The fall of the House of Cadmus - Iseult Gillespie

[@KINGBADASS100]

I love how every Greek myth in a modern context just makes the gods come across like complete psychopaths

[@ThrillSeeker3524]

It's an allegory for the harsh and unpredictable nature of ancient living. They did believe in these gods, but consistently debated the nature of everything around them.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

That's not a good way to use the word but yea they are forces of nature, cruel or kind, lucky or unlucky on a coin toss (by that I mean they are volatile like the forces of nature)

[@starmaker75]

To be fair, gods in Greek mythology were also reflection on nature, fate, etc and give in those times where one unfortunate event can be the death of you, it was reflected by the mythology. For example Artemis was the goddess of hunting and likes, both the good and the bad of it. As sure she can protect you from the danger of wilderness, but she can also be danger herself.

[@user-zg4pw2nu8i]

Indeed. If Kratos was part of these myths he would gladly avenge humankind and the Olympians pay for their crimes.

[@NDAsDontCoverIllegalActs]

Have you read the Bible? Dude is a covert and overt narcissist.

[@peterchung2262]

i like how Europa got kidnapped early in the story and is never mentioned again.

[@bilalattal2707]

And interesting to discover that the name of Europe is Phoenician meaning west or where the sun set

[@videogollumer]

Her story is a another mess of shenanigans.

[@juanprada4410]

There is a version in which Europa arrives at the marriage of Cadmus and Harmonia as a guest, at least they were reunited here.

[@mastermelee2543]

got the Yue treatment turned into a moon

[@videogollumer]

@@mastermelee2543 Yeah; the same thing happened to Phobos, Deimos, Ganymede, Callisto, Io, Mimas, Triton, and Charon among many others.

[@EdwardChen-c4z]

I’ve heard some of these myths separately but never knew it was all in a family. That’s amazing.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

Yeah I heard Cadmus here and there and recognized from Dc Comics stuff but this is the first time im seeing the source that links them

[@thenovicenovelist]

Weirdly enough, I've read multiple mythology books including "Mythology" by Edith Hamilton and "The Library of Greek Mythology" by Apollodorus (I can't remember who translated it) and I still learned a couple of new myths from this video.

[@alonachiong666]

God's missing with a whole generation

[@videogollumer]

@@thenovicenovelist *Pseudo-Apollodorus

[@ChurnBlob]

Same! Didn’t they were all connected and were family

[@DrunkMurray]

"When Hera learned that Zeus had been unfaithful...yet again" GIRL LEAVE HIM

[@leitmotif7268]

That’s what sucks about being the goddess of marriage and the home - no divorce

[@samimas4343]

She can't. She's his mother and his wife.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

@@samimas4343 I can see the confusion, but his mother is the Titan Rhea

[@HerMi.T]

@@samimas4343 she is his older sister and wife not mother.

[@redashura9255]

​@@samimas4343 are you nuts ? check the Olympian Gods family tree again

[@raddifsheikh1736]

Women: exist Zeus: Welp, time to start a new myth!

[@akhromyn]

Ganymede too 💔

[@srenjoybhattacharya2618]

With gods like this, why need demons?

[@michaeljonathan9715]

"Are you trying to defend yourself from a giant serpent that end your friends's life and if you don't self defence then yours too ? I'll punish you with punishing your children which has nothing to do with killing th serpent and your other children and then turn you and your husband into snakes to finally 'repay the debt' of defending yourself against our totally normal pet"- probably the gods

[@songyu1356]

@@michaeljonathan9715 Worse still, Harmonia was Ares' daughter...and she did nothing...

[@vilzeit8740]

@@michaeljonathan9715What would you do if someone broke into your garden and killed your guard dog in self-defence? We shouldn’t forget that Cadmus really did commit a crime, even though he didn’t know better and the punishment was definitely not proportional.

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

The christian God is still worse

[@HerMi.T]

​@@vilzeit8740 but he didn't break the ares's garden and he killed the serpent in self defense.

[@Nexit1337]

why every greek mith starts with Zeus committing crimes 💀

[@millie698]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@oracleofdelphi4533]

If only people would stop listening to the Oracle of Delphi...

