The Extremely Unique & Forgotten Way the Sith Ruled Their Empire Behind the Scenes

[@vitorpereira9515]

The Dark council ruled the Sith Empire but Darth Marr ruled the dark council. I have a deep respect for that guy. He deserves his own series!!!

[@LMG1792]

He really does

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I respect him as well.

[@kotanovakota]

kinda ironic that he dedicated his life to being and helping the sith that he never died as a sith

[@vitorpereira9515]

@@kotanovakota He died as a badass.

[@DM5550Z]

His career as a Sith was good but his tendencies made him disavow the Sith code

[@kiyanhakim384]

The dark council summed up: Sith Lords pleading to more powerful Sith Lords about why they should help them deal with that other Sith Lord they don't like. And somehow the answer is always: "Just fight it out lol"

[@sayvionwashington1939]

"You're a damn Sith lord! Just splatter their organs all over the wall like a normal person."

[@superjesse645]

Sometimes I feel like The Old Republic was more advanced than any other era in Star Wars.

[@theoneguest1]

A great period of expansion and vast knowledge

[@alexwest2573]

By far my favorite era, so much room for unique stories

[@TheWarmachine375]

"Enter the bureaucrats. The true rulers of the Empire. Wait a minute..." - a confused Darth Sidious

[@kiyanhakim384]

Trust me these guys were definitely not bureaucrats 😂😂

[@gardenpop]

The Sith: Power is all that matters! Also Sith: we must promote anyone with Sith pure blood.

[@QA-ut7dd]

Darth Marr is one of the greatest and most underrated Sith in Star Wars. He is powerful, charismatic, and serves a vital role in the story of SWTOR. His sense of duty and, for lack of a better word, personal honor, is quite something to behold, especially in a Sith.

[@romancapulus5577]

Darth Marr is my favorite He wasn’t a Sith Lord He was a Gigachad

[@emzonik8851]

He was indeed a chad. You could say, he wasn't a true Sith cos although it's usually the dark side which was the easy way, through his devotion to the Sith Empire he became selfless and ultimately joined the Light Side at the time of his death, becomming a Force ghost.

[@bjornhjorvardssen2336]

Sith LAWD

[@Mediados]

@@emzonik8851 I always hate when people say he "wasn't a true Sith", already labeling all Sith as evil and shitty. He was still absolutely on the Dark Side, the reason he ended up as a force ghost is because unlike other Sith, he did not completely disregard the Light. He knew that both sides are needed to understand the Force, but still followed the Sith Code.

[@emzonik8851]

@@Mediados Following the Dark side is always evil. The Sith are fundamentally evill, they build their power on evil. Marr was a dark side user however his selesness brought him close to the light. At the moment of his death he ultimately chose the will of the Force and rejected the dark. He may have still consider himself a Sith, but he no longer followed the Sith way. Otherwise he wouldn't become a force ghost. It's just the way it works, it has always worked this way. There are no true gray jedi in neither Legends nor the new canon.

[@Mediados]

@@emzonik8851 He followed the Sith Code all the way through. To pretend like he didn't simply betrays the purpose of a code. It is there to be interpreted, and whoever is strong enough gets a say in how the Sith work. He was not 100% Dark, but nobody ever said Sith need to be. I'd say 70/30 in terms of Dark/Light.

[@aster4jaden]

I love the Dark Council, especially the original version.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Picture them with their own talk show.

[@darthnox7958]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 EXACTLY

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@darthnox7958 it would be entertaining.

[@darthmephisto4625]

Darth Marr, the Defense and Security of the Empire is Paramount in this sphere.

[@Mediados]

I always loved that despite having no official leader, everyone knew Darth Marr was the person to listen to. By right he was equal with any other member of the Dark Council, but when he said something it was being done.

[@FinalFantasyArtist24]

Loved the Dark Council in The Old Republic! I always enjoy seeing stuff like an evil court of influential figures scheming and bickering amongst themselves. Probably stems from that legendary Death Star conference scene 😆

[@Mediados]

I mean it comes mainly from the fact that most Sith are egoists by nature. They will always want to get their own ideas through and disregard the others. Compromise is a rare thing.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Sith of KOTOR: "We have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to our new empire!" Jedi of KOTOR: "Your new empire?"

[@zexalbrony4799]

3:02-3:10: Now that sounds like a Battle I want to hear more about. 6:11-6:15: Diplomacy!? Who are you and what have you done with the real Sith?

