The Fallout between George Lucas and Disney

Bob Iger's new book gives a personal look into the negotiations between Disney and George Lucas and how things went somewhat sour between the two. The fallout between George Lucas and Disney came from the Disney company tossing out the story treatments George Lucas proposed for the sequel trilogy.

[@hashimirasama]

Bob Iger: "I'm altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further." Georges Lucas: "This deal is getting worse all the time."

[@jonathanmartin-ives8665]

Nailed it!

[@petermarchi1935]

What everyone seems to forget is George Lucas was and Is a StoryTeller

[@ewaldgering6459]

@@petermarchi1935 the only thing he lacked imo was dialogue writing. The prequels were hindered by dialogue mainly.

[@JapBoi94]

Love the robot chicken reference! 😉

[@vdcg2010]

Good one, truth!!

[@CriticalRoleHighlights]

"There's nothing new here". I'm glad Lucas noticed that The Force Awakens was pretty much a blatant copy of the first movie.

[@BeardAxeMcAxeBeard]

And they used shit actors and shit writing while disrespecting the original cast!

[@ARC87]

It was sad that you could predict everything what would happen in Force Awakens, even if you had never seen it. The most "in-your-face" plagiarism I've seen in film industry. Then came Last Jedi... pure chaos without any sense or direction. Now... who takes this trilogy as being part of Star Wars? I see it more like a non-official (bad) novel, but not as the continuation of Episode VI. Fans have no obligation either of including/accepting Disney's storyline within the Star Wars universe ;)

[@StevieVideocast]

I am mainly disappointed that there is another death star again. That's so boring. And I don't like the beginning were a storm trooper is able to defend a lightsword. In my imagination it's cuts trough everything. Only another lightsword can defend it. Btw. It was a waste of Max von Sydow to give him a cameo only. He would have been good for the whole movie.

[@chenugent]

I think he would be better than any of us at spotting that it was a copy, cos you know, he freaking created it😂

[@chesterfumblenutts6935]

I thought everyone did.

[@justinkantner7162]

As the old saying goes " If you want something done right, do it yourself ".

[@janthony4224]

Or at least seriously take the time to vett those that you chose to handle your "baby". DISNEY/K.K.'s Lucasfilms, essentially, "threw the baby out with the bath water" on this trilogy.

[@YChromosome99]

That's a perfect comment. That's something the narrator doesn't understand.

[@jackharpe3rd233]

Didn't they say that in the Fifth Element, another film that they ended up copying?

[@michaeljoseph997]

Got that totally right my friend

[@misterditkovich4439]

@@janthony4224 I hate watching these videos b/c they make me so sad

[@PabloRichardFernandez]

"A lot of fans just aren't entirely happy with the direction the sequel trilogy has gone." I find your understatement disturbing...

[@jamms121931]

Pablo Richard Fernandez good one!

[@Nikoolayy1]

@Dec Mar I see that a star wars fan hides behind your words. A fan that does not like someone pointing the truth.

[@StudioArtFX]

@Attila Marics "We dont measure the greatness of a film by the money it made." Disney does.

[@janthony4224]

@Tuka Chgw I feel BOTH fan bases (like so many others, que: The Last Airbender by M. Night S.) are/have/will be let by big name studio lots. All sides have valid points. Turning on each other want get Studios to listen; you're money & constructive publicize complaints will.

[@StudioArtFX]

@Tuka Chgw Most people don't get that, or are on the "big corporations are evil" kick. You see the same thing with people crying about companies accommodating China. That's a huge market and businesses would be foolish not to go for it, for a number of reasons, but that's not the "in thing" with crowds today.

[@IllllllllIlllllllI]

Disney: We're gonna throw out your ideas, we wanna rehash and everything BS George: *pulls out lightsaber* It's treason then...

[@peterfinland1370]

If there's one person I would refer Lucas to, it's the Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi.

[@pml-starwars9043]

Disney just makes me feel sick when they do stuff like this.

[@flippdoubt8057]

PML - Star Wars ...so The Fandom Menace has had their finger on the pulse after all. Hmm 🤔...Disney is full of money & no sense.

[@disneytakeshugedix7463]

Who cares ? Soy Wars oops Star Wars is dead ! R.I.P. Star Wars ! R.I.P. ! Disney Star Wars is 25% different from original Star Wars because Disney refuse to pay George Lucas his IP money ! IP = intellectual property. We will never get original Star Wars again but 25% different Disney Star Wars set in an alternate universe ! Let the Elite White Social Justice Warriors leftists Feminist Democrats have this dumpster fire called 25% different Disney Star Wars ! Even if 25% different Disney Star Wars fails in the theatre, Disney will Disney it that movie ! Disney it = buying empty movie theatre tickets to boost movie ticket sales !

[@aviatorgaming6603]

Same here, he given them the scripts for a reason (George Lucas) for them to use it in the films, I see why people hate Disney now, I only hated Disney because of how the two first films turned out (Force Awakens and The Last Jedi) I didn't mind the last jedi but didn't like how luke died even though he was a force ghost during the duel with Kylo Ren.

[@flippdoubt8057]

Aviator Gaming Couldn’t agree more. They did Luke wrong imo. I wasn’t a big fan of the terrible choreography in the throne room either. You should check out the community I run on Twitter: @fandomcollectiv it’d be awesome to see you there. HAIL Star Wars Only ✊🏻🤓

[@Euclides287]

Lucas is *NOT* blameless in this story. He's the one who suggested they hired *Kathleen Kennedy* to head Lucas Film and produce these movies. She was Lucas and Spielberg's assistant when they made *Indiana Jones* and many other epic movies of the 80's and early 90's. Disney didn't know she was going to turn Star Wars into a hot pile of feminist shit we're seeing now.

[@tomch6799]

This is so depressing, the fact that we will never see George vision for the complete saga and we are stuck with this souless fan fiction

[@aviatorgaming6603]

I'm looking forward to the Obi Wan TV Series, which is being filmed in 2020. Because that is something I always been excited for! I don't like the look of JJ Abrams and Kennedy together, they seem like 2 Emperor Palpatines not giving people what George Lucas wanted, which was for his scripts to be used for the new Star Wars films.

[@zafranorbian757]

@warrcc c the clone wars is really worth including, it expands the prequel story in meaningfull ways.

[@nopejoeandangie]

Unfortunately we saw George's vision during the prequels, and without a good editor like his ex-wife and solid directors like Larry Kasdan, his visions are a jumbled mess of bad dialogue. Imagine writing dialogue so bad that Natalie Portman, Ewan MacGregor, and even Samuel L. Jackson sound like wooden puppets. Did this guy seriously want to sell his Star Wars empire for BILLIONS of dollars and think he could still micromanage the story like he did during the prequels and everything else? Imagine JJ Abrams or whatever director/writer being strangled by daily notes from George Lucas back at Skywalker Ranch. At some point, someone needs to assume control and tell the story, and you can't have too many hands in the pot. The same people who blame Disney for doing to their Star Wars are the same people who howled with laughter at the corny prequels and Mr. Plinkett's prequel reviews, showing George Lucas as inept and detail-obsessed and unable to write dialogue. You can't have it both ways. George Lucas is either a genius who should write/direct/everything his films, or he has to give over control to someone else.

[@tomch6799]

@@nopejoeandangie I hear you, me personally i had no problems with the prequels growing up, now not so much but i still love them but i can understand the people who don't. Having said that i believe that in spite of their bad dialogue and acting there were other things from those films that were, at least in my eyes, really interesting and things that felt like star wars. Interesting and creative new worlds, creative new and old alien races, awesome fights, interesting world building that didn't mimic the one before and felt like a new era, new vehicles, and a story that, yeah has its ups and downs, but at least had a direction. That it's what these new movies lack, a direction and a creative force that cares about the source material, yes the new movies has some good acting and decent dialogue (except in my opinion TLJ) but they lack the heart and a clear direction. I'm looking at episode 9 and i can't understand what they are going to do because the story with these movies are so disconnected and poor thought out that i don't care what happens to anyone or anything. So i guess that in a way i would prefer George Lucas directing and writing and all that just of his creative input because at least we have that, the new movies are just nothing

[@zafranorbian757]

@warrcc c Yes really, season 1 has some garbage episodes but the series drastically improoves going into season 2. Here is a short guide to only watch the important stuff and the really good episodes, though I would atleast also watch the honorable mentions episodes: i.imgur.com/suvAMuYg.jpg

[@NovaBushido]

I never even realised people disliked 1-3 till I heard about that via the Internet, I really enjoyed it. But when I saw 7 I realised something was wrong, and 8 straight away I was disappointed and annoyed. I'm sorry George that people gave you so much hate.