[@Jgaldragon]

He is the god of one night stands after all.

[@PlatformingCyndaquil]

We might never know.

[@prcervi]

because someone was going to get the short straw of deeds when being composited/splintered from deities of older, forgotten religions

[@AyubuKK]

The gods meddling in the lives of people causes so much chaos for the people they toy with. If you catch the attention of the gods, you might as well consider your life ruined.

[@markmunroe-hz8rf]

The Olympian gods were real bastards.

[@slasher19necroslayer42]

Lol true. The only good ones from them are Hestia and Hades, who are more friendly, compassionate, not corrupt, not petty, understandable and just. Not to mention that they never meddles with affairs of mortals (us), only doing when we pray or bargain to them.

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

Yahweh is worse

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

I think Kronos is still alive despite their best tries so theyre more like figurative ones hehehe

[@Bruced82]

Lots of pantheons are like this, infighting and cruelty. The Norse were pretty insane too.

[@bcjmythical9576]

​@@Carlos-bz5oook now I'm curious, explain how

[@camerongrow6426]

Oracle: "Go found a new city somewhere," Cadmus: "What about my sister?" Oracle (sarcastic): "What about your sister?" Every divine force in the universe just hated this family.

[@LordDaret]

Cadmus was exiled from his home city until he returned with his lost sister. When he visited the oracle, they basically went “yeah, the gods spirited her away. There is no way you’re going to find her.”

[@kukuhprayoga386]

Also Delphi : " Forget about your sister. when Zeus catch her, is another new myth story. Just follow my advise and you're gonna be fine." *Rolled his eye out with sarcastic giggle *

[@triocatsinthehousedailydos2737]

Funny thing is Ares didn't do anything bad in the story, he said something when his snake was killed and then that's it.

[@jonathanprisbrey9473]

Knowing Aries I thought he would have actually been impressed and blessed him. meant as in "you will be a serpent" as in like you would lay low and strike in battle

[@joshuaduncan4010]

@@jonathanprisbrey9473I love that take on Aries character

[@arvayahrozier4402]

@@jonathanprisbrey9473 That's what I thought as well. Not to mention that this snake would have killed the men otherwise, so what was Cadmus supposed to do, let it kill them? Keep your pets on a leash people.

[@thenovicenovelist]

​@@arvayahrozier4402 I could just imagine Aries with a giant serpent and a modern day person walks up to him and demands that he put his snake on a leash. Then, Aries does something unexpected like apologizes and says he's new to the neighborhood.

[@arvayahrozier4402]

@@thenovicenovelist Knowing Aries, he would probably feed that person to his snake instead. But it would be nice if the gods would calm down every once in a while.

[@mouadbousalem1151]

Princess exists: "AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS."⚡🤣

[@rudyjuanito]

He hurled his "thunderbolt." He "zapped!" 😉

[@AdanSolas]

And then inside came Zeus. 😂😂😂

[@jazzinikki01]

😂😂😂😂

[@lorelai2980]

I really like this channel. In just a few minutes, I find myself so knowledgable about a subject I never would've searched before.

[@atlasprime6193]

“Besieged by bad luck…” Bruh, these were crimes committed by the gods themselves for their ego and vanity. Athena seems to be the only sane one.

[@CarmenTaylor-g8e]

Arachne: "Am I a Joke To You??"

[@roxycempron5781]

There is still Hestia.

[@starcapture3040]

She was narcissistic and spoiled. Goddess of hearth Hestia was the only san one.

[@oscarandreas1431]

@@starcapture3040Hestia, Hades and to a lesser extent Heapeastus (not perfect but he is in the right direction) Are the few wich Are acctualy nice enough

[@Bariom_dome]

By a not so high margin.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Makes you appreciate how chill Jesus was.

[@victorwayne5226]

My thoughts exactly

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

Then you haven't read the Bible

[@nathalie_desrosiers]

@@Carlos-bz5oo He did not say "how the people in the Bible were chill". Because they were pretty f@cked up. He said Jesus was chill. And chill he was.

