The Genetic Heritage Of The Red Scorpions - 40K Theories

[@bgcvetan]

Red Scorpion: You deserve nothing but contempt ! Black Dragon: The feeling is mutual, vermin.

[@matics453]

I side with the Black Dragons in this one

[@randomcenturion7264]

Black Dragons all the way!

[@Sidragrosm]

Anybody that venerates Papa Smurf to THAT degree is ~CLEARLY~ defective..! (~cue exterminatus!~) If anything..? they sound like they're overcompensating; Couple that w/their clear fundamentalist ways..? and they clearly prove they are NOT an Ultra Marine off-shoot; Quite the reverse - they're probably descended from the Word Bearers... (otherwise, why hide their founding at all..?)

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Me a Black Templar would support the Black Dragon mutants in this one given the chance we shall join in crusade against the Marines Malevolent after.

[@TheDxDKID]

You’re all heretics

[@elenorefangirl3389]

*game show music opening* It's time to play, GUESS THAT HERITAGE!!

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

Roboute,... YOU ARE NOT THE PRIMARCH!

[@40KTheories]

_Maury music plays_

[@robertnelson9599]

This sounds like a skit for TTS.

[@thatstuffguy]

This needs to be a skit now!!!

[@Drew_Thompson]

Vulcan breakdancing in the background.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

As soon as you mentioned their zealous adherence to the Imperial Cult I figured they were descendants of the Word Bearers.

[@tarn1135]

Cuz, the black templars aren’t zealous?

[@tuckerkaup]

​@@tarn1135I kinda like the idea, there is an ironic humor to a word bearers successor basically worshiping Robute

[@zenlarrushiro3607]

They're basically a mix between Emperor's Children and Word Bearers

[@NetMoverSitan]

Not the best combination considering how far the latter fell.

[@dominicomegon4714]

Word Bearers are too preachy for The Red Scorpions. I think World Eaters because they always are up for a battle and actively search for war.

[@MyrdinAnnoth]

Could be a chimeric gene seed. Wouldnt be the first one so its possible.

[@NetMoverSitan]

@@dominicomegon4714 They should be moderately safer, as long as there's no Butcher's Nails.

[@HelghastTrooper]

@@dominicomegon4714 I dunno man, Red Scorpions are pretty much counted among the only chapters to subscribe to the Imperial worship of Emps as a god. Not even the Black Templars as a whole outright revere him as such, and they were founded by a religious zealot who personally viewed Emps as being a functional god against the railing of everyone around him (Sigismund), and have literally maintained a ten-millennia religious crusade in His name.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

They're like one of your friends that's deathly afraid of germs and viruses but an entire chapter of superhuman demigod soldiers.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

Where do I sign up?

[@jiado6893]

That’s why I think they’re descendants of Mortarian. The fact that they try to keep their heritage and Geneseed a secret is because they have something to be ashamed of (as opposed to the Blood Ravens, who really don’t know). Being hypochondriacs is them trying to distance themselves from their grandpa. True, Mortarian’s body was all messed up, but that might have been just from adapting to his disgusting home planet, not something wrong with his DNA.

[@johnfraire6931]

The ordo orthadontus?

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

@@jiado6893 It was undoubtedly due to his environment. The emperor made comments about it.

[@MrEvan312]

@@jiado6893 Is Death Guard toughness as seen with the Sons of Antaeus a natural, pre-corruption trait, or was it something that the 25th Founding scientists would've isolated and left in? I do like the idea that they spend every waking moment trying to prevent the corruption of their geneseed by the Grandfather.

[@shahizani923]

Hates Xenos but revere papa smurf? Oh the dilemma they would face when seeing papa smurf smashing yvraine

[@alfalegionnaire3451]

indeed

[@NeverLookBackOnce]

Oof, such a conflict of faith

[@lancepharker]

Brother, the revered primarch is wrestling with that xeno, naked? Brother, clearly his honour forced him to ensure no equipment tainted the results.

[@shahizani923]

@@lancepharker*xenophobic suspicion intensifies*

[@CAP198462]

Papa Smurf: I cast fist Yvraine: 😍

[@robertnelson9599]

Of course they are Emperor's Children successors. Who else could be so stuck up and perfectionist.

