The Grapevine Cast Talks Bruno Mars Controversy + Difference Between Appropriation vs Appreciation

Last week, the popular KZbin show, 'The Grapevine' caused outrage amongst some who felt like they unfairly called out Bruno Mars for cultural appropriation. Some cast members stopped by to clarify their stances and discuss the difference between appreciation and appropriation.
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[@voodeux_badeux]

Seren should be here. She is the reason why people are so mad.

[@WomenLovePower]

2:17 you'll Seren.

[@MH-et4bo]

Love you A!

[@mim4371]

Ouroboros she knows that she missed up with the cake comment they should a dress her comment

[@MissAngie25]

M Im they are totally ignoring that comment and that pisses me off. It was too much.

[@mim4371]

Billy's Angel I agree to for its really creepy why would anyone made cake of someone death only a series killer's

[@Dhk4]

Just out of curiosity, why is there no Drake controversy? That man got five different accents from five different cultures lol.

[@JKnight1316]

there was lmao he got dragged on twitter

[@icameisaws4829]

Why did this make me laugh

[@thos24]

dance hall is big in Toronto where he is from.

[@teddybruscie]

Drake is a complex organism. Everything he expresses comes from something he has experienced.

[@cantmissjames]

Drake is black so the convo is a little different. Black people are spread out throughout the globe. We would have to have a convo about whether or not black ppl throughout the diaspora can partake in the subcultures within black culture. Plus Drake has put a lot of artists on & put a lot of bread in their pockets. Culture vultures only take. They don't contribute to the culture

[@brownvirtue]

When has Bruno ever said he’s Black? I’m a huge Bruno fan and I’ve watched so many interviews. He’s never said he’s black.

[@pedrojustice6341]

I'm still baffled as to why they think Bruno Mars is taking something from them. They are acting like he's white and has no ethnicity. It doesn't matter if he was, he makes all kinds of music. What are they doing other than complaining about something that is not owed to them? Just because you choose to wear your hair natural and put a ring in your noise, doesn't make you king or queen of all that is black/latino. Smh

[@LovlyDarkBeauty]

I wish y'all were getting this much attention for the slavery in Lybia disscussion. That episode was everything and a more pressing issue that effects so many lives.

[@WomenLovePower]

LovlyDarkBeauty ME TOO.

[@CordeliaHagan]

Maybe if people supported young black artists more than they talk about famous non-black artists this would be less of an issue

[@peacheskong2245]

*drops mic* like the energy that is put into this is giving him more publicity. They never end a discussion name dropping local or smaller or even big artists of the culutre only complain to complain. There was a UK artist not so long ago on one of their platforms, they only mentioned her twitter handle like they normally do with the whole panel, but that was a moment to highlight her as an artist and her music.

[@johnathanadams3763]

Wow

[@kjsdlask]

How are black artist not supported enough when they are dominating the music industry and have done so for a while now. Just look at the stats from 2017. Despite black people being ~14% of the population, black artists represent: 70% of the top 10 songs currently on the Billboard Hot 100. 50% of the songs on the Billboard 2017 Year-End charts. 50% of the top 10 Forbes Highest-Paid Entertainers of 2017. 38% of Billboard's Greatest of All Time Hot 100 Artists. 32% of the most Grammy-awarded albums ever (at least 6 awards in one night). 70% of the top 10 most Grammy-awarded females ever. 40% of the top 10 most Grammy-awarded males ever.

[@jayrev4410]

i guess i get it.. but Bruno Mars?..i think he has a genuine appreciation for the era of music he does..... if you want to talk Appropriation.. how about the Rap game these days... go ahead ..i'll wait...

[@MrZBlackneffect]

Jay Rev Bruno Mars is literally being sued by multiple Black artist for ripping their music. Bruno been making pop music for a decade and he was never been sued by white artist for ripping their stuff but when he makes a pivot to Black music he literally starts ripping Blacks artist music and paying others like Trinidad James to use their lines “don’t believe just watch.”

[@jayrev4410]

MrZLeroy92 but black artists have done the same in the past...we cant say dont do this if we do it ourselves and to ourselves...if he wouldnt have gotten the awards would we still be having this conversation... like i said i get it...but not Bruno lol

[@MrZBlackneffect]

Jay Rev list the Black artists that have been welcomed into a non-Black musical art form, while simultaneously being sued by artist of the race that came up with the music for ripping songs, while simultaneously being defended by the race they are ripping off. I’ll wait. Do you really not understand the problem here?

[@jayrev4410]

MrZLeroy92 maybe i just understand that there are way bigger problems us as blacks should be addressing...

[@MrZBlackneffect]

Jay Rev You mean other issues that Black people are addressing but are not getting mainstream attention? Sir, Just because you don’t know about the conversations and actions that many in the community are having and taking doesn’t mean that Black people are not having these conversations and taking action.... what it does mean is that you are ignorant to what’s going on.

[@hatchibyebye]

How you not gonna invite the girl who actually made it viral with her comment?

[@the_shadow_healer]

"It's easier to cry and beg for acceptance and integration than it is to BUILD and promote your own outlets that recognize and appreciate your culture. " Time Kruse

[@FallonFontaine]

“We ARE the cool. WE CREATE THE COOL.” Say it louder for the people in the back.

[@ericadinerotv]

At the end of the day, the base of the argument was that these folks want rewards and recognition from white organizations and establishments and saying its “not fair” because non POC are getting noticed for. If Bruno Mars is being lifted up, it’s not him, it’s the system which you claim you hate, yet, seeking recognition from. What would be the suggestion for Bruno Mars to do in order to express himself musically. What genre of music should BM contribute to? Or do you want to EXCLUDE him from being a creative?

[@rootzmagazine7119]

They can't be serious lol Bruno Mars is not making creative, unique, content? I've been rocking with dude since his 1st album and his music has always been creative and unique AND amazing. The Weeknd and Bruno Mars are 2 of the best artists in the last 10 years.

[@ziongrafix3809]

ROOTZ MAGAZINE unique how? He remixes old stuff and doesn’t create his own content.

[@johnP0908]

​@@ziongrafix3809 aren't other artists does the same thing even black artists? aand before saying anything like "he doesn't create his own content" provide citation first. you can't put claims on anything then having no data to back it up.