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

@@nathalie_desrosiers No, I am referring to Jesus specifically. Consider his violent moments like in the market place. You musn't have read the Bible if you seriously think he wasn't prone to violence

[@samimas4343]

You disregard that Christians believe Jesus to be the god of the Old Testament who ordered the jews to kill innocent women and children. Also, when Jesus comes back, he won't be so chill. "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Luke 19:27

[@jrhooman]

they punished him for just defending himself

[@Bruced82]

It's like breaking a sacred law, doesn't matter if by accident or necessity, you get cursed.

[@oceanberserker]

Nope. This was all Hephaestus' fault because he wanted getback on Aphrodite for cheating on him with Ares.

[@LordDaret]

I don’t think they did. When you usually see the gods punish people like in the Odyssey or other stories, it’s pretty direct and personal with a god. However here, it all comes off as if it really was just bad luck. Someone even pointed out Ares may have been complementing Cadmus when he beat the serpent, since he IS god of the battlefield and would love to see the bloody fight. The reason why they transformed him at the end was because he tempted the gods by saying something to the effect of “if you all are punishing my family, then you may as well turn me into to a snake!” Then his wife did the same after he finished transforming.

[@mpfunomkhwebane5362]

@@LordDaret wait isn't Harmonia a goddess? why is she even in this, she's supposed to be dining with her mother in Mt Olympus. Why is it demigods like Herakles got to be full on gods and enjoy curse free immortality and Harmonia had to be cursed and die and sent to Elysium.

[@l.n.3372]

how ironic: I was recently looking up Greek based names for an original character, and Cadmus was among the names that I was considering. his myth was interesting to learn about on my own research, and equally fascinating to learn about through Ted Ed's wonderful art style.

[@b.b.b.b.b.b.b]

I have an OC named Cadmus as well!

[@14_mmHg]

Noticed that this was animated by the same artist who did the Oiwa episode. The myth was beautifully portrayed and I felt their animation style was very much fitting for the video!

[@zawwin1846]

Kratos was right.

[@YuniraFerinia]

Should has recognised that the baby was a rock

[@bioalkemisti]

"Unfaitful, yet AGAIN" Greek mythology summed up

[@bravo8862]

please keep making more videos on these greek myths, i love them

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Harmonia: "Oh father, I fell in love!" Ares: "Really? With whom?" Harmonia: "An handsome warrior! He founded a city! What was his name....Ah yes, Cadmus" Ares: "Oh daughter, I'm happy for y-wait, what was his name again?"

[@austinkendrixfadera1705]

The thing was, He worked for Ares for 8 years as penance for killing his serpent. After that, he allowed Cadmus and Harmonia to get married.

[@markjosephbacho5652]

​@@austinkendrixfadera1705Funny how Harmonia is the goddess of harmony, yet even she couldn't keep bad luck at bay. Useless goddess. Lol.

[@lunawolven2390]

@@markjosephbacho5652 How can you avoid bad luck when you already wear bad luck? (AKA the necklace of Haephaetus)

[@fliedream]

I love Greek myths but it feels like every five videos has a Greek one. I can only listen to the Greek gods being crazy so much. Would love to see more cultures covered. Indian, Australian Aboriginal, Slavic, First Nations, Central African, Mesopotamian, Welsh…the list is endless.

[@mer-ka-ba-]

I just love the image on 0:16 it’s so beautiful. Poster worthy

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

That explains the name in DC Comics, the government beefing with superheroes thinking themselves heroes beefing with gods

[@QuintenWhyte]

Project Cadmus

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

@@QuintenWhyte indeed

[@LuqmanHakim-bj6ge]

That "yet again" felt personal 😅

[@franciscol3510]

Something that I think is missed on us modern audiences about the ancient myths is the concept of Destiny that the Greeks had, which I can't properly articulate sadly

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

They were known for their tragedies, in which people have to face a choice that is both impossible and obvious, doomed to fall

[@Margaret-yv9ed]

I think I can: One always meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it. (If that sounds familiar, it’s from Kung Fu Panda)

[@samstromberg5593]

????

[@Thought_Processing_]

Meanwhile in the Underworld. Hades: Guys please, he didn’t deserve this. None of them deserved this.

