The Expanse 1x7 REACTION!! "Windmills"

Eric Rick Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 1 episode 7 of The Expanse - Windmills - #TheExpanse
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[@BlindWave]

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[@berlindude75]

So over 40 more weeks until you catch up with the currently running season 5. It's gonna be a long ride.

[@sacredlamb3021]

The reason why belters use sign language, is because they can't hear in space, old space suits, or cheap ones don't have speakers that can connect to each other, so they developed a language so that they can communicate in the silence of space.

[@Variecs]

Alternatively, they're italian.

[@theemperormoth5089]

@@Variecs “Can I still TALK with my HANDS!?” “No” *wiggles ears* “What about my ears?” “I’m afraid not.” *Droops ears*

[@Tsejjest]

Like dark elves :)

[@elizabethlockhart2103]

Nick Farmer, who developed Belter Creole, actually objects to it being called a sign language, because the gestural part of the language where they use their hands isn't actually a fully developed language. They can't really have full-on conversations or communicate complex ideas. It's more like a replacement for body language or facial expressions that would be obscured by heavy environment suits.

[@mattfors1791]

@@elizabethlockhart2103 based on greek sailors or something signaling each other i heard on "ty and that guy"

[@kirkdarling4120]

Not detailed in the show, but the UN government takes imminent domain over private property unless the land has been in possession of a single family through eight "ancestors." But there was a loophole because the law did not specify that the ancestors had to be from successive generations. So eight landowners used genetic engineering to produce a child from eight "ancestors," which gave them a legal claim to keep their property.

[@dapeach06]

Just Fyi, it's *Eminent* domain

[@Enourmousletters]

The Domain is coming for you! It is Imminent!

[@Drax514]

That doesn't make sense though. Where does this figure of eight ancestors come from? Does the law mean like eight generations of ownership?

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@Drax514 The law was intended to mean eight successive generations, but it was not specific enough. So the matter continues to be in the courts.

[@Drax514]

@@kirkdarling4120 Gotcha, so in the books, the UN in effect owns basically every piece of property in the world then? Interesting. What is the explanation? Or none given

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Eric: "I hope they will feel more as a team soon. There's a lot of frustration there." Holden, literally 🔫 "Always has been"

[@thontor]

Aaron, the Donnager lost gravity while they were running across the catwalk because the main engines turned off. WIthout the acceleration from the engines, there is no "gravity"

[@TheArrowedKnee]

Eric is onto how the physics works, think Aaron needs a little bit more time to understand it. In space, if you are not accelerating, you are weightless. Therefore, to create "artificial" gravity(it isn't really gravity, but beacuse of the equivalence principle, the effects of it is the same), they propel the ship from below their feet. As Eric seems to be on to, during the mid transit flip, they become weightless beacuse they are no longer accelerating. That's the important bit. Acceleration = gravity in this instance. Alternatively you can also simulate gravity by rotation.

[@DoresainJS]

This is correct. Importantly, it is *acceleration* that creates a feeling of gravity, NOT *momentum*. Objects in space don't slow down naturally once they are moving because there's no friction to slow them. If the engine isn't burning there's no "gravity", no matter how fast you're going.

[@MegapixelsofFun]

If you look up a cut-a-way of the Rocinante you get a really clear idea of how the decks are laid out, it isn't horizontal along the vertical plane, it is vertical along the horizonal plane.

[@BanyanTree1]

@@DoresainJS There's even a Season 3 episode called "Delta-V", aka "change in velocity", though the most notable example in that episode is deceleration.

[@Hawk_of_Battle]

@@DoresainJS Yeah that seems to be what they're missing there, they're confusing acceleration with momentum. Eric was trying to imply that when the Donnager got hit it went into a spin and thus lost gravity, but Aaron was talking about the drives being hit and going offline, and thus losing gravity, which is what actually happened. Aaron is right, but he's assumed that no drives/engines means "we can no longer generate artificial gravity", presumably thinking it's just generated by some sort of sci-fi mcguffin. What they've both not understood is that, prior to that moment, the ship was still thrusting and accelerating, and when the drives got hit, the ship is STILL moving, but no longer accelerating, thus the gravity goes away. Eric does have a better understanding of the physics, but both seem to have misconstrued the situation a little. But, they're getting there slowly, as we see more ship combat they should gain a firmer understanding of what's happening and I'm glad Eric has also realised that the pdc's have anti recoil exhausts to counter their firing. That's something not a lot of people would catch.

[@mbpoblet]

@@MegapixelsofFun Yeah, spaceships in settings without artificial gravity but with efficient enough engines to provide continuous acceleration aren't like ships, they're like _buildings,_ with the engine in the basement. And, when there's rotational pseudogravity _"down"_ is away from the axis of rotation (examples being Ticho Station or Ceres, which, while massive enough to be round, doesn't have enough gravity to live on, and was therefore spun up to create rotational pseudogravity towards the equator); this can be seen in the scene where Miller was dropped into an airlock, for instance. (Also, in the absence of gravity the enemy gate is down; that's from another book series altogether, but it had to be said.)

[@krbkrbkrbkrbkrb]

Creole (upper case C) generally refers to the language used in Caribbean, which is also a creole (lower case c). A creole (lower case c) is a new language that was created from 2 (or more) other languages. A creole is what happens when a pidgin evolves into a distinct language. The Belter Creole used in the show was designed by linguist Nick Farmer. It is mostly English so we can kinda understand it but it includes bits and pieces of Germanic, Chinese, Romance, Indic, Slavic, and Niger-Congo. The "gravity" on the ships comes from the ships accelerating. In episode 4 when Holden and Naomi start floating on the bridge, they cut to the ship's engines turning off then cut back to them running on the bridge and they start floating. As weapons, they use the missiles/torpedoes for long range, some ships have rail guns for short range, and they have the gatling gun PDCs (point defense cannons) for extreme close range combat and for trying to shoot down incoming missiles. Missiles do not always fly direct to target, sometimes they will take a different path to attack from a different angle. If you are firing several missiles in a single salvo then it makes sense to fire the first missiles on a less direct path so that all of the missiles arrive at the target at the same time so the PDCs cannot shoot down everything at once. This episode is the last one dedicated to world building. The next episode is going to start kicking things off.

