The Disturbing Downfall of LionMaker (2013 - 2018)

[@piotrnapora5810]

He was confirmed to have been in a sexual relationship with a minor and yet he's not rotting behind bars? The hell?

[@nicqueryjohnson4195]

Really BLEEPs me off...

[@kelliebrogan7212]

World recommend not doing that bleep thing, it’s cringe

[@piotrnapora5810]

@@kelliebrogan7212 OK, I'll have that in mind

[@chodeoriki4113]

Jon Earley touching kids is disturbed.

[@AA-bz1pr]

@@jonearley6602 And you think doing sexual acts with kids isnt? He should rot in prison

[@terriblebadedits3814]

Why am I addicted to this guy's downfall series when I don't even know half the people he does them on

[@jugsy7305]

I somehow got here after watching worlds strongest man 2006 lol and I don't know why either I guess it's just KZbin expanding my horizons 😂

[@masterofmasters7936]

@@Nosequeshs how

[@chrisnonyou2026]

@Fetishonyoutube he is probably a fake

[@HueboMoment]

Bro same, I don’t know shit about these people but it’s so interesting. Maybe because they usually do some outlandish shit

[@coolsomeash]

Deadass

[@austinshelton500]

The only person who is in all of these episodes is Keemstar. Just saying.

[@lainedsyelwah]

True

[@anoldchannel2804]

I mean, he IS a news channel

[@rigormortiz5357]

Drbolsen more like drama channel

[@JayFoxer]

@@anoldchannel2804 if you want news channel. watch scarce

[@veravega9965]

You don’t know stampy?

[@Sp3ctralI]

It’s really depressing to see your childhood/teenhood again and then see how it crumbled down into unspeakable things or simply just fading out from time

[@overandout351]

I feel like the saddest thing about all of this is the fact that people who get super popular do this in the first place there's so many people out there that do this and for what

[@lawjef]

It's depressing to see a large YT channel refer to concepts like the "up rise" of a channel. He can't afford a spell check and doesn't do English grammar. Not at all representative of an Australian education. Every episode on this channel the script is... in need of work. But I mean the most basic of basic work. Smh

[@Sp3ctralI]

@@lawjef uprise was used correctly, are you just trying to be rude for the sake of being rude, why did you waste like 5 minutes to type a freaking paragraph?

[@soulofflame9999]

@@lawjef Damn Bro That's Crazy But Guess What kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH24nJqIdt6SjNE

[@housewilma4904]

@@Sp3ctralI he liked his own comment so its obvious he just loves to Huff his own farts.

[@moonlightblue9196]

I remember writing "Become Lionmaker's Friend" on my goals list as a kid..

[@corlow4692]

oh god

[@ibrahimkhurram6534]

Better burn that list

[@vegetableman3911]

*Vomits inside mouth*

[@vidzumer365]

He would sure want to become your friend...with benifits

[@mr.stonks8828]

Honestly in 2014 I would do things just like that (I was 5 or 6)

[@Chiken1]

he handled this horrible, compare him to LeeBear who went silently and fixed his life then came back to explain....

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Amber Hawksong Tobuscus wasn’t evil but it was pretty much proven he did say some pretty horrible stuff. However he just shouldn’t have tackled the accusations head on. He should have gotten legal consultation first

[@Soulraven2735]

Also reminds me of ProJared

[@mateoparedes9586]

Those allegations were never confirmed for lee bear....

[@rashto3940]

difference is one made a mistake, the other was a very big pedophile

[@Ohhhh955]

YOOOOO LIONMAKER CHANNEL IS GONE YALLLSSS :)

[@SethColby69]

i'm sensing the downfall series is mostly gonna be heavenly be featuring a lot of drama alert

[@anotheraggieburneraccount]

Drama Alert documents drama, and downfalls are usually plagued with drama.

[@_ikako_]

@@anotheraggieburneraccount he hardly documents it when he's the one instigating the vast majority of it or, at the very least, blowing it way further out of proportion than it should be.

[@PONI130]

Yes

[@osomister]

As well as pedofiles

[@iiomqfaderz]

Probably

[@isabellemehm9565]

The fact that he wasn’t arrested right away for publicly sharing cp is beyond me 💔

[@jpns007]

Legitimately wonder how that didn't lead to immediate consequences

[@KazeHorse]

It’s frustrating because shi like that let’s these cretins think they can get away with it because they did the first time…

[@browzn]

" ❤️" or "💔"?

[@jpns007]

@@browzn Unfortunate typo lmao💀

[@kenpat9966]

the government would shock you

[@helios_is_my_name]

It's disturbing that he's still uploading and interacting with his child viewers.

[@senorhace4746]

KZbin is now a p3d0 ring

[@AlexanderScott66]

What's even more "disturbing" is that Paige is still uploading with him(prime example, latest one at the time I'm posting this). Hmm something doesn't add up

[@subtopewds75pixilings79]

Alexander Scott ikr

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Alexander Scott Stampylongnose is on his channel. This is just weird

[@SiDjack]

@@thomasalvarez6456 that was years ago

[@CronoZin]

If we look back so many “kid friendly” you tubers are very sexually attracted to children or harassing

[@ThePartyHasJustBegun]

I’m glad that youtubers like stampy and dantdm wasnt

[@No-vw9yi]

C86Deluxe yeah thats a fact Dan, Stampy, and Lion were all i watched growing up

[@adhitya858]

@@ThePartyHasJustBegun and squid

[@revamp2672]

Ssunder

[@Garry503]

That just makes it more disturbing...

