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The girls, Hayley and Stella, are reacting to the Terminator 4: Salvation. THis movie is following the future war as John Connor and his group of rebels fight for survival against the machines! Watch this new approach to the terminator franchise starring Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Moon Bloodgood, Bryce Dallas Howard, and Anton Yelchin! Enjoy this first time watching terminator 4: salvation reaction to sci-fi movies!
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[@FestArc]

Stan Winston was one of the best in practical effects and makeup. He created the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park, he designed and built the Predator, and He designed and built the Terminator. He did the effects for Aliens and created the full-size Alien Queen. And that's just the highlights. He did so much for creature effects in films. Even directed his own film Pumpkin Head.

[@jimmyzee7040]

Could not have written this better myself, good job , exactly who Stan Winston was.

[@krono5el]

Beyond Legendary studio and Man, rip legends never die.

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

*Don't forget Gargoyles (1972).*

[@antoniochasten3192]

@@hulkhatepunybanner Yep. I remember seeing that on TV when I was like 8 or 9 in the late seventies. Freaked me the hell out but I loved it. I bought it on DVD years ago. Wish they'd print a Blu ray version.

[@krono5el]

@@user-le6ex5rc1s idk i feel kids still mess with Jurassic Park, its timeless.

[@Ryan_Christopher]

The heated T-800 trying to grab Connor's face when they fought, explains the scars on his face when we saw him in the battlefield flashbacks in Terminator 2.

[@ChrisReise]

I love the irony of the end. The fact that Skynet resurrected Marcus only to have him turn around and donate his heart to John Connor...indirectly, Skynet saved Connor.

[@Eternal82Soul]

Well, if you think about it, indirectly, Skynet is the reason for John Connor's existence in the first place. If they hadn't sent a Terminator back in time, no one would have sent Kyle Reese back in time, either.

[@redmoonbloodmoon3161]

@@Eternal82Soul fate (Berserk's "causality") can't be changed, not by humans, nor by machines, everything that happens, is meant to happen, as it already had happened...

[@Milner62]

​@@Eternal82Soul , At the end of the day it is all a giant paradox, There is the possibility that John had a different father and Kyle changed the future when that happened but it doesnt explain why John gave his mothers photo to Kyle if he had no prior knowledge let alone the photo of his mother was taken after being impreganted by kyle while thinking about kyle. Its just not supposed to really be thought about as the first film is just a self fulfilling prophecy that doesnt stand up to further installments.

[@michaelccozens]

@@Eternal82Soul And if Connor hadn't sent Reese back, he and Sarah would never have destroyed the Terminator whose remains became the basis of Skynet. The whole thing's a paradox. Nice bit of writing!

[@Radb707]

@@Milner62 Yeah but also, according to James Cameron, its possible in the original timeline Skynet wiped out humanity out of fear and regretted its decision, thus creating the paradox of John Connor and Skynet, knowing that John is always fated to win.

[@monolithsoft_guy]

"She only met him today, it's ridiculous" - Usually I'd agree, but this literally is an apocalyptic hell hole of a world. I can see how in this environment, you build up trust to other people either quickly or never.

[@jacobsmith8377]

When life and death is on the line at least a few minutes every day, hell yah

[@PopQuizHotShot23]

"In loving memory of Stan Winston" you should definitely look him up, one of the legends of practical effects. He worked on the first few Terminator films, Aliens, Jurassic Park. He's also uncredited on a few movies like The Thing and Predator where he came up with some ideas for creature related things

[@wren7195]

The first Pumpkinhead is a horror and practical effects classic IMO.

[@santiagorodriguez9849]

As someone who goes camping often... It wasn't ridiculous that they sat so far from the campfire, because if you watch the scene again, the campfire was very big so it emits much more heat when you get closer. The place where they were sitting was the right one and she still felt cold because her clothes were still wet.

[@markcarpenter6020]

Also robots would hunt by looking for heat so you wouldn't want to be near a heat source. Though to be honest this movie gets so much wrong. Marcus would have never got the jeep running. Gas would go bad in a couple months and after year the tires and every gasket in the thing would have dry rotted, the oil would have turned to sludge, etc. The jeep would have to be pretty much completely rebuilt to work. The resistance wouldn't have an air force, as soon as satellites picked up an air strip it would be bombed if not nuked not counting lack of fuel and parts to keep planes in the air. And the sub wouldn't exist either. Yes a nuke reactor runs for years but subs still need to be supplied with food and water, parts to repair it and if they don't understand go extension maintenance every year they lose their stealth capabilities.

[@sumelar]

@@markcarpenter6020 That's just hollywood. Cars always work in the apocalypse. Can't really blame this movie for any of it. And we have no idea how many satellites skynet has control of. Not to mention airfields are easy to camouflage. We do it now. Plus it's been a major part of the story from the beginning that judgment day only killed about half the population, so while the term resistance makes it sound like a small group, there's still quite a lot of people out there. Skynet doesn't control all of earth. Nuclear subs make their own fresh water. Spare parts are important, but you can keep machines running for a long time without a steady supply. Nuclear subs aren't even stealth capable because you can't shut the coolant pumps off. Only diesel/electric subs are truly stealthy.

[@markcarpenter6020]

@@sumelar half the pop survived judgement day.....but how many survived when the water and food stopped. After they no longer had access to health care... medication or antibiotics. Radiation poisoning. Depression and suicide in the aftermath, how many women died in childbirth etc. Ohh and let's not forget a decade of an artificial intelligence trying to kill them.

[@cptbabyface9804]

@@markcarpenter6020 I just sold a jeep to someone that had been sitting for 3 years and all it needed was a jump. It's not unreasonable to think that they could at least get it running but not drive it for very long.