[@shade419]

I think my favorite moment in this episode is the conversation between Miller and Dawes. Because I love pretty much everything Dawes does on screen but also, specifically... that line. "Maybe you haven't lost everything after all, and when you do, you will find your way home and it will welcome you." It's a threat, a warning and a peace offering all in one sentence and he has that measured way of talking that makes absolutely everything he say feel so heavy. Also? Donkeyballs.

[@kirkdarling4120]

That line is also a clue to the events of a future episode.

[@michaelshafer5192]

and I dislike everything Dawes does and would not trust him at all. That said, he is a great character played by a great actor.

[@danilooliveira6580]

Dawes is a huge asshole, he is still an amazing character and the actor does a amazing job.

[@CitroChannel]

Sad that they left the Churn speech out of the KZbin cut. That is the first real glimpse into how Amos sees the world and acts the way he does!

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

I don't think Amos registers as a character in their heads yet, lol. They barely talk about him. Most people would still think Amos is just a thug at this point in Season 1 though, to be fair. Though I knew he's something else since episode 2.

[@blasphemous9693]

Yeah, they don't take Amos seriously yet, specially Eric.

[@anonymes2884]

Yep, that and "Go ahead, you've got a clean shot..." to Holden are pretty deep insights into who Amos is.

[@franciscooctavius5957]

Give them time. They will come to worship at the altar of Amos like most fans have!

[@gerardlacroix6015]

@@anonymes2884 I love how Amos and Holden relationship evolved.

[@manthroat]

It amazes me just how much info they can pack into each episode. Incredible world building!

[@nicj8206]

So this show has got tons of praise from NASA for its depiction of space. One thing they get right is there is no magic artificial gravity system on their ships. The only time ships have gravity is while under any kind of acceleration. This is why when the Donnager lost main power they lost their "gravity" since the engines stopped and they were no longer accelerating. Note that deceleration by flipping the ship around is just accelerating in the opposite direction so has the same effect. Ships in the Expanse are built more like tall buildings on a small footprint in that the decks don't travel length wise from the back of the ship to the front but many smaller floors. It is odd to imagine but when the ships are moving "forward" as we see on outside shots, they are basically moving headfirst "forward" as if they were superman flying. The pressure of this movement is what is pushing them "down" on to the deck of the ship thus acting like gravity.

[@skyrule]

I hope our team starts feeling like a team soon...

[@fakecubed]

I love the discussion in I think season 5 that calls back to the early conflicts this crew had. Anyone who's seen that far knows which discussion I'm talking about.

[@Mu77ley]

Nice spot about the weapon handling. Wes Chatham who plays Amos is ex-US Navy, so I suspect he's had plenty of proper weapon training

[@chadwhitfield6946]

😂 Unless he's a SEAL or was military police not so much weapons training.

[@chewieknievel8439]

@@chadwhitfield6946, you want to say that to Wes’s face? I would never talk bad about the Navy to Wes, because even though Wes maybe the coolest guy on TV right now he’s still got the build of Amos. Honestly those in the military may give each other a hard time but that’s a sibling fight. I respect them all, even National and Coast Guard.

[@chadwhitfield6946]

@@chewieknievel8439 I'm former Navy. It wasn't a shot at him. It's the facts.

[@jcheck1107]

@@chewieknievel8439 relax man like the man said unless you’re in a position where you have to qualify with a weapon every year most Sailors will never get much hands on training with a weapon.

[@chewieknievel8439]

@@jcheck1107 I remember when my great uncle told me the story of how he survived floating in the water for several days watching his shipmates die from exposure and shark attacks after the USS Indianapolis was torpedoed. That was a badass. So say what you will, still some real tough sailors there.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Just FYI, Alex appears from Indian descent, and has a southern accent, because his character comes from a place on Mars called Mariner Valley. That place has been settled generations ago by mostly Indians, Chinese and Texans, of all people. And every ethnicity in Mariner Valley has adopted the Texan drawl after some time, because apparently it 'was viral' (meaning it caught on).

[@thishonestgrifter]

And that surprises you? Southern drawls are the best.

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

Could it be because Texas, India, and China have the most advanced real-world space programs?

[@lady8jane]

@@AzkuulaKtaktu Yeah, when I heard their discussion about how India is so prominent in this world I was all like ... Hey, India lands satellites on the moon, you guys!

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

@@lady8jane it's not a satellite if it lands, but yeah

[@hexamael9458]

@@thishonestgrifter they're really not.

[@Cornberry]

I really appreciate the short talk on economics and government assistance, because so many people don't really understand it and are just afraid of/hate it by default. It's cool that you guys have awareness and insight into things.

[@AlanGresov]

People disagree with UBI because there are demonstrable negative effects. Everything has a cost, it would be foolish to assume that something can be gotten for nothing.

[@dsdy1205]

@@AlanGresov Everything has negative effects, you can't just discount it because "something bad will happen". There should at least be a weighing of pros and cons

[@AlanGresov]

@@dsdy1205 I was trying to give a brief counter opinion, namely refuting the idea that people who oppose any kind of social program just do so out of a knee jerk reaction, I'm by no means trying to say that there is any kind of plan of action that doesn't have some kind of negative consequence, only that those who oppose said programs do so for actual reasons

[@collecter343]

Calvin with the bullet physics here. Also the thing with the no gravity was because the drive ("engine") shut down so they were no longer accelerating and were technically drifting.

[@MS_25826]

I loved the discussion guys! Eric made some great points and I love how your picking up on the world building.

[@adeftonic]

The Actor Who played Amos (Wes Chatham) used to be in the military so is why he probably has good muzzle discipline.

[@rahulranax]

The thing about texan accent is that initial Martians mainly consisted of Indians, Chinese and some Texans. Therefore, most Martians are of mixed Indian, Chinese descent and have Texan accent. You guys should read about some of the lore and backstory of Mars and Earth war as it's really interesting and helps understand the show better.

[@STR33TSofJUST1C3]

8:34 Okay, this was the best part of the reaction. It's like a bunch of lil puppies twisting their heads when you show them cookies.

