The four pillars of a decentralized society | Johann Gevers | TEDxZug

[@jesseb6109]

We need this now more than ever! I have been trying to advocate for decentralization for about a year now, nobody seems to comprehend it. Glad I found this video, might help others understand.

[@stephb7702]

yup ive recently realized that it IS the answer also... let's stop trying to fix their broken systems and instead build our own parallel advanced societies that renders their insanity obsolete

[@EIKLURAM]

I'm not convinced decentralization is the answer to everything.Some things need to be centralized or nationalized such as the NHS or the Railways social housing etc .As private decentralized companies may have different policies that infringe human rights where there is no ability for local decision making within that private decentralized corporation.

[@MinisterRedPill]

​@@EIKLURAMI don't see the problem. Let the marginized people create their own decentralized groups as well. That's the whole point of decentralization. If I don't want to to work with certain individuals than I shouldn't have to, and no one should tell me or force me to. And so too, people who feel like their "human rights" are infringed upon can also form their own decentralized organizations.

[@789overdrive]

Probably may happen when time comes when there is dire need of major changes...

[@tsunami2998]

Quickly: The Pillars of Decentralization. 1. Decentralized Communication; Communication without censorship, through the internet and cryptography(The latter to make sure it stays uncensored). 2. Decentralized Law; The choice of our law, judge, and our enforcer. 3. Decentralized Production; Anyone allowed to make products(Like 3d print things and using solar panels to get your own energy). 4. Decentralized Finance; Decentralization over currency and legal contracting platforms.

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[@danno1800]

Thanks - much appreciated!

[@yomstausiluskau9425]

Decentralisation is a system of advancing humanity and valued all human knowledge with out discrimination....

[@yomstausiluskau9425]

Decentralization of communication is the master key and foundation for all the others pillars to work effectively.

[@blakesmith9039]

Yeah as long as you pay taxes on cashing it in. That means the government and the fed still control it.

[@GameDevNerd]

Wow, I'm just a few minutes into this and he's hitting the nail right on the head. I have always done a good job of arguing for this sort of free society and winning debates against statists. But he's finding some great ways of articulating certain concepts better than I had before. This talk is going to be very helpful to me in spreading the message. I love the opening about Dunbar's number and how people based trust can't scale but technology based ones can scale infinitely. As a software engineer this really strikes a chord with me! Thanks so much for posting this!

[@jeehooahn9114]

The completeness and fundamentality of the concepts in this video are so awesome.

[@emmanueloluga9770]

@jesseparker85 Ahem, dont forget the actuals accomplishments inspired by Africans to the greeks, especially Egypt

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[@DidiArte]

This is SO great. My heart has been in this place for such a long time! Not a pyramid, but a gigantic, interlaced flower of many circles joined together!

[@Jonny_Noname]

this just describes a different pyramid. the value system is ultimately centralized when accruing wealth/excess is still the central purpose. Why should everyone live the same or value the same things? shallow thinking

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[@haveagudday8068]

@@Jonny_Noname Because having wealth enabled us to have access to basically anything the world has to offer? And to fullfil the basic needs for us to survive in the modern world. As humans we have to strive for something that keep us moving so that we don't fall into existential crisis. So it's pretty much one of the best value system you can get. Without it you'll just be a nihilist and live a life full of pain and suffering and I can guarantee that you don't want that. But, it doesn't mean that you can't get fullfiled by other things, If you have a better value system that suits yourself then go ahead, no one stopping you.

[@ranguy1379]

@@Jonny_Noname I wanna hear your take on this though. I'm interested, what sort of a future do you want? What do you propose?

[@Jonny_Noname]

@@ranguy1379 Eh... that's difficult to summarize since there is no one size fits all solution... ultimately a world where power isn't totally centralized in such a way where individuals are required to appeal to a central power before an individual may meet one's individual needs... a world in which we make social/economic choices voluntarily without coercion... a complex multiplicity of diverse competing systems which we are able to opt-in or out if we want to... a world which preserves free-will... which allows people to make either bad or good decisions with the opportunity to live and learn from those choices... I'm for open source solutions... open boarders... medical freedom... and ultimately the dissolution of governments and any other highly centralized power structures such as central banks, central power grids, and centralized inform systems (big tech, big media, big acedemia)

[@BrideofYahusha]

Live life Voluntarily

[@94nolo]

Yessir, yes ma'am!