[@TrulyDrippy]

@@ziongrafix3809 people have been sampling and sampling since the first song ever made. if someone plays a C note than someone else cant use it without shouting them out is what your saying

[@gooonicorn]

So much weight on Bruno. Y’all want to be in Bruno’s pockets and in his face about what he is or is not doing for the community. But what is black people that we consider black enough doing for us? Bruno Mars has a black band, black back up singers/ dancers, producers...etc. His talent is allowing these people to live their dreams. If yall dont consider him black enough, then he shouldn’t be made to show his receipts for his philanthropic work. I agree with some of what yall said, but the overall feel of this discussion sounds like y’all aren’t even mad at Bruno, nor do yall truly believe he’s an appropriator, but just feeling the bite of the industry and taking it out on the wrong person. Had Bruno not won an award he would not have been talked about.

[@MrZBlackneffect]

Gooonicorn Bruno Mars is literally being sued by multiple Black artist for ripping their music. Bruno been making pop music for a decade and he was never been sued by white artist for ripping their stuff but when he makes a pivot to Black music he literally starts ripping Blacks artist music and paying others like Trinidad James to use their lines “don’t believe just watch.” Btw people have been talking about Bruno this way since 2012/2013. Just because you were not privy to the conversation don’t mean their was no conversation.

[@Jennifer-wc5fs]

you didnt watch the whole conversation or original video did you? they already said SEVERAL times this situation is important because it reflects society's view of blackness at large. its bigger than just bruno. they also discussed why it is problematic to use black people in the background as probs to legitamize Bruno's perceived blackness which is literally what bruno does. im happy they are able to make more money. but ultimately bruno would be NOTHING without that band. and I know for a fact they don't get paid nearly as much has he does and work just has much/hard as him. it is patronizing to say that is "allowing them to live their dreams". because they deserve more than just being probs that are allowed to be used. but those men would never have the same track to fame as Bruno because they are unambiguous dark skin black men and women and thats the point. judging from your profile photo im going to be as blunt as possible. if you and bruno had the exactly same level of talent, you would not get the chance to produce your work to the world in the same fashion and magnitude that he has because he's a non threathening light skinned person and you are NOT. why cant you see that this issue affect you too? if you dont believe me produce a piece of art and publish it with your face associated with it and then publish it again with a white person or light skinned persons face and you will see which one people will gravitate to more.

[@LoverDeathnote]

I feel like the problem is not on Bruno mars...the problem is on the system at large: our society, the record labels and studios. Black culture is real and black people are so open to outsiders whom come and take and don’t give back. Like that one woman said....other cultures preserve theirs from outside influence but we don’t do the same for ours.

[@peacheskong2245]

@@MrZBlackneffect Michael Jackson, Missy Eliott, James Brown, Beyonce etc all have been sued at least once in their music carreer for ripping off music from other artists. And you know what plenty of the artists suing them were not just Black Americans but also African artists.

[@johnP0908]

@@peacheskong2245 Everyone's ignorant when it doesn't align with their narrative, ripping someone's music has always been an issue in the music industry, isolating Bruno's case when the fact that it happens to everyone is laughable.

[@MrJduke40]

The Grapevine made it to the stage

[@itallya1219]

Sooo..... Bruno Mars. The man who samples beats, makes dope hits, and wins awards for them. The man who will honestly and willingly talk and express how all of his inspirations are black people and artist. Is appropriating the black culture even though he does nothing but shows homage for an acceptance speech instead of saying it was all him and his own talents. I don’t understand why this topic is even serious. He appreciates and shows love for the music and the artist who inspired him to make the music he does. It’s not his fault that listeners prefer their black music from non-black artist. He was put in a system (like most systems) that was set against black people, so don’t black him for things he can’t control. He studied the genre of music he wanted to present and he presented it well and as a NON-Black artist he does a damn good job at it in my opinion.

[@ToneFury]

With all these goofy ass rappers out here with these goofy ass songs,THIS is what people are mad @? Smh

[@dnicole4236]

Tone Blue they talk about ALL kinds of issues on the grapevine. It’s not their faults this particular topic got so much attention.

[@michealjohnson8715]

Tone Blue preach man

[@ToneFury]

SK what is there to get?

[@ToneFury]

blackfemme either way..theres 100 other things to be mad @ when it comes to music today

[@padussia]

So true. I don't even enjoy ANY of that bullshit! Bruno Mars put the funk, love, and class back in music. Bruno music makes me very happy.

[@octaviusporter585]

I find it fascinating that these people think he's appropriating black culture doing music that most black artists don't even do anymore. Talk about your exclusivity

[@treyvorable]

Seren's couch analogy had me in tears 😂😂😂😂

[@XYHagtos]

was so dumb. lmao

[@deejinnwoo5954]

Fr tho lmao

[@Ididntwantthishandle]

She sound dumb

[@Estelle738l]

She's actually very intellegent

[@doyinsage]

She can be intelligent, but that analogy was dumb. And that fact that none of her so-called "friends" check her is sad.

[@ascendantrocket]

I’ve been watching this channel for years! I’m so glad their content is finally being exposed on a greater scale.

[@naobe5]

yeah!!!

[@rbh18wb]

This whole argument about appropriation is a good one. However, I think picking Bruno Mars as the person to use as an example is wrong. The album of the year category basically came down to Bruno, Kendrick, & Jay-Z. That is a singer vs. two rappers. Woke vs. Groove. It's about preference. I love R&B & New Jack Swing music and I am happy that Bruno Mars is helping to keep my favourite genre's alive. I think we should be praising him rather than trying to tear him down. I also feel that if Bruno Mars grew up listening to Soul music why shouldn't he be able to sing and perform it? If he was bad at it no one would care but because he is good and the world has taken notice then it means he is stealing from us. I don't agree! Our problem is not with Bruno it is with the music industry! I hope Bruno continues to sing R&B music because I enjoy it! Miley Cyrus clearly tried to steal our style and our music and once things stopped working for her, she denounced her so-called blackness like it was a bad cold that she just got over. SMH! That is who you bring up as an example. and you stick with her. Sam Smith, Adele, & Robin Thicke shouldn't be blamed because they have fallen in love with our music. Blame the industry and bring more of the music back so they have no choice but to acknowledge it! In the 90's R&B music was everywhere! You want the conversation to change then today's artists need to make a sacrifice and change the music back to what it was and watch how the game takes notice. No one is making money off music sales anyway these days. Why not take a gamble and bring real R&B and New Jack Swing back?