[@Run1tBackTV]

saw that too loool

[@Michael-vz9xk]

Just FYI the authors themselves have pointed out that BASIC as described is not the idea of Basic Income we strive to achieve.

[@amarokorama]

Yep, Basic Assistance / Support is more akin to food stamps. It's definitely not income = currency that you are free to spend on whatever you want. If somebody is interested in more details, search the web for an article titled "The Expanse's Basic Support vs. Basic Income" by Scott Santens.

[@Michael-vz9xk]

@@amarokorama or Utopia for Realists by Rutger Bregmann and pretty much everything from David Graeber

[@Looknan]

You guys almost had it right with the gravity in the show, there is indeed no 'artificial gravity machine'. Just to clarify it a bit: There are two ways gravity is created in this show - via thrust or via spinning. In ships we are dealing with thrust gravity created by the engines as Eric said. However, it is not *momentum* that feels like gravity but rather *acceleration*. Think of driving a car: you are pushed into your seat when accelerating after a red light, but not when you are cruising at a high speed on the motorway. That is, as long as the engines are creating thrust, the spaceship is accelerated and people feel gravity on board. As soon as the engines stop, people in the ship become weightless and have to use their mag-boots to stick to the floor. It has nothing to do with spinning or similar - the loss of gravity is just because there is no more acceleration. This is also what happened in the battle on the Donnager. When they do the flip and spin maneuver they also lose gravity, but that is just because during the flip the main engine is shut off. On stations the show is using spin gravity: that is, the asteroids/stations are spun up (and they don't stop spinning because there is no friction in space) and therefore create an outward force - think carousels. So the people are inside the asteroids with their feet pointing outwards and the spinning creates their gravity. And, as Eric says, this is why there was the shot with the drink being poured weirdly. This is to illustrate the coriolis effect which is present due to the spinning. This is the same force that here on Earth makes the Hurricanes go one way on northern hemisphere and the other on the southern hemisphere. All this is exactly how it works in the real world. In fact, acceleration and gravity are not only similar but fundamentally the same thing and indistinguishable: this is the founding axiom of Einstein's theory of relativity.

[@amarokorama]

Good explanation, but your paragraph about spin gravity ("spinning creates their gravity") does not quite mesh with your final paragraph (acceleration and gravity are the same) and might confuse some people. To clarify: spinning is simply a form of acceleration. Velocity and acceleration are vector quantities, meaning they have both a magnitude and a direction. Using ideal cases as examples: With thrust gravity, the directions of velocity and acceleration are parallel, meaning the magnitude (=speed) of an object's velocity will increase (acceleration pointing in same direction) or decrease (acceleration pointing in opposite direction), while direction stays the same. With spin gravity, the directions of velocity and acceleration are orthogonal, meaning the magnitude (=speed) of a moving object will stay the same, but its direction constantly changes (it "orbits" the center of rotation). So, whenever a velocity changes, whether its magnitude or its direction or both, there's an acceleration behind it that can feel like gravity.

[@Looknan]

@@amarokorama Yes, true. Thanks for clarifying it for people!

[@anonymes2884]

Just to clarify further (and split a couple of hairs :): - spin gravity _doesn't_ create an _outward_ force. The acceleration due to rotational motion is, somewhat counter-intuitively, centripetal or towards the centre of rotation i.e. _inwards_ (this seems weird to us precisely _because_ of things like cornering cars or merry-go-rounds since when we're riding those we feel as if we're being pushed outwards but from the perspective of an inertial reference frame - i.e. in the conventional Newtonian explanation - what we're "actually" doing is obeying Newton's first law by travelling in a straight line, tangent to the curve of rotation. Or we would be if pesky friction with seats, car doors etc. didn't get in the way :). - the _apparent_ outward or centrifugal "force" is often called a "fictitious force" because it's purely a reference frame dependent requirement (the Coriolis "force" is another example - exaggerated as the effect was BTW, Miller pouring that first whisky is when I really fell for the show I think) - it doesn't result from any real physical interaction and if you describe the motion in an inertial frame rather than a non-inertial (e.g. rotating) one the "force" disappears. The _perception_ of an outward force IS due to a real physical interaction though - people on Ceres _feel_ the Normal force of the station's structures pushing _inwards_ against them (spin gravity) and perceive that to be against an outwards force pushing them "down" to the floor which, after all, is how it works on Earth - we don't feel the Earth's gravity (which, according to General Relativity, is also a "fictitious force" but now in/downwards), we actually _feel_ the Normal force of the Earth pushing back (a non-fictitious force, acting out/upwards). - this, incidentally, is why any explanation you see of tides that requires centrifugal forces is wrong. If your explanation of a measurable physical effect only works in some frames of reference then your explanation is broken (because in physics we assume the universe _isn't_ :). Off topic, sorry, pet peeve :). - the equivalence of acceleration and gravity is a founding axiom of Einstein's _General_ theory of relativity (it's _not_ an axiom of Special Relativity, which doesn't deal with gravity).

[@Looknan]

@@anonymes2884 Yes, also true and thanks for the further write-ups. I, for one, in an act of eternal rebellion against my Physics I lecturer have chosen to always ignore this. Yes, the coriolis force and centrifugal forces are 'fictitious forces' or, like she used to say, 'kinetic terms', but the net effect that the people on the station feel is that their feet are pushed outwards against the inside of the asteroid, which is the relevant part to understand for the show. Even if that is ironically caused by the inward force of the rotational acceleration. Yes, tides are caused by tidal forces. I can remember that because it's in the name! I will never claim that is caused by centrifugal forces - my rebellion only goes so far. I don't remember what exactly made me fall in love with the show as I've seen way too many reactions of this, but seeing the coriolis force in action was definitely a plus! And the general understanding of gravity helps even though the show has, unlike the books, some more questionable scenes. I also especially love the sort of subtle inclusion of concepts like Noether's theorem and non-locality!