[@mrb2349]

@@sumelar everybody doing it wrong doesn't make it right. And Skynet would infiltrate every satellite, communications network, and data center there is, not to mention that it would establish many more all around the globe. It knows the locations of every single airport and runway built before the war, as well as every stretch of road and land suitable to use as an airplane runway. And it would actively keep tabs on all these points as well as all potential zones, and you can't stealth build and keep an airbase. And water is not the only consumable on a nuclear sub, plus military equipment, while being sturdy and redundant, needs to be actively and constantly maintained and repaired through its entire service life.

[@skell_chr26]

I love how the music Connor uses to lure in the moto-terminator is actually the same one he listens to at the beginning of Terminator 2, Gun n' Roses - You Could Be Mine

[@davidsumner7604]

After seeing Terminator:Genisys and Dark Fate, I definitely have a greater appreciation for this movie.

[@antoniochasten3192]

LOL. Most people do. I always liked and enjoyed this film when I first saw it in theaters. I was surprised at how many people actually didn't like this film. But like you, so many have come around on it after Genisys and Dark Fate.

[@wren7195]

@@antoniochasten3192 The whole thing with the damn trailer spoiling the reveal of Marcus had pissed a LOT of people off... I was honestly a bit impressed that the girls picked up on that immediately. When I first watched it I was just... confused, I didn't immediately expect them to make him into a terminator, I thought he'd been in like a cold storage research facility or the like.

[@eduardonava6546]

Agree

[@zamhobby9662]

To me the opening battle scene until older Kyle Reese is send back in time, is good enough for me to complete the whole circle of Terminator time loop. I just abandon the whole movie after that....

[@davidsumner7604]

@@zamhobby9662 I actually like Jai Courteny as an actor in a lot of stuff but he was woefully miscast as Reese. Anton Yelchin would have been a better choice. An even better choice would have been an unknown who could really fit the part.

[@mr.vesper5659]

I don't care what anyone says, this movie is damn good. It finally showed us the war, or at least the early stages of it. Imagine if they continued

[@babalonkie]

Spot on. This movie depicts the time after the attack and before the full rebellion. I just wished they continued. However, if you have a game console or PC, "Terminator: Resistance" is a good interpretation of the future war.

[@lonelyboy1977]

LOL!!! This cinematic abortion is garbage from beginning to end, as is to be expected of bad fan fiction directed by a nobody who insists on calling himself McG. 🙄

[@EdanSolViamar]

I guess we'll never know

[@markcarpenter6020]

And got every detail of that war wrong. There would be no Air force. As soon as a satellite detected an air strip it would have been bombed into the stone age. Not counting the fuel and parts to keep a plane in the air( planes need lots of fuel and maintenance) and a sub with no way to resupply it nor conduct the extensive maintenance in dry dock they need to keep its stealth profile...I could go on an on about how unrealistic the resistance is in this movie. Remember this is years after the war started. Things like subs would have been an out after 2 or 3 years and planes and helicopters (if they still had any) would have been a rare and valuable resource by this point in time.

[@LordLOC]

It's the same with T3 (and to a lesser extent Genisys) for me. Tons of fun action set pieces (and T3 and Genisys really swung for the fences with action imo) and overall a decent enough action romp. But just a decent Terminator movie, though for most people a poor Terminator movie I suppose. I always recommend people watch ALL the movies though.

[@ieyke]

"In loving memory of Stan Winston" Stan Winston was one of the ABSOLUTE LEGENDS of special effects/ props/ creature designs/ costuming/ prosthetics/ etc. He created the Terminators for the first 4 Terminstor movies, the Alien/Aliens aliens, the Jurassic Park dinosaurs for the first 4 JP movies, the Predator for the first 2 Predator movies, Edward Scissorhands, Iron Man, The Thing, Mr. Roboto (for the music video), The Penguin in Batman Returns, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Avatar.... Stan Winston was a LEGEND. He was the John Williams of creating monsters. Him and Phil Tippett are basically the greatest in that art that have ever lived.

[@Xenosaurian]

I totally LOVE this movie!!! This was the first Terminator movie I watched in theatres and it was so epic, the music, the story, the action, the effects, the callbacks, I got goose bumps all over my body throughout the entire film, it was such an awesome experience and I do not get the hate this film gets! Oh if only they had continued this new trilogy...

[@akstyles]

Imagine watching T2 in theatres

[@Xenosaurian]

@@akstyles I bet that was cool too, I reckon seeing all the movies in theatres was fun, but having grown up with my dad showing me the original trilogy and then going into Salvation in theatres, that was an unforgettable experience!

[@GummiAnd]

Personally I like this movie very much and it doesn't contradict anything from the movies that came before it. Kyle was still freed from a prison camp like he said in the first movie, and John got the scar on his face that we saw in the second movie. What I like the most is seeing the gritty "early years" of the war before Skynet becomes hyper advanced and invent crazy things like time machines and plasma rifles. As for how Skynet learned about Kyle, I suspect it was through the Terminator from T3. It came into direct contact with Skynet before it was destroyed and it might have learned personal stuff about John when it took over Arnold's Terminator. Either that, or perhaps it's possible that Kyle was mentioned in Sarah's medical records from when she was in the mental facility. If so, Skynet might have hacked it's way into those files.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

RIP Anton Yelchin

[@nicemarmote42]

At least a few times a year I'll remember what happened to him, what a tragedy

[@blessanabey8386]

@@nicemarmote42 what happened?

[@nicemarmote42]

He got run over by his own car, I think the break failed and it rolled down a driveway. Just a completely random awful thing

[@slimjimnyc270]

Anton Yelchin died in a freak accident. His driveway is on a steep incline and his car rolled down it and pinned him when he went to check his mail. :-(

[@JohnSmith-jn7nc]

What a sad unfortunate death. Anton was so unlucky

[@daveb947]

One thing i liked was that they included some Terminator comic books lore like the Terminator/human hybrid.

[@albertmartinez2539]

Like Dudley

[@christophersims7060]

Did you follow all the Terminator comics? Dark Horse, Now comics had 2 cool mini-series plus there 17. I think it was 17 comics. Most people don't wven know they exist.

