The Fight for Bitcoin Against CBDCs with Mark Moss

[@Agoriasv.I]

Moss could use a lesson in humbleness. I mean authentic humbleness and not the picture of himself that he is trying to show.

[@torbenbohansen7643]

Mark got a brilliant mind. Thanks for sharing.

[@boostandflow4603]

You voted for Conservatives, speaks volumes.

[@HappyBody3]

Thanks Peter. Glad you challenged Mark on religion. I agree you don’t need to be religious to be moral. Like Danny, said, it’s about the way you feel inside. I think you could have pushed him more. Mark is religious at the end of the day IMO and he insinuates you can’t be moral unless you are which is not true. Great interview overall.

[@James-il3tq]

Problem with atheist morality is it's undefined and ever changing. It's based on "feelings" and "my own truths" which are classic beliefs of Leftists. Hence belief in more then 2 genders, ability to change it on a thought, etc. Atheists are also more likely to believe in government controk, intervention and redistribution. Surprised any true Bitcoiner would choose atheism.

[@BlokMonk]

So to you, it's relative right , it depends how I feel inside. So if I feel good taking advantage of young kids , who are you to tell me that it's wrong ? This is absolutely wrong...but it's exactly what you're left with if you believe in a feelings based relative morality

[@BlokMonk]

Seems like you missed the point, he's not saying that you can't act morally , he's saying that your position is ungrounded and ultimately incoherent

[@Britt0nYT]

Atheism generation after generation will lead to degeneration. I’m sure the atheists in the video have parents that were Christian that took them to church, this is obviously an assumption but I think it’s important kids grow up with religion rather than without.

[@nated80]

Digital engagement for Tucker is much higher because X reaches worldwide. Here in Australia, we don't get American cable. We don't get CNN, MSNBC etc, but we do get X.

[@waynerichardson1051]

Mark is amazing! Very informative discussion today! Really appreciated. Cheers

[@oliviawoodson1292]

I reluctantly watched this one. glad I did. the pushback and struggle was enjoyable. eventually there were some insightful points, . . .about the global need for a decentralized ledger that nobody can control

[@PetraOlah]

The debate about morality seeded by religion was cringe worthy. Thanks for pushing back.

[@James-il3tq]

Problem with atheist morality is it's undefined and ever changing. It's based on "feelings" and "my own truths" which are classic beliefs of Leftists. Hence belief in more then 2 genders, ability to change it on a thought, etc. Religion grounds people and society in shared beliefs and values.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

People also murder each other in the name of their “religion”, so…🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jcantonelli1]

Exactly. It's the opposite, actually - religion was seeded by morality.

[@markusdex]

@@James-il3tq Same goes for those who follow the holy scriptures Parts are disregarded in order to justify its absolute authority. Interpretations are regarded as absolutes, yet keep changing from person to person, from generation to generation. By cognitive algorithm, the scripture is therefore always right. Plenty of slave owners were avid bible readers, and went to bed each night “knowing” they were good men of god. Organized religion and morality is like CBDC’s: Take something that is universal, decentralized, available to everyone regardless of hirarchy, claim it to be yours and yours only - control it and make society believe yours is the only righteous option because god/state Then keep changing the code to suit your needs, just like Moss changes his argument to suit his narrative Nothing is more centralized than christians claim for absolute truth

[@TheFourSatoshis]

Mark is a G, can you guys get Dan Tubb back on but this time discuss 🇬🇧 2023 financial statements for government, like you did on his first episode for 2022

[@mattwatson351]

I agree Dan Tubb, for an update would be great

[@TESLA_MOTOR]

How do most of you guys still make profit, even with the downturn of the economy and ever increasing life standards

[@jmanjr]

What is a “G” ?!?!

[@jrthrash0525]

Gangster!@@jmanjr

[@clubuldeinvestitii]

Honest question, and politely asking: Is the audience demanding that Mark Moss return? I am finding incredibly difficult to connect with his persona for many reasons

[@Cronus6]

Used car salesman vibes. I couldn't get through it.

[@jcantonelli1]

I am not a Mark Moss fan either. Gut feeling has always been, "do not trust this guy".

[@Gunnar-Peterson]

Mark is great, I demand his return

[@rlcmark]

Can you explain why? I learned a lot from his channel. How money works, the FIAT money system, the role of central banks, the globalist WEF agenda, the opportunities of decentralized, deflationary bitcoin, …

[@ckfromnaples]

Kinda car sales man... but he's spot on many things.

