The Evil Crimes of Volkswagen

[@MagnatesMedia]

Hey legends, hope you find this one as interesting as I did. Chapter 2 gets dark and is something that isn’t very well known, so I’ve added sources in description if you wanna dig further into that. Also just wanna stress that Volkswagen of today should not be judged on what occurred pre-1945. 💸 Earn a full-time income creating videos about whatever you’re interested in (MagnatesMedia KZbin Course): magnatesmedia.com Thanks to Kajabi for sponsoring. Kajabi is offering a 30-day FREE trial to start your own business if you use my link: kajabi.com/magnates

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[@mein3324]

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[@popcornpizza8869]

Luv u

[@Axecarter91]

Never ask a man his salary Never ask a woman her age Never ask a German company where they were during WW2

[@RanDom-if2ee]

Fr

[@namrehtv2746]

Never ask pol-pot what he did to kampuchea at 1975-1979 edit : no offence

[@peppitachips1764]

Never ask why Texas fought the Alamo

[@JasperMoerland]

ok this is very funny!

[@Jason-un9ps]

​@@namrehtv2746Yeah! A.. a.. and never ask a chicken why it crossed the road!

[@bPOTATO]

i got a Volkswagen ad on this video🤣

[@ThatCroat-oy1bg]

"yea lets just forget about this"

[@Potent_Techmology]

Germans have hated Poles, Slavs, and Slavic Jews for centuries. WWII was a continuation of Germanization of Slavic land.

[@Sadorisgod]

😂😂😂

[@Zatote]

Was it the one that said "from beelin to warsaw in ome tank"

[@gregfrost8808]

same here

[@BizVoyages]

The quality level of this video is superb! This video really shows that big companies like Volkswagen need to play fair and be honest. It's super important that they do the right thing, just like everyone else.

[@ewksii]

The video literally showed the opposite. The company was working with the Nazis and committed fraud by lying for years cheating emission tests and they survived both of these cases of dishonesty which gives the conclusion that big companies cheat and don't have to be honest to achieve success

[@denis2381]

You mean the quality is Skoda Superb :D

[@macitako]

@@denis2381Man, I wanted to make that joke.

[@denis2381]

@@macitako the early worm catches the bird 🐦

[@macitako]

@@denis2381 The late worm doesn't get eaten by the bird

[@johnecker4217]

In 1970 I was 8yrs old and my mom bought a black VW Station Wagon with a manual 4 transmission. And the first time driving it my mother picked up my Aunt Chris to go shopping. When my mom tried to back out of the parking space she could not get the car into reverse. So after we all pushed the car backwards she had to go back to the car dealership so they could show her how to get the shifter into reverse. The mechanic showed her that when shifting into reverse she had to pull up on the shifter while moving the shifter to the left and up to the right. The mechanic said that VW designed it this way so people wouldn't accidentally put the shifter into 1st gear. Back when I was 8yrs old I thought that was fascinating I guess because I was only 8yrs old and didn't know anything. I use to sit in the back with no seat belt what so ever. I don't know why I'm sharing this information now, I guess watching this EXCELLENTLY DONE VIDEO brought back some great memories of my youth now that I'm in my Sixties 😊. Boy oh Boy does time fly by 😐

[@davidcaprio8919]

They were called Square Backs, we had a Tan 1970. My father had a 1963 Beetle. A 1977 Rabbit replaced the Square back, followed by more VWs, my 1st was a 1982 Rabbit

[@FertilityCoachGeraldMassa]

THANKS FOR SHARING

[@Potent_Techmology]

Germans have hated Poles, Slavs, and Slavic Jews for centuries. WWII was a continuation of Germanization of Slavic land.

[@Anonimusinutub]

You still alive man?

[@t.y593]

My dad was born in 1971...u r a grandpa😂

[@pkkigathi]

No big company gets where they are without playing rough

[@meffle2]

but "playing rough" usually doesn't mean killing children, you know

[@crewrangergaming9582]

Well, I would generally say something like "They were living in a time where they had to support a controversial figure today" but in no way supporting Adolf Hitler meant they had to kill babies. That is beyond any crime. Mass murdering babies. That's not even playing it rough.