[@Mediados]

The Sith Code never said anything about being unreasonable or having to be egoistic. Whoever is strong enough to prevail is in the right in the Sith Order.

[@kauyanDJ]

About your concerns: 1. Well...basically Darth Decimus get us the headstart, but some Darthes decided to treat it like a Monopoly board and... 2. You are a Sith Lord, not some Mandalorian, use Diplomacy.

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

​@@kauyanDJ The only problem is that hot headed and unconventional of diplomacy that seat on it. Darth Ravage. Honestly i rather see someone else better on that sear. Which remind me who do you better for the job.

[@SpartanRamen]

Favorite Dark Councilor? Clearly it has to be Darth Marr, that Giga-Sith among Sith.

[@holeeshi9959]

Darth Baras the wide, for his foresight in imprisoning the emperor, and his absolute girth.

[@IpromiseIamnotabot]

I was just looking up the Sith spheres in Influence the day cause I was bored. So this is perfect.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Darth Marr is the based Sith of all time. Change my mind.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

I counter with Darth Jadus, and his democratization of fear.

[@archades115]

You forgot to mention that the Sphere of Ancient Knowledge was also responsible for running the Sith Academies of Dromund Kaas and Korriban. As well as finding Force Sensitives to send to these Academies. Obviously my favorite Dark Lord was Darth Marr. But honestly, I rather liked Darth Thanaton too.

[@dhaburuk6494]

Fair point. If he wasn't intentionally made as an antagonist we might have learned to appreciate him.

[@weyjosh5213]

darth thanaton??? MY INQUISITOR WITH RED HAIR WANTS TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU!

[@Jedi_Spartan]

One fan theory/head canon I've seen is that the Dark Council duels in the Sith Warrior and Inquisitor storylines took place back to back or at least in the same afternoon.

[@akale2620]

All 8 storyline take place in the same time right?

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@akale2620 Roughly but for the Dark Council duels, I'm on about them happening minutes apart with Emperor's Wrath and Kallig passing each other as Wrath leaves and Kallig enters to duel Thanaton.

[@akale2620]

@@Jedi_Spartan damnit. Warrior and consular should have had some interaction then.

[@darthnox7958]

@@Jedi_Spartan would have been cool to pass by my sith warrior in the corridor outside the council chambers when I did the inquisitor storyline lmao

[@kalibi7276]

It didn't. Thanaton was physically in the Dark Council Chambers when the Sith Warrior dueled Darth Baras. Thanaton was already entrenched on Corellia before the Sith Inquisitor arrived. However, the Battle for Corellia was in full swing when the Sith Warrior arrived there. Darth Thanaton declared a Kaggath and was physically on Corellia trying to undermine the Inquisitor. There is no way he could have been engaged in a Kaggath, sabotaging the Inquisitor on Corellia, and then leave Corellia to travel to Korriban. Moreover, the events of the Sith Warrior Chapters 2 and 3 happened before the events of the Sith Inquisitor Chapter 2. So it is likely that while the Sith Inquisitor was hunting ghosts, Thanaton had the time to attend a Dark Council meeting on Korriban.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

Acina was one smart cookie. If Marr had any right hand it would have been her.

[@Mediados]

Personally I'd still go with Vowrawn. He always stays true to his word, and I have never seen a more cunning Sith Lord.

[@ansariansarisharafudeen]

Honestly the sphere of technology is probably the most powerful and hardest to achieve so props to acina

[@wanderdragon1075]

Darth Marr is just my favorite Sith Lord. Where so many of the Sith are shown to be egotistical maniacs in that era, he held the Empire together through the Emperor’s betrayal and led them well even before that

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Just need to complete Voss and Corellia then my Sith Inquisitor will get onto the Dark Council.

[@savagedarksider]

Just like how Darth Bane redefine the Sith. I will do the same- I present; the order of four, A master to be the embodiment of power, A apprentice to crave power, and two lackeys to be simple assassins.

[@hgill257]

Count Dooku I presume

[@savagedarksider]

@@hgill257 Count Dooku was A idealistic fool who just wanted to recreate the old Sith order but with Jedi turn Sith, which would never work.

