The Great January Debate feat. Flats, Samito & Fareeha

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Timestamps
0:00 Opening Thoughts & S8 Feelings
12:30 Quick Play Hacked
34:20 Self-Healing Passive For All Roles
1:12:45 The Role of Supports In Overwatch
1:29:45 Party Frames
1:31:35 Map Voting & Ladder Experiences
1:55:50 Ranked Changes & Social Systems
2:15:25 Mini-Map & New Systems
2:33:30 Concluding Thoughts & Changes We'd Like

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[@MrTruth2410]

i want to make a prediction: since s9 add out of combat heal to every role, i ask how would they intuitively add this mechanic without extra visual clutter with particles/icons and how to make it easy to track for players, remember that experiment for ow2 beta when they try to balance for 5 vs 5 how much they need to nerf healing in combat and they give heal reduction % to find out that balanced spot, what if to encourage teamwork and encourage group teams for fights instead of brainless rush into fights 24/7 they would use out of combat heal passive to track when you in combat, so if your passive heal your supports can heal for full amount and you can reset hp fast, if its on cd you get healed only for ~60-70% so need now to stop a fight and regroup

[@slaiff.]

Hi! I've recently switched over from Spotify to Tidal for my music and podcast listening. I love listening to the podcast on my commute to class and just thought I'd bring it up. I've got no idea how much of a burden it is to post on Tidal as well, but for those of us who use it, we'd absolutely appreciate it ❤️

[@prestigiouschili7911]

1:50:05 Samito: “You know how to bring that back?” SVB: “Go ahead- Stacking?” Samito: “You didn’t even let me get my rant in” Best moment of the podcast 😂

[@johnsonspark171]

Stacking, smurfing, boosting, and one-tricking should be ENCOURAGED. Anything that makes people want to play the game will hopefully keep it from dying like it is right now. It's unreal how unfun OW2 is at the current moment

[@doublelizard767]

​@johnsonspark171 No, please don't normalize one tricking. I love hearing players give up when they check my profile and see im a Ram/Echo OTP

[@STRANGE_BRO]

​@@johnsonspark171 stacking one-tricking yes, smurfing boosting? No

[@SpekUL8Gaming]

Fareeha looks like she's in cyberpunk

[@cosmosxl326]

Ironic that I was just playing the game 😂

[@nailinthefashion]

She's getting so hot and cool but not in an oxymoronic way

[@solarscreams2447]

Yeah got that Judy going on

[@lush1us]

She IS cyberpunk

[@KidIcarus7923]

Fareeha suuucckkkssss

[@jonanderssunde]

This has been one of the best podcast episodes yet for sure. The social aspects of Overwatch is criminally neglected. In my opinion it's such an interesting topic and I would love if you guys on the podcast would talk more about it in the future as well!

[@davmandave]

I felt really spoken for when they talked about how toxic the game has become. I've had to play with chat off for half of OW2, because nothing good comes out of it. Players who say EZ outnumber the ones who say GG by like two to one. So why bother seeing any of it? Just turn chat off and go back to screaming into the void. And I'm glad I can see other people in the comments that feel something similar.

[@strawberrydialectics]

love fareeha's idea of being able to write a note for players you encounter. i've actually wanted this for so long, especially since i tend to forget who exactly is on my friends list and why i friended them.

[@Ajoi14]

Same!

[@entoeclipse4732]

As someone who mains lifeweaver and mercy, I feel as though supports should be one of two types. They should be able to take duels, or they should have mobility to leave. Having both is kinda iffy. There needs to be inconsitency if they have both.

[@STartist.]

Like Lucio. Mobility and duel potential but his weapon is hard to get value out of consistently AND he has low healing he's not a jack of all trades like kiriko

[@dadrako1581]

I feel like this could be widened. Dualing supports: supports that can get picks but typically have lower healing values and less team wide effectiveness and enabling supports: supports that keep their team alive and set them up to make plays.

[@endless_del]

​@dadrako1581 basically just every character should have a noticeable weakness.

