The Future of Final Fantasy w/ Stealth40K - Solo Queue

Stealth and Damiani exchange ideas on how Square Enix should proceed with the future of the Final Fantasy series in the wake of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and Final Fantasy XVI, including who should develop Final Fantasy XVII and which direction it should follow.
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[@SomnusShinra]

I've finished Rebirth and maaan i really need that Podcast with MaxDood once he finishes Rebirth. It's gonna be insane...

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Been looking at his vids and he hasnt even got to the Gold Saucer yet... hes gonna go nuts.

[@ReddTurtl]

Max was in gongaga last I checked@@BasketCase-rr7tx

[@SomnusShinra]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx He's in Nibelheim at the moment. He explained the situation with the videos last night and it's complicated. You can check out his Twitch VOD's if you want to.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@SomnusShinra Yeah I knew he'd be futher if you watched him live, I just meant whjere his videos are. I havent been watching anyone play the game cus im still playing it myself.

[@SomnusShinra]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx Good call bro. Enjoy the game! It's full of love and passion for FF7 in general

[@TylerEdlin84]

After playing rebirths battles I have no desire to go back to turn based.

[@Dis2good]

Same. It’s the best in the series. Very action packed and cinematic. And fun to play

[@ViciousJackal16]

16 did its own thing and I respect and appreciate and love it. I can’t have every final fantasy following the same formula from the same devs. 7 Rebirth blew my expectations and easily my favorite final fantasy, a dream come true as 7 was my first rpg I touched on the PlayStation right next to crono cross. Square Enix blessed me with remake and rebirth now that I’m older what a great time to be an OG gamer 😂

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

FF16 was shit and Rebirth has just shown how overrated it was.

[@hotcoldman77]

FF1 - about FF10 were pretty much the same formula. Why can't the series going forward be the same formula with little tweaks here and there? Since when was it a mandate that every game in the series has to be drastically different smh

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@BasketCase-rr7txSays the guy that thinks suicide squad kill the Justice League was good.

[@msbkaioken136]

16 was amazing I'd love to see another final fantasy game similar to it.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@msbkaioken136 EH? I never played that game.

[@jamesbroome4802]

The Towns in Rebirth! Remember back in the dark days of XIII when they said they could not really do town in the HD era.

[@sonofsparda1810]

I've said this before in other discussions of this topic and I know a lot of people disagree with it, but the biggest problem FF is facing as a brand is the lack of gameplay and structural identity. The fact is that if SE said they were making FF17, you wouldn't have any idea what kind of game you were getting, whereas Capcom could've simply shown MH Wilds logo as the next big MH game and people would have a really good idea of what type of game awaited them. Like I said, I know there are lots of people who enjoy each FF doing its own thing gameplay and structure wise, but for a more mainstream audience, there is no through line between FF13, FF15, FF16 and FF7R series in terms of gameplay and structure and that complete uncertainty makes it hard for them to really care about FF as a brand imo.

[@monstercloset2416]

I wholeheartedly agree, but it's also why I love the FF series. The battle system is different from game to game. Some I like more than others, but that's part of it's appeal to me. However, I do agree with what you said. I can see how "Joe gamer" looks at any FF game and wonder if it's for them or what to expect. $70 is an expensive way to find out it's not for you.

[@phantomzxro1]

I don't know if I 100% agree with the assessment. To younger fans how maybe played 7 onwards or even 10 onward may feel like that. The battle system hasn't historically changed all that much. The base turn based battle has been there but each series has remixed features and mechanics. Only recently has the battle systems has been completely redone. The reason being SE trying to tackle the age odd problem of classic turn based rpg are a dying breed, at least in the mainstream triple A budget sense. So SE has been trying to find that sweet spot of rpg element but modern enough to appeal to new audiences. They are trying to find that new balance.

[@madkaiser4887]

speaking of Visions of Mana and Job Systems. Visions of Mana has confirmed (via JP Articles and screenshots) that Job Classes are returning (just like with Trials of Mana)

[@seogabonotjah6555]

My takes system axb, minigames, rpg elements of 7 rebirth. Setpieces and cinematic of ff XVI

[@angelom304]

The biggest misstep on the side content is it being narratively focused more on Chadley's and MAI's whims.

