The Founder In Federation Prison | Star Trek Online Story Series E69

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

13:20 ; "Solids are irrational fearful creatures." Technically true, but coming from a Changeling that is hypocritical.

[@MedalionDS9]

She has reason to be at least fearful... she claims her people were hunted, abused, and nearly wiped out by their fear of them.

[@hellhell5800]

@@MedalionDS9 Now she tries to impose "order" out of fear of what may happen if she does not. Hypocritical ? Yep, but ironically enough, very human

[@trebot9292266]

@@MedalionDS9 " she claims her people were hunted, abused, and nearly wiped out" so were a lot of races.

[@canisblack]

@@MedalionDS9 Have you played through the DS9/Dominion arc that intro'd the Jem'Hadar playable micro-faction? She lies. She lies a FUCKING HELL of a lot. I'll not give any specifics, but let's just say that the Founder's victimhood narrative is a bit more complicated and a great bit more damning of the Changelings than she'd like for anyone to know.

[@dashfatbastard]

In psychology, it's called projection. See: Donald J. Trump.

[@sceneinvegas]

As I was watching the images from inside the jail cell, with the Founder.. I could almost hear Rene Auberjonois (Odo) talking about how - ' a changeling could be anything.. the mist, the walls, the texture on a surface..' rest in peace sir. all hail Security Chief Odo!

[@mb2000]

Please tell me the prison holograms say “Please state the nature of the security emergency” when you turn them on.

[@Qardo]

No, it is more like, "Set Phasers to wide beam stun."

[@radeadcool]

Not this one but there is another Hologram creation of a Star trek current cast member that does, But hes super far away from it.

[@davetycho8330]

I read this in Robert Picardo’s voice.

[@MedalionDS9]

REally enjoy when they get the actors to fill in dialogue for their characters in past eps

[@orkloven]

I'm on episode 54 now. I'm loving the way he does these videos. He really roleplays well while still having a sense of humor about the games foibles and silly moments. Very entertaining. I'm working on my 3rd character playthrough in the game now, a Klingon captain, and these episodes is helping keep my enthusiasm for the game sparked.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

I remember back when there was a playable mission in the Klingon War arc where you as a Starfleet Captain could capture Amar Singh. Would be nice if some of the really old missions returned.

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Even moreso since one of them had Julian Bashir make an appearance as the doctor, even had Alexander Siddig reprise the role. It would be a shame to not use that VA

[@ReyOfLight]

It’s really a shame they completely removed that episode and the one where you go through that old portal, and the episode where you were slipping around on that icy planet battling Klingons

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

@@ReyOfLight They have said that they plan on returning those stories, especially the Guardian of Forever arc because those episodes where the last works of Leonard Nimoy IIRC. I would hazard a guess and state that they're revamping those episodes to more fit in with B'Vat, J'ula, and House Mo'kai because B'Vat was responsible for wiping out the House in the 25th century.

[@TheAgent0060]

I did it as a Feddy (the Amar Singh mission)

[@angelphoenix7784]

Agreed. I just logged in last night and was shocked to see all of the missing missions. They gutted alot of the arcs. And added nothing to replace them.

[@canisblack]

Two things with the Jem'Hadar and Karu'kan defying the founder. First and most important - she never actually gives him any orders. In fact if you look at it through a slightly paranoid lens then it looks a lot like she's telling him that he's been disavowed and is ordering him to continue on until he either wins or dies. Either outcome is good for the Domnion (and the Founder in particular) as it weakens an opponent in a way that cannot come back to them. Second: I think there was an episode or two in DS9 where it's revealed that the Jem'Hadar's loyalty programming isn't as robust or fool proof as marketed and they rely much more heavily on indoctrination and drug addiction to keep them in line than their genetic engineering skills.

[@radeadcool]

Hence... the White.

[@Lambda3141]

Me, watching the finale of DS9 over the weekend: "I wonder whatever happened to the female Founder after she was arrested." Certifiably Ingame: *releases this video today* Perfect timing!

