The Fourth Turning: Why American 'Crisis' May Last Until 2030

[@Jc-do4fy]

Time traveler from 2020 here. The sht is hitting the fan.

[@Reathety]

Time traveler from 2021. They tore down the fan.

[@joshrivers5191]

@Loredan Time traveler from 2070. AI was a bad idea. State enforced homosexuality is a thing. Israel? Blown off the map. Sucks I know. And what do we do with old people? WE KILL 'EM!!!!

[@alechappy2070]

@@joshrivers5191 Soylent Green is protein

[@PANDA-vm3tt]

Fascinating times ahead he said, new turning he said, it'll be fun he said.

[@heyitsdylan3012]

@@joshrivers5191 time traveler here as well, I can confirm this. BUCKLE UP!

[@rdobery]

Plant a garden. Turn off the television. Be charitable when possible and ruthless when not.

[@nicktrice4921]

Words of wisdom.

[@chadsteele1]

Words of wisdom.

[@Gerkinstock]

The 2020s is going to be a ruthless shitshow of a decade.

[@josephmclennan1229]

Buy guns and ammo. A cold Grand Solar Minimum cycle will change everything .Look it up.

[@richardjenkins8366]

@@Gerkinstock Yep

[@noidreculse8906]

I think the 2020’s are going to be hell for people who are content. I am 70 years old and glad I am near the end of my own cycle. Hold on to your seat, everything is about to change

[@map3384]

My dad said the same thing before he died six years ago. If he was alive he’d say he was right and I’d agreed with him.

[@andrewsmith1735]

The great drone wars haven't happened yet. Just wait for the 30's.

[@TheRedConstituents.]

Love your children, make peace with the Lord and repent for your coming sins.... BUT PREPARE FOR ANGUISH.

[@noidreculse8906]

@@TheRedConstituents. I have nothing to repent for, but thanks

[@unclebadger597]

@@TheRedConstituents. hush now child

[@bcbp14]

2021 checking in. Shit is INTENSIFYING.

[@stone6125]

2nd coming is in 2031. Book of enoch says 7000yr plan for humanity. 1 day is as 1000yrs to God, so 7000yrs = 7 days (i.e. 1wk). Crucifixion was 4000yrs (4 days) from Adam and Eve's eviction from Eden. 2031 would be 6000yrs (day 6) and the beginning of day 7 (millennial kingdom). ✊ Also, Acts 2:17 says "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people..." The "last days" of a 7 day week would be day 5, 6, and 7. Since day 7 is the millennial kingdom, the 2nd coming must be on day 6 (6000th yr). Just because we can't know the day or hour doesn't mean we can't know the month and year (Rev 9:15) Also interesting: 2+0+3+1= 6 And 2031 correlates with the year 6000 on hebrew calendar. 🤔 Lastly: 1 Corinthians 15:22 = universal reconciliation for all, not just Christians. Lake of fire and brimstone in greek literally refers to "crucible" used to refine gold. "Tormented forever and ever" is a mistranslation. A forgiving God doesn't torture someone who's wronged Him for eternity. All of humanity will live again. That's why it's good news!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap2riKlqr7Jqn6M

[@voltaire5427]

Timcast?

[@stone6125]

@@voltaire5427yup that's where I heard of this book

[@alexcottam4070]

@@stone6125 wonder if the second coming will use tic toc

[@berntoast3186]

Where are the heroes!?!?

[@vindex7309]

Time traveller from 2023 here… idk what’s going on anymore. Apes are trading stocks, computers have their own currency, house prices are ridiculous, wages and salaries are a joke… we’re currently living out the rentpocolypse. Back to you time traveller from 2025!

[@OscarSchneegans]

Just wait, 2024 gets even wilder.

[@dennisyurconis742]

Hard times create strong men. Strong create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. There is your four turnings in a nutshell

[@robscribs7243]

I dont think of Baby Boomers as weak. You refer to them as weak...Neil refers to them as narcissistic

[@georgiefong2250]

@@robscribs7243 Me neither, I am a Boomer, and I strong, smart, but have done many stupid things. the narcissistic he referring to must be Trump.

[@georgiefong2250]

You are correct!!!

[@wollfaden1979]

@@georgiefong2250 The Boomers are the strong ones that created good times. The Millenials are the weak ones, because they never experienced any real crisis.

[@vk6832]

@@wollfaden1979 Yeah no it doesn't go by generations. Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z are weak men. But you are absolutely delusional if you think the Boomer generation are 'strong men'. At the same age their parents were storming the beaches of Normandy their generation was sitting around smoking pot and playing on bongo drums.

[@RealTalkkWithEli]

Watching this in June 2020. This seems very accurate at most points

[@Eric-ef5qm]

My only criticism is that the turning is happening 2020 not 2008. 2008 was more of a mini-crisis.

[@Eric-ef5qm]

Actually, thinking about it more we might just be in the eye of the storm of the fourth turning.

[@RealTalkkWithEli]

@@Eric-ef5qm you may be right

[@bettycooper369]

I think the KZbin algorithm is performing better than ABC and google want it to be

[@RealTalkkWithEli]

@@bettycooper369 right!

[@cedricbethea358]

This video is beginning to make a lot more sense as of March 30, 2020. Lockdowns, pandemics, etc. Neil nailed it.

[@gumgummagoo2050]

Did you know that in their first book, Generations, published in 1991, they predicted a "Crisis of 2020"? I shit you not.

[@cedricbethea358]

@@gumgummagoo2050 no I didn't know that. I'll look that up. A famous lady named Silvia Brown predicted a pandemic in 2020 as well. She said it would come and go fast.

[@paulbrower4265]

@@cedricbethea358 -- people will find ways, many of them entrepreneurial innovation, to allow people to do what they used to do and love doing -- sort of.

[@cedricbethea358]

@@paulbrower4265 I agree you're right my friend, humanity will always find a way to survive anything.

[@HUeducator2011]

@@cedricbethea358 2 years later lol😭

[@klinchrx]

Now in 2020 with the COVID-19 Pandemic, all of this man is explaining in this video makes a lot of sense now. It's shocking.

[@randomgrinn]

Yeah shocking how it's 2021 and his disaster predicted 4 years ago still isn't happening...

[@klinchrx]

@@randomgrinn what do you mean? There are a lot of countries that are struggling to handle the pandemic and there's still an economic disaster around the globe

[@james_tiberius_kirk73]

@@randomgrinn WW2 lasted 5 years (Crisis) so you're point is irrelevant. There's no timeline given for how long a Crisis lasts.

[@JohnSmith-ir1fo]

@@randomgrinn the blind can't see it beforehand, they need to feel it when it's already hitting them directly and personally

[@TheMattj88]

Because it was pre-planned. But I have the benefit of commenting from Dec 2021.