[@StabbyRocketJoe]

> Topic is the future of FF > Guest is Twitter's most hardcore Nintendo shill who knew nothing but trashed modern FF because of Sony

[@Amadeus_]

LOL. Great point. He probably still resents Final Fantasy because of Sony getting og FF7 exclusively on the PS1.

[@karjar5742]

Yea when he went "Games can do okaaaaaay on PS5, but on Switch...." he kinda lost me. I tend to not care about console wars or any of that stuff. I own a Switch, a PS5 and a PC. But this guy is unbearably smug about it.

[@StabbyRocketJoe]

Makes me glad all my favorite people left Easy Allies so I can finally put my support to rest.

[@Amadeus_]

@@StabbyRocketJoe True. It's on life support at this point.

[@pokemigas6049]

​@@karjar5742 Is he wrong tho? They were talking about Japan specifically and PS5 is not doing amazingly there. And he probably meant Switch 2 instead of Switch btw

[@Aerimaxe]

I think the big picture you missed here a bit is that 1. physical sales (sadly) are dwindling rapidly in every region so this could be totally misleading as far as how many copies actually sold, and two we dont know the worldwide sales yet. this could have totally payed off for them overall while being a loss in japan. we just dont have all the info. as a second to this after the huge success of Baldurs Gate 3 id love to see a hugely tactical party based FF next, maybe set it in Ivalice and get our best boy Matsuno on it....

[@Aerimaxe]

as an addendum here id also like to state that i LOVE VII REBIRTH and i love how it is layed out and how it plays. it has so much tactical thinking along with action, great side content and just so much to do and explore. I also loved xvi and my only gripe there was i wish we had more party interaction. Id like Final Fantasy to explore both a BG style game with a job system and hard core along with the action game route (with a party like rebirth)

[@alexisarosado3294]

Are these episodes available as podcast??

[@EasyAllies]

They're freely available on our Patreon RSS, but not on general podcast services yet. -Bloodworth

[@Butterfliesandzebras]

One issue with rebirth is everything is signposted... in the old FF games you just had to go around and explore. Even in ff7, you could go around on the tiny bronco and find all kinds of things without anyone telling you - would like to see more of that.

[@TylerEdlin84]

Yeah that’ may be my one gripe with it as well. Let’s get some truly organic discoveries up in here.

[@torchlight1785]

From what I've played of Rebirth story direction aside, the biggest weak points of the gameplay are honestly the repetitive towers and fountains which was brought up during this podcast. The side quests were the highlight, offering a different set of things to do to keep it fresh, and the proto relic thingies also added a lot. I get that a lot of people have "open world fatigue" because many games now spam you with the "go here and collect this," but this wasn't a major issue in Rebirth, just something I hope they fine tune for part 3. Also the ost is sooo damn good.

[@NealFowler]

one contention i have with some of these damiani questions: not every game should play the same. FF shouldn't become zelda, baldur's gate, the witcher, etc. it should be itself.

[@k2d271]

I would have included a header or a footer to the Final Fantasy game titles. Something like "An Anthology Series". Yes, it's an eye sore, but as it stands, casuals I know of see and hear about the series and I get the same questions from the same people over and over again about the numbering..

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

Just finished Rebirth last night, having not watched any of the trailers before playing it and going in completely blind I am hugely anticipating the third part! Did not care at all for FFXVI after I played the demo so I have been skipping mainline Final Fantasy since 13-2 after getting burned by 13. I hope FFXVII will be up my alley.

[@slyktech1860]

I assure you that a live action Zelda film will be longer than 1 hr and a half and probably be over 2 hrs.

[@MoeFokah]

Is there a FF (vs)fighter? I feel like that property is rife with material.

