The Evolved Arabic Script in Dune | Response to

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[@ifoundacloud]

Dash over dot supremacy

[@Rrash_VA]

amen brotha!

[@moa_iq7556]

And harakat "movements" is tilted like a beret

[@aub3365]

@@Rrash_VA Hey! I'm Pakistani and our urdu language has same writing system (except that we have more consonants and less vowels) ... and we also don't write Harakat usually. Also, just like you, we don't put dot's distinctively, just dashes to increase the speed.

[@plotsky_]

agree

[@eldomiloqui]

Nah bruh

[@Akrafena]

Bro I remember watching this video of an Egyptian man teaching people how to write in Arabic. Somehow I ended up causing a crusade against the state of Kentucky

[@Rrash_VA]

well, whatchu gonna do, stuff like that happens, it is what it is.

[@EslamNawito]

It is what it is~

[@snifey7694]

More like a jihad. . . I think in technicality

[@slaimiaadem1634]

I write Arabic language with حركات. Change my mind

[@Rrash_VA]

@@slaimiaadem1634 why would i? You do you buddy. You're definitely an anomaly though

[@barry_wastaken]

never used harakat except when writing a very specific text like the Qur'an

[@Klw_n]

@@Rrash_VA the correct way or writing is with harakat i am from tunisia and the "squiggly" line is a wrong way of writing if you write an essay in arabic without the vowels and dots you're gonna get less points for unclear writing the actual "squiggly" lines came from students who dot too fast which resembles a line and over the years the habit makes it a line you cant read a text without its vowels and dots for example if you were to write words starting with these letters ت, ي ,ب, ن you wouldn't know which letter resembles what without the dots and without theحركات words could give off different meanings if they're uncommon to some readers so technically this is evolving backwards also the devolpment of the arabic language hasn't been clearly documented so we dont exactly know the details but great video tho !

[@barry_wastaken]

​@@Klw_nit's not a wrong way, it's a legitimate way the Arabs used, it's all arabic and all can be understood so stop yapping.

[@egyptian20091]

So time consuming

[@JamalAhmadMalik]

I speak Urdu, a language that uses the Arabic script. What's interesting is that I've almost never used the dots in something like ت ث ش پ چ etc. Since we have more letters with the dots, we have a standardized way of writing two and three dots. AND they are opposite to how you write. It was an interesting video tho.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@JamalAhmadMalik standardized you say!!! That's interesting! That's more proof that scripts can change and these changes can eventually become official. also, i'm aware urdu, Persian, and other languages use the arabic script.

[@ninasimoan]

i was about to say this. we do something like a mirror image of c with the lower side longer for ث ش etc

[@enamishalive]

wait, so yall dont write the dots for these?

[@AliRavencoreAdam]

I've never written Urdu without the dots.

[@alinaqirizvi1441]

@@AliRavencoreAdam yeah isn't it normally written kind of like how he writes the dots (not the squiggly line thing though it's always a straight line)

[@ZS-rw4qq]

3:12 Untill it regresses into Cyrillic Д hahahaha

[@danime1941]

The evolved "tha" is just how i write "sad" 🗿

[@takahashi2852]

Don't be tha, smile

[@kairinase]

I came from Malaysia, and I use the Jawi Script... the way we evolve the Arabic Script into Jawi, is by adding more dots to existing letters to make sounds that are from Malay Language. Jawi now has become it's own writing system and taught in school.

[@owncraticpath]

I'm learning yhe arabic from the Qur'an, like the symbols from Duolingo, and then just hearing the arabic while reading translations, and it's slow as it can get, but i'm glad to learn as kids do, slowly and through context... it created a lot of aha moments where i realize new things about sentences or words I've been using for a long time... so i do think it has value. God willing i will start writting soon... And speaking... i also need to speak, even in english i lack practice since i oddly talk to anyone being in Spain xD. Anyways, peace

[@Rrash_VA]

good luck! i tried learning spanish, but i lost the spark, i'll try and get back to it though

[@AbdulRahim_]

Typing in this way isn't an evolution; it's an old style called Riqaa (رقعة). and people still use it today

[@Rrash_VA]

of course it's an evolution, look it up. apparently, the ruqah is only used in the eastern arab world. i only heard about it very recently, apparently it first appeared in turkey, which could mean it evolved naturally and separately in the western Arab world in the form i showed, very interesting!

