The Deprogram Episode 12 - Communism is when no food

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[@mimori8]

The Hakim poop story is some great revolutionary theory

[@goutamboppana961]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDd

[@Dell-ol6hb]

true

[@Aermydach]

Standard medical practice?

[@TheAprilChicken]

@@Aermydach makes no sense to me codeine would make him more constipated

[@tbohn10]

@@Aermydach maybe a laxative, or a cup of coffee lmao

[@seropia]

My favorite way to subvert the "100 million dead" argument is to bring up how many people were killed just in colonizing America and how they try to downplay those deaths constantly

[@52flyingbicycles]

Or the fact that the number is just made up. Like how people killed by the Nazis in WW2 are attributed to Stalin. Or Nazi soldiers are reported as “victims” of the USSR defending itself. Or counting lower birth rates.

[@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744]

The "if you don't like it here, why don't you leave?" argument is such a conservative thing to say, as though staying here and trying to make things better for _everyone_ never crossed their selfish, stupid minds. It's not about easing _my_ suffering, but also the suffering of others. Those who ask why you don't leave are revealing their true animosity for other people and their unwillingness to contribute to a better society for everyone, and they're too dumb to even realize that.

[@jackbates7467]

...then they complain people keep moving to where the live from "Commiefornia".

[@citizenoftheworld2694]

Beautifully put.

[@irrelevant1242]

Same as when they ask why u don’t just find a better job instead of trying to unionise

[@windhoek1675]

People only want equality insofar as they stand to benefit from it, I don't think any of you actually give a shit about alleviating other people's suffering, especially when push comes to shove. You're just a bunch of parasites, if you weren't you wouldn't need to mooch off of others.

[@pattiannepascual]

the people in commie countries are severely suffering and dying. Why don't you go help them?you are a hypocrite.

[@MarkSalhany]

Love all the detail in the artwork. Lol, JT wearing a Second Thought T-shirt

[@nerd2814]

Playing Smash on a Gamecube - man's truly cultured if anything.

[@untraceablefgc-9mkii251]

I already listened all episodes on Spotify, i shall commet for the algorithm!

[@Ghdfshhs]

I'll reply for the algorithm

[@avigailpekelman8239]

@@Ghdfshhs me too

[@ringotheflamingo6900]

hero

[@setheloe7090]

Reply = stonks

[@ringotheflamingo6900]

@@setheloe7090 I FRIGGIN LOVE MEMES!

[@serapher-p9y]

i found your 100th episode by coincidence after watching yugopnik and second thought's less socialist videos i am now 11 and a half hours in and i have no intent on stopping

[@thedeprogram9999]

oh shit, remember to hydrate

[@NKVD.Officer]

balls deep in the red

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

​​@@NKVD.Officerfr.. After listening to 12 hours of the deprogramme.. I have red eyes, a red room, red books, a red house, a red city and a red country Everything around me is red and yellow and I LOVE it!!! (It's like taking communist ayhuasca)

[@yosawin3018]

Capitalism is so good at creating jobs that you can have half a dozen jobs yet still can't afford a roof over your head!

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

and a reserve army of labor ready to take your jobs for half the money at a moment's notice

[@baptizednblood6813]

It’s also good at creating scarcity

[@superbeltman6197]

People who try the "no innovation" argument conveniently forget that the Soviets won the space race.

[@edredwhittingham4417]

1:02:54 “Yo why are those people farming without a profit motive? What the hell are they doing?” One of your best lines!

[@PhedelCastro]

He never explained why someone would do something without a profit motive. “For the good of the community” or “because people want to stay busy” aren’t reasons. He even said that gross/terrible jobs would be paid more which totally negates socialism

[@edredwhittingham4417]

@@PhedelCastro I can’t imagine why a society would farm without a profit motive!

[@1itemorless]

@@PhedelCastro Because they want to live? because they want to better their own an other's lives? Do you seriously have no hobbies?

[@PhedelCastro]

@@1itemorless nobody is snaking toilets or trash collection as a “hobby”. If I’m working, I want to be paid and have my own things. Nobody is going to work in a factory for their hobby. People accept communism for family and friends and community, not for some strangers.