[@isabellemccabe4440]

He was my childhood. I watched all his videos for 3 years. I watched him when he was still faceless. I loved his hide and seek. I wrote on a Christmas wish list to be his friend. When I found out about all of this it broke me.

[@isabellemccabe4440]

Sorry. 2 years. Not 3.

[@devboo]

:(

[@robyn3908]

me too, i literally just searched his channel to see if he was still uploading and i have just found all of this out and i’m shocked to say the least :/

[@thegingerbreadlad140]

i remember him and stampy arguing over who got the orange slot in hunger games

[@willie_b]

you might end up being more than friends instead

[@Payne_]

Stumbled on this channel yesterday and can’t get enough of it. Most of these growth and fall have a pattern. And it just shows how flawed we are as humans. I wish I could explain the positive psychological effect it’s had on me. But I can’t so I’ll just say thank you for this amazing content.

[@death6777]

The hell? I use to watch lionmaker when I was a kid. I forgot about him since my parents said I couldn't watch minecraft anymore a while back in 2014-15 ish. They told me it was bad and stuff so I stopped. And I see this video on my reccommended and my face is like "Ohh I remember that nice dude." He's a terrible person it's good that I learned. I am truely disgusted.

[@maphacks8311]

They told you Minecraft videos were bad for you? What LMFAO

[@Raima_Is_Lovely]

@@maphacks8311 Yea my mom said that too before. I think it was at a point where most kids were obsessing over the game and some parents told them to have a break from playing it. Maybe that's why some people that haven't played Minecraft in years are coming back for the nostalgia, like me.

[@spacetacos7574]

It was likely either your parents still believing that video games are evil bs or the found out about lion before you did

[@tiarareihmequiota6618]

@@spacetacos7574 im thinking its more likely the latter, but looking at how parents are parents its also likely the former

[@ben.10..]

Bruh you're parents were stupid they shouldn't told you to not watch him instead of not to watch minecraft

[@purpp6114]

It’s kindve sad knowing that I watched this guy as a kid. I’m older now and this is totally new information for me.

[@blurr629]

same, I never knew the full story until now....

[@BlockMasterT]

He nethier

[@jacobkyle3806]

Same i use to defend him lol

[@artellama989]

Trust me man, go to his new channel and watch the whole thing of his reaction about this, and its info from a first party source, not some keemstar or mom that twists stories, just go watch the video its about 2 hours.

[@eliasnoury6593]

Ya me too :(

[@pinkgorl9074]

A couple days ago, KZbin terminated Lionmaker. It's for the better and it's good to know that he's gone for good, and hopefully won't harm any children anymore.

[@Wingkwan..]

Ya but it takes months

[@akie6797]

Bro I try to feel bad but I cant I have a lack of empathy to strangers to me

[@gamingpolice589]

He’s gonna whip out his mini Ladd

[@ericthewhizkid5510]

HE'S BACK! Everyone, *SOUND THE MOBILIZATION!*

[@Rose_01003]

This comment age like Milk, he got unbanned from KZbin

[@tylers1940]

Watched his videos for 3-ish years, his laughs made my day, how does a seemingly nice and caring person turn out to be the exact opposite? I will never understand.

[@maxdam4059]

maybe it's just a facade so he could hide his evil side

[@malayaelle]

Same with me, I watched this guy as a kid always loved his videos…. Now I’m shocked ..

[@lithuania_urbex]

He isint him he was a good person but he got mentally broke and became like this

[@Swagmanrx]

@@maxdam4059 obviously duh he’s a fucking psychopath who tf posts child p*rn to twitter

[@uckbritley1305]

Its because the overly-friendly, immature acting adults who target children on the internet tend to be trying to groom children. What a shock!

[@LightningZetton]

Ohhh so this is what mcjuggernuggets means by "Oh my god dude I'm not sleeping with 12 year olds dude, leave that to the minecraft youtubers" LMAO

[@MaKo_CRAZ]

Lol

[@Normalcloud124]

Lol

[@odeefromdawic]

What’s a mcjuggernuggets

[@Normalcloud124]

@@odeefromdawic hes a youtuber

[@lanztersgaming9653]

Which video?

[@vinnyreed723]

I’ll be the first person to say this, Colossal is Crazy is a chad

[@midirstormcat]

I'm the 2nd to say this colossal is crazy is a chad

[@satboi2734]

I’m the millionth person to say colossal is lazy

[@scaryyogurt6893]

I'll be the billionth person to say this, colossal is crazy is a chad

[@pigogriff]

CHHAAAAADDDDD

[@Tigerdazzledash]

ill be the third to say colossal is crazy is a chad

[@meatilicious1900]

Paige has been through all this and now I just want to give her a hug, she didnt deserve this

[@oblivious3161]

@Denny Rubin wuh-

[@stickman3214]

Denny Rubin Could you please not be a child predator

[@smegma-ih5ds]

Stickman do you know how old is he

[@SGT676]

@@stickman3214 him saying shes pretty doesnt automatically mean hes a pedo

[@onnellesho5113]

@@SGT676 Literally anybody calling him a pred is fucked as your mind went straight to that. Sometimes a compliment is really just that, a compliment.