[@cooldude2794]

@@meffle2 it actually does one way or another

[@delskif1425]

Nestle ​@@meffle2

[@1738-l1j]

@@Blackhomeking12 word?

[@Andre3002]

Ive got a 1962 bug. It was passed down to me by my Dad. My uncle also has been fixing bugs and buses since he got back from Vietnam. The company does have a terrible history but each generation of men in my family has learned the fundamentals of mechanics working on them. And many families around the world share this experience. Volkswagen has undoubtedly committed atrocities but theyve also done a lot of good for the world. Because of that, its hard to judge them differently from any other car company.

[@Victimesty]

Cars have done good. Not the company. The company didn't give them to your family, they just sold them for the biggest profit. I learned how to cook on Mora stove, I am not giving Mora credit for feeding my family.

[@keithgood2387]

I like your comment and besides Chevy cheated and introduced leaded gasoline, which literally poisoned the baby boomers

[@epicchess2021]

Such unimaginable cruelty during WW2. Stories like the VW Kinderheim absolutely break your heart

[@GeeEm1313]

I was floored and freaked out. I just can't..

[@Jeremy-yh8lv]

There’s definitely a special place in Hell for those who ran the Kinderheim.

[@cabdriver4103]

Much like fanta, Hugo boss, Ford industries, the Bush family. On and on, what about operation paperclip, the origins of NASA, funny, what about Volkswagen altering climate, in Mexico they were sued, buy farmers for altering, hail storms, preventing weather to water crops. Nothing new here, nothing to see..

[@nygelmiller5293]

To E p I c c h e s s .. From a reverse point of view, just as environmentalists have turned many things around - later generations have claimed Volkswagen for the people of today. Just as companies used to poison animals with their cosmetics, to make them "safe", people today don't look to do things that way! But of course you always do still need to keep a look out for anything suspicious, in all manner of things!

[@FLOYD610]

Ate you guys interested in business model of tesla

[@muhammadabsarupwork]

John D. Rockerfeller's documentary was something else- that was a masterpice!

[@Potent_Techmology]

Germans have hated Poles, Slavs, and Slavic Jews for centuries. WWII was a continuation of Germanization of Slavic land.

[@BondJFK]

Don't spread misinformation about my family

[@thestonegateroadrunner7305]

You failed to mention that Ford, GM, Chrysler, Mercedes and BMW also used unauthorized systems to manipulate emissions and were also punished for it. It wasn't Volkswagen alone, it was the entire global auto industry, Volkswagen was just the first manufacturer where it was discovered.

[@simonf8490]

The Nissan Renault group also got done with emissions cheating software.

[@gregrobsn]

And don't forget Toyota.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Yes! People hate VW just because it was sadly created by the funny mustache man

[@thestonegateroadrunner7305]

@@gabrielv.4358 BS! Nobody hates VW. It's one of the most popular car brands globally.

[@emmareporter4324]

don't forget the news of cummins just now doing this.

[@Dionis0730]

The part with the VW kindergarden was... difficult to go through. That was beyond evil and it really happened. This pissed me off and I am viewing it from 80 years in the future. Cannot even fathom how the victims or the public at the time felt about it.

[@justinrohomon979]

I'm never buying a VW product ever again based on that alone, nevermind their present crimes. Something seems to be inherently wrong with germans lol

[@NiceGambia]

I cannot emerging the level of professionalism that goes into this video. From the story, the voice and the editing. This is a masterpiece. 😮

[@khalidlams222]

I took a break from social media, by that I mean everything. I just logged back in with my account, I see the title, I'm interested, I click and watch...boy oh boy have you improved!!! You've upped the notch. Perfect video

[@gabrielv.4358]

AI Generated images, very professional

[@AnimalsKevin]

​@@gabrielv.4358so you mean this video is AI generated?

[@blazzz13]

@@gabrielv.4358 If it's so easy where's your million subscribers?

[@alexlindgren5047]

No, it's full of false facts.

[@mrbananasplitman7]

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[@EditorHeart]

Great 👍

[@dmacrolens]

Netflix? Simp.

[@brelade]

@@dmacrolensbro? 😂

[@me0101001000]

@@dmacrolens mate, do you even know what 'simp' means? Or did you just hear it once and use it as a universal insult?