[@anonymes2884]

@@Looknan Hah, indeed. Similarly, there're big chunks of quantum physics where some part of me just went "Nope" and is forever in denial :). And for sure the show takes the odd liberty (I haven't read the books yet to compare - debated starting them for years but now I think i'll just wait until the show ends) and/or exaggerates/compresses real phenomena but usually for mostly understandable cinematic reasons (and maybe the occasional knowingly poetic flourish - no spoilers but there's a moment at the end of S4 that falls into that bracket IMO). As much as the attention to realism itself I think I enjoy even more the feel _for_ "reality" the show captures if that makes sense. Reality is astonishing and (literally) wonderful in its own right and as you might expect with several STEM types behind the scenes (notably Naren Shankar), it really feels like the the creative team understands that and knows how to convey it.

[@amolinya]

"the mormon mobil" lmao

[@collecter343]

Fucking Aaron and the phrases he makes up, haha.

[@MoviesAndTvShowsAreSubjective]

so funny

[@DougCube]

"welwala" means planet-lover but also carries the connotation of "traitor to my people"

[@AlanGresov]

I *think* it's meant to be akin to landlubber. The "wel" part of it referring to a gravity well maybe? And the "waler" maybe a transformation of lover or something with a similar meaning.

[@Nightley4]

I forgot that Adam Jensen was in this, until i heard his voice :D

[@TheArrowedKnee]

Oh shit you're right, i never made the connection between Kenzo and Adam Jensen before you said it, nice catch

[@NozomuYume]

@@TheArrowedKnee Kenzo never asked for this.

[@colinjones5379]

No shit? Wow I never made the connection.

[@direnova6284]

One of the defining things about this show is that the physics make sense. There are advances in tech but as Eric said it's just efficiency, there are no "magic" cop-outs.

[@LeeCarlson]

When you fire a round at random into space, it goes on, forever, on a ballistic trajectory (orbit).

[@Haegemon]

Until it gets trapped by the gravity of a bigger body.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@Haegemon At which point it enters an orbit.

[@dsdy1205]

@@LeeCarlson If it came from outside the body's sphere of influence, it won't just enter an orbit like that. It will swing right back out.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@dsdy1205 All depending on the item's velocity and how deep into the "body's sphere of influence" (i.e. its gravity well) it happens to fall.

[@AlanGresov]

@@Haegemon it's always trapped by the gravity of a larger object

[@Dezi_RR]

Welcome to the churn

[@garethneller8239]

Float to the top or sink to the bottom

[@dapeach06]

The Basic Assistance in The Expanse is essentially the worst case scenario of public assistance, where the people on basic dont get money, they get to live in "projects", get predetermined food and the Expanse equivalent of EBT, and need to pass exams and apply to be on a lottery to even get a job. It's basically what right-wingers today think UBI would be. The Expanse is actually a dystopia, because it's based on how things are right now, and right now we are a bit of a dystopia. It's just not comically exaggerated like The Hunger Games or Equilibrium etc.

[@danilooliveira6580]

the UN is the extreme of the worst case scenario, where basic assistance is a necessity. they don't have space or jobs for everyone, so either they leave people to their fates or they try to give them the basic they need to survive. while MCR is the extreme inverse, they need the workforce, so if you are not contributing to the needs of the colony you are not even a person.

[@AlanGresov]

The setting of the Expanse is big government taken to its logical conclusion.

[@danilooliveira6580]

@@AlanGresov it has literally nothing to do with it, because humanity expanded, instead of US, china and Russia, we have UN, MCR and OPA. its the same scenario but in a bigger scale. what happened there is overpopulation, too many people, not nearly enough jobs.

[@AlanGresov]

@@danilooliveira6580 there aren't enough jobs because the UN controls everything, if you take a look at Mars, they have plenty of jobs, the Belt isn't hurting for employment either, it's not natural circumstances that create the helplessness of the UN, it's crushing oversight from the government

[@danilooliveira6580]

@@AlanGresov that makes absolutely no sense. mars has jobs because they lack manpower and have a LOT of things for people to work on. you know what happened when the ring opened and people started to lose interest in terraforming mars ? they started losing jobs. but Mars is just as authoritarian as the UN, even more actually. because the intention of the author was to say that terraforming was what was driving mars, no one lacked a job because they needed people to help with terraforming and making ships, when the rings opened, they stopped caring about that. while his intention for the US was a future we are basically driving towards, where there is too many people and everything is automation is taking over, meaning they simply don't have anything for so many people to do, so they do what they can to give them jobs, set up a lottery to choose who will get jobs, or give basic assistance so people can at least survive while they can't work.

[@manthroat]

A few more episodes guys and then boom it will really take off. Season 2 gets insane! Love this show!

[@LeeCarlson]

Most non-Earth ships tend to use 1/3 g (the surface gravity of Mars) which is treated as the standard for space. When the ship is not under power, there is no "down" and so you need to use mag-boots, or you float away.

[@Marvee78]

Your discussion was fun. This show uses known physics for mostly everything, the Epstein fusion drive and the adrenaline juice/medication being the exception. Eric is correct about the orientation of the Roci being like a building. Generation Films here on KZbin has done a very good breakup of the 7 different levels of the Rocinante, but can't watch that until after season 3, because spoilers.

[@pterabhi]

My favorite reaction videos of the week!

[@TheArrowedKnee]

My favourite show after the Mandalorian right now. But next week is where the mystery really begins to unravel, can't wait to see their reactions in the next coming weeks

[@pterabhi]

@@TheArrowedKnee agreed

[@benjaminodonnell258]

"Sir I promise I'm not being mendacious. One of my uniquitous problems is that my crew includes belters, Earthers and Martians and no one can understand each other in this polyglotal mess."

[@xtifr]

Top points for sentence construction, but if Alex had actually said that, it probably would have raised some serious questions, since an MCRN ship, even a black-ops one (perhaps especially a black-ops one) would be unlikely to have belters or Earthers. And any _former_ belters or Earthers would probably have had to learn at least one common tongue before being assigned together as a crew. That aside, though, love your post! ;)

[@benjaminodonnell258]

@@xtifr True, but a MCRN black ops ship *pretending* to be a tramp water freighter would be *pretending* to have a polyglot crew, and the point of the code words is in case anyone is listening...

