The Force Velocity Curve & Your Training Pt 1

[@salimalim8945]

Basketball would be great. Thanks!

[@tomiesz]

basketball for sure, and maybe jump specific sports in general?

[@Sedefcho358]

Would love to see volleyball! Highly dynamic sport with LOTS of jumping, diving and short distance "sprinting", yet very highly technical. Would be cool to examine the differences between indoor and beach volleyball as well. Same goes for other indoor sports like badminton and handball where S&C is often overlooked.

[@noahtt3366]

It’d be really interesting to hear you guys talk about swimming in this series

[@sscswimmer1]

Second this. Don't forget that water provides accommodating resistance.

[@noahtt3366]

@@sscswimmer1 I’m mostly interested in effective dry land training. When I was swimming in high school we did minimal dry land until my senior year.

[@enochcrosby6630]

Yeah, swimming and rowing. I believe Fitz said he's worked with some rowers in the past. Physiologically, I think both sports are pretty interesting (good mix of aerobic capacity and power).

[@awildstrongmonappears6770]

AGREED

[@garrisongionet3079]

Agreed!! did a lot of random training for dry land swim training and would like to hear their thoughts

[@decklundy]

I'm a climber, sport and bouldering.

[@Rack979]

I was a track and field thrower myself, all throws. Shot put, discus, hammer, javelin, even the 35 pound weight throw! It'd be interesting to see where each throw lands on the curve.

[@GR3EE3N]

Ultimate frisbee

[@StarPlatinumSchmidt]

Mixed Martial Arts? Is it an endurance sport? A power sport? A CROSSFIT SPORT?! 👀🧠🤯 Where is it on the force-velocity curve? Everywhere????????! Also what happens to training programming if you're an amateur who does 3, 3-minute rounds instead of 3, 5-minute rounds? How much does this bias things towards speed and power, and how does one adjust their training once they go pro (thus entering that five minute round competitive environment)?

[@fortheunknownchannel6419]

..Do tell 🤔

[@srthyrdyjhy]

I second the motion

[@lukasdubb]

It is true, mma is crossfit. I’m sorry for your loss…

[@viator22]

MMA is a multi modal sport with a frustrating combination of high technical requirements along with high aerobic demands with bursts of lactic and alactic power. Even within the sport you get guys that lean much harder on one side than the other, with fighters like Max Holloway being far on the aerobic side and someone like yoel Romero being mostly a lumbering giant who occasionally explodes into terrific violence.

[@YTho-ev1ej]

RUGBY 🏉 A video on rugby would be amazeballs. Although in rugby it definitely varies based position and playing style.

[@18ironhorse]

Yes, please do Rugby next

[@gothops2632]

Sprinting sprinting sprinting! Please please do a video on sprint training.

[@scottmitchell1974]

Geez, fellas. You guys broke this down in a digestible way I could never grasp with other coaches because they were too busy being "genius" while you guys broke it down in layman's tetms. Thank you!!

[@therealb2414]

I’d love to hear your guys perspective on European handball

[@heftymultivitamin]

If you guys could do mens artistic gymnastics - focused on building strength alongside their event work during the off season, and maintaining it in season, that would be amazing

[@hamishmckenzie4912]

Waterpolo, a great mix of swimming, wrestling and throwing!!

[@Scott-zh5ip]

That end little quite debate 🤣 killed me. Love the channel lads. This was an awesome vid.

[@RoryP07]

I’d love to hear a video on this with regards to GAA. It’s not a sport that usually features heavily on the channel but I try to pick up as much relevant stuff from you lads as I can that’s applicable!

[@WonderrDogg]

Really interesting! Thanks

[@joelmartinez625]

Curious about tennis

[@deividasdvylaitis9356]

I would love for you to look at Track cycling. Specifically looking at the sprinting discipline of track cycling . You've looked at Robert Fortsmann squating before and I would love to see what you guys think about how s&c would play into improving power output on the track.

[@amazingzach28]

Please do alpine ski! I dont ski myself, but I coached a college ski team in the weight room. Super fascinating sport, and the athletes have some of the highest force outputs I've ever seen on Force Decks.

[@chadbecker9001]

yea ive found it difficult to find the right training module for power cleans & squats leading up to a ski trip. This may be more of a volume question for me, since the limiting factor that ends most days on the slopes is my quads cramping, but man can I grab an edge at speed early in the day.