[@nurikkulanbaev3628]

​@@STartist.Yet he has Utility that works GREAT WITH COORDINATED TEAM. And rewards coordination and teamplay. He is not selfish. Therefore balanced

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

What a bias statement..I want all support to play like the 2 support I play😂..No kiriko is a ninja with a potion that heals..She should fight teleport,kunai,suzu it's what ninja do..She is not some weak character hiding behind flowers flying away scare of people she is a warrior fighting gangs..

[@Junkfist]

I'm gonna make this podcast a drinking game. Take a drink every time: - Flats says he predicted something/has been saying it for months That's it. Enjoy your hangover.

[@izespo7983]

Yes. Good lord

[@Rio-un5jl]

Lol, looking through the comments to find this. Does he ever actually go through a talking point where he doesnt mention that he has been saying something since season 3 and then he turned out to be right?

[@insomniaddictesp]

He really hates to say, but he loves it

[@plimbopilled]

finally someone said this bruh hes been acting like this since ow2 came out acting like a prophet whos ahead of everyone else and thats just his entire contribution to any discussion regarding overwatch

[@YourBlackLocal]

Literally every time. It’s actually hilarious to see how he’ll work a topic into saying he predicted this.

[@focushehateme]

Everything changes when you realize it's Tom and Jerry, not Tom vs. Jerry. Awesome cartoon.

[@fentanylfrog8403]

Tom and Jerry truly are yin and yang when you think about it 🤔, wisest comment I’ve ever seen on a Group Up episode

[@mr.meeseeeks5544]

Is that a thing people thought? I always saw it as Tom and Jerry. Ah nevermind I understand. Big Sam used it.

[@piusdoe8984]

Wtf is Tom vs Jerry. Are you ok

[@rezq9109]

episodes where they group against third party were my favorite

[@duel2803]

who thought is was tom vs jerry

[@joshuataylor5080]

1:15:13 When Samito hits the nail on the head and Flats is just up there helping to stir the pot Samito is cooking with 🤣

[@krasmazov009]

I have a theory that the roles are basketball positions. Supports are guards, DPS are forwards, tanks are centers. Point guards control the offense and create the play that makes it easier for the team to win. Zen is the steph curry mold, he will shoot threes from downtown and create mismatches, Lucio is the Ja Morant mold he goes inside and crashes the enemy team for a play, etc. Supports should be the the point guards of Overwatch, not healing or like ability hoarders.

[@galev3955]

I just want to call out Jared on saying on the podcast that a big lesson for them was how they shouldnt just develop things in their ivory tower and then drop it into the game and expect everyone to love it; but they should test things out more openly, like with Mauga. Now QP hacked is a step in that direction which is good. But the huge game changes like the healing passive is just the same old thing, and they dont even say what the other changes will be. I hope they wont just toss it all into comp without some public testing.

[@Youknowmikekhan]

Id like for April fools if both teams could hear each other

[@bigfudge2031]

I want an April Fools change where High Noon increases Cassidy's movement speed, so you have Cassidy with High Noon chasing after you.

[@erikstark16]

It's so weird that stuff like prefer player, guilds and LFG is not in a so called team game

[@backstabber3537]

guild is not needed just promotes smurfing

[@josewolf9884]

LFG was on OW1 but got removed because some people used it for +18 stuff and the OW team didn't want to add moderation resources on that area.

[@erikstark16]

@@backstabber3537 How so?

[@erikstark16]

@@josewolf9884 even so, who cares? Why should the few hinder the many?

[@josewolf9884]

@@erikstark16 on top of the reputation that blizzard lawsuits left, imagine the scandals if the public discovered that ow lobbies were used for grooming or even worse things because they werent properly moderated

[@alyssachandler3634]

I like that they've all adopted a single finger raised to show they wanna speak XD

[@patonnight]

It's like they want us to play with training wheels. Everythings is passive, more passive. The game plays itself. My concern it's not about the Healing-Passive per se, but the adding on more passives overall, feels like they're dumbing down the game more and more (Something that has been happening since the release of OW2, but they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon and it worries me).

