The Deprogram Episode 156 - Face The Magic Wall

[@Xylus.]

"I have the concept of a plan" is definitely an all-time great quote.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

_"I have a picture of a key"_ - *Captain* Jack Sparrow

[@RemnantOfBirth]

I would honestly love a Trump Phrase Book. The man has a way with words. A truly amazing way with words, beautiful words, many people are saying this

[@franjkav]

@@RemnantOfBirth if it helps, there’s a whole Wikipedia page on just the nicknames he uses for people. It even tracks if he’s expired them

[@gapsule2326]

​@@franjkavKamobla shouldve been used.

[@aidandurkan15]

It's also funny when people say that they voted for Trump because he had good policies lmao.

[@lizardbytheriver1567]

It would be so cool to have Claudia De la Cruz on as a guest!

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

True

[@nercksrule]

I'd prefer Joseph Kishore, but Claudia would be good as well.

[@WheretheWillowsGrow]

wait that would be amazing

[@joelnord4699]

yes please!!

[@AeromaticXD]

Or the DSA candidate who won on a local ticket!!

[@deathislife1993]

Chase Oliver was the Libertarian Party nominee. Jill Stein, the Green nominee, actually got more votes than he did, which hasn't happened since 2000, I think. As for Claudia, she got over 100,000, which is the best any communist has gotten since at least the 80's. Third-party votes were just low this year though in total, just over 2 million, which is less than the low third-party turnout in 2020.

[@33up24]

Just votes in general were low. Again, around 17-20 million less people than 2020. That's how fucking full this shit was.

[@samneibauer4241]

That's insane about Claudia. Godspeed.

[@severalwolves]

I was surprised when I got to my station (in NY State) that they didn’t have any 3rd party candidates listed, so anyone who wanted anybody other than the dem or rep had to write it in. I went crazy with the write-in section of the ballot though. I even put Joe Brandon’s problematic dog Commander in for Senate haha - get ‘em Commander!

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Isn't Jill being paid by RT

[@TheJadedJames]

2016 kind of nuked the concept of protest voting

[@Erebus_Caesar]

As someone who was wrongfully incarcerated and used for forced labor as a juvenile (though not in CA, a different state) thank you for touching on that. It's not something I've discussed on my channel yet, I'm still new and figuring things out on YT, but it was something that has affected my life and view of the world to this day.

[@Redsky973]

Damn man what happened?

[@Praisethesunson]

Sounds like he got put into slavery​@@Redsky973

[@gwynbleidd1917]

​@Redsky973 slavery is allowed in the US, specifically in prisons. They pay the prisoners that they force to work literally cents a day.

[@Redsky973]

@@gwynbleidd1917 im aware, i eas just curious as to their personal story

[@gwynbleidd1917]

@@Redsky973 fair enough. Some people, even other Americans, aren't aware of that though

[@MamadouKane-w6f]

When trump was first elected I was 13 and didn’t know anything about politics I just knew how effed up this guy was. I remember crying my eyes out on my Mama’s shoulder when she informed me “Son, the Orange Monkey won”. Now I feel less than nothing in terms of emotional angst over the election results. I only feel hardened in my disgust with, and rejection of, the system and all who represent it.

[@MrMungus]

"the orange monkey" Lmao

[@CripplingDuality]

This definitely happened

[@salutic.7544]

@@CripplingDualityidk if you’re saying this ironically but it probably did. The vibe when trump won was abysmal in liberal households. I can attest to that.

[@pokepreet1]

I can't tell if this is satire or not but we'll said comrade 😂

[@Scumbagius]

Bot comrade

[@gianlucamattos8684]

Yakub has chosen the trumpet

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

This is the nature of the white devil race grafted by the demiurge Yakub

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

Yakubian trickinology knows no bounds.

[@leroitiaks]

Turnout was 57%, so 10% lower than 2020

[@loconius]

Was any of that due to the suppression efforts we saw come from some of the states that were successful in implementing them?

[@leroitiaks]

@@loconius Not sure. If by suppressing votes you mean the dems suppression the Green and PSL votes, then maybe.

[@someotherandomman]

One reason is bc people making under $100,000/year were 74% of electorate in 2020, in this election that dropped to 60%. IOW, the working class is disillusioned with this political system, which is something to celebrate 🥳. Both candidates got less votes than in 2020. I hope JT issues a correction.

[@niallfoody97]

thanks for the info collective effort of the comments always prevail.

[@fluoriteByte]

​@@someotherandomman isn't less votes the thing that rich politicians exploits to remain in positions of power?

[@anmolt3840051]

If Kamala had gone balls to the walls progressive for the election, she still might have lost, but at least she would have shown a meaningful alternative to the Americans, she would have at least _stood for something_

[@Blazo_Djurovic]

Wasn't the reason she became a VP because back then she was tangential to Bernie camp so suits thought she would capture Bernieheadas. Of course as it turns out she never had any real opinions of her own, or was willing to say anything placed before her by Biden camp people to win.