[@Trathien-]

@@savagedarksider no

[@shaydowsith348]

@@levongevorgyan6789 the original Sith were fallen Jedi who interbred with the Pureblood Sith species. Ajunta Pall.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

@@shaydowsith348 Yeah, them too.

[@johnquach8821]

Very nice and interesting as a SWTOR player! I wonder what happened to the Sith Empire after SWTOR? I think it collapsed (at least by Darth Ruin's time)?

[@kiyanhakim384]

My head canon is that they eventually defeated the Republic and then destroyed the empire through infighting, leading the Republic and the jedi to rise again. It would also work with George's history where he said the sith once ruled the entire galaxy but they destroyed themselves through infighting, and eventually the jedi came to help the people trapped between the battles of the sith Lords and helped the galaxy rebuild after the sith destroyed it and themselves. It would also explain why the galaxy was less advanced by the time of Darth Bane.

[@nightfall3332]

@@kiyanhakim384 The true sith empire never defeated the republic though it was literally canon even before disney's takeover that the republic stood for 25,000 years until Darth Sidious dissolved it with the formation of the galactic empire.

[@dhaburuk6494]

@@nightfall3332 Only by a loose interpretation. The Republic was hardly consistent across those millennia. In AOTC Palpatine mentions the Republic had lasted a thousand years, so its hard to say what the in-universe technicalities are.

[@kiyanhakim384]

@@nightfall3332 I also thought about that that's why there is a super small and irrelevant republic left during that time as I didn't want to break the lore. And once the sith start infighting, the republic starts becoming a bigger player again. On earth too, France has stood for over 1000 years but it had moments of strife or moments where half of it was conquered or even where everything was conquered.

[@Mediados]

The Dark Times follow the Fall of the Old Republic, so guess who wins the war.

[@shanenolan5625]

Or a theocratic oligarchy.. with the emporer as the head of state/ and spiritual leader , with the dark council. Operating as a college of cardinals. ( pope/ roman Catholic Church) with its various orders and offices

[@Mediados]

I think the Empire was an effective aristocracy. The Emporor left long ago, and they all knew they had to rule the Empire without him. The only reason no one claimed the Throne is because of infighting.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

I wonder which one would win in a fight. The Dark Council in the swtor era or the Jedi High Council in the Clone Wars era?

[@johnquach8821]

SWTOR Dark Council I believe Clone Wars era Jedi High Council had gone too long without fighting strong opponents.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@johnquach8821 AKA peace is anathema to power. Peace is a lie.

[@savagedarksider]

@@DarkAdonisVyers There's only passion (...)

[@QA-ut7dd]

@John Quach I dunno, man. The Jedi Council, especially depending on the iteration, have some pretty major cards up their sleeve. Yoda is probably still quite a bit more powerful in raw Force ability than even the strongest Council member, Windu's superconducting loop is basically the ultimate trump card against most of the Sith on their Council, Obi-Wan and Plo Koon are among the greatest duelists of their era, and if they're bolstered by Oppo Rancisis' battle meditation, who was arguably more proficient with the ability even than Yoda... that's a pretty imposing combo already.

[@dhaburuk6494]

@@QA-ut7dd It also matters a great deal if you take a peace-time or war-time Jedi High-Council. The Clone Wars made warriors out of their best one way or another.

[@kiyanhakim384]

I love it when yall drop swtor videos

[@nickvinsable3798]

🤔 . . . I honestly believe that the sphere that was responsible for the mobilization of supplies is far more important than any other sphere, in its own way. Question: is the Jedi council similar? 12 Jedi, each ruling one sphere & such?

[@dhaburuk6494]

Most likely, though without the scale of running the Republic so it goes largely unnoticed that certain Council members handle specific fields of administration.

[@akale2620]

No, the Jedi council didn't have any spheres

[@nickvinsable3798]

Note: if there is a misunderstanding, I will acknowledge it, @@akale2620. I technically disagree. During the prequels, from _Phantom Menace, The_ to _Revenge of the Sith_ , the Jedi Order did have their spheres, but they stayed within the Jedi Order & not the greater Galactic Republic. What I’m asking is if their authority stretched outward due to extenuating circumstances & such…

[@namelesssomebody2557]

Darth Imperius is the best.