[@daveb947]

@albertmartinez2539 he was the police officer right? Think that comic arc was called "Enemy Within"? I just remember a female Terminator cop karate chopping someone's neck. lol.

[@daveb947]

@@christophersims7060 I did follow until about the T2 comics.

[@blackoutnow]

The story in the Terminator movies is told in different timelines: A) T1, T2, T3, Salvation B) Genisys C) T1, T2, Dark Fate

[@tanelviil9149]

Where is the Terminator 2 reaction from them?

[@michaelnemo7629]

You better watch THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES!!!!!

[@fanngurl164]

😍🥰

[@EChacon]

That’s only if they do it and it all depends on their TV series schedule, the most recent TV series reactions the girls (Hailey and Stella) reacted were _Wednesday_ and _The Last of Us_

[@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968]

A great show!

[@cthulhuspawn6290]

I think one of the biggest problems with the movie was that the trailer spoiled Marcus being a terminator. I personally loved this one.

[@richetoku]

Terminator 2 did the same thing and Terminator Genesys continued the tradition of spoiling the twist in the trailer.

[@cthulhuspawn6290]

@@richetoku oh yeah, i forgot i heard about the terminator 2 trailer spoiling things.

[@cincin0722]

Most underrated Terminator😎

[@abrahamdiaz3648]

This one and T3

[@DanGamingFan2406]

This movie was filmed and released while Arnold was still the Governor of California which explains his absence. But still, it's just not a _Terminator_ movie without him.

[@watershipup7101]

Very much agreed.

[@LudusAurea]

And the cg ew

[@Pochitaman30]

​@@LudusAureahave you seen terminator 3? The cgi in that one is way more terrible than this especially the cemetery fight. That one was straight up horrible

[@razorfett147]

Precisely the attitude that killed all hopes of a future war series and saddled us with Genisys and Dark Fate...and the franchise is all the worse for it Arnold's presence served the narrative in the beginning, but by T3 the studio wanted the story to serve Arnold's. They tried to change the paradigm with Salvation...but fans like yourself made sure that path died. It was the wrong call

[@flyjunior15]

Arnold it's not synonyms of Terminator. Period.

[@MiqelDotCom]

Stella: "It's like a terminator worm" ... I can't believe she didn't say WORMINATOR!

[@locustkllr]

This movie was pretty crazy energy in the theatre, that helicopter crash kicks you right in the gut, and the sound design, like when that giant robot attacks the gas station, just shakes your bones.

[@andreamagana4757]

This is my favorite Terminator movie. I really like T1 and T2, they’re absolute classics, but I really liked what they did with this one. Marcus was a solid addition to the franchise.

[@LudusAurea]

Stan Winston was the visual fx man . Absolute legend in the industry.

[@dsscam]

Stella is the epitome of an amazing KZbin reactor. She possesses the rare gift of making even the most terrible movies interesting. Her level of analysis is top-notch, and she delivers her points with such clarity and confidence that it's impossible not to be impressed. Just sheer brilliance when it comes to her reviews, critiques, and explanations. I get so frustrated when reactors know nothing about the real world. Likely, 99% of them never knew Arnold was a Governor of CA or that Anton passed away tragically. Hayley is also very charming and up-to-date on things with an extremely sweet disposition. I vote for these two to get their own network show as the next Siskel and Ebert (or the movie reactor equivalent).

[@monsterlair]

Stella is the anti-Ash 😄

[@MrBreezeLI516]

Not to mention next level cutie!!! 🥰

[@dsscam]

@@MrBreezeLI516 Yes, I've told her that a hundred times. Well, at least 3. HA. She's likely too modest to comment back on all her enthusiastic adulation.

[@jonmercano1138]

Yay! My personal favorite!

[@horrorbuff7803]

I really wish they made more of the movies in the future. This was a solid entry and I was entertained by the idea and potential. I don't think that Bale was the best Connor by all means. I think that he was Mis Casted and someone else could have played him better. But I liked the future war and wish that they did more. But the studio had to have Arnold back and they went backwards after this.

[@wolf9walker]

I wish some people would get these other films a chance. they are so hung up on T2 being the end of it all, but they dont seem to understand, T2 is not the end. there is a little acknowledgement that it can go on, judgement day can still happen. its kind of a small thing, so many miss it.

[@wren7195]

I don't know if he was... miscast, as much as perhaps poorly written? I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles John from the near-end of the second season, he comes off (FINALLY) as someone with the intellect and ability to go head to head against a supercomputer in a game of strategy and actually win. This John is just a tough, hard working military leader with a touch of prophetic wisdom. He doesn't *DO* anything, at all, to make us think "yeah this man can win a game of chess against Skynet." But I do agree with you overall, I don't think Bale had the charisma needed for this character. Which is odd, because he normally does that decently well in his movies. He uh... lol did kinda seem a bit "stressed" during the filming of this one though! Take care out there horrorbuff, pleasure speaking with you.

[@horrorbuff7803]

Same to you and yeah I loved Sarah Connor Chronicles as well. It was just getting good when they cancelled it and I was sad because I wanted to see where it would go. If Cameron would turn evil and all that. I am glad they didn't do a romance between John and Cameron because it would have been easy to do but weird. But it was too expensive to continue. @@wren7195

[@christophersims7060]

​@@wren7195Sarah Conner Chronicles really added to the story, bummer they got cut short.

[@wren7195]

@@christophersims7060 Agreed friend, it had a very tumultuous production run, and the producers and crew stuck to it through it all best as they could... but ultimately, we lost out on a good story. Take care Chris!

[@thetankgarage]

Moon Bloodgood had a great sci-fi show shortly after this, Falling Skies (2011-2015). It's nothing to react to and it will be completely forgotten in time but if you like sci-fi it's a show well worth watching. At least a few episodes to see if it hooks you. Decent writing, good sets and many great actors. Lots of crossovers with the many many many other cheap sci-fi shows produced in Canada between 1997-2015

[@christophersims7060]

Falling Skies was good but I never got to see the end of that series

[@jessemoore7081]

Second most underrated. Salvation was supposed to be part of a trilogy, but they cancelled it. Stan Winston created the fx and the design of the Terminator. Look him up, he's actually responsible for the most amazing special fx including Jurassic Park movies.