[@eking5715]

I think the same about Cardi B. Before Dominicans did not wanted to be thought of as blacks. Now it's convince for her to embrace her black heritage.

[@michealjohnson8715]

He Puerto Rican and Hawaiian

[@padussia]

Puerto Ricans have a lot of black in them.

[@hueykhalidX]

@hippie - Puerto Rican and Hawaiian are NOT races!!!

[@padussia]

hueykhalidX You better 'em!

[@filmsuga92]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@noire9601]

RIP Ayesha.... Still hits me everytime I see her!

[@chriswooldridge1301]

So, Quincy Jones has 27 Grammy's, Stevie Wonder has 25 Grammy's, Beyonce has 22 Grammy's, and Micheal Jackson has 19 Grammy's. Bruno is also a minority and yet it's a problem that he wins and pays homage to his predecessors... Hmmm

[@Dopesince79]

The man writes his own music and plays multiple instruments. End of story.

[@Ladyhotfire78]

👏🏽 thank you. He’s a legit talent. Who is else is even doing what he’s doing or brought that sound back? This seems petty-like he’s taking someone else’s gig in real time.

[@naomilikayi5927]

Thanks God for this video! When you train the new employees with the old employees just to fire them. When you have non-black performers trained to act like black performers and then wipe the black performers out then give the genre. Everyone does not want to empathize with black people. Including black people themselves.

[@mrIlovethe90s1]

naomi likayi Well said sis

[@naomilikayi5927]

+Angelisa Hassan You don't even know if my feelings on this topic has changed or not. In the last couple of days, ive had a great discussion about Bruno and in some sentiment, my feelings have changed, not entirely though. I don't believe in the segregation of musical genres based on race. So elimanting Bruno or any non-black artist from R&B/Hip hop is just as bad. But recognize who is being promoted first and why, especially how our instutions are set up historically. I do believe that there's a discrepancy on how the world precieves black people and black culture. And who amongst races are going to quickly earn the most by playing the same kind of music. So these "cry babies" do have a reason on why their complaining. Its just on a matter of delivering the news and solving the problem which they don't know how to do.

[@azureavocado5195]

I love educated black ppl with critical thought processes 😍

[@copeyano718]

So you don’t like the show? Because is all emotions.

[@irsyadquim3732]

Bruno mars is a legend...yall just jealous and racist asf..stop saying that he steal black culture hes just making it better and you folkes just cant accept it..

[@NAFX-qc9bw]

Faxxxx 💯💯

[@sbrooks904]

He can’t be better by copying. You’d have a leg to stand on if he was original.

[@tevonmiller3908]

@@sbrooks904 name a original artist

[@pitchblockgames9395]

The sooner we stop giving a damn about the Grammy's, Oscars and Emmy's the better off we'll be. The biggest problem I have with us "trying to get recognition" from these existing entities is, we're looking for their approval on music that was created by us. Black folk have created all existing forms of popular music that comes out of the United States. Country, Blues, Jazz, Gospel, R&B, Hip Hop, Pop, Rock and Roll, all of them came from black folk. When we recognize that it's more important to receive the Soul Train Music Award vs the Grammy or any award from our institutions, the better off we'll be. As long as we continue to look for their recognition the more pathetic we look. When "I Believe I Can Fly" did not win for song of the year in 1996, I have not watched a music award show since then...22 years. We're talking about artist appropriating, fu-- that, at least Bruno give props! F--- these institutions!!! We have to do better...stop patronizing the award shows.

[@thatgirlkells5505]

Facts!!!!!

[@mikethemiamichiro]

American black people do not have the same outcry of cultural appropriation when black artists like chris brown, tyga etc. have been using afrobeat sounds in the last few years in the same way Bruno Mars uses doo wop/funk...

[@chasingenigma7482]

Thats just envy followed by bitterness. Once you reach that level of fame that Bruno Mars have, you become a target.

[@gabibabiii]

Instead of asking what Bruno can do, wtf are you doing??!! You don't have to be rich. I hope he ignores you goofy ppl and continues living his best life.

[@melzerr]

how come Mariah Carey can live freely all these years?🤔 There's quite a lot of people that could be questioned. Dude just took the fall damn Bruno😂😭

[@sdjosh9081]

Bruno doesn’t owe you sh*t hahaha ...the audacity SMH

[@LetsBuildThatApp]

What about the NBA? Who's culture does this belong to?

[@specioseninzigama563]

It belongs to blacks

[@eyden1562]

Pretty sure James was a Canadian though, so does it belongs to Canadians?? Because we don't have one colour. hahahahha

[@alohacoach8002]

@@specioseninzigama563 blacks didn't even play at the birth of basketball. There's a movie on the first majority black team way after it started.

[@blackgsus9216]

@@eyden1562 what about hockey, it was invented by black people.

[@eyden1562]

@@blackgsus9216 blacks or indigenous people?? I was certain hockey came from a specific area where the trees grow at a 90degree angle near the base (it bends either because of, or to avoid the frozen water in winter) However, I have no idea WHO started it. I just know about the trees hahahah

[@nikoperez7208]

“Besides his amazing voice” which is probably the most important reason and probably 90% reason he won album of the year

[@couturegalx3]

Ayesha's point hit the nail on the head. Black people are always guests when it comes to making money off of other people's things but EVERYBODY ELSE can become a billionaire off of black culture and black people comparatively make crumbs. We need to be more selective of who we let in, as Ashley said "we are the cool", we basically are pop culture.

[@Sam___________]

That couch analogy is the dumbest thing I’ve heard LMAO

[@al7475]

She literally said that she hates Bruno Mars. She is literally coming from a place of hate. Aishitemasu is literally a hater. And is her dad Japanese or is name appropriation somehow ok with this angry hypocrite.