[@YanKickOn]

One of the most inspiring, practical and achievable vision of our future world - Get ready to embrace a de-centralized future built on trust and honesty embedded and enforced into the regulatory system which will enable honest transaction, production and communication free from monopoly, manipulation, abuse of power and conflict. Sounds idealistic but looks achievable!

[@yaneperon6296]

Blockcain can only enforce integrity of digital information - that can be tested and validated by an algorithm, though.

[@EisoVaandrager]

Excellent talk, I 100% agree with this direction. Love to support this further.

[@dominicpukallus]

TED these days seems like so much Info Lite. Thank goodness for TEDx!

[@benodov]

The world of the future can only be based on trust among people who can then build the world of humanity, social justice and ecological responsibility. And these are the true foundations of our future. We need to build a new better world, an ecohumanist world, an alternative world to this world.

[@yaneperon6296]

The bypass of human trust requirement as enabled by blockchain and other digital systems are only for financial transactions. It doesn't say anything for instance about the genuine value of the product you are buying or the service you are ordering.

[@aldeadao4287]

We are building ALDEA in Latin America based on these principles. Thank you!

[@saitamad.anarchist9527]

I wish to contribute

[@krx71]

I am deeply touched about the goals - I have learned something very important today -Thank you !

[@nat6106]

I hold reservations about the timeline presented, but I like the intent and the concepts make sense at a very high level.

[@manfredKarrer]

Amazing presentation! Great to see people in the crypto currency space who have deep visions beyond quick monetization schemes! Decentralization is key for our future.

[@mrchriscny]

I agree with Roy Smith , once people see the potential of ethereum it will change the world.

[@RamonThomas]

Didn't they say the same about Bitcoin?

[@rayandersen2738]

Cardano is the way

[@McMarvin42]

I've always been skeptical on Ethereum. Still am today despite the price around $700 per ETH. I have hope in EOS. It's taking on the same idea with a slightly different approach. And scaling looks to already be solved.

[@bitfinger]

oh you actually meant to say EOS

[@stefanodelpiero83]

after one year of your post i do strongly agree with it ;-)

[@GaryLachance123]

The Future Will Not Be Centralized!

[@jeehooahn9114]

Gary Lachance people don't like their fat cash cows being taken away from them... especially people with armies, nukes, virtual monopoly over school systems that can propagandize a nation's worth of kids that the system is the only good and possible system, while simultaneously keeping most away from alternative viewpoints and possibilities.

[@atomeqhotrends]

That's the point of decentralized communication.

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

Once physcial cash is gone, central banks will take full control of all money and control it at will - including the ability to turn off your access to it in an instant for any reason. Blockchain will become the ultimate centralization tool since only central bankers will be allowed to control it. If you think 'they' are going to allow a system in which they don't have full control, you are sadly mistaken. People will merely be numbered assets on the blockchain, each with a unique token. If you don't comply with their wishes fully, your token will simply be turned off, and you will be excluded from the system. Enjoy your slavery.

[@saffa321]

The future is a state planned economy with an highly advanced democratic dispensation that accomodates all the workers of all races, sexes and genders. The future is strategic planning of the economy and common ownership of the means of production. The future is communism.

[@H3c171]

@@saffa321 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gabmendez64]

Great proposal for a Better Society 3.0.

[@RolandAshcroft]

I started thinking about decentralization an hour, ago . I thought about mostly decentralization of information, entertainment, energy (renewable energy!), finance and other services and production. Here I am just watched this interesting presentation. Not sure about the increased wealth creation, I would say it will and already causes a more balanced wealth distribution, as in a P2P network small entities get more and not only the giant corporations reap most of the rewards for their CEO's and shareholders. I just realized decentralization addresses so many issues of capitalism (greedy unethical corporations manipulating media and politics) and socialism/communism (suppressing human competition, a centralized power forcing "equal distribution" lead by political elites).