[@1itemorless]

@@PhedelCastro So that's you only accepting family, not me btw. 1. Marx's own vision as well as other philosophers of communsim didn't think a moneyless society would be possible without full automation, 2. Cleaning trash and sewage is the same as "wanting to live" because its literally nessecary in a city to do so and live healthy. 3. If we were actually free you could choose to live in a neighboorhood competely filled with friends and family, and you could divide up the "chores" of sanatation. 4. All socialist countires do pay people for work, its just they think that farmers trash collecters, carpenters, doctors, people that do really hard work should actually be making more than anyone else, and should actually reap the benefits instead of it going to the shareholders.

[@DarckT7]

I'm so glad yall on KZbin! I never remember to open Spotify so I've missed so much! Also, I love the animation 😂

[@Harlez]

cancel your spotify and get napster comrade

[@avigailpekelman8239]

@@Harlez what is napster?

[@CraigKeidel]

​@@avigailpekelman8239It was a peer to peer filesharing site from the late 90s and early 2000s. Kinda like torrents but slower and less organized.

[@obcursus]

the intro got me dying

[@brayxan4741]

Just noticed that album cover (between the window, banknote, and gun), great taste in music.

[@avigailpekelman8239]

What is it?

[@Grexsome]

Also curious, what is it?

[@brayxan4741]

Etazi by Molchat Doma

[@colonel__klink7548]

One of the things that I really enjoyed about binging Hakim's youtube channel was it completely destroyed all the stupid npc responses I had.

[@Adalore]

It's human nature...to convince themselves that they are right. And also loops into a joke about itself pretty well.

[@mojojojo2888]

The Deprogram is like *the* best podcast on planet Earth. Love you comrades. A lot of great arguments.

[@geoffreymartin6363]

Capitalists totally take a big risk! Having that much money this close to the revolution, absolutely risking the wall

[@emanuelneagu14]

9:37 yeah, oh god, I remember even now that image from that cursed power point they've shown us in history class with the swastica equals the hammer and sickle, listing down all the common traits and calling social democrats the only form of acceptable left... absolutely disgusting

[@theregalproletariat]

Gods of Olympus, who was your history teacher?!

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@theregalproletariat it doesn't even matter, they're teaching this bullshit all around Romania, we're supposed to be the States' puppies so we're supposed to dislike Russia, China, communism.

[@melelconquistador]

did it revolve around authoritative characteristics?

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@melelconquistador totally, there was nothing good about the USSR listed there. Not even them fighting the common nazi threat together with the supposedly good countries, USA, UK, France etc.

[@aninternetuser8102]

@@theregalproletariat probably the ghost of Regan himself.

[@sachafriderich3063]

I leave in slovenia and have grandparents that have lived through most of socialist yugoslavia and (born cca 1948) and I at times ask them how were things back then healthcare back in yuga, "way better, everyone had his doctor and there was no waiting", when did you build the house, "I was 25" ( its a huge house divided in three flats now, btw average age of leaving home here is abt 30 now, and tgat is to a rented garsoniere), "there was zero homeless", "if your bike got stolen the cops would be sure to find it", "we were totaly chillin with the bosnians" (quite a lot of racism towards them now), "everything was cheaper". Ok wouldnt it be better if we still lived under socialist yugoslavia then. Oh well the socialists just didnt know how to run the economy thats why it collapsed.

[@alextiedt4481]

Awesome, I'm glad these are finally on KZbin.

[@kzisnbkosplay3346]

The problem is that the Nazis called themselves the "National Socialist Party". They clearly weren't actually Socialist, but they used that phrase to capitalize (tehe) on the, then, popularity of socialism.

[@DF-be6pn]

If we follow that line of thought DPRK is a democratic state. Also Hitler had this to say about Socialism "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."