[@AsAngelsFall221]

As someone in 2021 now, this is downright scary. But here's hoping that in the next 10 years, we can all look back with a sigh of relief that the worst is behind us, and we can all flourish together on a new leaf.

[@andrewsmith1735]

All turning cycles are marked by a great realization of your personal vulnerability. Usually a bloody war. The great drone wars are coming.

[@genxknowsthetruth2883]

When white supremacy is being marketed as our greatest threat there’s no flourishing together #ThesePeopleAreSick

[@moonpi4604]

The flourishing will depend on whether on not you took the poisonous jab.

[@karmasutra4774]

@@BlueBomber47 In time for the Singularity

[@TheRealerArbor]

Oof

[@mkmason2002]

"From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage."

[@ridethecurve55]

From Intelligence to Stupidity is what I'm guessing you're trying to say. Go find a good psych. You need one, Bigly.

[@ToothTwister77]

​@@ridethecurve55 Um, no. That is a well known (except unto you) quote usually attributed to Alexander Titler. It describes the stages a democracy goes through from its' birth to its' death. The average age of a Democracy is 200-250 years. The US is what, 243 years old? Good times.

[@shadowling77777]

ApplesOfTheHesperides Can you prove his sexual orientation tho?

[@Jerseyhighlander]

@@ToothTwister77 Well then maybe it's fortunate America was founded as a Republic, not a democracy. You should probably look into the difference. Democracy is the scam the politicians are trying to pull on us. Democracy is what gives 51% of the people the absurd notion that they can strip the inherent rights from the other 49%.

[@davidgibson5707]

Jerseyhighlander Absolutely correct!

[@vaporwavevocap]

Watching the Crisis going on today, watching the establishment response, the idea that anyone would ever trust any institution again would be a black pill.

[@ponttepontte4032]

It so funny listening to this knowing what happened 4 years later

[@wiseandfunfox]

the comments are gold, you can really see how people predicted the future on this video

[@JeffCaplan313]

Yup.

[@BobIawblaugh]

Hey from 2024👋🏻

[@henryate5028]

Anyone here after the spirited man's video?

[@stonecutter74]

Nomad here to fix here to disrupt here to clean here to help no matter the cost .

[@k_slater]

Hero here. Ready to do what it takes.

[@horationorman5366]

Me too bruv

[@Linguiste258]

Me three 🎉😂

[@friendo787]

Watched the spirited man’s video about 6 months ago

[@TLE1977A]

The pattern is not natural, the pattern is engineered.

[@MS-wy4sb]

Bullshit. Study history. These are established patterns of human societies. Certain things within the patterns may be engineered, but that's no different than climate change. It's already there, we're just exerting our own effects on climate.

[@chineseducksauce9085]

@@rothtrader2722 unfortunately many still do not know what you are talking about, and those are the one's that aren't gonna make it. This decade is going to be hell, at least you and me are aware of this.

[@orest227]

@@chineseducksauce9085 im not going to make it because i dont want to. fuck the future

[@janrendek]

Exactly!

[@Alex_Plante]

SInce 2007 we've been living through a stifled 4th turning, where every institution is using every last ounce of its power and influence to prevent the 4th turning from taking place. At some point things will snap.

[@pbrower2a1]

The Trump Presidency looks like the time in which things snap. Obama could keep a lid on it all because he is a nice guy who runs a tight ship; Trump is a leader who seems to thrive upon chaos beyond the taste that most Americans have.

[@chuckg-ross1378]

^^^^ I agree with the above. Trump's election seems to me to be the best example of this effort to stop the 4th turning. Sometime between now and 2020 I have a feeling sh*t's gonna hit the fan in a huge way that we haven't seen in our lifetimes.

[@bighands69]

You are all assume that your generation is like the 1930s when it fact it maybe more like the 1910s were there was recessions as well that led to the creation of the federal reserve which was formed in 1913 maybe we will get our federal reserve at some point.

[@therealthreadkilla]

@@chuckg-ross1378 , It's in the book. It seems weird that he predicted Hillary would win (I didn't know this) since he clearly says in the book that a "grey champion" would come along and and get elected, that's Trump. Don't confuse the verbiage used with a support or lack there of for Trump just spelling out what the book does. Trump was inevitable ....... the complete outsider..........hence the moniker from the book.

[@NashHinton]

The longer we wait, the more bloodshed, guillotines, and pikes.

[@magiciansway]

1930s the rise of fascists. 2020s the rise of fascist democrats.

[@richatlarge462]

They try every century.

[@paulpiazza3748]

Great job Mr. Howe. A fantastic example how the study of real history is essential to understanding our past and future.

[@michaelstead4062]

Except where it avoids uncomfortable bits of history and excludes them.

[@paulpiazza3748]

@@michaelstead4062 as in?

[@michaelstead4062]

@@paulpiazza3748 I can't really be bothered watching it again (sorry) - it's terrible. The issue is that sympathy for such fringe beliefs reveals or confirms harmful amateurism. The sort of individual who isn't impelled to take apart The Fourth Turning's facile generalizations is not someone whose intellectual instincts promote confidence. The desire to fit everything into an all-encompassing system sometimes indicates inflexibility of thinking, resistance to conflicting facts, and a desire to fit everything into an all-encompassing system. Let's just say the myriad diasporas that occurred throughout our existence reduce the “saecula” to apophenia hopscotching through history. Despite the fact that the late 1990s were a period of broad-based prosperity, budget surpluses, and diminishing welfare reliance, the authors point to rising public indebtedness and expanding welfare dependency as signals of impending disaster. At the same time, they deny a decline in crime during the period. Just wrong. According to the authors' blind determinism, it is irrelevant whether or not Trump or Biden won the last election because of an ahistorical notion in the blind search for coherence with or without facts. Successful policymaking, necessitates intellectual agility and pragmatism, the ability to update your beliefs in light of new events and evidence, and an awareness of history as a series of contingent choices.

[@portlandsamber]

I feel like this is the puzzle piece I've been searching for. It all makes sense finally.

[@kortyEdna825]

More and more people might face a tough time in retirement. Low-paying jobs, inflation, and high rents make it hard to save. Now, middle-class Americans find it tough to own a home too, leaving them without a place to retire.

[@KaurKhangura]

The increasing prices have impacted my plan to retire at 62, work part-time, and save for the future. I'm concerned about whether those who navigated the 2008 financial crisis had an easier time than I am currently experiencing. The combination of stock market volatility and a decrease in income is causing anxiety about whether I'll have sufficient funds for retirement.

[@brucemichelle5689.]

This is precisely why I like having a portfolio coach guide my day-to-day market decisions: with their extensive knowledge of going long and short at the same time, using risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying it off as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, their skillset makes it nearly impossible for them to underperform. I've been utilizing a portfolio coach for more than two years, and I've made over $800,000.

[@Justinmeyer1000]

How can I reach this person?