[@pierren___]

Up 😂 decentralisation would bring capitalist problems to a greater scale. Since everyone participates. Decentralised communism = poverty

[@IAmSonicAlchemist]

Thank you for this Vision of our Decentralized future where all share in peace, wealth, health, and prosperity. The New Earth is manifesting NOW

[@alexshow4750]

Very intelligent and well presented talk. Thank you very much Johann. 5*

[@LucVNO]

Best TED talk.

[@verarchy]

I have agreed with this statement since this video was published.

[@davidturay4160]

Thanks very for your professional presentation you've increased my knowledge horizon

[@michellemoments20]

I appreciated this talk. I don't know if I think this is necessarily achievable or more of an ideal scenario. Still loved the thought process

[@lildaddy9319]

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[@UnframeofMind]

The biggest thing we can do as individuals is to begin the mindset shift away from "how can I get the government to solve my problems" to "how can I (or we) solve the problems ourselves?"

[@marcomarinelli9722]

Feel like I'm a decade late but still glad to have seen this. Goosebumps.

[@Jassergh]

This is 2024 and this is very important

[@ocruadlaoic]

I enjoyed this presentation. The only criticism or question I have is when he appeared to diminish the importance of private property and substitute it with competition as the driving force in capitalism. I think one without the other is dead. If you don't have private property , you don't have competition and vice versa. I'm surprised TED let an An-Cap speak but he didn't exactly give the NAP a ringing endorsement either. He steered clear of that. The problem with avoiding the subject is that is without the NAP there will always be another emergency as a pretext that allows for the centralized model.

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Competition is not the driving force of capitalism. As the moral philosopher Adam Smith made clear, competition is the limiting force of capitalism. It is the thing that keeps capitalists from taking over the world. -dlj.

[@losttale1]

Nice word salad. Competition is the driving force of capitalism. It's what re-organizes production and distribution in increasingly efficient ways.

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Arising-Tale I don't think so. People reorganize the ways they make things. The act of reorganizing is what reorganizes. If two people are trying to reorganize something, we may call that competition. "Competition" is a word you and some other people apply to the number of people doing the reorganizing. It is not a force. It is a word you applied because there are more than one people doing the reorganizing. You're the one with the word salad, seems to me. Since you're a specialist in it, could you do some explaining, please? Is a "driving force" different from a force? Or is it just a decoration, meaning something like "good force" or "force that anonymous Arising-Tale likes"? Do you agree with me (and Adam Smith) that the development of your increasingly efficient ways has the effect of keeping any one capitalist from taking over everything? And do you agree with us that if it ever didn't, that would be the end of capitalism? -dlj.

[@kommi7658]

David Lloyd-Jones I know this thread is a year old, but can we agree that it is both the limiting and driving force of capitalism?

[@nauxsi]

In the digital age local knowledge is value.

[@tuktuk6919]

[@vladanlausevic1733]

Magnificent and encouraging speech. Lot of that he spoke about is already happening

[@danielbeca4435]

Exactly, it has come to the point where the world is at a turning point. The megalodon capitalist are clinging to a dying centralized system. The pandemic is their last hope to try and control everyone before they can not longer control everything. This is beautiful and I will spend the rest of my life helping the system improve.

[@richheroes9123]

This video is about voluntaryism. If you are not a fan of voluntaryism yet, you will be.

[@MrKadidle51]

I can't wait. I have a feeling it's gonna be a bumpy ride along the way though.

[@soulkeaper7]

To AnCapistan we will go

[@Anthus.]

My take from this talk is that we need to rid ourselves of all centralized power as they are the problem .

[@lildaddy9319]

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[@pacotaco1246]

There's an exploration of this in The Conquest of Bread

[@pierren___]

No. Centralised power brings equality and organisation, while decentralisation causes inegality ans differences.

[@jrabelo_]

It's really hard for me to live in a world where very few people can understand the importance of those 4 things

[@nziamlegend]

Grear presentation, I'm currently deep-diving into decentralised energy. Big industry hijacked our "free-market" model. But smart hybrid systems, ie solar/battery & grid power could be the smart disruptor. Anyway, great initiative coming into its own.