[@DecemberX2X]

I love this channel. I’ve been binge watching your content finding out what’s happening to all my favorite old KZbinrs

[@ilikeramenyum616]

This guy was my childhood used to watch all his videos everyday for like 2 years they always made me happy and smile not to mention for me they appeared to be super high quality. When I noticed he stop posting and then someone took over I cried then forgot about him.

[@bluesplashgaming1284]

Andres Sanchez s a m r

[@lyc.7007]

SAME

[@Romulus_aint_shyt]

Same

[@roranger6208]

I never personally watched him, just saw his map featured on a stampy video and thought he seemed cool. That was probably around 2012-2013

[@Istrianprincess]

same

[@bananavey]

I would like to add that LionMaker actually stated on his channel that he does not use twitter, further adding to the fact that he's trying to distance himself from the allegations that happened during the past.

[@Korosareta]

@@tyujg7495. Destining

[@sneakyfiregaming9005]

@@tyujg7495. destining

[@Chisan_official]

Who is paigethepanda

[@bananavey]

@@Chisan_official watch the video lol

[@Bruh-ok1rq]

Untrue. He recently made a 2 hour stream reacting to this video trying and faily horribly to debunk this video

[@noahsnyder6123]

It all comes back to Keemstar, doesn’t it?

[@user-jx1xj8gf8t]

Yes

[@jamessinclair2898]

Reminds me of Fredrik Knudsen's 2hr video on the rise and fall of Wings of Redemption. Keemstar showed up a bunch in that.

[@mosesrodriguez3966]

No shit, he reports news stories

[@Very.Nice.]

@Egg T gotta make lions somehow

[@rainstormynights]

"You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."

[@rosykindbunny1313]

This is downright despicable and disgusting. The fact that he's still out there... it's just... words can't describe it!

[@twes003]

It’s just the world we live in. Petty thieves are thrown in jail with murderers while SOs get off scott free

[@thatwolfdude018]

Lionmaker: No I did not have sexual relations with that woman Lionmaker: Ok maybe I did have sexual relations with that woman

[@gloomycandy101]

*child

[@SpheroJr3289]

Bill cliton summed up

[@lesscringeymapperdude]

@@SpheroJr3289 yes

[@lilyhero1033]

Lodders girl might be a better word then? a 15 year old is not a woman lol.

[@camharkness]

Woman is usually set for females over the age of 18. Girl is for 17 and below usually.

[@thesnatcher3616]

I think a reason for his uprise following the thirteen-year-old girl incident was due to the fact that people didn't want to believe. People, no kids, didn't want to believe a KZbinr, someone who they watched every day, who elicited tons of positive emotions from them, could have done such a thing. It was so different from the persona the fans had in their heads, the persona of a guy who made videos for fun, a guy who loved Minecraft, and a guy who appreciated his fans and support. But in reality, that wasn't the case. What a world we live in huh?

[@sammy_sand_utubeyt6901]

@@raihaana1686 regardless, sometimes people go into denial 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@generalbaryonyx6850]

Yeah that kind of happened to me. Now I feel terrible ever supporting him afterwards. He was one of my favourites as a kid and I guess I couldn’t accept it.

[@randomdudeontheinternet5901]

Or they just dont give a shit I mean would a kid care about all this drama as long as he is entertaining kids will still watch him

[@Bruh-ux6wb]

The world is a lie. A god forsaken hell hole.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Bruh-ux6wb👍👍👍💯💯. The world is no longer the fun and enjoyable place it was for the 80s, 90s, and 2000s generations

[@sinusoidal5974]

50 years in the future: "The amazing uprising of Sunnyv2"

[@jadoggoman7120]

Lmao

[@miloticoreo48]

Make it to 5 years

[@husaini8009]

@@miloticoreo48 he accidently pressed 0

[@atomicjoseph9295]

And the Dramatic Downfall...

[@Im__A__Fan]

More than true.

[@Capybara1997-o1l]

Doesn't YT have a "schedule release" function? It could be, he was getting ready to go to court for sentencing, had bonded out previously, and scheduled videos to go out during that time.

[@mrroboshadow]

it does have that fuction now im not sure it had it back then

[@laloandbendy]

How will it work though

[@Capybara1997-o1l]

@laloandbendy Many youtubers--particularly minecraft youtubers, and a lot of gaming youtubers--can make numerous videos in a short period of time. Especially if they're playing alone or making compilations. So they can have, day, a dozen videos ready, and schedule them to release at various times.

[@subayee]

Lmao he made a video reacting to it and is still saying everything is false

[@Hohhot]

LMAOOOOO

[@tabbiexcat]

I used to watch his videos when I was younger and I remember when a lot of this stuff came out. I didn’t know about a good bit of it, I just knew he was in a relationship with Paige. I was so young that I didn’t really realize how serious it was. I didn’t really think of his as a pedo or a bad person because I was so naive and young. Looking back on it now I wish I knew how serious it was. I hope Paige is doing well currently.