[@brucemichelle5689.]

‘’Aileen Gertrude Tippy’’ is her name. She is regarded as a genius in her area and works for Empower Financial Services. She’s quite known in her field, look-her up.

[@Justinmeyer1000]

I checked Aileen up out of curiosity and i must say i am impressed by her Credentials. i emailed her already, waiting on her response.

[@elsajohnson6663]

Holy sh,#$ i thought this was just taped, its August 22nd 2020, 3 yrs later, very prophetic. 😲😥

[@pennedarts]

The book was out middle 90s..

[@drex23100]

Most of the points he made were from the book Generations which was published in 1992.

[@jtbmetaldesigns]

August 22 is my birthday. August 22,2022 is my 50th assuming I make it

[@MaryOKC]

@@jtbmetaldesigns what if you were turning 22 on 08.22.2022? 😂

[@jtbmetaldesigns]

@@MaryOKC Mary, you just gave me the thumbs up to hit the reset button! I’d repeat most of what I did the last 28 years but I’d do it way better! I’d start by just crowning my wife queen when I brought her into my home. That’s a little hint to young guys....trust me

[@rubster1975]

The one thing he got wrong here in my opion is that the "trend" is not so much the rise in nationalism. It's more the rise of extreme cultural relativism, identity politics and globalism, which causes a reactionary movement, including nationalism.

[@binaryvoid0101]

Nationalism is toxic when it involves racial exclusivity and, historically, it has always involved perpetuating ideas of racial and ethnic exclusivity.

[@paulbrower4265]

@Patrick McCallum Especially in the American Deep South. There the Democratic Party is the black people's party and the Republican Party is the white people's party, which insures big-city-style machine politics even in small towns. Machine politics fosters corruption and incompetence in public services because people can't imagine voting the differently. In a not-so-tribal setting, the solution for dealing with a corrupt or incompetent black pol is to vote in some white guy who promises reform... or vice-versa. Tribalism engenders bad politics and poor public services while giving economic edges to people who do not deserve those edges.

[@paulbrower4265]

@Kat Jasper Indeed, the French, Italian, and other resistance to the Nazis was nationalist in ethos. Where nationalism goes awry is when it becomes a pretext for aggression and oppression. Nationalism could be as benign as allowing an oppressed people (let us say the Poles and Czechs of the 19th century) develop their own national 'voice' -- and, yes, the world is richer for such people getting their voices.

[@melving5638]

@@paulbrower4265 Democratic party was the party of Slavery, Jim Crow, Segregation, but a Republican abolitionist ended slavery. Why do you think the Dems get the black vote??

[@nevilletaylor490]

www.bitchute.com/video/dbkitNkwvTLi/

[@dannyboy9848]

There is no comparison between the great depression and the great recession. In the crash people starved. In the recession...people ate out less.

[@jayyyzeee6409]

The great recession was just a rehearsal. Winter is coming.

[@NashHinton]

There will be another Great Depression because of asinine neoliberal politics and more QE to make up for the shortfall in demand created by the inequality caused by neoliberalism.

[@elathiaskade7311]

DANNY BOY Did women hate men because feminism had them brainwashed? Or was there still a wholesomeness, now lost?

[@slappy8941]

The patterns were the same.

[@KnaveChild]

They delayed the day of reckoning by printing helicopter loads of money and destabilized the entire financial system which is now oversaturated by debt. The next financial crisis will be a collapse of the keynesian monetary paradigm.

[@3drumming7]

2024 time traveler here. Update: it got worse.

[@jasonkasprowicz1610]

😂

[@Tsoiugidali]

I read The Fourth Turning when it first was published. Found it thought provoking then. Now, every time I re-read it - holy cow this is a bonafide prophecy! I, too, am in my 70's. I have watched all of these first three Turnings come and go. What is next? I do not know for sure but all of the previous Fourth Turnings have ended in a final, enormous war. I have seen war up close and personal in my lifetime. I remember those lessons well. Cannot do much about that now. Age and physical infirmity have sidelined me. I simply go back to the old Boy Scout motto. BE PREPARED! It is about all that is left. Like it or not the Fourth Turning is now. Open your eyes, close your eyes, run/hide none will make a difference in the large scale. Thanks for listening.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

If ww3 breaks out our civilization is done

[@seeingthrough5689]

pessimism

[@thanoscube8573]

I am still young and I want you to know I will take your word on it

[@randalltexasshop2236]

Its been controlled by rome.

[@bchristian85]

We're flirting with civil war in the US. We may get through this without bloodshed, but we might not. The core question underpinning all of this, that nobody wants to talk about because it's such a big elephant in the room, is the struggle between religious and secular governance.

[@JoeMacStevens]

Damn, so we have 9 more years of this craziness and a big war to look forward to.

[@JJ33438]

us sent ships and planes to south pacific which will piss off china. so here we go!

[@56585656587]

That's the light hearted scenario.

[@hydrolito]

This might be more like 1918 with Woodrow Wilson and influenza. Germany and Japan invade other countries in 1933 and after, Germany attacked Poland* in 1939 when they call it World War 2. Soviet Union invades Finland and Poland (also*)

[@alexjames1397]

@@hydrolito 1918 was a 3 T, not 4 T.

[@leeanderson2912]

Yep. Pop some popcorn.

[@beekind9832]

I would like to see a video of him addressing this subject now as of July 2020

[@Mendinostra]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqrYeYl5fa1kl5I

[@happyangie674]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqrYeYl5fa1kl5I This is where I first heard the term the 4rh turning. Long interview.

[@voltaire5427]

At this point, I'd like a weekly update.

[@richatlarge462]

I'm glad to see that Neil Howe is still doing his thang, though the books speak for themselves, and all we can do is watch events play out according to the turnings timeline.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Yes, Sheeple will always watch. That's the only thing they know how/what to do, while waiting for their next hand out.

[@zackc3368]

@@kirstinstrand6292 What the fuck are you on about?

[@beverlychaney18]

Wrong you can stop complying with this. If you don't you will become one of their slaves . UNIVERSAL BASE PAY $15.00 AN HOUR FOR DOCTORS AND LAWYERS AS WELL AS FOR DISH WASHERS. STOP LAYING AND TAKING WHAT HE JUST SAID AS FACT BECAUSE HE IS VERY WRONG!!!

[@Peace-ju9us]

the depression of 1930 lasted 25 years, and WW2 and the Korean War, if we get off by 2030 we did good, and were lucky

[@genxknowsthetruth2883]

The world economic forum has big plans

[@patrickdezenzio4988]

True, but by 1946 things were more joyful.