[@tomhathaway2556]

Im here registering my vote for you guys to watch the tv show, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Its actually really good, better than this, even if the show did get cut short.

[@antoniochasten3192]

I really enjoyed that show. Lena Headey as Sarah Conner and Summer Glau as Cameron Phillips/Allison Young/T-900 was a damn good entry into the Terminator Universe.

[@wren7195]

Agreed, although I don't know if they'd have the staying power to watch the entire series. I personally loved the Sarah Chronnor Chonicles passionately... especially the later portrayal of John... but when you binge the series now instead of waiting on installments per week you can REALLY feel the pain the writers' strike caused. And season two's cliffhanger was heartbreaking to me. I get how it's not a lot of peoples' cup, but if you're REALLY into Terminator stuff and want some good lower-budget stories that deepen the lore and really dig into the human/philosophical aspects of "man vs AI" (or is that "man vs self?") then it's worth the watch. I'd say give the pilot and first two episodes a watch, and you'll pretty much know by then if you'll like it or not. Pleasure talking with you Tom, Antonio. Be safe out there.

[@riveraharper8166]

Yep. Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only thing which is almost up to T1-T2...

[@tanelviil9149]

Where is the Terminator 2 reaction from them?

[@15blackshirt]

The actor playing Marcus, Sam Worthington, also stars in Clash of the Titans, Wrath of the Titans and Sabotage. For terminators, the model number is the living tissue, while the series number is the type of endoskeleton. For example, Arnold is the Model 101, series 800/850. The primary foot soldier Skynet uses at this time is the series 600, while infiltration units use a rubber skin coating. The song John plays on his boombox is the same song that's played on the boombox in Terminator 2

[@Pochitaman30]

Also avatar. He got a lot of very notable movies. Great actor

[@fanngurl164]

I think you guys would enjoy watching The Sarah Conner Chronicles. Terminator 1, 2, Salvation and SCC are awesome!

[@user-qt9vn1yj8x]

Jameron :3

[@MjrCoxwell]

Stan Winston was a LEGEND in the practical (and creature) effects industry. The largest practical and art school for film is named after him. Almost all of the 80's/90s/and 2000+ blockbuster movies with any horror, scifi, or animal practical effects had his (or one of his protegees) hand in it.

[@BubbleBunny514]

Tbh, I really liked this one, it was a bridge, showing you how Kyle and John meet and showing what inspired Skynet/ how Skynet started creating their Terminators to actually look human to better infiltrate the Resistance. You have to remember that they are much less advanced than in the earlier movies where they are coming back from even farther into the future. Plus lots of fun explosions and cute kids, and I really liked Marcus' character - he was there to show that humanity is humanity, regardless of how you try to tamper with them. I think most people just didn't enjoy the tone shift and the lack of real Arnie. It's actually a really decent movie

[@tylerhackner9731]

Underrated film

[@jimrobinson9979]

When you discussed Anton Yelchin's tragic early death, I wondered if you'd seen his film Odd Thomas (2014)? It's a thriller/mystery/horror film based on a book by Dean Koontz, and I thought Yelchin did an amazing job in his role. The description you gave of Yelchin managing to bring a certain sweetness to the character also matches his Odd Thomas role perfectly.

[@antoniochasten3192]

I loved him in Odd Thomas. The ending of that film gets me every time. RIP Anton Yelchin.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

McG's approach in this movie felt solid He deserves another chance because he's still got a lot to offer Have anyone seen THE BABYSITTER?

[@mnomadvfx]

Certainly he did a better job than Alan Taylor (GoT hack director who made the worst Thor film before Love and Thunder) did for Genisys and Tim Miller who made Dark Fate. I'd say better than Jonathan Mostow did for T3 also. Salvation had a nice mix of the slasher type elements from T1 and the action of T2. My main complaints are Sam Worthington and Christian Bale. The former simply because I don't like his acting at all, and the latter because it really did seem like they were playing the "look it's Batman!" card in the wake of The Dark Knight - which was the highest grossing comic book related film ever at the time this film was made and they were clearly cashing in on it. It doesn't even look very natural when Bale does it so I wonder if he said the lines straight on set and the popularity of TDK in cinemas caused them to get him to Bats it up for the ADR sessions.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

​@@mnomadvfx Alan Taylor was just a director for hire But Tim Miller tried to do something different It wasn't his fault that the movie turned out the way it did, killing that one character was James Cameron's idea Miller couldn't do anything about that, since he was just the director

[@porkryne72]

I was so surprised when I saw his name pop up in babysitter really improved his work

[@AllThingsKen]

NO

[@smittybenzo4693]

*Has

[@shallowgal462]

Stella, I already told you it followed the two main characters from the third movie, John and Kate Connor! Anton Yeltsin was Kyle (& Chekov in the Trek reboots). He died tragically from ignoring the recall notice for his vehicle. 😔 They mentioned Griffith Observatory, a famous landmark, so the audience would know they're near L.A.

[@Alexanderthegreat159]

It's not Terminator obviously but you two definitely need to watch reign of fire. It's Matthew McConaughey and Christian Bale before Batman begins and it's about dragons. Very good movie

[@babalonkie]

Stan Winston was the effects supervisor for most 80's-10's blockbuster films. Main effects advisor for... (From Wiki) Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish) James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Avatar) John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman) Dennis Dugan (The Benchwarmers, You Don't Mess with the Zohan) Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man) Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness) Peter Hyams (The Relic, End of Days) Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below) Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull) Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class", What Lies Beneath) If you want to be a film nerd... you MUST know his work... as you already have seen lots of it. The rest of the Terminator films from here are good entertainment but the lore and story so far just becomes irrelevant and pointless.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

Not to mention his best students/co-workers created Legacy Effects; which makes Stan the grandfather of the new Gorn.