[@sabre3696]

What Disney has been doing with the sequel trilogy is little more than cinematic fascism.

[@Dass_Jennir]

Same man, couldn’t believe people hated the prequels either.

[@FoolishPrince]

It blew my mind to... Didn't find out they were hated until Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney.. otherwise i would have started defending the Prequels and George and Jar Jar and little Ani a long time ago...

[@ganondorfdragmire7886]

As a staunch prequel-hater, I am disappointed at how Lucas was treated by the fans (and later, Disney). I dislike those films, but I don't dislike him as a person or as a creative mind/director. And regardless, I love the prequel universe, even if I don't like the prequels themselves.

[@saricubra2867]

I only watched The Force Awakens once and i had the same mentality as George Instantly. Thankfully, i was watching Star Wars The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels, even Rogue One. This is what Disney/Lucasfilm should have done with the sequels : *Do not recycle stories or ruin previously established things with plagiarism for the sake of nostalgia pandering* , you will lose many people and money.

[@nightlinger923]

If only I had a time machine: "Lucas, don't give into Disney. That leads to the Darkside."

[@JohnJohnson-ei5iy]

it's not even the dark side, the dark side is more, way more

[@mostlynew]

Disney is the corporation from Hell

[@spirittammyk]

I'm wondering if Disney actually threatened him? They sure got Fox easily enough, and this is something the US government should have stopped. They had no problem stopping ATT from buying out T Mobile. I also remember reading something that the creator of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was approached by Disney to sell the franchise to them, and they said it in a threatening matter. So, instead, he went to the other big studio, WB, and got them to buy the franchise under Nickelodeon. Shortly after the deal is when we start hearing rumors that Game of Thrones showrunners were given the opportunity to helm a Star Wars project and this is why they wanted out of Game of Thrones. In the end, they rushed the series and hacked it to pieces and left what was once a great show a smoldering mess. And then 6 months after the damage is done, Benioff and Weiss are let go from the Star Wars deal. Seems to me that Disney was behind that mess on purpose to try and sabotage the one huge franchise they don't control. And they won.

[@weirdandtrue4441]

The fans deserve this treatment. They begged Lucas to leave star wars alone

[@peterfinland1370]

@@mostlynew The world is gone to hell. The Hell is here, right now!

[@sosomelodies659]

Lucas should've called James Cameron and tell him "I want you to have fun with the next three Star Wars film'.

[@azynkron]

Cameron? Nah.. He should have called Michael Bay.

[@grappo77]

@@azynkron michael bay? seriously ur trolling just for fun i guess?

[@mydogskips2]

@@azynkron Yeah, I don't think Cameron would have wanted it. Michael Bay is a good thought, or why not offer it to his good friend Steven Spielberg, he's done a lot of kids' films too over the years. The only problem I see with taking on Star Wars is that the pressure would be enormous, and I don't know how many people would want that responsibility. But for someone young, there's potentially a lot of money to be made along with a name for yourself.

[@GlassTopRX7]

That wouldn't have been any better, Guillermo del Toro would have been a good choice.

[@erikanders3343]

Cameron still can't get his avatar 2 films off the ground and Lucas is very competitive with Cameron... it would not have happened.

[@battletested1476]

This pretty much sums up why the Fandom Menace exists.

[@cjgreat8536]

I don’t like them.

[@sabre3696]

The Fandom Menace is essentially the Star Wars equivalent of mob rule run-a-muck and that being abused by tyrants.

[@brucewayne1662]

Many members of TFM were Lucas hating Disney fanboys right up until TLJ.

[@battletested1476]

@@brucewayne1662 funny how a terrible film unites people

[@cjgreat8536]

Doubt it

[@manz7860]

Completely agree. The direction of star wars is an absolute mess. At first disney and the sequel defenders say star wars needed a different direction. Only to take that direction, kill off it's only main protagonist with no explanation. THEN BRING BACK characters thought long dead, basically undoing the story of the first 6 by lucas. Absolutely sad, I'm a huge star wars fan but I cannot defend the transgressions of the sequels. I just cant be that blind of a fan boy. This is coming from a guy who defends the prequels

[@Skwarciak]

I loved the prequels, but the new trillogy is so bad, I think I won't even go to the cinema for the third film.

[@dndlnx]

I can appreciate the prequels, but anyone who claims they “like” the sequels aren’t fans of SW. Thus far they’ve been a combination of lazy, disrespectful, agenda ridden... with so many missed opportunities it will melt your brain. 🤯

[@Swarmah]

@@dndlnxprequels had deeper and more thought out story, but the movies had too short time to put it in simple understandable way for average moviegoer. Clone Wars fixed it, but theres no way u can fix the shitvels. + requels were liked by most people untill youtube shits started brainwashing the monkeys. Tho sequels, most people came out of theatres disappointed frm the force awakens. Rogue one is the only good disney star wars.

[@manz7860]

@@Skwarciak i am definitely gonna watch a pirated version of it, since i know the movies gonna be low quality anyways. First star war movies besides the OT that I wont see in theaters

[@gru4347]

The sequels are great

[@bendu8282]

Man I always wanted George’s Story not Disney executives trying to be George pretenders

[@cultofmalgus1310]

Disney SWs is NOT CANON! SAYS WE!

[@floyd2386]

George Lucas was a George Lucas pretender himself.

[@bendu8282]

floyd2386 pretender of what

[@floyd2386]

@@bendu8282 The young man that George was when he made the original Star Wars. He's a hypocrite about nothing being new with the new movies, when there was just about as much not new about the prequels. He even said himself "it's like poetry, it rhymes" with regards to the prequels and the originals.

[@bendu8282]

floyd2386 there is nothing new in the Sequels. There are waisted ideas of new concepts but it’s mostly the same thing except done wrong. George is no hypocrite he always added new stories to the Star Wars mythos that rhymed with the old ones but were not the same. The Sequels didn’t rhyme they repeated. The death of the Jedi order already happened, the rebels and the empire already happened. The destruction of planets already happened.

[@wielanddulos4579]

Really disappointed to hear they threw away his story. I wish I can see the story that George Lucas wrote.

[@Batman8657]

One of George's stipulations should have been that Iger grant Dave Filoni at least a 5 year contract as president of Lucasfilm. At least he understands Star Wars and would have honored Lucas' vision. Kathleen Kennedy simply isn't talented. She rode her entire career on the backs of Steven Spielberg and her hubby Frank Marshall.

[@sikid4000]

The sequels are way too similar to the OT. They couldn't even bother making new ships and new planets, they didn't even explain what was going on politically in the universe. It's just empire vs rebels which is confusing if you don't read the books. Episode 6 ends with the empire defeated but episode 7 expects us to except it never really happened. The sequels are soulless garbage. George would've done better.

[@DSIrocker]

sikid4000 before Disney the EU literally had the Galactic Empire still in power for like 20 years

[@lordrhino7026]

EX-ALT and in canon they fall after 1 year. That’s quite bad for the largest military force in the galaxy. In the EU it makes sense why they didn’t just fall after a year

[@samuelketner1391]

Crait is an original planet. Solo also had Mimban and Kessel, which were unique. Rogue One had Edo and Scariff

[@smhino]

StarWarz #1 that’s really not that much though and how long have they owned Star Wars

[@DSIrocker]

Cameron Tully if their galactic emperor dying after years of crumbling doesn’t put them in the grave then that makes the events of return of the Jedi irrelevant and any other minor ranking threat seem obvious that the rebellion who took down their emperor can no doubt take down any smaller threat from the same regime.

[@sikid4000]

All the planets just look like earth in the sequels.

[@THO-BRO2000]

Finally found someone who also saw that! I thought I was the only one. Canto Bight was the all time low, with the police cars and everything. And Solo was even worse. That whole movie had a B Hollywood movie vibe going on through the whole movie. A mediocre Hollywood flick that had nothing to do with Star Wars...

[@FlyingSha4sh_Pingas]

sikid4000 yep so fucking boring

[@Dass_Jennir]

THO-BRO2000 well like the movie or not, Solo probably had the most “inventive” ones with a Corellia standing over an infinite ocean just like Atho City in KOTOR, and a rocky planet with acid looking water in Kessel. Yeah sure it’s not Prequel level planets, but definitely something out of this world and better than what TFA, Rogue One and TROS showed so far in terms of creative locations.

[@BaconSauce]

Except for Crait

[@claykeough7898]

Same! Thanks for noticing the lack of world building and set design. Everything is deserted earth with one base or one building. Where the fuck is everyone? Civilizations? 🤦‍♂️

[@sikid4000]

When I was a little kid I thought an episode 7 would never happen. I thought episode 6 was the ending and there was no more star wars to be had.