[@paulbrower4265]

Truth be told -- the "25-year depression" was only in stock-market valuations and in little investment in real estate. America grew its way out of the worst of the Great Depression mostly due to the formation of small businesses that in good times offer the least-attractive investment possible: any income is low-yield (for a small-business owner much of the reward is really for one's own toil), with prosperity available only in the long term, and that if something goes awry one can't sell it. By the late 1930's, economic conditions were clearly improving -- and in general better than in the late 1920's. People had more cars, refrigerators, and radios. People were more likely to have electric lighting and indoor plumbing. Real wages were much higher in part due to the minimum wage, in part due to the strengthening of unions, and in part because many marginal workers either retired (Social Security got elderly workers who were industrial accidents waiting to happen to retire) or to lengthen their formal education (high-school graduation became far more common). What did not improve much was housing. As for the stock market -- most people recognized that it was a capricious and unreliable investment. The few people still owning stocks cared more about dividend income than about valuation. It may have been better for them that valuations remained low. How well a Crisis goes depends upon how well the overall society meets it. The USA did far better than did Germany.

[@seekndestroy8970]

@@genxknowsthetruth2883 The New World Order, the Great Reset as they’ve been calling it recently, is upon us. This’ll be times for the history books. Maybe I should begin writing it all down.

[@the_expidition427]

@@seekndestroy8970 Start now. Afghanistans falling will be the start

[@GreenBoiler]

Fix the Money. Fix the World. History may not repeat, but it rhymes. This time there is an escape hatch. ₿e the change.

[@JL-ip3sf]

THIS.

[@ManInTheTimeMachine]

Bitcoin and Ethereum baby!

[@musicalfringe]

Back to a gold standard!

[@ironwilltattooclub6116]

Yessssss check out Magrit Kennedy’s work!

[@michaelembree1902]

BACK TO ...the gold standard.... yessir

[@lamarravery4094]

2008 and 2020 were definitely turning points where life changed due to crisis, financial or pandemic changing our beliefs and planning. Two life altering dates, 2001 too, where American life changed forever.

[@marynadononeill]

Yes You can see it looking back when it happened. It is strange with this one now how we can see it as it is happening. Are we waking up? Are we getting closer to something? I hope it is unity and love and not all the frightening things people are saying!

[@visualverbs]

Everything you mentioned is GOVERNMENT instigated. None of this happened in a vacuum, and YES, the government was in on 9/11.

[@psterud]

I'd also add 2016-present on that list. MAGA, which is still a nearly averted catastrophe, and might lead to civil war by the end of the decade. It's either that or some sort of war with Russia and/or China.

[@bchristian85]

2001 and 2008 were birthing pains. 2015 is when the Fourth Turning began and the climax began in 2020. It will last until the early 2030s.

[@vanguardas9927]

now almost 2020 and this video is starting to make more sense than just speculation

[@lhaviland8602]

In 2020. Hoooo diddy.

[@vanguardas9927]

@@lhaviland8602 I'm actually terrified than excited. Nobody wants to live in a crisis infested economy. I'm not American, but what happens to the world's largest economy causes a ripple-effect around the world.

[@lhaviland8602]

@@vanguardas9927 When did I say I was excited about it?

[@vanguardas9927]

@@lhaviland8602 I'm sorry, I must've misinterpreted your statement.

[@lhaviland8602]

@@falakoala4579 All the people who died in WW2 had a story too dumbass. It ended badly.

[@josephkalisek3458]

One day I visited Normandy beach on the 45th anniversary of D-Day, there, I met a man who came ashore that morning in 1944... among many wondrous things he told me that morning, he gave some unsolicited knowledge when he said; "You know the problem with America is simple," "in my time", he said; "There were more givers than takers, now.... there are more takers than givers." Remember Boomers, you helped raise Gen Xer's; they were mostly your younger siblings and cousins. You bred and raised the Millennials; they are your offspring. Your example was their guide...hard, strong or weak; they are your future. Hopefully they can unravel the spaghetti systems you left for them to master in your retirements.

[@Pukkademps]

This video being before 2020 got me shooked. I see things developing though. It’s really important to take care of ourselves mentally and emotionally to be able to handle the present and future of this world.

[@NIcolasbobbitt]

The thing that the world was unprepared for was social media. And the connection to people around the world at your fingertips.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

It made us more depressed and disconnected

[@BlackishBear]

June 2020 here hope he keeps being right. Millennials own almost none of the economy, we need a shake up of the system.

[@zackc3368]

Too right mate.

[@James-kd1kp]

The power structure will never allow that.

[@BlackishBear]

@@James-kd1kp well eventually they die so it's a matter of when not if

[@karnubawax]

@@BlackishBear They'll put their brain algorhythms into machines so they can still rule over us even when they're dead.

[@flashy5788]

The difference between prior turnings and this turning, we now have nuclear weapons...

[@bighands69]

You are overestimating the power nuclear weapons. And you are also over estimating how many the US and Russia actually has operational. There is no way that many of those Russian nuclear weapons systems survived. It is estimated that the US may only have about 40% of its systems up and running and that Russia may only have 10%.

[@tellthetruthna8523]

+bighands69 What a silly comment. The USA & Russia maintain approximately 1,800 of their nuclear weapons on high-alert status - ready to be launched within minutes of a warning. Most are many times more powerful than the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945. There is no question humanity has sufficient nuclear weapon capability to blow the world to smithereens many times over. Do some research on the number of times they were almost launched both intentionally and due to error.

[@nicolasallen8072]

Agreed. Neil Howe is an imbecile if he thinks that a world war is going to be healthy and lead to shiny new institutions being built on top of the ruins of smelly old nationalism. When he mentioned winter the first thing I thought of was nuclear winter.

[@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488]

@@justnotme3599 unleash the nihlists..

[@3506Dodge]

so what?

[@tigersamurai2275]

2030? well well, it fits perfectly with the agenda

[@Momof2825]

I find it totally suspicious that many goals/projects allude to the year 2030

[@preludepower420]

I’m from the future! It’s pretty funny that he believes that Trump is the crisis, he was probably our last chance to stave off the crisis.

[@katieserra6492]

😂😂😂

[@aprilturk1559]

my parents became nomads in the 30s and resorted to living off the grid.

[@smallstudiodesign]

I love this analysis and big picture overview of humanity’s historical cycles.

[@postmodgent1499]

I would have said 3rd turning ended in 2001. After that year things started to change to the way it is now.