[@user-kv5hh5xo8i]

I love the direction you're going with this! I remember when I first realized how i3jam were written by native speakers - I was buying baklava and asked the syrian guy running the shop how to spell something, and was surprised when he used a straight line for ت. That being said - I question whether the most likely evolution would be for the i3jam to become connected in the way you showed. After all, think of how تتتتتت looks in the beginning and middle of a word, the i3jam float above the pointy bit. Just like how chinese characters get simplified based on their stroke order - I'd imagine the i3jam would gradually become connected to the last point the pen touched, so that it can be written in one swift motion. So, I propose the i3jam may become connected at the pointy bit, or in the case of ج, the tail of the letter may extend and curve to intersect itself, so as to be differentiated from ح, and in the case of خ, the tail would extend to intersect the top of the letter. That being said, I don't speak arabic well, and would be curious to see a native speaker such as yourself continue to experiment with possible future letterforms!

[@Rrash_VA]

@@user-kv5hh5xo8i i agree. at the end of the day it's all hypotheticals. It's impossible to predict how a script will exactly evolve. One thing that i'm sure of is that over the alleged ten thousand years it is sure to evolve much more drastically than just eleminating some dots. Just look at how the Phoenician script evolved into the Arabic and greek scripts and that evolved into the latin script and so on. All of that happened in much much much less that ten thousand years.

[@user-kv5hh5xo8i]

@@Rrash_VA 100%. I do wonder how digitization will affect future of graphemic evolution. The mass production of the qwerty keyboard helped latin scripts become unavoidable, and if the international community stays married to that keyboard layout then it's possible the latin script will remain crystalized for a long time. Fonts will still change, but the evolutionary pressures leading to new fonts may be different from that of handwriting.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@user-kv5hh5xo8i yes, i suspect script change will be slower in this digitized world. But then again who knows, we'll see what happens in the next thousand years. And by we i mean humanity hehe

[@Honest_Question]

Literally exactly my thoughts when I watched his video.

[@Adam-326]

Bro what kind of ○○○○○ propaganda are you promoting 😂? Insane…

[@Honest_Question]

@@Adam-326 bot

[@Adam-326]

@@Honest_Question Ah, if anything, you’d be the bot.

[@elgato8027]

@@Adam-326 factual pfp

[@Adam-326]

@@elgato8027 In dreamland, maybe

[@sskpsp]

That is similar to how abugidas evolved: consonant diacritics indicating vowels (like harakat) eventually attached like ligatures to form new characters. It would be interesting if this happens with abjads...the harakat but the i'lam as well. Maybe the latter would give tise to a featural script?

[@JoshuaTsukayama-cz9hy]

there are abugidas that still just have diacritics though

[@gasun1274]

Most abugidas still retain diacritics. What you're talkinf about is specifically Ge'ez

[@dg3876]

When I took Arabic for a year in college, we actually learned the shorthand forms of writing 2-3 dots. After a month or two I got tired of using the lines because I thought the dots were cooler. Obviously it's a personal preference but to me it didn't seem like it was saving that much time. But then again, the longest assignment we ever had to write was 12 sentences, so there wasn't much time to save

[@newgarden1659]

Yooo this was interesting man أنيا من الجزائر اخي، و السلام عليكم لذ كنت مسلم 🌹

[@Rrash_VA]

و عليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

[@newgarden1659]

@@Rrash_VA I just realized I made a typo and missed the Alif. It seems my Arabic is regressing too khoya 🤣🤣

[@Rrash_VA]

😂😂

[@secretsofdune]

I'm loving the Fremen Arabic language discourse that you and ifoundacloud are generating. Another great addition to the subject. Well done. I also share the same sentiments as you about the evolution of the Fremen language and how it could have/should have gone.

[@Reubentheimitator6572]

I like your idea of the dashes having come from dots eventually fusing into the base letter. I think that would actually distinguish the letters even better than they are already distinguished.

[@Kolvatn]

im learning arbic and darija, that's good to remember, i always forget ppl dont always write the 2 or 3 dots but a triangle or line instead x)

[@Rrash_VA]

I still remember when i made the switch to writing just the straight lines, it was in 7th grade. my mind was blown, i was like: holy shit this 5x's my writing speed, no more borrowing a notebook from a classmate to copy what i missed hehe. Good luck with your learning journey!

[@RexoryByzaboo]

The speedrun script.