[@THO-BRO2000]

Yeah that was the idea. And if Lucas thought about it back then , the the Prequel haters would make sure that wouldn't happen. It's time that we honor this great man!

[@abramsullivan7764]

Yeah but Luke did ask Obi-wan that he fought The Clone Wars so if we didn't have the prequels then we be having THE CLONE WARS.

[@jaykayhooray]

I always hoped they’d make more but I thought it was the end too

[@AimeranCS]

You are right cuz the new episodes arent SW.

[@TastyChurro]

@@AimeranCS its fan fiction

[@BreezyE-d3n]

George was a pretty savvy negotiator, I can't imagine he would be that surprised at the treatment of the franchise when he sold it all to a huge, soulless corporation. Maybe the $4bn they gave him for it clouded his judgement somehow.

[@madmax36640]

The ultimate law of negotiation "Money talks and bullshit walks"Too bad George fell for it!!!

[@thespadestable]

@@madmax36640 - No, George knew he did not have the fire any longer to do another 3 films that would be accepted by the fans. George was between a rock and a hard place, (1) die hard and casual fans dogged him about episode 1, 2, and 3, and (2) putting together a movie as complex as Star Wars takes a lot of everyone involved, especially if you are the creator and director of not 1 movie, but a total of 6 of these types of movies.

[@anarki777]

Why do you need $4 billion when you're already rich and 70+ years old? I'd be more interested in my legacy.

[@vincerob369]

Ed is dead-on. Over the years Lucas sued Battlestar Galactica and won over the damn laser effects. BG was forced to a slow death after that because they had to use & re-use stock footage to save money. He sued just about any SciFi production with his army of lawyers. He’s like almost as bad as Gene Simmons of KISS suing inventors & stealing their Patents. Yeah George ain’t a victim here & he knew what he was going into....$4 Billion.

[@mannyman1012]

@@anarki777 because you fans destroyed his legacy, spirit, and creativity. He dropped the prequels with love, vision, and expanding the great story to become the greatest story. And you fans absolutely shitted on him. Took a shitting so bad on the man that Disney is afraid to do anything new, and doesn't even acknowledge any of the prequels.

[@MilkoAritonoski]

Here's the thing: George was already a multimillionaire thanks to his franchises. Star Wars alone could keep him and his grand children's children rich beyond measure. Him selling the franchise to Disney was like selling your child to Satan - he appears as a loving looking nanny that promises to keep great care of it, that will see it grow and mature. Only then you realize it's actually a dirty, money hungry sociopath that doesn't own a shred of creativity nor originality and is hell bent on just rehashing shit to squish more money from the fans' nostalgia. Fuck the mouse for destroying this once great franchise. No wonder Lukas is disappointing. Money cannot buy you happiness, especially if you're already filthy rich. He bastardized Indiana Jones and his only redemption was Star Wars and look how that turned out.

[@vyrus2]

He donated the whole 4 billion to charity, FYI. It wasn't a money thing.

[@da_sparazza]

@@vyrus2 donated my ass

[@kamrond13]

@@da_sparazza Do research dummy, it's true

[@MrZackavelli]

@Alton Kilbourne How is it greed if he donated all the money he got from the sale? That's like the antithesis of greed.

[@englishmailbox8830]

Alton Kilbourne then why did he give the money to education

[@cultofmalgus1310]

Prequels werent perfect but I still enjoyed them all the same. Can't say that about the sequels.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

i love the prequel, great cast, great star wars story, huge battles, new worlds etc etc etc ive never understood why it was woke to hate on it...but hey everyone have his taste i guess

[@MH-br3th]

I wasn't happy with the prequels when they came out with the exception of Revenge of the Sith. However looking back at them after seeing the abominations Disney has put out I appreciate the prequels much more. They had better story, lightsaber battles, and characters and they did push the limits of the new digital technology of the time.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

@@MH-br3th MORE FLASHY LIGHTSABER BATTLES! SWISH, SWISH! VROOM! KSSSH! XD

[@Kikilang60]

The prequels made money. Fans were not happy because the remember the first movies they seen as a child. Hell those first three movies had more flaws then the prequels, it was just that they were seen with a child's eye.

[@Lenare]

Can't wait until episodes -3, -2, -1 come out and people start saying they found 7, 8, 9 enjoyable but -3, -2, -1 are terrible. Time is a funny thing.

[@Thestray187]

I hope George gets so mad He recreate a whole new universe to destroy disney

[@wyatt3552]

The warsstar. Lol😂

[@vctrsone]

We need this. New Scifi franchise.

[@lxdead5585]

@@vctrsone If You really want another huge Sci-Fi universe to pop out and destroy Di$ney's Star Wars... welp, look no longer, You just need to wait till 2020 -> Dune

[@truthcrusader360]

Lx Dead Dune ?

[@lxdead5585]

@@truthcrusader360 Srsly? Never heard of it? Lucas copied lots from it. It's most influential Sci-Fi book ever.

[@xtraflo]

Good news is, the true Hardcore fans ultimately stand behind George over Disney. We agree, Disney has screwed up Star Wars and Lucasfilm more than George ever did.

[@thethoughtcriminal8786]

Four for years I have had Disney Star Wars fans throw Lucas under the bus to prop up Disney Star Wars. It was painful to realize just how bad some Star Wars fans have become toward Lucas.

[@JW-jd6sn]

Don't have to be a 'hardcore' fan to realise that Disney take of star wars is dreadful and that Lucas has been betrayed.

[@thethoughtcriminal8786]

@@JW-jd6sn I agree, but that's not the point. It's vindication, and undisputable admittance that Disney screwed over Lucas and the fans.

[@xtraflo]

@Studio Autio Of course.

[@Clay3613]

How long have you been a "hardcore fan".

[@lazyskull7949]

I feel bad for hating the prequels at the time (I like them now). Disney has completely killed Star Wars.

[@oniedahn]

@Hugh Jardon the jarjar binx sith lord theory kicks ass tho

[@jamms121931]

LazySkull I wouldn’t go that far...they are definitely on life support though...Disney Sucks!

[@lazyskull7949]

@Hugh Jardon not exactly. there are still a lot of problems with the prequels but compared to the sequels, theyre fantastic. like the whole trade embargo stuff in phantom menace. = boring. however one of my favorite parts comes from that movie too, the podracing stuff.

[@StudioArtFX]

@@lazyskull7949 All the politicking, the very thing most people hated in the prequels, is exactly what made them *great* to me. Fans who were kids when the originals came out, were grown up now and probably had some ideas about politics. I think it was a smart move on Lucas' part. I wasn't all that into midichlorians or Jar Jar Binks in Episode I, but I also loved the pod race, and it still has the best lightsaber duel of all time. Episode II was fun, and Episode III is the best Star Wars film ever made (for me anyway).

[@meltd47s17]

I’ve liked them forever! If people just appreciated the effort and innovation of those movies back in the day we wouldn’t be in this god damn mess.

[@craigusselman546]

Was that actuall footage of George losing his shit-awesome.

[@troybonner91]

Nope. It's from a skit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2WYd4SsocuIbLM

[@bilwisss]

quote Ernest Hemingway: "The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."

[@jbloun911]

... and then they stab you in the back. tough act to follow

[@vadergamer453]

Disney destroyed star wars.... The character assassination of Luke Skywalker is unforgivable.... And the new characters aren't iconic......the story in my opinion arent saga worthy.

[@whatfreedom7]

I still wonder if he is for sure dead. It does seem like they killed him off along with solo in the stupidest ways while the female characters can survive anything even being in outer space.

[@Marmocet]

The new characters might not be iconic, or interesting, but they're just so _diverse_ and that's what really matters.

[@vadergamer453]

Thats what really matter? Matters over good story telling?

[@ScooterinAB]

I love when people bitch about Luke being ruined when this is exactly the character who was set up in the original films.

[@robpetri5996]

I agree. However, I liked Rogue One.

[@dylanlewis3038]

We need to apologize to George. Sometimes, you don’t realize what you have until it’s gone. George, I’m sorry.

[@whythatspreposterous]

So it's YOUR fault! I've been looking for you...

[@njsullyalex2744]

I actually agree. The Prequels have been somewhat underappreciated until now, and a lot of the fans hated on George for a long time because of things like Jar Jar Binks in the prequels, while drowning out everything the did so well. I bet George didn't feel comfortable making the sequels on his own because he no longer trusted himself to make a good movie, fearing backlash the same way he did with the prequels. Now look where things have ended up. Disney has done the unthinkable, not by just making a bad Star Wars movie, but they successfully destroyed everything that happened in the entire SIX ORIGINAL MOVIES in the span of a single movie. Unless Disney Star Wars is somehow made non-canon or The Rise of Skywalker turns out to be amazing and fixes everything (who knows, Disney could have turned themselves around and listened), I don't think Star Wars will ever be the same. Star Wars was Lucas's passion project, and even the prequels showed how his heart, soul, and mind went into making true tour de forces of movies.