[@thesnatcher3616]

Yeah, I could relate. Imagine if Albert from Flamingo or Jason from dunkey being a pedophile. I wouldn't want to believe it.

[@akatsuxen]

@@thesnatcher3616 It's impossible for albert to be a pedophile cause he hates kids as a joke and he already has a girlfriend but i don't see that happening.

[@thesnatcher3616]

@@akatsuxen I know that, and I hope that's true.

[@vuhzz]

@@thesnatcher3616 all the snowflakes on Twitter tried to cancel him over his old channel.

[@wallop_9183]

I used to watch his shoe and seek videos when I was little and o had no idea any of this was happening and it breaks my heart to find out about all this

[@theorangedinosaur4098]

Lion maker: I'd didn't date kid Lion maker: I actually did date kid Lion maker: I don't date kid

[@dec6704]

He’s evolving, just backwards

[@alz6889]

@@dec6704 so Original

[@OurflePlays]

Reminds me of the 'I'm not afraid, I am afraid' memes

[@Joshua_b83]

This honestly broke my heart. Lion makers Minecraft hide and seek videos where some of my favorite KZbin videos as a kid and to hear how he went downhill so fast honestly hurt

[@zaym.4903]

Colossaliscrazy nailed this dude and it was the best thing ever.

[@obinoscopekenobi9450]

F for Colossal

[@cosmiceclipse3142]

How tf was this man out of jail for so long? HE LITERALLY POSTED CP

[@nubberton1345]

CP?

[@cozzy6547]

Epic Gamer sexually explicit content involving minors.... use tour imagination.

[@mellowmelly9258]

@@nubberton1345 Child P*rn not super cool stuff

[@_r.munro_8339]

Distribution of Cp should’ve immediately got him sent to prison

[@LeeTESFM14]

How did he post club penguin it got shut down?????

[@iFerg]

Look forward to your content so much brother, keep making these bangers!

[@stubbychief6772]

agreed

[@stubbychief6772]

i love this channel its great glad you like him too

[@rodenpacio1665]

WTH are you doing here :/

[@azpiapi]

YOOOO WASSUP FREG

[@stubbychief6772]

Roden Pacio what he cant watch a video?

[@daybreak3722]

6:23 that part about him uploading the photo is straight DIABOLICAL

[@c_wc8434]

Do team crafted as a whole

[@justkeldon]

It would be cool if he did a video covering individual members then did a final video on team crafted discussing how each of the individuals contributed to the rise and fall.

[@m3atba1l39]

justKeldon yeah I really like how this guy breaks down everything I would want to see a video like that

[@pepebabushki9376]

@@justkeldon yeah that'd be a fitting end to the series, then he could move on to other youtubers.

[@ApplejuiceboxTV]

@xd idontknowname same with jerome

[@momov4060]

@@ApplejuiceboxTV jerome definitely did. He gets 100k views yes, but its not near the same what he used to get. Plus hes barely gaining subs. He hit 5mil subs years ago and still is on that

[@Brevzi]

I can’t believe nobody is talking about LionMaker’s recent livestream

[@brooniegroonie9602]

Ben weible What did he do?

[@aWuIf]

@@brooniegroonie9602 he reacted to this video

[@brooniegroonie9602]

@@aWuIf oh.. Imma look it up Thanks!

[@aWuIf]

@@brooniegroonie9602 np

[@phyllisgoodwin5814]

took him like 10 mins for like 1 minutes

[@Wanking_wanker]

I just looked at his new channel and his comments are full of kids who don’t understand what he has done

[@AlexanderScott66]

No, most of them actually do, they just don't want to keep the controversy going on for longer than need be, unlike people like you

[@renawalsh2649]

@@AlexanderScott66 The guy touches kids and is still making excuses, what else is there to say?

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Shrezzy0 Must love degenerates like lion maker

[@ethanfrey1015]

Nicky h225 yes I noticed that too… I still watch his vids tho cause it brings back so many memories! Ok now y’all gonna hate on me😔 have fun…

[@Raima_Is_Lovely]

@@ethanfrey1015 Its fine if you just watch for the content. Its just Minecraft videos!

[@connorross123]

I like to go back and watch older Sunny vids like this every now and then, they feel weirdly nostalgic for being just over a year old

[@maximusoverload7533]

I believe the biggest reason his channel kept growing is because of people like me who never knew who he was but just enjoyed his content without ever watching anything else.

[@bloodybot9776]

Bro your one of the most underrated you should be having at least 2 million subscribers damn

[@iceicicle3046]

@@tasherxx_ yeah last time I checked he had 40k now its 80k

[@Nosequeshs]

He is Stealing content from a little youtuber names CDUSK look search him up he was the original developer of the downfall serie

[@s1icks294]

Stampy, and his "Helpers" used to be my childhood, including Lee and Lionmaker. Sad to see where he is now.

[@Plooooof]

What'd Lee do?