[@itachi1145]

So I think there's a misunderstanding about the ownership structure of the porche/vw merger. The porche holding group, the hedgfund company owns vw. They also purchased vw, and then sold Porche-Automobili (the company that makes the cars) to vw afterwards to pay for the debt they acquired buying vw. Porche holdings owns vw, and vw owns porche automotive.

[@gregrobsn]

And that way no one is responsible for anything! 😅

[@e28forever30]

What is “porche”?

[@mojabaka]

Source? Because German Wikipedia says the opposite: „Im März 2011 erwarb die Volkswagen AG schließlich die Porsche Holding GmbH für einen Kaufpreis von 3,3 Milliarden Euro. Über die börsennotierte Beteiligungsgesellschaft, die Porsche Automobil Holding SE, sind die Familien Porsche und Piëch über die Stimmrechtsmehrheit mittelbar an der Volkswagen AG beteiligt.“ Basically Volkswagen bought Porsche Holding for 3,3 billion and the Porsche family has some voting shares in Volkswagen but that‘s it.

[@DblTap317]

​@@e28forever30 type of car

[@e28forever30]

@@DblTap317 No, that would be: hatchback, saloon, coupe, etc. Those are types of cars.

[@RaahimFahd]

Its amazing just how much detail and interesting this guy makes videos in under 30 mins. Superb!

[@veroxima9251]

you aren’t getting enough views for the work you put in my friend this is amazing

[@me0101001000]

Dude got shafted after the Edson debacle. I'm glad he's making a recovery.

[@HarkeG]

In 22hr 80k views I would say decent. Veroxima just talks bs

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@@me0101001000What did he do?

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The intro was so good that it got me hooked up! Even into the first few seconds I knew this would be a banger like always! your content has it's own standards you are genuinely blessing youtube with such high quality videos..

[@leobestbote4244]

Each time my notification bar highlights a Magnets media video, I don't even look at the title I just click and the rest is pure entertainment!!!

[@thedopestshow5504]

Kinderheim is pure entertainment🤔📸😂

[@nannimwuyep]

I really want to witness your editing process. Truly magnificent.

[@HarrietThugman]

Wow such atrocities. I don’t understand how this could happen. Poor babies man 😢

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[@Vipex_134]

With chanels making history videos such as this, Sunny or any other, the main key to success is talking so nicely. Bravo to this.

[@Costalzz]

This is so high quality and deserves more views.

[@justinv3080]

I already know the story but am definitely interested in hearing your take

[@Hans-v8v]

Great video! A little criticism... not 100% sure tough. There is a big difference between Porsche AG and Porsche Holding. The Porsche that bought the VW stake and held the debt was the Porsche Holding. Then the Porsche Holding sold The Porsche AG (factory etc.) to VW (which they now had a massive stake in) to be able to afford the debt they had taken on. Also, they never got to 75% stake because they sold a bunch of VW stock during the short squeeze for a quick and big profit. So after everything, Porsche Holding owned a lot of VW. But VW again owned Porsche AG which most people would recognize as Porsche.

[@gabrielv.4358]

yes

[@PierceJPeterson]

These videos are always so well made

[@InsPage-nl4rn]

One of the Best Editing i have ever seen. I came here because one of job proposal on upwork had the link as a sample and Brother that blew my mind the amount of detailing and what not. Honestly speaking im just starting in the way of being a Professional Video Editor and this video got me goosebumps. Now i know i gotta hell of work to do. Love your Content. Enjoyed it to the core. Just1 Question How Long?? How long did you invested in terms of Hours in this Video. PLease if you reply to this it would be of great help.

[@Gandharpn]

If a Nazi officer says conditions are appalling i dont even want to imagine what the condition was.

[@Immortal..]

Apparently not bad enough for the mothers to take their children back or refuse to place them there

[@JokeJunction_haha]

They were scaared​@@Immortal..

[@Adilein1982]

I love your videos. So interesting, so well created. Always happy when I see you released a new one! Thank you very much for the work you do!!

[@Claudiaaliru]

Wow, finally I have been looking forward to a video this week 🎉❤

[@moustafaharake4445]

All major big companies around the world have some forms of worker rights violations or even human rights violations, you should see what the big tech companies are doing…

[@RanDom-if2ee]

Very true, and he alr knows that

[@TheMILVSCR]

It's honestly crazy that they went from terrible things like Kinderheim to owning a major portion of the current car makers. I watched a Carwow video where Mat put a Lamborghini Urus on a car lift and showed how many parts are actually labeled Audi. I also think that having all those car makers kept VW alive after the huge TDI issue they went through.