[@christophercombs7561]

They are a forge world chapter after all

[@Dude_Diligence]

Agreed. The fact that the knowledge of their origins is under lock & key, if not outright destroyed, plus their fanatical pursuit of perfection - lends well to the argument that they came from Fulgrim's stock. Their strict dogmatic beliefs seem to point towards Lorgar, but I wouldn't be surprised if their faith was actually a reflection of their vain pursuit of perfection - "our purity is divine."

[@ninocuric5290]

O I don't know could it be the fucking smurfs

[@ninocuric5290]

And Emperors Children have a geneseed flaw it's called "The blight"

[@robertnelson9599]

@@ninocuric5290 That is not a flaw, it was an outbreak which wiped out most of their gene-seed stores right when the Great Crusade was preparing to leave the Sol System.

[@SgtThiel]

maybe Bobby G spared their loyal word bearer asses and gave them a place in the 2nd founding, that's why they venerate him

[@elijahkelley7616]

lol Bobby G

[@theblancmange1265]

At first I thought that a gold poo emoji was in the toilet seed, in your pfp.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Loyalist Emperor's Children in my eyes

[@Snakedude4life]

I can see it.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

@@Snakedude4life I see you everywhere. Curious, why do you keep putting No step on Snek?

[@Snakedude4life]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

[@mercenarygundam1487]

@@Snakedude4life Ah now I get it

[@mikeburkett5417]

there, happy?

[@mikeburkett5417]

I think all of those Badab war participant chapters are probably among the most interesting every created in 40k, and I think its commonly overlooked what literary genius they represented: Forgeworld blurred the lines between loyalist and traitor for the first time by creating a series of chapters that resembled traitors, 1 of which we now KNOW the origins of, the Carcheradons (Space Sharks) which literally were Evil Raven Gaurd, exiled by order of Corax himself, and doomed to roam the stars under Arkahn Fal, the Original Legion Master, and were so terrifying, they blurred the lines between the Raven Guard or Night Lords. We also saw the appearance of Dishonorable Dark Angels, the Star Phantoms whom were believed exiled for their use of Forbidden Dark Age Weapon Technologies, and who lacked any of the Knightly Values of the order in their soldier rather than Knightly mindset. Then the Minotaurs appeared: either Evil Iron Hands, or Evil Imperial Fists, who blurred the lines between those two chapters, and the Iron Warriors, being virtually identical. Personally, I tend to think the numbers of similarities tend to favor the Imperial Fists hypothesis, since they seem to serve the High Lords of Terra, are believe to recruit from Terra, have a penchant for both Siege Craft AND close combat which was said to resemble the World Eaters: guess who practiced with the World Eaters, the Imperial Fist First Captain Sigismund, Mailed Fist of Terra. They push this to such a degree, its hard to see the difference between them and Imperial Fists most hated enemy, the Iron Warriors, that you can practically taste the irony. However, these arent likely the only Sons of Dorn represented should this be the case, guess who appears on the other side of the conflict... oh yeah, Evil Black Templars, a chapter known as the Executioners, founded by Sigismunds friendly rival, Fafnir Rahn.... And now we come to the Red Scorpions.... A chapter so "by the book" that these space Nazi's blur the lines between the Ultramarines and Emperors Children....making them virtually indistinguishable and making you wonder if the Ultramarines are not secretly chasing the perfection of Slannesh.....The Irony is over 9000 when "the good guys, the lamenters," lose to these Evil Loyalists....

[@ROTTERDXM]

Plz paragraphs next time.

[@mikeburkett5417]

@@ROTTERDXM there.... happy?

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

No, we don't know if the Carcheradons are descendents of Arkahn Fal, and whether or not you consider the pre-Corax raven guard to be evil is entirely a matter of opinion. The fact that the Carcheradons worship the God emperor leads me to believe that their creation was much later than that particular parting of ways. Besides, the idea of them potentially being loyalist nightlords instead of emo bird boys always seemed cooler to me, and while both chapters rely on stealth, I could see the nightlords falling into less subtle tactics much sooner.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

Minotaurs are Iron Warriors

[@simonbirch5726]

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 actually it’s been all but confirmed their gene seed is chimeric. Likely a mix of iron warriors and imperial fists

[@NemFX]

Death Guard. If you were from an army that fell to Nurgle, and you were trying to hide out in the Imperium, you'd pretend to be a boy scout and try to come off as pure as possible.