[@jimcrelm9478]

And the unpopularity of capitalism in the aftermath of the Great Depression. Nazis did restrict the freedom of capital to some degree, but they did it on behalf of monopoly capital at the expense of workers (literally; they froze wages and murdered labor unionists while leaving the property of wealthy "Germans" intact). If liberalism is all about preserving the the freedom of capital, fascism is about preserving the power of monopoly capital and the tyrannical social relations of production (the domination of the worker by the corporation) in the face of crisis and revolution. For this reason fascists adopt the aesthetics of socialism (or syndicalism) while embodying the opposite of what socialism is in substance.

[@DF-be6pn]

@@jimcrelm9478 People often talk about Hitler's antisemitism and he is considered a lunatic who wanted to kill jews in todays society, but the thing is, he was very calculated and knew what he was doing. Everyone talks about his foreign affeirs but people rarely disect his domestic policies of Union busting, or lets not forget "Adolf-Hitler-Spende der deutschen Wirtschaft" which was a private fund which was kept alive for years by very wealthy people who supported the reich. Or how he invented a new concept, the "personality right," that enabled him to charge a small fee for every postage stamp with his picture on it, a venture that made him hundreds of millions of marks.

[@PhedelCastro]

Were socialists tricked into voting Nazi then? What does that say about Socialists?

[@jimcrelm9478]

@@PhedelCastro There's a difference between an ordinary voter, looking for any alternative amid a collapsing system, who might vote socialist or fascist, and an actual socialist with a coherent worldview. Winning over voters who would otherwise support Nazis is good actually, and no socialist should apologise for that.

[@West3720]

30:51 Yes, the hell they can take your private property. It's called eminent domain. When the US wanted to build railroads and highways, that's exactly what they used to take people's private property, mostly belonging to black folks.

[@darkelwin02]

So many good points here I cannot begin to list them all. One interesting thing that stuck with me is about human nature. Evolutionary Biology can tell us some more beyond what you already pointed out (that humans lived communally since before history and even during): humans are social. Greed is not in our 'nature'. There are dynamics that give rise to such things when resources are being distributed after work, but these can be worked around with simple rules within a society. Even if you could not argue pro-socialism from Psychology and Biology (though, we can, easily) one sure can make the argument that Capitalism is against human nature. The translation of the concept escapes me, but when we look at 'underdogs' (basically all the workers/proletariat) they will often want resources to be distributed equally. Only the ones that believe that they put in more effort want otherwise (whether it is true or not). What you didnt mention in this installation, but probably know very well, is that humans want to work within relations, and not be alienated and isolated. This is a very strong Psychological argument. As you guys touched on as well, we do not want to see eachother starving... that is at least for the social among us. Sadly, some people are just anti-social, whether by brain defect or culture. But those people should be supported (read: mental health treatment, special care or just imprisonment), not let them run societies that destroy the earth.

[@israelvaldivia2686]

One comparison of human nature capitalist usually use in their podcasts is that compared to lions when the alpha eats first and the rest of the pack eats the left overs while the alpha sits on his ass while the others hunt but I don't see animals unnecessary being overly fat like humans this is just a delusion that has been accepted as "the way it is"

[@PhedelCastro]

Lol, you want to imprison anyone who disagrees with you

[@mikethechemis]

Good piece of work on criticizing capitalism (yet not advocating socialism in the first place) was done by Cody from SomeMoreNews YT-channel. I definitely advise you to watch some of his episodes.

[@Naheed_Ahmed14]

Mashallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded.

[@bubblepopper9979]

Examples like Venezuela are so sad to hear of as an excuse since it always ignores our part in their destabilization.

[@leninlover6989]

Love the artwork, all the little details are very cool!

[@chairmanlmao4482]

JT's voice crack at 10:46 will never not be funny

[@franciscomagalhaes7457]

I actually look forward to you guys tackling reactionary arguments. Some of them require some preparation, others are so incredibly moronic that it's easy to simply not even know where to start.

[@powerrangers9288]

After watching this whole episode, I've discovered that communism is when wall clock has no batteries.

[@Tmplar]

Elaborate plz

[@Tmplar]

@@333joshuaperezzz Communism is when you actually have time to stare at the sun because you and your infant child aren’t being exploited by a Nesle factory.