[@nailinthefashion]

But isn't it a dumb game? We have Mercy as a hero in general, Symmetra. Is it that much dumber that a Widow has to take the same amount of time to find a health pack vs corner peek and self recover? I don't think so

[@b23beatz]

To be honest if the timer is long enough it's not gonna matter will be nice when there are times where in game pinging for healing healers don't see and it's frustrating to die because of that when people don't play in chat anymore

[@damianateiro]

bro overwatch was always stupid there are mercy, moira and symmetra that can practically be played alone

[@TheRitva26]

I don't get these bronze players saying mercy and symmetra are proof it's a dumb game. maybe in their bronze rank it's enough to hold left click as mercy and symmetra's turrets do all the work but not in any rank above bronze lol these guys commenting are funny enough the reason they're dumbing the game down, because of bronze clowns like this who don't understand the game

[@turdbooger6051]

Blizzard dumbs down all of its games as they age. Also citing characters like Mercy as to why the game has always been dumbed down is asinine.

[@amgkv2.025]

I’ve been needing this to come out

[@Technically_Techy]

26:30 in splatoon 2 we had a pulp vs no pulp splatfest and everyone thought it was a boring theme, lol

[@rogue4340]

One of the most fun and informative podcasts I've watched in a while for sure, devs needs to take notes here

[@ccalvac18]

I saw this entire podcast live on Fareeha's channel, this one felt so special in terms of flow and the sheer depth of topics discussed. Absolutely wonderful, thanks again SVB 💙

[@thedofflin]

On Fareeha's point about lumping certain players together, I've suggested a clustering algorithm where at the end of a match you can select a teammate you'd happily play with again, or a teammate you'd prefer to avoid. Over time, the system would identify what kind of player cluster you belong to without knowing in advance the full list of preferences you might have. Basically just a recommendation algorithm that biases the matchmaker hopefully without increasing queue times too much.

[@ghidotheone]

I really enjoyed the social aspect of this episode. I’ve always said that the main difference between comp and QP is the ease in which the slurs star getting thrown at you. I made lifelong friends in OW1, and haven’t added a single person in OW2.

[@ryanhawkrider]

I gotta really agree with Fareeha that the characters are what really drive people's love behind the game, so just lore lore lore, characters interacting with each other, inside the game, outside the game, because I think we all get a different feeling when we're watching the cinematics, like you really care about the characters and the world, and anything to flesh out the world more is a BIG win. (and to see hanzo and cass making out)

[@johnsonspark171]

I don't know anybody that doesn't play in dirt division metal ranks that cares about "lore". The competitive players care about the competitive experience first and foremost

[@ryanhawkrider]

@@johnsonspark171 sounds boring, actual negative IQ take

[@THEM4RT1AN]

We need a toxicity queue where people who are reported often play with each other and not well behaved people. So they can fester in their own cesspool as punishment for being toxic and everyone else can enjoy the game.

[@l0kpcr397]

😂 I can just picture it being a bunch of Sombra haters, I say this because I was playing sombra in qp last night and this person was so upset about it, but they eventually switched to Sombra 🤣

[@johnsonspark171]

My last game of Sombra yesterday ended with a Mercy that I didn't let out of spawn just going off the deep end in chat. I reported her and she got banned this morning. Best moment of 2024 so far. Instead of cursing at me and calling me an incel in chat for camping her at spawn maybe she she have swapped to a hero that takes skill and could get out of spawn instead? But that never crossed her mind. Her profile was open and she had 3000 hours on Mercy and 150 hours on Lifeweaver in ranked. It was just sad to see such an unskilled player at the rank I play at. There was no way she wasn't e-date boosted. Honestly, Blizzard needs to do something about the e-date Mercy boosting. Those girls don't belong in Masters, they belong in Silver at most

[@RoyLeeLeeRoy]

That’s what endorsements were supposed to be when it initially came out.

[@eddybreezy]

Toxicity is an issue for all games because of one simple definition. What is the definition of toxicity? Banter? Responses? Lack of responses? Everyone has their own perceptions, and they can report you based on their opinons

[@THEM4RT1AN]

@@eddybreezy banter and toxicity are not similar. Especially when slurs are involved

[@Youknowmikekhan]

I really like fareehas take on matching ppl who talk

[@ryanmichael3125]

This year it feels like the dev team has been able to communicate what they're working on more efficiently, news almost every week about something coming up. It's refreshing to hear things even if it's just browsing twitter replies.