[@joefunk76]

This was an unusually insightful and educational talk. Not another one of those ‘me too’ ‘don’t you realize how great blockchain/bitcoin is’ talks.

[@binhdong9195]

Thank you very much for your professional presentation, you have told me many things.

[@williampardoe2091]

"These are the pillars to a decentralised society; and there is a logical order to them: First, we communicate what we want to do, then we agree the terms of our cooperation, then we produce the goods we've agreed, and finally we trade the goods and services that we've produced. Together, these technologies form what I call the Technology of Trust. They will enable ordinary people to communicate, to come to legal agreements, to build products and services and to trade without interference from 3rd parties." 🙌🙌🙌 Cardano is the blockchain that's achieving this vision if you want to look further.

[@williampardoe2091]

"So what does the world of the future look like? Imagine a Masai warrior on the plains of Africa who has no access to the banks, financial services and the whole infrasture that we take for granted in the developed world. He is cut off fron the global economy. He has no bank account, no lawyer, no financial services; this severely limits his ability to generate wealth. But, he has a mobile phone. And soon, using that mobile phone he can start with a business idea and within minutes he can incorporate a legal entity, and he connect to a global transaction platform that allows him to safetly and securely do business with anyone in the world, including people he's never met, people he cannot trust, and the integrity of the transactions are guaranteed by the technology. This dramatically improves his ability to generate wealth. Billions of people are going to be raised out of poverty, dramatically improving their standard of living"

[@nziamlegend]

@@williampardoe2091 yep absolutely. Most people are seduced into exchanging their personal freedoms for "security", basically too lazy to think for themselves and wanting easy and convenient above everything. Meanwhile the "Masai guys" are cashing in big time.

[@strategy_gal]

This is such an incredible video. Thank you!

[@ShayIsReal]

I enjoyed the breakdown of concepts of a decentralised.

[@marcelosilva-vn6zf]

Does anybody else finds it funny that he knows so much about how social organization and economy used to be in the "millions of years" of human history BEFORE the recording of human history?

[@rseyedoc]

Decentralized contracting is ethereum - the biggest of all the changes to come.

[@andratoma9834]

And yet, the Massai warrior is HAPPIER than most of us in the West…

[@TortugaLanguageProductions]

amazing TED TALK...great detail...thanks for the post.!

[@stabhappy1995]

With great power comes great abuse. Powerful statement.

[@pierren___]

With great power comes great advancement. With few power comes great crimes.

[@jacksonknox5029]

I knew this was going to be EPIC!!!🔥🔥🔥

[@iristang9168]

The Government and the banks work together to control the labour's wealth, this is a really good idea to protect the residents from being confiscated of their wealth. Hoping the blockchain plan itself really works well, not suddenly block or transaction datum get lost or any IT issue occurs when there is no electricity to charge phones. P.s. Really a good and understandable talk!

[@wikpar]

2024 Here... we need Decentralized Law and Finance

[@zugzwang8261]

We are getting their BOIS!!!

[@aparharsh6267]

Amazing... I have listened to a great thing after a very long time

[@fartfountain]

It definitely will take some time. People will have to learn on their own, do their own research, etc, and there will be a lot of failures. I do think overall though winners will come through the cracks and their success will thus in turn lead to more people around them learning and having their own successes in the global economy. It will not happen overnight though.

[@davinderarora3938]

Core Values Can BE . Please adapt if you all agree to usefulness of these. 1. One should always be ready to accept truth and to renounce untruth. 2. All acts should be performed after deliberating what is right and wrong. 3. The prime objective of new Society is to do well to the world, that is, to promote physical, spiritual and social good of everyone. 4. Our/Every one conduct towards all should be guided by love, righteousness and justice. 5. We should dispel ignorance) and promote (knowledge). 6. No one should be content with promoting his/her good only; on the contrary, one should look for his/her good in promoting the good of all. 7. One should regard oneself under restriction to follow the rules of society calculated to promote the well-being of all, while in following the rules of individual welfare all should be free.

[@LoveNjustice]

Power to the people!

[@RealTalkCrypto]

wow this is what I've been saying we need, law by consensus by the people for the people!