[@dangerousdays2052]

Kamala is rich. She literally benefits by having Trump in office. 😂😂

[@Eldorado-n9e]

If she has gone full "woke" the decimation would have been worse than it already was. She actively tried to avoid being progressive because she knew just how unpopular those ideas have become.

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@Eldorado-n9e Yep, America is 100% fash now. Gonna end up just like 1930s Germany and Italy lol. 😂😂

[@luminator911]

@@Eldorado-n9e Not true, when polled, progressive policies are way more popular than reactionary policies

[@souplike.homogenate]

technical: the subtitles are a great touch. Please keep that.

[@becorder185]

I think they're auto-generated, some words don't match. Love it though

[@larkohiya]

Makes me have to not look at the screen so i can focus on whats said

[@Mindryon]

It always infuriates me to see incorrect subtitles, it's like screaming to the world "THIS IS AI GENERATED"

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

agreed, I really liked them

[@viktorherald9868]

Seconded. I miss too much info if I can't read it too. Don't mind at all that it's auto-generated, it still helps a lot. Thanks, guys.

[@mynamesnotshanekid813]

I blame that one god damn song.

[@Praisethesunson]

Oh my gawd. I'm gonna vote.

[@SheppiTSRodriguez]

It was the decider

[@NOLNV1]

It was pretty good, made me go out and write mao

[@YukiAndZeroFTW]

i'm not even american and it's been stuck in my head all morning lmao

[@sarimsalman2698]

What song?

[@britbongtankie]

Capitalism is soyjak, socialism is gigachad

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Anyone who unironically uses the soyjack meme should not be taken seriously.

[@mrepicairfryerenthusiast4982]

That is folk! We've just solved politics

[@britbongtankie]

@@Just_a_turtle_chad you are soyjak

[@gianlucamattos8684]

China is ultra mogging sigma alpha skibidi rizzler mewing chad, while the US is cringe L blue pilled fanum tax ratioed soyjack, there you go, good political analysis

[@marcustulliuscicero8405]

fr fr no cap

[@eirich1606]

"Oh my god i will vote i will vote for Donald trump" is running on loop in my head

[@davo312]

YO VOY A VOTAR

[@ashdog9235]

I’m pretty sure that’s just what the neuro-link does

[@redlion45]

​@@davo312 POR DONAL TROM

[@cacapichi8564]

They made a new song (for real): “ay ay ay, ay por dios, Donalt tromp ganó, donalt tromp ganó, sufran demócratas!” These people must be stopped! I’m tired of having their songs in my head 😂

[@jeongbun2386]

I blame Hasan

[@bronwynpidgeoon1537]

California resident here. I voted yes on Prop 6 and got my family too as well. It's insane that BANNING SLAVERY is still a controversial take.

[@PTSmitty]

Sucks being a 42 year old black disabled former firefighter on Social Security with a wife and 6 kids and preexisting conditions so I won’t be able to get health care again like before the ACA.

[@whatabouttheearth]

And if Trump implements Project 2025 social security will go away

[@whatabouttheearth]

And if Trump implements Project 2025 social security will go away

[@anisamokrane2008]

thank you for your service. we always say that to the military but people like you are the one deserving of being told that.

[@mamotalemankoe3775]

Is that you in the picture?

[@mohamedaityoussef9965]

@@mamotalemankoe3775 same question

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

I love that Bernie Sanders is independent even if people think that he is a Democrat

[@jamesg9582]

I guarantee some ppl voted wrong on the props cuz they didnt comprehend the proposition. 😂

[@jhthebrickman]

That is what I did on prop 34 I miss read it

[@LMdz-f1c]

They are written that way on purpose unfortunately, mail in ballot is good to do the research beforehand

[@Vivian-h1v]

Prop 1 in ohio had a big issue with this

[@joshuareznik9234]

Happens that way every timr

[@Somajsibere]

​@@LMdz-f1c in general, i think its good to check on voter guides because the ballot measures are written in a confusing manner

[@petersutcliffe4927]

thanks for the excellent take y'all, all power to the soviets :)

[@jacckos8355]

That comic of the Businessman telling the worker that the foreigner wants his cookie actually displays Rupert Murdoch and his control over Australian media.

[@joyg2526]

I don't believe that Kamala's defeat is solely attributable to the situation in Gaza. While I don't think it helped, I believe that the Democratic Party's loss resulted from a variety of issues: the selection of an exceptionally weak candidate and an over-reliance on identity politics, which failed to recognize that racism and misogyny remain prevalent among segments of the electorate. Additionally, the campaign adopted a patronizing tone in an effort to pressure voters, contributing to a fundamentally flawed campaign strategy. Moreover, President Biden's decision to allow essential social programs to lapse after the premature termination of the COVID-19 state of emergency, while people continued to cope with a downturn in the mainstream economy due to corporate job cuts and greed that created inflation, was detrimental. The persistent trend of the Democratic Party neglecting the working class ultimately sealed the fate of the Harris campaign's catastrophic loss.