[@xtifr]

@@benjaminodonnell258 Oh, good point! Ok, you're good to go then, but if you really want to top it off perfectly, you'll figure out how to add "donkeyballs"! :D

[@benjaminodonnell258]

@@xtifr "Sir I promise I'm not being mendacious. One of my uniquitous problems is that my crew includes belters, Earthers and Martians and no one can understand each other in this polyglotal mess. The whole situation is just donkeyballs!"

[@xtifr]

@@benjaminodonnell258 Damn, if I could give you more than one thumbs up, I would! ;)

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

🖤this series. Began watching it on SyFy in ‘15, but only finished last yr after a several yr lapse when it switched to Amazon (between Season 3 & 4 -thanks life!). I’m only a couple episodes in here, but I think each of you (esp Rick & Calvin), will love it. It’s my favorite SciFi series/movie ever & definitely the most scientifically honest/accurate one I’ve seen.🙏for your content!✌

[@peadarruane6582]

In the books, the handguns they explain use self-propelled rounds, not traditional 'slug throwers' so they don't have recoil, so that they don't act as a thruster. That basically if you had a traditional revolver, it would send you flying backward in low gravity environments.

[@LittleRavenHawk]

I can’t wait for you guys to see more about Amos.

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

With regards to the Martian ship, the engines stopped, so there wasn't any acceleration. G forces = constant acceleration. So without engines, the ship was no longer under thrust, it simply going at constant velocity. Without thrust, no force is acting on the ship or any of its interiors. So the people started to float. I think Aaron is confusing momentum with acceleration.

[@peadarruane6582]

When their thrust stopped.. they stopped accelorating. They need to be accelorating in order to generate 'Thrust Gravity'. You only get pressed into your car seat when you are accelorating, once you start cruising, you aren't anymore. Same in the xpanse.

[@mikedignum1868]

The Churn gives you some background info on what has happened to the world and how people live.

[@Tempest1816]

I’m so impatient. I can’t wait until you guys get further into the show. 😅

[@normalmighty]

I gave in lol, they're up to season 2 episode 1 for four-sight riders

[@samsam828]

There’s a good clip in the Mass Effect trilogy about firing big guns in space, you can here a officer giving a stern warning to the crew about firing battleship weapons in space, he talks about how you can’t miss because the projectile just keeps going threw space and you might just nuke some populated planet in far system

[@mickys333]

Someoe more experienced in this can perhaps clarify but from what I've been able to decipher: Well Walla, means something like "Well Dweller" as in someone that lives down a well, a gravity well. There is also words like copaing which i believe means friend or boyfriend in french. It seems to be used like buddy here in the show. Also the sign language I assume is to communicate in space when comms aren't working maybe?

[@Nazar_Melnyk]

Welwala means 'traitor to your people' (Miller was working for security corporation from Earth). I can't tell about all words, but I can translate some words: Beratna - brother (Beratna's Gas - fictional company for Roci) Ke - this word shows, that the sentence was a question Belta/Beltalowda - belter/people of the belt Inyalowda - inners 'planet dwellers' Pampa - smt like 'hey, old man'.

[@garrettsharpe1464]

The sign language is for non radio space communication when you're suited up. And from reading the books, they do a lot of hand language for "shrugging", "nodding", etc. Where the original body movement can't be visualized easily when in a suit.

[@Marvee78]

Yes. The belters use well walla/wallah as an insult for Earthers because they come from a gravity well. I am quite sure the word walla/wala in the Expanse comes from the hindi/urdu word for 'of' as we use it to describe anybody with some kind of profession or their origin, a milkman is doodh walla, a maid is safai walli, a sweet maker is mithai walla etc. It is an everyday expression, even used for surnames, specially by our Parsi (Indian zorostrian) community, Madraswala (from Madras), Batliwala or Screwwala (makers of bottles or screws). Surnames like these came into being under British colonial rule as the colonial administration required all Indian subjects to have a surname, which wasn't always a thing for all Indian communities, so some people just used their profession or their hometowns/cities/districts as their surname.

[@sabkobds]

welwala is traitor to the Belt - That is first thing Miller explains to Havelock in 1st episode. Literally it would be: obsessed with the gravity well, planet lover.

[@rabid_si]

@@sabkobds "Wel" literally means gravity well, "Wala" is literally "person" in hindi. It just means "person who lives on a planet". It's only an insult if intended to be one in context. It's like describing someone as a planet dweller purely as description and using it insultingly because you think that is a bad thing. Same words, different contextual meanings. Not inherent to the word itself.

[@dapeach06]

Omg Octavia Muss will now forever be "Cop Ock" to me 😂 I can just imagine J Jonah Jameson saying it

[@saraB94]

Can't wait for the next three episodes.

[@Haegemon]

6:30 The hat left behind is an important detail to note.

[@beni6493]

I think they noted it…

[@pauline3995]

8:03 good editing there X'D

[@NickyLunaLove]

They started floating when the Donnager got hit was bcs the engines cut out when the reactor went out, also those things that are mounted on either end of the ship that shoot lil puffs to make the ship turn are smaller rocket nozzles called RCS (reaction control system) thrusters!! they’re used on a good number of real world space craft

[@natashasullivan4559]

When the main engines turn off they start losing momentum. And then start losing gravity. So the moment the engines shut down. They automatically turn their mag boots on.

[@GSFBlade]

The bullets they use in space are self propelled to mitigate the recoil, and are less lethal than bullets we use today, they go into it a fair amount in the books.

[@Benjamas-]

I love the little interludes and zoom ins

[@computerking]

Wellwalla is a derogatory term for an "inner" (Earthier or Martian), because they Wallow (like pigs) in the (gravity) well (of planets). Also used for Belters with aspirations of living on a planet.

[@thontor]

Basic Assistance in The Expanse is NOT universal basic income. People on basic assistance are uneducated and live in government housing complexes on meager food consisting of gray-tasting textured protein and enriched rice. They have no income. They get minimal healthcare in government clinics and the clothing they get is made of recycled paper dispensed from automated kiosks. All of these services are provided free of charge, but people on basic are subject to mandatory contraception and cannot legally have children, apart from the regular "baby lottery" allowing for a small number of births each year.