[@ytk3797]

I enjoy the longer episodes really let’s people get engage and clash in the conversations more

[@AbbyOW2]

Another great way to start a saturday morning, thanks for all your hardwork SVB and to the creators involved, cheers!

[@marcusgallagher6481]

Great podcast !! The eloquence in this group was very enjoyable

[@danielj6897]

Great as always! Thanks to SVB and the guests

[@Link2855]

The one thing I'll say about map votes is the same as with hero bans: they would need to be totally blind, and stacks should only get one vote. This is to avoid recognizing one-tricks on the enemy team or checking profiles to see most played heroes and banning the enemies' best heroes or good maps. All for voting, but make it blind.

[@sublimedhaze7792]

This is a good concept. Not sure about the specifics, but it's a good concept👍

[@calewilliams6967]

How did overwatch turn into the NFL?? Tanks are your linemen who get no love if you win, but get blamed for everything if you lose. DPS are your skill players (WR,RB,TE) and are divas out there just trying to make the flashiest plays possible and supports is the QB, being babied seven ways to sunday, making it so you can’t hurt them.

[@bigfudge2031]

I think a big issue that Overwatch has is a lot of abilities and ults just last too long and instead, they should give them shorter cooldowns. There should be more emphasis on timing abilities better rather than the "counterplay" be waiting around until the ability for the ability to finish. Bastion's turret form lasts for 6 seconds, if you can't do something in the first 4 seconds of it, then you aren't going to do anything in the last 2 seconds, it just means people spend more time waiting around. Lamp lasts 5.5 seconds, window lasts 10 seconds, and Kitsune lasts 10.5 seconds, all these abilities have their main impact within the first few seconds, if they didn't get impact, it is because they were used poorly and most likely the enemy team are just standing around a corner waiting for the ability to end (which just gives everyone time to get their abilities back)

[@micahfordkendall]

On the topic of whether or not the dev team rolls back changes, I'd say the biggest thing they rolled back was map pools.

[@KaGex_ow]

always love seeing how these turn out, i keep quoting ML when people think i'm doing to much damage, and The Hangover "support not healer" and "but did you die"

[@indeboss]

I'm surprised no one brought up the health packs question when it comes to discussing mini-maps. Obviously we don't want more clutter on our screen but being able to toggle health pack locations would be so helpful for beginners.

[@Aurora12488]

I strongly prefer an actual map key to a minimap. Make the M key bring up a map with all the health packs outlined and teammates' positions. It won't change the minute-to-minute gameplay but would be a great QoL addition for people that have the learn the 36(!!) maps in this freaking game.

[@slimsclanyt]

I love your podcast Svb❤❤ i listen all the time. Gets me through the night at work. Appreciate you

[@codydavis2375]

Love the content SVB thankyou!!

[@Anewlevel0091]

I feel like as far as the map voting goes I think if they kept the game mode random like it is now but before the game starts the call of duty system comes up and let's you pick between two maps or another random one.

[@FoxiestDuck]

I like the map voting idea. Even in QP, I like playing payload, but I'd rarely get it, and if I do, it's usually defence. I'd like slight chance of choosing a map I'd prefer to play or try. Just QP, having a prefered map option would be good, especially if we'd like practice certain maps we suck at. (Custom doesn't count)

[@jaedengarcia8249]

I think a good comparison for the support passive and other changes like that are that they are like training wheels and player base's skill/understanding of the game is like the bike. We started on a kiddy bike and the devs gave us training wheels while we learned how to ride it then we upgraded to adult bikes, then mountain bikes then BMX bike and now we are on a motorcycle and we STILL have the dang training wheels on!

[@reynauldwhistles2338]

Self healing gives non support players more power i see it as a tool to use, seeing it as training wheels feels weird to me like you are forgeting the enemy will also have regen and you will have less time to finish a kill.

[@jaedengarcia8249]

@reynauldwhistles2338 yeah I'm just talking about the training wheel stuff they did for supports at the beginning of OW2 like the support passive and bap being able to full heal when below 50% and zen kick etc. The passive going to everyone is something completely different, unexplored.