[@jordanorta7476]

Mark always brings the 🔥

[@janetjacks3406]

Very interesting discussion, Mark brought much insight to the table and his historical information reminded me a great deal of what Lyn Alden speaks of also with regard the evolution of technology and he made a good point about governments no longer reflecting the structures that are now currently in place.

[@lastnamefirstname2390]

I'm glad Peter called him out at 49:30. This guy is lying nonstop 😂 but he did make some interesting points.

[@unintelligiblue]

People mistake good oratory for good arguments. Mark is ether clueless or conning, just look at how he breaks down and then swiftly steers the discussion at 51:25

[@janetjacks3406]

Really pleased also to hear Mark's view on AI, which I happen to agree with, versus Peter, who seems more catastrophizing. It is hard to imagine how to replace the lost jobs for sure but as Mark says humans have always faced this dilemma and it seems ridiculous to me that AI is so overestimated compared to human beings, they can't possibly compete.

[@MrTrda]

That’s not what he was suggesting…. Merely that it would be very transformational. Mark took it the wrong way and couldn’t properly defend his argument because I don’t think it is well thought out.

[@TenHigh5s]

Mark Moss is a politician. Knows what he's going to be asked, has answers ready, and is using body language and warm exchanges. Don't fall for this age old charm. Listen to what they actually say, or more importantly, what they don't say.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

Exactly! Not to mention, when he feels his point is being threatened, or questioned, he starts verbally muscling his way through the conversation.

[@sealobo]

Mark sounded pretty darn smart until he started talking about religion.

[@TenHigh5s]

He's a chatter that can talk his way, agree, and parrot his points until you agree or nod. He's a politician.

[@James-il3tq]

He did a poor job of articulating religion and it's huge impacts on morality on society. Societies without religion have constantly changing morals based on "feelings" which leads to beliefs like people can change their gender, etc. Lack of religion as Mark mentioned leads to people believing we need government to take care of people and have massive laws. Mark pointed out if people would follow basic rules of religion there'd be less people who believe we need government to control our lives instead of people taking care of each other willingly instead of forcefully through taxation.

[@scottmaran1004]

"can't legislate morality". All the worlds laws are founded in religious beliefs. Europe and the USA are founded on Judeo Christian writings. Without religion the world reverts to tribalism. It is an honor to steal, kill, or enslave the other tribes. Through every moment of history this has held true save portions of the last 100 years. Get a clue of how bad things can become, view every African nation. Claiming societal benefits while espousing atheism is weak moral character. Show me how I am wrong.❤

[@JAv-ti8uq]

This…. Exactly this.

[@dogbox2290]

Great discussion 🔆🌴

[@Themanvrg]

Peter is to bitcoin what Jason is to the all in pod

[@TheBitcoinExperience]

I watch a lot of the content Mark puts out. He really deliveries quality information. However, I also disagree with his statement that you can't act morally, if you don't believe in a deity. That's absolute nonsense. That's like him saying that the only reason he doesn't do all those bad things he mentioned is because he believes in a deity. Humans can live in harmony and not do wrong to others because they wouldn't want bad things done to them. Not only that, but when you do something bad to someone, you will feel like shit, once you reflect on it. That's, of course, if you're not a psychopath.

[@BlokMonk]

Many commentors are missing the point. Mark is not saying that you cannot act morally without religion. He is saying , that if you are a naturalist / evolutionist , your morality is ultimately ungrounded. Because if you wanted to continue evolution and survival of the fittest , thsts valid. If you are commenting that moraliry is based on your feelings, like the host said, that is extremely relative. Some people feel good belittling others, others feel good lifting them up. So again for the atheists, its not that they cant have a morality, its thst their morality is relative and therefore ungrounded, not absolute. Many people were so triggered to hear this logical truth that they completely missed the point .

[@frmcf]

I can see how this guy might seem like a great intellectual to someone who has never actually finished a book

[@Junglebtc]

Can you elaborate on that assertion? What specifically shouts non intellectual or for lack of a better phrase , he's stopid he be a dummy

[@Junglebtc]

Hey who the funk is deleting comments??

[@afterbirthbob]

Pearl clutching 54:55

[@ohgarrett]

😂📿

[@jshagenow]

Another great show…man what a convo!! Mark and Peter on fire! I need to listen again

[@seanatsnow]

Oh... and thanks for both of your advice over the years... helped a lot : )

[@unintelligiblue]

Mark's views on morality and religion are laughable. good job Peter!