[@paulbrower4265]

2001 is roughly when Enrob Corporation collapsed (OK, I made that Freudian slip once and found it impossible to give up. 2001 is roughly the beginning of the final phase of the last 3T in which economic and political leaders promote a speculative boom that devours wealth while creating the illusion of economic progress. To enhance the illusion of prosperity, the Movers and Shakers promote increasingly-shady practices that eventually implode -- but people see paper profits. Meanwhile, investment in plant and equipment, which in normal times creates material prosperity including solid wages for working people and underpins a sustainable economy, falters. As early as 2005 I could see the packaging of fecal loans with fraudulent ratings as compelling evidence that the supposed Good Times were approaching an ugly end. Such ends in a financial panic that begins very hard times for most people. In the end the speculative boom that requires ever-rising prices in objects of speculation ends when there are no more suckers to buy in. People want to cash out, but nobody is buying in -- and nobody will buy in until the object of speculation is available for fire-sale prices without the smell of smoke. The Double-Zero decade is in many ways parallel to the 1920's, which had a similar pattern of illusory progress in economics. Dubya was in many ways a good parallel in eight years to the twelve Harding-Coolidge-Hoover years. The last years of a 3T typically cause the Crisis and make it as severe as it is.

[@conorharrigan9311]

We aren't exhibiting a lot of the characteristics of a fourth turning right now. There is no social cohesion. Public institutions are deceptive and deserve no trust.

[@LeoGang89]

I hope our society develops REAL virtues, Not the fake ungenuine, virtue signaling woke shit we are seeing today.

[@bulletproofmofo]

Check out The Sovereign Individual. Gov't is losing it's grip in it's present form. Wokeness is nothing to worry about long term (although it's admittedly an issue atm), it's a cry of desperation from a group of people too afraid to accept reality. Arguing about what pronouns to use, while the world burns. The wokest among us will be the biggest seekers of liberty once they realize the utopia they were promised is nothing but a steaming pile of sh*t.

[@meventure2048]

Yep. Fast-forward to 2020...Read and re-read the book several times since 2017. Fascinating, educating. Actually, made be understand and feel better looking forward into tomorrow by preparing myself for the future.

[@denisemoreira9104]

I'm having a quite similar experience myself high now

[@TheK20sedan]

So what do we do?

[@Inertia888]

Neil Howe's work on "The Fourth Turning" is good and from what I have seen seems to be quite accurate. I just want to point out that he is not the first person to notice this pattern. In fact it was years before his book that I myself pointed this out. I thought iit was more like an every other generation pattern but after seeing his point of view I am convinced that it is four. It just takes a little more effort to see that much further back in time and to put the whole thing together. Thanks for the insight Mr. Howe.

[@UncleIroh347]

cool bro u totally got it first

[@noahhollingsworth3303]

Ride the Tiger - Julius Evola (Published 1961) takes a slightly different take on cyclical patterns amongst generations. Great read if you're into that sort of thing.

[@beverlychaney18]

Stop complying HE IS WRONG!!!

[@nicktrice4921]

Reminds me of that Jefferson quote concerning "the Tree of Liberty".

[@fillmorehillmore8239]

Reminds me of Taco night. High: Lets get tacos! Awakening: Yay tacos and they're really good and tasty. Unravelling: My tummy is grumbling. Crisis: ...........BAWOOSH!

[@leondonald]

America is currently plagued by the hydra-headed evil duo of inflation and recession. The worst part about this recession is that consumers are racking up credit card debt. In April alone, credit card debt went up 20% while rates have doubled in a year. Inflation is so high that consumers are literally taking debt for basic life necessities. Collapse has indeed begun..

[@Pamela.George]

Every day we have a new problem. It's the new normal. At first we thought it was a crisis, now we know it's a new normal and we have to adapt. this year will be a year of severe economic pain all over the nation.. what steps can we take to generate more income during quantitative adjustment?I can't afford my hard-earned 180k savings to turn to dust

[@DallisonScramosin]

This is precisely why I like having a portfolio coach guide my day-to-day market decisions: with their extensive knowledge of going long and short at the same time, using risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying it off as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, their skillset makes it nearly impossible for them to underperform. I've been utilizing a portfolio coach for more than two years, and I've made over $800,000.

[@DallisonScramosin]

Vivian Jean Wilhelm is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.

[@cynthiaharrington7809]

Plant Large gardens with Heirloom seeds and hat can replicate those seeds for a garden the next year too . Plant fruit and nut trees grape Vines berry Vines...grow food in containers even apartments...hanging plants...raise your own livestock when possible,chickens in your backyards, raise pigeons which taste like a cross of turkey and chicken. Called Squab

[@cramsa]

The author makes lots of cringe worthy assumptions... He said communities are getting “stronger” in this current time but ALL THE STATISTICS SHOW THE OPPOSITE.... suicide and deaths of despair are up 50% and loneliness has increased. Drug use has skyrocketed too. Just the other day a man was killed over a damn chicken sandwich at a fast food restaurant....What the hell is this author talking about?!

[@sarahh.9700]

I thought the same too however, this was posted a few years back so I'd be curious to hear what he has to say now.

[@kclaytor2]

The coming together happens later in the turning. We are at the tearing down the old institutions part now. We will come together by the end.

[@paulbrower4265]

Crime, alcoholism, and drug use are down from their peaks. Educational attainment is higher. Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans are increasingly joining the middle class, and the black bourgeoisie is getting larger. We accept same-sex marriage at a time in which we are cracking down on perverts who mess with children and we crack down on domestic violence. So what is going wrong? Economic inequality is becoming more severe as parts of America(the Rust Belt and Appalachia) are hemorrhaging jobs. It is telling that heroin use is way down in places like Detroit, where people in their sixties are warning kids to stay away from the poison -- while it explodes in use in once-thriving mining towns in West Virginia. We have Donald Trump as President, and we have a country in severe economic polarization.

[@drumbum9963]

Here in 2020 it feels like we've been going through this 4 stage cycle on a hyper-speed scale. Instead of years its just been months.

[@paulbrower4265]

@@jakobausterlitz8102 The 'end events' of a 4T happen fast. We may be closer to the end. Major wars may be impossible this time because of nuclear weapons that everyone fears and now COVID-19. As Gene Roddenberry or one of his scriptwriters put into the mouth of a Klingon in a dangerous encounter with Captain James T. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise (I know that Star Trek references may not be all that well liked) in which enmity between Klingons and the crew of the Enterprise, "Only fools fight in a burning building". That is about where we are, and everyone knows that. People who want victory want victory to have some reward -- and not a wrecked, depopulated world.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Yes, the crises are almost overwhelming - surely they are for many. However, the sheeple and the Orange supporters will be out of their minds. And with Trump light, we will again have a geezer following orders from the Establisment. None of this is good, which is why the 4th Turning is happening.

[@genxknowsthetruth2883]

@@kirstinstrand6292 I chuckle when lefties say Trump will listen to the establishment. It’s like you had zero idea as to what was happening, how/why he got picked and who fed you Russian collusion for 2 years (bet you ate it up).

[@thanoscube8573]

I imagine myself getting out of this crisis and that's what keeps me going

[@FranciscoGarcia-mo9me]

I view this close to the simulation theory. Life is like a experience and who ever is in charge of the simulation wants to make sure we all get the full experience of it all. And now hearing that this process Coincidently repeats about ever human life span of 80 years, makes me think I’m right. Things advance and change around us but the plot stays the same. We’re all living the same 80 years but can only leave for one round and then it’s game over. We completed the game/simulation.