[@runachan2910]

I think there is a certain way of writing in calligraphy where ق has a squiggly end over the line you write on instead of the dots and the ن is like a wave. I'm not a رقعة master (my normal handwriting makes me question my nationality 💀) but that's what I was told.

[@Hossam-Saad]

3:08 bro what is the name of this app you use to write in that cool way

[@AnasHart]

Any image editor can do it, like Paint, Gimp, Photoshop etc

[@Gamedx01]

This is another writing way, there are three ways if writing and the one we study is naskh(نسخ), which is the normal way that we study in school, and it is the slower way, when people started writing a bit fast, they start to make these lines instead of dots because they didn’t give the pen time to get out of the paper, so it makes a line, this way of writing is called riqie, it is a faster way of writing, there’s another faster way but it takes alot of practice and it’s much harder to read than others, it is writing everything in a a very small place and each word is inside the other, it is used normally infront of mosques to say bismillah, and in other places but it is very rare to find because it’s hard to be writin or even understood

[@dontusethisaccounttowatchp9635]

I would like to see a video focused on the spoken words in the movies and how they are related to arabic

[@efenty6235]

i think the intriguing thing about arabic writing is how much you can take away and still be able to use. this is a time when earth is forgotten, but they still have some basic version of arabic which is usable

[@noob-ru6sc]

my fifth grade teacher is the reason why i write the dash instead of the dots cuz he writes so fast and then wipes the whiteboard after 2 minutes

[@Gelatinocyte2]

Muad'dib for MultiVersus?

[@theofficeroliviersamson4498]

So dune writing is related to the latin alphabet (this alphabet)...

[@Rrash_VA]

Exactly!

[@abd-animation-22]

The the fact this was recommended to me Before i watched @ifoundacloud video is weird

[@Rrash_VA]

¯\(ツ)/¯

[@MimiGalaxy]

You're from Morocco, and your accent is actually very good. Wow i'm impressed How do you do that man I'm also from Morocco btw😂

[@Rrash_VA]

¯\(ツ)/¯ i've always tried to mimic an american accent, now i have an American accent, i guess i succeeded hehe. Accent doesn't matter though, as long as the speech is clear.

[@MimiGalaxy]

@@Rrash_VA I guess you're right 😂

[@SaeedLegend]

مقطع ممتع ممتع ممتع، جهد تُشكر عليه. تحياتي من سلطنة عمان. :)

[@ChezRG-YT]

Language of the unknown ?

[@naimaouagag7687]

BTW dots on top are added to help foreigners read, but we can read the alphabets without them.

[@tehmightymo]

Idk, the examples you showed of how the letters might evolve in the future to me just don't look like they would make those sounds.

[@Must-yb3in]

I think the multiple forms of hamza would be only one form ء for example..

[@Gamex996]

man the video was good till it reached the evolution part, the dune text is more like cursive arabic (رقعة) where you mostly don't write dots and arabic has many fonts that doesn't look anywhere near (نسخ) which is the standard way of writing.

[@Rrash_VA]

I spent 12 years in school, absolutely no one romoves the dots, they either write them as they are, or some other way, mostly in the ways i showed. Even doctors and farmasists write the dots. Trust me, my aunt was a farmasist, and i had to decifer her writing for years. But then again, i'l not sure, i'm mainly talking from my experience , i don't know which part of the arab world you're from. And i did say only some people write like this, not everybody, i never heard of رقعة, if i had i would've said something about that.

[@mordirit8727]

One thing that I may add, in your prediction of progress the letters are all still 2 movements, even 2 "pen off page" movements. If the written language is to evolve, all motion tends to go towards less and less movements per character, and specifically towards less and less "pen leaves page" instances. You can see this starkly with Kanji writting, where many of the simplified versions lead to less and less instances of needing to add an entirely sepparate line to a kanji. The reason why in English we refer to "doing things with a lot of care to every small detail" as "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" is quite literal: doing this type of stuff takes time, and when writting becomes more and more expedient, it tends to go the way of the dodo. The most likely path IMO is for the I'jam to become part of the initial line drawing, resulting in somethign more like this |__/\__| than this |_/_\_| (sorry, ASCII is a horrible tool for drawing xD). Lifting the pen from paper for 0.1s to do a small new line is a laughable effort, but when you multiply that by nearly infinite times people jotting words down, these types of extra effort tend to go away. Very rarely do we see writting keeping this kind of extra work, and we hardly ever see it evolve new added ones. Then again, of course, this presumes the written language will go on evolving. This is still true in a lot of the world but we've yet to trully see how big of an impact the digital age has on the written language. In a world where any foreigner wanting to read something in Arabic can point a cellphone at, the diacritics which most native Arab speakers have no use for might as well just cease to be entirely. In that way, maybe the prediction from Dune makes even more sense than evolving the modern script, since that's a society that's already been through that age. For thousands of years, everyone has had easier methods of knowing what is written than learning the language, so it might make even more sense that they write in a script that is famously unfriendly to outsiders, that might not be an issue at all anymore