[@ZealothPL]

The entire dem strategy seemed to be "stfu and vote for us, we aren't going to do anything to improve your life though" and "what are you gonna do, vote for the cheeto?" What a mystery as to why they got stomped

[@davishropshire5361]

Well said

[@nrauschermusic]

Good political strategy seems like such basic human psychology. Obv the democrats arent actually going to provide solutions, but if they want to win elections, you’d think they would at least lie and promote wage increase, social programs, job security, police reform, etc to secure more votes. But instead they just Hillary-d all over again, said “vote for us, peasant, we have no platform”, and their voters acted brand fucking new went it failed again.

[@sergeantD14]

Their strategy was republican lite and are surprised when people go for full republicans or just sit out completely I won’t I lie I swallowed my pride and voted Kamala but it seems all of us are fed up with the dems bs 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Eldorado-n9e]

She did not push for identity politics. She actively tried to distance herself from the "woke". She was still somewhat progressive, especially on popular things like abortion, but didn't go hard on it. There is a positive bias for women and minorities in the US when it comes to elections. If anything being a minority female helped her.

[@Belisonte-dl4gd]

The fucking squirrel had secrets about the Brat Campaign

[@thatponybro6940]

Cheeto man is gonna crack at some point, due to a variety of issues, but mainly the thing of "being selected for target practice"

[@Gagagag-d1w]

Third times the charm, inshallah. And God willing, the next in command gets selected for target practice and so on. All of this in Minecraft of course ❤

[@Xylus.]

​@@Gagagag-d1wI love minecraft

[@TheFabledSCP7000]

Yeah minecraft

[@fightthepowerman]

TBF, that first guy was on target.... odd since he got kicked out of rifle club for poor aim.... almost as if he had received some kind of training.... but theres no paper trail to suggest he'd been spending a lot of time at a range.... huh.....

[@jehdbrbjeirodofjdjebeebbsnaka]

Let the McDonald’s do the work.

[@joshuaalach9431]

I bet Yugopnik was watching this election thinking "this is like having to choose between Milošević and Tudjman"

[@kostajovanovic3711]

Does that analogy work if they are from two different, warring countries?

[@joshuaalach9431]

@kostajovanovic3711 they weren't separate countries when those guys got put in charge of what became their respective nations.

[@457max]

This episode entered the pantheon of my bookmarks folder.

[@carlos_herrera]

I haven't voted for a Dem for president since Obomber, but if Harris had come out with 'Republicans are Weird and bad for America,' and actually fought them, I'd have thought about it

[@hanibal212]

To paraphrase Fukuyama: The End of Neoliberalism.

[@phillipemeca]

Oh no, the far right lost to the far right, what will be of us now?

[@yeahey5947]

eh, the far right lost to the new American NatSoc party

[@phillipemeca]

@yeahey5947 yeah I guess, I just didnt want to use that word starting with F or the one starting with N, im bad with alternative words hahaha

[@colbyboucher6391]

A significant chunk of my friends are now significantly more likely to be murdered, and their murderers aquitted.

[@annhilator55]

​@@colbyboucher6391 would have happened majority of the time anyways.

[@phillipemeca]

​@@colbyboucher6391 not disregarding your situation, but that did not stop under biden, or under obama, or any other democrat for that matter, Im sorry for that but the solution sadly is not on the ballot

[@Franvvard]

The Cubans in Miami are extremely reactionary and also we’ve had a lot of right wing people move in from all over the country

[@angela_merkeI]

Happy October Revolution day to all.

[@jonathanstauty5029]

The subtitles read your outro tagline as “the deep program” 😂

[@unknownrocketeer9289]

turnout was not high. both candidates underperformed as far as total vote count for both

[@lana-jg4ho]

YES AND ITS ANNOYING THAT NO ONE REALLY POINTS THIS OUT. I'm calling it now: this WILL be the peak of Trump's support

[@jasoncamara6127]

TY for for this fellas and may you all stay safe

[@loueyt.6904]

First time listener and liberal. Voted Democrat cause im gay and I was scared to vote republican and have my rights taken away. It was hard to hear, but I feel like I understand a little better now why people would vote republican or not vote at all. Next time I'm gonna do more research before deciding who to vote for and really take a more active role in making change. Great podcast

[@samba-v8c]

Welcome 👋

[@lovelylanafansweetie4240]

These people could care less about marginalized groups.

[@gabrieldavis7128]

1:11:25 The most important thing said in this whole video

[@porridgeramen7220]

Hakim unfortunately massively overestimates the impact Palestine had on the election. We're talking *10 million* lost votes, I'd wager more than 50% was lost on economy.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Capitalism in crisis, and no left wing alternative. A recipe for a fascist sweep if there ever was one.