[@paulkuiper5410]

There's the Dissidia series but the last one was poorly received

[@MoeFokah]

@@paulkuiper5410 bummer. Long overdue imo

[@intalek305]

FF has great turned based games but it is never what actually made them great. Even for the people who want a return to turn base, I think if the real issue with the modern FF's are the lack of cities and regions and playable characters. Both of which have become extremely harder to do than they used to be regardless of turn based or not and if they could still do these things on the same level they used to be able to with modern technology on a logistically viable basis I don't think we would be getting people even saying a return to turn based is necessary. I don't even think it would come up in discussion in the community of the game. Unfortunately for that crowd, turn based solves neither of these issues in a practical way. Fortunately for people like me who don't want a return to turn based, I think the devs realize this too, and will never go back to it in main FF games.

[@benno8113]

Yeah I'd love to get Rebirth, but won't get a ps5 just for it. I'd rather wait and get it on steam when it comes to it. I think a lot of people are in the same position.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

There are other great games on PS5. Returnal is amazing.

[@benno8113]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx True but that also is on Steam now.

[@chibill467]

Stellar blade maaaaan

[@batmantheworldsgreatestdet5160]

I know its controversial take but final fantasy shouldn’t ever return to turn based like the old days. Mostly because dragon quest has always had better turn based structure, and mechanics, so it holds the torch better as a classic rpg series. Final fantasy should continue to with high production value, experimental projects. To be honest they don’t need to innovate too much and rather just apply rebirth’s style of combat so we are engaged every party member uniquely, as its easily my favorite battle system of the franchise. Id love for 16 team have another shot at a mainline game too, and just gives us futuristic take very different from 16, and give us at least 3-4 characters even if they split them up often if its a more realistic serious tale. Personally id love for them to go back and forth between typical balance of brevity and seriousness, and completely serious. Also a 10 remake series with rebirths combat with a new part 3 story would be a cool.

[@danissary]

FF has this unfortunate problem of having a really fragmented and toxic fanbase. To some extent that is due to every FF game being different. Some of the most die-hard fans are also the ones who are trying their hardest to drag the franchise down in public discussions because they haven't gotten over the fact that the franchise moved beyond what it was on the PS1. Like, these are 20-year-old grudges at this point and they're still going at it. Now, more than ever, I feel like word of mouth carries more weight in a game's success than big marketing dollars because there are just so many games to play. If I see a gaming franchise with half of its fanbase shitting on it 24/7, I wouldn't be particularly interested in exploring those games. This causes an issue with the legs of FF game sales. They always have very strong launches but then completely drop off a cliff because once the initial hype on a game has died down all people do is shit on the game until 10-15 years have passed and then they suddenly appreciate it (just look at FF13 where most of the complainers have finally given up and only the people who liked the game are still singing its praises). At that point it's too late since very few people are interested in jumping in 10 year old games they skipped the first time around.

[@arceptor]

i prefer the rebirth combat system

[@msbkaioken136]

If future games are like rebirth or 16, I'd be very happy, especially if they make 16 combat even more like devil may cry that'd be awesome.

[@arceptor]

@@msbkaioken136 nah keep dmc combat in dmc thanks

[@msbkaioken136]

@@arceptor Why that combat system is incredible the more games that are like it, the better.

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

@@msbkaioken136 Nah. I prefer to keep thinking when I play FF games.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 So you don't have to think when you're playing. Devil may cry that's definitely a take that somebody said apparently.

[@TheJCghost]

I love FF16, but I would love to see a return to turn based game, but I want a turn based system like BG3 would be fun to see with top graphics

[@Coldsilfur4]

FF7 Remake combat is so much better than that.. and the old combat is time based.. not turn based (ATB)

[@knomar]

@@Coldsilfur4the ATB is turn based with a time limit to choose. I seem to remember that there’s an on/off option for it. I could be wrong.

[@Coldsilfur4]

@@knomar ATB = active time battle, says it all

[@Denial210]

I'd love FFXVII to be the first pixel 2DHD RPG with an action based or hybrid combat system. A revival of something like Terranigma, but massive in scale with a lot of USEFUL hidden stuff and with the beautiful Octopath-ish depth effects.