[@Gameknight-ok8zq]

@@Plooooof People accused Lee of doing what Lionmaker did, but he uploaded a video on KZbin confirming that the accusations were false. Unfortunately, it still ruined his reputation.

[@thelordduck2485]

@@Gameknight-ok8zq I still loved what Lee did in stampys series and glad he didn't do anything wrong

[@monkeydluffy983]

@@Gameknight-ok8zq lee had did pervert things with women. That's what happened. Still not as bad as lionmaker

[@Gameknight-ok8zq]

@@monkeydluffy983 Evidence?

[@astralecho4865]

I watched him as a kid. . . The amount of people watching the video that consumed his content just shows as cautionary tale how badly dangerous the internet is and how any one of us could've been a victim

[@ToonSmart]

i'm loving these downfall videos, really interesting to see what has gone on behid the scenes of these once famous youtubers. keep up the good work!

[@BlakeComer06]

Keemstar is literally the killer of Minecraft KZbinrs

[@bentownsend4017]

They kill themself if they do stuff like that.

[@theperson4yearsago565]

@@bentownsend4017 r/cursedcomments

[@meatilicious1900]

He kills everything

[@bebetterthanthepersonyouwe5857]

Rip gashur vurse

[@jiggy3337]

yeah cause keemstar is the one who made those KZbinrs to be pedophiles. They did it to themselves. Deserved. In my opinion, child engagement/sexual conduct should be punished by death. Its fucking disgusting and we need to set a precedent. Crazy how even in jails the worst of the worst people despise ChoMo's and murder them. Because they are the scum of the earth man.

[@JustDevon]

100k special should be “The Rise of SunnyV2”

[@Nosequeshs]

He just stole the downfall series by a KZbinR by the name of CDUSK

[@huntercool2232]

Lionmaker was my favorite KZbinr as a kid. He was the real reason I got into KZbin in the first place. I made my KZbin account just to subscribe to him. He wasn’t the MOST popular Minecraft KZbinr, but he was fun and his videos always made my day. When he disappeared I was really curious as to what happened to him. I remember searching “What happened to Lionmaker” and finding basically no results at the time. Over a year later I had moved on, but one day I was curious again as to what happened to him so I looked it up and found out what had all happened. I cried like a baby that day and couldn’t shake the feeling that the first KZbinr I looked up to turned out to be a horrible person. Still hurts to this day, but hasn’t changed my passion for KZbin.

[@selcouthwisp5932]

Props to the mom for sticking up for her kid as much as she did. Hope Paige is doing good.

[@KerzacTransformed]

@red racer ah victim blaming.

[@mpgodjr]

@@KerzacTransformed He is right. All parents always say don't speak to strangers on the internet. Also SHE gave her nudes.

[@mpgodjr]

@@ikinoktace1280 that's exactly why it's partly her fault. Yes the pedo takes most of the blame like 90% but she and her parents take the rest. Teenagers have better decision making than you think as well lol.

[@susagean2080]

@@mpgodjr That’s when you delete the contacts and report to a parental figure. That’s called being in possession of child pornography. HE asked for the nudes and ACCEPTED those nudes as an ADULT. The CHILD is not at fault for doing what an authority figure tells her to do since that’s most likely what she was taught to do. Parents normally don’t bring up exceptions until AFTER a situation has occurred.

[@sammy_sand_utubeyt6901]

@red racer there's a reason youngins and teenagers can't consent (except with Romeo and Juliet law). Now that I'm older, I realize I really didn't and couldn't have given consent.

[@infernoferocious7029]

I can't find his channel, welp he's gone 🦀🦀🦀🦀 ⚰ 🕴🏿🕴🏿🕴🏿🕴🏿

[@thegermangal9120]

Good ridden

[@gwynzynoodles2553]

🦀🦀 Lionmaker is gone🦀🦀

[@spacetacos7574]

🕺🕺🕺

[@realspidermangaming1245]

pog

[@carlaorozco1432]

It was terminated

[@rxsOwO]

I remember this happening and I was thinking at the time: “That’s gross, I remember him from stamps videos. Huh”

[@jhnnyrmrz4018]

same

[@Karmy.]

Same

[@hrdstrange3322]

Sad thing is people still watch his stuff granted their all children and probably don’t understand

[@goowoo69420]

Yo same lmfao- I was always a stampy person, i never was intrested in Lionmaker--

[@huntercool2232]