[@dragonfire4527]

There's also a Star Trek book mini series called "Spotlight Cardassians" where a black ops group of Cardassian soldiers (called the Rom Knights) plan on infiltrating the Federation prison where the Female Changeling was being held at (not the same prison shown STO, but a very well guarded high security prison) so that they could kill her as revenge for her ordering the Jem'Hadar to kill half of their population and rebuild Cardassia into the empire it once was, but of course Garak had a spy sent there to stop them from succeeding. But the Cardassian-Bajoran hybrid Demos leader of the Rom Knights was just using them to fulfill his real goal of making Cardassia pay for it's crimes for the Occupation of Bajor by killing the Founder so that the Dominion can wipe out the last Cardassian survivors all im the name of justice for Bajor. Of course Demos fails and is imprisoned I presume I haven't read the comic only looked it up online.

[@darthvendar6841]

"We make our way to zone B and we eventu-" I guess it's not just the floors and walls that are missing

[@kevlar3994]

I think he was joking about the fact that he was stopped by a pointless door opening prompt.

[@nutzeeer]

11:21

[@silenttoxic707]

This damn shit almost made it impossible to complete the mission

[@starsgt]

"If we engage in augmentation on a military scale, then it becomes another arms race". *COUGH* Genetic Resquencers *COUGH*

[@cholodelrosari0543]

I wonder if Odo yearly visits her in her prison cell, knowing she needs to know how the Great link is doing and how Odo managed to reform the Dominion and changing their perspective about the solids. I can imagine Odo, along with his right hand vorta a Weyeon clone, based on Weoyeon 6 personality, visiting the female Changeling, to make sure that the Federation treats her nicely

[@patrikhjorth3291]

Well, it is sometimes very obvious that the game has been around for a decade, unfortunately. I wonder why they replaced the original Warden model? Edit: Now I remember. In some of the newer episodes we get to visit the facility during the Discovery age, when the staff are organic, not holographic. Oops.

[@NumericChaff]

Space is fun, but the second i land anywhere it's like stepping back into 2011. You'd think they'd have made even minor improvements by now.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

All I can think of is imagining Wayoun going, "Captain, I *needed* that!" :-)

[@DavBotsArcade]

Auto subtitles on the founder: "What do you want, salad." 😂😂😂

[@orkloven]

They probably can't tell us from a salad until one of us moves... Spoilers: probably not the salad...

[@Kainlarsen]

Some cheese and continental meats to go with my lettuce, thanks!

[@salenstormwing]

22:50 "Captain, the shields are at 47 percent and falling. And you're oh so dreamy. Not as dreamy as Captain Hale, but still dreamy. Remember me when you get promoted to the Enterprise!" Seriously, was that the Caitian Bridge Officer talking? Yeah, uh, not the voice I would expect from a kitty crewmember.

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Yep that was Lt. Kyona, Chief of Security and tactical officer on the Belfast. Although the only other time you hear her talk she was voiced by Adrienne Grady of Priority One Podcast fame. But that mission was "First Contact Day" which hasn't been run since 2015

[@salenstormwing]

@@nathanielheilmann7351 I remember "First Contact Day". I guess that's why I was weirded out by the voice, since it didn't sound the same as what I remembered, and it just didn't sound very "caitian" sounding. Not even a hint of some slight voice change.

[@barrybend7189]

I love how certain characters here end up in a TFO later on. The mirror equivalent is very fun to play through.

[@fingerboxes]

Maybe Karu'kan has such a large ego because he's the oldest Jem'Hadar to have ever lived--to make it to 15 makes you an honored elder, no Jem'Hadar has ever lived to 20 before, and here he is at over 35, still as strong as a 10 year old. Their entire culture, even after you remove the addiction element, is based on respect for hierarchy and the chain of command. Even Jem'Hadar who are no longer part of the Dominion will have a First they obey to the death. I could imagine him as the oldest First in history having a mythical quality for his abnormally long lifespan: some kind of a sainthood, ascended from honored elder to immortal legend.