[@hamarbiljungskile8953]

Nah, that sounds way too rational for WH40K.

[@enovos3138]

That would be awesome tbh

[@xuttuh5260]

Hearing this, wouldn't it be cool to have a chapter that suffers from severe mutation of their gene-seed, only one step away from being purged by the Inquisition, while at the same time most fanatically following the imperial creed to redeem themselves in the eyes of the emperor, throwing themselves into the most desolate fights? Like Blood Angels, but even more on the brink of chaos.

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

Sounds like the Soul Drinkers or the Fire Hawks.

[@TherealSBlair]

"We've fought heretics for years" "YOU ARE UNCLEAN"

[@jackwong4198]

"WITH THE BLOODSTAIN ON YOUR ARMOR,BROTHER! DO YOU EVER CLEAN YOUR HOLY INSTRUMENTS,YOUR ARMOR AND BOLTERS,BROTHER!"

[@jackwong4198]

Space wolves be like :"WAT?"in fenrish

[@shahizani923]

@@jackwong4198 wat do ya want ya milksop

[@shahizani923]

The horror

[@jackwong4198]

@@shahizani923 something that can shatter their mind without involving warp fuckeries

[@NetMoverSitan]

Ah, they were involved in the Siege of Vraks...so they're more Ultrasmurfs than the Ultrasmurfs? | 1:10 - (monotone) All hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf. | 1:43 - They're also needed. | 4:44 - Their gene-seed results in increased aggression (but not to the extent of other legions) along with a tendency towards cohesion and the adoption of hierarchy, alongside an almost pathological dedication to achieving an objective. | 6:31 - They're too dedicated to THAT holy text to be the sons of 40K Bane. | 9:08 - The sons of Pretty Boy? Well, they were corrupted without knowing about it, so it's not the gene-seed side of it that's the problem. | 11:55 - Blame Lorgar! They'd be loyal...until they discover Lorgar's writings and then they'd eventually found more of their Brothers and...you can guess how that'd end.

[@northernexile]

Stuck up? Perfectionist? Obsessed with purity? I honestly think GW designed this Forge World showcase chapter to take a subtle dig at the attitudes of many with entirely Forge World armies xD

[@SkallKiller]

I choose to believe they're Word Bearers. The need for perfect genetic purity can just as easily stem from their faith.

[@karl-erikvik3400]

*Literally chooses to die rather than allying with xenos* "Near fanatic" These lads are one of my favorite chapters though, really glad you talked about them. Great video as always, cheers.

[@amandahugenkiss2310]

@@karl-erikvik3400 you mean “Literally chooses to die rather than allying with slightly mutated loyal humans”

[@cp1cupcake]

Considering how many Horus Heresy blackshields ended up with the Ultramarines, then I wonder how their geneseed is so pure. Is geneseed from the traitor legions purer?

[@andrewclarke7513]

I would guess that they had there geneseed swapped out for Ultramarine geneseed. That what happened to the original Grey Knights, no reason that they couldn't do the same with the Blackshields

[@moondude8723]

@@andrewclarke7513 wait what. the grey knights are... ultramarines?

[@andrewclarke7513]

No, they have geneseed direct from the Emperor, but the original members where part of other legions, they had there geneseed removed and the new one put back

[@moondude8723]

@@andrewclarke7513 The Emperor's... Gene seed?

[@andrewclarke7513]

Yes the reason that they are so incorruptible is due in part to just how harsh their selection process is coupled with the fact that the geneseed of the grey knights come directly from the emperor. In the book Pandorax it states that Epimetheus, one of the original Grand Masters of the Grey Knights, had his progeniod glands removed and the geneseed of the emperor replaced it, as he had been a Dark Angel before being recruited by Malcador

[@dstubby82]

Person with crooked teeth: exists Red scorpion: Purge the mutant!

[@internetzenmaster8952]

So.. they're going to purge all of Britain then?

