDICKEY]

@@smokexsmoke99 you cannot change bone density and muscle mass to he the same as men. Your friend is still biological a woman. This is been proven with scientific evidence. The most that women gain is 5% on average with hormones treatment. Men are on average have a 30% more bone density and muscle mass then women. So your friend is still shy by 25% on average. They have done studies in Europe about this and in controlled test. They did 1 test over 10years of research and transgender men only increased their bone mass anywhere from 2% to 5% depending on what part of the body. Also unfortunately your friend cannot produce sprem. There's no procedure or treatment that can change that. Your friend can have babies. You can change the facts. You can change your outside but you can't change the inside. Facts are facts. Address the science that proves transgender men can't be biological men. Transgender women can't be biological women. When a transfer man can have sprem and transgender woman have a period and can give birth then maybe ill change my mind. Its such a shame you won't look at science and your using feelings. You need to have an open mind and look at the research. I would love you show facts vs your silly opinion.

[@MRdjDICKEY]

@@smokexsmoke99 honestly think they need their own league. That will solve the problem. They will be with their own kind. People are getting sick of this community with their feelings. Keep it up none will support you. Look at Netflix issue. No one important is supporting. And I leave with that. Not going debate with someone who uses feelings as an answer. Have a great life.

[@karaaaaaaaa2354]

No they don’t look like “regular girls”. They always show trans athletes alone never with the other female athletes, they are ENORMOUS compared. Have you seen the size of them? Big huge guys beating up women, that’s all it is. Good men don’t do this.

[@doughboy7686]

They should. It is a unfair advantage for a boy to change over to a girl and compete with girls but has the strength of a man. Get ya mind right dude tour a guy.

[@AnnaBella510]

Maybe because this is the only competition he knows he can win against.

[@cwj_721]

@erin crouse have you taken biology class yet?

[@AnnaBella510]

@erin crouse If they have no Uterus, Go play with the boys. If you don't bleed once a month, go play with the boys. Funny how everyone wants to forget about science once Trans people catch feelings.

[@nathan5041]

@erin crouse fun fact; a man can be the same strength as a woman. however, most of the time, men are stronger than women. trans girls are, in fact, biologically men. see where i'm going with this?

[@nathan5041]

@erin crouse i'm not a Christian, nor do i deny science. it seems like you're the one going off of beliefs and denying science more than me. :/

[@dlamxpro]

imagine Zion decided that he was a girl and requested to participate female high school basketball

[@kdjank10]

@@Rayado_26 bruh

[@joshuachavez8136]

😭😭😭

[@DubbZ471]

Yea I’m 6’8 so I’m going to be in the WNBA and claim I’m female, for I could make it ez for myself 😈

[@lithium25693]

@@DubbZ471 sounds like you will finally make the WNBA watchable

[@Scarsofevil]

LMAO.

[@margarbieadams8200]

Sorry but you can start your own group or league but it is unfair that you want to come into female sports and take away all the hard work of these ladies. I agree with the bill 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@erin crouse YWNBAW

[@heathermarie3820]

Excluding trans? How about intruding into women's sports? Interesting semantics.

[@nusskernmischung5428]

right? it's insane.

[@Sky-kf4fh]

Yes excluding trans is what your doing lol and it is anti trans. But teens like MYSELF who started transition at 12 is crazy to think the ones like myself are stronger than cis females. I did not gain muscle mass like a man NOR CAN I! Y’all don’t realize y’all are ruining life’s of the generation to come. Stop being stuck in your old ways because times are changing and we will continue to fight to compete. All y’all 1900s baby’s make it harder on the 2000s people of this world. So sit back, relax, acknowledge your old and in your old ways and just stfu :)

[@TypeSly]

@@Sky-kf4fh How about the people who transition at 22? Look at your haeteful and bigoted reply... and now you expect some empathy for your plight? What a joke! Do what you want with your life. Just don't expect to compete against cis women and have reasonable people be happy about it.

[@jordanaguirre2540]

Look simply If my daugther had to compete against a trans female I would much rather have her forfit in protest than actually competing

[@jordanaguirre2540]

@erin crouse no I am not a bigot ma'am you see as a fellow libral I can Honestly say thats whats wrong with the other librals now in days yall like to say thats bigotry thats racist thats this thats that, you guys dont know what the hell your talking about.