[@whythatspreposterous]

​@@njsullyalex2744 Sure. But this wave of fan guilt, where one half is writhing in self flagellation and the other half pointing fingers at other fans they say are to blame is just as sad. As hard as it is to accept, the prequels...well, they fell short almost universally for critics, fans, non-fans, even George's Hollywood peers and industry professionals. The only clear exception being the actual audience George claimed he was targetting - the kids. Yes, some fans AND critics went too far expressing their distaste - we've seen that again with the sequels - but ultimately, how George feels about his movies now is really up to him. If he doesn't feel he could have done them better, then perhaps he really has done the right thing here by bowing out, but if he DOES...well, he really owed it to everyone, including himself, to helm the sequel films himself (or with whatever team or arrangement he felt would result in the best outcome) regardless of anyone's opinion on his capabilities and reputation. The "fans" are not the bad guys in this story.

[@njsullyalex2744]

@@whythatspreposterous That makes a lot of sense. I wonder what such sequels would have turned out like had George made them on his own, whether they would have been masterpieces or not and whether or not they would have shared the prequel's issues. I absolutely think fan pressure had an impact on him selling it to Disney, and I think the unfortunate thing here is George expected Disney to follow his view of what Star Wars should be, where Disney instead threw his definition of Star Wars out the window and changed it into something else, arguably something it shouldn't be.

[@freebee8221]

For me, episode 3 is the best star wars movie. (Ep7 is the worst)

[@stevebakker6884]

I KNEW Disney was going to "Disneyfy" Star Wars. My Spidy senses were trembling the entire time. God bless you George. And thank you for the mountains of entertainment, excitement, and re instilled mythology..

[@Shamoose]

I remember being with my cousin a couple years ago before the Force Awakens was released and he said “Ima call that the films are going to be a musical.” He was kinda right tbh XD

[@JimmyB463DP]

Typical “Hollywood” -all flash, no substance. That’s why George did his own thing to begin with. That’s why Empire is considered the best “episode”, because it was about George’s creativity to do the sequel his way! Lucas is a creator, the William Shakespeare of our era in my opinion. (I know that’s a stretch, but in comparison to other movie makers...) Since Walt died, Disney only wants to make a profit the easiest way they can. And their formula is simply to repackage the same garbage, polish it up, and release it to the masses for consumer consumption while laughing all the way to the bank! But OG Star Wars fans are far more sophisticated and intelligent than the average, run of the mill “Frozen” fan! We go to the box office expecting a continuing saga of an incredibly established universe and canon. To be “force” fed (pun intended) a bunch of PC garbage wrapped in effortless Adobe CG “magic” was a complete slap in the face!

[@ethanattard7878]

Best 3 minutes of reading Disney criticism in my life brother

[@theknitwit7098]

Big difference...Shakespeare could craft a sentence, and could write dialogue that didn’t sound like it came from a nerdy, 16 year old virgin!

[@davidcirovic8620]

@@theknitwit7098 shaksepear sounds nerdy as fuck.

[@devod4000]

He had the least to do with empire though

[@TheZowwee]

Yeah, I was gunna say too that he hired other writers for Empire. He over saw everything and gave it his approval and blessing, but mmm he didn't have as much to do with Empire as he did with the others. I think he works better that way though. If Disney would have used his ideas and just left it the F alone they would have pleased fans and really had success with them. NOPE not Disney! OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING to throw all of his ideas out and push their own bullshit narrative. Play it safe by reworking the almost the same idea as the New Hope!!!! DAmN this makes ME MAD!

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

Bob lied to us all. He flew to close to the sun and got burned. Prequels are amazing compared to the sequels. At least they tried.

[@tcook1678]

Imo, Revenge of the Sith aside from the writing, was a phenomenal Star Wars movie.

[@saricubra2867]

@@tcook1678 But Revenge has dramatic depth. How the fu*k The Force Awakens has more praise than that?. It has better writing than TFA because i don't see a train of plot devices unlike the mystery boxes that JJ used.

[@RavishingSailor]

Requiem Sequence pretty much sums that website up. The more negative the critics reviews the more I will likely see the movie.

[@lacywhitevalenti7234]

It's got to suck since George had gotten into an awesome groove on Clone Wars and had just won an emmy. He was giving quick pitches and outlines, and seeing a talented showrunner in Dave Filoni and great writers and directors and animators bring it to life. He probably was expecting something similar with the sequels.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

i really liked the prequel...im not an anime fan or whatever you call those but i really liked the clone wars alot!

[@craig260691]

I hope we one day see Dave Filoni do a Star wars film and i think with his involvement with The Mandalorian tv series, i think Disney will have him do one or have him involved in one way or another. Loved how he expanded the mythology with Clone Wars and Rebels.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

@@craig260691 i personally didint like rebels as much. clone wars was really solid. the world felt real, stories were good, characters well depicted etc

[@Noarules]

We need to invent time travel, go back to that day, and stop George!!!

[@abramsullivan7764]

Really okay but before that maybe go back in time and find baby Osama Bin Laden and stopped him before 2001 happened.

[@remuslazar2033]

@@abramsullivan7764 if i would need to pick between the two, I would chose to go back in time to stop George selling Star Wars to disney

[@Aristotle501]

I'm working on it. Does anyone have a number for Tony Stark? Oh shit yeah, he's dead. Basically we're fucked then.

[@akumaking1]

That's not time travel works! Didn't you watch Endgame?

[@Noarules]

Endgame’s time travel rules blow, out m going with Terminator’s rules lol

[@s9523pink]

So....I’m 58, and if I go sell something I love to someone else and they mess it up, guess what? I’m responsible, because it’s no longer mine but theirs. Now if i want to keep the thing the way I want it, I don’t sell it, either I keep it in the family, or... I give it to someone who I know for sure, will continue my vision and contractually bind them to that. George has been in this business for decades and he knows the business he’s in; he needs to blame himself for his naivety. On top of which, he was aware of the vagaries of the contract,. Whose to blame for not knowing the contract? You all blame Disney, you know what, love em or hate em, they’re a business, so was Lucas Film. I’m neither here nor there about Disney, I love some of their stuff and I hate some of their stuff. They own Star Wars, all the rights and so on. Who is responsible for that? George Lucas....blame him. Maturity is accepting responsibility for our mistakes!

[@CmoreChap]

I am same age as you and feel the same. George was responsible in the end. Come on he had no idea what might happen the way he sold it, after being so precious for so long, who knew what the public hoped for so well he butchered the first films 'patching' Special Edition, he who thought it necessary to have Greedo shoot first and yet allow the detorioration of the originals stock without digitizing them in their original state? Who left the keys with K. Kennedy? GL made the mistake of doing the prequels when every Star Wars fan then, wanted sequels first when the main actors were still in their prime, thats why the prequels idea was initially received so disappointedly. Most SW fans wanted to see the extended universe such as the ideas from the books on screen. To see Han and Leia's force able twins, to contend with cloned Emperors and Admiral Thawn. Instead we got Jar Jar, GL didn't learn from the silliness of the Ewoks. GL was never a great film Director but was a good ideas man, dedicated technical innovator, great producer; GL was awful at dialogue, weak on directing actors, myopic about his own ideas quality and to whom they are intend (kids vs adults films), a tendency to more smaltz than Speilberg. Also, lets not forget that for a large percentage of the current Star Wars audience have never seen the original cuts as released, those films were the ones I saw back to back once in a cinema (would you want watch the sequels back to back?), those were the films that along with Alien and Blade Runner defined our youth to adulthood, so I guess they can't understand when we feel GL, KK, JJ, RJ and Disney took a hugh one on our memories, our loyalty and were all the wrong people to honor the heiritage of the first films for which I will alway be truely grateful to George Lucas for creating and seeing made. Just consider what might have been if the folks who did Mandalorian had create the sequels? For me I will always see the last 3 movies in the same vein as the sequel Predator and Alien movies, sad so sad, such missed opportunites, an indictment on the current Hollywood system, ultimately Non-cannon waiting for the show scene where Chewy steps out covered in Head and Shoulders smoking a damp joint and growls to Han zonked out on a couch nearby who blearily replies "Yeah Chewy you smell better now, but #@k& that weed you found hidden in that droid gave me some real trippy dreams" "GRRRew??" "Nah you really don't want to know, really you don't! Like luke doing weird stuff on some island with blue milk straight from source and someone forgot to give you a medal for some reason" "MMMeEEWWW" " They didn't?! Well jez Chewy why didn't you say something to me back then?" "GRRRR" "Okay Okay! I am sorry I should have noticed myself alright, fuzzball you know I would have only well you know Leia and all !"