[@somemeansfish8987]

I mean considering the original Dune was made in the 60s by an American I would consider even the devolution theory impressive considering the amount of knowledge he would have needed back then for that

[@soufianeelhyani8856]

Wow man If you didn't say it nothing would reveal any moroccaness about you ! probably never lived in morocco ? Great video btw I watched yours and ifoundacloud

[@Rrash_VA]

Uuuuh, ehm, iiiii actually never left Morocco, but thanks for watching, glad you liked the video

[@soufianeelhyani8856]

@@Rrash_VA Well, congrats you have no sharp T or weird Moroccan accent traits haha. keep up the good work.

[@thecaracarn6544]

How are you Moroccan but put the wrong map?!!

[@tastic3866]

Huh, that's weird as a Lebanese my education made me used to using harakat, and when I'm lazy i skip them but not the shadda

[@user-rt5pb5qf3b]

ناضي أساط يوتوب رشح ليا الفيديو ديالو وتفرجتلو... بحكم متابعة ديالي ل2 DUNE والبحث ديالي على تحليلات وكذا فيوتوب... التعقيب ديالك عليه فمحلو فعلا! لأنهم استخدمو العربية بالصورة القديمة ديالها، فحين كان ممكن يبدلوها (يطوروها) ويكون أحسن تبارك الله عليك محتوى زوين ❤

[@EnergeiaRhythmos]

Dune evolved arabic backward

[@Rrash_VA]

exactly! hehe

[@strfxfilm1942]

you should look at david j peterson's chakobsa script for the films, it's definitely more well thought out than the one from the dune encyclopaedia

[@khengari77]

Even the hamza (الهمزة ء) Was added with the dots

[@lizex.m]

كشخص عربي ما فهمت ولا اي شي. ممكن لاني ما تابعت المقطع اللي يتكلم عنه

[@NULTAMBOR807]

I come from the Maldives and our writing system thaana is similar to arabic where we only have constants as letters but the difference is that we always write with "harakaath" or "fili" in dhivehi and another neat thing in my opinion is that you can use it to write arabic phonetically with that said the 24 constants in our script does not represent every sound in the arabic language to make up for that we add dots to the existing leters for example alifu އ can be an ain ޢ or a ghain ޣ a thaa seen ސ can be a saadh ޞ

[@M4AH1990]

I feel like you're dropping an important point here. This way of writing is already - some way or the other - "formally" practiced, in the form of Ruqʿah script. Actually, the reason I picked up the dashes (and the hump-shape for three dots) instead of dots is that I found it easier to write this way after I learned Ruqʿah in school. I don't have a good handwriting so I don't exactly follow Ruqʿah in all details, and it's actually a mixture of Ruqʿah and Naskh. In fact, Ruqʿah (or a form of it) is the most common for handwriting as it's faster to write. As opposed to Naskh being the most common for printing. The reason I'm mentioning this is because I don't regard that as a regression per se, at least as long it's based on some of the big families of Arabic scripts. Ruq`ah itself was developed of the Kufi script.

[@isancicramon0926]

in Iran (where people also write with this script, hello), the three dots are joined and form a full circle, it is very pretty. But your solution doesn't work, because the arabic script is first and foremost a _cursive_ : and the evolutions you imagine don't lend themselves too easily to being joined to other letters.

[@youneschab2630]

Hi , i'm moroccan and it's my first time seeing your channel, keep up the work your work. However could you plz remove the divided map of morocco and replace it by they real one 1:29 Thanks in advance.