[@youtubetim3577]

These videos are so top notch.

[@louisfkoorts5590]

Correction... "Not Tops"

[@melissasabie722]

I was just looking at old horse trailers to redo and one made by VW was 16” by 6.6 feet and 6 feet wide .. who made those measurements?! I knew something was off so thank you for confirming my gut instinct !

[@KavsVideo]

The US government has been trying to eliminate diesel cars from the market since the early 2000s, mainly because US manufacturers couldn’t compete with the TDI, the system which they used to get around US was also the systems giving those car 55-60 mpg. I remember when everyone had a choice between giving it back or having it detuned. Most of my family went with having it detuned, thank god for tuning company’s making software so that 55mpg is still achievable today

[@e-curb]

There was s third choice: don't do anything.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

Shonky VW diesels,, everyone should have been put off the roads world wide. And THEN VW hit with massive fines putting them out of business. We will not talk about useless semi auto gearboxes that get lemon awards. But VW is a fine German company,,, fine German crooks that have made some very bad cars since the 30s.

[@vexal3393]

Daduq, even the Nazis were like "this is kinda fucked up"... Damn bro

[@barnkhan]

The harmless looking beetle that GASSED MONKES YOOOOOOOOO WTF great video

[@LBoybugman]

Watching this in Germany and this is so informative. Keep crushing the videos👍

[@itaysharir]

Holy shit, huge props to the editors 👏

[@omereonyemoses2085]

I love your story telling they’re so intriguing

[@Labadienaa]

MagnatesMedia is the best youtube chanel hands down

[@culturedivined]

always amazing job! hope you can do a video on MARS or more on Nestle food companies, would be really interesting

[@rosha3887]

he made on on Nestle already, sort his videos by most popular and it’s near the top

[@culturedivined]

@@rosha3887 i know thats why i said more nestle videos :)

[@AnonimitySmith]

Fantastic job with this. I had no idea about the kinder-care

[@vee_e3e196]

After watching this I don’t wana buy anything from VW. These videos deserve billions of views.

[@gabrielquinones3343]

I still have bought of a volswagon

[@averagelithuanian]

nah, I will now specifically be buying cars from volkswagen

[@jimmythetulip1988]

Always excited to see what’s next…. Another great video 👏🏼👏🏼

[@zunkhoy]

when is your course available? it‘s been a month since you posted this video already

[@Ùmmytantsi]

I just love your documentaries. From the way you edit to the way you present them❤🎉

[@strategyscape]

Basically, the base and the beginning of the business were founded on 'force' and 'blood'. This is what we could expect at the time, not just from this company, but from many companies which had the same beginning.

[@mysteryrelive]

The level of editing is sooo impressive, every single video is like watching a movie.

[@RanDom-if2ee]

For real!

[@louie480]

Keep up the long videos bud 🎉👍🏼I love your videos

[@SteveDCM]

You know it’s a good day with magnates does

[@reubenxblow]

A goodnight in South Africa but yeah, I couldn't agree more🤭

[@SYNTAAAX]

I love how even though you edited your comment there’s still typos lol

[@danielcunningham6727]

​@@SYNTAAAX I also remember my first time being drunk 😂

[@SteveDCM]

@@danielcunningham6727 I’m 15 bruv

[@opensource32]

But it's night here

[@gamemaster7164]

hey is the video editing course ready?

[@GameOverAus]

So much research and so well presented. Well done sir

[@demorbe-official]

Been waiting for this video like forever

[@nickgibb4687]

for ever?

[@ald7282]

listening to this in my jetta is certainly an interesting experience

[@mssb1983]

Where have you gone, been waiting for a new vid for a while now

[@katerachelbooth]

Getting excited for the next upload love your video's so interesting.

[@Hemi.484]

Can we appreciate bros editing skills😩

[@VikingDudee]

You know after watching this, I'll never look the original VW beetle the same way again.