[@OrangeLightning]

The sales of the series are declining and his idea is to just make a classic style game because it's what he wants.

[@hododod246]

What FF series is struggling is that expanding the audiences. I am not a FF fantasy fan. I played 6, 9, 10, 13, 15, 7 remake, 16. Could not finish any of them other than 7 Remake and 16. 15 and 13 was aggressively bad. Did not like 16. 7 Remake was okay. For 6, 9, 10 I could not stand turnbased combat. For the 7 Rebirth I decided to wait for it come to playstation plus since the open world stuff seems really uninteresting. But one thing I am certain they should keep real time combat. For 16 combat and boss fights are solid 10/10. The problem was the rest of the game and not having higher difficulty option from the get go. I don't know. Series is all over the places for me. It lacks solid core foundation like other big series have. Biggest problem is story, characters and dialogues for me.

[@QuarantinedCapricorn]

There are only 2 versions of a Final Fantasy game i care to see. One that evolves from Rebirth’s formula and one that is square’s take on the Baldur’s Gate 3 formula. I really hope they get inspired to give turn based another try because of the success of that game.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

You dont wanna see a Tactics 3?

[@msbkaioken136]

I would massively prefer that they stick with this gameplay style or the gameplay style from 16. If they want to make it be an option to be turned based fine but action gameplay is way more fun and engaging.

[@QuarantinedCapricorn]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx i wouldn’t complain, but i think they need to nail a mainline FF before i bother to care about getting another tactics game.

[@QuarantinedCapricorn]

@@msbkaioken136 16 was amazing, but not what i want out of FF. Having a party and recruiting characters are core to what makes FF feel like FF in my opinion.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@QuarantinedCapricorn I would absolutely love to see another final fantasy game like 16, but expanded. 16 does have a party, by the way and you do recruit characters as well in that game. So I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

[@rockerojerez349]

Waiting for final fantsay 7 part 3

[@jamflox5391]

FF9

[@makotoamamiya2442]

Imo i think thwy ahould stick with fighting combat a mixture of rebirth and XVI's but they ahould also try new thiga ik its gonna be tough for some to hear but final fantasy isnt all about mini games

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

On the exploration, while this game is much better than Remake on that front it still is a lot of just holding forward until you get to the actual content. Rather than the world providing any challenge of interest it's mostly just a pretty backdrop until you hit the next minigame or fight. A more interactive world that you can freely interact with, using combat abilities would be a lot better. Also it desperately need to let go of the super automated traversal, (auto jumping, abilities like the grapple hook only work on very specific points) and just give a proper jump buttons and abilities you can use at any time to traverse.

[@Amadeus_]

Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy Remaster.

[@AB-cr1cu]

FF7 Rebirth early sales compare to FF16 very low, why is that ? i can think of one thing people didn't like the FF7R P1 so didn't bother to pick up the sequel..., just look at mass effect - The witcher - Baldur's Gate - Dragon age..., the sequel always sold better than the prequel. I wish FF17 Action only game with great cinematic and voice acting like FF16 but without the pointless fetch-side quests.. as for who should make the next FF game THE FREE MARKET WILL DECIDE, not what i think or fans thinks !!!

[@OranjeDiscoDancer]

If you really want turn based FF so you think Square should pepper it in and boost the brand, fine. But doing so isn't going to be some sales hit. If XVI can hit 8 million this year, which it has a solid shot at doing, then it will surpass Persona 5 and Royal sales combined over 7 years across systems with a much higher install base. I'm guessing Square has that data internally.

[@danissary]

Exactly, people vastly overestimate how well turn-based games do sales-wise. It's just Pokemon, about 3 FF games and BG3 that have managed to sell more than 10m units as a turn-based game. And with BG3, I would say it sold well despite its combat, not because of it. I understand why people would want it for personal reasons but arguing that it would be a smart business move is just baffling tbh. FF used to outsell series like God of War and Zelda easily but those latter two reinvented themselves and are now blockbuster hits. Reverting back to turn-based combat would be the opposite of that.