[@OKULTRACOMEDY]

I've honestly come to appreciate Lucas. The prequel trilogy, although uneven, definitely had its charm. There's a ton of great ideas within it and you have to give him credit for trying new things.

[@alvarobazan7683]

How arrogant can you be .... you are going to tell the creator of the most iconic franchise in history how to translate his intellectual baby ........ yup not shocked at all about how Disney Star Wars is failing and spinning into chaos.

[@johnlukach4091]

When you buy something you own it. Little Georges greed is to blame he got paid 4 billion.

[@alvarobazan7683]

John Lukach yeah you own the property but not the fans. As George says “ they go their way and I’ll go my way” it’s not the fact that they made bad movies in my opinion it’s the fact that they expect the fans to prays their every Choice and not give any criticism and on top of that they lash out and attack the fans painting everyone in the same light just because We didn’t like their film. What bob iger did isn’t illegal however when you are handling business at that level with a respected Individual like George Lucas and then you bring a fan base like Star Wars has into the mix it’s just very short sighted and the gains you may get depreciate quickly after you take the potential revenue you could’ve had.

[@abbbba7734]

Star Wars is George Lucas' story. The Disney movies aren't canon

[@firefatesgaming1855]

That have on cannon Movie rogue one.

[@ScooterinAB]

Too bad you don't get to make that decision. When you buy Lucas Films from Disney, you can decide what is canon or not.

[@mattb6973]

Scooter Campbell lol stfu only fans can make that decision.

[@jenneacoleman-cubero2365]

Abb Bba I'm torn. I want to act like the Disney films aren't cannon but these were Peter Mayhew and Carrie Fisher's last movies. It's like disregarding "Poltergeist III", it does not seem right with Heather O'Rourke.

[@Keihryon]

@@ScooterinAB Ah, no. Disney can claim whatever it wants. I am under no obligation to recognize what they do.

[@josephpendleton9200]

Man I love George Lucas he's an innovator I wish we would have got his version instead of Disney's

[@viewtifuljoe66]

He is but phantom meance still a mess, i mean wasn't bad movie but alot if it so boring and forgetable except few parts.

[@GlassTopRX7]

No that would have been as awful as the Prequal trilogy he did whatever that's called.

[@akinkunmicook2977]

While I like Disney for their other movies, I don’t like what they have done to the story of Star Wars!

[@fido2644]

Don't worry Disney is going to do the same to their other movies.

[@robertholtz]

Seller’s Remorse. Pure and simple.

Well said!!!

[@129das]

"There nothing New!!!" George was right.

[@jasonleslie203]

I realized that in the first 5 mins into ep. 7 that its just ep. 4 all over again

[@THELANKANCOMRADE]

Yep watched the force awakens and didn’t watch a single new SW film after that

[@markusbrunner5706]

George or not i thought the same thing

[@theHeartlessNooB]

@@THELANKANCOMRADE I saw twenty minutes of TFA and I had enough.

[@mmarsh1972]

Exactly, my thoughts exactly when i saw Episode 7. Unfortunately Disney just doesn't have Lucas's vision all they see are the $$$.

[@barrycopithorne9501]

George Lucas just shouldn't of sold the franchise. That's pretty much it.

[@mannyman1012]

Blame the fans, Who pushed the man towards depression and feeling like a failure.

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

Should have let Universal handle it.

[@peterfinland1370]

@@mannyman1012 I wouldn't even call those fans. It was the becoming of a new internet age, people started bashing and trolling everything on the internet. Today, it's getting even worse all the time.

[@SpencerBansky]

@@mannyman1012 no, blame Red Tails..

[@WhiskeyShred]

Every time I read an article about Star Wars I know there are 50 KZbinrs making a dozen videos for the next week

[@codymacaulay1435]

Yep!

[@angelartcritic7846]

Good. It is so refreshing that George was fandom menace all along!!!

[@jay8674]

It's a little annoying to me.

[@WeezaY5000]

Anyway for nerds to make money on the internet without having to get real jobs. How do I get on board?!? Haha.

[@bahamutskingdom]

The prequels come out. Hostility on a massive level insures. Lucas sells to Disney about 7 years later. Disney creates their trilogy. Fans hate it. Has no one realized that he probably would not have been sold so quickly to Disney had the fan reaction against the prequel trilogy been so damn harsh. (Which I cannot to this day figure out what that was all about. The only complaint I could have is dialogue....and as Ford once said of it.....) Gonna quote a very little known cartoon in this day and age....strangely from Disney from the 90's....Gargoyles. Demona betrays her clan. She tricks her love Goliath to chasing after the vikings, in the hopes of saving her clan. She realizes her clan has been shattered during the raid. She sees her love in stone hibernation at night. And her words were...... "What have I.......what have THEY done to you!!!" Not one fan, aside from possibly myself have no want, will, or desire to take partial responsibility for the selling of Star Wars to Disney. As George himself said (paraphrasing) why would I make more movies for people to hate me over? There has not been a Star Wars movie I have not liked, loved, enjoyed. Not one so far. All but The Rise of Skywalker sit on my shelf. I can watch them together, or in their trilogies, or as a stand alone film. The thing I do, that seemingly no one else does is enjoy the film I am watching. All are really good films. And most, in my mind are masterpieces of the film industry. Yeah things are inconsistent in plot. But bear in mind the plot of the first six had enough time for me to go from a mid age CHILD (I was 6 in 1984) to having a child of my own who was 5 in 1999. And he now has a child who is 4 in the Release of Rise of Skywalker. My biggest thing with Star Wars is not whether it adheres to the Mythology or cannon 120%. I got to enjoy the originals myself. I got to enjoy the prequels with my son. And now I get to enjoy the sequels with my son and granddaughter. THAT is the biggest point of Star Wars that everyone keeps missing. Pass on what you have learned. (To me it is the enjoyment of the films)

[@setekh3880]

Lukas = Jedi, Disney = Empire, so now the Empire has the power, now we need to work to bring back that power to the Jedi :) Get the idea.

[@thebestbadness420k6]

I would like to at least see a novelization of these treatments. It'd be great if Disney would make the future of star wars after ROTJ an open-ended question, and let us see multiple answers. But I doubt that they'd allow that. Right now at least.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Disney will NEVER let those out

[@Dass_Jennir]

Something I always loved about Star Wars is that there’s no room for parallel universes and dimensions like in Marvel or DC. It’s pretty straight forward, if a character dies, that’s it. No messy comebacks or what ifs... But after watching these sequels... damn if I want a Crisis On Infinite Galaxies or make my own Canon out of legends.

[@thebestbadness420k6]

@@Dass_JennirOh dude. You have no idea how much I've wanted to make my own canon. But I don't think it would get traction simply because I would want to cram it full of my own characters that might not be very well recieved.

[@Dass_Jennir]

The Best badness420k not necessarily a full new canon. Just pick the existing stories from both legends and Disney that I like and mixing them in the most cohesive way posible in order to have my own continuity. But yeah I also have my own stories that I would like to take to the big screen or make novels, like one about the fall of the Sith empire and how that affected them as people having to run from the new growing republic, like a reverse order 66 etc. If you are interested, there’s a website which collects very good fan made comics and short stories from the community if you would like to submit your own stuff. The only thing Idk is if it’s still running, as it’s latest submission was a while ago, but hey you don’t lose anything for trying. Here’s the website: www.astarwarscomic.com/

[@matthewgaudet4064]

@@Dass_Jennir , one writer wanted to resurrect Mara Jade as a clone as far as i recall. And i know Troy Denning wanted to resurrect Anakin Solo, those never happened. But Ahsoka was resurrected by time travel on Rebels.

[@SuperStrayz]

After watching TFA for the first time, George Lucas described selling Star Wars to Disney was like he sold his kids into slavery. That just goes to show how George really felt about the sequels.

[@bendu8282]

SuperStrayz a true sentiment

[@tiborpurzsas2136]

Yeah sure but he couldn't say no to 4 billions ! What was he expecting ? He gets 4 bill. Plus they (disney) follow his wishes how the story goes ? Disney did a terrible job with the new films for sure but I understand why they want to be the ones who dictate which way the story goes. They just paid 4 bill. That's why.

[@FoolishPrince]

@@tiborpurzsas2136 2 billion cash (which George donated), and 2 billion in Disney stock... Lucasfilm was valued over 7 billion.... Even Samuel L. Jackson said "he got Ripped off"...

[@SuperStrayz]

@@tiborpurzsas2136 Well after the backlash the prequels got I'm sure George didn't really feel like going through that again. Also he was older and the undertaking of 3 new films probably looked tiring for him.