[@TannithVQ]

I do look forward to these episodes. Please keep them coming.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Perhaps he went rogue due to a psychotic break likely being the result of severe cognitive dissonance. He was engineered by the founders to believe that "victories is life" only to be told by a founder to surrender and withdraw. Under these circumstances, how could any other outcome be expected?

[@archontiverius]

To be fair I don't remember the Jem Hadar being arrogant glory seeking warriors ala the Klingons, more like professional, albeit fanatical, supersoldiers. To be told to withdraw by their higher ups, especially the higher ups that are literally gods to them, while probably irking, would be seen as the correct course of action, genetic engineering or not.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@archontiverius Not all warriors crave war. They are merely called to it. As far as the order to withdraw from a higher up considered by them to be a god is concerned, it conflicts with another order still fresh in their minds given by another of their gods. Two gods to whom the Jem'Hafar are equally loyal and are bound to obey gave them conflicting orders they are bound to obey. This is where the dissonance occurs as they can not obey one order without defying the other. Total obedience to the founders has become impossible. It is irreconcilable. It is paradoxical. This is where their minds would break.

[@AzraelThanatos]

I think it's also the view of seeing his god essentially call him and his troops, essentially dead to them... All that's left at that point is how to die. He is planning to die, either from the Federation or the Dominion for a failure that was entirely out of his control

[@AdamantLightLP]

This episode highlights one of my griefs with star trek. Why are the jail cells force fields?! The instant power fluctuates (which it always seems to do) everyone is freed. At least have a combo of bars and shielding. Security/safety systems should always fail so they are stuck active, not so they instantly shut down.

[@comentnine1574]

I wonder how many more “lost chapters” are there gonna be until we get back to the present?

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

There is the Breen Arc (Completed); The 2800 (Current); and Spectres (Likely the next arc)

[@scottmantooth8785]

*many of those "lost chapters" could be redacted or have a temporal causality dampening protocol set in place to deter outside tampering with the space time continuum by nefarious races intent on disruptive reorientation of the Quadrants Exo-Political Dynamics and Power Structure*

[@liljenborg2517]

And I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips the specters story. Though it would be fun listening to him flirt with Scotty’s girlfriend on Drozana station while he figures what drink to make for her. And how many tries it takes him to do the time-warp slingshot around a star maneuver.

[@mckenziecalhoun316]

@@liljenborg2517 it' s a super funny arc, except for thst spooky "bonnie-kin, bonnie-kin" mission, HATE that.... horrors suck

[@rachagainstthemachine.]

I absolutely love this series. I stopped playing sto a long time ago so it's great to see how the story progressed and the side missions I missed. Plus ur narration makes it feel like a TV show. Im sure these aren't easy to make but I really appreciate it xx

[@genejohnson2834]

Love the story line of these videos. Keep them coming!

[@smudge4331]

The 3D modellers must of loved making the Founder models; they already looked like low rez PS1 NPCs.

[@paulsenior33]

Must have not of

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Guess no one told the Dominion that the federation is 35 years more advanced than before which means at this point it is OP. But it looks like the outdated Dominion fleet somehow got more advanced.

[@radeadcool]

Can not wait till you get to the temporal war and "new" DS9 arcs

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

Regarding the Jem'Hadar rebelling, there was an episode of DS9 which revolved around a group of renegades who'd gotten their hands on special warp gate technology, and had proven immune to the normal methods the Founders use to control their soldiers. It's a rare "defect", but one that the Dominion has had trouble in removing from the Jem'Hadar gene line.

[@ManabiLT]

I really enjoyed this video! I can't play Star Trek Online due to 3D sickness problems, but I'm still interested in the stories. And frankly your comments during the story were _hilarious_.

[@liljenborg2517]

I also really liked the set design on the facility. But it did have a lot of loose threads that they never did anything with, except that you do run into that Romulan empress again flying around in a sort of half assimilated state in one of the instances.