[@jordanaguirre2540]

@erin crouse whether you like it or not there is an advantage girls who were born in male bodies have more muscle and more strength than girls who were born into female bodies.... Now I can agree that there can be scientific research that can hold the arguement if a person took estrogen before puberty that can very well make a differnce but no such investigation has been done

[@jordanaguirre2540]

@erin crouse wow seriously did I hit a nerve with you??? You need your safe space???? Look this is the science when someone is born if your a make your born with an XY chromosomes when your born female your born with XX chromosomes.. Now if thats a fact you cant accept thats your drama. Now when some one transitions into a different sex thats completely different. And btw Ive always been a democrat dont link me to those dam trump worshipping republicans

[@jordanaguirre2540]

@erin crouse I already explained to you the science and Im not trolling anyone. So again idk what arguement your trying to make or whats your question or bottom line?? And yes Im for minorities rights as I am a minority in this country but when I hear a bad idea people should feel free to express themselves in a health and positive manner.

[@jordanaguirre2540]

@erin crouse o lord listen I imagine you been and graduated high school correct??? In biology didnt they teach you the basics of human anatomy??? Look if you identify as a women great more power too you I have nothing against that. Were I take issue is when girls born in male bodies want to compete in women sports I dont find that right. Now if theres a leggit arguement that can presuade my point of view im open to that discussion. But the way your carrying yourself you lost a debate before you even began.

[@stoicspawn3936]

Common sense is dead & it shows.

[@fivefiveqt214]

Usain Bolt can retire from men’s track, transition to a woman, then start competing against cis women bc that’s fair for him only, forget about the unfairness to actual women. I bet he will break all records his first year.

[@laylasway7901]

He probably wouldn't even have to train much to do it either

[@fromouttaleftfield6932]

We'll your husbands shall soon be enjoying a more fulfilling home life. We gays and transexuals are not only going to replace you in sports but the bedroom as well. You've become obsolete. Your kind is only useful for creating more of us. I love straight men and feel that they deserve so much better than you or the likes of your kind. Straight men deserve better.

[@JBNO78]

Dam what is the world coming too. If you birth certificate said boy than you play sports with boys. If your birth certificate says girl than you play with girl. This will ruin the competition of fair play.

[@yccobr]

I thought trans could have their birth certificates modified.

[@love4075]

@@yccobr they can I'm sure of it

[@chrisgomez2976]

lmao your dumb you can change the gender on your birth certificate and ID/drivers license

[@JBNO78]

@@yccobr if u get a menstrual cycle than your a girl. If u don't your a boy!!!

[@JBNO78]

@@chrisgomez2976 if u get a menstrual cycle your female if you don't than your a boy.

[@joshlonon2614]

Maybe we should use critical thinking about our society above reactive emotions.

[@d2dag5]

It’s not fair. Men have the advantage. Because even if they become a “woman” they don’t get rid of their male strength. They should maybe have their own team to make it fair.

[@IkeAndoit]

My understanding is that after sufficient hormone therapy they are of similar physical strength and ability, so prior to that yes there would be an advantage and is unfair. From the article it does say that this is recommended advice from the authorities of the sport. I think the simplest solution is to have a transgender competition as well at least until there has been more research done to give a more detailed review of the advantages or disadvantages etc. Change takes time and understanding

[@jamalwilburn228]

Nah, this is what "equality" and being "woke" gets you. Equal rights equal lefts

[@malinoisnation9392]

@@IkeAndoit making a mans hormones match that of a women will never take away the years of elevated testosterone. Different hip angles. Sizes of hands and bones are Not the same.

[@Nunyabidness9660]

Or wait until they are adults to change

[@IkeAndoit]

@@malinoisnation9392 hence why I suggested a separate Transgender competition until they have done more research to enable an informed decision.

[@mansamusa7048]

Not fair to REAL girls.

[@karolina8255]

thats not how it works, once they are female their body changes like females, you should go do some research🙄

[@gabriel-px6ry]

@@karolina8255 it's still a man.