[@knomar]

I’m not a fan of FF games playing like Devil May Cry for kids. Hack and slash is tiresome for a role playing game. Action games seem to need some very costly set pieces to keep them entertaining which is understandable. Turn based lends itself well to long games as long as they are built on a system that keep the players challenged and engaged. Lots of old turn based games are littered with endless random battles against enemies that put up zero challenge or strategic opportunities. Chrono Trigger did it right.

[@corruptdropbear]

Terrible idea: FFXVII is going to be the third part of the 7 trilogy just because of the 17 pun. Alternately I want to see a FF take on a Persona turn system and day activities

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

FF7 Rebirth is the first game in literally decades that actually feels like Final Fantasy, which makes it a huge shame that FF17 wont be anything like it.

[@rjbeanz]

How do you know 17 won’t be?

[@SyLuX636]

It doesn't matter since they only care for FF7 and 16 was a disappointment.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@rjbeanz Because I played FF16.... and 15... and 13.... Ive been seeing the road they have been progressing down for years.

[@msbkaioken136]

That's such an ignorant thing to say. You have such a narrow-minded. View on what final fantasy can and can't be despite the series itself, contradicting it.

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@SyLuX63616 was not a disappointment that game was incredible.

[@DewaHuang]

Personally i want tactical main line FF. Bring all past iconic main as hidden recruitable Super rich customization party, class, etc. multiple ending, story alter choices, replayability, etc It might not selling as high initially, but if it done right, will be cult classic down the road

[@raabgatti]

The PS5 install base is VERY low in Japan, they value the mobility of mobile games and the switch. Ill wait a while longer for full sales data including digital.

[@lothar3073]

This discussion is pointless, Square only cares about money, point me at the game that made most money and that's the direction Final Fantasy will take.

[@Butterfliesandzebras]

If they make ff17 a 2d HD pixel art (or ff9 style) turn based RPG, release it on the Switch, and announce Sakaguchi as a director, then the hype level will be immense. Personally I'd really dig something like that and I know a lot of people who would give something like that a go in today's more casual game dominated market.

[@Maxbeedo2]

Rebirth's Japan sales numbers showed it sold almost twice as many physical copies as the #2-30 games combined across all platforms, so like Stealth said it seemed more like a PS5 problem, next game effect of XVI being somewhat disappointing, or a time of the year problem, not a problem with Rebirth. If you get >50% of the entire market you can't really expect more than that. My thoughts on recent FF games: FFXVI - Incredibly boring outside of a few set pieces. No gameplay depth or variety, was never in danger of dying even as I platinumed it. Exploration is useless. Story was incredibly derivative and one-note, as they clearly didn't know how to write a good political story, especially compared to the Matsuno entries, and refused to add any comedy or lightheartedness to give the drama space to breathe. Bottom 5 FF for me. FFVII Rebirth - Insane gameplay variety, both in combat and out. Not afraid to be weird, crazy or funny, which allows the drama to hit harder. I have almost never been bored with it throughout my 90 hours so far, even if only like half the mini-games are good. Like the Yakuza series, you have a lot of freedom to focus on the parts you find fun. Haven't reached the end but I'd rate it pretty highly. FFXVII doesn't need to have as much variety as Rebirth, but it needs to have SOME. I'm not sure an open-ended non-linear style would work for them as their extreme focus on graphical and musical fidelity lends itself more to a crafted experience, but having SOME freedom like in Rebirth is usually enough. The VII+X=XVII idea would be hilarious, but personally I'd love to see a return to Ivalice with a more strategic focus, either like XII or Tactics or both, as strategy lends itself more to the theme of war and politics, and this could include a job system and non-human party members like ya'll mentioned.

[@syferz]

Ff17 will come out well after switch 2, and Sony's cross gen with their previous consoles is only getting longer, even pushing graphics, anything that will run on PS5 will run on Switch 2. The 8 core A78 cpu is powerful enough, the GPU will do up to half the performance of PS5 with its GA10F GPU. Drake is just a much more capable machine and diminishing returns means that it will take more and more hardware to create these gaps in power.