[@amandahugenkiss2310]

Left-handed person: *exists* Red scorpions: PURGE

[@hydradominatus3641]

Emperor's Children. Their Noble nature, perfection of gene seed and efficent style of warfare says it all.

[@Kodaemon]

Very surprised at the lack of mention of the theory that they are the second legion.

[@Aaron-is8yt]

Would it be possible for you to explain? I'd appreciate it

[@Kodaemon]

@@Aaron-is8yt One of the things people usually bring up is that Red Scorpions-painted vehicles on Forge World's site tend to have a big fat roman numeral II painted on them, for example the Deimos Pattern Predator or the Land Raider Armoured Proteus, in the same way that their Horus Heresy models usually have their legion's number on them. It also meshes with their records being expunged and their fanaticism might be an attempt to specifically erase some huge past no-no on their part.

[@Aaron-is8yt]

@@Kodaemon very interesting, thanks for sharing brother!

[@mattaffenit9898]

@@Kodaemon Yes, but we know they aren't. GW doesn't have the brass balls to outright state their fates.

[@goldenrodprime226]

@@Kodaemon while that is a possibility it could also just be company markings.

[@PCveteran117]

Wonder how they reacted to their new Primaris brothers.

[@mouseketeery]

Well, as the Primaris' creation was a continuing of the Emperor's project and ordered by Guilliman, who they revere along with all his works, they'd probably be okay with it. Maybe even enthusiastic - keen to get the new organs stuffed in for themselves.

[@MrGrim]

Probably just like every other zealot in this universe. different kinda= ABOMINATION

[@phreakazoith2237]

Big E cannot be wrong can he?

[@HelghastTrooper]

The Red Scorpions basically worship the ground Guilliman walked on to a similar degree to that of the Emperor himself, more so than even the Ultramarines of all possible chapters, so him adding the Primaris to the Imperial roster so soon after reviving would be an honor the Red Scorpions would most likely happy to accept -- so long as they make sure their conceptions of purity match that of their new brothers.

[@adt501]

The religious zealotry does sound like they are Lorgars boys. Wouldnt Guilliman like to find that out

[@bloodangel19]

Guilliman isn't the vengeful type(yes ik he calls himself the Avenging Son) he would keep an eye on them but i doubt he would take them out

[@JohnBrowningsGhost]

They sound like codex compliant Black Templars.

[@MrEvan312]

They are differentiated by a few traits: Imperial Fists stocks lack two functional organs: the Betcher's gland (acid spit) and Sus-an Membrane (hibernation). Also Imperial Fists are obsessed with pain and overcoming it, not so much maintaining (absurd levels) purity of faith and form. As such, the Scorpions would probably revile the Templars. They do, however, share in sheer stubbornness and loyalty to the Imperium and Emperor. I always wondered why the Templars take their faith so far compared to other Fists chapters. Sadly they come too early to be of the "cursed" founding, when they tinkered with a bunch of mutated gene seed and had to destroy the majority of the created material and marines.

[@paulellington1505]

People like to overlook the fact that Fulgrim let Fabius Bile modify some of the Legion's gene seed as a way of making the new recruits as perfect as veterans as well as other very heretical experiments that he conducted on the gene seed and the aspirants as well.

[@SpectralArrow]

I think it would be ultimate irony for them to be word bearers : They follow lorgar's religion to this day, they are loyalists, they look up to guilliman, they may even know they're descended from word bearers, which makes reveering the codex and guilliman even more crazy. Honestly I think you'd be hard pressed to find a story thread to make them more interesting, would totally LOVE a book from the perspective of red scorpion commanders trying to make sense of the fact that not only is guilliman walking around again, he brought a delegation of xenos with him to drop off primaris reinforcements. " Are they untainted because the holiest of primarchs brought them? Or are they just oversized xenos loving parodies of us? "

[@carltonbcf2509]

Perfect videos to watch before I go to sleep thanks.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Man, I hate those Land Raiders like the one 13:39 that have their guns behind the side exit doors. It has to be the single worst design in the Imperium

[@Ranmus]

Their Primarch still walks among them. You can't kill the Messiah, after all. Peace Through Power.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

THE EMPEROR LIVES IN DEATH

[@lordshadow3822]

He's not the messiah... he's a really naughty boy

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

In the Name of Papa smurf

[@notknightbean]

Yeah These guys will love to meet the space wolves.