[@mansamusa7048]

@@karolina8255 they still aren't females and will never be. Just because you go through hormone change still doesn't mean you have ovaries and minstrel cycles.... THESE ARE FACTS

[@GrzlyBore]

@@karolina8255 that’s not how it works, lol.

[@williambrown4030]

@@karolina8255 naw you should do more research once they so call change to female they don't lose muscle mass or anything

[@relativegifrelativegif8369]

I’m a dem and I don’t really go along with this trans sports thing or having to force accept this

[@harrymills2770]

Maybe you'll grow out of being a dem.

[@shrekxfiona8659]

@@harrymills2770 lol

[@relativegifrelativegif8369]

@@harrymills2770 lol I rather be a dem than support the orange lunatic

[@user-vm4he3gk3c]

same

[@relativegifrelativegif8369]

@erin crouse but I’m not your idiot, I’m a Hispanic 23 your old daca recipient. Not everyone even in our own party agrees on everything

[@heidi6243]

People want you to accept them but don't want to accept how you feel or what your views are. They are doing the thing to you that they don't want someone to do to them.

[@missblak00]

Exactly 🎯

[@mobutter2879]

Let’s not forget about basic biology!

[@williamhufnagel8790]

She said it perfectly, she lost strength and stamina... This means she understands as a biological male she had an advantage... I feel for her, but she can still run, just not against girls who have always been girls.. Why take away scholarships from female athletes who have been training as female?...

[@wheeliewonka4444]

People..confused about Themselves..don't have more rights, than people Who aren't.

[@gabrielam.7681]

Trans aren't confused about themselves. They're sure enough to go through surgery to get it.

[@wheeliewonka4444]

@@gabrielam.7681 amazing how easy...the truth gets Deleted...because its inconvenient.

[@gabrielam.7681]

@@wheeliewonka4444 truth isn't biased, and truth isn't fixed to one viewpoint. My truth is that who you are is more important that what you are and that one day, science will be advanced enough to act upon that accordingly. This is the starting point of that philosophy, by not supporting it you're restricting everything everyone can be by chaining it to everything they are. That, is not progress, and looking around at all the growing, public acceptance of people for who they are over what they are. Your idea isn't the future.

[@wheeliewonka4444]

@@gabrielam.7681 denying truth...is the same thing.. And the truth is...life isn't Fair..can people identity As a horse..or other animal? No!..can people identify as elderly..No! I'm Not giving up...my rights. Or my granddaughters Because of a person's fantasies of being something they're not. Or because some 300 pound guy..wants to shower and wrestle with girls.

[@gabrielam.7681]

@@wheeliewonka4444 if your granddaughter did no longer feel comfortable in her body, would you berrate her as well? If she felt like a man since a child and living as a woman were emotionally painful to her? You're limiting everyone around you. Don't mistake the acceptance of freedom for the removal of rights. Trans women shouldn't take part in cis women sports. That is a fact. Not because they're not real women, they are in every way that matters (identity over physical form is the future), but because we're simply not at a point where they can be physically women. It's the unfortunate truth of the situation. But please, don't take this as an opportunity to undermine trans women or men, when they are a symbol of self-expressive freedom unlike any as of yet.

[@rishiy6183]

This is like taking steroids and saying you should be able to compete.

[@poweraverage5773]

No, it is in fact the complete opposite.

[@jonbeck19]

@@poweraverage5773 same because when man become a female they still have advantages of a man especially when you factor athleticism in sports like height,weight,strength

[@DATAN420]

Life hack: if you are a mediocre male athlete, just become transgender and become the greatest female athlete of all time.

[@therangedmartialartist5749]

Any parent who would block their child's puberty should be arrested as a child abuser.

[@ericoliver1603]

Imagine interfering with nature and the natural development of a living being, with puberty, because of "feelings". 😠😠😠

[@Crowski]

Agreed. Who you are when you’re a teen is NOT who you are when you’re older. It’s like parents forget how they were when they were teens. I’m NOTHING like I was as a teen. When I turned 20 I was still mentally a teen. 25 a bit better. 30 I felt like an adult and now at nearly 37 when I compare myself to myself as a teen it’s two different people. Children are NOT mature enough to make these decisions.