[@satheeshart]

The content is a cut above the rest. Keep setting the bar high!

[@ajaygopal2208]

The animation and colors are really, really good!

[@leolu1401]

Oh my god we literally just read the Bakkhai last semester (Bakkhai deals with Dionysus absorbing Agave and Autonoë into his Bakkhic rites and tricking them into killing Pentheus - the child that the video mentioned - for his hubris against him. Cadmus was like the One good guy in the story aside from Tiresias. Involved a bit too much wine, blood, and ... bulls for a classroom setting.) Awesome video TedEd!

[@betterchapter]

Whoever came up with the greek mythology is one high mf and one helluva storyteller.

[@senshai1267]

To be honest ' naga shapam' is deeply rooted in Hinduism as well . There are prayers and poojas (rituals ) offered in the name of naga ( snake ) to relieve people affected by the curses to this day .

[@AsmrMoonRoom]

This is a video with very beautiful animation and a beautiful voice, thank you, beautiful art, the artist's hand is magnificent❤❤❤

[@karilynnwilson8967]

I could cry I love these!!!!!

[@PipingPlover-ti5nv]

You have to admire the art as well as the musical choices; it all fits so well with the video’s style! I always enjoy it when a new mythology video is released!

[@Blue_Luigi]

This video's voice reminds me of The Narrator of Slay The Princess, or just my personal definition of a "narrator voice", I love it.

[@drybones1131]

The narrator for “Slay the princess” is a guy named Johnathan Simms. He does great narration and I love his work with Magnus Archives. If you like horror content I couldn’t recommend checking it out more.

[@ecstasycheese7390]

Oh I LOVE Slay the Princess

[@Thankwikipedia]

Okay. But what happened to Cadmus’ sister Uropa?? They took her to Olympus? Okay. How did founding the city help. I’m confused

[@SchoolVideosGoHere]

Lol I'm pretty sure he just forgot about it. Founding a city took priority over saving his sister I guess ha Edit: His father told them not to come back without his sister - they were essentially exiled. So after searching they gave up and did what the oracles told them.

[@Beregond35]

If I remember correctly, the Oracle pretty much told Cadmus to forget about Europa, he'd never find her, hence the building a city - he couldn't go back to his realm without her, so he might as well start a new life. Fun fact: Europa was a Phoenician princess, so Zeus carried her over to an 'unknown continent' to hide her. That continent was named Europe in her honour.

[@Thankwikipedia]

@@Beregond35 thank you! I always enjoy mythology but sheesh it’s complicated sometimes

[@Beregond35]

@@Thankwikipedia It really is! The fact there are so many variations of the same myths doesn't help either. But damn if they aren't interesting. :)

[@moritzmartini4132]

Zeus kidnapped Europa and took her to Greece, more specifically the island of Crete. There Zeus transforms back and, according to many versions, grapes Europa, together they have three sons named Minos, Sarpedon and Rhadamanthys. She also married the king of Crete. Europas son Minos later also becomes king of Crete and marries Pasiphae, the daughter of the titan sun god Helios, and together they also have many children, including a dauhter named Ariadne who later marries the olympian wine god Dionysus and in some versions even gets immortalised and becomes a fertility goddess herself.

[@shilpasahoo017]

At our university classes one of our professor said, "A myth never dies. It's always carried out through human existence".Now I realize the truthness of it. Thank you Ted-Ed for this amazing video. Actually every video of Ted-Ed is excellent. I definitely love them always.

[@pmgmsd]

Jeez, these gods were the worst. I mean, Cadmus and friends did as the Oracle said, this never mentions if he even got Europa back, and yeah, this was all started by Zeus, who was never held accountable for his actions...

[@Margaret-yv9ed]

Europa ended up on the island of Crete, where she had some kids with Zeus, and no one back home ever saw her again. Fun fact: Because no one knew where Europa disappeared to, her name came to mean “those places we don’t know much about.” The Greeks started to call the lands north of them Europa, or Europe.

[@mecahhannah]

❤ Awesome as always thanks

[@Helije7]

Such a beautiful animation! Reminds me of that earlier Ted-Ed video of the star-crossed lovers.