[@jackwong4198]

White scars as well.

[@Spacefrisian]

@@jackwong4198 Or Salamanders or Ravenguard or Blood Angels

[@NeverLookBackOnce]

@@jackwong4198 Black Dragons, Dorn's Hammers, Black Templars

[@amandahugenkiss2310]

Space wolves are their worst nightmare. Mutant, not codex compliant at all, and proud of it.

[@lordshadow3822]

Red scorpions and battle sisters would love to work with each other. Normally battle sisters are not allowed to work with anyone else XD

[@lysander3262]

Red Scorpions: "We will only work with the purest of pure" 6th Ed Sevrin Loth: "You can hire me and ten of my buddies for the low, low price of a couple hundred points! Come one, come all!"

[@dominicomegon4714]

Red Scorpions are Emperor's Children/World Eaters Hybrid

[@funnycreature2331]

>not trusted by their allies. >Nearly unanimously had their chapter master(s) made magister militant war master of the coalition forces of the badab war.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Here are one crazy theory that the Red Scorpions are actually a Iron Hands successors chapter. Their doctrine of purity of their gene-seeds is similar to that of the Iron Hands view of the Flesh. Though as a successor chapter they replace the flesh to genetic mutations.

[@hughgedney3393]

A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.

[@Jon_the_Wizard]

I like the idea they are wayward Emperor's Children who were rolled into the Ultramarines and later split off to form their own chapter.

[@elijahkelley7616]

Their scheme even reminds me a bit of the pre-Heresy Word Bearers

[@sheepman2244]

100% somehow Emperors Children gene seed

[@sheepman2244]

Made that comment at the start of the Vid! 100% ECs! Here me out… first founding chapter… chapter master Saul Tarvitz! So secretive because if Fulgrim found out he’d go mental… hopefully Fabius doesn’t do any deals with trazyn haha

[@ryanhallewell]

I feel the word bearers more possible idea than emperor's children. They not 100% perfectionist and don't hold there looks like the children did. With word bearers I see it's better cause of them thinking the emporor is a good.

[@johnnyscifi]

Whats funny is...Astartes technically are no longer "human" sounds like the red scorpions missed that memo...

[@requited2568]

They are the Final Human. The Emperor made them the ultimate humans. Most Astartes used to believe this before they became corrupted.

[@Aaron-is8yt]

You are both correct!

[@Tacoguy1000]

@@requited2568 The final human? Then what are the Custodes? Those dudes go for 10k years before the first lapse begins in their reaction. I'll give your the primarchs since they are apparently partially made of warp stuff, but, I would think the Custodes are a grade higher still.

[@remusvespasian3196]

That moment when you actually take a step back and realize that just under the surface, there are upwards of a dozen Emperor Children Sucessors lol I'll post a list if you wish but they are definitely the most numerous traitor geneseed being used.

[@brandonhughes4571]

I want the list please

[@mrman9977]

Please post

[@Gormathius]

No idea where they came from but I know where they'll end. On a proverbial cliff's edge refusing the outstretched hand of an ally with a slightly odd looking nose.

[@The_Keeper]

With so many Chapters with hidden/unknown origins, I wouldn't be surprised if someone is mixing gene-seeds to create new variants....

[@___Snake___]

The Keeper I’ve often thought of this too.......Red Scorpions seemed to have suddenly come into existence 5000 years ago, seem to be a fusion of Ultramarine and Emperors Children.

[@sonofjack6286]

With the Word Bearers point, I've got an idea for their origins. As the Horus Heresy began, a bunch of Colchisians and others from the world's the Word Bearers conquered pre-Monarchia remained loyal to the Imperial Cult and resisted the teachings of Chaos, as a result, they fled their homes or were found by Loyalists to be resisting the Traitors. After the Heresy, the children of these loyal souls would be inducted into the newly created Adeptus Astartes, but with Word Bearers geneseed, either due to a clerical mix-up or the recipient's leaders demanding it, or even one of the primarchs hoping for the irony of the Word Bearers getting beaten by a Loyalist force with their own geneseed, as a result, the Red Scorpions would become a chapter with traitor geneseed, alongside the myriad of other chapters that were started by Loyalist survivors from the Traitor Legions, like the Carcharodons and Death Eagles.