[@TheJennyWalaShow]

Imagine if Disney did the same to Stan Lee

[@brendanakers7294]

TheJennyWalaShow wouldn't surprise me if they did now that he's gone rip Stan lee

[@Shamoose]

Dunno if this is true but in the first version of Endgame they didn’t have a tribute to Stan lee In the rerelease they added the tribute for money or something

[@DarkAngelEU]

@@brendanakers7294 You can already tell by the second Spider-Man film that it's become underwhelming. Mysterio is my favourite villain, yet this film felt like there was more potential. He's just a thug with a grudge - recycled Vulture basically.

[@StudioArtFX]

@@Shamoose That was Captain Marvel. Endgame still has no tribute.

[@kenziespencer1673]

What do you mean? they already have.

[@_Woo]

I've never heard anyone in hollywood just admit "well it was a bad story"

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

wasn't he the same guy who stood by Jar Jar too?

[@Balnazzardi]

Remember when the news first broke out that Disney bought Star Wars? Everyone was saying they had bad feeling about it, but then millions fell for the recycled cash grab that was The Force Awakens.... Honestly I cant understand people who say that Disney would have ruined Star Wars only after they had seen The Last Jedi, when TFA already was such huge waste of time.....it set the stage for this shitty as third trilogy....But apparently Disney's careful calculations to kiss the arse of original trilogy fanatics paid off with that recycled New Hope bullshit...and thats what Disney is still doing even today with their live action remakes, doing nostalgia flicks, because we have seen time and again how nostalgia flicks pay off in Box Office... So ye I 100% agree with Lucas on the fact that TFA was trash as it didnt bother to take the franchise into bold new directions, but after the hate for prequel trilogy tried to play the safest possible route with its story and setting. What we basicly got was New Hope 2.0 with Rebels and Empire.....sorry, I meant Resistance and First Order.... Lucas was absolutely right that this new trilogy should have introduced new places with entirely new storylines, cause for better or worse thats what Lucas atleast tried to do with his prequel trilogy.

[@mannyman1012]

The fans scared and shunned lucas, when he came out with the prequels. This is why he left and stopped, you people destroyed our franchise

[@Shadowkey392]

Stop blaming Disney. If Star Wars is dead to you , YOU are the ones at fault. Disney would not have Star Wars if not for the “fans”.

[@Balnazzardi]

@Shadowkey392 Hah ye sure :D...you are sounding like one of Disney or EA executives "the CUSTOMER is ALWAYS wrong....not us"

[@mannyman1012]

@@Shadowkey392 I agree with you on the fans fault, but Disney did ruin star wars. They can still salvage it with the new movie but must walk a tight rope.

[@janthony4224]

Amen

[@MadlandsMedia]

The new films just don't have that George Lucas vision.

[@mannyman1012]

The fans pushed him away, so no point in missing him you hypocrites

[@chesterfumblenutts6935]

They don't seem to have an vision. They're stumbling drunk in the dark.

[@meltd47s17]

Armani Webb no shit eh like they get mad at this dude for the last three movies he made now they’re mad he isn’t making the next three. Exactly what you said fuck off you hypocrites. I’ve always loved the original six and always will the prequels were underrated and the sequels are overrated. Star Wars fans confuse the fuck out of me.

[@peterfinland1370]

@@meltd47s17 You don't seem to realize those two fan bases are completely different people. True fans are loyal to Lucas and always has been.

[@slashinswingin4369]

I think you put it best. Unfortunately, their actions may have also hurt Rian Johnson. I don't want to be "that guy", but his vision didn't fit into the 8th part of a 9 part saga. Had they waited and allowed his narrative innovation to take palce in ab entirely new saga in the SW universe, one unconnected to the current canon/story, it may have been great. I respect his artistic vision, I really do, but it's a shame that A) it had to happen during and throw off an 8/9 part saga and 40 years of fandom, and B) that it was wasted where it should not have been used, an act that has forever hurt the man and his future artistic endeavors. Finally, as much as I love having various creative minds, the sequels should have had one primary writer and vision - whether it be from Lucas or someone else. And with that, though I don't think they should have had to strictly adhere to it, George's model should have been a back bone of sorts for the sequels, after which Disney could take it in their own direction (though I'd much rather Lucasfilm have primary control if that is not/was not the case).

[@grantonator3884]

Well met

[@dogmapile5832]

I myself would describe Johnson's strengths differently. He made a visually stunning film. The questions his script raised were engaging and important. The possibility of the Jedi being corrupt and Luke sealing himself off from the galaxy are amazing and worthy of a film. Unfortunately, Johnson's script and follow-through of these ideas, in the words of RLM, "failed spectacularly at every level." Last Jedi should have been a great movie, but with its missteps and bad script, instead caused the franchise to implode.

[@WeezaY5000]

I actually wouldn't have minded what Brian Johnson was trying to do, if it was just another Star Wars movie and not part of the Skywalker Saga. That being said, what was trying to, obviously didn't work out either. He should have gotten weird on his own thing.

[@nnnnnnnp]

That’s what I thought too when I saw TFA. I was like 30 + years and the only difference to a TIE Fighter is a paint job?!

[@RamLaska]

I seriously wish he would leak his story treatments out on the internet.

[@ThePunisherSpider]

Disney will release them when Lucas died , a final spit on his legacy, making money out of his eventual death.

[@mnieuwhof]

This is why Rogue One is the BEST Star Wars movie ever made after the original trilogy...

[@fortis3686]

I hope you prequel haters are happy. Thanks to you, George sold his franchise to the capitalist devil, and you have no one else to blame but yourselves. It’s thanks to you that Star Wars is in even worst shape than it was during the prequel era

[@BowlofIndoMee]

THANK YOU

[@pauleckert4321]

Agree 100 percent. I have even seem some people who in the past who blasted George for the prequals say how they miss him after the last jedi. I am like wow really. I have always defended the prequals. Hell episode 3 is my second favortie in the series. Anyone who blasted GL on the prequles have no right to complain now. You all are the damm reason why he sold it. I dont blame him, I would to. Still feel bad for him. He not only got treated like shit from a group of so called fans, then by Disney and KK. Really messed up.

[@journeymanX]

i liked the prequels i wasn't around to see the OT in theaters but the prequels were the star wars cinematic experience of my generation with ep3 as the grand finale i'll take lucas and his flaws over KK and disney's woke agenda

[@Attmay]

True except that Capitalism made STAR WARS possible in the first place.

[@fortis3686]

Főfasírozó I would but. The spelling errors are convincing me not to

[@turdfurgeson5196]

Rogue One was the only Star Wars thing Disney did right. They should have kept that team together.

[@OneNationUnderGod.]

I've got some interesting news for you, R1 was originally a George Lucas project. Probably the main reason it's the best thing to come out of the Disney era so far. It was originally pitched as an arc in the live action Star Wars series George was trying to bring to life right after he finished the prequels. John Knoll came up with the original story and they were working on making it an arc of episodes for the TV series.

[@whythatspreposterous]

@@OneNationUnderGod. Damn. That IS interesting!

[@mmarsh1972]

The Mandorlian looks promising...

[@Gfors85]

@@mmarsh1972 stormtrooperheads impaled...HELL YES! :D

[@janmichaelvincent2157]

The prequels were good i dont understand the hate for them, Ep.3 is one of the best Star Wars movies in my opinion

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

i love all the prequels

[@RonWylie-gk5lc]

The prequels are not good movies in general, they are over complex and lose everything that was original and loved in SW HOWEVER.....I completely agree that the third was in part superb

[@ZzaphodD]

No 1 is horrible! No 3 is ok and partly good. No 2 in between..

[@nicks.6341]

At the end of the day, this mess is ultimately George Lucas' fault. First of all he should've never sold Star Wars to Disney, period. He could've easily hired his own people to do all the heavy lifting while he oversaw the project as the "final decider". Second, he sold Star Wars for what I consider peanuts. $4 Billion for the greatest movie franchise of all time when you can make that nowadays in 2 or 3 movies??? And finally, George Lucas could've EASILY insisted in the contract agreement with Disney that as long as he's alive, he would have final say in the creative direction of the franchise. He could've also easily insisted that a condition of sale would be that they HAD to use his scripts for Episodes 7, 8 & 9 and any changes made to them would HAVE to be approved by him... But he didn't. He sold too low and signed off ALL CREATIVE CONTROL. Disney took Lucas to the cleaners and that's his and his lawyers' fault. It really eats me up inside seeing what Star Wars has become and knowing George Lucas will soon leave this earth with this pain in his heart. Disney has shown a complete lack of respect to one of the greatest, ever. SAD!