[@yaneperon6296]

Well, he is speaking here about automatic consensus about a history of bits in a ledger.. Not quite deep democracy yet :)

[@syedjameelahmed66]

Amazing presentation! Thank you!

[@8Mev]

This guy is a prophet!

[@staninjapan07]

A very interesting talk, but I think the assertion that millions will be lifted out of poverty is a gross exaggeration. I cannot see how merely having access to a payment/money-receiving system, however good it may be in other regards, will give people what they need to start a business. I know it has to be a long, slow process, and that thinking about this in very immediate terms is not an appropriate or beneficial way to consider these ideas, but I cannot see it making that big a difference. I would be happy to have someone offer a simple explanation to me, though....

[@cucopper2668]

We have a system in place already, a Micro Loan. A small investment (loan) to purchase a means of some production via a sewing machine or perhaps seed for a garden.... can lift a person up enough to build a sustainable life. Crypto Blockchain offers a means of establishing a minimum amount of trust needed in all 4 pillars. Granted it may take some time yet, but look what we as a community could achieve. To be clear this is NOT aid but business on a small scale.

[@nauxsi]

It isn't about the payment system on it's own. It is about each person thinking about their value, securing that value, and being able to use it in creative ways to solve societal needs with hopes that they receive some reward for it. At the heart of it is privacy. Whether this has come too late and the corporations already have too much data is anyone's guess. You might not like to donate $2.... But you might 1 cent if you felt it was a good project. Or half of a cent, or a 1/4 of a cent. Something minuscule to you but to someone on a farm out there this means a tractor to speed up work on the fields and get product to the market.

[@scruffyrex4797]

It is a permeation of credit. It is almost impossible to have a basic understanding of economics and not come to this conclusion.

[@davidp242]

It is so much more than just a payment system. With applications like Ethereum, it is possible to build entire businesses with little more than a product, passion, and a smart phone. The crypto ecosystem will pave the way for people who have never seen real opportunity in their life a chance to truly make something of themselves. Once these deprived countries begin adopt this technology, it will explode, because unlike 1st world countries, third world countries WANT to work to make money, and once they see the way, it will absolutely explode.

[@mullinsmcd]

I think it's good to also listen to Charles Hoskinsons tedtalk as well. Many don't have the ability to accumulate wealth and history which are the first 2 steps to starting a business. No one is arguing that this is a quick process, but without these fundamentals the process cannot even begin

[@SonyJimable]

Noble words...but all those ideals flew out the window once Johann Gevers got his hands on the money.

[@mikele-gd5fy]

Thank's for this important information ❤

[@davinderarora3938]

Great, You are doing service to God. God will enable success path for noble intentions

[@sagarjethi]

who are watching in 2020???

[@joepaquet4332]

Exactly my question, I suspect that communication control will be the new banking....I wonder if this talk could be updated?

[@lildaddy9319]

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[@nancymadore4292]

Phenomenal!

[@triciawhitman4890]

You are so ahead of your time!!

[@MasterKaro168]

Very good present, decntralized is the dream of human.

[@franklinfalco9069]

Decentralization requires gentle guidance from above.

[@viswavijeta5362]

Decentralized [ communication (space collapse), law-choice of law/adjucator/enforcer (hegemony collapse), production-material/energy (capitalism collapse), finance-fungibility/money/contract (exponential economy collapse) ].

[@pierren___]

So anarchy lmao. Back to the stone age.

[@triciawhitman4890]

You've forgotten the most critical pillar, decentralized protection i.e. the local militia

[@karl-heinzvonscharnhorst546]

But who says the Massai warrior thinks he is living in poverty. In his mind he might believe that he is living in the ultimate world available - at one with nature and not in need of a cell phone and technology!

[@mufasachainbreaker7757]

One of the reasons the centralized government doesn't like hemp is because is because it is so effective for homesteaders as "food, fuel, fiber, clothe, construction materials, and medicine" that it is an all in one decentralizer. If you let homesteaders grow hemp, they will be able to make shift hundreds of additional products without needing to be a part of the central system. That isn't to say they could make their iphones from hemp for instance, but it is to say that they would become substantially less dependent on average with that ability. They wouldn't need to buy food, fuel, or clothes... That is a pretty big deal on its own...