[@pleaseenteraname4608]

So basically, it's like they took the current unemployment Benefit most countries have and shifted it in the exact opposite direction to UBI, while also scaling it up to handle massive unemployment rates.

[@zachgaskins3731]

@@pleaseenteraname4608 It's what could eventually be *forced* to happen if we don't either dismantle capitalism or at least rein it in with significant regulatory measures (UBI being one of these). Basic Assistance is more or less funded with a ginormous tax on the megacorps (of which Julie Mao's dad is a CEO...Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile).

[@NozomuYume]

They're not all uneducated. Some of them are very highly educated, but there's simply no work available for them. There are lots of free educational resources available to people (since digital education is relatively cheap to provide) but you have to win the lottery to actually get put on a career track. In the TV series we meet a character like that in season 2. The "minimal health care" is actually rather good as the automated health care is pretty darn effective. You're only screwed if you need specialist care from a living human doctor (but those can be found on the black market since there's so many unemployed people). Basically over half the planet has a crapton of free time and their basic needs taken care of. You can choose to spend that time learning through online courses, or just fapping to porn. If you choose to better yourself there is a very slim chance you might actually make it out of Basic. Even though you probably won't make it out, some people enjoy learning, and the skills you do learn could still be useful for the black market/crime. If you DO wind up being an exceptional self-starter though, and you qualify for and then win the lottery, you might actually move on to real university with real human professors and then get a real job. The best of that educated group is who Mars tries to poach -- offering them the highest average standard of living in the solar system (but you have to be willing to live under their regimented system and be viewed with suspicion as an Earther). Others are willing to try their luck in the belt, where you can make a lot of money if you play your cards right (e.g. the people selling shovels during the California gold rush) but there are few protections if you fail, in which case you might literally starve or asphyxiate, so most choose to stay on Earth and live on Basic.

[@LeeCarlson]

Whenever the ship is NOT under drive the mag-boots are needed because there is no DOWN.

[@benjaminodonnell258]

Having children on Earth is massively expensive because there are huge taxes to disincentivise it. And if you have a kid anyway, I think the kid ends up as a non-person with no ability to get a job and no entitlement to basic.

[@johnjungkook2721]

Torpedoes are like mini ships - same engine and burn, they have transponder codes, and they're all guided. So yes, there's an off-switch. Nobody's losing track of their torpedoes. Also, PDCs (point defense cannons) are short-range. I haven't read the books, but I don't think PDCs retain mass and momentum beyond a certain range.

[@phueal]

You don’t lose momentum or mass in space - the PDC rounds will carry on moving forever or until they hit something. But I imagine the cannons are too inaccurate to be effective beyond a short range - the ranges we’re talking about are astronomical after all.

[@garrettsharpe1464]

Amos talks about all the PDC rounds just running around in the solar system in book 6. The odds are tiny that you'll run into them, but the chance of dying from orbiting "spent" PDC rounds are not zero.

[@brilobox2]

Its 100% the accuracy and velocity, at beyond cqb range miniscule deviations can result in a miss. A target is also likely going to be moving very fast. Even a small speed or course change would do the same thing.

[@rabid_si]

"I don't think PDCs retain mass and momentum beyond a certain range" Of course they do. They are unguided kinetic projectiles... literally just a bullet. They keep going until they hit something or are acted on by another gravity well. The reason PDCs are close range only is because they are unguided and therefore easily dodged, or in other words only effectively reliable at closer ranges. If you actually managed to hit something at long range with a PDC, it would be just as effective as hitting at close range.

[@peadarruane6582]

The 'Basic Assistence' of the Expanse isn't the same as Universal Basic Income. Basic in the expanse is basically they give you food and a home, but no money, but you can't work or participate in education, unless your name pops up in a vocational lottery, you basically are mothballed. UBI they give you money, no strings attached, which you can spend as you wish, and you can participate in the economy, working to top it up, starting up your own business, pursuing education etc. As far as Alex's Indian Heritage, the Mariner Valley on Mars was founded by settlers from India, China, and a smaller population of Texans, but there accent caught on in the area. :)

[@Shibo77]

The Templin Institute has a nice overview of the Expanse universe ( /watch?v=bEQame19KVY ) that answers a lot of the in-universe lore. It uses scenes from up to the first half of season 2 but doesn't really contain any plot spoilers. Maybe you guys can react to it after 2x06.

[@leonardolf6974]

Marcando, pra encontrar o link mais tarde.

[@jarjared3522]

Hey look. It's Adam Jensen from Deus Ex!

[@coeusdarksoul2855]

Aaron needs to watch himself some Mythbusters... rofl Literally they did both of these! lol. Penny dropped from a skyscraper will sting, MAYBE cause a little scratch or bruise. Bullet fired straight up will come down at a terminal velocity that will do the same, if anything.

[@anonymes2884]

Just to be clear, bullets fired into the air can and do kill. Only bullets fired _literally_ *straight* up are mostly harmless (and even then, they can still potentially cause more serious injuries than scratches/bruises). That's from actual data on fatalities collected systematically by qualified researchers, not a TV show (much as I was a fan of 'Mythbusters').

[@robertwinslade3104]

I always forget how much the crew seem to really dislike each other in these early episodes; it's definitely one of the reasons why I think season 1 is probably the weakest of the show. All I'll say is that they really do start to feel more like a family as the show progresses

[@Jackmaaaan]

i think that makes the show even better. Groups evolve over time, they dont start instandly beeing like a family.

[@robertwinslade3104]

@@Jackmaaaan Totally agree; it pays off in the long run, but I also suspect it is one of the reasons why some people get put off this show during season 1

[@johnjungkook2721]

@@robertwinslade3104 I think that applies more to the first three episodes, where people get put off because of all the world building, not as much action, and the characters still being somewhat undefined. But after Ep 4, most of that changes.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@Jackmaaaan Yes. Significantly, none of the characters is presented as the clear "hero of the story." They are all presented with "ambiguous" moral character...we have to observe their actions to determine their moral characters. And even then, some remain ambiguous.

[@ssjwes]

Great edit! "I hope..."

[@FevnorTheWolf]

at 16:10 in regards to BASIC and the previous mentioned overpopulation in The Expanse, iirc Earth has a population of 30 billion people. Thats ALOT of people, and the reason BASIC exists. there just is not enough jobs for that many people.