[@Betin264]

Or he just should have sold SW to Fox, the studio which supported Star Wars in his beginning and what worked with Lucas for 35 years.

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

It sounds like he sold it while he was drunk and now that he's sobered up, he realized how bad the decision was.

[@gregtoolson1606]

"There's nothing new". I think I said this verbatim when I first saw TFA too. I didn't realize that Lucas had actual intentions of continuing the saga with another trilogy, and even had a story outlined. I really thought Ep. VI was the definite end. It really should be. I just figured the Sequels were Disney making good on the cash cow they invested in. It would be interesting to know what Lucas had in mind for the Sequels, because what we got just proves they were pointless. "There's nothing new" because there was no more story to be told.

[@MrSkullHead1250]

I was a TFA apologist. At the time my thoughts were like ''This is just trying to make it feel familiar, like a love letter to the fans of the original, just one big fan service film'' I was too caught up in my own hype. Then The Last Jedi hit, and all those feelings got flushed down the shitter. I haven't watched the sequels since. The Return of the Jedi is still the true ending in my eyes. Anything beyond that I get from the legends books.

[@brianw554]

Imagine a trilogy with the storytelling and magic of the OT, the lightsaber dueling and lore of the prequels, and the visuals of the sequels.

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

Brian W Sequel visuals are kinda boring compared to prequels. Only time I felt twinge of awe during sequels was with Star Destroyer buried in sand in Force Awakens.

[@brianw554]

@@matiasluukkanen7718 Yea i meant with practical sets and an not an overabundance of cgi

[@RKSavv]

George - 🤔 So... you're not gonna screw me on this thing, right? Bob - 🤥 No way!

[@Striker8]

I feel so bad for George this mess that was created if only a easy way to fix, if only disney would relalize and just let him do more with the films I do wonder what the new trilogy would have looked like if the man himself was in control

[@THO-BRO2000]

Imo the Prequel haters are the main cause he sold Lucasfilm. Cos let's be honest. People made the Prequels way worse than they actually were. Only now those haters realize that the sequels are worse than the Prequels... This proofs once again that You don't know how good you have it, until it gets worse...

[@jaykayhooray]

At the end of the day, he signed those papers knowing they didnt have to use his scripts. Say what u want, but the man was ready to let go of Star Wars. If he didnt want this to happen, he would’ve made sure that his conditions were met before making a deal. I dont blame Lucas, he wanted to put his family first and live his life so he sold the company. But he is also to blame for the downfall of the ST, just like Disney is. Its the truth and it hurts, cuz I love Lucas and his vision, but he let that vision die when he signed those papers

[@Striker8]

@@jaykayhooray ya but I don't think he understood exactly what they gonna do and mess it up this bad ,yes Lucas made a mistake but what if we had a different director who understood the story like Dave filoni who would have known how to do the movies Disney just decided to say fuck it we doing whatever we want with it I don't need this to be amazing just good to make money .They don't care about the fans and characters as much But when you do look at clone wars /rebles and now manderlorian Dave cares about these characters is if they are real to him aaand Lucas also helped with clone wars so Dave had the ropes better then JJ Abrams at least I think . Ahhhhh why can't things just work out

[@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495]

You folks crack me up. George knows Hollywood better than any of us!!!! He knew what he was doing. He could have kept total control of ALL of this!!! He took the 3BILLION and now can say whatever he wants. Do any of you honestly think the master negotiator/film making legend George Lucas would have a problem getting a Star Wars movie made by ANY director he wanted if that is what he really desired. Disney offered 3 billion and he took it.

[@jay8674]

@@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495 I honestly don't care for this type of stuff, but I think the main argument is he knew what he was doing, but didn't see how Disney could mess up Star Wars. On the other hand, he might have not cared anyway since he would probably get hate for anything he did after the prequels, which I personally don't think deserved the hate they got.

[@VlaunBurtlecraft]

As much as I thought Force Awakens was a decent movie, having Rey easily defeat Kylo in a saber duel was a bad move, especially in retrospect after the Last Jedi and it highlights the sequels biggest issue for me: there is no solid villain and no real conflict. Not even a morally grey villain, there's just simply no character that's a strong villain in the sequel trilogy. A strong villain also doesn't have to be physically imposing, as Moff Tarkin wasn't this giant imposing man but he had power signified by his nonchalant use of the Death Star on Alderaan. As much as Disney/Lucasfilm tries to paint Kylo as the big bad, it was all ruined in force awakens as previously stated. In comparison to the original trilogy while yes the empire suffer a defeat in the first movie, it was a close call and basically involved a suicide run down the trenches and it was almost by mere chance and the force that the rebels won that battle. Luke doesn't even attempt a one on one lightsaber duel and just has fleeting moments of using the force. It would be like if Luke Skywalker picks up a lightsaber for the first time and absolutely wrecks Darth Vader in a lightsaber duel in the very first movie. Doesn't matter if Darth Vader survives the fight, he would ultimately be seen as weak and unimposing--ultimately ruining Darth Vader as a character. Much like Kylo now.

[@MrZackavelli]

You know, I wonder, if George had been granted full creative control of the sequel trilogy, how would it relate to the Extended Universe that many of us have come to adore? It's not (or it wasn't) A-level canon, but everything in the Extended Universe was signed off on by George and he even made some creative choices himself, so it still has the rank of 'canon'. Would George have just completely hauled away everything he had given his seal of approval to and just started from scratch?

[@MatthewPalanca]

I'm pretty sure Lucas' treatments would have only divided Star Wars fans even more. What TFA did so well was unify fans new and old with something that was fun, easy to follow, and classic Star Wars. Lucas would have certainly done something more original, but his focus wouldn't have been to unify fans. It would have focused on midichlorians more. The sequel trilogy is amazing thus far IMO. Fight me.

[@ScooterinAB]

I cannot fight the truth.

[@acn7755]

I’m going to add my two cents to this discussion, though I know it’s not going to be popular. I love the Prequels, I practically grew up with the films, they have so much detail and you can tell that a lot of love went into them. The Original Trilogy are classic, they’re amazing, and tie in nicely with the feel of the Prequels. As for the Sequels: I found the Force Awakens too unoriginal to feel like a sequel. However I do like The Last Jedi, it has a different visually it feels different and unique from the rest of the franchise. The theme-work in it the movie is beautiful, despite it’s awkward flaws. However, the Sequel Trilogy lacks something to it. I can’t place my finger on it, but sometimes about it is gone, it doesn’t quite feel Star Wars, it feels weird. Though there are the same ships, droids, lightsabers, icons, characters, its missing that flare.

[@edenromanov]

I wonder if Bob Iger realized how badly he portrays himself with this whole George Lucas thing

[@dezznutz3743]

Read the excerpts in his book about this matter. Hes extremely arrogant and makes excuses for everything.

[@SuperWolsey]

"But you will vote for me, right?" -Bob

[@hrhbucket4268]

Maj. Eaton: And it will be, I assure you, Doctor Brody, Doctor Jones. We have top men working on it right now. Jones: Who? Maj. Eaton: Top... men...

[@adamdalliston8110]

All the more reason to boycott the rise of skywalker in theaters.

[@ArsMoriendi411]

YES. I'm standing strong. Disney needs to get the message, and that's the ONLY way they will.

[@grantmiller4646]

Exactly right. That is the only thing that will show Disney that we won't take this shit. This is the reason they had to change the title of the Solo movie in China, to try and trick people into seeing a Star Wars Story film. Stand strong my brothers and sisters.

[@SombraPiloto]

They've already killed off Han and Luke so I have no interest in the last film.

[@mhaze210]

I remember in either 1997 or 1998 when Star Wars trilogy was re-released to cinemas and I had to see every one. I owned the VHS trilogy but I wanted to see them in theaters (they came out 1 month apart starting in January ending in March). The new CGI stuff George Lucas added was bad, but I still loved the movies and got me excited for EPISODE 1 coming in 1999. Episode 1 I loved at the time, because I was able to experience a NEW Star Wars story. Sure my friends and I would make fun of Jar-Jar Binks, but even with some of the boring Politics, the world-building was just interesting. I just felt captivated by the World he would create with these characters... so I still saw Episode 2 and Episode 3, not liking them as much as the original Trilogy but RESPECTING THEM. The Force Awakens comes out... my friends walk out extremely underwhelmed, it was odd. We loved the look and sound of (most of) it, we just thought the story was kind of repeating itself from A New Hope... but if I DARED talk bad about TFA on KZbin comments OH MAN did I get attacked for it. The Last Jedi comes out... I started off loving it with the intro battle with the bombs. Also how it was feeling like something new again and not a repeat... THEN the movie ends by killing off an iconic character (and nearly making him a villain by almost killing Kylo Ren while he sleeps), but ALSO leaving me with NOTHING to go off of with the new characters Rey and Finn. So now we got the FINAL EPISODE coming out, and I still have no clue who Rey is. Why was she so powerful and didn't need Training in Episode 7? What is her mission? What is she really looking for? WHY IS SHE EVEN HERE? WHAT IS SHE DOING? Why isn't FINN a Jedi too? Atleast FINN has an interesting backstory with being a Stormtrooper, he atleast has some reason to be a Jedi... he had the will to LEAVE the First Order and fight for Good. HE CHANGED which is hard to do... atleast he has some reason to be a Jedi. REY is completely pointless and she is the MAIN CHARACTER.