[@bope73]

These guys are great advocates for BTC. Kudos for a better future removing money from the State.

[@rexparsons4944]

What a show, Mark Moss makes it real and puts this all into perspective, change is happening but patience is the key

[@seanatsnow]

I don't know Mark, but I'd like to.. lol.. was just in baja surfing for a few months... wish I could have run into ya... anyway... we're in FR.. lmk if your around and we'll shred some tubes dude...

[@dorothysayce6838]

.Mark Moss for President. No question! He’s simply the best

[@pcmackie56]

Moss is arrogant and not as smart as he thinks. He’s no Jeff Booth.

[@musashi4856]

@43:00 Moss is correct and also cites Jeff Both to back up his claim that technological advancements causes massive deflation whereby lowing the cost of goods. Poor people may be able to live for practically free. The host is a modern-day luddite that seeks government intervention that is the equivalent of burning down modern-day textile plants. The host fails to realize that technological deflation is "universal basic income" (UBI) via the market.

[@cryptoshrimp2075]

Always interesting to hear what Mark has to say. Great conversation/discussion!

[@paolotichelio7410]

Am I the only one thinking Mark is full of air?

[@JAv-ti8uq]

Well, something like air, but a little more brown.

[@gobuffs1993]

There’s a reason I stopped listening to Mark Moss. If you don’t agree with him gaslights you by saying “I didn’t say that”.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

Indeed.

[@franklinrodriguez1802]

Glad you pushed back on some of Mark's statements when he starts to make big judgments of people/ideologies that he doesn't agree with or subscribe too. Also he will just use Marxism as a blanket term for anything the state does but then with religion he argues against blanket terms.

[@walterblake1]

Great show

[@mazeman01]

Mark Moss seems to retain great faith in the individual. Peter seems to have trouble fully letting go of state-controlled "solutions" to future difficulties.

[@jcantonelli1]

This guy is clearly not dumb, but he's also a manic conspiracy-theorist. The last 15-20 minutes of this podcast was the best part.

[@cptaff]

He talked about history of technology.. simple, general 101 facts. Which part makes you think he's a "ct"?

[@TomekNYC1]

Yes

[@TenHigh5s]

I see a snake when I see one.

[@Junglebtc]

Could you elaborate further ?

[@nichole2757]

The only time I’ll ever entertain Moss is when there’s an adult in the room Like Peter. Mark likes to spout his political and religious BS and pretend it’s free speech when really it’s just where he hides his bigotry and obvious intellectual shortcomings.

[@mjschoensee93]

Oh boy

[@chrismale9976]

Mark Moss is the truth so calm to the point and positive for the future 🙌🏼 Great guy

[@thePontiacBandit]

Since the inception of WebMd, we've had a shortage of doctors. AI will only make it easier to do the same old thing. For example. It's arguably true that the quality of story and animation at Disney has dropped since they embraced CGI animations. Why is that? What is the value of a skilled animator with a pen?

[@ehuntley83]

Mark's right when it comes for a basis for morality, and AI. I'd like to hear more from the two of you to try to dig into this stuff some more.

[@DarkSagaOfGreece]

I totally agree with Mark on creativity and what i would call creativity or the Creator gift is creating something without being based on an existing model that can be copied and without asking for it to be created. So for example creating rap music for the first time. Creating encryption for the first time. Creating a new musical organ. AIs have no creativity. They are models that take into account datasets we feed them, they are trained on these specific datasets and you can ask questions based on these models and data included. Bitcoin is a masterpiece of creativity. Asking for example an AI for a new form of decentralised money without having any data on crypto would never propose the blockchain protocol as the solution. And to just make my point provable the above statement can be proved. Train chatgpt or whichever neural net tech on everything BUT blockchains and ask them for creating a new protocol for decentralised cash. It will never spit out thw whitepaper!

[@EthanMiller1]

I like Marks ideas and he’s definitely well read, but the way he talks reminds me of really annoying politicians who talk too much and don’t listen. It turns out being a bad mix of Democrats and Republicans. The worst qualities of both. Had to unsubscribe from him after awhile. Get a headache listening to his ‘me, me, me’ conversations.

[@kylenelson5552]

This was a great episode. Thanks to everyone involved!!! I appreciate the willingness to have tough discussions

[@joshpearlman9281]

Mark is a bit narcissistic for my liking, very much a "my way is the only way" attitude. I gritted my teeth and got through all his morality BS, I'm quite confident that I don't need his God to be a good person. Kudos for pushing back on that. Otherwise there were some good takeaways

[@Jbrandon77]

It looks like an X, XRP?