[@blueroninstudios]

Stan Winston is the animatronic operator who along with his team puppeteered the original Terminator. He's been a long time collaborator with James Cameron in all the Terminator films up to that point. His studio used to be named after him, but after his death, it was renamed Legacy Studios, and they still do animatronics work and pupeteering in honor of Winston.

[@Phoenixflyer1]

They discussed filming an alternate ending, but didn't. It was an awesome idea. The studio thought it was too dark. They should have filmed it!

[@neilaslayer]

Your comment about them being easier to kill. Remember you are in a war zone with military equipment. Things like armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium are not readily available at the corner gun store. But if you get your hands on some stuff meant for real war and you are quite effective against an armored target.

[@jamaul1391]

Your answer to the question of how skynet knows to goes after Kyle is easy, the first terminator they sent back wasn't just for killing Sarah, it was to ensure skynet's creation would happen. I guess somewhere down the line skynet changed the timeline and kept on doing so as it kept losing the war, so the time machine was just a reset button for them to try a new method.

[@KingsNerdCave]

Glad you continued the series. This movie is awesome. I always wanted to see the war against the machines. I rank it behind the first 2. Not the best, but some great action.

[@mertz7305]

This was an underrated entry, THEN as the subsequent sequels came out, it became even more so.

[@ethanholgate2512]

This is easily the best terminator sequel since judgment day Imo McG did a brilliant job directing it fun fact he went to meet James Cameron and layed out the story they were going for and Jim really liked there ideas Jim recommended Sam Worthington for the character of Marcus as he just worked with him on Avatar brilliant casting as he's such a great underrated actor

[@evanyoung9242]

There was apparantly an alternate ending idea where John would have died, and Markus would have ended up with his skin gone, so to keep the legacy of John going they were going to transplant his skin onto Markus' frame

[@DirtMaguirk]

"She meet him today!" So did Sarah, so did John.

[@parvonik1359]

i love this movie, i dont care what anyone says.

[@sarabearmcd9456]

I saw this in the theater with 3 others. 2 of us liked it and the other 2 hated it. I really like this one. It's definitely my favorite of the modern reimaginings. This one is severely underrated. The score by Danny Elfman is awesome!

[@sapphirehazel2]

Fun fact: The thing about air bubbles in syringes is just a myth. You would need to inject an entire IV tube's length of air into someone for it to kill them, so some small bubbles here or there aren't really harmful. In Terminator 2 when Sarah is about to fill the syringe with cleaner to threaten Dr. Silberman, she stabbed the orderly she knocked out in the butt and shot the entire syringe of air into his butt. That scene is not my point of reference, just an accurate example. ❤

[@WalkerRileyMC]

She injected the sedative he was going to use on her. It wasn't an empty syringe.

[@sapphirehazel2]

@@WalkerRileyMC It was empty. She grabbed an empty syringe from the tray on the counter, flicked up the plunger with her thumb, then stuck it in the guy and pressed the plunger down. She caught them off guard, they didn't even know she had escaped until that moment.

[@davekisman2763]

Marcus Wright is a Terminator Hybrid (T-H). He's basically an inferior version of a T-800. He has a metal endoskeleton, blood, living tissue, organs and himself.

[@чокопай007]

The movie's ending was changed due to a script leak. In the original script, Conor dies and Markus becomes him. Skynet swaps Marcus's face for Conor to destroy the resistance, but he removes the chip and defeats Skynet, sending Kyle Reese back in time. And the fact that his heart was changed in the wilderness, it really does not stand up to criticism

[@blaketfg9374]

Best Terminator film after T-2. This movie mainly has insane amount of nods to T-1 John listening to the tapes Sarah records at the end of T-1 and he has the picture she took at the end of T-1. Reese in T-1 ties a rope to a shotgun and we see in salvation it's Marcus that taught him that. And SOOOOOO many other nods. A lot of problems people had with this movie were things explained in T-1. "If they have giant robots why don't they send just those back in time to do the killing" in T-1 we learn only living things can time travel. The entire subplot of this movie is Sky Net figuring out how to make living machines. It's why Marcus is a prototype and it's why Skynet is making internment camps at factories. They turn people into terminators. The second problem you see asked is why do they have internment camps when they just want to kill all humans but as said before the "camps" are at factories and they were trying to capture Reese to turn him into a Terminator to kill Sarah Despite what John thinks Skynet knows that it doesn't matter who Johns father is because in T-1 John's father wasn't Reese until time travel was invented. Remember Skynet invented time travel to kill John Connor that means in the first timeline it is literally impossible for Reese to be the father. So Skynet knows they cant kill Reese to stop John from being born. Also should say there is only 1 T-101 That's the model. Whenever the future changes Skynet just decides to send it to a different time if it failed. In T-3 we know that model 101 kills John by stopping his heart and his wife reprograms it and sends it back. In salvation we see the same thing happen but Marcus was a new variable this time around so they kill the 101 model and his wife didn't run in the factory to see a dead John but Marcus and John accomplishing their mission. This paragraph was all over the place I'm sorry I just have so much love for this movie. I have so much respect for movies that respect their beginnings. People who started with T-2 Really need to watch T-1 to fully enjoy this movie because this movie is great Edit: even though I don't like T-3 I do respect salvation for accepting it's changes. Because Skynet killed John's Generals in T-3 he isn't the Commander in Salvation and I like that. It also helps show that everytime time travel happens the timeline changes which is something I always liked

[@fanngurl164]

SAME! I saw this in the theater and its been one of my favorites in the franchise!!

[@fetakbuzna]

best after t2 ???dude i will quote u, u r ultimate imbecil.seriosly wtf hahhahahhaha

[@salmankhan2739]

pretty sure they can only send living tissue back in time, not machines, hence why the T-800 had living tissue skin but metal inside, it was only to send it back.