[@ArticBlueFox96]

That prison is cruel. I thought the Federation had already moved beyond prisons by now and were using penal colonies, and I always hoped that in the Star Trek universe they would eventually abolish prison.

[@Vesnicie]

Wow, the quality of voice acting on these games never ceases to be totally balls, does it?

[@gallendugall8913]

Inmates used to jump through the roof on those stairs when they died making the non-lethal option impossible.

[@invisi-bullexploration2374]

I don't think he was 'rebelling' I think in his twisted own way he was trying to redeem himself. "See what a great warrior I am?!"

[@MgaTalunanKayo]

Isn't he the same warden from the 22nd century? Hadrian Vosker? haha

[@bheppes]

Love the stories ... since I never got a changes to play the game myself.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Solids are fearful? Last I checked, the Founders have built an entire empire because they're scared solids might hurt them.

[@Critter145]

Salomé Jens voice is amazing. I literally watch this to hear it.

[@barrybend7189]

If you play this with a temporal recruit TOS character you will learn from a probe that the system failure was caused to grab people for the temporal war.

[@andrewgilbertson5672]

That did feel a bit sloppy and confusing; nice job making sense of it! An interesting take on the female changeling- that she surrendered not because Odo convinced her to end the war or that it was right... but that she saw it was necessary to satisfy his sense of justice and win him back for her people. That felt very well-done. But the Jem'hadar rebelling definitely felt like "We want fights because it's a video game, let's make some fights happen here! Doesn't matter if it makes no sense!"

[@Davlen]

Good series, only sad it doesnt come out more...

[@captainrgd1565]

Have you ever review the Mirror Universe? All their ship's or uniforms?

[@theharbingerofconflation]

Wait all the prison guards are Holograms? Isn’t that a security risk in case a prisoner builds a jammer?

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

11:00 - 11:20 & 17:50 - 18:20 ; I do recall that inside that room there are other prisoners with readable bios like in the isolation wards. Did you skip them on purpose, forget about them, or just did not know?

[@francisshortjr]

Perfected the slip stream drive

[@badkarma3059]

I had fun playing through that as well.

[@bigbear1293]

Karu'Kan being able to rebel actually makes perfect sense. It's explained in the episode "To the Death" (Weyoun's first appearance) that the Founders control over the Jem'Hadar is a little weaker than they let on. After all they would not need to be addicted to Ketracel White if they were held under perfect control

[@TacComControl]

"To maintain custody of the founder" If you want the founder to be maintained as Custardy, just give her her bucket!

[@gagaplex]

That prison is a ton more awesome than a Starfleet prison has any right to be. EDIT: Okay, seeing how much it failed at detecting *anything* going on, I guess it's appropriate for Starfleet after all.

[@radeadcool]

Prefect warriors? You mean like Jem'hadar?!?

[@sagesheahan6732]

Too bad you didn't grab the Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer. Having a crew member of Hale's be a Jem'Hadar would be fascinating.

[@darkwingduke1631]

Oh my god, they got Jeffery Combs. Makes me so happy to hear him

[@MedalionDS9]

They also got Salome Jens to reprise her role as the Founder

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

They got a lot of Star Trek alumni to reprise their roles in-game.

[@darkwingduke1631]

@@MedalionDS9 Damn its too good

[@darkwingduke1631]

@@nathanielheilmann7351 It makes me incredibly pleased to hear them again. I miss DS9

[@cylontoaster7660]

Ya, fantastic to hear the original actors reprising their roles, even if it is just in STO

[@IBYDCFLY]

Gorgeous ship!

[@SnifyWisper]

Nice.

[@neilsanghvi5229]

Kar'ukan is over 34 years old? He must be an honoured elder indeed!

