The future of the Tory party and Britain | Jacob Rees-Mogg

John and Jacob discuss the future of conservatism and the Tory party in Britain
See their full interview here: • The Battle for Britain...
Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg has been as a Conservative Member of Parliament in Somerset since 2010. He previously served as Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council.
Rees-Mogg has authored 3 books including 'The Victorians: Twelve Titans Who Forged Britain', and he now hosts the State of the Nation on GB News. A devout Catholic, he lives in Somerset with his wife and six children.
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[@Design_no]

As Starkey says, you can't win from the middle. If you are conservative, BE CONSERVATIVE.

[@pmays4]

Mogg is not conservative and never has been.

[@ironsideeve2955]

Macron has joined the chat

[@greebo7857]

They don't see that the "middle" keeps moving, towed along by the Left. It's rather like the bullied kid, desperately seeking the favour of someone who will never give it to them, when they would be far better off being themselves and being liked for who they are.

[@niguel4438]

@@Design_no absolutely

[@morsmagne]

I disagree with Rees-Mogg - There are too many One Nation 'wet' MPs, and it's the legal migration that's also a big problem.

[@elbuggo]

The legal invasion is far worse than the illegal invasion.

[@johnh1872]

Rwanda had no chance of working. We need to leave human rights act . Also letting in 600k legal migrants was a complete joke.

[@elbuggo]

Those 600k will have multiplied to 1200k in 10 years, and 2400k in 20 years.

[@michaelgray7847]

Absolutely!!)

[@PennySmart]

I can't believe he wasn't re-elected while Rishi Sunak was!😢

[@saulgood2366]

Falling asleep while you have your snout in the public trough will do that

[@iggyzeta9755]

He was never well-liked in the Tory Party so they didn't parachute him into a solid safe seat

[@robertcatterson8835]

He wasn’t elected because he never put his hand up, he’s a life-long politician and a coward? just full of tickety boo one liners and cucumber sandwiches 🥪.

[@12alocin]

Depends on the kind of people in the constituency!

[@elainepitkin3561]

Could have been by the same mechanism he became pm.

[@belleepoque2544]

I adore JRM, shame he lost. A wonderful MP.

[@eliwhaley4804]

Hear hear

[@jeremyschipp]

He is nothing but a wealthy snob

[@iggyzeta9755]

​@jeremyschipp Yes yes, you hate his accent, we get it. People who have more money than you must be evil

[@michaelgray7847]

He's a very rich Toff , who does no represent me and many more across Britain.

[@CHRISDABAHIA]

@@michaelgray7847😂

[@inisboru3181]

You need conservative MPs in a conservative party, to qualify as a conservative party.

[@nickmiller4814]

It is not immoral to care more for ones own children than the children of strangers. It is, in fact, moral to do so. Charity cannot end in self destruction. This is also true of nations.

[@61shirley]

he puts forward a moral case but its weak and feeble. we need strength and sternness

[@rudyberkvens-be]

These are 2 of the lost values to be regained indeed. But not all.

[@markh7484]

I am sick and tired of Labour claiming the moral high ground, unchallenged. For example (though there are many), they will talk about the need for a fair taxation system, with the implication that whatever Labour want is fair and what the Tories want, is unfair. They will talk about a fair deal for doctors. Or a fair deal for nurses. But they do not get to define and own what is "fair".

[@whatnextincomo]

Excellent point.

[@alicelund147]

They do get to define that because liberals let them; these old Tories will reason and excuse themselves until they loose their last seat in Parliament .Only the New Right will deny Labour that right.

[@buffalobill2874]

If there are a lot of people labouring away hard at their job roles like nursing or construction or whatever then they probably do get to determine what constitutes fair because they likely outnumber other industries in manpower. Other better paid professionals can't really go on strike because access is already limited eg psychiatrists in Australia aren't readily accessible to those on low income.

[@niguel4438]

JRM will be sorely missed

[@leehighland5435]

Not by reform voters, I am glad his gone.

[@colvinator1611]

By who ?

[@niguel4438]

@@colvinator1611 rational people who take the trouble to listen

[@lawrencerogers576]

He’s just making excuses. They ignored their supporters from Day 1. And it got worse even after 2015. May deliberately wrecked Brexit. Boris is nothing less than a hooligan. Truss did not stick to her guns. Sunak did not understand anything.

[@karlarcher8773]

Is it moral to entice skilled workers from developing countries who have poorer healthcare and utility services than the UK.

[@cctv5348]

Tories are too loyal to America to call out the plight of natives to mass displacement. Increase racial diversity, increase inequality, decrease civic and social quality of life. They were also very weak on grooming gangs & crime generally.

[@simonengland6448]

America has never been our friend. Never will be. Their priorities are different from ours.

[@lenabo9929]

What is an american native ?

[@shitpeas]

Bush/Blair? We kid ourselves that we're an independent nation. Decades ago, we signed up to follow US policy - even to the extent of breaking international law. We are but cheer-leaders for US-led NATO - a bloc that ceased to have a meaningful purpose following the dissolution of the USSR. Cheer-leaders with the world's second largest arms export business, that is.

