The EASY way to improve your SPEAKING skills || All about chorusing || Refold Tutorials

[@Moni633-00]

Wow! I tried shadowing, and I couldn’t do it for long periods, so I started chorusing and recording myself without knowing that it was method. It’s nice to know that chorusing is a thing. Thanks for the videos!

[@Shka_maru]

Chorusing is great! I wish more people knew about it. Just curious, why no shoutout or recognition to the Swedish linguist who came up with the method? For those wondering, it is Olle Kjellin and you can find his research paper online. Goes a more in depth as to how the method works and the processes at play.

[@theo7049]

Because Refold loves to claim everything as their own.

[@haroldgoodman130]

Refold is a scam that refuses to give credit to anyone else that teaches language. They are the only way to learn a language, if you fall for their propaganda. Chorusing has nothing to do with them but they claim it.

[@exponentzero]

I saw Lamont on DFNS use audacity while shadowing in one of his recent videos. I think he gave Refold a shout-out. Anyway I was wondering how he was using the program so thanks very much for explaining this along with the macros. If you ever want to do more listening comprehension/speaking/pronunciation videos, I think you'll be helping a lot of people.🤓

[@PaleoalexPicturesLtd]

Literally singing with native speakers was huge in improving my pronunciation :-)

[@TheWishDragon]

Thanks for sharing the macros, they'll definately come in handy!

[@thoughtfulsapien1235]

This is great! I've used audacity to chorus before. But learned some new tricks and shortcuts here!!

[@nataliecuts]

Did you ever end up making a mobile ap video ?

[@loveloreal]

Nice! What mic with that feature is suggested?

[@Refold]

It's a pretty standard feature for any good mic. I don't honestly have any specific recommendations. Look for one with a headphone output and "direct monitor."

[@jonamachado]

I wish we have a option to do all that totally on mobile.

[@Lauren-zc5ox]

For Ben or anyone who has used this method. Is what is sounds like in the video at 1:20 what he is hearing in his ear? Another question if you use the parroting technique instead: after recording yourself after the native audio instead on top of, would you then use audacity to lay the audio of your voice on top of the audio you were mimicking so it matches at closely as possible? For comparison purposes? Parroting appeals to me more because speaking on top of audio like in chorusing or shadowing is overwhelming and distracting for me personally.

[@Refold]

Yep! That's what I was hearing. Which is actually why I was whispering... I didn't have my levels set up right and couldn't hear the audio when I spoke any louder... It's a lot easier when you don't have to speak like there's a baby sleeping in the other room 😛 And for parroting, I do like to "match them up." Like you said, it does make them easier to analyze since you can hear the "dissonance." But I also recommend you try it out and see what works for you! - Ben

[@paulwalther5237]

I thought this was just a form of shadowing. I did this but without the mic setup using Anki and just earphones on my iPhone with the Japanese Core 6k/10k deck which has professional voice actors reading the sentences. I was obsessed with trying to improve how my Japanese sounded because people kept speaking English to me instead of Japanese. Do this over and over for weeks and weeks and it feels like it’s changing your brain or something. In my case though, it seemed like it improved my Japanese temporarily - for about an hour 😂. It may have had more lasting effects too though and maybe if I had the mic setup it would be more effective. I found the activity pretty enjoyable but also exhausting.

[@exponentzero]

"people kept speaking English to me instead of Japanese" This might have nothing whatsoever to do with your Japanese. It's a common phenomenon many people have experienced, even those with high level proficiency. Nevertheless, it's always good to try to improve. For what it's worth my experience with shadowing is similar to yours, except my improvement lasts only as long as the recording I'm shadowing 🤣

[@paulwalther5237]

@@exponentzero it’s a complicated phenomenon. Anyone learning English may just be excited by a chance to speak English and I’m not just a foreigner but an American. My Asian friends didn’t have this issue at all. Everyone wanted to speak Japanese with them. I do think my pronunciation used to be much worse though and somewhere along the way it got better and it plays a role but if they’re excited to finally speak English I don’t know if it matters how well I speak Japanese.

[@fastforward2148]

Please do a video about shadowing on mobile, iPhone and/or iPad.

[@journeytosrpski7215]

Seems like KZbin shorts would be perfect for this

[@nsevv]

I think you have to do it backwards 3 times to summon the Demon of Langue

[@bobfranklin2572]

Everyday refold gets closer and closer to the tradition language learning AJATT was supposed to oppose

[@austinchariker5108]

Chorusing has been around since Matt was still a part of refold, and is supposed to be used during stage 3 when you start speaking. You have to practice speaking eventually, and this is just one of the tools to get your speaking up to speed.

[@bobfranklin2572]

@austinchariker5108 oh i wasnt talking about matt or even chorusing as a tool. Just the general vibe from refold. Then again, its still an absolute clusterf*ck setting up the myriad tools needed to have any kind of efficient immersion and card creation workflow

[@321MrMateus]

True

[@marianorequejo5644]

I believe they stole this exercise from the mimic method. It's called flow-verlappin of something like that😅

[@exponentzero]

@@marianorequejo5644 Scientific language learning methods ultimately derive from the unsung genius Paul Pimsleur. He revolutionized language listening and acquisition by developing the Listening Centre with Bell Telephone. Pimsleur had difficulty monetizing his method and eventually "gave" his program away. He died aged 48.