[@izarahiahtaylor5114]

I agree

[@blasphemy4159]

Great now the economy will be worse under trump but atleast you get to feel good about yourself good job 👍

[@porridgeramen7220]

@@blasphemy4159i never thought itd get better?

[@joaquinvideo2959]

​@@blasphemy4159This attitude is literally why you lost but go off

[@chancelafranceism]

Green Party is the only left org in my local area. Going off the mandates we voted on as a state though, many voters, especially in the congressional district I live in, want more options in politics. Currently looking into whether or not they'll have me. Thank you for all the work y'all put in, it really helped me move past doomerism. Also, I did the math, even if all Michigan and Wisconsin third party voters voted for Kamala, she still loses both popular and electoral. To expand further on this, even with all third party votes in the USA voting for Kamala, she still loses popular and electoral (it would've only flipped Wisconsin and Michigan, every other state would still have gone to Trump).

[@eges72]

They were just looking for a scapegoat for causal racism

[@dremoralorde5215]

Former social democrat here. I will say that this election helped radicalize me. Wondering why the Democrats did not do the obvious and move left, harness the excitement that had surrounded the Bernie campaigns, led me to understand the full control that lobbying has over our government. I knew it was a problem, of course, but I had not realized the full extent to which we live in a "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" as my new comrades say. Dunno whether I am a Marxist or not yet, I have to read some more, but I agree that it's time to get organized. Taking action is more important than ideological minutae.

[@Annabug-vb2gt]

this was the best part of my day, thank you for what you do comrades

[@cephalonbob15]

The squirrel made the difference

[@davo312]

RIP peanut

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

💔

[@lawrencemorris2261]

Can Americans be, this dumb?

[@acid4413]

I slept through it woke up a bit early checked my phone saw trump won and went back to sleep

[@soulplexis]

That's what I did too

[@jeongbun2386]

Stayed uo with my friends. Im glad. Id being going insane rn without community.

[@conscientunit1157]

real. 3rd world timezone solidarity.

[@LeninCat1917]

I work with PSL, but like at the lowest level, so I have no connection to Claudia personally. However, I've always noticed it is pretty easy to get PSL leadership on any show that's explicitly leftwing. If Claudia doesn't want to come on, or if she's not a helpful voice now that the election is over, I would also try to get anyone at Breakthrough News like Brian Becker, Richard Becker, Eugene Puryear, Rania Khalek, Kai Pritsker, etc. All equally based comrades pushing the same Marxist program as Claudia. Gloria LaRiva probably still does media stuff too, but she's not as public lately

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

Bro getting claudia on the deprogram would be fucking incredible.

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

Come to find out, blue fascism isnt actually any better than red fascism.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

How?

[@whatabouttheearth]

The difference is that if you stop being hyperbolic what the Dems are doing isn't fascism, but what the Republicans want to do is a new form of actual fascism. There are very real repercussions of this and it's going to be worse with these Republicans

[@whatabouttheearth]

The difference is that if you stop being hyperbolic what the Dems are doing isn't fascism, but what the Republicans want to do is a new form of actual fascism. There are very real repercussions of this and it's going to be worse with these Republicans

[@johnmanpls5577]

@@GalacticNovaOverlordfascism is fascism

[@shadowfire3827]

Aren't the dems still liberals?

[@michaelduguay7698]

I wonder if H3 is hatewatching now lol

[@tyranidtrygon]

What's the H3/deprogram lore? I haven't kept up with that guy for years

[@MechanicalRabbits]

he thinks it's just a leftist subreddit, I don't think he even knows it's from a podcast

[@michaelduguay7698]

@@tyranidtrygon Very recently Ethan has been criticizing Hasan and online socialist communities for being radical and extremist, and blaming them for not voting and allowing Trump to win.

[@Virjunior01]

Whatever. He's just another jerkass streamer punk, just with a brownshirt for a wife. Don't engage, clip his manic episodes, ridicule those, watch his views drops, he destroys himself, gone. Or he tries to pull a Jimmy Dore, though I literally had a Dore recommendation for NO reason tonight, calling Isr war criminals.

[@CaubóImpecável]

Halo 3?

[@AlyxMSC]

JT's TV presenter impression is on point

[@superbeltman6197]

Last time I was this early Obama was president

[@Gagagag-d1w]

Obamna

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

​@@Gagagag-d1w SODA!!!! 💥💣🔥🎉🎉🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤🤩🤩🎉🎉🔥💣💥

[@LillyAntiLolita-vj5zy]

Turnout was significantly lower for Democrats than in 2020. To say that turnout was comparable is inaccurate. Just fyi.

[@FrostRare]

The Olympian cognitive gymnastics on grotesque display by my fellow Americans is obscene. You’re afraid for women? What about Palestinian women? What about North Korean women? What about Ukrainian women? What about Yemeni women? What about Somali women? What about Congolese women? What about Venezuelan and Cuban women? What about Filipina and Thai women (and girls)? What about First Nation’s women? What about Aborigines women? What about Sudanese women? If a Palestinian child is crushed under the weight of their bombed out house and no one is there to film it, do they make a sound? To clap back against genocide with “Let the *WO(man) SPEAK” is bonkers. Like Aaron said, “People ask what they would do if they lived during the Holocaust or slavery. People ask what they would do if their country was committing a genocide. You’re doing it right now.”