[@bleack8701]

1:33:50 yup, votemap. It has existed AT LEAST since CS1.6. There are 15 seconds left, menu popped up asking what map to go to next, you hit 1-4 and done. Sure, sometimes you vote for a random map because you meant to hit 2 to get the gun out, but that's just a minor thing that's kind of fun.

[@joegarrison5911]

1st half of S8: Mauga domination 2nd half of S8: Waiting for S9

[@forthe3136]

I agree almost every support can play into their “counters” and have an enjoyable time except zen. If you’re playing zen vs a decent sombra you will not have a good time and there is nothing you can do about it except swap.(only way it’s somewhat enjoyable is if you’re playing with another support who baby’s tf outta you but then your other 3 teammates are being neglected)

[@sublimedhaze7792]

As a Tracer/Sombra main Zen is both the easiest character to kill and the most valuable character to kill.

[@erikhendrickson59]

As a Gold/Plat DPS, I couldn't even identify the last game where we had a single player in voice chat.

[@nonipplenoah6179]

i haven’t heard someone say hello at the start of the game in plat since early season 2 games social status is dead compared to ow1

[@endless_del]

most of the time in plat no one talks, and 90% of the times that people are talking, it's pure flaming. miserable

[@gigiflame216]

Anyone else go back to see the samito ult charge epiphany clip? Absolute classic there

[@lukasg4807]

Timestamp?

[@cia4u401]

that eu nationality rant was the funniest bit on the podcast. reminded me of how things are down here in LA

[@bigfudge2031]

It's actually true and you get some super racist stuff being said sometimes. When you put people from all different nationalities and religions together in that environment, it happens. You get people from the UK all the way to Russia and down to the Middle East too. People can spend an entire game in voice chat speaking a different language, but when they want to talk Sh*t they always speak in English because they know everyone will understand it.

[@ikhalid1418]

man, overwatch's identity, for me at least, is the varied ways the different characters interact. we lost so much of that from 2019 going on. the more the game went on, the less and less freedom we had, and more meta focused the team combs became. even the metas became less and less varied over the years.

[@aaronstacey9612]

That last minute hit so hard…

[@Zyborgg]

Make the support passive start after 3sec instead of 2sec would help with the support issues a bit. Having 1 more second to punish them is a lot. That means they will have to hide even longer before they trigger the passive and can peek again.

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

I think everyone’s healing passive should be at least 3 sec.

[@CJ-jk9mp]

Don't think the game needs passive healing

[@eagerinspirit]

​@@CJ-jk9mp honestly it doesn't, but if they do decide to implement it then at least do it well.

[@Void-Knull]

@@CJ-jk9mp sure, it doesn't “need” it, but if it's implemented well it could be a huge QOL improvement

[@Takemebacktotheplusgamingera]

@@CJ-jk9mppassives are fine, it’s needed for certain supports who cannot heal themselves it sucks that’s its global role passive instead of individual hero’s. Think everyone would be fine with it if they removed it from hero’s that had a way to heal themselves or get out of jail/immortal ability.

[@Norrbaggen92]

Would love to see winrate in your profile on different maps in ow if they put in map picks. And when you get a match you can see the other teams total winrate on the maps so you can counterpick maps etc etc. It would be such a more rewarding feeling if you beat a 90% winrate team on kings row etc

[@RunningDownMidAsTechies]

My quick play queues were longer than the games themselves, it did not feel good to play in the slightest

[@tropicata]

QPH actually ended mid monday. I thought it was a neat experiment but it definitely went on too long. The way it was marketed gave the impression it'd be over in 2 days tops, but it wound up lasting for almost double that, which soured a lot of people.

[@dacr8928]

funny i heard the windows tone and thought my computer was shitting the bed.

[@valocrazy]

A good point about the counterswapping being dampened by the faster respawns

[@MansterBear]

It always amazes me when people are so worried about what others say in chat. I've had "toxic" people, I've had complainers, etc. Just mute them if it bothers you. How can that ruin your "whole day of gaming" because someone was toxic? I dont think ive ever muted anyone on this game, unless theyre just spamming music or something, but if I was thin skinned enough to be really bothered by someone being toxic, I'd just mute them. It's just weird to think "this person said things I don't like... they shouldn't be allowed to play this game at all, ever!"