[@lildaddy9319]

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[@Hunter_Bauss]

brilliantly well versed

[@marlzdee]

This is a great start to where we need to go. However, the 'systems' are still controlled by a few..Aren't we just shifting power from Banks to Teleco companies etc? Can someone explain how this can be better delivered or protected?

[@gilbpaul]

Why not moving forward and design a Resource Based Economy? We don't need Scarcity Based economic systems anymore...

[@shake6321]

gilbpaul no one can define what a resource is. therefore it is very hard to create a resource based economy.

[@gilbpaul]

Nonsense. We're talking about natural resources which are used by humanity for direct consumption or manufacture.

[@shake6321]

so basically anything and everything? Was oil a resource 200 years ago? Was Iron a resource 3000 years ago? Resources are always changing. Technology determines if something is a resource or not. What happens when something that is not considered a resource today becomes a resource tomorrow? Are you just going to confiscate it from the owners? Luck and Technical advancements play a huge part in wealth disparity. 100 years ago you could have bought desert land in Arabia for a Penny. Today you cannot because they "struck" oil. This is something that people who favor the RBE simply do not understand. You either have to have a central authority own everything because everything can become a resource (after all everything is simply a form or energy) or you own nothing and let the private market work. What you CANNOT DO is confiscate land from people once it becomes valuable. So I will ask you again. What is a resource? Cheers

[@yaneperon6296]

@@shake6321 as you yourself seem to point to, a ressource is simply anything that through a process is transformed into a service.. plus some more or less ambarrassing extra outputs called waste. And indeed, they are relative to technology. We may not be able to control the direct consequence of an uneven distribution of ressources on the planet. But we can choose to invest into technologies that do not rely upon ressources owned by other states or private actors. And who knows: one day it may be that many of us will start to see the highest fulfillment one gets through sharing and collaboration rather than hoarding and competing. I m a dreamer, but i m not alone :)

[@shake6321]

Yan Eperon I am a dreamer aa well. but the “natural order” may make our dreams impossible. thus, i rather have freedom and inequality than tyranny and equality. we do not need that many more technological advancements to really raise the global standard of living.

[@triciawhitman4890]

5th pillar: decentralized protection is being worked on by the good people at defense distributed. Everyone needs a beofang radio and an AR. At that point we cannot be stopped

[@ayushnayak6138]

Decentralized government can actually be practical. However we truely don't live in decentralized government rn. It has some central nature. But we can ofc gradually get to it.

[@collabofficial513]

If you’ve ever been an entrepreneur someone needs to be the boss. Not everyone can drive the bus. It’s a uptown type idea. It doesn’t work. Decentralized society will result in lazy non productive people straight up. There will be no pressure to drive people to greatness. Just freedom and no ambition.

[@larsemilhermansson370]

I have seen this long ago but back then I didn't know much about anarcho capitalism.

[@coolbeans6148]

Exactly what i was looking for

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

Pillar one - complete control and slavery via embedded IoT computers. That includes people who will merely be another "asset" in smart contracts.

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj0]

This dude was spot on

[@stabhappy1995]

This aged like a fine wine.

[@user-lz2mt5nc9e]

Great presentation for what EOS will provide!

[@miraj8942]

SIck gameplay.U so pro bro , good work my man

[@charlheynike9619]

This seems like one of those things that sounds very nice in theory, but will probably have the opposite effect in reality. Lets hook everyone into the same online financial and legal system... Sounds more like globalism to me!

[@yaneperon6296]

it doesn't need to be the same for all. Interoperability may allow for both globalism and arbitrary levels of differentiation at any scale.

[@Jonny_Noname]

its recentralization. so long as the value system is universal, one lifestyle. Obey your service providers and you can participate. wealth generation and excess is still the goal

[@chrisvanvoorhees8008]

Maybe I’m not understanding it correctly, but how is the decentralized legal system described in this video advantageous? If everyone has the choice of their own laws to abide to and can even write their own laws, isn’t that just anarchy? How does such a system prevent people from doing anything that they want at the expense of others?