[@MurabbiAl-Nahl]

Bro I remember watching this video of an Egyptian man teaching people how to write in Arabic. Somehow I ended up in the middle of a Wahabbi revivalist movement in the middle of a Zen monastery

[@snifey7694]

I think it runs parallel to the Linguistic history of dear Arabic. Arabic Was invented as to centralised system in a more collective Muslim society in the initial quarter of History, like the upcoming Rashidun and Abbasids where the societal systems were connected, so many dialects across the muslim world, the I'jam was very essential. And then Maomet arrive, THE ECUMENICAL TRANSLATORS and the zensunni refugees end up dispersed and revert to neo tribalism. Now theres these chakobsa dialects all across the precious Arrakis. So yeah, itscvery descendo from the cresendo

[@ntluck1592]

I always used those dashes instead of dots, and I'm from Egypt. Pretty sure everyone I know does the same, from teachers at school to official documents. Dotting your letters? Ain't nobody got time for dat

[@abdallahabdoulouafi1260]

I am Moroccan 😂😂

[@Rrash_VA]

Welcome to the channel then 😊

[@otakoimaro9551]

I really like this video And hello my Morrocain friend

[@3407]

الشدّة (إدغام) is actually an extra letter, omitting it is should be wrong unless you explicitly write the hidden letter :) it's a bit of a special حركة. but sadly everyone does it wrong smh. this was a very cool video and take though. we love a fellow north african.

[@Rrash_VA]

Yeah i could've included that and (الهمزة) as well as a bunch of other things that were added, but i think i made the point regardless

[@3407]

@@Rrash_VA oh definitely, well done!

[@mus3ab_tal3at]

کوردی لێیە؟

[@tsesia9746]

The movie version is completely different

[@justahumanbean_]

I took Arabic language as 3rd language. i gotta be honest, it's complex yet poetic language. The amount of mental gymnastics that i had to do to understand it is a struggle.

[@vcihiethea]

I mean, considering it's future, it would make sense for the script the become angular and then curved.

[@Strawberry_shortcake_786]

2:37 bro I can relate as a native urdu speaker we write urdu in arabic script and do this often😂

[@namonamosimabarznjy4702]

i come from Kurdistan, The Kurdish Alphabet Might look Similar to Arabic, But it has a Few changes. First. Letters Are Pronounced Differently, For example, instead of Yah, There's yee. Yee has not Dots. And second, Kurdish has more letters than Arabic. Some letters are also found in the Persian Alphabet. There are much more changes aswell. Just go Search up "Kurdish alphabet" And See the differences for Yourself.

[@somnvm37]

the video is great, but I have one note [hope that wouldn't sound aggressive or negative], i'm not sure which of the 2 videos claimed "devolution" either way, this idea is pretty wrong I don't really get why would anyone call any change in the writing system devolving. Imagine a writing system with just 1 character? so easy to read like, having the dots would make it easier to read but it's + complexity for the system + longer to write not having the dots requires more knowledge and skill but less complexity and easier to write. I think saying "devolution" makes no sense because there is just too many directions for a writing system, maybe something like japanese with 3 alphabets and complex logic everywhere it could be considered more evolved, but at the same time, it's a terrible tool and it takes years to learn and if you stumble upon a new word you're fucked. And for finnish for example, it reflects the pronounciation well, meaning it's a good efficient tool, but it only shows the sound and not the history or meaning of a word (bc it's just an alphabet), and it's much less complex. this reminds me of how everyone here [russia] comments on language differences. If english has many words for 1 concept then russian is "more efficient", if if russian has many words for one thing and in english its 1 then our language is "more rich". That's because proving that "our language is better" is the initial goal and all problems would be looked at from this perspective. another question: is hebrew writting "evolved" and good or non-evolved and bad? every letter has several sounds, every sound has several letters. Imagine if every word in english was spellt like eighet "is this 8? is this iffet? is this eye-yeet? is the t silent?...". So it's super complex, it requires a lot of memorisation, and it's good. At the same time it's a terrible tool, so it's not as good as just writting words with an alphabet, but it also doesn't write the vowels, so it's kind of more efficient?

[@m7md_sadiq]

thank god I am Arabic I understand every word in dune

[@romenyesayan3855]

meh, only the writing is dying + I don't write like that in arabic

[@Hani0240]

I think arabic is too perfect to evolve

[@abdelhak943]

0:50 the preservation of the Quranic text is done through the oral recitations not through written texts.