[@douglas2938]

About Holden and land rights, you should also make the distinction that there are still "rural areas" like their farm in Montana so their claim of farmland works a bit different from cities, where space is even more limited. 20:30 Rick defines the problem with space-age marriage as a power-grabbing scheme through successive inheritances. 😂

[@XMachete]

Yeah, one of the things people misunderstand about overpopulation is, first, we’re already in overpopulation, and second, even at our most overpopulated, this planet will have to have wide open forestation, because otherwise we (and most animals) would die. I bring this up because the land rights Jimmy‘a parents are trying to preserve is a pretty extreme position to be taking (which is not my taking a pro-UN position. Both sides of the battle can be criticized in this case)

[@user-lv6rn9cf8m]

@@XMachete But we can fix the reason we're overpopulated, that's created by us artificially. There is no shortage on resources and if we do things right, Earth can sustain millions the time of our current population. In a few hundred years, our current population could fit in a single building (with the advances in materials, nanotechnology and ai). Highly recommend everyone to start watching Isaac Arthur's videos.

[@XMachete]

@@user-lv6rn9cf8m we can’t even wear masks in a pandemic.

[@Damo2690]

@@user-lv6rn9cf8m at millions times the current population, the Earth would start fetting pretty fucking hot. Thermodynamics

[@user-lv6rn9cf8m]

​@@Damo2690 Not necessarily. Different ways to go about it but with like a Matrioshka world we could just keep adding layers a huge number of times. But before we get to that point we'd have a huge population on space stations since that's easier. So millions of times the current population would be pretty far in the future. Just with current tech we could easily sustain well over 1 trillion at least.

[@maximechaillou6483]

Momentum don't create gravity, acceleration does. There is "no gravity" in ISS because the speed is always the same, so even without spin or whatever if the drive is out, there is no acceleration, so no gravity. And belters language have signs because of the space suits, it kinds of replace facial expressions when you do'nt see the face of the person who speeks

[@mannygee005]

to build on what Eric said, futurists say it like this ... (1) inexpensive energy will be solved in the future, it will be non-polluting plentiful and almost free. (2) advances in automation allow manufacturing of almost anything using the inexpensive energy (3) materials are also plentiful using free energy for mining or developing new materials, environment cleanup should be possible using free energy as well (4) the only thing left is information such as designs and plans for manufacturing whatever you need - but this is solved in part by Artificial Intelligence which augment science and engineering. So now almost all material goods are very inexpensive to almost free ... all because of free inexhaustible energy. So now human labor is not so much needed and everyone has to find work that is meaningful, in other words meaningless work is no longer required just to make a living - this is where Eric's Universal Basic Income (UBI) comes in. With a basic stipend given to everyone then people can redirect their thoughts and effort to higher functions versus just how to stay alive, it should change society when basic needs are less of a concern. Once you have some time to think then you begin considering end of the world scenarios such as volcanoes, meteor impact, pandemics, coral reef death through ocean acidification, bee colony collapse, etc. Then you begin to consider the natural lifespan of the Sun/Earth system and so you realize humanity must venture out and conquer space to be able to outlive the lifespan of the solar system. It takes a while to do this and so we can start now. The dream to terraform Mars and to give it an ocean, well that's a difficult thing. There are half measures but the best way is to create a magnetic field that protects its atmosphere from being blown away by the cosmic wind. The Silver Surfer knows about the cosmic wind but I digress.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"in other words meaningless work is no longer required just to make a living"_ There is no such thing as "meaningless" or "required/needed". _"so you realize humanity must venture out"_ There is nothing any organism "must". "Imperatives" are a myth.

[@roguefenixC55]

Good world building is showing not saying, any story that makes you want to know the extra details is doing it right

[@Karthos1000]

Belter Creole is different than the modern Creole that is mostly spoken in Haiti and New Orleans. But "Creole" means "a mother tongue formed from the contact of two languages through an earlier pidgin stage." Belter Creole combines English, Spanish, and... I'm not sure what other languages. I just recognize English and Spanish roots. Combine that with some of the slang, plus the gestures developed so that they're visible in vacuum suits (hard to see a head nod, a shoulder shrug, etc. in a suit) and you have a whole other language and culture.

[@PhoenixReturns]

Woo, first Adam Jensen episode! love this voice, love Deus Ex.

[@erickapenstein5628]

Mythbusters did the "bullet fired straight up" question and whether it can harm anyone it lands on.

[@dapeach06]

The gravity went away on the Donnager when the engines shut down, because they need acceleration from thrust to make simulated gravity. When the engines came back on, the gravity returned. It has nothing to do with spinning. It's just the engines being off. The flip and burn is usually halfway through their trip, because they accelerate half the trip, then decelerate half the trip. If they need to drastically change direction, they also have to flip and burn, because they have to cancel out their velocity in one direction in order to move in another direction.

[@emmanuelbaj3944]

Remember the Can’t.

[@Aulviss]

Speculation is great. They're gonna be SO surprised next ep. Hehe. Hehehehe. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@Elle1yt]

37:37 Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space

[@jounouchi123]

YEAH CREW BLINDWAVE IS DOING IT - best show after shield

[@BrendanBeckett]

8:00 lol nice edit

[@MH-hv1gf]

I LOVE jared harris in this

[@thomasplanquette424]

Damn' ! I want you to be already at episode 6 of season 3 so hard ...

[@xiongrey19]

“A mix of languages “ is the definition of Creole :)

[@badhival3779]

This episode should've been named "Donkey Balls"

[@ahdvd]

Don't know where you guys are watching it, but ‘watch your shoot’ is probably the edited version for broadcast when the original version was probably ‘watch your shit’. Syfy made seasons 1-3 and aired slightly edited versions for language where the online version was uncut. I recommend you get the uncut versions, Averserala especially is better when her language is fully uncut.

[@MS_25826]

They watch on Amazon. Watch your shoot is actually the line said.

[@AshSmashem]

I totally forgot that the Spy is the Voice Actor behind Jensen from the newer Deus Ex Series!!!