[@Tmplar]

@@333joshuaperezzz That wasn’t a comeback bro, ur cool.

[@jackbates7467]

I find JTs perspective about the "well just leave" attitude interesting, as a fellow leftist Texan the more right wing BS that comes out of our government, the more I want to get out.

[@kaptivatingstudios676]

Likewise- been living in North Texas and went from NeoLib to Lefty right before covid. It’s getting tougher everyday.

[@hyphen8d725]

@@kaptivatingstudios676 That's quite the journey! I went from alt-right pipeline, to apolitical once I started making friends, to watching hbomberguy, and falling into the progressive pipeline. Then I started actually watching the news, and figuring out that we are screwed. That's when I became a lefty. #yallidarity

[@KaDaJxClonE]

I lived in North Texas (FW area) for 7 years and after living in the Dallas (GP) area since childhood. I knew TX was about to step up it's alt right bs when Rick Perry was Trump's energy secretary. I found an escape route into Louisiana... Just as they elect a "deregulate" everything governor. Leaving doesn't fix the issue. Stand and fight. Vote for local county office, vote for comptroller, vote for the president of the local community college, vote for labor union reps. Make small advances on every front. Or end up further from home with the same reactionary gov following you.

[@RedScareClair]

The success rate of poop transplants is actually amazing. And you can make okay money donating it

[@leanderbarreto6523]

It's for IBS

[@CraigKeidel]

Back and forth. Forever. ))((

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

23:24 Never in my mortal existence did i ever think that i would hear the words, "State sanctioned ass eating" in a natural sentence 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheBdawg40]

On human natur also I'd chip in with, we have more things in common than not. We all want shelter, connection, meaning... and far more

[@heartnarchist]

this podcast helps me live a little while at work, I basically tune out all the idiots around me and can focus on being an idiot on my own terms reading crit lit between I copy editing user manuals and wait to quit in a month's time because grad school calling babyyyy

[@WesternCommie]

I know this episode is older, but I have personal experience with moving country. I did not move because of ideological reasons, but because of the subprime mortgage crisis caused my family to lose our home. My mom married a Canadian and thus, we moved to Canada.. The problem with moving countries is that most of the world is under the dictatorship of capital, so you aren't getting a vastly different system. Plus, Canada is just America Lite.. The only major difference is that Canada has a bad healthcare system that the conservatives are constantly chipping away at; compared to no healthcare system.. People here still scream how bad socialism is and call everything they hate communism.

[@Mech299]

Yugopnik's point, at least if I was following correctly, was "Fuck Jimmy from Wisconsin" xD

[@cabbage_spilla]

Bruh the theme out is absolute GAS I’m over here vibing

[@TheBdawg40]

You guys are doing something important and great here!

[@andreifilip158]

I'm so glad I put this on to eat my lunch at work

[@andreifilip158]

I'd just like to say I commented this about 1 minute in, I had no idea where it was going

[@HakimButSouthAfrican]

😂😂😂wow classic commie with the comically large spoon smh. Lmao.

[@SlickNinja1984]

You are my favorite comrades. I love you guys.💯😘

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

Amazing episode. I could reply to a LOT of youtube comments just by linking them to this. (Of course no one should do that it would be a terrible use of your time and mental energy...) I think a lot of the lazy criticisms of communism come from something the 'critic' has heard once, hasn't really given much thought and then has just regurgitated.

[@TheHonestPeanut]

The defining of private vs personal property was super helpful and well worded imo. It also helped me understand I'm not a socialist and I would be aggressively opposed to it. Especially with the false comparison that followed about "not very many people have... what the bezos and musk's have... so why not abolish private property?" I get that their practices are demonstrably harmful but that's literally the same false comparison the ruling class uses to justify their methods and get the working class to defend them; "we're just like you if you worked harder. They want to take your few last acres and independence!" We know Gates is buying up land but trading for a government doing it doesn't make it better.