[@Jennifer-wc5fs]

so what? many people say they hate political officials but that doesnt mean they dont have valid points as to how they got to that conclusion. hate is subjective so is every opinion we hold. at least she explained in detail with references. and id hardly say name appropriation is the same as silencing and stealing people's hard work in a society and repetively disrespects, alienates, and dehumanized your existances.

[@al7475]

@ Jennifer "at least she explained in detail with references." Wtf? References? Blackneck Aishitemasu was spewing opinion from a hateful place, " I hate Bruno Mars!" She said that he was "unoriginal" and added nothing to black music. She even said that he "copied word for word" and note for note. This is an opinion and sure as hell ain't based in fact. If he was plagiarizing anything even remotely close to someone else's work he would be sued. Just like Ray Parker jr. was sued by Huey Lewis and lost for stealing parts of the hit Ghost Busters. Bruno Mars' music is original and he is talented. Your second ridiculous hysterical point #2, invalid. (Is she even Japanese?)

[@TheOriginalRevolt]

I'm Black and I live in Japan - she is appropriating Japanese language. And failing, claiming to be "Teacher Love." That idiot.

[@TravelWright22]

Al she went on a date with a white dude an was in a relationship with a non black woman but she says she's a race separatist lmao

[@AGEE_95]

Gloria Gracey except he isn’t pretending to be anything. Saying that is both ignorant and petty. I don’t know this chick, but I can tell that she’s one of those extremist black people who thinks they can decide how black someone is or isn’t and how all black people should behave and think. It’s laughable.

[@bostonbully3660]

A waste of time these ppl need to start seeing more than just color, its called being more talented than the next

[@DTMH25]

What about the black music legends of this genre like a Charlie Wilson or Jimmy Jam defending Bruno? These are people who have worked within the system. How do explain the defense of Bruno from other black R&B artists, who themselves are struggling to break into the mainstream? I hope Seren gets a chance to say her piece in person on this platform.

[@rikkidgermano9640]

You said it yourself, artists do not have a problem with him, it's only people who have never achieved anything artistically.

[@ascendantrocket]

Don't Touch My Hair Just because some people don’t see him as an appropriator, doesn’t mean that the arguments brought up by people who do are invalid.

[@dafeck5574]

Not to mention that Babyface also worked with him for his 24K album

[@JC7TV]

worked "WITHIN" the "SYSTEM"

[@denisemitchell8477]

+Rikkid Germano agree it's stupid..

[@battosaihimura8840]

One word to describe your Tirades against Bruno Mars.and its One of the 7 Deadly Sins: ENVY!!!

[@kaydenpat]

The good thing is that your hatred of Bruno means nothing. He’s still making great music and haters can hate him all they want. He’s doing his thing. Seren should be ashamed to say that she’d bake a cake if he died. Why say that about an entertainer who is not hurting anyone? Ridiculous. Someone should say that about her.

[@janetlynn2889]

Nobody mentioned what Bruno did for the Flint water issue

[@soflo858]

We have to take into consideration what will be told/wrote in the history books. Sister Rosetta Tharpe( a black woman) is a pioneer of rock n roll and not too many people know who she is, but according to "history" Elvis is the King. I LOVE Bruno, but I understand where the panel is coming from. Ijs

[@has3219]

wake me up when 24k magic outsells Dangerous a fully new jack swing album by Michael Jackson. Until then this argument is worthless NEXT

[@tootiredtothink12]

I could listen to ayesha talk all day, she's amazing

[@clintondesveaux751]

The first time I ever heard of Bruno Mars along with millions of other people like me was on their drive into work on Satellite Radio in the morning - I had no idea what he looked like or what his background was - I just heard an amazing musician. People are jealous of his talent!

[@NaNA68424]

Although I don't agree that he is an appropriator I think your comment is a little of what they were hinting to. They were basically saying that the simple fact that you would hear his songs on a mainstream popular hip hop station versus someone like a Jazmine Sullivan is based on how record labels and the media like black music or soul from non-black artist. With that said, I think calling him an appropriator is very much a reach since he shows appreciation.

[@ERizzo5]

@@NaNA68424 what does him being non-black have to do with anything? He struggled just like anyone who’s ever made it. He was dropped by Motown records. Record companies didn’t pick him up because they thought he wouldn’t appeal to the masses because of the way he looked (multiracial). They wanted him to do Spanish sounding music because of his last name being Hernandez. Just like record labels didn’t believe in Kanye, Jay-Z etc. These artist break through from their hard work and talent and that’s it. If he can get played on radio for doing black music it’s just cuz he’s really that talented.

[@NaNA68424]

@@ERizzo5 For decades there have been discussions on the topic of blue eyed soul. It's the idea that people want rnb music but packaged in a different body.. If you ever watched the movie "Dream Girls", they touch on this. This does mean that Bruno or even White artist don't struggle at all, but the struggle will never be to the extent that Black artists struggle in R&B music, because Bruno's racial ambiguity still provides him privileges in comparison to his black counterparts. This is not to say he isn't talented, but we can't ignore that race will always be a factor.

[@Alchemy77]

The comments made by seren were clearly biased. When she said she’d bake a cake if bruno died I already knew everything that came out of her mouth after that was going to be hateful. She didn’t really have any facts to support her argument and accusations either. Bruno mars is a filipino man who grew up listening to black artist. He was inspired by them and he wanted to make music like them because thats the sound he loves. I don’t know all the facts about him being sued for allegedly stealing black artist from earlier generations music, but from what i’ve seen, bruno has never claimed to have been the originator of the sound he uses. I have also never seen or heard of him disrespecting black culture. On the grapevine they say white people only want to hear black music from non black artist, which is not completely true. If you ever go to any of these popular black hip hop and R&B artists shows you’ll see that the crowds are full of or have a lot white faces screaming these black artists lyrics. Are you upset with bruno or are you upset with the consumers and the people in control of these award shows ?

[@betsywong7922]

Legend Meanwhile, I don’t see black peoples supporting all these black artists, the same way white people support mediocre white artists. So many black artists play small venues and the black community does not support them

[@LoverDeathnote]

Legend I also I want to add about how Beyonce performed a country song at the CMA, so many racist whites were dragging her and said that she has no partake in “their” music....you see how they don’t like outsiders come into their culture, and preserve them as mush as they can. However we blacks we fail to them.