[@owainwynjones5394]

A video on sprinting would be great

[@maxwhiteman3049]

Longboarding! Or in general, boardsports - surfing, skateboarding, etc. etc.

[@electivirethrows4298]

Fantastic, been looking forward to this video for ages, can't wait to watch it later on :)

[@swolson84]

I second the one for ice hockey.

[@laurie-london]

Thanks for this lads

[@joshuawhittick4496]

FENCING!!

[@timchampion5294]

Would love to hear about how you’d approach training for parkour. Aside from jumping there are also a lot of high velocity pulling movements climb-ups/180s like those in my recent Instagram post.

[@neilhutson1300]

This is my main sport as well. I've been supplementing it with weightlifting training for a few years would love to know your thoughts.

[@callumwright8723]

All for this^^^

[@therealforestelf]

I could soooo very much imagine you guys as profs of exercise science in sports lecturing at the university in your 40s, you'd be awesome docents!

[@maxpecarsky6221]

Ultimate Frisbee!

[@walsha21]

Hey Lads, Great video, as always (!). Sport - - I'd love to hear more about S&C for long distance open water swimming

[@walsha21]

Specifically, my interest relates to completing the Fastnet Lighthouse to Schull swim

[@tighemcasey7589]

I would love to see a video on rowing- I previously did track and grappling sports, and the physical performance feels really dissimilar to these sports.

[@lhoffmom]

Ditto Rowing and it would be interesting to include indoor / erg training.

[@daigeorge]

Agree rowing would be really interesting as always struggled to combine S&C work effectively without it having a negative impact on other areas of training.

[@AshRolls]

Endurance running!

[@jonathanzwicker979]

Would love it if you guys could do fencing esp Epee fencing. Very little empirical research on fencing and how to properly train and a lot of myths. Have been looking for a long time for a good analysis of this and have been watching you guys trying to piece it together. Thanks love your videos

[@henry_g_s]

I’m a discus thrower, would love to see analysis on the differences in training between the different throwing disciplines

[@MKGPerformance]

Sprinting and jumping related sports pls

[@remitregan4408]

I do freerunning/tricking and i'd love to hear how you guys would go about the S&C for that

[@kirby7475]

Do one on combat juggling!

[@stefanpreiss2657]

NZ crew checking in

[@slajmlord3211]

I would love to see basketball!

[@futurewolftsw4462]

Gotta start with weightlifting

[@EverWonderedWhy1]

Agreed

[@nickwysoczanskyj785]

Also agreed! It seems like the natural place to start.

[@EuskoViper]

Yep xD

[@recardotaylor909]

What about netball? Be interesting to hear your perspective from and S and C standpoint. Asking for my duaghter lol

[@charlie1541]

pls do basketball

[@siggipalli23]

If you guys could do a video on Olympic Weightlifting + Raw Powerlifting + Call Of Duty (how to optimise your central nervous system and recovery).

[@christomlinson6068]

Hockey, tennis and cricket

[@Fghjkjhljhghj]

It is an unpopular sport, but I would really enjoy a video about HEMA - historical european martial arts (that`s what I practise), or at least Olympic fencing

[@BlueSuedeAsics]

i may be completely wrong but the physical requirements are probably identical to most combat sports.

[@karisbaker2901]

second on the fencing

[@YTho-ev1ej]

If they do a video on it it’d be cool if Metatron or other similar channels shared it give its applicability

[@jonathanzwicker979]

Fencing!!!

[@electivirethrows4298]

Would love to see a video on discus throwing as it tends towards the speed-strength of the spectrum with high levels of coordination needed similar to weightlifting

[@marcmeigel6233]

Tennis?

[@F-Tier_Physique]

Will there be a series of you guys rating strength, weightlifting, bodybuilding, S&C programs etc? I'd like to hear what alot of programs do well and what they do badly. Especially for bodybuilding I think there are so many garbage programs floating around.

[@kirby7475]

I hope they do one, those types of videos are a great way for viewers like us to learn about and get some insight into programming. Most publicly available programs are going to necessarily be somewhere between garbage to meh. If you want a great program you’re going to have to get one that’s made for and adresses your individual needs and circumstances.