[@pacotaco1246]

Anarchy is good. No rulers means your aren't ruled by others. Anti-hierarchy is Anarchy

[@pierren___]

Its naturalism. He thinks humans like that are an anomaly. Obviously every experience of anarchism collapses due to real human nature.

[@m3ether210]

Great stuff 🙂🙂🙂

[@davinderarora3938]

Center of such new society should be based on some strong Moral principals . Please check if below Moral Principal can be useful to apply in core/soul of this transition for Good of Society 1. One should always be ready to accept truth and to renounce untruth. 2. All acts should be performed after deliberating what is right and wrong. 3. The prime objective of new Society is to do well to the world, that is, to promote physical, spiritual and social good of everyone. 4. Our/Every one conduct towards all should be guided by love, righteousness and justice. 5. We should dispel ignorance) and promote (knowledge). 6. No one should be content with promoting his/her good only; on the contrary, one should look for his/her good in promoting the good of all. 7. One should regard oneself under restriction to follow the rules of society calculated to promote the well-being of all, while in following the rules of individual welfare all should be free.

[@Soh965]

I don't know if he is snob or not but gave us a good point- technology frees us.

[@skzap2639]

+Markus Oh How can you think technology frees us ? Humans were born without technology, and free. Technology is just a tool. Either we use it to slave ourselves, or to remain free.

[@HisDivineShadow]

+skzap Free us from this planet. Free us from this solar system. Free us from this Galaxy. Free us from biologically imposed limitation.

[@MrCounsel]

Are centralized systems, by the mere fact that they are centralized, undesirable? Conversely, are decentralized systems necessarily desirable? Centralization has efficiencies and allows for quick, unified reaction. Would the benefits of decentralized systems outweigh such benefits?

[@shalyfemusic]

Thats the problem with centralization. It makes quick quick solutions but every one and every place has different effect to it and needs its own specific need. If your country bans farming hoes because they are too sharp, the rich farmer in the city may celebrate since he does not even need it, the poor farmer in the country however will be devasted as he need that tool to provide for himself and his family.

[@MrCounsel]

@@shalyfemusic We may then theorize that desirability of centralization may have a corelation with how common the issue to be solved is within the affected population. The less generalized the issue, the less decentralization there should be. Question of tuning the thing.

[@shalyfemusic]

@@MrCounselMmh good point

[@MrAnnunaki1]

Very good points

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[@chandrabhushan3494]

Excellent

[@parisleger7714]

Totally!!

[@pbrower2a1]

The problem is -- what Billy Graham and John Gotti would choose would be very different. I would not want to be in a criminal's paradise any more than I would want to live under despotism.

[@dreamshooter90]

+pbrower2a1 Just empower yourself. Everybody must.

[@yaneperon6296]

I have the same concern. Decentralized anti-censorship crypto-digital systems seem to be the perfect tools for mafias and terrorists, not only for decent caring citizens I am afraid..

[@MrPisster]

How can I get involved in this??

[@abstractapproach634]

MrPisster eat your vegetables

[@psokheh477]

Not in uni yet i suppose ?

[@mr.mcgill2651]

This is our future. 2020

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[@FelixKoschar]

the big hope for sure is in the new technology, but the questions of how exactly to regulate the monopoly of force remain unanswered to me... decentralisation may be able to do it somehow i have to think about it...

[@BenjaminKBroderick]

In a decentralized society, there would be no government, because that is centralization. Therefore it would be anarchy, having no rulers. People would be accountable to not aggress against others, but aside from that, not really any laws would exist. With that, there wouldn't be this one big power having all the weapons. All military weapons would be universally for sale. Every person could own tanks and whatever else. A decentralized society would not be territory that another nation would want to invade, in other words.

[@jonkelly2003]

Benjamin K Broderick Everything you've said sounds right Broderick, but no laws?