Facts

[@homieslice1996]

Voter participation in Fresno County (which is mostly Latino) was 40.36% - compared to 74.65% in 2020, 66.7% in 2016, 63.79% in 2012, 71.98% in 2008, 71.06% in 2004, 67.58% in 2000, 64.9% in 1996, 71.8% in 1992, 67.1% in 1988, 73.3% in 1984, and 74.9% in 1980 (the furthest the county records go back to). 2024 was the county’s lowest presidential election participation ever recorded since 1980. The lowest in over 44 years! Lastly, every federal election in California since 2006 except for 2014 had higher turnout than 2024. 2014 had 42.2% and 2024 had 44%; the rest had above 44%.

[@lovecraftianleviathan8918]

I just wish the people on the Deprogram subreddit would stop gloating so much. Just like vote-shaming isn’t a good strategy, neither is gloating at Libs. They’re potential future comrades, after all.

[@colbyboucher6391]

Seriously. Not voting is not praxis, it accomplishes nothing, if they feel good about "keeping their hands clean" I fear how they would handle an actual revolution. A significant chunk of my friends are now more likely to be murdered, and their murderers aquitted. If they're accelerationists, they could have at least voted for my higher likelyhood of death. Doing. Nothing. Does. Nothing.

[@eges72]

exactly I was a liberal just for an example

[@lawrencemorris2261]

​@@eges72I was a liberal too. I loved this. I needed it for not only my shock but the confirmation of the deep seated thought that both wokeness and republicanism can be bad.

[@Bojoschannel]

I don't know, many libs would rather jump into fascism too, or at least that's what happens a lot in my country

[@Weareupallnight2getchucky]

I don’t know I agree to an extent but I also tried explaining to some libs in KZbin comments today about how the DNC ran a bad campaign and they were adamant about saying that the voters wanted Trump and it was their choice. They were unable to even conceive of the idea that the DNC could have won if they did a better job. I don’t know how to break through to someone who is thinking like that.

[@a-aron0711]

I would disagree that this is the first American election to be lost on foreign policy. Humphrey is widely thought to have lost to Nixon in '68 for refusing to break from LBJ on his Vietnam policies until it was too late to make a difference

[@bobongleizi5179]

they did said "after Vietnam" tho

[@calvinawald1225]

Claudia would be a phenomenal guest!!

[@GashPlague]

I place the blame for this outcome squarely on Joe Rogan.

[@samneibauer4241]

Roganites are the most insufferable

[@felixthecat0371]

houh

[@nateisawesome766]

you mean credit

[@Mirz-ei6tg]

Dang Yugo wasnt here😢

[@tonywords6713]

Thank you guys for the genuinely hopeful and uplifting advice towards the end. Seeing the liberals violent reaction towards people like me for being "lazy/racist/sexist" has been genuinely disheartening.

[@eges72]

It just shows they are actually on the same side

[@lovelylanafansweetie4240]

Y’all let a rapist in the White House and now ICE are talking children away from schools. ICE is in my area and they don’t arrest illegals they arrest anyone that looks Mexican. Plus the SA these ICE members do is insane. I’ve witnessed shit and If anything this radicalized me to be a liberal. F yall leftist I hope y’all do feel shame.

[@trapadvisor]

I voted PSL, they got 100k votes across the entire county

[@trapadvisor]

Country*

[@geoffreymartin6363]

I want a world where you could've gotten Kamala on the pod lol but unfortunately you guys giving the Democratic candidate actual consulting services would either require her not speaking, ever; or require another doctor to be present for Hakim's multiple strokes and someone to lock things away in Yugo's basement and keep him calm enough to not damage his microphone

[@ToiletBrew-IPA]

I love these subtitles

[@axShinsei]

Vast appreciation for the breakdown and to the point pep talks!

[@HongQiMin]

I'm a PSL member and most people in my chapter are Deprogram watchers, they would love for you guys to have Claudia on your show!

[@marcorevolucionario9623]

PSL? Sorry, as a Brazilian, I am pretty ignorant on local american politics.

[@HongQiMin]

@marcorevolucionario9623 Party for Socialism and Liberation, that's the party Claudia De La Cruz ran under and is a part of

[@Sadqueerguy69]

PSL is a dogshit dengist electoral party ​@@marcorevolucionario9623

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

I woke up this morning feeling emotionally numb after having a mental breakdown. But for some reason I don’t feel like giving up on life anymore. In terms only a brainrotted HOI4 TNO fan can understand, I went from “There is no hope under the Black Sun” to “The Great Trial awaits.”