[@sofia_calista]

Gbemi Soname so you’d agree.. that these people on the panel are racist to bruno. I mean, beyonce sang a country song and white people was pissed and didnt want her singing their music.. just like how these black people dragged bruno for ‘appropriating’ their music.

[@Howtonaturally]

I don't know why Bruno Mars is singled out in all these cultural appropriation conversations lately. Have ya'll been living in denial of the amount of other groups of people (races) and companies who have been leeching black culture for decades? Everyone From food companies to car manufactures! What am I missing here? Why is Bruno Mars being accused and not Eminem or Justin Timberlake?

[@MrZBlackneffect]

The Change It’s the timing. Black people are waking up and Bruno Mars is the “it guy” making Black music, not to mention Bruno Mars is literally being sued by multiple Black artist for ripping their music. Bruno been making pop music for a decade and he was never been sued by white artist for ripping their stuff but when he makes a pivot to Black music he literally starts ripping Blacks artist music and paying others like Trinidad James to use their lines “don’t believe just watch.”

[@Howtonaturally]

I see. Thanks. Never paid attention to him to be honest, I'm not his biggest fan anyway.

[@katsam4457]

It's because they are millennial Americans, and millennials black or white, act like the biggest victims, most entitled brats in history. Everything is offensive to them.

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

Apparently he won album of the year and pissed a bunch of music fans off.

[@briansmith5871]

Not every Puerto Rican has African blood running through their veins, facts. Can't put it any clearer than that, most yes, but every no.

[@adrontate601]

exactly I've seen and worked with white Puerto Ricans not tanned but WHITE!!!

[@briansmith5871]

Yonis Ali Just because he isn't white that doesn't make him black. His father is only half Puerto Rican which we don't even know what his Puerto Rican Grandparent looks like, but Seren showed a picture of Bruno's dad in one of her videos, and he don't look nothing close to a black man at all, so yes Bruno isn't white but the boy ain't black.

[@briansmith5871]

Yonis Ali I feel like you should already know the answer to that question, and if by some strange reason you don't really know, then do some thorough research on your own, I will say this make sure your resources are from a credible African authors/publications.

[@mysterylover9546]

You didn’t pay attention in history class. A great percentage of Spanish people have African blood in them.

[@briansmith5871]

royal clark lol didn't I say " most yes " that's pretty much the same as a " great percentage ". Telling me I didn't pay attention, yeah okay.

[@Deerych]

Ayyyyeeee!!! Ya'll are getting some great exposure! So happy for you all!!

[@summerstern]

luv you guys!

[@imandecor]

When I was growing up good music was just good music Tina Marie was making her songs with Rick James there was groups like UB40 and John B. I don't know what the problem is good music is good music that is all I have to say SMH

[@alyshacampbell1767]

The conversation was dope. The arguments and points that were said were educational and informative. I agreed and disagreed with a lot of the comments made and I have watched both parts of the video about Bruno. But when you say that if he dies, you will bake a fucking cake, then you sound bitter and a lot of people tuned out after that comment was made. You don’t have to like his music or feel like he’s appropriating black culture. But don’t be shocked when people have trouble listening to you and some of the impactful points that were made right after such a asinine comment.

[@Keesha_Hardy]

Alysha Campbell I agree with this comment wholeheartedly. I normally love hearing Seren, but she was out of line for saying that.

[@midnightjazz3278]

Your comment was the most rational out of most likely this whole comment section. Now THATS what we need. You “lose” your Argument when a sentence isn’t focused on the topic. It’s sad, but true, and that’s what happened.

[@cahayabudy6434]

I just wonder the complainer who called herself SENSEI AISHITERU is talking all kind of shits about bruno mars, why she herself used JAPANESE, or taking ENGLISH??? if she accused bruno of cultural appropriation, Doesn't she appropriate japanese culture and british culture??? isn't that a hypocrite??? why didn't she use her original language of her ancestors??? and it is a shame that a small group of untalented people enjoying talking shits about a very talented artist like bruno mars??? you need a proper understanding of cultural appropriation.

[@rimbello1]

The girl said she hopes Bruno mars dies! So y’all are intentionally leaving that part out. I’m a black man, and it’s a fine line between wanting equality and feeling entitled.

[@michealjohnson8715]

R. Moore exactly

[@MRLONG758]

When she said that it turned me off to the whole conversation.

[@drueblue2764]

R. Moore exactly that's when I clicked off

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

That's too bad because it was a very good episode with alot of varying opinions

[@DTMH25]

R. Moore She said if Bruno died she would bake a cake right?

[@temporarymusiclover]

If your going to come for people you need to come with all the facts Robin Thicke is the one being sued not Bruno Mars. Lol.

[@MrZBlackneffect]

temporarymusiclover Actually Bruno is being sued for uptown funk by the Gap Band and by a group called The Sequence..... when people accuse Bruno Mars of cultural appropriation you might want to look into what they’re talking about before dismissing them.

[@temporarymusiclover]

You mean Mark Ronson because that's his song featuring Bruno.

[@Keesha_Hardy]

MrZLeroy92 That's not Bruno's song. Find one song of Bruno's (not one he's simply featured on) that he's being sued for.

[@Bandicoot82]

MrZLeroy92 Are you going to dismiss all the songs he's written and produced for black artists. Because it seems they're conveniently forgetting that. FACTS

[@nisha5669]

@@MrZBlackneffect To be clear that is not Bruno Mars song so it was Mark Ronson that was being sued

[@K.D-Gaia]

What happened to their podcast?

[@trinarenae7735]

Has any of them even looked up the definition of cultural appropiation...because when you look up the definition you realize that Bruno Mars could not culturally appropiate because he too is a minority. Culturally appropiation by definition is when the majority takes culture of the minority to exploit it. I can't say Bruno Mars is doing that.