[@Rrash_VA]

Of course. But that's just one part of it, look it up, to make sure that the original meaning of the quran doesn't get lost they had to make changes to the written form and also codify grammar, they noticed people making grammatical mistakes, even the native arabs not just the non arabs (عجم) so they had to really make sure everything is as it was bestowed on the profit peace be upon him. There was no room for error and confusion, that’s how you end up with, (تحريف) a slight change from "kasra" to "fatha" could prove fatal.

[@abdelhak943]

@@Rrash_VA The preservation of the Quran comes through the Tawatur of the recitations while adding dots to help non-Arabs is a whole different topic. There is not tahrif in the Quran for all the oral recitations can be traced back to the Shabah and the prophet peace be upon him.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@abdelhak943 ma maaaan i knooowww, but the oral tradition is just a part of the preservation effort, quite a big part for sure, but many people memorize the Quran from reading it, not by ear, they study the rules to read with tajweed and everything, but then they have to go off of the text itself, it's impossible to memorize the Quran correctly by reading if (chakl) isn't a thing and if (i3jam) isn't a thing. i don't know about you but when i wanna memorize a certain (hizb) i read it directly i don't open up an mp3 of (sudaysi) reciting it.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@abdelhak943 and when i said tahrif, i mean tahrif of the written form, because if it didn't have all of those necessary additions, many people would just read it incorrectly even if they are native arabs, therefore they would memorize it incorrectly

[@wasnt.here.3853]

The word you're looking for is atavism

[@nathanenzo6807]

Wrong. They will never evolve to those silly graffiti. And Morocco is not splitted in half

[@shadowshadow2724]

ما جاش فبالي اتكون مغريبي 😂😂😂

[@sofianealloui]

lets gooooo ❤

[@wishwewere1256]

Dune lore is honetly awesome

[@achraf2095]

Amazigh?

[@Rrash_VA]

yesss

[@mohmedelsayd6071]

i can read arabic with dots :D

[@AliYassinToma]

You obviously don't know what ruq'ah is please go read about it.. any arab who understands this will be laughing at this video. Im not trying to be mean but please research more before making vids like this

[@ahmedas424]

2:35 no bother we're all like you pretty lazy

[@hecker4342]

Cool video

[@tariq3erwa]

like number 333

[@enamishalive]

i feel ث ظ ذ would actly disapear since most dialicts dont pronounce these, they just become ت/س ض/زؕ د/ز

[@Aresydatch]

Peninsular Arabic still Pronounces these along with Iraq and The Ahuaz, Libya and Mauritania too Especially in the peninsula where more Archaic features and pronunciations of Arabic are Present like Emphatic R and L and common occurrence of Allophones I find it unlikely that we'll roll with that change

[@alfastar9032]

@@Aresydatch i can say north africa too still use them especially my home country tunisia

[@enamishalive]

@@Aresydatch yaa i getcha, but i thought one, the majority of arabic speakers dont speak with these, and two, languages tend to simplify already existing elements and complexity usually developes with innovations. i think the dental fricatives and stuff might still be kept in some dialects even thousands of years later, but it would perhaps become like the function of ð in spanish, where people would pronounce it, but not differenciate it with d. and ofc, since arabic is the language of the Qura'an, it would proabaly still be kept with old pronounciation in religious contexts.

[@user-jk8vh3cw2x]

cool but thanks to allah that technology uses buttons to type other wise my hand writing is more like cat scratches lol الحمد لله الكتابة بالاجهزة مو بخط الايد لان خطي خراميش مال بزون

[@PencereHalia]

The actual evolved Arabic script is Turkish Arabic, Persian Arabic, Malay Jawi Arabic and Pegon Arabic

[@Aresydatch]

They mean Evolution not Derivatives These are derivatives

[@Trucmuch]

Turkish uses Latin letters

[@PencereHalia]

@@Trucmuch Before Turkish Revolution, they used Ottoman Turkish Script, till it replaced by Latin one at 1928. Historically, they did use Arabic letters, maybe still used now but uncommonly. Many Muslim country which have been modernized or colonized (except Turkey) like Malaysia, Indonesia are adopting latin letters to their language. Also, there is restoration effort done to preserve these Arabic language evolution or derivative or adaptation. But unfortunately, this restoration effort went to vain, likely due to modernization, western propaganda, racism (yes it did) and skill issues.