[@abc123fhdi]

trans women should compete with each other in a seperate league. Men's sports, women's sports, trans women sports and trans men sports.

[@Jorel032777]

I have nothing against anyone who is Trans, Gay, or if you identify as a lion. It's your life live it how you like. But sports are meant to be played on an even basis, does this always happen with cheating etc? Of course it doesn't. But if you are technically born male, im sorry but competing in female sports isnt fair or even. I identify as being rich but its not working out very well for me.

[@Jorel032777]

@Subhuman Manlet Okay.....Do us all a big favor and if you havent found someone to breed with yet please don't. The human intelligence gene pool cannot keep taking hits if we are to survive as a species. Thanks

[@wheeliewonka4444]

Good analogy...

[@luisguzman8218]

@@Jorel032777 lol explain why men are faster then exactly, shut up

[@kenyagrooves]

Thank you!!

[@Kiwikid-zy7rg]

A attack helicopter

[@kenparker9118]

The fact is that "she" is not a girl like anyone else. That is the essence of the issue.

[@austinsoulfal8070]

There’s no debate, its completely unfair to real women athletes

[@gabrielam.7681]

This is an absolute no-win scenario. If they don't allow trans women to take part in cis women regular sports, it's unfair to trans as they didn't choose to be uncomfortable with their assigned birth genders. And if they let trans women take part, cis women will be at a disadvantage in their own playing field and trans women will forever be critisized, berrated and undermined by the public for every win they achieve in the sport.

[@duvine3882]

In the meantime this law demands boys who share the same birth certificate as girls to be unfair by mandate of the government.

[@brandonfromkc2815]

Life's not fair....Imagine if everyone acted out and choose to identify of something. The world would be worse then it is already. Stfd

[@duvine3882]

@@brandonfromkc2815 The world is worst because of people like you saying Stfd as an individual without identity is a nobody living by default, sad!.

[@qceaz11]

This is a touchy subject so I'm just gonna say this I'm glad that I graduate d high school YEARS ago smh

[@kingsamoanOG]

Yeah it's a crazy weird society that we have now I can only imagine what its going to be like in 10-20 yrs when all these IN OUR FEELINGS Generation run the world!!!!!!!

[@gamingmcqueen3440]

@Kali Evelynn leave

[@markgupton1313]

@Kali Evelynn Dysphoria

[@fitthickchic6732]

Same!

[@poweraverage5773]

@@gamingmcqueen3440 Isn't that what your ex said to you?

[@skyscraper908]

There is a reason they have womens nba and mens nba, huge difference in skill

[@bigjbigj3170]

Even if we don't talk about the skill it's a blatant physical advantage

[@jake78441]

Thank YOU!!!

[@michaelmunoz2754]

They want to make Juwanna Mann a real story!

[@aprilrae6551]

It's also a huge difference in body size, both height and weight.

[@lemon1657]

Flip the argument: cis men aren't threatened by trans men in any way because XY men have a clear physical advantage. Trans men's belief that they're male plus hormone therapy doesn't actually change their height, lungs, bone density or size. I support human rights except when one group's rights violate another group - that's the problem with trans athletes in women's sports.

[@Earth2Flo-v6f]

Get their own teams together, physically it’s unfair.

[@bigjbigj3170]

So my daughter is running track in high school and now she has to compete with someone that has a physical advantage there's no way to make this right

[@hotchocolate568]

Right... So disappointed

[@Kevincrow420]

I thought Women were equal to men. Wait.... So they're not?

[@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073]

Whatever! Women always said they can compete with men! I don't understand why we even have different leagues.

[@Yourmomshassole]

No, that’s just not true. And even if it were how could a females possibly not excel when competing against somebody stronger? Maybe the reason girls sports sucks so bad is because they don’t have any good competition?

[@tarnw3301]

Those congressman are happy to sacrifice your daughter for some claps, and the only way to defeat them is by organizing. Maybe you could check Women's Liberation Front?

[@Rosa-ey8kl]

It's not just a disadvantage for real girls it's also dangerous in some cases

[@DustinMikkelsen]

It's an interesting topic, I personally think there should be a muscle mass and testosterone level requirement that trans athletes have to meet in all levels of sports; then they'll truly be equal to the biological women. It funny though, you don't hear about trans men going the other way because they'd likely get crushed in everything.