[@MunnaBhai69420]

love your documentaries 👏

[@HaveanOreshnik]

Much love to you from Russia, Free Palestine from the clutches of the evil Zionist

[@britishairwaysinfinity]

Why do you not make armored vehicles anymore? Volkswagen: long story

[@PenthaGastock]

thank you for making me love my VW even more

[@Suncoast_Samurai]

Wut?

[@HollywoodHornet]

Same.

[@mrvolkswagon1710]

Top video, enjoyed it along with your other vids such as the Lego one. People always forget just about every other car manufacturer had the emission cheat devices fitted but the media never blow that up as they did with vw. Strange

[@mrvolkswagon1710]

And when I say other manufacturers I don’t mean other brands in the vw ownership, I’m meaning the likes of Nissan etc

[@8BitWags]

Your video's are FIRE. Really appreciate your content sir 🥳

[@martincarson3578]

My dude I don't tend to comment on videos but you will definitely be my go to between audible credits for my commute!

[@NikolaGruevski-h9f]

Where have you gone magnates

[@UPGRADMINDSET]

Which video editing software do you use to produce your videos?

[@bitlifegameplay]

You definitely need a podcast

[@aiobio.]

This is where car guys and history enthusiasts meet

[@ulyssesdiaz1913]

Those defeat devices they installed was based asf

[@ProbLemChiLd1983]

The algorithm advertises videos based on how many click on it and how many stay watching till the end, bonus points if a viewer watches another video from the channel right after. So this is the hack for appeasing the algorithm God, which this creator definitely knows: Emotive word in title as we don't respond as well to information videos, excellent thumbnail, tell a story that keeps the viewer hooked till the end by stating that the end promises something you won't get from just viewing half of it, emotive music and great editing keeping the viewer entertained by continually switching and showing many clips so attention is held.

[@grassdungeon8433]

Everybody realizes yes there are tactics used to engage viewers, but choose to watch it because it’s interesting and we want to know the events that happened. We aren’t toddlers stimulated by colors being tricked lmao

[@stefantsarev4442]

Awesome video! Could we get a video on Aristotle Onassis?

[@johanbobin4712]

That's why I call my golf station wagon, The Panzer😂😂😂

[@bearlogg7974]

The biggest brands were either playing both sides or on the german side

[@Revien81]

bro i really like how you explain information and things also your videos are very interesting that i cant seem to leave, can you make a video about adolf hitter this time? like his story from how he got to power and then how he unalived himself because he saw that Germany lost hope of winning?

[@hansutrecht6555]

Your story about the flat wagons in relation to the VW bus is not correct and not true. The initial drawings for the VW bus were made by the Dutch VW importer Ben Pon in April 1947 and not by the British occupying power.

[@kinghotdog903_send2]

Womp womp

[@OmeG33rt]

Dutch ar3 the best

[@hulleciiibowsz1214]

The funky fresh is back in the flesh with a vengeance holmes ! :D your videos are just mesmerizing Brother lets goo !!

[@seandaboizz01]

Magnates you are gone for already a month come back pls 😢

[@jumpnjack808]

another fantastic video... AMAZING.... Thank you

[@THEBULLETPROOFKINGDOM]

This video is a long time coming...and I'm glad MagnatesMedia did it. I predicted they'll make it and they did not disappoint, great job! P.S. Can you make the thumbnail more impactful than just "Shady Car Mechanic Hitler"?

[@mitybosinzinerija]

Thanks for video!

[@tadiwanashechikanya9712]

I can't imagine a company worse than nettle

[@Talonidas7403]

google "krupp slave labor"

[@drsunilreddyk]

I guess.You’re kinda right but VW is bad as nestle

[@drsunilreddyk]

In WW2 not now,ok!

[@Talonidas7403]

@@drsunilreddyk Not now because they died in 1999

[@Isaac-X-edit]

I've been waiting 🤳 for magnatesmedia 🔔

[@thaddnarrative]

Hey John why havent you posted a video in over a month, kindly drop what you are cooking....I draw a lot of inspiration from your documentaries💗💯

[@HixStories1]

There's a say that goes by, you either die early a hero or live long enough to be a villain.

[@markarca6360]

Also worth noting is the Dieselgate, where engineering students from the University of West Virginia discovered that VW TDI engines emit more pollutants outside the lab. It was featured in 60 Minutes Australia, titled "Das Liars".