[@georgelibertysr.5038]

.... same groups of people, same corporations, same organizations, same ideologies. You'd think we would have figured it out by now.

[@sullivanthemighty]

Greetings from the year 2021. Shit got real.

[@richatlarge462]

Too bad PBS or The History Channel never agreed to broadcast a "Generations" / "The Fourth Turning" series.

[@paulbrower4265]

The problems are (1) anyone can read into Howe/Strauss theory whatever one wants. I can imagine a KKK-fascist pig believing that this Crisis could result in the re-establishment of White Power as the cornerstone of American economic, political, and cultural life. A Commie could easily see this Crisis as the final struggle between plutocracy and Marxism-Leninism. (2) that the result of the Crisis is not clear until near the end. The American Civil War could have ended with Lincoln having to make compromises with the Confederacy to get a chance of winning the election (as in we will return to the Union, but you will return us 'our' slaves. The American Revolution could have ended as disastrously as did the revolution of Tupac Amaru II against Spanish rule in Peru. The alternative history novel The Man in the High Castle in which America is partitioned between the victorious gangsters ruling Germany and Japan has at least literary credibility. (3) about half the public would find the predicted consequences appalling (you mean, we don't get to abolish abortion and "gay marriage" and impose school prayer?"). Because there is now nearly a 50/50 chance of two very polar outcomes possible, any prediction of how this Crisis turns out has about a 50/50 chance of being wrong in general. (4) it might not be fun. The last Crisis Era had something happening that nobody could have foreseen in the 1920's: the Holocaust. Civilized people just didn't do such things any more because sophisticated people no longer saw religious identity as a cause of evil. Evil, whether the Nazis (or in a scenario possible in the 1920's, the KKK [which had many of the characteristics of fascism even before Mussolini coined the word fascismo] had about the same image of Jews that the Nazis had). Let's put it this way: there was nothing wrong with the Germans and Austrians in the 1930's and 1940's that Judaism would not have solved.

[@fmagalhaes1521]

PBS and the History Channel are part of the problem..They are not going to do one of these series on The Fourth Turning..

[@richatlarge462]

@@braticuss I wrote that because those two channels were once considering doing such a series - but never did.

[@richatlarge462]

@@fmagalhaes1521 Agreed, but back in the day they were considering it, and never did pull the trigger.

[@richatlarge462]

@@paulbrower4265 I have to disagree. Your points (2) and (3) and (4) do not go against anything about the model or what's in the books. The authors never said the result of a Fourth Turning is clear in advance (quite the opposite), that all the public would like it, or that it would be "fun". It could be disastrous, and in our present situation it could leave half the population feeling like subjects of an unwanted powerful ruling class. Now as for your point (1), no, one cannot read anything one wants into the central idea of young generations being shaped by the era in which they arrive, to later shape future eras in their prime years (and sometimes beyond). Nor can one read anything into the rhythm involving secular vs spiritual crises in society.

[@solomonlalani]

This sounds prophetic after in Apr 2020, after Covid19 crisis upon us :)

[@seanpeasley2184]

Sulaiman Lalani His first Book Generations predicted the secular crisis (described in the 4th turning) would start around 2020. Pretty darn accurate prediction is hindsight hahaha

[@frostyusername5011]

And now the Minnesota riots

[@frostyusername5011]

@@seanpeasley2184 i'm not laughing anymore :'(

[@theabominablesnowman1711]

Sweet summer child, wait til you see what June has in store

[@sword7872]

This is in the globalists plan for some time, together with the virus all part of the nwo. Read/listen to interviews of Kevin Barrett with meryl nass as well as other interviews regarding the virus. Also We now see a push for a reset coming from the world economic forum ie global elite.

[@unreal513]

The fourth turning undoubtedly began on 9/11/01 instead of 2008, which was an additional shock.

[@misfithomemaker3683]

Yes we are in a thirty year long shit show because this is the cycle to end all cycles. I'm raising one of the gen. That will change the world. They will accept the AI overlord ...the I generation will not work and loves their I pad more that anything. Their online identity is more important than their real identity. That are the perfect candidates for the greatest delusion ever perpetuated on mankind.

[@CamzCritiques]

@@misfithomemaker3683 ok boomer

[@o0yummyrice0o56]

I agree with you. I feel like we are in the end of the Crisis turning (june 2020), with the climax being COVID19 and BLM. I imagine the 4th turning occurring from 2020-2040ish.

[@howardbaxter2514]

@@o0yummyrice0o56 I disagree, I think we are in the midst of one, and it won't end until a life altering event, similar to that of WWII, comes about and ends. And, here's the thing, I don't think Covid-19, is that event. I say this as it is becoming more clear that Covid-19 may be the catalyst for the last event to end this Fourth Turning. Just speculation, but I believe the fourth turning will either end with another world war or the ending of civil wars across the globe.

[@ronpancik7908]

To sum it up we are all screwed

[@michaelfried3123]

And you thought 2020 was a rough year? buckle up buttercup! this rides only starting to get bumpy..

[@mytinyketolife6797]

Wow nail hit firmly on head. Being in 2022 and listening to this from 4 years ago is weird.

[@garywhapples365]

13:40 'kills everything off so that new things can grow' - bit of a scary prediction come true

[@GoingGoneGalt]

He never said that it would be good things that would grow. Just.... Things.

[@TheCatLady51]

He made it very clear what his belief system is with his mentioning of a Golden Age. This guy is probably so entrenched in a secret society that he has been made aware of the "plan".

[@Imtoooldtoargue]

Finally someone that sees through the smoke & mirrors. Thank you 🙏 Conveniently predictable (he also wrote a book with William Strauss…check that guy out!)

[@noahcongdon4229]

Who else is watching this Jan 6, 2021?unless it gets even worse after today

[@Miaminights2020]

You're late. The 4th turning started September 11th, 2001. That was the major event that completely shocked the nation. 2008 was an after shock. We are still in the 4th turning. I do agree it could last to 2025 or 2030.

[@talkintennis8124]

The more I see of this guy...and the more I look into his background / work history, it is obvious he is an advocate of the glow ball ist agenda. Hope other see thru him too.

[@happytrees4734]

If you’ve lost faith in the system, remove yourself from the system. Small, local, independent sustainable communities...that are armed to the teeth to reject authoritarians and any who would coerce obedience.

[@bulletproofmofo]

Look into agorism and REKO rings. There are communities forming as we speak, all over the world. It's not theory or sometime in the future. People are actively unplugging and finding ways to get what they need without participating in the insanity.

[@zackc3368]

Let me just pack my bags for the US now then....