[@tarnw3301]

Sex category is based in sex, as age categories are based in age. You wouldn't allow a short 18 years old to participate in the sub-12 soccer category, would you?

[@giadealfadena182]

Exactly

[@wallinggraham3836]

No they wouldnt be equal because test alone is not a factor. Do you really think (or know) that one hormone makes all the differewnce?

[@thegalhorowitz]

apparently average testesterone is under 3 in women and athletes have to be under 10 for serious competition thats just a very smalll piece of a huge puzzle

[@wallinggraham3836]

@@thegalhorowitz Yep. I think its about time the arguments about muscle and bone were put in 2nd place to the even bigger factors such as gross motor skills, hand/foot eye co ordination, spacial ability, reaction time, and split second timing ability. If you look closely at weight lifters of both sexes and the same weight, there isnt an astronomical difference. Significant but not ridiculous. Compare soccer players though - wow - its astronomical because the main factors are not strength or bones, but the above mentioned factors The pro trans in womens sports are probably talking about muscle all the time (unsuccessfully) to keep attention away from this, and we shouldnt let them off the hook. This is a nitty gritty topic they dont want to talk about. They want to keep everyone focused on a hormone that only affects strength

[@ryanmcclelland4333]

"Don't try to ruin my life with lies, when yours can be ruined with truth" ~Gina Carano

[@poweraverage5773]

Finally not a triggered transfobe

[@twinkletoes6290]

@Nisuki Cake lmao!!! Wahmen!!

[@badmoodism]

We should put new category "TRANS".

[@tomdomagalski3679]

As much as it would upset some trans girls, this is the only way to make competitions fair

[@lecookie007]

Yep, kind of funny tho that this is the only time most conservatives are going to side with science and while most liberals will be against it. It's hard decision for them but it's the right thing to do

[@taylormakes2207]

@@lecookie007 Alt left weirdo

[@carolineerlam3110]

If only 2% of kids are trans then they may very well compete against no one in some states. I don’t know the solution, but it’s not what you w suggested

[@user-vm4he3gk3c]

@@tomdomagalski3679 Notice how everyone is only talking ab trans girls 😂 that just shows the advantage already cause every one knows damn well no trans man is winning against no real man in sports. Trans have the strength of their born gender and if this wasn’t true we would see trans men winning too.

[@markgupton1313]

Lindsey is now living a lie. She is deceiving herself.

[@justleon721]

Right? It's quite sad that this is promoted as living "authentically."

[@pchow4675]

If I had a dollar for every gender, I'd have two dollars.

[@Orert]

Agreed #hecoxless

[@Md-sz8ys]

That's a old joke

[@Orert]

@@Md-sz8ys you're the old joke.

[@Md-sz8ys]

@@Orert grade school jokes 🤣

[@Orert]

@@Md-sz8ys I'm actually in k5 get it right

[@AIWASP]

You can’t change how you were born regardless of how you associate today and that’s how you should be measured if you wanna play sports.

[@ecotechpestservices]

Lindsey should enjoy her new life but don’t try to force us to recognize her as a woman

[@mmjhcb]

The fact that this is even debated shows the cultural decline of America.

[@moongoddess8321]

This is not right woman already have a hard time so let’s add dudes to our sports it’s hard enough for basketball players that are real woman so let’s add men an take away from REAL WOMAN

[@stover954rr]

The fact that zero issues have arisen with trans men playing in mens sports shows that there is a distinct advantage.

[@CandyLovesMakeup]

Why is this even a debate 😂😂 can’t argue with science and biological gender lmao

[@anhonorableindependent9124]

I ran track & I think there has to be a line drawn. Enhancement drugs are not allowed in any sport without consequence, this is no different. This has nothing to do with hatred, but you cannot deny a biological woman her rights to compete to appease the rights of transgender. If being transgender gives no athletic advantage then there would have never been a separation of men vs women sports in the 1st place. The foundational purpose for events being separated is solely due to gender advantages. It is very simple, when you decide to implement rights you have to fairly assess the rights of all, transgender athletes cannot choose to fight for equality & deny the equality of those who choose to adhere to there biological gender. I dont understand why we cannot embed unisex events or transgender events. I can wholeheartedly understand why a young woman, a biological young woman would feel cheated after placing 3rd behind a trans woman. How is that fair? If transgender women can compete in women events then there is no longer a reason to separate events. If a Male wants to compete in women events does he have the right to push for that change? When you start denying equality to one group to give equality to another that's not equality, that's oppression. I think Transgender events, unisex events would be the way to go, that way noone is denied equality.