[@dothackoblivion]

It’s been pretty much said that they’re the successors to the 3rd by way of a warp-stranded crusade era ship. They emerged around 34m and were covered up very fast, appearing a millennia later as the red scorpions complete with ranks and practices of their parent legion largely intact.

[@brandonhughes4571]

Proof of this?

[@viewernewest]

I wonder what they think of the primaris marines?

[@colinmasterson666]

Red Scorpion: “Altered Gene Seed… Unclean Heathen Spawn!!” Entire chapter pulls out all the Heavy Flamers they have. Primaris Red Scorpion reinforcements: “Wat!?”

[@Leptospirosi]

The Emperor Childrens according to Fabius Bile have developed a flaw that is damaging their ability to sleep bringing them to being disturbed and becoming somehow disturbed personalities even before they fully fell.

[@jackdaalfbrainork6392]

Am sure they get along greatly with the black templars 😃

[@pitmatix1457]

Another thing that strengthens the theory they are Emperor's Children successors is the fact they use Commander and Lord Commander as rank designations, the same as Fulgrim's boys.

[@gabrieldeoliveira8304]

I admire their steadfast loyalty and devotion to the Codex, but this is just over doing it

[@ryancrazyrhino8976]

I know this'll sound lame but I hope they are Ultramarine successors, it makes sense to me. It would be a interesting conflict having G-man deal with a group of his sons viewing his book as a religious scripture

[@Willathy_]

Yo when did they make a successor chapter of the black Templar’s

[@magnum32b]

It seems like most legions had pretty clean gene seeds, regardless if their primarch's turned to Chaos. I think a plethora of modern chapters with "unknown" origins are from the handful of loyalist marines that weren't apart of their parent legion's betrayal. The Blood Ravens have an unusually large amount of psychers, so there's reason to believe they might be from the Thousand sons. Then, to wipe away the dishonor of their parent legions, the Blood Raven's founders took on a new chapter name and erased the known history from imperial records. I'd assume the Red Scorpions are the same. Hmmmmm they gotta be one of the only chapters to venerate the emperor as a god. My bet is they might be from the World Bearers gene stock? Even though I think the WHOLE legion fell to chaos, their gene stock would still be controled from terra or mars.

[@troabarton69]

Isn't it possible that they're from Iron Warrior stock because of their skill in siege warfare? One or two of the loyalist Iron Warriors did receive shelter from the Ultramarines during the Heresy.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

I will admit tho, "genetic purity" is one of the main themes in the warhammer 40k franchise where people are being encouraged to be transhuman, genetic modification, natural/unnatural mutation, and even evolution. So having a space marine chapter that is obsessed with genetic purity is very "fitting" for the warhammer 40k lore.

[@si1verg3cko]

I was actually surprised that the Imperial Fists was not considered as a possibility. I think the reverence for Guilliman as well as the general stability of the gene seed are very valid points. The Imperial Fists however aside from missing two of their gene seeds (don't know if it is documented one way or another if the Red Scorpions) are also considered to be stable and the Black Templars which are descended from the Imperial Fists have a similar temperament to what is mentioned in this video.

[@40KTheories]

Considering the Red Scorpions is abnormally pure, Imperial Fists wouldn't really be likely because they are missing two of their organs from their gene-seed stocks. While Fists gene-seed is stable, it's not regarded as being pure for this reason.

[@si1verg3cko]

@@40KTheories Fair points.

[@Beneficiis]

Personally - I think it goes like this: They are made from lost legion stock. It plays somewhat with second theory that lost legions were absorbed by Ultramarines, thier records purged. So they see old papa smurf as thier father, but records were purged just in case somebody would try to pry into this topic too deep - as it could harm the coverup of fate of lost legions. So they were established from Ultramarines, but they are not in fact Ultramarines. Maybe somebody had bright idea of forming separate chapters out of geneseed of lost legions that were still in service with Ultramarines. To separate these still loyal marines, thier geneseed now proven not to be faulty, to both give them a chance to work without Ultramarines oversight and spearate Ultramarine geneseed to avoid mixing in lost legions within successor chapters founded from Ultramarines.