[@josie_99]

Did you… did you watch the video…?

[@KlodFather]

This is only the tip of the iceburg. Bosch made the fuel injection system and also built a system for Chrysler who used it in their jeeps and trucks to do that same thing for their diesels. (not the cummins) My guess is that this software patch to make the cars run better and give them better fuel economy and slack a little on the emissions was the brainchild or creation of Bosch engineers... But I cannot prove this... But the two were done on very similar systems controlling those engines.

[@gabrielv.4358]

@@KlodFather Nice to know not only my favorite car brand is sketchy, nice!

[@kristoffer3000]

@@gabrielv.4358 Wow, you must have incredibly low standards if Chrysler is your favourite car company, sheesh.

[@abin.3402]

Hey there, I love your videos and your storytelling is on another level! It would be so great if you could cover the story of Dupont and the chilling PFOA scandal that they tried to burry. It took the lawyer Tom Bilott about 16 years to bring DuPont to justice. I just watched the movie Dark Waters and it is a chilling but true story...

[@cal6311]

No wonder my 2023 audi a6 looks like the front of a Volkswagen. I never knew they owned Audi until now thanks for this video.

[@nickgibb4687]

well your late to the game

[@djtrankilo231]

Hard to believe that a company known to produce inexpensive vehicles own a line of expensive luxury vehicles.

[@SalamHerbs-db5nt]

😂😂😂😂 Acura is to Honda what Audi is to VW

[@burnsZY85]

A lot of their cars from different makes share some similarities.

[@nickgibb4687]

thanks Captian Obvious @@burnsZY85

[@gerekappo]

I have a book lended by my father in law, O Homem Volkswagen, i didnt have the guts to read it yet, this video is just confirming everything for me.

[@gerekappo]

And some think that what VW did with the diesel in the last few years was an scandal....

[@cocomaster3755]

Rip Diesel Gate. Best running era of diesel cars power to fuel economy.

[@danemclaren5678]

I drive a pre dieselgate tdi and it’s amazing

[@sunsetgarage755]

Not difficult or expensive to get any modern diesel engine remapped for more power and economy. It’s also not illegal so there’s no reason not to. If you really want to save the planet then sell your cars & walk everywhere, knowing that your billionth percentile less carbon emissions is doing nothing.

[@spidergoose891]

I just took all that crap out and get 55-75 mpg

[@gladpilot7221]

Ive been waiting for this video 😃

[@Dennis_MK]

Do a documentary on Samsung please😁😁

[@hi-qp9zs]

He did already!

[@PursuitofMind]

that was amazing bro

[@360twoYT]

It’s been a month since we heard from him

[@LightSaber12345]

A month and a half. He might be dead. Anything on his social media accounts?

[@360twoYT]

@@LightSaber12345 or he’s taking a break or just cooking up something big

[@LightSaber12345]

@@360twoYT he hasn't posted anything anywhere since this video

[@360twoYT]

@@LightSaber12345 true

[@abuchaa]

Love theses videos. Excellent research.

[@OliverCheers]

day 5 of asking for the walt disney story, would look awsome in your style

[@azurplex]

24:44 "You have six fingers on your right hand. Someone is looking for you."

[@ucan1]

⚠️The Nestlē baby milk scandal remains the most horrifying and inhuman story in the history of mankind.

[@phoenix72999]

True, but that doesn't make anything less terrible ok

[@ucan1]

@@phoenix72999 You're definitely right 😊

[@mattmatt4958]

Love your videos man good job

[@FRUKARL]

About to find out if I will start looking at my cherished VW Beetle differently.😅

[@roshill2010]

So how differently you looking at it now 😂

[@FRUKARL]

@@roshill2010 Still an iconic car😃 though, but the stats of the death of the children got me thinking. For what's worth, I'm keeping my VW Beetle 😄

[@martinharris5017]

@@FRUKARL Your car is the result of the post war revival of the brand with British assistance, NOT the WW2 KDF-Wagen. No shame whatsoever. I'm a proud owner of a 1968 Beetle.

[@FRUKARL]

@@martinharris5017 Nice one. Oh Believe me, I've got no shame at all. At least as a consolation prize, I've got the kids excited each time I drive by. They've got a special fondness for the beetle.