[@F-Tier_Physique]

@@kirby7475 yes. Ofcourse individualised programs are better in every way. But having specified which templates do certain things well and other things badly would go a long way to individualise them better for ourselves. Had my best results come from an intermediate Sheiko program for a sumo deadlifter and Mike Mentzer ideal program. Whilst the worst have been PPL and Westside conjugate unequipped. Id really like to see some good free templates highlighted that arent very popular also.

[@timhorgan1902]

High Jump and sprinting

[@stevenhewes1990]

Powerlifting, wrestling and triathlon.

[@andyjustason3141]

How would you increase my vertical jump?

[@greglindstrom1705]

rowing would be interesting

[@tariqo16]

powerlifting is my sport but at this point i got all my goals for this year so i keep fucking around with deadlift until the new year

[@Chrismcdonaldphd]

Soccer and Futsal 👍

[@a.julian3770]

Skateboarding! When you take out the fancy tricks, it's largely variations of squatting and jumping motions

[@jean-michelwelberich1789]

Handball :D love your content :)

[@harrison_caton]

I love your content : )

[@philter105]

Wouldn't mind a stab at Taekwon-Do. The ITF style specifically, although I'd be down for the WT/Olympic style as well. Force velocity curve training for kicking someone in the face please.

[@deangrandfield9611]

Badminton, squash and tennis?

[@deangrandfield9611]

Yea swimming and broadly solderiering? Like the training required for them

[@orlandoswift7398]

I play baseball and pitch, my question is how do you taper you strength work into speed work pre season over a period of time of between 8-12 weeks? How would this work for any sport? Thanks and love the channel

[@konstuh89]

Badminton

[@conorm7204]

I'm all in on renaming powerlifting to forcelifting.

[@liam.cameron]

Would be really interested in hearing what you’d recommend for parkour athletes, especially since there doesn’t seem to be many that do much S&C training even for top athletes.

[@arjunarjun7736]

Decathlon would be interesting!

[@jodyg.950]

MMA, obviously a very diverse sport with how many disciplines r thrown together so i would assume that the s&c has to be quite varied to be prepared for every discipline, i'd rly like to hear u guys' take on it

[@Shaat]

How can you keep squatting and deadlifting without having a negative effect on playing football? (Soccer). For sure I can relate to negative effects of squatting in the 80% range, didn’t notice much negative effect from DL in that range though.

[@albupavel]

My sport is living. How do i get better at living, and make living easier in general?

[@albupavel]

the answer is a 200kg squat and a bodyweight press

[@kylebarlow2977]

Rugby, specifically a back

[@zucinnied]

Parkour is an interesting one to hear your thoughts on

[@liam.cameron]

Definitely👆

[@javiercross9469]

Hello hello, looking to try out jiu jitsu and I’d be curious to learn about how the force-velocity curve should impact s&c training for that. Seems like sometimes you’re slowly squeezing, other times you’re quickly throwing. Is it a bit of both?

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Ive been noticing for a while, but that intro confirmed it. Eoin always gets on you for breathing loudly but I always thought I hear him breathe more than you. But it’s a stoic soothing breathe and doesn’t effect the video. I only started noticing cuz he brings it up. I really can’t hear you though maybe he’s deflecting or he feels your breathing is labored. Either way It’s one of the funnier things that you guys argue about on camera, but maybe take a yoga class together it would drive him crazy I think. Or if you want to fix it Buteyko breathing method. Don’t know if you’ve heard of it.

[@MrXdiddyx]

Rowing!!!

[@davidbendayan5612]

Ice hockey

[@aaronadkins9902]

As MMA fighter I would find this very interesting. would striking be more at the speed portion of the curve, wrestling against the cage further towards force and grappling exchanges in open cage space moving along the curve depending on the techniques used? Would this also mean for example a fighter focused on cage wrestling could help even their game out with speed work in their s&c or play to their strengths with higher force s&c, and then flipped with a fast but weak striker? Been watching for a while now lads and absolutely loving the content keep up the good work!

[@jg_jumps]

Wish the force velocity graph was normal with force on y axis

[@martine2210]

Canoepolo!!

[@EverWonderedWhy1]

Weightlifting's gotta be first

[@nickwysoczanskyj785]

Agreed, I hope they cover weightlifting first, too.

[@thejman01234]

Please more S&C for cyclists and runners!