*Sad True Story:* I loved Minecraft videos growing up and loved Minecraft content creators. All my friends would watch bigger creators like Stampy or DanTDM, but I watched LionMaker. He wasn’t as famous or successful, but for some reason I always found his videos entertaining and they made me laugh. In fact he was the first KZbinr I had ever subscribed to when I first made my KZbin Account. I was a massive fan of his growing up and used to think he was the coolest guy ever and wanted to be just liked him. Over the course of a year I saw him slowly change and he almost seemed more and more depressed in his later videos. I remember being worried about him. He then suddenly disappeared completely and Paige took over his channel without any explanation which confused me and others all the more. I tried to research what happened to him, but at the time there was nothing about it. I eventually stopped watching him and his channel, but a few years later I got curious and randomly decided to try again and look up what happened to him. I saw that there was now suddenly an endless amount of information discussing it which had somehow alluded me. I learned the real reason why he disappeared and that he went to prison and when I searched why my stomach turned and my heart sank. The more research I did, the more sick I got when learning about his secret relationship with Paige who I had always known as just his friend *”Paige the Panda.”* I was absolutely gutted learning the truth about his other victims and all the terrible perverted stuff he had done to minors and it absolutely ruined the rest of my day and I’m not lying when I say that I cried actual tears. Despite the fact that I no longer watched him and that he was just a Minecraft KZbinr from my childhood, it was just the fact of knowing that he was the first creator I ever became a fan of and who really got me into Minecraft and KZbin in the first place which traumatized me. I do still love Minecraft and KZbin, but I will never forgive LionMaker for what he did to his all victims and to the people who looked up to him and trusted him. Be careful out there guys, the internet truly can be a dangerous place where predators can hide.

[@sherls918]

He took his name “Lion”maker a little too serious

[@obinoscopekenobi9450]

WHOA THERE

[@sowceitup5547]

Its probably not what you are thinking, but i think by lion, it means he prays on kids like how lions prey on animals

[@sherls918]

@@sowceitup5547 that was what i meant

[@sowceitup5547]

@@sherls918 oh lol

[@shinji_6]

@@sowceitup5547 You got a nice brain 😂

[@yourlocaldeadperson_]

It disgusting that he was an iconic part of my childhood.. i was in shock when i found out what happened and.. its just disgusting.. i have no words..

[@zakkarychuchuru5603]

yeah

[@BruthItzAli2]

same

[@tobiramaisbesthokage]

What is up with my childhood minecrafters being sex offenders (I said pedo at first but someone corrected me)? Like when I heard L for Lee was one I was heart broken and now Lion Maker, what is happening

[@zetokaiba5867]

Seems their brain isn't developed cause they play Minecraft 24/7 instead of going outside or reading a book their stuck with a teenagers mind which might explain why they like underaged...

[@elliotbaines2100]

@@zetokaiba5867 Clearly you played too much Minecraft, because you're writing run-on sentences

[@zetokaiba5867]

@@elliotbaines2100 Hit a nerve eh?

[@brightamiii]

Okay, I’ve completely stopped supporting Lee and I never will again, but he was never a paedophile. He was 16 at the time of everything, and both women were over 18. I’m not excusing it AT ALL, sexual assault is NEVER okay and he was old enough to know EXACTLY what he was doing, but there was some definite misinformation thrown around (mainly by Keem)

[@bananasinfrench]

idk man always be skeptical of individuals who target content towards children. Plenty are totally innocent and just wanna make young people happy, but some of them are there for more nefarious reasons. Be safe out there

[@ColdRush]

dude this is sad to see i remember watching this guy with my friends back when we were kids im 15 now and when we found out he didnt have a channel anymore we obviously didnt know what had happened. it just really sucks, we found out what did happen and i dont think he knew how much of an impact this had on us and many others.

[@christianjones1834]

“Back when we were kids” lol wait to you start paying taxes aka getting robbed by the government homie

[@ColdRush]

@@christianjones1834 huh

[@bumblehoney7206]

He never gave a fuck what impact this would have on his fans *he was doing this to his fans*

[@parentpatrol2752]

I love this series, I always look forward to see them. I appreciate the hard work you put into them, you're definitely going places.

[@colelepper9381]

How does stampy always end up tied in with these?

[@jstyxx4110]

That’s just how popular he was, that’s just how popular he was.

[@J3ss69x]

@@jstyxx4110 yeah

[@turbotastic4753]

He just got caught in the cross fire

[@lainedsyelwah]

@Turbo Tastic maybe, maybe not

[@purplehello98]

He's had an unfortunate tendency to associate with problematic people.

[@kevthepleb]

I'm seeing a pattern I'm these videos that I don't think I like

[@kevthepleb]

If you can't tell. Its them being a pervert

[@nebs6888]

Sky wasn't.

[@sillylittleguyjerry]

@@nebs6888 I'm thankful it wasn't that

[@cianwalsh9630]

@@kevthepleb stampy wasnt

[@kevthepleb]

Thank god Stampy and Sky weren't pervs

[@oxwah]

This is the first time I've heard of this person, yet I was really engaged in the story. Well done!

[@unknownflickz1289]

Im still confused as to how he has a youtube channel with people supporting him

[@Ohhhh955]

AYYY BROOO HES GONE GO CHECK HIS CHANNEL BROO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Pyromanicat]

the people who still support him probably dont know about this stuff or are too young to understand

[@zakkarychuchuru5603]

its dirty bad sh!t

[@Jadelyn_Bella]

@@Pyromanicat like mini ladds remaining 2 1/2 fans

[@squawkthepenguin9492]

Make a “The Rise and Rise of SunnyV2” video

[@Nosequeshs]

He just stole CDUSK content Just like the Downfall series

[@wills.e.e8014]

Gotta give Keem some credit, despite being a "nuisance" for many people. He gives some of the best news and drama to the audience, which imo is "Yellow Journalism" at it's finest.