[@christopherg2347]

Jem'Hadar have titles like "1st" or "2nd". Vorta are simply adressed as "Vorta", or whatever else is nessesary to get your Kethracel dosis on time. Weyons could been adressed as "Target Practice", "Transporter Accident", "Traitor", "Necksnap" and similar names. That line has quite the turnover...

[@christopherg2347]

9:00 Even worse then teh Augment Armsrace, is that we would create Augment Armies. Such armies could overtrhow the "normals" mid war or afterwards. The very thing people are most worried about.

[@christopherg2347]

10:00 It is a reference to a time a Vorta said it to Sisko. I think was the Episode was "Starship Down"? That time they captured a JemHadar ship.

[@christopherg2347]

12:00 Odo had similar shapes in his quarters, later on in DS9. Otherwise his room too was rather "sparse". For the longest time he did not *have* a living quarter, simply sleeping in a bucket in DS9 security.

[@christopherg2347]

14:10 The Priority of the Dominion war, was protecting the Founders from the Alpha Quadrant. "What you control can not hurt you", is the motto of the Founders and thus the Dominion. But she explicitly said she "would give up the entire Alpha Quadrant, to bring Odo back to the link". So he was at least plan B.

[@christopherg2347]

16:25 Where they came from? They were shrouded. Jems can do that.

[@Werezilla]

I don't know if I'm comfortable knowing the Federation named their prison computer system ISIS. Also if everyone thinks the voice acting for the Caitan on the bridge of Shon's ship is bad, then I'm guessing they don't remember Torg, as well as many early game Klingons, who sound like they have a mouth full of food when they talk. Like that Wolden guy who shows up at the Khitomer Accords and is later killed by M'Tara.

[@vegeta002]

Starfleet naming stuff after Gods and Goddesses is pretty standard, so naming a computer system after an Egyptian Goddess isn't unusual. It's also not called ISIS, it's called the "Inmate Security and Information System".

[@Werezilla]

@@vegeta002 I wasn't talking about her. I was talking about the terrorists.

[@vegeta002]

@@Werezilla I know, I was pointing out that the name has been in use long before they appeared and why it fits Federation naming sense. The name Isis does not belong to them.

[@sentinelxcix2526]

Hasn't this arc been "discontinued?" This, along with the Cold War, Spectres, and Wasteland missions aren't under the episodes tab any more

[@danaripley1200]

The founder spent 34 years in prison? That is a stretch.

[@scothancock2586]

That Bajoran was Martha Haskell. Her voice is unique.

[@sh1701-A]

I wish I could play this on my Mac. Sadly, STO isn't available for Mac. ;(

[@Joso997]

This series is the oldest in STO. The only cool thing about it is walking on DS9 from outside and mixing drinks

[@defies4626]

No, actually. There are still several only slightly revamped launch missions in the Klingon arc, the Reman arc, and both of the other lost arcs came first. This was actually the immediate precursor to 'modern' sto storytelling and came out shortly before New Romulus and the start of the Sphere arc.

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

@@defies4626 Yep, IIRC Spectres was the first series to come out with dedicated VAs. Or at least that was the one that got the most reaction because of said VA.

[@Joso997]

Well it was the first one if you were a free user. I got all of my best equipment here. This was in time when we got that mining adteroid mission and the foundry. Bring back the foundry :(

[@defies4626]

@@nathanielheilmann7351 "Bonnie-kin..."

[@dancingbearandkoala9743]

Wow that was amazing what happens next great vid

[@bjornjoseph]

I guess my question is, being away from this game since the Dyson sphere, how does one get back into it without being a n00b

[@Shadx27]

One thing I did not like about this mission. How did the old Jem'hadar ships get there so fast? In my head, we rode in the Gama quadrant Jem'hadar ship to the location, and the rogue ones quietly kept up.

[@barrybend7189]

These ships might have been upgraded in war to be able to do warp 9 plus.

[@Shadx27]

@@barrybend7189 Game ships had quantum slip drive and transwarp. It is a plot hole.

[@thebeleagueredreviewer2349]

The Vorta give me gas.