[@MrTambourineMan.]

It’s tough. I want everyone to feel included and free to do what they feel is right for them, but it’s also unfair in some instances for a biologically born female to have to compete with a trans female who was born with some serious advantages originally being a male. Especially if it’s someone who transitioned after they developed a little.

[@FemmeNatal]

Where are all the trans men smashing records????? Why is that do you think Joanna???

[@caramelbilquees]

It's like those transwomen want to carry on competing in female sports leagues because they know they have an advantage otherwise why not push for a separate league for trans women & trans men?

[@technoloverish]

That would be discriminatory and dehumanizing. Also, that would mean that transgender women who wanted to participate in sports would be forced to out themselves.

[@naswiipp]

I always ask what prison would they be sent to if they were comvicted of a crime?

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

😂😂😂😂never thought of that!!

[@hotchocolate568]

I can't😭😭😭😭

[@erichhere]

Human rights groups and leftists will come crying then

[@kp4636]

I never thought of that either. You blew my mind. 😂🤯

[@cosmici2261]

Either women’s prison or male prison PC.

[@cosmici2261]

Wait a minute... a trans person named He-coks? You can’t make this stuff up!

[@harrymills2770]

It's a troll on the level of "The Prestige" as far as living the illusion goes.

[@Shaunae123]

Just move on dang... It's simply not fair to have trans anything crossing. Just create your own leagues.

[@FreakyTeeth]

They claim otherwise but they really don't want their own leagues because they know deep down that trans men and trans women seriously competing against each other would expose the futility of their arguments for belonging in genuine men and women leagues. Sports are about building yourself up through hard work, not through ensuring your competition doesn't stand a hope in hell via demanding the audience turns blind eyes to your obvious unearnt advantages.

[@DarthFurie]

My problem is trans female athletes who have gone through some or all of male puberty and have biological differences in their bones, muscles, etc. using that massive biological advantage to beat girls and take away prizes and scholarship opportunities. We cannot erase our girls

[@duvine3882]

Is the other way; boys in girls sport beating up girls for prizes & scholarships, because they share the same birth certificate.

[@blessedsavagez]

transgenders should have their own sports.... #specialOlympics

[@hotchocolate568]

😭😭😭😭

[@tomdomagalski3679]

you belong there #specialOlympics

[@pepethelastsamurai3480]

As a trans woman, heres an idea! Make trans specific categories of trans femme and trans masc sports so people will just shut up about it 😃

[@EagleEye-MJG]

I agree with you. When it comes to many other Athletic Sports, the Governing Bodies do well with breaking up categories & divisions....but in this instance, they seem to be "dragging their feet" and in the meanwhile, Cis Women are ending up with the short end of the stick. I only problem I can see with more divisions and categories is low participation....considering the percentage of Trans Women competing is already low.

[@pepethelastsamurai3480]

@@EagleEye-MJG well thing is after the full effects of hormones are there the muscle mass is proportionally the same as that of a cis woman but you know i just dont care, i wish more adulta would participate in fun mixed gendered sports it all about just being competitive now so most people dont participate kinda lame imo

[@trey5973]

@Hot Live stop

[@pepethelastsamurai3480]

@Patrick_ Pinhead well i think in certain sports not being mixed leaves women at a significant disadvantage due to experience. Think tennis, if a woman is only used to women who serve at 100 mph, and then faces a man who serves at 30 mph faster than that she isnt going to be used to that kinda speed. Doesnt mean she is physically incapable of it since the womens world record serve speed is well over 100 at 136 mph, but if you are the best woman in the world you arent going to continue to grow as much if you face people who are your same strength and speed. If a female tennis player were to grow up playing against her brother whos a great professional tennis player and he serves at 130 mph all the time she would get used to it and be able to handle it no problem, and then would have a much easier time against her female counterpart who only serves at 100 mph Its not a perfect analogy but you get the idea. You improve the most when you play people better than you. And when you are all at the same skill level strength and speed truly start to matter again. The way around that is to be more skilled than your opponent

[@aprilrae6551]

I think any male person should continue to participate in the men's league. If they take so many hormones they too weak, then they can sit out the season. Artificial hormones do not turn males into females.