[@simonengland6448]

@@lenabo9929 What isn't these days?

[@AndrewJepson-sn3yg]

If you watch world politics, you can see the backlash against mass immigration, DEI, large state and other liberal left wing ideologies in America with Trump, Canada with Pollievre, and most acutely in Argentina with Millei... We as usual will just be 5 years behind the curve...

[@EmergingEvents]

Not to mention that government has a moral duty to protect and uphold its citizens first and foremost including as the dictates of these times show to maintain education, healthcare services for their people.

[@theend9494]

The conservatives won over the workers and forgot they were the upper class, then they looked down on them, and then they paid the price

[@pawelpap9]

Says who? I do not think “moral” duty counts for much. Usually Constitution spells out what various branches of goverment are responsible for and these are legal obligations, not moral.

[@whatnextincomo]

Moral precedes legal.

[@Jimmy-ew2xe]

It’s about time the power was handed back to we the people. It just needs the proper planning and discussion. Communities should be able to manage themselves. It just takes teamwork.

[@jeremyschipp]

First past the post system should be eliminated it is only because of that Labour have majority but not all the popular vote

[@lenabo9929]

The conservatives could of changed that they didnt. Popular vote is irrelvant under fptp. Secondaly if there was pr we would likely have centrist governments because they will be able to create coalisions

[@Dan-to9hl]

​@@lenabo9929 preferential voting, AV, is a good compromise, still just one mp per electorate but all votes count no exhausted votes

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@Dan-to9hlthat wont make much (if any) difference

[@Dan-to9hl]

​​​@@ironsideeve2955 no it's very different, you don't get government that has 30% percent support, no spoiler effect. The vote goes to a second, third, fourth etc preference if the preferred candidate is eliminated, it's like running multiple elections concurrently and ends with the election of a single candidate. You still get landslides under AV voting, they are just a truer reflection of voters sentiment not a mathematical aberration. Proportional representation is an exact voter sentiment but can create very mixed parliaments, we have that in our senate. NZ runs a PR government, that seems to cause issues. I suppose a theoretical outcome of this election may have been a Conservative Reform coalition government, or a much increased Reform win. That would hardly be centrist. Regardless coalitions can still occur under fptp, it's happened in the UK.

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@Dan-to9hl yeah nah

[@kalanos4660]

The Conservatives first need to get out of the London-centric bubble. A democracy represents the people, it doesn't stigmatise them for not thinking like our "masters".

[@michaelgray7847]

So right!!)

[@michaelgray7847]

So right.

[@StoNe-ji6bc]

In an argument, if you want to debate a right winger, target their rational side. When debating a left winger, target their emotional side. Emotions will always win because guilt, shame, self righteousness can be an easy sell to people who want to be popular

[@SpeedfreakUK]

Leftists don’t feel guilt

[@samuellowekey9271]

It's the media who frame debates in such a way, they're trained that way. It's only because the corporate media have almost a complete monopoly on the flow of information that it appears that emotions win over rationality, but on the rare occasion that the case for conservatism is given equal weight, common sense invariabily wins out.

[@dianeirvine7624]

Labour mp’s are becoming similar to Thames water - they are creating a obnoxious smell

[@rogeralsop3479]

Most thoughtful.

[@ipohtennischannel5482]

Now the leader of the queue at his local unemployment centre. And the moral of the story is... "Never betray the interests of the people you were elected to represent." 😅😅😅

[@S3NTRY]

What about the moral good of putting your own people ahead of chancers

[@leehighland5435]

Mogg would have been quite happy for us to vote Tory back into power and for the Tories to just carry on has they were. This is why I cheered when he lost his seat. All he cares about is the Tory party, but I have come to the conclusion Tories whether they be liberal ones or not, don't care about us, all they care about is their party and themselves.

[@organisationxiv2927]

He's now sounding so out of touch and lacklustre. He's part of the entrenched establishment - the same talkingg points from three or four years ago, not far enough.

[@alanmunch5779]

I like JRM, however he is far removed from the lives of ordinary people and I don't think he can understand why people became so angry at the Tories. He comes across as if what's happened is a bit unfortunate, but is for his intellectual stimulation - for his interest as he analyses and discusses it with others over a glass of wine. It has not really touched him. There is no sign of humility, taking responsibility, regret or sadness. I suppose it's not really his fault; he lives in a bubble and always will. The cost would be very high to him to step out of his bubble, and I don't think he would be prepared to do that. I'm not talking about wealth or privilege, but mindset and character. HRH Prince William exhibits real compassion and a desire to understand people's lives, which JRM and many politicians don't.

[@Coldenthusiast]

Weak and pathetic moral case from Mogg. The moral case is to protect British people from outsiders, stopping people dying in the channel is a secondary benefit. It would also help if we believed them, sending 1 man to Rwanda is hardly making up for the millions they let in - both legally and illegally.