[@abdelrahman788]

How are things going? I hope it's good.

[@naberville3305]

1st I was on duty when the election happened. I litterally had the "you wake up the map looks like this wyd" moment.

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Now with trump in office Gaza will not be in future maps

[@LayZKimochi420BlazeIt]

On duty? Better mean call of duty otherwise fuck you for your service

[@trapadvisor]

At first I thought you meant military/cop

[@naberville3305]

@trapadvisor the first one. Navy.

[@okieness9849]

​@@naberville3305and wtf are you still doing there? Criminal.

[@franjkav]

I honestly think the privilege y’all are saying individual Americans have is vastly overestimated. Just the logistics in organizing alone can be very difficult for some people. And many do not really have a concept of what organizing even is. Hell, just look at the pathetic literacy rates

[@franjkav]

Hakim just naive and maybe even ignorant in much of his spiel. Who cares if a communist party was once a thing. There has been decades of propaganda saying communism=bad since then. Some people now seriously believe AntiFa is fascist…it’s just ridiculous. There are more problems here and deeper problems than he seems to understand

[@qjtvaddict]

I don’t think this nation can overcome the low literacy rates

[@bentramer682]

This is true. We are slaves to the tax system. As some people put it.

[@soaapppppppp]

1:10:12 yeah that really puts everything into perspective. I know we're all upset by Trump winning, and the pain we are feeling is not invalid. I'd disagree with Hakim and say I don't think all of us will survive a Trump presidency. The rights of every minoritized group in the US are under attack. However, frankly our rights mean fucking nothing if we are willing to so callously disregard a genocide in order to keep them for a little bit longer. Now, we need to summon 1/100th of the bravery of the Palestinians to fight for the freedoms we're about to lose.

[@VnillaG0rilla26]

Presidential candidates love to back fracking because it does well in Pennsylvania, the most important state in the election because fracking is important to their economy. Dems just need to message it better and say that there will be a plan for the current oil workers to transition to clean energy or another field, funded by the government.

[@jasonpauda4204]

Unfortunately, telling people that doesn't go over so well. Americans don't like change or learning. The US wont ever change for the better and the human species is fucked

[@mrmanlet7385]

The real solution would be to abolish the electoral college. But we must play the cards we have been dealt.

[@Neurocataclysm]

This is the highlight of the day

[@jeffhiggins4478]

I love you guys. This was a sobering discussion, and it actually has me feeling slightly better about the future. Thank you.

[@logancatron2239]

Hakim is a master analyst

[@samneibauer4241]

Not only that, but he's extremely good at putting his ideas and thoughts into words and communicating them *in a secondary language*!

[@athklymqimtb]

Hakim has a lot of hikmah

[@caleb_güero]

I didn't have the money to continue my Habibi tier this month, but I will get it back this upcoming month.

[@axelgalloway4294]

I know it's a good cause, but taking care of your financial stability first is very good for all of us at least to the point of being secure. Don't go month to month to support streamers even if they are great as JT and Hakim, I'm sure they would appreciate

[@jonirischx8925]

If people would give the same amount of money to their local socialist parties, as they do to their agitprop streamer daddies, capitalism would already be a thing of the past. Just saying...

[@astralab-d1]

This show is one of the best available. Props to you guys.

[@ScaryFoot]

People were pissed I didnt vote. All I said was that the two party system sucks when both parties don’t have my best interest in mind. Then again I coulda voted for a third party but my dumbass was too busy protesting the two party system to consider it

[@qjtvaddict]

Exactly what the 2 parties want they WANT you to stay home

[@Kornilovungreat]

Dude there's a difference between a fascist and a conservative pro capital candidate...

[@colbyboucher6391]

Honest question. What do you think you have accomplished? Do you think your choice was somehow praxis? Are you an accelerationist (should've voted for him then)? If no one in the country voted, do you believe that if no one in the country voted, the national government would dissolve? Obviously voting would have contributed to this NOT happening. Now a significant portion of my friends are at a statistically higher risk of being murdered (and their murderers aquitted) and no, that is not hyperbole. Were you just "keeping your hands clean"? Because lemme tell you, if that's the reason, hooo boy I do not want you by my side in a proper revolution.

[@apersonwhohasnothing]

Thanks, you contributed nothing.

[@apersonwhohasnothing]

​@@colbyboucher6391 They want to pretend they are a good person.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Things are going to get a lot worse for americans I think, and everyone else as well to a greater or lesser extent. However this feels kind of like, ugh. I dont want to say relief, sort of, a sense of the pin has dropped, the worst has happened, now I can get on with preventing the same thing happening to the UK in five years. Ironically Sir Kid Starver has been much less right wing in domestic policy than he said he would be, but not anywhere bear left wing, so we need to get a new left wing party into power.

[@bluester7177]

I don't necessarily think the worst has happened yet, we need to wait and see if he actually will try to do what he said in the way he said he would.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

​@@bluester7177which one, Starmer or Trump?