[@shaydowsith348]

You forget Darth Occulus. Keep 'em guessing.... (Imperius is LS, Nox is DS, Occulus is Neutral)

[@CC--jk6cr]

Darth Rectus has to be my favorite. 😊

[@BrassPlayr]

Darth Rectum

[@weyjosh5213]

who tf is that

[@shaydowsith348]

you forget Darth Syphllis (robot-chicken reference - see emperor palpatine in robot chicken video)

[@holeeshi9959]

you didn't mention who led the sphere of military offense: the glorious and absolutely brilliant Darth Baras the Wide

[@Mediados]

Piece is a lie, there is only the whole pie Through pie, I gain fat Through fat, I gain girth Through girth my belt is broken, and my belly is free.

[@willclark7197]

Darth Marr is a badass

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

The sith love constantly expanding their military and navy.

[@crazyviking24]

Logistics was the most important.

[@darklonermage1]

Darth Marr

[@chrismckee3415]

My Top 3 dark council members is Darth Nox Darth Marr and finally Darth Vowrawn

[@ChuvaktheGreat]

Sith armies are so cool

[@msalinastb5093]

Question, where did you acquire this information/knowledge of the sith’s empire and its spheres? Is it a book or comic, just wondering becuz I would like to look it up and inquire about them myself. If possible let me know what they’re called thanks and may the sith biths be with you lol… may the force be with you, always… ✌🏼

[@Mediados]

You get most of it by playing SWTOR and reading Old Republic books. The different stories really flesh out the organization of the Sith Empire.

[@kauyanDJ]

You may check SWTOR's Codex entries.

[@lerneanlion]

Militarily, the Galactic Empire of Darth Sidious might be better than the Sith Empire. But socially, the Sith Empire overseen by the Dark Council is at least a little better than the Galactic Empire.

[@Mediados]

Absolutely not. The fact that the Sith Empire employed a Dark Lord around almost every corner alone makes them a lot stronger than Sidious' Empire.

[@matearas7787]

Sith one was vastly superior in military as well as general. Life later on when acina takes over

[@Degenevesting]

God f**king dammit how hard is it to get a godamn old republic era sith storyline? Why?! They’re the single most awesome “bad guy faction” in all of pop culture, with thousands and thousands of years of lore. I just want a Sith centred story, from before the rule of two. Even if it’s Darth Bane and the namby pamby Brotherhood of Darkness.

[@JediSentinal]

sphere is logistics would get my vote for most important.

[@jakethornton4856]

I was waiting to find out what sith had to degrade themselves by being in charge of stuff like agriculture and civil services

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Behold the dark side of cooking. Seriously, in Venus Blood Frontier, a dialogue option choosing between Imperial food and the local food is, for some reason, a moral choice (dark side points, if you choose Imperial food; light side, if you choose local food). Also, there's that line in Dies irae that a burger and fries isn't the best for you, but it's quick and easy and thus more accessible than the health nut stuff. Combine that with the fact that McDonald's burgers don't rot easily, and how is that _not_ the dark side of the culinary Force?

[@jakethornton4856]

@@DarkAdonisVyers Isn't Dies Irae that anime with the bad nazies? I just have to clarify they are bad because of Speedwagon. its been so long since i watched it

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@jakethornton4856 "Speedwagon". What?

[@shaydowsith348]

That would be the one in charge of logistics.

[@dangi6516]

It may not be a very sith position, but logistics are important and as Darth Vowrawn himself said "soldiers must be fed after all"

[@Havoclegionpainting]

Please credit the artists of the images used in your videos. I love the channel, but things like not crediting artists puts me and others off.

[@wintersking4290]

My favorite is myself as Kallig (Darth Imperius/Nox/Occlus)

[@jimmysmith2249]

Darth Rectus? He hardly knew us!

[@samstupakevich5908]

Darth Jadus was the the council member in charge of Imperial Intelligence

[@michaelandreipalon359]

A good thing spheres can be crossed like lines, while pyramids can collapse over time.

[@lordofpain3476]

Diplomacy is only good until you are ready to attack . The same with treatys , as long as they work out in your favor....... until you are ready to attack .

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

See that playthrough of Total War 3 Kingdoms where someone decided to (mostly) peacefully conquer the land via rice deals... Note _mostly_

[@jackieanderson9408]

This was sweet 👍

[@Furonanator139]

Soooooooo anyone else want a game of thrones style (not the ending) series about the old sith empire?