[@NinthSettler]

If a proper proletarian government was established what is now private property would be public property instead. What you're thinking of is state capitalism, where the state owns the means of production, the private property. A transitory state between capitalism and communism, and definitely preferable to what we have now because it is in the interest of the government to enable people to function and so it would spend on public infrastructure that would benefit the population. Still not ideal.

[@TheHonestPeanut]

@@NinthSettler no I'm thinking of socialism. I like my private property, land and all.

[@NinthSettler]

@@TheHonestPeanut You fail to understand what private property is, then. You are describing personal property. We don't want your partly eaten sandwich. If you have multiple houses and multiple unused terrains, we would seize and use those. No one gets two until everyone has one.

[@TheHonestPeanut]

@@NinthSettler yeah I'm not misunderstanding anything. You still are though. You're not paying attention. You can be given much of what you need by socialism but you can't be given more cognitive ability. I have more than some and don't support it being taken. Many have more than me and I don't support that being taken. Not allowing anyone to have more until everyone has some isn't something I can justify. Assuring everyone has some IS but not by the means you or JT are outlining.

[@NinthSettler]

@@TheHonestPeanut Do you know about Salvador Allende? You might be interested in looking up how that went. Might explain why we think the way we do. You try to do things in a democratic way, with popular support, perhaps even playing within the rules of capitalism, and the CIA terrorists kill you and establish a piece of shit fascist dictator.

[@user-ke3hh4fv3k]

One of the best episodes!

[@Turdfergusen382]

Americans call it a head of garlic. Clove is the individual pieces.

[@venusiansociety9483]

This has to be the best episode

[@seankeogh2991]

big up the algorithm

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

3:46 AINT NO FUCKING WAY!?!?!?! LMAO THE HORRORS OF SOCIALISM 😂😂

[@owenbelezos8369]

there's also the argument that "you are a capitalist because {whatever]" I'm using capitalism to destroy capitalism

[@ShooterNumberOne]

Yugopnik is a vouvou-zealot

[@molochfrolics8443]

that's some sweet butterfly effect -waking life style materialism right there!

[@comradeinternet467]

54:35 Getting George Orwell's classic confused with the year the American console market crashed is probably evidence of brain worm starvation in progress.

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

38:55 The risk they took.. Without any worker's consent, whose life depends on having a job in the capitalist economy..

[@Octoberfurst]

I love these videos!

[@kerryfry1857]

Tax land not people. Georgism ✊

[@mirai1229]

utter banger

[@x_griffin_x]

1:05:20 Wisconsin mentioned!

[@IgorGuerrero]

Does JT even play games? What's your steam bro?

[@WesternCommie]

I actually have one of those hemp growing badges.. I don't believe it is real, but it is cool.

[@nohbdykairs5769]

56:41 I don't think it's so much that the artists are going into the workforce to "fulfill their capitalistic needs." They need to work these traditional jobs so they aren't starving in the streets.

[@NoelleSmash]

why do I keep getting Candice Owens and Matt Walsh ads on these videos?

[@sophustranquillitastv4468]

Still don't understand on innovation part, I want to believe your point on how socialism can encourage innovation better than capitalism as it will not be a profit driven but out of respect and the one who innovate that also doesn't need to take a risk in order to produce that innovation to consumer hand. But then, I still don't understand this how it work out despite watching so many of your content (including other leftist content from other creators). How should I put it.... Let suppose you have an idea to create something, maybe not an entirely new innovation, such as more efficient type of car engine, but in the process to produce it to consumer, you need a factory, you need other people's labor to help you produce, okay you can form cooperative with those people but you still don't have any resource to produce that, you can't built the factory to produce your innovation, you can't procure any material to produce that as well, because all resources are publicly own. If you really want to make that innovation, how can you accumulate the resource for it? Do you have to beg the state to give you those resources? Your innovation isn't in state's economic plan, and not supposed to (of course because no one supposed to know what's in your head), then it's certain that your idea will not see the light of day being produced. Maybe, I understand it wrong but it's more straightforward in capitalism. If you have money you can buy material and hire people and them you can produce your innovation. Will it fail in market, will there be anyone buy it, or will you bankrupt or lose your home from your trying, it's a matter of future, that's how things work. But in socialism, it seems trickier than that. And from how you said, seem to me you've implied that innovations are funded or make possible by the public, that's mean I have to beg the state or public entity to let me create something. It's counterintuitive. So, please explain how things work to make me clear up.