[@ingroundpool]

I hope things get better, have read The fourth turning before, probably the best book on history and how things really work that I’ve read in my life. My jaw has dropped several times on how pretty much everything he says in the book that was going to happen is actually happening! Howe is a prophet and he figured it out.

[@seekndestroy8970]

Dude this is literally just history repeating itself (or rhyming as people like to say), it’s nothing crazy. If you read and studied history you’d know all of this yourself.

[@zackc3368]

@@seekndestroy8970 You're right. And it reinforces the "learn from the past"

[@dethray1000]

nope--america falls competely apart after 2032--

[@beverlychaney18]

Only if you stop complying and start saying no when you know what they are trying to shove it down our throughts, will this ever be stopped!!!

[@jeffreybaker5407]

First we need honest money, destroy the fractional fiat Central Bank system! All dollars are loaned into existence and we, the people, get stuck paying for the bailouts, wars, government waste and hypocricy!

[@sty723]

Bro, there's no such thing as honest money....Ever since the gold standard was dropped, money ain't been worth shit. Why you think there were multiple stimuluses given out?

[@jeffreybaker5407]

@@sty723 true Kareem, see above bro!

[@sty723]

@@jeffreybaker5407 And replace it with what? Oh shit, there’s cryptocurrency. But, what’s that based off of?

[@the_expidition427]

@@sty723 It is based off the idea that it isn't printed and there is only a finite amount.

[@montanaranger7376]

2023 Wow. We're just getting started.

[@OGWolfofAI]

Time traveler from 2021 here. It seems like I showed up too early. See you 9 years (hopefully).

[@cyberblock7619]

This will be the bloodiest turning in human history

[@theciakilledjfk5973]

Not if we're vaporized before the blood spills.

[@lhbrode]

@AHOB Oktober I do not believe we had laser technology in 1944.

[@paulbrower4265]

The last one was, and it will be nearly impossible to top that one in which despotic rulers like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Tojo reigned; when someone callow and incompetent ruled China; when the two leading democracies still in existence in 1941 to 1944 (the US and Great Britain) stopped at nothing to stave off defeat. Yes, there are nukes, but the world's leaders know that any victory in the wake of a nuclear exchange will be hollow. Conquests will be meaningless. Hitler's Holocaust and Stalin's Holodomor were possible only because of extreme suppression of any news reporting of the mass killings. That is over. We have mass death due to a horrific plague. COVID-19 has already killed more Americans than wartime combat and prisoner custody except for World War II and the Civil War. If you see lots of masks on people and find lots of businesses closed -- that is because people are willing to take an economic hit rather than die of one of the worst viral infections ever known. The NEXT Crisis Era could easily have global warming as its cause. Climate change could make a huge part of the earth uninhabitable due to extreme combinations of heat and humidity in the densely populated Malay Archipelago, South and Southeast Asia, and parts of Africa now undergoing a population explosion. Sea levels can rise significantly, inundating some of the world's richest farmland. If you think Bolshevist expropriation of small farmers horrible, at least the Bolshevists allowed those small farmers to live as serfs on collective farms. "King Neptune" will not allow even that means of survival. So where do hundreds of millions of peasant farmers go? Food supplies will crash, and so will populations. At such a time, wars and revolutions will be particularly likely and especially horrible. People like Putin, Xi, Trump, and Bolsonaro are far nicer than the sorts of leaders who flourish in so horrible a time as awaits Humanity about eighty years from now.

[@linmal2242]

@@paulbrower4265 Very well expressed and delineated, P B . Well done.

[@normankoo6159]

Paul Brower I concur with most of your thoughts and opinions except for climate change. The climate has always changed-before humans arrived on earth and after they are gone. Btw, I’m from UCB as well, but perhaps before your days.

[@redram5150]

The resolve of a fourth turn doesn’t revolve around a collective unifying with a government.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Is this what you think Howe said, or are you making a comment?

[@redram5150]

Kirstin Strand an observation

[@stacybrewer9272]

I would say it will come down into factions that splinter off and then decrease from all the chaos they will have to struggle through.....I don't think it will be a very peaceful scene.

[@rashidibrahem1081]

This is disturbingly accurate

[@cuddlemuffin.9545]

It's really simple, my father told about something like this coming back in the 90s, anyone back then would of seen this coming.

[@TerryBecker-bw1vx]

Economies are not all that will go wrong for the world at large. Bad weather, earthquakes, volcanoes, diseases, starvation, and finally pole shift.

[@helenkessler6012]

Then the nova. Don't forget that. Hello 0bserver. Gtsy

[@fudeyabroad3440]

I realized this a very long time ago. It is refreshing to see it laid out so simply.

[@amauryft]

I wish there were more examples to this. It's definitely interesting. I would love to know more about Roman, Chinese, German, British examples

[@RoadKill4Supper]

The information is available. Look into a device called "book". They are largely available in libraries and online.

[@amauryft]

@@RoadKill4Supper Thank. you so much. DO you know of any specific of these devices that address the specific topic, now I know books exist?

[@NJGuy1973]

In "The Fourth Turning" there's a chapter about how Rome lasted twelve cycles.

[@Struwwel2]

As far as British examples, Howe's book posits that the same pattern of turnings goes back to the 14th century (or 13th? I'd have to look it up). And that the US, because it began as a collection of British colonies, has been a continuation of the British turnings. I don't recall the book spending much time on other regions of the world - it's enough of a job to trace the pattern in Britain and the US - but I seem to recall it allowing for the possibility that what has happened generationally in Britain and the US has influenced other countries/regions.

[@namu5583]

2021 here.. the shit hitting the fan and it hit my face.

[@bertlemieux7169]

I see a parallel with the late Roman republic. We’ve had Marius but Sulla is yet to come.

[@Linda-lf3rj]

Wow. In 2023 this is crazy accurate! I feel a bit relieved knowing the historical perspective. Fascinating!

[@InkedArtisan85]

Old millennial here watching from the future. It wasn't Trump and it sure as hell isn't Biden. The shit is hitting the fan, but I can't help but to feel excited at the same time. I feel equal parts terrified and empowered. Weird times for sure.

[@berserker1175]

Hard times creates strong men and ends the weak.

[@HeadStronger-HS]

wow this really opened my eyes. As a gen x I have been pretty cynical, and I do like the millennial, but have mistrusted their enthusiasm as naive.

[@empemitheos]

how many millennials do you personally know who are middle class? most of my friends are intelligent hard working people with college degrees who are way behind in terms of their careers, owning property, and saving for retirement, and they know it and are not blind to it

[@meeksde]

empemitheos there’s quite a few trading in stock...

[@seekndestroy8970]

@David Williams Because there is a boom in communism. And we must squash it in order for things to improve.

[@TheSwissChalet]

@@seekndestroy8970 Correct. They are waiting for, and assume, the government will take care of their every need.