[@rickknight3823]

Great show as always chaps, I appreciate all your efforts putting this together. The future is bright 🌞

[@BruceDaughtry]

Peter just woke up and discovered AI ...

[@rigaleb]

What he is trying to say but doesn't know how to is that we cannot create life using basic blocks, literally we cannot just put aminoacids into a dish and manipulate them in such a maner so that they turn into a living organism that has agency. Of course we can clone, but we start with living tissue eggs and sperm from other people, we always get living tissue from some preexisting living tissue, we cannot create it out of non living materials. It's the old origin of life debate, it seems like no one knows how exactly protobacteria appeared, there are theories, but no definite proof so that is an argument for an intelligent creator. Which even you agree with or not, still hasn't anything to do with the fact that the whole world is raging towards a technological neo-marxism that favours centralized power.

[@athelstan106]

Baked Beans! 🤣

[@asifshiraz9493]

Shout out to the "five Pakistanis" 😂

[@Kaybe23]

Great Guest Mark Moss. Love also his channel. #bitcoin

[@edgewoodmodern780]

Mark, The Man-splainer Moss strikes again. He makes me cringe so bad

[@JAv-ti8uq]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kjreyes001]

Peter has way more enough patients for Mark...

[@BjornWiese]

Why have the blockclock if you intentionally hide it anyway? Honest question? Just remove it

[@VEGANWARRIOR]

No need to fight the Govt. #JustGoBitcoin. Govt. will do what they do, Bitcoin will always be tic toc next block. LOL

[@weissmannrob]

Very smart guy, but he completely underestimates the AI impact and in my opinion it’s a big mistake comparing it with other industrial impacts. Those were impacting small areas and the speed was low. Sure, causing problems. But as soon as you starting fiddling around with those AI tools, and it’s just the beginning, you see that this will impact soooo many areas at ones. And not just on a technical level. There will be impacts in technologies, for sure, but furthermore on politics, media, psyche, teaching/learning … Start fidling around with it and you get a glimpse of what is coming up.

[@edjude8409]

Im noticing more Jesus/god, and religion dudes in the space. I find bordering on offensive that MM believes that you cannot be a good person without god in your life…bollox…also Ray Youssef is really banging the god drum…seriously by all means have your beliefs and opinions, but don’t try and ram them down people’s throats 👍

[@mjschoensee93]

And vice versa

[@Pauljfrederick]

Mark didn’t do a good job of explaining his view on morality. The ideas he’s trying to articulate are robust, but he’s not a good spokesman for them. First, whether morality comes from culture or an in-born conscience-both views are compatible with theism or atheism. Where atheism gets weak on morality is the “why” do we need to follow this internal guide? There’s no rational defense for why that would be authoritative. Danny touched on a possible explanation: it makes people feel good. You could add that it helps human flourishing. But, it breaks down on conflict. And this gets to what Mark was trying to get to. How do you mediate between moral conflict. If one person wants to love their neighbor and one person wants to eat their neighbor, how do we know which is “right”? For Mark, you appeal to Creator. For Peter you would have to appeal to the group (or state or majority) as authority. Because if one person feels inside like they should be kind and one person feels inside like they should rule over you, how do you determine which is right? THAT is where Peter’s view struggles. I don’t really think Mark has thought through the AI thing as much as he could. I don’t think his conclusions about how AI can’t get as good as humans flows logically from his beliefs. Following the biblical narratives, the Creator gives choice to humans to do all kinds of evil to each other through tech. Anyway, interesting topic.

[@mjschoensee93]

💯 agreed!

[@bluefuzecom]

I thought this guy was pretty smart... up until he started talking about religion, then I lost respect a bit. Good job as an interviewer asking some tough questions

[@tokenomics1233]

i think those people that claim to be religios and do those bad things are really doing it for of power... and I had a friend that was a bikie once and he was bad, but said if he didnt believe in god he would of killed everyone.... so if those bad people didnnt have religion they would be even worse than they are

[@miketheminer]

Could AI create anything, that humans didn't create first? Just saying!

[@weaver03]

mark seems like a great, genuine guy, but damn... some of the things he says is just so yikes.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

I’ll bet Mark believes that Trump is a good Christian.

[@romeozulu4424]

Sounds like Mark does not want US institutions, SS, or Medicare.