[@Trucmuch]

@@PencereHalia fair enough

[@exarquazowexa7247]

The dots and 7arakat were not in the original Arabs' scripts. They were later added to help 3ajam muslim converts understand the language faster. So the true highest eloquent level is no 7araka, no dot. And that's the level we should all strive to reach.

[@ExzaktVid]

So your goal is to strive to make the language nearly impossible for non-natives to understand? And what do you mean by muslim converts, you do realize that there are muslims in this world who were always muslim but just don’t speak arabic? (me)

[@ZeroTheBot]

​@@ExzaktVid​the dots don't make it harder for natives to understand, during the early muslim caliphates, arabic was used as an official language, coupled with the new muslims wanting to learn how to read the quran.

[@ExzaktVid]

@@ZeroTheBot when did I say the dots make it harder to understand for natives? I was just saying that no dots make it harder to learn. I thought the poster was talking about modern times, not in the past. I guess I’m stupid.

[@okamianimes8190]

im sorry but i have to be that guy who tells you that you are showing the wrong map 1:30 ...

[@Rrash_VA]

Relax, i'm Moroccan, i know what you're talking about, but it's not exactly easy to find a whole world map that doesn't include the western shara boarder, plus it's a very complicated geopolitical matter, read about it, it's not black and white.

[@okamianimes8190]

@@Rrash_VA ik it wasnt on purpose i just had to point it out as a Moroccan yk, no hard feelings

[@thecaracarn6544]

​@@Rrash_VA You was able to edit the whole video but not erase a line on a white map?

[@skeletonking4119]

Thanks you

[@dodododraw]

كانك مكبر الموضوع يسطا

[@3mar00ss6]

3:21 STOP STOP BRO WTF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ROQA'A WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MOROCCO

[@Rrash_VA]

Yeah no, we write the dots buddy, plus the existance of رقعة doesn't invalidate any of what i said, dots werent written in the pre islamic text and in my part of the world people write the dots as i explained. Just because people don't write the dots in your region doesn't mean it's the case everywhere. I never heard of رقعة if i had i wound have said something about it. Can you tell me which regions is it used in exactly?

[@3mar00ss6]

@@Rrash_VAthe dots are already connected to the qaf in raqa'ah bro it's not a regional thing 💀 I wasn't talking about the writing of individual dots I was talking about the bonkers stupid way you think the dots would connect to the qaf let alone the goofy way u connected the dots of thaa and taa that made both look the same and both look like a ص if you want to look at an "evolved" version of the Arabic writing system look at خط الرقعة and watch kandari chronicles video about it lil bro /ᐠ - ⩊ -マ🍵

[@3mar00ss6]

@@Rrash_VA the dots are already connected to the qaf in raqa'ah bro it's not a regional thing 💀 I wasn't talking about the writing of individual dots I was talking about the bonkers way you think the dots would connect to the qaf let alone the goofy way u connected the dots of thaa and taa that made both look the same and look like a ص if you want to look at an "evolved" version of the Arabic writing system look at خط الرقعة and watch Kandari Chronicles: ISLAMIC CALLIGRAPHY - Transmitting the Voice of The Divine about it lil bro /ᐠ - ⩊ -マ🍵

[@3mar00ss6]

@@Rrash_VA bro u can't even write a fatha correctly and since youtube is deleting every reply I post because of my skin color I can't really tell you how the qaf in ruqa'a already has the dots connected to it

[@ms.zahraa]

هسه انت تجاوزت عليه بكلامك عيب هذا مو من أخلاق المسلمين ثانيا كلام الشخص صحيح كيف تطورت اللغه العربية روح شوف النقاش الصخرية المنتشرة بالحجاز راح تلاقيها كلها كلمات بدون نقاط ثالثا الي تتكلم عنه هاي أنواع الخط أنواع الخط يا فهيييييم

[@imlassuom]

💩💨😷

[@Gelatinocyte2]

Some of the hypothetical future Arabic scripts kind of remind me of a few Baybayin scripts. (For those who don't know: Baybayin is an abugida of the pre colonial Philippines.)

[@history_addict136]

I like your video, but there is no evolution for the Arabic language. If there is an evolution needed, it would be in the grammatical side, but that won't happen either. Because of the relation between Arabic language and Quran, Arabic has became a sort of "holy language", thus, it won't change, it won't be easier, maybe the people will invent a different language in the future and Arabic becomes like an archaic holy language that only the selected few learn for religious reasons (much like Hebrew, and ancient Greek), but it will not evolve.