[@StefcioBiedroniarz]

I think it's pretty simple - you would go to the planning bureau or straight to the car factory with your invention and they'll either have a reserved pool of resources for innovation or divert some of the resources used elsewhere to work on your new engine. With all the real-time data we are able to access I don't think planned economy now or in the future would have 5-year plans with fixed quotas on everything; rather the plan can be tweaked at any given moment to re-allocate resources may a need arise somewhere (for example a new innovation or simply a product shortage).

[@eymed2023]

That is one question that I never really understood. If anything, Capitalism makes innovation harder, not easier. To make innovation, you need financial resources to buy materials, as well as access to means of production, AND the money to pay for all the labor power. Unless you have the time, money and workers needed make it happen, it will not happen. Capitalism does NOTHING to make these resources any easier to aquire. Capitalism creates barriers to innovation. Usually, the only innovation that happens under Capitalism is innovation for the sake of making profit, not because it's useful for society. Under Capitalism, if you don't have the necessary resources yourself to put your idea into practice, you can forget about it. It ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, Socialism makes it MUCH easier to get the resources necessary to put innovation into practice. Even if you don't have the resources needed yourself personally, you can still try and convince everyone else to use society's collective resources to make it happen. If you have an idea for innovation that can be useful for society, such as creating a cure for certain diseases or some new type of technology, you can mention your ideas during regularly scheduled assemblies, for example. If people like your idea, they can vote to invest society's resources and labor power into getting your idea made. That can include buying all the necessary parts to build a machine, buying the bricks and cement to make a building, gathering cientists to do research, etc. That is one of the advantages of Socialism. It makes it much easier to get things done, because you have access to much more resources which can be used to make things happen. These resources include everything from labor power, to materials, to the means of production, to money. Socialism is built on cooperation and prioritizing what is beneficial for society, even when it's not profitable. It promotes cooperation, and allows for humans to do what needs to be done in order to improve everyone's lives. It is completely natural for animals in general to have some level of cooperation in order to improve everyone's chances of survival. Socialism is built on that. It allows for both individuals and society as a whole to reap the benefits of their own labor, as they work to improve not only their own lives but the lives of society as a whole.

[@KekusMagnus]

Your crucial mistake is that you have a very individualistic outlook on innovation. In reality, innovation is usually made by coordinated teams of educated and highly skilled individuals working as part of a larger organisation, not lone-wolves working alone with no prior training. This is true in both capitalism and socialism, but in socialism these organisations are managed publicly with the goal of maximising the public benefit of innovation. There is no profit motive so nothing is stopping a skilled individual from submitting their ideas to public research organisations who will happily let you join the team if the ideas are good In Capitalism, unless you happen to be rich, you have to find venture capitalists to invest in your project and then deal with the fact that they will try to take control of your project and steer it in a route which is most profitable and not necessarily most innovative. Either that, or you have to join a larger company and work for them, only for it to take credit and patent any innovation you make. This isn't even getting into how intellectual property is a massive roadblock to innovation as it forces researchers to redesign the same things over and over again and blocks them from improving on other designs. That and how the reserve army of labor guarantees that at any given time in capitalism, a decent chunk of talented innovators will be unemployed and have their talents wasted. Absolutely nothing about Capitalism breeds useful innovation

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

28:08 The opposite of peogress.. Is *congress!!!*

[@sirnoobs8098]

could you link the study mentioned?

[@lukatosic09]

23:10 I'm dying

[@dumbestgoatonmars5697]

We’ll take the factories and the apes

[@noname-bu1ux]

Yeeeeeeeah

[@avigailpekelman8239]

I admire your enthusiasm

[@MarxistMogger]

i hate it when people mention the famine thing and say "but if we go socialist we are gonna all starve!" russia and china were going from feudalism to socialism. We are going from capitalism to socialism, we have the material conditions to get to it without a famine.