[@alicelund147]

Old men talking about old things like old men talk. These two men is part of the reason why a new nationalistic "right"/"conservatism" will totally replace Tory. They and the Tories are the past.

[@AshleyJOsborne]

Articulate conversation, thankyou gentleman.

[@brianthompson5829]

It would be a mistake to admit Mogg into the Reform party, he's an entitled snob.

[@angelmessenger8240]

To have accurate opinion polls you first need unbiased companies to run them. Yougov is biased.

[@dod4004]

As a Labour voter in 2024, some of the most popular Tory policies for me were actually under George Osborne. And they were moral arguments, not just economic. That you shouldn't be paid more for laying at home than going out to work, nor for churning out children you cannot afford. But then they got bored of that and never mentioned it ever again.

[@CSUnger]

Ultimately, if the people aren’t moral …

[@shelleyscloud3651]

What about what’s ‘moral & good’ for the citizens of this country?!! Because women up and down the land are living out the ´moral & good’ effects of Welby’s sanctimonious naivety!!

[@grahamhutton1633]

Jacob, the conservatives needed to be true to label and not focus solely on being in government. The problem with most politicians is they focus on being elected / re-elected instead of as JA says make the case.

[@leehighland5435]

His beloved Tory party is all he cares about, that is whay I can't stand him anymore.

[@dougg1075]

He makes Neil Ferguson sound like a peasant

[@truecolor313]

Posh boys infighting people did not like

[@jennymum]

Reform are already in fighting.

[@MYMUSICCHANNEL-db4ky]

14 years of tories 14 year of people trafficers could it be they have not been caught or stopped because they are tories what do you think ?

[@andrewwickham4642]

The last true leaders of western conservatism are all my personal favourites…. UK Margret Thatcher, US Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul11 and our very own John Howard…. 🇦🇺 John Anderson for those listeners not versed with Australian political history, played the pivotal role as Deputy PM to Howard in that sweat spot of conservatism in Australia… Howard / Anderson/ Fisher period governed between 1996-2007. (Sadly we lost the absolute national treasure Tim Fisher in recent years) Today in 2024 Australia, with the exceptions of former PM Tony Abbott, the 2 people that make more sense than all the compiled political crop is our national treasures, John Howard 85 and a very young John Anderson 68 (apologies JA)… One not only could but should listen to these 3 guys on any available occasion to be reminded what character, soul and leadership used too and should look like … Congratulations John on your fine channel Andrew Wickham

[@spezzington]

Conservatives - the damage is done and cannot be fixed. Now there is an alternative.

[@mattevans4377]

Have the Tories tried being competent? You never know, it might work.

[@bradcavanagh3092]

His suit is way too big for him.

[@pawelpap9]

And his tie too dark. I am glad there are more people like you and I, paying attention to what really matters.

[@freddieallen2088]

I struggle to understand why this man was dumped in favour of Starmer, Rayner, Dodds, Lammy, Butler, Phillips,Abbot and the rest of Labour’s mental pygmies.This man articulates with an intelligence far superior to that of those mentioned collectively,irrelevant of your own politics.

[@raddimusmcchoyber3362]

What culturally, socially conservative things have the Conservative Party done since the 1960s? Apart from Section 28, and Brexit. Name anything.

[@buffalobill2874]

Try and say "coalition" like this guy 😊 (it features after 4 mins). I think he's got a cold/ flu though.

[@vasilispatsalidis5683]

Jacob. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@arismei]

There is no future for the whole UK

[@SagaciousFrank]

Can the reform? That's the issue, they changed into a Blairite party, especially since Blameron.

[@noelhausler2911]

Why are the Nordic countries where tax is higher and a generous safety net and are the happiest countries in the world happiness report.

[@matthewcook9404]

Matthew 19 verse 24

[@noelhausler2911]

United Kingdom debt to GDP 2019 85.4% of GDP (2019) Sweden 35.1% of GDP (2019)

[@alandouglas4959]

he is not an mp!

[@MrResiman]

f adverts over 30 sec

[@carolyndarragh1891]

They are way too woke

[@spezzington]

Is Rwanda at the bottom of the channel?

[@DavidSmith-mo3dk]

Dump the BBC licence and be free.

[@cnrspiller3549]

Socialists feel then think - capitalists think then feel.

[@pmays4]

Mogg schemes, then lies.

[@DLZBGMO]

Jacob and Suella are two true Tories who can save our party and country

[@CaptainGrimes1]

The fact that he thinks the woke Archbishop of Canterbury is a good and holy man shows just how much out of touch he is with conservative opinion.

[@gusmlie]

So dissapointed. What about the risk to the native population. Stop using naughty traffickers. We should decide who stays and who isnt allowed. Period.

[@bosse641]

Would it not be better if Sir Jacob joined Reform ? Better for England and UK.

[@PaulGappyNorris]

Mogg simply doesn’t have a clue, he doesn’t give a toss about ‘the people’ he is only interested in being relevant. Which he isn’t.