[@Baardnick]

to me final fantasy should have turn based combat, so many years since the last one... also so far between any good ff game. rebirth prolly the best in 20 years, but not any competition in the series during that time... get good turn based, whatever it is, keep it turn based: bg3, yakuza, persona, smt, all have turn based and the combat is amazing.

[@FyLaw95]

Checked the guests twitter profile and I have him blocked lol. The guy sounded like a nintendo fanboy in this video, so I guess it makes sense why he's blocked.

[@who_hurt_youproductions8826]

I think square has an identity crisis similar to Capcom. They need to stick with what made the numbered FF games great. If they want to try something new like 16 then don't give it a number. I think moving forward any numbered FF game should just use rebirths battle system and tweek it depending on the game you're trying to make. 16 had no rpg elements and the combat was boring after you got bahamut. Its an inferior version of DMC yes I said what I said. Like the older FF games were all turned based which allowed them to focus more on the story and characters and making the world feel big. So if they just stick with rebirths system they can just focus more on the characters and story. I'm sorry but I literal would fall asleep playing 16 it was that bad for me. Also start adding different races and creatures to the party like ff10 and ff14 online. Also bring back the class system where your characters can change their classes or upgrade them like Trials of Mana. Also in 16 explain to me why the Marlboro tentacles bad breath does nothing to you. That's unacceptable smh

[@NicoKaneo]

The future is gonna be flashy action with almost zero strategy.

[@afxboc]

Turn based FF isn't exactly know by its strategy, if that's what you're suggesting. Unless we talk about secret bosses and stuff like that you can pretty much beat the main story of most classic FFs by spamming attack, cure and your strongest spell/summon. I love the classic games but lets not pretend FF was a hardcore JRPG series.

[@draculathevampire934]

Final fantasy needs to go back to turned base, blue dragon is a perfect example of what a modern final fantasy could play like

[@KidJustice123]

As a FF diehard the future of FF is uncertain for me. FFXVI was a step in the right direction but they really need to stop relying on fanservice and nostalgia. What are they going to do when they run out of story for FF7 or when focusing on combat and giant bosses gets stale? There's a sense of wonder that's been missing for a long time from these games. And before anyone calls it hate I'm 60 hrs into Rebirth and beat XVI in August.

[@arceptor]

Ff10-3

[@KidJustice123]

@@arceptor I was thinking more ff13-lightning returns again

[@nixn6412]

Turn based is the key

[@rudolphbeasley5652]

I been waiting for the open world turnbased FF5 inspired AAA RPG for so long! It'll never happen tho sadly

[@Playerz714]

Ehhhh its okay but I feel active combat from FF7/16 is better than just a straight up turn based

[@heejincider4905]

No

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@Playerz714 FF16 has terrible combat, you can litterally close your eyes and mash attack and complete that game.

[@Playerz714]

That sounds like FF7 too lol @@BasketCase-rr7tx

[@xjavx2010]

I don't think putting it in pc is not going to help the game. ff7 remake in steamdb is 13,803 all-time that is low. They should put the game in the PS4 because has more console (100m plus) out there.

[@Playerz714]

I mean the PC Port was terrible period and fully priced/Epic Exclusive

[@shubhankar2508]

That's because it was exclusive to EGS for a year, not to mention the fact that the PC port blew chunks. SE didn't help itself with how it handled Remake's PC launch in the slightest.

[@SyLuX636]

People are getting FF7 fatigue and want something actually well done that doesnt suffer because they prefer to work on FF7 than their other games.

[@KidJustice123]

That's where I'm at. Like I'm not a person that goes nuts over nostalgia no matter how great it feels. I feel like SE is now so big they can't just sell a original compelling story and cast of characters. They need to make their games "cool" so they actually sell and make up for these crazy production costs

[@msbkaioken136]

Final fantasy, 7 fatigue that doesn't even make any sense. We've gotten 2 things related to it in like 4 or 5 years. That's not very often whatsoever. I've also seen people literally play remake, the DLC. And then rebirth back-to-back and they were having a blast so over a 100 almost 200 hours of final fantasy 7 hasn't been fatiguing people so I doubt years in between is.