[@chrisrobertson9264]

There needs to be a separate group for trans people

[@agardenapart9515]

But then they can't dominate...will never happen.

[@Nunyabidness9660]

Go arkansas, finally a common sense state, and yes men have an advantage physically over women, transgender boys are still boys and have a very big advantage

[@mysmirandam.6618]

Separate league for trans people!!!

[@agardenapart9515]

They don't want that. They want to dominate.

[@danielm9434]

The women's world record 100 meter time is 10.49s. The men's high school record is 10.00s flat not counting Matthew Bolings 9.98s because he had a 4.2mph wind behind him so it doesn't stand as an official record. High school men run the 100 meter faster than the fastest women to ever run 100 meters. Men are biologically at an advantage no matter how inclusive you want to be it is not fair to women's sport as someone transitioning will still have some advantage no matter how many hormones they take.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Who's here after hearing Jenner's latest comments?

[@jaygunny8402]

Boys should not play against girls period! Imagine a girl working so hard only for a man to come in and with ease break every record for women!!

[@koffinkat666]

I respect your Gender identity but no matter what you have different bone structure and biology, Truly it's not fair to Born biological Females who have smaller bones and muscles. Make a Trans Team? IDK

[@KeefWard]

Anyone know a trans man that has taken a record in men's sports? That's honestly how long this conversation should be.

[@marksanchez7323]

Nope. The disparity between transwomen and transmen in sports is striking

[@jeremylee5990]

The boys pretending to be girls have won many state high school titles.

[@hvacdesignsolutions]

Who the hell wants to watch a one horse race?

[@Bamblam69]

If HE wants to participate in sports HE can do it in men's sports. No one is stopping HIM.

[@WalterComton1062]

It’s unfair women and colleges should just create an extra category for these athletes or just have them compete against men.

[@malinoisnation9392]

Show me one woman who has transitioned to a male and is competitive is any sport. It’s always men transitioning to women that are winning.

[@honorbluelovelyful]

Another way for men to dominate our spaces...u see transmen aren't half as vocal.....they literally just want to live nd not be judged or hurt....they want basic human rights not VIP treatment

[@derronjoseph1408]

I don't like females competing in all male completions,it's wrong and shouldn't be accepted,trans need there own competition

[@mylittlepitbull3143]

There's a little issue of prize money, trophies places on podiums. I've seen it where a male athlete switches gender and dominates on the women and takes all the prize money and it's not really that fair at all.

[@tarnw3301]

Exactly! I'm surprised how little people speak about the prizes. But then, the fact that they believe allowing a man to participate in female category could be fair, makes me think they don't do sports, because otherwise they would know about even more arbitrary categories like the ones based in weight, age and/or skill.

[@earlollsen1338]

Sometimes I dont understand how the world works. Some rights are wrong for others and some wrongs seem right. Fair turns unfair. Bad is good. Good is bad. So random but looks aligned

[@terminatedaccount8750]

anthropology, sociology, psychology, game theory, political science...

[@RyanTCardoso]

Everything is propped up and bubble wrapped so people make up dragons to slay and swing their sword cutting the people around them and as such never get the consequences of their decisions. If the government and media didn't cover so much for people's stupidity and hypocrisy people would think twice to acting the fool especially when its own their own dime. There is your answer.

[@scottbecker4367]

The truth is relative to the observer.

[@AngelEmfrbl]

@Subhuman Manlet I think you're mixing up "prmotion of female rights" and "man hating females". One just want women not to be treated unfairly and not like second class citizens/objects/breeding machines because it leads to injustice in the world for women, the other wants men to beg and heel for them with absolutely no good reason, making the position women were in 200 years ago... be reversed and men to be treated as we once were (I'm female, not going to hide it). Their two sides of feminism, sure, but please don't think its all the same. I'm not a feminist but I've been had one as a art teacher at university, who was EASILY triggered even if the words came from another woman. I once made her rethink her composure by asking a awkward question (can't remember what it was). I think I got told to basically "shut up you drone". I prefer the notion "everyone is equal despite our differences, because not everyone is the same but deserve to be treated the same".