[@diegomedina9637]

Yeah no matter what happens Keem is just a riot to watch.

[@Sillimant_]

keem is a bit of a prick most of the time, yet in recent years he consistently shows some incredible moral fibre when the chips are down. looking at the interview with the mother and his composure, it's like it's someone else in his body

[@funnyhappystudios]

I first watched his videos back in 2015 and instantly became a public subscriber. I would treat his hide and seek videos like a football game and even create hide and seek maps in hopes that he would play them. But then he completely disappeared, leaving a very long apology video. It took a while for me to fully accept that he wasn’t like his counterpart on the screen. His “body in your face” gags now feel wrong and depressing. I tried watching him again after he returned, but hearing his voice felt different to me. I saw one of his very last livestreams before he permanently disappeared. He was playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and was saying the N word while drunk. It was that moment where I lost hope for him before he passed out on his bed and left the stream running. I stayed because I was having a fun chat with the live chat.

[@alexelsworth7596]

I seem to remember Paige the panda uploading on the old lion maker channel as a favour for him because he wasn’t able to upload himself. Is that just me or did that actually happen!?

[@palemourningrose2463]

Yeah, I remember a few months where it was just her. When I found out about the shit he had done, I left the channel behind and I have not looked back since. Sucks, though. He was a huge part of my childhood.

[@alexelsworth7596]

@@palemourningrose2463 I’m the same, completely abandoned when I was finding out about it, and it was when I came across this video that it all came back. I used to rewatch stamps and squid exploring lion maker park (I think that’s what it’s called) loads when I was younger because I enjoyed those videos so much! It really is a shame about lion maker...

[@starryskies113]

@@palemourningrose2463 why wou;d paige help her abuser

[@mikau1585]

@@starryskies113 abusive relationships are complicated. she was most likely scared or he had some leverage on her or something, poor girl :l

[@nuadha5868]

LionMaker is one of those youtubers I never heard of until the drama popped up, I honestly blame him for what happened with Minecraft in the mid-2010's. I still honestly believe it's his fault for Minecraft's popularity dying, while I am glad Minecraft's popularity has been rising again, I do worry some other scumbag will ruin it for everyone again.

[@arkcliref]

He may had been a part of it. More dramas, and unpopular updates further bring Minecraft into irrelevancy.

[@annettemaldonado3373]

I think that if the rabid Dream stans and the toxic redditors who would kill someone for playing Fortnite once in 2018 continue, Minecraft will become "cringe" and "irrelevant" again, like it used to be back in 2016.

[@wicked_wizard]

Really glad I subbed, Sunny. You'll be booming in no time with this content and the effort you put into it

[@snuskieVT]

As someone who had gone through the same thing for a few years with a Twitch streamer that later fled the internet, I'm extremely glad he was called out in the end, and I _really_ wish the best for Paige.

[@MasterGordon5115]

Which Twitch streamer you talking about?

[@snuskieVT]

@@MasterGordon5115 He still tries to catch things that call him out, so I'd rather not say. He wasn't _extremely_ popular by any means, so it's nothing worth worrying about.

[@MasterGordon5115]

@@snuskieVT You better DM SunnyV2 and another few people like Keemstar, SomeOrdinaryGamers about it. If he's still tryna harass you or something, they know what to do

[@embedyt]

every episode of the downfall of a Minecraft KZbin contains keemstar

[@L0tss]

lmao i remember some kid i played with faked being lionmaker. i wonder how he feels now.

[@stubbychief6772]

plot twist he was lion maker trying to seduce yoy

[@L0tss]

@@stubbychief6772 hell nah man he was definitely younger than me, his impression was terrible and all my friends just laughed at him when I invited them to an Xbox party with him.

[@koeyheaj7495]

L0tss maybe that was apart of his disguise he wanted to be sneaky to steal your nudes

[@felwinterslie8223]

Voice changers?

[@DuffyLONER64]

Finding out LionMaker was a creep was honestly a huge blow to me at the time. I used to obsessed with videos and the storyline he produced, and even got my mom hooked on it (her favorite part of the series being Lyla, Lion's love interest). He was also the one of the main reasons he got me into playing Minecraft survival.

[@bensteed750]

age of mythology background music?!?! dude subbed, love this !

[@grace6196]

this is is so heartbreaking.. he inspired me so much as a kid

[@elyxur4726]

For real

[@veravega9965]

His Hide N Seek videos bring back so much nostalgia 😲

[@pigogriff]

True, ngl I thought he was scar

[@ComradeCringe]

Holy crap yes

[@Tisserande]

Yeah

[@zitronensaaft3454]

yeah, it's really disappointing he's such a manipulative, disgusting, person.

[@extramagnus4528]

@@zitronensaaft3454 "manipulative" im sick of that word being overused nowadays😂

[@shapshapshapshap2829]

This is actually the first time I’m hearing of this, I remember watching his content when I was younger, I really enjoyed the hide and seek videos. I never remembered the name of his channel, and I just lost interest after awhile. I once tried to find him later on cause I was curious what he was doing now but couldn’t find him. but this is hard to take in, someone I enjoyed so much just turns out to be like this??? Welp, don’t meet your hero’s guys

[@gibran6190]

The “dear friend” video is one of the funniest videos I’ve ever seen.