[@SyLuX636]

@msbkaioken136 the Remake of the OG FF7, FF7 Battle Royal, FF7 mobile game with gacha costumes that give different moveset, Crisis Core Remake. That's looks alot like all FF7 related games to me, dude.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@SyLuX636 The vast majority of that only appealed to the hardcore final fantasy, 7 fans. The average person didn't play doesn't know or doesn't Care about a lot of that. So, the only people that could possibly be affected by it are hardcore fans but even then plenty of them aren't.

[@SyLuX636]

@msbkaioken136 your moving away from the argument. It doesn't matter if there Casual or Hardcore people are gonna play it cause it's FF7. I don't see any other FF or series with that many games for one installment. FF 5, 6, 9 and 10 are barely touched in the last 15 years meanwhile 7 gets like 7 games in less than 3 years.

[@ChichiNaka]

pump out another one, pay media to cover it and pretend its a good game until a year passes and they can add it to the pile of bad FF games with every 13 game, 15 and all its multimedia and now 16. Its amazing that they can pump out a 2013 era ubisoft open world and still get 9.5s from their bought in audience

[@st0mpz_G]

Homie do you really believe anyone that enjoyed this game was bought? You might want to accept the fact that people that have different opinions than yours aren't part of some conspiracy. Hope you get your mainline turn based FF soon though 🤞. L&R

[@ChichiNaka]

@@st0mpz_G No but if you're actively paid by square enix I don't have to believe anything in my own imaginary world right? I don't need a turn based FF, I'm fine

[@alangonzalezmartinez8189]

I hated this dude

[@FreeFlow__]

I dont wanna see a game like ff16 ever again in the franchise. Yoship P can stick to mmo's but he should stay away from a mainline single one.

[@hotcoldman77]

Thank you! Such a terrible (FF) game

[@msbkaioken136]

That's so ridiculous 16 is one of the best games in the entire franchise.

[@FreeFlow__]

@@msbkaioken136 Who are you kidding?

[@msbkaioken136]

@@FreeFlow__ Nobody all I'm saying is facts, but you definitely must be looking in the mirror laughing a lot.

[@FreeFlow__]

@@msbkaioken136 And you have obviously a terrible taste. But it's all good.

[@unclelive6918]

Rebirth sales tanked , can’t beat ff16 lmao

[@arceptor]

wait for squares sales numbers

[@SyLuX636]

Square milking FF7 is beginning to backfire. It's obvious the poured more money into FF7 and 16 suffered for it.

[@ViciousJackal16]

Rebirth is a sequel on one system like ps5. The game would not have been as good as it is now if it was on multi platform. Xbox series s would have dragged the quality down for rebirth. Xbox stopped making consoles anyways. In japan, citizens read manga on the train and play handheld/mobile games they work so many hours they don’t got time to sit on a couch and play experience rebirth…

[@msbkaioken136]

Why does it always have to be an us VS them mentality? Both games are great as final fantasy fans, you don't need to put down one game to prop up the other. Just enjoy both like I do it's much more fun that way.

[@roseforyoubabe]

a lot of ps5 sold in japan did not stay in japan many were shipped to china to circumvent the region locked chinese ps5 consoles

[@roseforyoubabe]

final fantasy 16 sold 3 million it's first week with a user base of 38 million while switch games like fire emblem xenoblades and metroid barely make 3 million years later on a base at the time of over 100 million so not not every switch games becomes a massive sales hit

[@DiegoCervantes-qz7ku]

Hey, yoshi p cultists how did you feel when turn based game baldurs gate 3 won game of the year?

[@msbkaioken136]

​@@DiegoCervantes-qz7kuProbably perfectly fine. Because 2 games can be great at the same time.

[@Playerz714]

Come on man that award was pure fluff based on the developer @@DiegoCervantes-qz7ku

[@arceptor]

​@@msbkaioken136 ff16 was a dud

[@msbkaioken136]

@@arceptor not really but okay bud.