[@blaketfg9374]

@@salmankhan2739 yeah, that's what I said. It's the sideplot of the movie. Marcus is a prototype because they are figuring out how to make living machines to send them back in time. Living Tissue was the first step but the T-1000 is just living metal and can go back in time

[@Pochitaman30]

Its rare to see someone liking this one and i thought i was the only one but thankfully im not. I love this movie just as much as the first two. Christian Bale nailed it and i was introduce to Sam Worthington which is a phenomenal actor. The story and action is on point. All in all it was a very entertaining film

[@DavidLopez-qi8hb]

I believe the original plan for this movie was to have Marcus Wright take over as John Conner, but Christian Bale flexed his "big movie star" card and had the ending changed.

The thing (and the sad thing actually) is that, Salvation was going to be the first part of the Future War trilogy, but it didn't come to be. It was going to be a full arc story but they changed the plans. :( I wish they had stuck to this story to witness for the first time the actual future war as it happens, and not through memories, dreams or anecdotes.

[@urlastchance1]

Crazy thing is that it’s hard to imagine a terminator being good without Arnold swarstenegar. But this sequel without him is much better than the final 2 sequels WITH him.

[@thedude8247]

RIP to Anton, that man was an amazing actor

[@Apollyon6660]

I can't believe you just quoted Jar Jar Binks. I can't believe I remembered that quote. Damn you Star Wars Pre-Sequals!

[@a.s.raiyan2003-4]

The person playing the CGI Arnold Terminator is Roland Kickinger. He has played as Arnold Schwarzenegger in a biopic and like Arnold he is also an Austrian bodybuilder. As he was acting as Governor he just gave them permission to use his face and they modeled it after 1984 look.

[@jtsincock]

Stan Winston was a creature effects artis, and one of the best. His production house worked on many of the Terminator films, Aliens, Jurassic Park, both Predator movies, and Small Soldiers to name a few.

[@matthewdinslage7179]

Stan Winston was basically the GOAT of practical creature effects. A true legend.

[@jhilal2385]

"In Memory of Stan Winston" Stan Winston and Ray Harryhausen were the 2 greatest model/monster/practical effects wizards in movies ever.

[@benprewitt4600]

I'm glad you guys reacted to this! There's not many people that react to Salvation.

[@mariusmitre492]

What cracks me the most about this movie is when a terminator manages to grab John but instead of breaking his neck, it just tosses him around.🤣

[@gumdeo]

Absolutely dumb and unbelievable.

[@Robert_Douglass]

11:40 Fun fact -- The first Terminator that appeared in 1984, in the original film, was time-displaced very near Griffith Observatory, where he killed those three punks for their clothes. 12:33 "As long as the signal is going" meaning it's also a beacon to alert Skynet to the location of Resistance forces. 20:25 "You stay down by day, but at nights you can move around. You still gotta be careful, because the H-Ks use infrared. They're not too bright, though. John taught us ways to dust them.... that's when the infiltrators started to appear. Terminators were the newest....the worst...."

[@gumdeo]

The signal trap is just the sort of thing an advanced AI would come up with.

[@bobbyclarkston8836]

I weeped when they had no clue who Stan Winston was. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭❤️🤖

[@ChrisReise]

30:01 Fun fact: The song playing on the boombox is the same song from Terminator 2 when John and his buddy were riding the motor bike when they were on their way to the arcade.

[@shallowgal462]

STAN WINSTON was working on Terminator: Salvation and Avatar when he died of cancer. He won Oscars for Heartbeeps, Aliens, two for Terminator 2: Judgment Day, and for Jurassic Park. He was nominated for Best Visual Effects and/or Best Makeup for The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, Predator, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman Returns. He won an Emmy for Outstanding Makeup for The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman. He regularly or repeatedly did the special/prosthetic makeup or the visual special effects for Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish), James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Avatar), John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman), Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man), Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness), Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below), Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), and Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class," What Lies Beneath).

[@Josiah-X]

43:45 . . . The purpose of this movie was to show the war after judgment day, Kyle Reese’s organs, and Marcus’ story, which also explains why John Connor survived from being almost killed. This was a very unique movie, it is part of the Terminator story. So yes there was a huge point to this movie.

[@breezy3392]

I love the concept of the T-hybrid in this and I wish they'd done more with it.

[@lou7139]

Awesome reactions, as usual! I really liked this movie because we finally got to see the T-600 series robots in action. I thought Worthington did a pretty good job and I liked his character which was sort of a hybrid, experimental terminator. Of course Bale killed it as John Connor, I think. Worth the freakout on set because the guy is so passionate about his job!

[@SyntheticCK]

The thing with watching someone be executed wasn't for fun (I mean let's be real some probably get off on that stuff), it was for closure for some people that might have had a murdered, raped loved one etc.

[@jeffsmith1344]

As originally filmed, John Connor's brain was put in Marcus' terminator body at the end, Sam Worthington was to play Connor in future sequels but test audiences hated it so they reshot the end and added the scenes throughout emphasizing Marcus' heart.

[@RoadieDoh]

I loved this movie because i grew up with it, and we also got to see during the war instead of going back to the 80s. We are seeing the gritty and dangerous world John, Kyle, and Sarah are trying to fight and why they should fight.

[@therealmfbtl]

Glad you ladies are watching all the movies. Enjoyed the reaction videos.

[@Gabriel-qr9dv]

You 2 and the guys are great reactors, I enjoy your channel very much, thank you for your videos and taking the time to share them with us ☺

[@shainewhite2781]

Christian Bale went on a rant while they filming a scene and threatened the Cinematographer, Shane Hurlbut, by "beating the living hell out of him if he walked into any of his scenes." The audio of the incident was leaked online as Bale and some of the producers listened. Bale then issued an apology for his outburst to Hurlbut. He claimed "he was under a lot of pressure by the studio."

[@horrorbuff7803]

I don't blame him for being upset. Your trying to film a movie and be professional about a job and the Cinematographer walks into the scene? How the hell does that happen?