[@morena1484]

It is actually simple guys. Bruno and other non-black artist are used because they're talented enough to generate a lot of money from the formula of using black artistry. It is more beneficial to white supremacy to use our music and package it with a non-black person. Its to the detriment of actual black artist whom are more talented and could be elevated, yet are overlooked and don't recieve the same accolades or wealth. An example of the agenda for clarity : Beyonce wanted to perform a country song from her last album at the Country Awards and was SHUNNED and shut out as well as being racially attacked. It is a fact that Black ppl are the originators of the country genre. However, we are shut out now as the outsiders of something we created. The same is happening in hip hop. Black ppl wanna be so inclusive with what little we still have and now you have the Post Malones clowning the genre yet STILL making money from it and then the recent white artist blatantly disrespecting a legend like Tupac in the media. We give away all that we have so willingly and wonder why we're in the position we're in. Ask your local nail salon, carry outs and beauty supply store owners whether you can get put onto their Chinese manufacturers and see what response you get. Every1 protects their own except black people. Yall can't see the forest for the trees smh.

[@JC7TV]

#PREACH

[@qtkeyah]

💯💯💯💯

[@morena1484]

Nakib Has It's obvious that you're making a LOT of assumptions based on your own prejudices and presumptions. 1. I am a Bruno fan. 2. I'm not that big of a Beyonce fan so you actually know more lyrics than me lmao. 3. My son's paternal grandmother is filipino and we've visited Manila twice and I've been learning a tagalog dialect for a few years now. FIRST OF ALL, if you would like to talk history. Lets start with the indigenous filipinos for example, the Aetas, as 1 particular group and many other mountain tribes. THEY ARE OF BLACK ORIGIN! The spaniards raped and pillaged the Phillipines as they did in many other regions. Right now those indigenous people are considered the outcast. While the culture and phenotyoe of the rapist has become what's adopted in normal society. I draw the correlation between that scenario and what happens if black ppl are not careful with our artistry. We will be the outcast in something that was birthed from our blood, bodies, minds and creativity. IMO this isn't about Bruno personally, I think he's talented. However he is definitely being used and elevated within a white supremacist structure that has always been engrained in American culture. If you don't identify as a Black American or of immediate African descent or identity, then I don't expect you to understand the concern. Enjoy your Bruno Mars and Post Malone playlist and carry on.

[@morena1484]

Nakib Has I ALMOST 4GOT 😂, I have to point out that your example of " how far we've come" is tone deaf considering that Beyonce is damn near a billionaire artist, yet was still subjected to racism when she attempted to sing on the Country awards and we she embraced her idea of blackness in the last album. Sorry love, I can't sing kumbaya along with you just yet lol.

[@morena1484]

Angelisa Hassan I agree! The extremist on either side are exhausting to me. I don't hate Bruno at all lol. I'm also thankful for being introduced to so many artist thru those platorms as well. I guess that's what makes it bittersweet because there are SO MANY uber talented artist that get little to no exposure and never obtain the financial backing or support to elevate. Some don't want mainstream, but those that dream should have the opportunity. Its ours to have!

[@AntonsClass]

Glad you guys made this video. Also glad Seren made an appearance via video clip. I love you guys

[@courtneyreese8948]

Love you guys!!! Hope y'all having a wonderful day! Peace

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

Hot 97 is getting smarter I see...

[@big662]

nall Hot 97 is still late on everything. They only had the upper hand on this topic because the dude in the middle is a regular on the Grapevine show.

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

big662...oh well...I thought there was hope. LMAO.

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

pocket daeo as far as who they interview

[@kiwhi2011]

I just want to say he is an artist. He provides positive music and brings back the good vibes of the 90s, 80s, and 70s. I would rather have the children listen to his music then others. He is a person of color. So why just focus on him. Why not other artist look at this and go in a positive direction. And he has a right to make his own style and type of music.

[@trollaccount7450]

Bc they feel so threathened of him

[@ericsmusic5927]

I wish Karl was on in this video, He is one of the few who on the grapevine who are not bias to his skin color and speaks common sense when needed to be.

[@seamusdoherty]

They always gang up on poor karl

[@micah459]

But the thing is that Bruno Mars doesn't choose who listens to his music so the excuse that you being more popular than a black artist makes you a appropriater is stupid. Also, he does try to help build up black people and he does put actual work into his music and plays multiple instruments.

[@raymondcarter8915]

Hip hop started in the bronx, its part of bronx culture anyone outside the bronx is an appropriator.

[@QueenK88]

Yaaasss The Grapevine is on the come up!

[@PhynnegansMom]

This conversation would have greatly benefited from having someone on the panel who lived through the 90’s. There’s so much context missing for where things originated and how they morphed over time that would better inform these young people.

[@kevinwong9656]

Less hate more acceptance and love. Stupid conversation. He's doing it and doing it better and is being appropriately recognized for his good work.

[@olivekid100]

To answer the questions to why black people aren't profiting of our cultures. The reason is because we not only DON'T own the record labels that create these artistry we also DON'T own channels of music distribution as a whole. If there was more ownership of music from our culture we would be able to be more selective. Secondly there is no accountability in our community ie everyone forgets that TI was the one that brought Iggy azelea to the culture to appropriate. We get on to her but he gets a pass. We hand out passes but nobody wants to take responsibility when the Miley Cyrus's of this world choose to later revoke their pass once they've made their money! No everyone should get called out from the appropriators to the one that gave passes in the first place, I'm fair with roasting everyone!

[@has3219]

FILIPINOS DONT OWN ANY PORTION OF THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY THO SO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT JT OR SOMETHING

[@Summer_Wonder]

olivekid100 Preach! It’s time to drag the sellouts into this convo too. Someone mentioned LA Reid/Pink but Timbaland, Charlie Wilson, Pharrell, Usher, etc. need to held accountable too.

[@RHrrrrrrhhhhhh]

I have to say that if I was Bruno I wouldn’t want to turn up to be attacked either. It feels like a case of the car tyre going down so you kick the cat. As for Seren she made such an obnoxious statement, so wrong on any level, said to anyone, at anytime!!!!, going viral as a result of that, is sickening to me. She couldn’t turn up to take the heat for what she said that angered so many, why would Bruno want to throw his precious time on that. It is a great subject to discuss and there are more intelligent ways of having these conversations than making hurtful statements about baking a cake to celebrate anyones death. I want to understand and I want to be part of the change, however I can’t see someone like Seren being a a good part of that ever, I want to listen to all who want to speak but not someone who sounds jealous and nose out of joint at someone who always pays it and forward and works so hard. No person got to choose where or when they were born, nor who their parents are. Fashion can’t be stolen. It’s not a national dress or uniform, it’s what we like and a form of flattering if you think about it. Bruno had dreams as a kid, like us all and he’s getting to achieve those dreams through hard work and dedication, not because he wants to hurt anyone in fact I think it’s quite the opposite. I’ve never seen anything that would intentionally hurt someone when it comes to Bruno and the mistakes he’s made he is open about and prefers to leave them in the past and learn from them.