[@mayamayhemmusic]

23:15 this is why I am a socialist 🫡🍑

[@Pharry_]

ok but have you considered iPhone venezuela bottom text 900 billion dead tankie???????????????????????????????????

[@Pharry_]

twitter has significantly negatively affected my mental health

[@XS-03_Apollo]

@@Pharry_ Then don't use it

[@SlickNinja1984]

My uncle told me that in a conversation we had earlier today. If you don't like it, then leave.

[@jmagowan12]

Its hilarious for me that Yugoslavian is in marketing as a profession. 🤣 Yugoslavian Market socialism. As much as I would disagree with that stance.

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

Anti nato pfp 🤨

[@Nocternal774]

Comment for the algo

[@Subzearo]

I don't really like how they answered the concern of "risk". They just ignored important parts in the issue and just jumped to extremes and assumed that anyone starting a business is creating some innovative new product that requires millions to build. When people talk about risk of a business, they are not talking about the 1% of people like Zuckerburg and Elon Musk, they are talking about the 99% of people that own businesses that you can see when you step outside. Are they not risking a lot? Are there not people that fund their own business out of their own pocket? What would happen if their business fails? If they fail, would they be financially ruined? And if they have a family? Then what? These are going to be the questions people will be thinking. If you really are trying to "deprogram" people, you need to be good at identifying their concerns and addressing them the right way. If you want to change people's minds, address their possible anxieties, because many people that are wanting to start a business (not just because they have a good idea, but to avoid wage slavery) are not going to relate to billionaires like Elon Musk. A new business owner might hire wage labor, not because they're greedy, but because they see no other way. Most people would not understand how their business would work differently to the capitalist way. If someone has risked financial ruin to open their business, it would be in their own self interest for private property to exist. Maybe these things can be addressed in its own seperate episode?

[@samsadowitz1724]

On the other hand, the hired labor also puts a lot of risk into being hired into a small company like a restaurant or other independent retailer. I say this because when the business goes under, the wage labor is also in financial ruin because, in this day and age, any lapse in employment can spell financial ruin

[@Not_an_alligator]

I think you missed the part where they suggested that taking all of the risk away from the individual business owner is a good idea. I also think you entirely missed the point of their conversation on personal vs. private property under socialism

[@samsadowitz1724]

@@Not_an_alligator yep, under capitalism, everything is full of risk and life is one big casino... one bad roll away from financial ruin unless you are the one running/owning the casino.

[@emanuelneagu14]

You missed the point. That 99% of people that own businesses are risking more everyday than Musk or Bezos or whatever billionaire ever did. There's people who praise billionaires in the US, who buy their dirty narratives and believe this risk is normal and they can get there too but they just have to get better. Liberals all of them believe the current way is optimal and the risk is normal. Those are the people these 3 guys were talking to, telling them that Musk and all the others didn't really risk and nobody should really risk. So their answer to all your questions would be yes, you're right. You've just misunderstood the point of their argument.

[@Subzearo]

​@@emanuelneagu14 To be honest, I listened to this show weeks ago and only commented on this youtube upload just to comment. I just skipped to that part and maybe I forgot what their whole point was.

[@jansecj9472]

My fav one is "Communism is when Capitalism". Basically, when people try to criticize "Communism" and end up describing Capitalism.

[@leanderbarreto6523]

De pogrom

[@avigailpekelman8239]

De-pog-ram

[@IVEaLOVE]

100 million people were killed in colonization of India.

[@Notfunnysam]

Reading?!!! Books are bad. Lol

[@littlegamer00]

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[@genocide_cutter98]

The factories belong to the owners! You can't just take them!" No one gonna to invest in factory and let you just take them by force without a way to protect them. You guys don't know shit about how the real world works.

[@Tmplar]

Who’s going to protect their land? Other people they exploit?

[@sanctionskillkids3541]

Talk to the Communist Party of Venezuela.😮