[@Tenebrousable]

Glad to hear the Michael Malice occupying your thoughts. Michael, according to bible, is the right hand of God, or something like that. The irresistible force. And "Malice"? It's just too good. Anyone ever found out his real name? Moss brings the fire, like always.

[@handyrams4822]

To say that you are a Christian but you are not religious is the weakest argument against religion and I am a Christian. Just because people self proclaim to be Christian, doesn't inherently make them Christian. I would argue the evil wars caused by "Christianity" was not caused by real Christianity at all especially if that "Christianity" is making war to begin with. Jesus himself said that his kingdom is not of this world and it is not fought by physical warfare. The war we fight as Christians is a spiritual war. So, if wars are fought in the name of "Christianity" yet Jesus' kingdom is not of this world, whose kingdom did "Christians'" fight for? John 18:36

[@GreenwoodPeter]

I get the feeling Mark doesn’t believe half of what he says.

[@SevenRiderAirForce]

This guy was interesting until he fell down the religion hole.

[@mjschoensee93]

Atheists do that when they reject a person of a different faith. Atheists are people of faith they just think they are not.

[@Hasher411]

I'm done watching What Bitcoin Did. Peter, You should be ashamed on how you acted, and apologize to Mark for it.

[@williamwalker6967]

love this but people are getting dumber and more dependent on government for everything

[@charleshamel2797]

Don't talk about AI with a creationist.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

Yes

[@ggunjaca]

Life is God

[@bilowen]

Mark is huge 👍 incredible intelligent 🥂

[@alcottnine]

You didn't create yourself. You didn't create your world. You, therefore, cannot be your own moral agent. You are merely a created being acting within a body and a world and a law created by an unbegotten God. Morality is outside of your agency, it comes from a creator. Therefore, you cannot be a good person without God because you cannot know what a good person is without God. I'm sorry the Church of England is pathetic, but you all need to reexamine Jesus. Eternity is too important to just "I feel..." , "most people I meet...", etc, (outsource) the most important questions in life to others. The failures in the West (now) are squarely at the feet of secularism.

[@jrthrash0525]

This is amazing! You see Peter squirming because he has anger. If you are getting angry with someone else's beliefs, then look at yourself to see why. Go forgive you mother and father and our father in heaven will forgive you. Then you will see the truth. The spirit of God is within us all, most don't know this.

[@JAv-ti8uq]

Bahahahhahhahahahah, sorry sir, but your magic sky god is not real. He doesn’t care about you because he doesn’t even exist. Anybody that Uses religion as a crutch, is just a weak minded person. You don’t need a stupid book, to give you a moral compass.

[@tokenomics1233]

one of the reasons why the great depression was soo long, it was because of machines taking jobs, due to the industrlia revolution.

[@senorgringopapi2059]

Mark is super smart

[@pierrehollman4642]

Mark should have listened to his mother, and gone to college.

[@Handle35667]

The host had a real hard time keeping his mouth shut and not interrupting. Why was he so uncomfortable with what the guest was saying?

[@unintelligiblue]

because you have to call out your guests when they're full of shit.

[@mostly-harmless]

It's called a straw man mark...

[@JAv-ti8uq]

So let me get this straight, Mark is essentially inferring that if a person is not religious, they are completely devoid of any moral compass? Did I get that right?

[@Junglebtc]

No he said its his belief that ultimately, a moral compass is derived from a divine creator . He agreed you can be a moral/ethical person if you have no religious belief . Your misrepresented or didn't listen to this conversation fully

[@mjschoensee93]

Atheists think if you are a person of faith you have no brain.

[@MeZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ]

Peter is surprisingly combative, why the need to push back on marks religious views? We missed out on alot of what mark DOES know because yall spent so much time derailing.

[@chrismale9976]

Mccormack lol... I'm a statist but it's not a religion its definitely doesn't represent God..... are you religious.... No, im an atheist Ffs 😂😂

[@nadie2795]

So tiresome to hear you state that religion is bad because 'blah blah blah me'.

[@milk_maid]

horrible treatment of guest. the snorting-with-derision was juvenile and ungentlemanly of you.

[@yannickgranger]

Awfully boring stuff

[@beefquiche]

you don't deserve to have Mark on your show. after this episode I'm unsubscribing due to your poor quality of character.

[@jacobhawkins3795]

Peter...wtf. stop playing Devils advocate all the time. It's annoying, and it's keeping real conversations from happening.

[@Andmayyoualldie]

Mark spends all his days speaking in absolutes, gets called out on his bs, then says "I'm not talking in absolutes". Great seeing Pete and Danny push back.