[@nusskernmischung5428]

​@Subhuman Manlet you are a misogynist and it makes you look pathetic :D small dck vibes

[@kristentaylor3319]

It’s offensive to biologically born women. We try to coddle a group so much so that real women end up loosing . The fact is is she is not a regular girl. Being a women is more then just makeup and hair and I don’t understand why they don’t get that.

[@kekmanjx2561]

My pet tiger identifies as a cat, he is now going to compete in cat wrestling.

[@limepiper3650]

Boys are stronger and faster. There is no denying that. Girls have a right to fairness and safety.

[@pamm5]

I know you consider yourself a girl, but you do have an advantage over natural born girls. I too was once an athlete. We lose every time to trans girls. That makes us feel worthless. I think working along side each other is good, but competing really hinders both sides self worth.

[@Rosey1912]

Mark my words. In the future women are going to be outraged because transgender women are going to take a lot of our opportunities. They need their own league.

[@agardenapart9515]

It's not in the future, we are already outraged!

[@MihadAlzayat]

If gender is a social construct, then why does anyone need a sex change? Serious question.

[@Rg-cf1ix]

Same question I always ask... no gender roles than what makes him a woman?

[@ilunatoiltechtube2649]

Reducing the fuel quantity in a land cruiser to equal that of a full tank Honda civic , doesn't mean they can be assumed to perform on a level ground. This is crazy .

[@zebra3stripes]

How dare you say the name Hecox. That is Shecoxless after the transition.

[@maryjokarladulnuan7409]

Transgenders have to play sports with other transgenders, in that way, fairness will serve it's purpose

[@ezenwaperfect]

I do not agree with any Republican policy at all except for this. It is just not fair to have a male and female athlete competing alongside one another in the same sport, irrespective of what a biological male has chosen to call himself, That is absolutely not my business. However, he is still a man and should not be competing in the same sport with women. IT IS JUST NOT FAIR AT ALL. PERIOD!!!!

[@whiteguy4282]

When you have to TRY to run like a girl....

[@ericoliver1603]

Lol

[@KeefWard]

Very carefully selected spokesperson.

[@User-cz6jp]

i wonder what yall will say when trans men with whole beards start competing in women sports and vice versa😭just stfu

[@whiteguy4282]

@@User-cz6jp my point is this person does not belong in female sports period. This person has to try and force a female running style. To feel female.

[@dicey8928]

I'm worried about female sports 😕

[@laannw4263]

Its wrong to have this area for girls and women and then let someone who is not a girl come in on someone else's platform and unbalance their sport. Please pass law!

[@eseseis7251]

if you wanna be a woman, respect the woman. is your right to be whatever you want, but dont try to conquer womans world

[@zerothm1]

War on Women Heating up.

[@frankdatank6255]

Considering he's a male......

[@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073]

Sure..... cuz divorce cases show just that.

[@craigcrawford6595]

War on what women?

[@foodlover1950]

@@craigcrawford6595 war on biological women

[@someguy3176]

It’s unfair because every non-trans athlete pukes a little when they see him.

[@colorqueenpin5483]

I don’t care how people want to represent themselves everyone deserves to live happy. You can change your outer appearance these days you can just about do anything. But you can change your physical makeup it’s a reason they have men and lady sports it’s not fair to the other athletes.

[@Yourmomshassole]

If the female athlete hasn’t had a male puberty they are chemically female. We all start out as female.

[@michaelbonade4667]

The trans athlete doctor didn’t quite sell me on the nuances🧐

[@michaelbonade4667]

They should be smart enough to …you know place themselves hypothetically in a athlete’s mind…🙄…Or am I asking too much

[@hopereilly657]

How does the military handle different genders? Are women trained differently? Are they given less physical jobs than men? I agree more research needs to be done because jumping to ban anyone without the proper research is looked at as discrimination.

[@tinaht]

No we all trained together and can work the same jobs