[@idontwanttohearitidont4792]

Are you okay?

[@jobsingames]

Spot on, Disney have just ruined everything Lucas created

[@MasterEggroll]

Game Film HUB hopefully mandolorian brings star wars back

[@grotesque.]

@Alton Kilbourne he sold it cause some toxic fans hated so much his prequels and he sold it to relief from the hate

[@tauseeftariq3404]

I think you have absolutely nailed it. George Lucas and his “true” vision for SW has been shafted by big business. I don’t believe it when Bob Iger says he has regrets. He’s a businessman, George Lucas is a moviemaker and Bob Iger played George in order to get SW off him and make tonnes of money. Everything else is window dressing

[@amvforlife2886]

Imagine how the sequel would be if George had controll

[@glenwarner162]

I would like to see those treatments George wrote ...

[@tom53086]

Would be pretty awesome

[@christobahlabeg1549]

Disney and Bob Iger have destroyed my childhood.

[@zuckpls3016]

This is so sad, the 3 ideas George had for the sequel movies were completely ignorered. And he’s getting old, it would have been his last big project... and finishing the star wars saga.

[@craycejedi]

I think in part he thought leaving Kathleen Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm would guarantee the continuation of his storyline but in reality she hated him and wanted to try her best to destroy his life's work.

[@fido2644]

Bob Iger, "I should have handled it differently." translation "I never cared about George Lucas' story or opinion we got what he built and did not have to work for it.". Also if they cared so much about fans they would not have insulted fans for not liking the new Trilogy instead they would have taken the constructive criticism and used it to correct the direction of the film, but they didn't. George Lucas has already said he would not have sold the company to Disney if they had not had any intention to use his stories.

[@joyoustye2326]

So basically Disney tricked George out of Star Wars somewhat

[@FoolishPrince]

I think so... I wouldn't be surprised if they were manipulating Events and the backlash, going all the way back to 1999.

[@Attmay]

I guess he didn’t realize how much had changed there since the days of STAR TOURS. They also hired Industrial Light and Magic to do the work on CAPTAIN EO instead of the Imagineers.

[@comph2686]

Lucas when he realises his story won’t be followed: Fine I’ll do it myself.

[@nrg16108]

Use that 4billion $ and make his own sequels !

[@CellarDoorAU]

They (Disney) bought those treatments to bury them. That seems to be how it's playing out.

[@chesterfumblenutts6935]

The prequel defenders are the real star wars fans. God bless!

[@kartoffsun]

I once read that our timeline had skewed away from the real one in the style of Back To The Future, in which George has sold the company and is not doing the sequels himself. It brings many tears to my eyes dreaming about what could have been and seeing the legendary man crushed.

[@VincentG991]

In another Universe George kept Star Wars and made what he wanted and in turn created what we wanted.

[@Betin264]

YEAH! I liked this.

[@peace_love_unity]

Did you ever hear,, The Tragedy of George Lucas the rich?

[@jtfike]

This video repeats the same thing over and over. Lucas knew they reserved the right to change the story. Your question was answered

[@TheZowwee]

It just breaks my heart... I grew up with Star Wars like SO many other people and WHY, WHY, WHY did old George Lucas have to "sell out"? I think he really wanted to sell it then over see it and give his 2 cents. It's kind of like having a child, raising it... THEN GIVING THE DAMN CHILD TO A CULT!!! YOU'LL NEVER SEE YOUR CHILD AGAIN GEORGE! WHEN YOU DO YOU WON'T RECONIZE HIM ANYMORE! #Jake Skywalker! The CULT of Disney... sad. Just sad.

[@DevinJarosz]

this honestly makes me want to cry. if disney has just done the right thing...

[@lukenotskywalker2957]

The real ending to the Skywalker Saga has been stolen from us. We must fight for his films! There is still time to fix this. Fight! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@phoenixthebuilder205]

Does anyone else think George Lucas should have a cammieo in the last star wars movie in the finally of the Skywalker trilogy? Like a reble or first order officer.

[@KorriTimigan]

For George's own sake I want him as far away from it as possible. I see what you're saying, he deserves a physical presence in the final chapter of his trilogy of trilogies, but he also deserves for that to be a better film.

[@MalabarTheGreat]

That'd be great! He actually has a cameo in ROTS, inside the opera house.

[@FoolishPrince]

His one and only star wars cameo was in Revenge of the Sith. "Baron Notluwiski Papanoida"... In Expanded Universe Lore, he's a very powerful and influencing man, who deeply loved the performing arts. He was also very outspoken against Palpatine... That is until his children were enslaved. Hmmmmm *This is funny because Palpatine was a Sith Lord/Tyrant who was impersonating a Democrat Senator in a Republic (very much like FDR).. And we have Disney, who he's called white slavers, which is a capitalist company, with a Democratic tyrant CEO,*

[@FoolishPrince]

starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Notluwiski_Papanoida

[@TheGreatTimSheridan]

lucas was greatly vindicated by the recent trilogy. the last jedi was so terrible..it raised the bar for hollow filmmaking. and i dont mean the players, camera or victims.. its totally a basic planning problem. the disnet reich simply doesnt have the thoughts, vision or heart to spin the series. its very hard to write a great story. its not cheese wiz.. its a human achievement. they claim to have made another billion dollars. but it tasted bad. sludge. not bright. i would obviously be the best person to work on it. because i love the achievements but lothed the failures. i have other stuff in the genera.. a new and different series.. yes all over again. but i loke the lucas vision too. its not like you can replace camalot.. i just have more universes.. and miss the joy of the series.

[@guenthersiu6002]

[@soggerstheimmortal]

F

[@ScooterinAB]

Get over yourself, man baby.

[@TheGreatTimSheridan]

did you like the recent starwars efforts?

[@shanegraham2500]

Its be interesting to read the ideas Lucas had for the final trilogy. Maybe fleshed out as books.

[@natalieps2387]

Omg iger says George doesnt understand the pressure they were under to deliver star wars films?? Um George put out 6 films he was under enormous pressure u know bc he created them. In fact he was under so much pressure with the first one he lost his voice was in the hospital for exhaustion and bc he didnt want 20th century fox to own star wars George had to borrow a ton of money from the bank to finish it bc 20th century said theyd finish it if they got to own it plus the merchandise. So George's got everything on the line & if star wars failed he owed the bank a lot of his own money. The man is a genius he had the vision to create this world & know that merchandise would be huge b4 star wars their wasnt merchandise tied to movies. Also george donated to charity the entire 4.5 billion dollars he got from selling star wars. I wish more people knew that.

[@jaspertheultimatequartz2102]

George Lucas: Disney, your direction for the sequel trilogy is a mistake! Disney: From my point of view, the prequel trilogy was a mistake! George Lucas: THEN YOU ARE LOST!

[@MarkQuick0411]

Say all you want about George’s competence (or none at all) But at least he made risk Albeit not all of them worked but we got 2 good Cartoons (03 clone wars and 08 clone wars) Fans took it for granted and now they hate the new trilogy 🤦‍♂️

[@tomgriffiths2622]

Is there any other reason to BOYCOTT EPISODE 9🖖 TRUE BELIEVERS

[@YnotNomis]

THANK YOU!!! I said it to my friends that GL was going to regret selling it to Disney when it happen and look at SWs now!!! What shame for it to end like this!

[@booktrailers9598]

Disney, quite simply, took over Star Wars from the 'creator' the guy who knows how the universe works and entrusted to Kathleen. They promptly, went their own way entirely, and have since lost 80% of their fan base - Great idea, well done Disney!! :/ What is INCREDIBLY SAD, is that Mark Hamill wants NOTHING to do with SW and neither does Harrison Ford - Ryan could have put ALL the old cast into one shot, he COULD have! What a shame, we will never, see all of them in the same shot, on film again!

[@VindexInSanctiRex]

*THANK GOD* FOR THIS, NOW EVERYONE CAN SAY *OFFICIALLY* THAT *DISNEY'S START WAR IS A FAKE!*