[@dagl8]

The Dark Angels landed on Vraks, then later the Red Scorpions landed there, although the Dark Angels were gone at this point. Still, mighty big coincidence, especially for the Red Scorpions to show up.

[@calebolds9609]

Havent watched yet but if they're famed for their genetic purity then I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess that they descend from the Ultramarines

[@mattaffenit9898]

Paranoid? Dark Angels successors. Gotta be.

[@Momao92]

I can tell they are from Lorgar's stock.... dont know why tho..

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

Their obsession with purity reminds me of the Emperor's Children and their perfectionism.

[@ralphthefanboy]

"You... Are not the progenitor!!!"

[@kgbcommitteeforstatesecuri3315]

They would love to work with black templars

[@Blackivar]

Wonder what Guilliman and his Primaris plus the Custodian Guard would think 🤔

[@karnoctis1991]

i vote Iron Hands.

[@walterwilliams1404]

Beleaguered Space Marine: "We are pinned down by unknown Xenos. Casualties are high and we are heavily vastly out numbered." Commander: "Hold your position. The Red Scorpions have responded and are sending reinforcement." Beleaguered Space Marine: "...do you have anyone else? Anyone at all? There is absolutely no one else? Not even some spare Guardsmen?" Commander: "What? No. Why do you ask? The Red Scorpions are only an hour--" Beleaguered Space Marine: "You know what, nevermind. We're good."

[@Uncl3Paul]

If they were Ultra Dark Angels or Imperial Fist there would be no problem with their origins. These could be marines from the lost primarchs.

[@ryancrazyrhino8976]

This is coming from someone who likes the traitor Gene seed theories but I think just for the Crimson Arachnids they might me the Smurfs equivalent to the Black Templars, maybe things don't have to be so complicated

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

I smell the taint of Lorgar

[@jasonsantos3037]

The red scorpions are Daddy's lorgar signs Sun yeah definitely word bearers

[@thomascruise4966]

Question... why, whenever a Chapter is of questionable heritage and possibly of either Ultramarine or Traitor stock, does nobody think at all of the Luna Wolves? Weren't they, in effect, the loyalist "mirror Legion" of the Ultramarines? Is it not just as reasonable for them to be of Luna Wolf stock as Emperor's Children or Word Bearers?

[@mrman9977]

The Luna Wolves aren't seen as a loyalist legion. They are loyalists from a traitor legion like the rest. The problem with identifying a possible candidate to be a Luna Wolves successor is that they don't really have any major unique trait. Emperor's Children are perfectonists to he highest degree while the World eaters are religious zellots, just like these guys are. There is never any chapter that is speculated to be Decendents of Horus because there is not any chapter that points to them.

[@kenju2268]

Wait, they are fanatic over the Codex and Cult, but have no problem just, *modifying* something without consulting the Tech Priests? Isn't that heresy?

[@paib6267]

Sound like Krieg in the upgrade version.

[@ninocuric5290]

And Inquisition wouldn't know if they are from traitor geneseed and wouldn't purge them , yeah as if

[@Corrosion15]

I think it whould be ironic if they turned out to be Death gaurd as Red scorpions are a bit tyrannical in there ways. But i think it whould be so cool if they were Iorn warriors, World eaters, or emperors children (turning the emperors children's love of perfection to there gean seed and humanity.

[@37robinb]

I wonder where they name came from...hmmmmm

[@tanksinatra3968]

I think they come from the primarch Voltaire

[@alexandrafranklin3963]

if they worship the codex why don't they follow the heraldry?

[@CyrodiilCome]

The new psychic awakening book has the lamenters mentioned collecting possible genestealer cult prisoners from the imperium. Any ideas why?

[@alanmerino9440]

Which book?

[@NeverLookBackOnce]

Hopefully for purging

[@jamesgarratt9334]

As a Lamenter player on tabletop and fan of the chapter this is confusing.