[@Demetrius900000]

WTF?! I understand Kratos completely now it seems.

[@asankajayaweera7212]

That story is really heart-rending.

[@AhJong0]

HECTOR!....HECTOR!.... HECTOR! Amazing video 😊

[@Telawin]

"Besieged by bad luck" bad luck implies some element of randomness... everything bad that happened was Zeus and Hera's fault (Mostly Zeus's but the ability for any of the gods to punish him is limited at best) also a bit of Artemis but the whole "walk in on my bathing pool get turned into a deer" seems like a perfectly reasonable response. Ares didn't do anything except get mad about his snake dying... Side note Ares gets snubbed in basically every myth he's in: trapped in a jar for months, getting stabbed by Diomedes in the siege of Troy (and then mocked for it by Zeus), and his pet snake getting killed.

[@angrygoose23]

Cadmus: Oracle, my father has sent me to you for guidance on how to rescue my sister! Oracle: Okay dude, so here’s what you’ve gotta do. You’re gonna find this holy cow. You’re gonna _follow_ this cow. And then, WHEN IT LAYS DOWN, you’re gonna found a city in that _exact. spot._ Cadmus: …but that has nothing to do with- you know what, never mind

[@EvilLince]

Love the animation style!!!! ❤❤❤

[@aniafernandez491]

Love the illustrations and animation ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ soooooo amazing!!! 😻

[@raykha4560]

Next level art direction ❤

[@عبدالعزيزألأزرق-و5ي]

The story & animation is very astounding

[@jangzhang7323]

Every myth starts with Zeus abducting women.

[@marieinthesky92]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how beautiful the animation is?

[@21Lazuli]

3:41 LOL I'm thinking of Yoru Ni Kakeru

[@AlbertM170]

Let's not forget that Oedipus was also a descendant of Cadmus. Enough said.

[@toadonaroad]

Can someone explain what happened with the second and third wish I don’t really understand the ending

[@littledragongirl10]

So his tragedies all started because zeus couldnt keep it in his pants yet again...

[@SkvelaPolevka]

Local god fucks everything up yet again (litteraly)

[@zzz7903]

3:55 “…which Cadmus traced back to the time -“ - Zeus dropped by the first time? “- he killed the serpent.” Oh.

[@choryllis6646]

At least with most other myths of mortals being punished, it was deserved in some way (of course excusing all the women Zeus and Poseidon assaulted). Here, Cadmus just wanted to do right by his friends and family. Punished for trying to find his sister after Zeus was done with her, punished for defending his men, punished for having kids, punished for having grandkids.

[@Wyattinous]

0:17 Ares just hiding behind Zeus poking people 😂😂😂 There’s something so funny about the idea that the Gods are just lounging above the ether, futsin around with mortals for no good reason. Just imagine you feel a supreme being pokes you out of nowhere 😂

[@gustavocarvalholoboleite3526]

Hey Ted -ed sugestion make a video about the Los Angeles ritos of 1992.

[@mindless5508]

Where can I find such stories..like is there any book??

[@caoimhe_and_niamh]

I really thought Ares would strike back and punish Cadmus' descendants until the end of time but he seemed chill after a while.😅

[@moriahistoria714]

There’s more too! Hephaestus hated Harmonia for being Ares and Aphrodite’s daughter, so he gave her a magic necklace that cursed her with misfortune, which was why her family met such terrible ends.

[@Hronika-kw5pl]

Why am I not surprised that it was Zeus, YET AGAIN

[@kaze987]

Highly recommend the audiobooks Mythos and Heroes by Stephen Fry for those who love Greek mythology

[@perroraton9515]

Awesome!!!

[@user-ny7hm5vc6z]

TED ED: "A new greek myth video" Me: Lemme guess... Zeus

[@PLScypion]

Greek gods: Let's mess with humans, it will be fun! Also Greek gods: Let's punish humans for their doings which are direct consequences of our actions, it will be fun!

[@apekshan]

I don't think much of greek mythology would exist if Zeus could have controlled himself.