[@UrzuOfMythral]

They. Don’t. Have. Gravity. Generators 🤦‍♂️ some one get this man a txt book on physics

[@leahmarie112]

The belter language is like a mix of Creole and Afrikaans. Afrikaans is already a mix of French, German, English and some others. And for me that’s what I hear

[@EdwardLewisIV]

Fake gravity on the show: they are constantly going faster and faster. It's like being in a really fast car that is accelerating a car. Difference is cars stop accelerating once they get to top speed so you stop being pushed into your chair. The idea is that on the first half of a trip the ship is pushing up into your feet. Then on the second half of the trip the ship flips and you are going fast and the ship pushes up on you to slow you down.(when the ship isn't accelerating they don't have gravity)

[@Smileydood1923]

Trust me this show is worth it

[@coeusdarksoul2855]

Aaron's confusion at the gravity and how they're showing & not telling how the universe handles the physics is hilarious, and I feel bad for the poor guy! lol Go rewatch 1-6 bud!

[@danielfrancis3736]

Belter Kreyol is made up. Kreyol (Hatian Creole) is a language. And that word is also used to refer to a number of dialects derived from English/French/Spanish bases.

[@timokohler6631]

Creole is not a real language, Creol is the word for a language that is based on multiple languages. Some Linguist say English is a Creole because it is a mix of different germanic latin languages. Belter Creole is a mix of most langauges of the world. Mariner Walley Martians have a texan dialect, because many settlers came from Texas, because many also came from India and China they are basically texan speaking asians in the future. It's NOT the momentum that creates the gravity, it's the acceleration, ones the core is down there is no more accelerationn and therefore no gravity.

[@iarba]

We should tell them the Indian/Texas to Mars connection

[@christianroot8771]

When you will start reacting to the last part of Vikings? It's out already since 30th of December and all episodes are released

[@hebrewhammer9068]

Mormon mobile 😎

[@thomasmain5986]

Real world economics died a few deacades back, economics was designed to manage shortage, in a world where we have a excess why do we need fiscal conservatism. So governments borrow trillions and if they want more they print more, and indeed if we have a excess of food why not just give people a standard level of subsistence to pay for the food, regardless of their employment status, the idea that people should go hungry when their is a surplus is nuts. And if we have the technology to create a limitless supply of food no one needs to starve. But basic subsistence may get you fed and roof over your head it will be a limited existence.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_" the idea that people should go hungry when their is a surplus is nuts."_ Then we'd have a planet devoid of animals, plants and sealife, just a dead wasteland with how many billions of people looking to you to make them more food and oxygen so they can play videogames about the good old days and raise babies. _"And if we have the technology to create a limitless supply of food no one needs to starve."_ No one ever "needs", period. "Necessity" is a myth, human propaganda.

[@thomasmain5986]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps If the planet is devoid of animals and sealife and plants then its a dead planet. My sugestion is that you throw a blanket over humanity, feed them but convince them it is in their interest to control population, to a sustainable level I would say one Billion for the entire planet, that should allow space for natural eco systems to exist alongside humanity, this should be the goal of humanity, a goal reached by consent over time, on top of that expansion into the system where raw materials are abundent and we do not have to damage our own planet to obtain them. Only take economics out of the equation, and be nicer to those that obtain those resources from our solar system. And yes I tend to play Stellaris a lot rather than games about our past. I should add I aspire to the above, do I expect it to happen nah.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@thomasmain5986 _"If the planet is devoid of animals and sealife and plants then its a dead planet."_ Yes. _"My sugestion is that you throw a blanket over humanity"_ I don't know what that means. _"feed them but convince them it is in their interest to control population, to a sustainable level I would say one Billion for the entire planet, that should allow space for natural eco systems to exist alongside humanity,"_ Uh, we have eight times that today and the rain forests are almost gone and we're not slowing down in multiplying. _"this should be the goal of humanity,"_ Nothing "should" be anything. "Should" is a myth. _"a goal reached by consent over time, on top of that expansion into the system where raw materials are abundent and we do not have to damage our own planet to obtain them."_ We never "have to" anything, "imperatives" are also a myth. _"I should add I aspire to the above, do I expect it to happen nah."_ Sadly I'm pretty much the same.

[@XMachete]

I forget the details, but the guns are definitely not regular guns.

[@franciscooctavius5957]

Aaron thinks money actually grows on trees apparently lol. The conversation was a good one and the point is the money that has been spent is going to the ppl who need it least and/or the wrong set of “things”. Money isn’t infinite and eventually there’s too much and it becomes worthless because inflation sets in and a loaf of bread winds up costing $10. So ppl with less of it will turn to the government for assistance in order to survive. And the cycle repeats. I think the “basic” in the show is similar to this And yes - the writers have gone to great lengths to keep the physics real as possible.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"Money isn’t infinite"_ Of course not since "money" is a fictional thing. It's all pretense. _"and it becomes worthless"_ Everything is always "worthless" since "worth/value" is a fictional thing, a myth.

[@franciscooctavius5957]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps WTF what a useless reply man.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@franciscooctavius5957 The truth is useless? Facts are useless? "Money" only exists in the imagination. "Owning" only exists in the imagination. I don't "own" a single brain cell I use to think with. All the gold and oxygen in the universe did not line up at their local "value" station to get a full tank of it unleaded because organic life was about to come into existence and have feelings about them. "Value" or "worth" is a fictional thing, a myth. It only exists in the imagination.

[@Midnight7970]

Don't worry they'll be more like family soon 😅. I too don't like tension between them, but they become very close soon.

[@SyntheticaYT]

I don’t think any comments that hint about what is or is not coming later should be here. Only comment on what has already been shown, or if they ask.

[@Midnight7970]

@@SyntheticaYT said what I said, mind your business 🤷🏾‍♀️. It's a simple comment. You're the only person who has an issue.

[@SyntheticaYT]

@@Midnight7970 if you don’t want people responding to your comments, don’t make them?

[@shammendraeshwar433]

Adam Jenson!

[@tadcooper9733]

THE HAT!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@LeeCarlson]

I can tell that nobody in this group understands basic ballistics.

[@AbyssWatcher817]

Please react to Vikings season 6 ep 11