[@dl-zf9dj]

If you're reading this, join a local org!

[@puffheadthegreate8527]

I been waiting all day for this to drop

[@nicelittlestyleslad]

thank you for this early upload ❤

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

7:07 The US millitary industrial complex is insane, China has been steadily gaining on the US in all sectors of the military and even surpassing it in some despite the fact that the PRC spends 3x less on its military. 1:07:17 In my experiance you are absolutely correct. Even down here in Alabama a vast majority of the people I've talked with that are around my age, so about 18-24 have been open to have a conversation. If you approach them with a "hey lets talk about this, lets have a civil debate" they are basically always open to hearing you out, I have a number of friends that used to be trump supporters that are now marxist.

[@omegascruff]

The country is beyond repair. It cannot be corrected before our demise. Capital is entrenched in our political climate, and it cannot be undone. This has been observable for awhile through the lens of either side of the aisle. I think this moment might be when the nation falls. I simply wish that suffering is minimal. I hope we can create something better, more adaptable, less corruptible, and more democratic in its place, with the well-being of its worker class prioritized above all else. At best, there will be internment camps. At worst... well... what could go wrong in strongest, most lethal nation in the world? Stay safe, comrades.

[@lana-jg4ho]

DDDDDD:

[@lana-jg4ho]

maybeeeee....things will turn out ok???

[@will823]

I feel like I'm about to bloody die 4 vids in a week 2 in one day this is the best ever critical support to you all

[@luaarenal5471]

Please, Usonians, play 1:02:42 through 1:05:37 on repeat until you GET IT. "The sheer power that you have in your hands is so significant, if you would only see it" - Hakim, and the rest of the planet

[@adamcorfman573]

Final count: Jill Stein had highest votes of a third party!

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

Your beautiful voices plus what hakim says (im tired) made me fall asleep to this vid, but now that i wok up i made sure to rewatch it ^^

[@Jacimicael]

Here in Brazil, we just got through the city elections and "no voting" won in the whole country even though it's mandatory

[@Bojoschannel]

It is true that the new Lula administration has just turned into another lukewarm neoliberal pretending to be a leftist?

[@1503010]

31:11 All these numbers imply population studies of people who voted and I think don’t account for the mass of people that didn’t vote. A drop in democrat support will appear as a rise in republican support when you only look at relative numbers

[@lucyskye180x]

free palestine 🇵🇸

[@TheFabledSCP7000]

From the river to the sea

[@y-s-]

glad you guys are around, makes me feel sane

[@mctanuki]

i'm an anarchist, and don't really agree with yall on like, your exact ideas about economics, but i keep telling people to watch yall's shit, and it's because of shit like this. not an untrue word spoken (well, except the thing about meatball ron being cuban, you were thinking of lyin ted) and yall be saying shit in normal-ass ways that make sense to me, a normal-ass person. like, i don't know what a tankie is supposed to be other than "leftist i disagree with about what we would do if we somehow won" but i keep getting called one for saying you talk sense. sense was spoken regardless, js.

[@jadasakura]

At least prop 4 passed in California. Small silver lining. Ridiculous we couldn't pass banning slavery, rent control, and raising minimum wage too 💔

[@420JackG]

Turnout was low

[@Chavez_Soria]

I thought it was high

[@420JackG]

@Chavez_Soria Nah, it was down significantly from 2020.

[@Chavez_Soria]

@@420JackG well yeah maybe it wasn't as high as it was then because of mail in stuff but I think it was still kind of high because I thought he was winning with the low propensity ones

[@colbyboucher6391]

Because of self-righteous leftists in these comments who can't separate their feelings from practicality.

[@emperorspock3506]

Re: Soviet labour camps. It is generally somehow assumed that it was 'slave labour'. It was not, and any parallels to the American system are plainly disgusting. (a) The labour camp system was a financial BURDEN on the Soviet union throughout its existence, a net negative. There was no monetary profit being made, and the whole point of it was to rehabilitate criminals and finally get them to do a real job for once, to do something admirable even. And to that effect, barring a brief period around 1942-43 (guess what was happening), (b) labour camp inmates were paid THE SAME WAGE people outside were paid FOR THE SAME WORK. There were deductions for food and shelter, but inmates who actually worked properly still ended up with sizeable savings, enough to start the life outside (let it also be known that they wouldn't sit unemployed because of their conviction either). Dalstroy is a very telling example: it was a mining conglomerate originally built in the Far East in the early 1930's, mostly my labour camp inmates. By late 1930's, prisoners were a small minority of Dalstroy employees, and much of this shift was due to a lot of people just deciding not to go once they got out. Those gold-mining wages were too bloody good, and they'd already got the taste.

[@lvvnart5127]

Love you guys

[@Bestmuppet4820]

I know JT isn’t in the same circles as me, and he probably won’t see this comment. But my liberal friends have been absolutely melting down on social media and real life. And I’m in a fairly red state atm

[@CComrade]

Voted PSL, felt good about it

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Same, but I feel like I might have made a mistake.