[@lilzmd916]

the fact that he replied to your comment and got triggered lmaoo

[@TheArtistTreee]

Almost every youtubers' downfalls involves a bearded gnome talking about it.

[@Lichtrap75]

Is there a single gnome that isn’t bearded?

[@someantisocialkidwithayout8828]

Keemstars a douchebag, but I respect his work

[@bentownsend4017]

As much as I dislike him, it's not Keemstar. He killed his own channel.

[@lechinchilem6195]

@@bentownsend4017 I think they meant that he uses drama alert clips for every downfall video

[@bentownsend4017]

And what I'm saying is that it's not keem that is responsible for their downfall, they make the decision to be a child predator themself.

[@JODRecaps]

Lionmaker bad

[@zobrymanga289]

Oi, didn't see you in a long time

[@hx2975]

I forgot about you

[@osomister]

Short but sweet

[@vaudeville-villain]

JODisGOD my man has almost 250k subs but can’t even break above 5k views per video. Ouch.

[@Frostgod02321]

I watched this guy soo much as a kid it is just soo sad to see what ytbers are like I am just sad 😔

[@MythicBeanProductions]

It's not KZbinrs. It's sick, twisted people who are using their influence for things like this

[@nene1397]

Doctor has giving me 14:11 to live. Would just like to say great video Sunny, sorry I couldn't watch it all.

[@not7170]

Bruh

[@nene1397]

@@not7170 I knew that would've gotten a "Bruh" 😂

[@nene1397]

@@Fortniteloverepic *Replies in dead*

[@PierceMyGuy]

👁👄👁

[@calebcrouch6133]

Wow the age of mythology music is so nostalgic.

[@ssbkri]

prostagma

[@SunnyV2]

Etimos

[@jasonbergman5781]

malista

[@Huntsrelics]

Yes I have all the age of empires games, yes I am a nerd and that is cool.

[@alejandroospina5444]

Fritomos

[@sidthesloth9411]

When I heard what he did I was so heartbroken. He was one of my hero's as a kid and someone I loved to watch. I was disgusted by what he did and it hurt so bad to hear.

[@cutegirll123]

its sad how 9 yo me was obsessed with his videos and brought me to comfort to find out how he ended up

[@hekope6912]

All these old drama videos you make are so nostalgic in a sense. I remember watching this particular drama unfold when I was like 13-14

[@evemears462]

Lion maker was my favourite youtuber for ages - I even have a figure of him - I forget about him for about 3 years - now I feel so sorry for paige and hope that shes ok

[@brianrory726]

Omg he was my favourite KZbin when I was a kid. I just checked back to see if he was still doing yt and wow

[@SummerDawn1245]

Sunny: *Talking in-depth about Lionmaker* Me: *Vibing to the Age of Mythology music*

[@illuminosis6823]

Yessir

[@CamGlamorous]

The Minecraft community and the beauty community are falling apart

[@Istrianprincess]

J ui cause everyone in it is dramatic and has problems

[@leviathanswarm1565]

Well, at least the Hermitcraft youtubers are still going strong!

[@temha_0]

Damn, it's sad to see these popular KZbinrs and streamers, falling down from their grace. But legends have it: the higher you fly, the deeper you fall. Or something like that.

[@Tellypoof]

I cant believe me and my cousins use to watch this guy. Makes me sick

[@nebulouzz5597]

same

[@badbokyyt645]

Same

[@miloticoreo48]

Atleast ive never known that guy

[@fydamara]

Me too bro

[@gunthuroce572]

Same

[@garrisonsisk4374]

I remember loving his videos when I was in like the 4th grade. I'm a Sophomore now and it's so damn strange to think I enjoyed watching someone like that.

[@lebarondevalois605]

so did I

[@ivanneochenjun9628]

When i was young he said he stopped for holiday...

[@liminalitea1929]

When I was a kid I said "I want to be friends with lionmaker and make videos when I'm 16" I'm 16 now. This information still makes me sick.

[@creo2290]

I remember watching him when I was younger and I honestly had no idea and am so surprised about what happened to him. I never could of guessed he would have done things like this.

[@fryguy87]

I only just found out about this through another video not too long ago, but it still hurts seeing someone I've looked up to for so long stoop so low. To this day, however, his hide and seek videos still have a special place in my childhood. It IS possible to separate the artist from their work, you know.

[@Ellie-fn9cz]

What point r u trying to make ?? Just bc he was apart of ur childhood doesn’t make him a terrible person

[@aaron1fy389]

He uploaded a reaction to this , I haven't seen it but the like 2 dislike ratio kinda speaks for itself.

[@bewearstar9462]

I'm 91% sure here is lieing

[@armlessleafy60]

@@bewearstar9462 lying*

[@Dylan-xx2tk]

I remember when this was all going down years ago... feels like a trip down memory lane, despite only happening about three to four years ago.

[@Kawbrah]

To think that we actually enjoyed his videos...

[@iceicicle3046]

@shegorath same but I dont thin kthe or she was talking about us

[@teaganashmore1971]

I used to watch him. I had no idea what he did.