[@BenjaminKBroderick]

It's a little tricky because the way we use the word "law" now entails that all within a certain jurisdiction would be required to abide by the bounds of certain laws. That's why my claim to no laws was ambiguous. Sure there would be rules of individual homes and establishments, and there would be a standard upheld universally throughout society of non-violence and non-aggression, but those would be implicit, as opposed to being written by one official authority and enforced by the same. The non-aggression standard would perhaps be what you might call common-law, or a societal norm and expectation, but not the type of law we are typically used to at this time, written by those who make laws, and imposed universally to all within a geographical region. Decentralized law would be a better term, as it could not remain a decentralized society and still be under centralized law. The universal necessity of non-aggression is natural and innate in all humans for survival and development, and since all humans typically wish to remain in control of their lives, remain free from suffering, and so on, there is reasonable assurance that humans will continue to insist upon the absence of aggression inasmuch as we employ reason and rationality over the medieval, dark-age pitfalls of blind belief and obedience that we see in the unthinking, non-questioning statist and religious masses around the world. The standard of non-aggression would surely be the closest and only thing we could compare to laws as we have them now, for no other expectation can be rightfully imposed onto others, and if it is to be a decentralized society, no centralized opinion of what precisely is classified as aggression could be made. This upholding of the non-aggression standard would be an organically flowing process of the collective human conscience, not a regime imposed by a set of law-makers. Third-party arbitrators would be making decentralized decisions, not by precedent or law books, but by their own methods of expertly assessing the disputes and assigning them with solutions. Perhaps we might say that laws would be written on a case by case basis, applicable for only an individual, and with an expiration date, much like a prescription from a doctor. Furthermore, the offender would be voluntarily agreeing to the decision of those third-party resolving teams, or what we now call courts. The plaintiff and defendant may both agree to sign contract that gives the authority to a firm to assign law over their lives by way of a coin toss. They may instead choose an expert firm that assigns law based on their thorough and complex opinions and because of their reputation for fair judgement. They may choose a firm that legitimately rehabilitates criminality, and assigns law to individuals in need of this rehabilitation from violence, theft, and so forth. Either way, non-aggression would be the standard, and those violating that standard may be imprisoned till they seek to resolve the conflict and be assigned laws on the matter.

[@KevZen2000]

Felix Koschar The technological age will enable a decentralized society to work, and the ability to keep law and order. This is what real anarchy is, although decentralization does not carry the shock value, which is why you should use the word to spread this ideology, because most are biased against anarchy, because of the misinformation of it by those who favor centralization or Governments as most call it. I use it all the time to move people towards anarchy, and it works very well, although most do not know it is anarchy.

[@yaneperon6296]

@@BenjaminKBroderick I don't see what would prevent a group within a decentralized society to collaborate to invade the ressources of another part of it, then share among them the latter - or betray the others and fight for it at last.

[@dave1829]

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[@Skoda130]

But how do you ensure equality throughout all judicial systems? It's what precedes democracy.

[@countsolomon]

You put the blindfold back on lady justice and leave it there.

[@Skoda130]

@@countsolomon but lady justice isn't the same everywhere, when the judicial system is decentralized. Communities could decide to make special laws for minorities and such.

[@staytrue9209]

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[@heathergrahame9647]

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[@andreas.heimli]

Are there differences or similarities between this, and what Free Private Cities do?

[@moonman239]

There has to be some sort of centralization, even in a decentralized society. As an example, suppose that you are walking in the park one day, when you come across a human body with the blade of a knife in its chest. What happened? Well, you don't know. You are probably not trained in evidence gathering, so you can't conclude the murderer's identity with any degree of certainty. And you can't just accuse someone without evidence. So how do you make sure the murderer is identified? You'd have to contact someone who's trained to gather evidence. OK, so the investigator claims to have found the murderer. Now who's qualified to argue that this person is a murderer? Who's going to listen to that person's side of the story, and the alleged murderer's side of the story, and from that evidence decide whether the alleged murderer is truly guilty and, if so, how to punish the murderer?

[@emplore]

"For millions of years humans lived together in small decentralized network communities." Humans have existed for about 300,000 years. A false opening statement makes the whole speed void tbh.

[@williamolenchenko5772]

The speaker states that Bitcoin is a decentralized currency which cannot be censored or controlled by any government. However, can't governments pass laws which hinder its use?