[@CComrade]

If you feel guilty about Kamala losing, don't. Just like JT and Hakeem talked about, this is a failure by the Democratic party. They own this historic fumble. And even *if* she had won, the only difference would likely have been that the we would pretend to be the good guys for another four years while conducting genuinely evil acts as a state.

[@marting5308]

You yourself are the sole reason for Trump winning :(

[@KickinRadTopHat]

@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 As an individual and not part of an organized voting bloc, the outcome of the election is largely out of your hands. Think of it like being the only person you know choosing to boycott a business, it makes you feel better and that’s not worth nothing but you need way more people acting alongside you to actually do something.

[@johnmanpls5577]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45the entire Greens, Cornel West and PSL voting bloc wouldnt have given Harris the win. Trump would still lead by millions. 600k of Progressive Third party votes is insignificant compared to the 13 million Democrats who didn’t vote this election

[@shanefoster2132]

Well said Hakim (and JT). Time to get back to work. If you haven't started already, it's time to get to work.

[@zainmudassir2964]

Lets go bois. Freedom struggle in Palestine and elsewhere regardless of dumb US election 💪

[@eges72]

"Neither Trump nor Biden, nothing will change US' foreign policies and their suffocation of the Turkish Republic" -Erol Mütercimler, Turkish political scientist

[@walterwz]

The popular vote for Biden was 81,282,916, The popular vote for Harris was 67,957,895. 13,325,021 voters either switched to Trump or just stayed home. The DNC is the problem here.

[@eges72]

If you ask me the DNC deliberately let it go and their strategy was actually to make trump win. DNC and GOP serve the same interests of capital.

[@dreinstar2352]

trumps numbers dont seem any different than 2020's, so it largely seems like they stayed home.

[@LogOut4Me._.]

1:05:30 thanks for telling us what we need to do

[@fightthepowerman]

30:05 jt your memory sucks, the Iraq war had the biggest demonstrations in US history. Iraq war demonstrations were looking down on Vietnam demonstrations all like "but i don't see anything?"

[@SecondThought]

That’s incorrect. You may be thinking of the February 15th day of protest that was worldwide, which was huge, but overall protests *in the US* were far less frequent and sustained than those opposing the Vietnam war. Like I said in the video, that’s not to take anything away from the protestors, just making comparisons.

[@links2349]

There were a few big protests in the US against the Iraq War, like 500K in DC one day. But it couldn't sustain those numbers on a regular basis.

[@someotherandomman]

There was a million person march in NYC against Iraq war, and that according to the NYT, so it was probably bigger.

[@ericktellez7632]

Read on it, it was not sustained

[@anthonygotttheonly]

15:18 Born and raised in Kansas, its Kansans

[@returningwhisper]

The copium today from democrats has been delicious. Who would have thought someone offering nothing would lose to a regime change.

[@whatabouttheearth]

It's warranted genius. Because it will in fact be worse for many people domestically and globally now that Trump has won. He will give Israel even more free reign with no attempts behind the scene to chill things out, He will add further economic warfare on Cuba like he did back in the day, life for undocumented Brown immigrants in the US and even immigrants with green cards will be a living hell, they seek to not only ban gay and lesbian marriage but basically their existence and that of trans people, they seek to install local unelected Christian leaders as local political leaders, they seek to get rid of NOAA, EPA and any climate change science and they seek to get rid of the Department of Education. If you don't think Trump winning is worse than Harris for everyone than you are apparently immature and ignorant as to what is going on. Project 2025 seeks to implement a new form of ACTUAL neofascism.

[@whatabouttheearth]

It's warranted genius. Because it will in fact be worse for many people domestically and globally now that Trump has won. He will give Israel even more free reign with no attempts behind the scene to chill things out, He will add further economic warfare on Cuba like he did back in the day, life for undocumented Brown immigrants in the US and even immigrants with green cards will be a living hell, they seek to not only ban gay and lesbian marriage but basically their existence and that of trans people, they seek to install local unelected Christian leaders as local political leaders, they seek to get rid of NOAA, EPA and any climate change science and they seek to get rid of the Department of Education. If you don't think Trump winning is worse than Harris for everyone than you are apparently immature and ignorant as to what is going on. Project 2025 seeks to implement a new form of ACTUAL neofascism.

[@justinwest4923]

Gentlemen. I have applied to join the PSL. Finally. I was able to overcome the ADHD and stop putting it off. I don't believe there's a branch in my area, though, so we'll see what comes of this.

[@Sadqueerguy69]

PSL has a history of protecting abusers and are dengist, genuinely I recommend food not bombs even though they're an anarchist org they do more actual mass work than psl

[@leftymclefterson582]

Well, guess we are committed to the accelerationist path now May the posadist aliens watch over us all

[@marcorevolucionario9623]

Posadism is the funniest ideology ever.