[@felipesoaressepulveda6134]

"what if super-humans where real" is a tale as old as time itself

[@christianweibrecht6555]

starting to understand why Christianity was appealing to Greeks, their pagan gods "especially Zeus" where not likable

[@espeoradar]

yeah cus the christian god has never killed or smote anyone 🙄

[@surekhabhave3910]

Ted Ed is the reason my language has become so much better

[@rianshmalik7678]

Female in ancient Greece: Exists Zeus: Wellp! Time to create new mythology stories

[@timlies3627]

Good

[@OmnipresentPotato]

Al-Anaam 17: And if Allāh should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with good - then He is, of everything, Most Capable.

[@X23Ninja]

The Ancient Greeks didn't see their Gods as Meddling into their Lives like this video describes.They accepted the Gods influence in their Lives as the way things were. After all they were GODS and had dominion over them

[@justinehercthehuman]

Just realized that Greek Mythology would be a great House of the Dragon type show.

[@RichardCano]

"How dare you defend yourself against the giant monster snake that is killing you and your men, unprovoked."

[@Fuzzysea693]

The weirdest part of this is that Ares basically cursed Cadmus but allowed him to marry his daughter?! Edit: also Zeus started all of this BS by kidnapping Cadmus’ sister AND he later on sleeps with Cadmus’ daughters and seals her fate to be killed? Damn he was a piece of sh*t

[@mmmm-yt4cw]

where can i see the transcript?

[@ashish_4353]

Zeus was the cause of every tragedy in Greek mythology and yet no one punished him ??

[@CalvinLee606]

Yeah, pretty much.

[@dharmrajmaurya715]

The last piano part is too tempting. Source?

[@jessicajayes8326]

Makes me want to write a story of someone trying to win a favor from the gods. Usually through deeds that the gods favor. Rescuing a sick bird that turns out to be a peahen and sending it to the temple of Hera, where the peacock is sacred. Helping a sick dolphin recover and return to it's pod for Poseidon. Finally the person asks for the favor: to make death less scary. The person becomes a psycopomp!

[@joelrojas2690]

i would have become kratos had the gods did this to me

[@fishybrickfilms]

Real

[@thomasrinschler6783]

Well, the curse on the family didn't end there. Oedipus was Cadmus' great-grandson through the direct male line, and he and his family have enough material for at least a couple of further videos.

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[@alexasecas5930]

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[@quijequije]

Bro's shield had a face 💀

[@daudayyy]

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[@smitasinha4260]

I think it was good that Ares closed the doors of Greek mythology by waging a war against gods (although for its hared for humans) so that Greek gods can finally not f##k with humans

[@vinhngo9205]

That's why we need to make Kratos canon in the Greek Mythology

[@ARandomPersonOnHere]

You guys wanna know so thing? Europa the sister later gave birth to three sons on Crete (where she became queen). And one of them was future king Minos. And when he pissed of posideon, the god cursed his wife to fall in love with the bull that king Minos was supposed to sacarfuce to posideon. And so for the wife to do the thing with the bull, she asked Daedalus (Also known as the guy that flew with Icarus who ended up flying too high the wings melted and he died) to craft her a bull she can go into to ….do the thing… anyways she gave b8th to the Minotaur. And we all know how that story goes- (Fun fact: Dionysus married Ariadne the daughter of king Minos, and they are actually both 2nd cousins I’m pretty sure. Hey not as bad for Greek mythology)

[@pisces2569]

Cadmus just casually forgot his sister

[@cobemuaong2364]

I wonder why divine Greek god were so hard to understand about their thinking , Cadmus was so innocent with his right action I need explanation

[@aadityapratap007]

I now understand why Kratos was so pissed off.

[@t3li5]

Cadmus did not deserve all of that!

[@iHerc]

It wasn't entirely Cadmus' fault for all these tragedies, Harmonia had a certain necklace with her that didn't make things any easier for her and her family 😅

[@mysteriousdude280]

It's amazing the greeks still believed in their gods

[@JD.tsuki22]

Greek Mythology is just the demon lords constantly beating the human heroes for just existing

[@patrickbillinghurst3210]

But like, this is just the tip of the iceberg. This video could have gone on for twenty minutes. Oedipus is in the line of Cadmus.