[@mimicanada1957]

Thank you for this It’s given me a paradigm shift about how I view everything now it’s fascinating

[@tom-iv6lc]

The short version is this. Tough men make good times , good times make for men weak , weak men create hard times, those hard times create new tough men.

[@cbarocio729]

Many of us are ready for a class war rn

[@Mike-mc3sh]

Lol it's 2021 and it looks like we have 9 more years of craziness coming until the next turning. Take care of yourselves people.

[@rmondave]

My bet/hope is that it will be the brilliant, courageous Gov Ron DeSantis that will have the toughness and diplomatic combination to lead the way back to a sound set of policies and fight the evil forces at the same time! Navy Seal, Harvard graduate, and Baseball slugger, with an appreciation of American Constitution and civic duties of ALL Americans denotes both the symbolic and substantive great American values! Get behind him, support and help him, or say goodbye to freedom!

[@user-ln4gd6hx7e]

You keep enjoying that Kool aid, loser.

[@rmondave]

@@user-ln4gd6hx7e Navy Seal, Harvard graduate, and Baseball slugger, with an appreciation of American Constitution ..Is a loser? .FYI U R A small childlike snowflake😁🤣😂😜😃😀😅😅

[@user-ln4gd6hx7e]

@@rmondave I was calling you a loser, you MAGA fucktard.

[@rmondave]

@@user-ln4gd6hx7e you can caĺl all you want as my relatives fought and died for your right to free speech

[@user-ln4gd6hx7e]

@@rmondave Your dead relatives know you're a moron too.

[@cjay1187]

2028 now, UFO invasion...... Aliens brought some sweet dope.

[@kaufmanat1]

I'm failing to see the millenials act heroically. I see them getting degrees they can't afford and whining about getting free tuition and complaining they don't want to work... Then again, that could be Gen Z too... Hard to distinguish.

[@master106]

We are heroes in many other ways. Like the jobs we pursue, there are many people I know going into the medical field. Also there are many millennials out there getting into jobs like firefighting and law enforcement. And also we are very charitable, just take a look at MrBeast as an example, with his work in philanthropy. I'd say Millennials are pretty heroic.

[@megret1808]

I called it “Made in Japan,” 1945-1965, “ Made in Taiwan, “1965-1985.” Took five years to shift to “ Made in China, “1990-2010.” Fascinating correlation

[@frequentlycynical642]

Fourth Turning, add one global pandemic. I'd love to hear his thoughts with the current situation.

[@abagnalefranklin3835]

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[@F1r3w4t3r]

Id say covid is the “?” In his chart of “financial crisis, war on terror and ?”

[@terrythompson7535]

We can't have a system based on competition, where the vast majority of people are expected to lose to teams of geniuses with super computers. We should be able, and WILLING, to put together a new system where we compete to benefit one another..

[@keaper6117]

Massive economic calamity, then war.

[@taoist32]

Stevie Boy It’s now 7 months later. Every calamity has or will happen soon. War is on the horizon next.

[@paulbrower4265]

@@taoist32 War need not happen.

[@taoist32]

Paul Brower No, but it will.

[@penguinabroad]

When you have a good idea but you're reading it backwards

[@Blue-rx9sr]

If millennials are the heroes of the next turning we're fucked.

[@finchborat]

Especially if it's the woke, immature ones.

[@OversoulSovereign]

I started reading this book and was shocked to read that Howe predicted some major world changing crisis in the USA around 2005. An event that would have been a Civil War or economic catastrophe that would change our culture or replace the current govt. Nothing of the sort happened and in all those other interviews, no one asks him for an explanation as to why his 2005 prediction never came to pass.

[@Cradien]

Financial crisis of 2008?

[@OversoulSovereign]

@@Cradien better re read what that shift would do to our economic system and ideology.

[@NJGuy1973]

A case could be made that Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was the first in a chain of events which led to social trust declining.

[@TheSwissChalet]

@@NJGuy1973 absolutely

[@MarmaladeINFP]

There was the Iraq War with the anti-war movement, the largest protest movement in the US and world history up to that point. It was, of course, in response to the 9/11 terrorist attack, the War On Terror as a Western religious crusade, the creation of Homeland Security, the return of illegal COINTELPRO (entrapment, spying on citizens, etc), and the creation of the imperial presidency. Combine that with what others mentioned. There was the failed government response to Hurricane Katrina that contributed to distrust and cynicism. And that was followed by the Great Recession where the underlying problems weren't resolved but pushed down the road. The banks that were too big to fail were bailed out and, without regulation, grew even larger. This and much else incited the Occupy Movement and growing populist demands that elected the next two presidents, the first black president and the first orange president, based on economic progressive promises. But it turned out that both presidents did nothing to fundamentally resolve the problems and improve conditions for most Americans. And now it feels like we've simply returned to the status quo. This caused ever increasing public outrage, ending in the another direct attack on the seat of national power, Jan. 6 MAGA insurrection, about a couple decades after the last direct attack in the plane flown into the Pentagon. Yet the older generations, in both parties, simply conspire to maintain their power in further screwing over the young and passing the buck, while we face ever more undeniable signs of climate change.

[@sakiracadman5673]

I'm pretty sure the fourth turning is happening right now in Hong Kong.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

@odegaard Perhaps a small price to pay to expose CCP's outer limits.

[@xDDufiosy]

Maybe just another cia color revolution.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

@@xDDufiosy The DNC seems to be the CIA's biggest booster these days. That's how bat crap crazy they may have been driven by circumstances. "Save our democracy". From Trump? Or from Biden's son? Or from CNN? "Our Democracy" is in no need of saving. I came of age 1965-1975 and this is an era of extraordinary tranquility by comparison.

[@xDDufiosy]

@@davidrapalyea7727 i agree, people dont realize how good they have it. i was a teen in the early 2000s and didnt even have a wrinkle in my tshirt. life was easy. Rich people live well anywhere, but poor people only live well in rich countries. Its sad to see the poor actively obliterating the reason for their elevated standard of living. countries need businesses and cheap energy to keep their countries rich. I think we are at another turning point tho. imo, beggers cant be choosers. in terms of political parties, im not sure who side the cia is on. more evidence points to them being globalist rather than nationalist.

[@sakiracadman5673]

@@xDDufiosy the cia are causing the people to not want the oppressive communist regime from destroying all of the HKs sovereignty and freedom?

[@littleredhenl.7868]

Grow food damn it. 🌬.°•.•°.*🌱 I'm here because the Corona their passin' around ain't no beer.

[@paulbrower4265]

Having been inoculated twice (as directed) against COVID-19 the only CORONA that I can experience is a beer. No dying on a ventilator for me!

[@G11713]

If you live in a tropical climate you understand implicitly that winter isn't strictly necessary despite his assertion to the contrary in his analogy. :)

[@the.parks.of.no.return]

The problem is the lack of personal responsibility.