[@cindymananzalamartinez6679]

They have a valid argument but they're picking on the wrong person. Bruno Mars did nothing but appreciate black culture. He even collaborates with black artists and hire an all-black backup singers. He also never forgets to give credit where credit is due. What more would you want from him? I personally think this is just out of jealousy coz a non-black artist is having more success with black music more than black artists, themselves. It's not Bruno's fault he's talented. It's the industry's fault for not recognizing more black talent. Like I said, they're picking on the wrong person here.

[@oldskoolheart8472]

It’s music, demand more from these politicians and these conglomerates. We just don’t have time to be asking Bruno to do more 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@erikasnow2104]

I see y'all just want to get noticed and feel validated as a platform at Bruno Mars expense.

[@WomenLovePower]

Erika Snow nope. We are all huge fans of Bruno and this discussion is about anti blackness in the music industry if you really listen. Also, we cover a very broad range of topics, from Libya to Kaepernick, every single week. This was made a topic after it was being discussed on social media and none of us expected this episode to get this reaction. So the more insightful question is--- why is it that out of ALL our serious discussions, people made THIS one viral? I would have LOVED for our discussion on Libya and human trafficking to have received this much attention, but we have no control over what content people share.

[@mrblackdaprophet1]

my question to you guys is me being Mexican American born and raised in Oakland Ca highly influenced by hip hop culture and highly influenced by all American cultures to be honest. where do I fit in your eyes? I move in many circles and I personally identify as HUMAN. Don't get me wrong I strongly believe all people of color need to unite and rise up to be the equals we where meant to be in this world

[@Summer_Wonder]

M. B. Joe Prada I’m black from TX so I grew up with lots of kids like you. I was always confused at how the other POCs so easily and authentically maneuvered black culture but I didn’t know much of anything about theirs. It’s only now when my Hispanic or Asian peers embrace their culture more that I can start to see where our cultural differences lie. I guess in 2018 it’s required that you stay true to the culture linked to your identity and not your surroundings, so you’d have to stay in your Mexican American lane. Totally different climate from back in the day. Appreciation and sharing is still ok but don’t think exhibiting the characteristic or customs of a culture not linked to your racial or ethnic identity is out of bounds.

[@mrblackdaprophet1]

slimballa93 so by your definition and your 2018 purist mentality I should stop doing hip hop and should start doing Mexican Music? See here lies the problem telling someone who considers themselves Hip Hop and that's not a race but a culture of America which yes it was created in the streets of NY by underprivileged black youth. Created to speak up for the underprivileged kids of the hood, ghetto, slums,whatever it may be. we seem to forget that hip hop true hip hop at its core was created to give a voice to the powerless.

[@Summer_Wonder]

M. B. Joe Prada well you asked and I gave you an answer. There’s an emerging Hispanic hip hop scene here in TX. Basically hip hop/rap beats (screw in this case) in Spanish. Try that but with a Bay Area twist. Hip hop in its historic or current form isn’t the only way to give a voice to the voiceless. Bruno gets in trouble because he doesn’t add anything to the genres he mimics. If you are a Mexican American that sounds/looks like a black person I don’t think it’ll fly in 2018 or beyond. They even gave Eminem a hard time and he’s still not black folks favorite (but very respected) so what makes you think you won’t get heat?

[@Summer_Wonder]

M. B. Joe Prada then again I don’t want to crush your dreams. Lil Pump is a thing so this may just be a purist trend. Hell, Fat Joe hasn’t had any problems so maybe you won’t either. Keep doing you and see where it takes you.

[@mrblackdaprophet1]

actually I do embrace my hispanic side in my music. in the case of POP artist Bruno Mars I feel he embraced the culture and has given his own contributions and he gives praise to the black culture he is appreciating in my opinion he is not appropriating. so here is a good question do you eat Tacos, Burritos, enchiladas, and so forth? if so is this also not cultural appropriation or is it cultural appreciation? By your definition appreciating a culture to the point of embracing it is cultural appropriation

[@geminilife3014]

I don’t see Chinese people complaining about Wu Tang appropriating their culture. Or anybody complaining about JT, Bieber and countless white artists who sing RnB. But as soon as a brown person starts making $$ off of it, it’s a problem. That also needs to be addressed

[@DetroitLives313]

Was Beyonce's "Lemonade" album any good? Just asking.......

[@SenseiAishitemasu]

I couldn’t make this taping but I was there in spirit!

[@charliehustle9779]

Your opinion displayed how disgusting you are with the death comment. Although arguments can be made about music industry politics and society, your rage towards Bruno Mars' genuine talent and appreciation of Black culture is misguided. Stay upset, because he's not going anywhere.

[@hiphoprbloverjon9180]

Sensei Aishitemasu You call yourself ''Sensei'' and the ''Black Judy Funnie''....CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!!!

[@hiphoprbloverjon9180]

frenchy role She's a dumb ass who blocks people on Twitter if you don't agree with her. She's a loud mouth who enjoys only hearing herself talk. She joked about Bruno dying. She said Aaliyah dying was the best thing to happen to her career. And what about her cultural appropriation? She calls herself a sensei? Is she one? She calls herself the ''Black'' Judy Funnie. Why would a Black person like her want to be a White cartoon character?

[@eon001]

Sensei Aishitemasu Where did you appropriate the non black sounding name from? Or because where the "subjected culture" It's ok for us to steal from other people? Smh at your victim complex. Speak for yourself when you use terms like "subjected". Lebron and Oprah aint subjected, and I certainly am not subjected either.

[@sweetbabyboo5]

Sensei Aishitemasu Love you, keep up the good work 👏.