[@2394098234509]

Particularly interested in this. Since low body weight is so important, I'm curious what strength numbers road cyclists and long distance runners should aim for. When I was running, I got my 1rm squat from 60kg to 140kg, but my running got significantly slower because I gained 15lbs in the process

[@iFlarsky]

I think there is probably a little bit of a difference in optimal training for those two, as running is probanly higher on the velocity curve and cycling a bit lower - also interesting to note that cycling is constant pressure while running is more like hitting the ground on each step

[@eliamt9845]

sprinting

[@seansweetman8411]

Jiu jitsu would be great!

[@GRINGEzZ]

Golf plez, I have a pro friend who i'll then share that video with!

[@matija700]

Sumo would be awesome

[@samhiggins4634]

Lads can you react to the liu vs ehab battle at the world championships

[@maxread4364]

I used to train Muay Thai with very little S&C. I was by no means world class but when you look at boxers in Thailand, the only S&C work they really do is pull ups and aerobic work outside of the sport specific stuff, whereas western Muay Thai fighters do lots of S&C work and don't often win against Thais when they fight them. Obviously there's a lot of nuance in combat sports but it's not like the training in Thailand is some secret art. Their training is well documented and well shared with the rest of the world. Maybe it's more for a Sika Psychology video where they're simply better because they are fighting out of poverty over there contrasted with the west where we train for different reasons. I was there for 3 months and got really quite good with their style of training as tough as it was. Maybe with S&C we'd see more longevity in the careers of boxers in Thailand because they tend to start at age 9, peak at 17/18/19 (becoming Lumpinee and Rajadamnern stadium champs), then fight in the west (usually making fools of us in regards to skill margins) after having amassed 200+ fights before retiring in their mid to late 20s. Would be great to see you guys include Muay Thai in for next video! Thanks for the amazing content as always.

[@Dorsiazwart]

Just wanted to comment on this because it also took me a while to see the ‘light’ of science based S&C as a boxer myself. The fact of the matter is that a great athlete will almost always be great regardless of their supplemental training. The lads have done a reaction video on Lebron James’s training and it was the shittiest training I’ve seen, but Lebron makes it work regardless since he’s a great athlete. The worst thing bad/inefficient training can do is injure or fatigue an athlete, and most great athletes have a very high work capacity and don’t get fatigued easily with or without PEDs already. A thai fighter who normally does a lot of sparring and has been doing it since his youth will still be good even if he does bad S&C. Reasons for this are culture and selection. Muay thai is in thai culture; they train since youth and they have decades of knowledge of the sport itself - far more than the west. And since it’s so popular the competition a fighter faces is obviously tough, meaning that only the best fighters come out on top. Compare that to the west where competition is far less and it’s no wonder these guys end up being so good with ‘bad’ S&C. Good S&C will still be the best way of increasing performance for the least gifted of us who don’t have access to the best knowledge and trainers, in my opinion.

[@richardpeterson4440]

I compete in strongman. One of the parts that make it fun is you actually have to be pretty good along most of the curve. Im very good at rate of force production and always score well in throwing events like weight over bar. I’m ok at rep events but struggle in the max events. Many of the guys that I’ve competed against, and even beaten, can deadlift 100lbs more then me. Even cardio plays a roll but it’s more like how long can you redline your body before you fall over.

[@jibbem]

Volleyball

[@jimhollen7839]

Yeah. Volleyball would be cool.

[@awildstrongmonappears6770]

Swimming 🏊

[@nathanmason4140]

Yo

[@ojmay...]

Weightlifting

[@snottie9129]

basketball

[@BluegillGreg]

Swimming and rowing would be great. Dinghy racing would be interesting too. Hiking out to keep your boat on her feet in a fresh breeze can demand sustained isometric strength: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5euiqWNrJuIhKc

[@addisonrowland141]

Parkour, its a bit niche but could be interesting

[@CeroAshura]

Chess boxing is where it's at for peak male athleticism

[@jk_0047]

Golf! I, like million of others, play golf and the amount of shitty information around training is unbelievable.

[@darrylpaynejr]

I’m 2 years late but do Skeleton!

[@joshuatill3274]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?😁

[@lukasdubb]

I lift rocks with the dark side of the force

[@churn_diesel]

I’ve never been called an athlete before. Thank you. I’m sending this video to my dad.

[@alextheguy1858]

Armwrestling for the algo-trending boost

[@jorgebs8446]

Skateboard? It is in the Olympics so it is a sport, right?