[@CyrodiilCome]

@@alanmerino9440 ritual of the damned

[@CyrodiilCome]

@@jamesgarratt9334 yeah, didn't they fight some hive fleet to the death?

[@G_Signer]

all artwork shows them with yellow shoulder trim so thats not a codex compliant feature so why talking about how they are strict when the images say otherwise

[@mohammedimran3670]

Got a unrelated question to the video do the blood Angels chapter believe in the emperor as a god? I can't find a definite answer to this question. Any help would greatly appreciate.

[@rafaelkoch7526]

No Space Marine chapters worship The Emperor as a god, at least none I'm aware off. They see him as a superhuman ideal but reject the Cult around him. The Inquision let it go because the don't want beef with The Adeptus Astartes. Spare marine legions were arond before the Imperial cult became the Imperiums official relgion.

[@40KTheories]

Some Space Marine chapters do worship the Emperor as a God (Black Templars and Red Scorpions are two such examples) As far as the Blood Angels are concerned, the natives of Baal itself worship the Emperor as a God, although the chapter itself would appear to revere him more as a father figure as opposed to a deity (from what I can recall off the top of my head at least)

[@mohammedimran3670]

@@40KTheories rafen in deus encarmine refers to the emperor as the God emperor when talking to a fellow blood angel Marine.

[@40KTheories]

Ah, In which case that would be evidence towards the chapter following a version of the Cult Imperialis :) Apologies, I'm still half asleep lol

[@rafaelkoch7526]

@@mohammedimran3670 40k fluff can often contradict itself but I have only just got back into the hobby. so need to catch up on it.

[@ninocuric5290]

And Word Bearers no fucking way if they know they are Lorgars that's it chaos here we come

[@nicolaspaglione]

Does the emperor have extra organs like an astartes

[@drewgartside2934]

not known but Guillimen stated he was just a man and the growth of extra organs usually happens during childhood or while very young, this is not to say its not possible but he is 35,000 to 41,000 years old his powers are mainly psychic. biomancy is a form of psychic power that allows the user more control in augmenting their bodies,this has been known to have permanent effects and as the ep is the most powerful psychic its very possible. hope this helped!

[@nicolaspaglione]

Drew gartside ok nice

[@thatsnotafact7840]

Nope, he’s really just a normal human IIRC. Just an extremely psychically potent one (and a perpetual).

[@derrabbit7289]

My vote is loyalists Word Bearers

[@Rikksmith]

The very idea of following the codex Astartes and worshipping him as a god, is.. Heresy! No true son of the lion would call him a god

[@Ulfhednir9]

Lorgar seems most likely. They believe the same things he did. Or guilliman

[@ninocuric5290]

Smurfs trying to be Black Templars :p

[@jaqdraco]

They hate mutants... Except navigators...why... Because it would make them pretty much useless in 40k if they couldn't get anywhere

[@alexandercollazo5362]

is this an updated video

[@40KTheories]

As stated in the description. :)

[@alexandercollazo5362]

oh my mistake

[@pervyturtle2673]

I bet Guilliman isnt a fan

[@shawcobra]

Dose anyone know the artist of the thumbnail image? can't find it anywhere.

[@40KTheories]

It's official art from the cover image for Imperial Armour 9

[@shawcobra]

@@40KTheories I actually had no idea it was official art, i thought it was fan art from a really talented person, thanks for the reply anyways.

[@ConnorMagillArt]

@@shawcobra its by Karl Kopinski

[@40KTheories]

(Thank you Connor. :) )

[@tenajnin]

Gotta love all these post heresy legions (namely the Black Templars & Red Scorpions) thinking of the Emperor as a god. So the Word Bearers we’re right after all 😂

[@LobitoMalito]

Human #1 down with the xenos

[@joevines3428]

1:24 unlike every other chapter 🙄

[@PortbyhanMan]

I knew it...they're Blueberry Muffins. I hate them already!

[@riclyd1978]

The Red Scorpions derives from the word bearers. The Exorcists from the emperors children. And the Carcarodons from the night lords, led by Curse himself to redeem himself

[@creaturetransylvania8943]

Cool,

[@Halfort57]

After learning about the proto primarch, and why he sealed away. I now realise that there's a very good chance this chapter descends from his geneseed