[@ToddAdams1234]

That 12th sphere led by Darth Rectus. Rectum hell, it could have killed ‘em 😂

[@HypnoBrix]

You are my favorite KZbinr

[@MrChristophSteininge]

There are versions of the game where Vowrawn is emperor. I am not entirely sure why this is and what parameters lead to it.

[@HypnoBrix]

Great video

[@AdamWright-hk5ym]

After the rule of 2. It will be the rule of 1.

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

"Light side sympathizers are hunted down"... *Laughs in Lide Side Wrath of the Empire, who first betrayed the sith to the jedi while still on Korriban*

[@Mediados]

I always play a Dark Sider with honor, meaning I am fully loyal to the Empire but will not be an ass. But fuck Dark Jaesa.

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

@@Mediados fair enough xD I played a full on dark side Inquisitor and found it quite boring 90% of the time. My main is a LS sith warrior and I've had a great time with that char xD I played more pro-imperial rather then pro-sith.

[@Mediados]

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 I mean many Sith situations basically give you the options "I will use this situation to further my goals and strengthen the Empire" or "Fuck all of you, I want kill."

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

@@Mediados jep. Tho being more diplomatic and honorable as the jedi you meet and confusing the force out of them is also quite funny xD

[@Mediados]

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 A certain ambush comes to mind. Truly one of the best moments.

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers great lore

[@dantejones1480]

This is Lawful Evil, the Spheres serve as the symbol of how to evil government right.

[@matearas7787]

Vitiates empire couldve been argued to be evil but not acinas

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Two there should be. No more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it.

[@Mediados]

Yeah, that's how the Sith almost died. Pure egoism is what turned the Order into a bad joke of it's former glory.

[@apathyreview3964]

Shredder was a sith.

[@Creeperinblue]

yo who's this new narrator ?

[@RyansDad947]

Vowrawn - Vow - raw - n not Varon

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: Why Obi Wan is the Best Jedi in Star Wars

[@dhaburuk6494]

You may find something similar among older Geetsly's videos.

[@mernzerek]

interesting, I find similarities in the deaths of obi wan and darth marr... the best jedi and the best sith to me

[@akale2620]

But he's not. Just an overrated plot armored goon

[@shortfilmsstudios1739]

Hey

[@aloysiuskalligunderratedsi8861]

Darth Nox

[@joshbull623]

I hated the sphere simply because those forms of government annoy me due to their efficiency. The people in the Republic had it right, if laws must be passed upon the people, let it be only through a delegation of over 2,000 people trying to agree on things. Bureaucracy is the key to any successful government not drastically overnight stealing power, it can't get anything done, but it is safe. Having 5 or 12 people trying to think of new ways to oppress and seize power, well that is just different context and 12 Angry Men the movie which was 1h35 minutes. 1h35 is what you have to stop laws and regulations that could put you in chains, no thanks.

[@alphabond1116]

Seems strange for the Sith, who are build on a philosophy of individual strength and competition, to build a bureaucratic system where spheres may have to cooperate together to succeed. Just seems like these spheres would be doomed to butt heads eventually. No wonder it was later reduced. Note: Never played the Old Republic games (yet).

[@Valkyraw]

The reason it worked was for the Emperor himself. Yes there was competition between the Sith, even at that time. But no one questioned the rule of the Emperor. Those who did perished the next day. Vitiate was so powerful, when he heard that half of the Dark Council, the most powerful sith in the empire after the emperor himself, planned to kill him, he summoned them the next day and killed all 12 Dark Counciler, like they were insects. Competition was normal and it was even encouraged, but no one could question the Emperor or compete with him. That was a basic rule which almost all followed and those who didnt died not long after. The Emperor Vitiate had unimaginable power due to his Ritual on Nathema.

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate ruled the Empire State with care.

[@gcanaday1]

What a convoluted cluster.

[@hgill257]

“Our modern ministries” Me:….who’s WE

[@blamegamemaster551]

I hate Kathleen Kennedy

[@androxtempest3913]

Who?

[@helghannationalist9798]

Bro how you change your voice like that wtf?!?!?

[@Tyler-k2o]

Christians extremists have the same thing in America called the 12 mountain mandate. 😢

[@HypnoBrix]

Frist

[@shaydowsith348]

only one criticism. Pronounciation. Ilum is pronounced ill-um, not eye-lum. Ah-DEE-gun crystals, not ah-DYE-gun crystals.

[@gleo2107]

I am sith lore sponge