[@WraithWTF]

You left out a SIGNIFICANT amount of context there...they were like 18 hours into a day of shooting, trying to get a scene that had a lot of dialogue (enough that you can't just get individual lines and patch it together in editing)...the DP, Hurlbut, had walked into the scene and ruined the shot multiple times that day, and when they finally seemed to get the shot, the DP walked into the scene AGAIN and ruined it, which is when Bale blew up on him for legitimate reasons (any DP should know better than to pull that sort of shit, much less doing it multiple times). They finally managed to get the shot after Bale calmed down a bit. Per multiple members of the cast and crew there that day, Bale apologized to the DP before they left the set that night, and there was no further drama between them for the rest of filming. The audio was "leaked" several months later after filming was already wrapped, with a lot of missing context by some random camera grip operator, and the clueless "media" jumped all over it without bothering to get any real details on what happened.

[@nitrokid]

@@WraithWTF This Hurlbut did deserve some beating. If I was Bale I would angry too 😂

[@abovewater6918]

As someone else pointed out, you left out significant context. Many cast have been interviewed about this incident. It was an 18 hour shoot that day, everyone was exhausted, cranky and tired. The Director of Photography Shane, had ruined multiple shots that day by walking into the shot to check the lighting. Bale is a method actor and was playing a "crazy" John Connor and got upset. After the rant, he apologized immediately to Shane, and everyone was cool. But someone decided to leak the incident months after it happened. No one else has ever had a problem working with Bale and many people enjoy working with him Spouting shit like this, without context is misinformation, and you are just as bad as the media when this incident first happened. Clickbait shit

[@horrorbuff7803]

@@abovewater6918 Well said and I don’t really blame bale for being upset. I would be as well

[@javix2013]

Of the Termiantor sequels, for me this is one of the best, at least it tells a different story than the rest.

[@datdudeinred]

28:54 "ok fine we cuddled that's why" 😂😂😂

[@sumelar]

The giant robot sneaking up on them is one of the legitimate complaints about this movie. Yeah the giant hand smashing through the ceiling to grab the nice lady was a cool shot, but it's so stupid there were no lookouts or that it could move that quietly. But the movie is still good. And yes, he told command. They didn't believe him, because why would they. That's what the opening scrawl was about. Also I don't know if you caught it, but a big part of this movie is that the timeline is continuing to change. The T800 (the arnie model) shouldn't be around for many more years, seeing the first one here is a drastic change. Especially since this one seems (not explicit) to follow T3 which pushed judgment day back. So things are moving even faster than you might initially realize. If you do Terminator Genysis, which I hope you do, try to go in completely blind. It's worth it for that one.

[@surfdeprived]

Oh God... thank you for pushing beyond the first two terminator movies. You're now my favorite reactors.

[@thaddeusskywalker5293]

After all these years, it is still my favorite Terminator movie

[@karnevor]

This movie is basically the John Connor meets Kyle Reese movie. It isn't about moving the narrative in any particular direction. It JC meets his dad. Terminators trying to kill people. Terminators capturing people. A Terminator that doesn't know it's a Terminator. Stuff blowing up. Bravo. Long live anything Terminator.

[@Renegade2786]

Yes folks, Marcus, the human hybid terminator, is the one that taught Kyle Reese to string a shotgun to his shoulder. And also we learn how John Connor got his scar on his face when we first see him in T2. Got to appreciate the work to connect the first two films with this one with continuity.

[@Whitebrowpriest]

Stan Winston was the undisputed king of practical movie effects and makeup. He was responsible for the effects and makeup for films such as The Thing (1982), Jurassic Park, Friday the 13th films, the original Planet of the Apes, The Terminator films, Interview with the Vampire, Galaxy Quest, Constantine, etc, etc. There is some debate as to who is really the 'king' of practical movie effect, Stan Winston or Rick Baker. And some might argue that Tom Savini is right up there as well, but I'm (personally) on the side of team Winston! :) Rick Baker's work is phenomenal, don't get me wrong, but I just think that Winston edged him out slightly.... Well, actually, I don't know, they're both pretty darn amazing! I not fully sure who Joseph R. Kubicek Sr. was, but I believe he was an essential part of the Stan Winston effects team. So they honored his memory along with Winston in this film.

[@bukeksiansu2112]

My dad once said "If you watch a sci-fi movies and no need must be make sense. So enjoy it" Thanks dad, I love this movie.

[@kimmoreimes4041]

It is good to know that some things are built to last; John's friend's ''boombox'' from T2 that is, and still playing the same Guns 'n' Roses song

[@TimedRevolver]

This movie had a lot of callbacks to past films. 'You Could Be Mine' was the theme for T2. Also in T2, they showed John in the future with a face scar. He got that scar at the end of this movie. Markus was a pretty sad story, but also incredibly important. Ever wonder why Skynet didn't mass produce T-1000s like they did the T-800? It's because they gain sentience far faster than other Terminators when away from Skynet for too long. And they usually turned on Skynet the moment they can think for themselves. Why else would Skynet NEED to implant control chips in every Terminator? Because, if given free will, they side with humanity.

[@kliphord123X]

ngl an unpopular opinion but when it comes down to terminator movies this is up there or if not my personal fav idk kinda just hits different.

[@davidmckie7128]

Amongst the other things people have said below about Stan Winston, he did the practical effects for "An American Werewolf In London". Do watch it if you haven't already.

[@rubenlopez3364]

They had a Subplot of Humans that were helping Skynet but that all got cut except for the scene where there’s people overlooking the prison camp

[@razorfett147]

Still easily the 3rd best Terminator film. It did something different, and had even more promise as the starting point to a future war trilogy. But the studio just COULDN'T let go of the time traveling killer robot trope....and instead we slid further downhill than even T3 with the Genisys and DF abominations

[@dubrob210]

It didn't do anything different. We were already expecting a war movie and it still failed. T3 is superior.