[@Rrash_VA]

Uuuum, but it did evolve, some "verieties" of arabic are incomprehensible to other arabic speakers, are there any native clasical arabic speakers? No, arab speakers all grow up speaking an arabic "dialect" from their region. I suggest you look into linguistics a bit more, languages change all the time. Even modern standard arabic is a little different from classical arabic. Just becasue it's the language of the quran doesn't mean it can't change, it has holy status for sure, but it can change and it has, just look around you. By change i don't mean loosing it's original form as it's used to deliver the quran. And that's the reason it was preserved, precisely to preserve the original meaninig and make sure nothing in the quran is lost. Another language that kept it's "original" form is latin, while french, spanish, italian, portugaise, and romainian are evolutions of latin, the way moroccan arabic, yemeni arabic, and lebanese arabic are all evolutions of arabic, latin is still in it's original form, though not used as heavily as standard and classical arabic are, both standard/clasical arabic and latin are dead languages with no native speakers. They are spoken and used but no one considers them their native language. I don't know if you're an arab speaker, but if you are, what do you consider your native tongue? Standard/classical arabic or your dialect? in conclusion, any language can change even arabic, and it has changed, but that does not mean the loss of it's original form if an effort is made to preserve this "original form". (Sorry if this is too long)

[@MA-gu2up]

​@@Rrash_VA Most Arabic speakers in the Middle East can understand each other's, the gap is like the gap between British and American English or something But the gap between French, Italian and so on is very big, they mostly don't understand each other. Also, an Egyptian and a Saudi basically write the same, and most Arabic speakers can talk in "fuseha" if they have to, as most of them memorize some of the Quran

[@history_addict136]

@@Rrash_VA Standard Arabic (or Classical to be accurate) started with its native speakers. But languages evolve with time, that's natural and inevitable. I wasn't talking about the colloquial Arabic in my first comment, only the Standard Arabic and how the purists wants it to stay the same. Colloquial Arabic evolves daily, I'm Egyptian and I can't keep up with the new words coined in the Colloquial Egyptian. Each dialect from each country evolved on its own, using their environment and the previous languages as a guidance. For example, in Colloquial Egyptian, you can find a lot of words which are Coptic, Italian, Turkish...etc. Even the sentence structure, specially in negation, is not using the Arabic structure. Like: معرفش. Since I'm a translator by profession, I've met many purists who even dislike the Modern Standard Arabic and want to only use the Classical Arabic. Think of the English language as an example, English has evolved dramatically in the last 1000 years, you can see the difference between Beowulf and The Canterbury Tales (which I totally failed to read), and modern day usage of the language. I'm sorry for prolonged this, but to be clear, the gap will widen within time between colloquial dialects and standard Arabic. The gap is already huge enough between those dialects, that I can't understand Moroccan Arabic when I hear it, or Iraqi Arabic, or Gulf Arabic, maybe a word here and there, but not a total comprehension.

[@blakops000007]

I made a more likely evolution of some Arabic letters based on keeping the pen down instead of lifting it which would be smoother and faster to write. The dots which became lines are now fully incorporated into the letter itself rather than being separate. drive.google.com/file/d/1ZYsQ-RIKWBpUGW1YPJd7XrAH_o0wg_Aj/view?usp=drivesdk

[@jafroni6479]

This already happened in the Ruqʿah script, If you look at the Qāf (ق), Kāf (ك), and Nūn (ن), you'll see the iʻjām connected to the letters, presumably for speed just like you said it would

[@Rrash_VA]

yes, but apparently, the ruqah is only used in the eastern arab world. i only heard about it very recently, apparently it first appeared in turkey, which could mean it evolved naturally and separately in the western Arab world in the form i showed, very interesting indeed

[@jafroni6479]

​@@Rrash_VA This is very interesting I always thought the Ruqʿah script was the default hand to handwrite Arabic in

[@muhammadhasandaengsultan97]

ۼ ڠ ڹ پ ڣ چ ۻ ڮ ڭ ݝ ݗ ݓ ݑ ࢤ ࢥ ۺ ݓ Additional

[@yaser9651]

In any country or languages use any of thes? @_@

[@muhammadhasandaengsultan97]

@@yaser9651 There are as in Indonesia

[@muhammadhasandaengsultan97]

@@yaser9651 Indonesia