[@golgarisoul]

Nice

[@Janoha17]

So Episode 70 is going to be 'Boldly They Rode'?

[@ShadeMeadows]

*NICE*

[@oliverfranke7650]

I just don't get it. First these episodes are part of the STO canon. Then they remade them with the Gamma arc, just to outright remove them from the offical storyline and put references to them in the shitty STD arc. That doesn't make any sense.

[@Iceflkn]

:54 hey, she should yell louder because, that really helps.

[@elliec2943]

I've decided that this is canon, as I always wanted to know what happened to the female changeling after the Dominion War

[@XX-sp3tt]

15:22 Moment of truth.

[@star86703]

I'm really enjoying star trek online video there good😁

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

So, you still did not use medical shield and free doctor bridge officer.

[@spartana1116]

2:08 why is there a discovery warrden?

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

They revamped the old Warden when Age of DIscovery came out, likely because this is going to be revamped to deal more with the Disco storyline

[@spartana1116]

@@nathanielheilmann7351 yeah the layout lookd simmular as now I realized that this removed mission was recycled for the discovery story line

[@ReyOfLight]

The warden is a hologram of the warden in the Age Of Discovery episode where you visit the facility

[@fingerboxes]

It might not be justice for all the Cardassian and Federation civilians that she killed to release her, but at the same time, if you don't how many more civilians are going to die--starting with the ones on DS9?

[@onlycorndog6322]

Wait, so if Tzenkethi Admiral Tzen'Terak was actually the Female Changeling the entire time, does that mean the entire Tzenkethi story arc was Hale's fault for freeing her?

[@billnotice9957]

I think they nailed THE FOUNDERS reaction perfectly. Granted. It would of been a very boring game if THE FOUNDER would of been delivered without incident.

[@russianred128]

Audio cut out 11:30

[@Dan__S]

Man..I don't even care about any of that picard nonsense, this is way more entertaining and closer to what cannon feels like.

[@hettbeans]

Yikes. Say what you want about Picard, but this on par with mid-tier fan fiction.

[@Allhailthesith]

Holy shit!!!!!!!!!

[@matthiasbecker5064]

I have the feeling that this part of the story line is exceptionally poor....

[@thesnare100]

Wasn't the Jem'Hadar's fault, the prophets were holding them back, they didn't fail.

[@stevenyia2778]

Exactly

[@adamofgrayskull7735]

Is that Jefferoy Combs

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Yes, Jeffrey Combs has revisited his Star Trek characters in STO including Weyoun.

[@EnderMalcolm]

I feel like redacting a location and any information about it makes it a bigger target for anyone curious. And the Federation is made up of curious people.

[@asasial1977]

I've tried to play Stat Trek Online several times, I just can't get into it. For such a great franchise the games really struggle IMO.

[@jacara1981]

The prophets have messed with the personality of others before. Perhaps they saw the programmed obedience as something they should remove and did so.

[@Janoha17]

Or he ran out of Ketrycel White.

[@Geth7777]

Episode 70: Kirland Here

[@DarkGob]

nice

[@mrXOwarrior]

Hey Weyoun who won that war again?

[@CloneShockTrooper]

Weyoun.. ? Thought he was dead

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Without spoiling anything, no it wasn't worth it.

[@defies4626]

No, no it was not.

[@LordTalax]

Sorry Commander buzzcut I don't take orders from you

[@XX-sp3tt]

11:30 Eventually what?

[@lessonslearned2569]

Federation combat armor?

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Discovery-era Tactical Uniform. Not really combat armor as it couldn't even stop a knife, much less a disruptor.

[@Captain11890]

Let’s go grab your god! Love it!

[@SlashDotDash121]

Tell me Q shows up one day :)

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

Well, the episode with him in it was removed, I believe, but he does show up for his "birthday" and the Winter event.

[@KhemistryIBMOR]

Love Weyuon (sp)

[@bjornjoseph]

I memba this mission

[@tyreecebaker6600]

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