[@razorfett147]

@@dubrob210 it DID do something different. ie: no time traveling assassin bots. It ditched all that to be a straight up war film...setting it completely apart from what every single other T film did.

[@piercebuckley7699]

Interestingly, the novelization calls the prototype T-800 the T-RIP (Resistance Infiltrator Prototype), and mentions the Terminators being built in the factory are T-700s (rather than 800s), with a noticeably charcoal coloring, and also the same, less advanced model Kyle had initially hoped the Terminator was in the ‘84 novelization.

[@soplam9555]

I think this movie tries to convey that when John and his troops tries to set the future by sending hacked Terminators, Skynet learns from these events and evolves everytime and since human kind can learn too, it becomes viscious circle or an infinite time loop of war.

[@raybernal6829]

I enjoyed all the T movies but T1 and T2 were on another level. I was always entertained by the others as they kept my interest level up. And always fun😊 great commentary ladies❤

[@hanziggy6862]

I enjoyed this movie for what it was and I really appreciated them trying to connect it to the other movies and having a good amount of callbacks to previous movies. I loved some of the concepts shown in this movie and ideas explored. For me, personally, I do think focusing this movie on Marcus rather than John Conner and also having a giant robot that captured humans is where the movie sort of derailed for me and veered off course and felt almost like War of the Worlds too. I understand why they did it that way because they wanted a sort of fresh reboot and not do another movie where John Conner was the focus to keep people guessing about the future. But, at the same time, Conner is the whole crux of the resistance. It also seemed a "mistake" to have Conner taking orders from someone else. Yes, he disobeyed orders and everyone else followed him instead, but still, he should've been the one at the top of the chain of command from the very start. Also, having Kyle be a teenager did not sit right with me. I would've thought by this time, Kyle already would've been by Conner's side as one of his most trusted and skilled soldiers and best friends, which is why Kyle volunteered to go back in the past in the first place. This movie sort of touched on what fans like me wanted, which is a future war with the machines. However, it also kind of bypassed the whole war as well and cheated us out of seeing how Conner ended up becoming such a great leader commanding respect and forming his own battalion of survivors and training soldiers to fight. In a way, I think it would've been cool to have done a movie that took place right after T3 or a just a short time after and let us see how the war against the machines started. In both T1 & T2, we got to see "future flashbacks" like Conner overseeing the battlefield and soldiers being shot at by Terminator HK's flying overhead. I wanted to see stuff like that and how Conner managed to rally a resistance. Having Marcus be the "hero" was a nice twist, but also took away from Conner's story. But, with all that being said, I do not think it nearly as bad as some people say it is. It had some nice horror moments and the twist with Marcus was a fun one and shows how Skynet learned to adapt and try to overcome past failures to kill Conner. I liked how it also shows how what happened in the "past' actually also helped Skynet learn to adapt in the "future". In my opinion, in some ways, this movie did not go far enough in leaning into the Marcus twist, as long as they were going to do that they might as well just lean much more into that. To me, that is where the Sarah Conner Chronicles tv show did a fabulous job succeeding at using some of the concepts of this movie that could've been explored even more but also at the same time, reverting the story back to an old-fashioned horror chase running away from robots trying to kill you AND also mixing in some of the future war I and other fans wanted to see.

[@wowarchershirou]

thats the entire point tho as someone above said T1000 killing johns generals and other things changed the timeline.. that was the entire poiint of them sending the terminators back in the first place kill conner and change the timeline his leadership skills tho are still there just he isnt a leader yet as the timeline has changed as for the people being captured... they were doing experiments on how to make the T100 to be able to send them back it links back to both T1 T2 and T3 in ALOT of ways if u think about it read the above post by blaketfg9374

[@hanziggy6862]

@@wowarchershirou I get the reason for why they captured humans, it is just that how they showed it in the movie looked pretty weird and odd. I thought the TV series explored a similar concept to that much better. Plus, it was not so apparent in the movie itself (at least to me) that killing John's generals in T3 changed the timeline that much. If that is all it took, then T1 & T2 effectively changed the timeline too without ever needing to kill John. Erasing John's existence was always the main goal. Once it could not do that, then it moved on to the next best thing. But, I like to think Skynet even knew taking out the generals would not have changed much, at least so early in the timeline before they even knew John. John can always just train others. Taking out his future wife, however, would've been a bigger deal, especially if they were meant to be in that fallout shelter together. Heck, even just the very fact anybody from the future gets sent back in time and just exists effectively changes the timeline. One could even make the case that by SKynet sending terminators back in time actually sets events in motion that hastens its very own destruction. Of course, any time travel movie can make your brain hurt if you think about it long enough and they will all eventually run into time paradoxes and plot holes, LOL! I can understand how killing his future wife in T3 could send John into a downward spiral and set his future off course even just a little, but John was also still the primary target in T3. So, the Terminator effectively failed in its mission in T3. I can see how killing both Kate AND John's future generals together would've been the two-punch combo to change the timeline that much, but not just his generals. I enjoyed the movie to a much greater extent than I think a lot of other people did. Passionate fans for anything can be a double-edged sword and their dislike of anything they find in a movie tends to be greatly over-exaggerated. I thought each Terminator film had its merits and charm and pros and cons. It is just for me, overall, I think parts of this movie could've been executed better and was a step down from even T3, even with some of the lame jokes I thought T3 had.

[@potterj09]

When John commandeers that robot bike it's the same song playing as in T2 when he and his mulleted friend are riding on the dirtbike.

[@BigTroyT]

So, everyone has covered Stan Winston, one of the kings of creature effects and visual effects in general. The other credit was for Joseph R. Kubicek Sr., who was the father of Victor Kubicek, who is one of the 2 main producers of this movie, and who had recently passed when this movie was released.

[@michaelwalls5638]

i heard that one idea that the writers had for the ending was that john did die and marcus assumed his identity and that is why john conner was such a legendary figure who could best the terminators he was the only terminator who was also human.