[@sambakonate409]

Bruno i love you you great keep doing music

[@singjustice]

MY goodness these people give me life. Universe bless you all.

[@faa1412]

Don't get mad at Bruno Mars... take it up with the Grammys. the black producers and song writers who work with him. Ya'll getting all emotional over one album. All his other albums had different sounds to them. As a matter of fact Bruno Mars albums kinda go through a musical timeline.

[@gerardocortes4170]

Bruno is a beast

[@essenceofsean2527]

BRUNO WAS NEVER SUED. IT WAS THE WHITE GUY THAT GOT SUED. HE DIDN'T STEAL ANYONE'S MUSIC. PLUS IT WAS ROBIN THICKE

[@turtwig104]

_KINGSEANCOURT_ Exactly

[@pharastar1]

No Bruno is also being sued.

[@essenceofsean2527]

pharastar1 no he’s not tbh

[@MustafaAhmadahmadmawia]

actually he is, he has 2 pending lawsuits please do better

[@essenceofsean2527]

Mustafa Ahmad no it’s not. Bruno isn’t being sued for Uptown Funk at all

[@ignuskritzinger3075]

I wonder if you call Timbaland a appropriator for all the middle-eastern samples he has used, performed by just about every well known black artist in the USA. Timbaland was also sued repeatedly for stealing beats without consent, from other cultures, so there you go. If you want to play this game, you will end up at the bottom because you don't seem to follow your logic to it's natural conclusion. Don't you see that integration requires appropriation?

[@yvettethomson8669]

We don't appreciate our own talents but prefer a talentless person for example like Karruche because of her looks. Alot of great and trained actors are not getting work. We as black folks love popularity instead of talents. Bruno is extremely talented and seems more appreciative of our culture unlike Justin, Pink, Miley, Kardashians etc

[@ifeoluwamuyide823]

I'm so proud of y'all finally getting your shine, hope many more opportunities like this come your way I love the show so much!

[@justtester_9962]

Salsa has African roots, doesn't it?

[@tobin2517]

"I Will Always Love You" is a song originally written and recorded in 1973 by American singer-songwriter Dolly Parton She re-recorded the song in 1982. She's a blond haired blue eyes white woman. Whitney Houston recorded her version of the song in 1992. Her single spent 14 weeks at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart making it one of the best-selling singles of all time. It also holds the record for being the best-selling single by a woman in music history. It eclipced the version of the original writer and perfomer even though Whitney was a black lady and the original was a southern white lady. People don't care about people's color when it comes to music. If the music is good then it's good. "Hound Dog" was written by two white guys, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. Recorded originally by Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton on August 13, 1952, in Los Angeles. Bruno has written songs for lots of black people.

[@YAMAMALUVMETOO]

That's right! Finally getting recognized

[@eon001]

Disappointed that there wasn't at least one voice of dissent to challenge the opinions on this panel.

[@jman1562001]

Basically it was everyone agreeing with everyone...that is not a conversation B!!!

[@icameisaws4829]

Exactly

[@eon001]

It's an echo chamber. I saw "Hot 97" an I expected to at least see Ebro, but it's basically part 3 of the Grapevine panel chat. In fact this is even worse because at least on the Grapevine panel there was some opposite opinions to spark a discussion.

[@tovolume]

Actually there is, the fans and celebrities like Shaun King, Charlie Wilson and others came to defend Bruno

[@icameisaws4829]

Mister Who I think he's talking about the people on the panel, not people on the outside.

[@familyfuntimeadventuretoyr5581]

no he didnt invent but he grew up with that era music....he is making good music again

[@knockout563]

We love the Grapevine, we love Ashley Akunna, we love the panel, Its so inspiring, I wish I could be a panelist so bad

[@shashavengesayi6055]

OMG YAAS! I remember Jameer is on radio

[@Only1Skrybe]

Bruno Mars didn't steal your couch. He came to your house and saw your couch and really liked it, so he went out and got one exactly like it. And everyone came to HIS house and said "what a great couch!" And now you're mad because his style isn't original. Well it isn't. But.... if he told everyone that he loved your couch and that's why he got one like it... Then.... Should we not blame the ones who put all the praise on him? Instead of the one who appreciates your style so much that he wants to imitate it? I feel like the focus is wrong. If you don't feel that Bruno Mars deserved an award for his music, then start with the fact that he didn't give the award to himself. Quit aiming at a possible ally and focus on the actual problem - the ones who love him while ignoring our culture.

[@loveleighstylez8853]

Excellent point

[@tripray2023]

Chris Napper I think that's what they were trying to do but people only focused on Bruno' s name being mentioned.

[@Luvmustangs37]

YESSSSS! Thank you! You are exactly right!

[@IphiaCarlene]

If you watched the original video....that is basically what they were talking about!!!

[@Only1Skrybe]

Rae C Word. No surprise that the media, even online, only wants to try and portray an angry black woman. So typical.

[@armoredup]

Cultural Appropriation? Damn....life must be good for someone to take offense to this "imagined" offense. We ALL take from other sources, whether apparent or not. It's not stealing unless you can prove it in court.

[@guavapastries2727]

Did this girl really say that the only reason why she likes his hair is because she’s seen it already?? For hair that naturally grows out of his head curly?? Are you serious?? And to be honest, what hasn’t been taken for inspiration or copied to a small extent?? Bruno isn’t even a bad guy, music culture won’t ever be exclusive to one people.

[@pcmacro]

This is what's wrong with the black movement. This isn't a discussion but a circle of "victims". Most of these points don't stand. What about Kendrick Lamar winning 4 grammys, including rap album of the year. How come we don't hear about that?

[@kawaichan3230]

Talent and carisma thats why Bruno is up,his music is good to ea rs people love him

[@sweetbabyboo5]

Great discussion, I wish ppl would actually listen to what's being said to understand instead of listening to respond.

[@ziaexplosivo7216]

3:01 - this is coming from a woman who self appointed her Japanese name. What about cultural appropriation again?

[@sashao.1534]

Yessssss seren should of been there 😂😂😂 whole reason why the Grapevine was trending in the first place, big up though to Ayesha, Ashley and my boo Donovan ❤️❤️❤️