[@thesquirtlesquad8446]

21:21 I agree it may have went a bit long, but maybe this may have been intentional. Monday was a holiday so a lot of people had the day off. So it still felt to me that yes I was sick of it, but at least tomorrow I had no work to maybe get a session in.

[@endless_del]

dps have actually had 3 passives. first was the movement speed, then it was retaining ult charge on swap which they just made universal in beta 2, and then they gave them reload speed.

[@zxspex1452]

For the map discussion, I think they should do what siege does. 5 maps and both teams ban 2(or the same map) or there could be a quick elimination process

[@lukasg4807]

The games aren't long enough to need map voting. Map voting would just make it always be the same maps.

[@zxspex1452]

@@lukasg4807 It would be a selection of 5 maps and randomized, wont be the same 5 every game cuh

[@lukasg4807]

@@zxspex1452 Yeah, and it will be the most popular getting picked every time. Like CS2 where it's just mirage simulator

[@spacecowboy7193]

I don’t super hate zen kick, but it’s ridiculous that he has a better Lucio boop with no cooldown. Lucio has to wait 3 seconds and it doesn’t boop as far or do as much damage. That’s ridiculous.

[@Bismarck9871]

To be fair zen has to get close and has 0 movement unlike crazy speed run frog dj

[@spacecowboy7193]

@@Bismarck9871 yeah, but like, that’s zen’s thing vs Lucio’s thing. One has speed and boop. The other has DPS and dumpsters tanks. Giving one a boop every .5 seconds While the one known for the boop gets a worse one every 3 is odd.

[@Phillip_Viera]

47:44 - quick play hacked would be an excellent way to try changes!!

[@seba6326]

Thankkk youuuu been waiting on this 🙏

[@davidkatula6275]

My problem with quickplay is that it's at a 1-3 intensity and ranked is at a 8-10. Quicker play was at like 5-7 (or at least the speed made it feel that way) so I could take a break from comp but still feel like I was playing. I liked it

[@trevitone1111]

If I'm gonna be honest, I watch content about Overwatch and haven't been on Overwatch for awhile now. It's just more fun to watch it then actually play it now (especially the changes with the shitshow that brings)

Dear editor, please put a compressor over the sound channels, some of us want to keep our hearing.

[@controlfreak2112]

@flats ask cactuspuppy to make a cusotm game with the so called self heal passives

[@cantbelieve5231]

Isn’t it coincidental that they are giving the sound off for all roles getting passive healing with venture’s release. The burrowing, invulnerable hero?

[@CyberDemon1]

Big thing they missed was that the movement speed running from spawn back to point factors in a lot if the cart is moving faster or control is capturing faster. Individual movement speed meant a lot and that was what made it truly unbalanced for me

[@Kildain717]

I will also say, I like some of the tank characters but I find the role feels shitty. I never queue as tank because it’s just so frustrating to play as that role now. How do they fix it? No idea but it’s need to be a higher priority.

[@the-real-pawook]

My biggest problem with Flats is in his way of describing Unranked (proper name btw) from his "competitive player" standpoint. So many people told him already, even OW acknowledged, that most people play Unranked and they play it as their main game mode. Not as a distraction from their ranked loose streak or to have an easier or quicker game mode. I would appreciate if he'd stop treating Unranked as an arcade mode just because he thinks comp is superior

[@d4mephisto]

Sam, it's ok. Some days when my feet are cold and I'm working from home, I put on two close-but-not-identical socks. It is what it is bro. You're all good man.

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

Maybe the time was too long, but it was just one weekend. It was 3 days Friday-Monday. I loved qp hacked stomps felt better, push felt better, respawn time was fun, flashpoint was more or less the same, I actually liked control, but it, hybrid, and payload need time changes.

[@toxicfpv304]

Talking about diving zen. Man that sounded so much fun. Pick a zen and repeat dying the whole game.

[@osimi18]

@1:58:00 Phareeah's suggestion about voice chat is good, but the reporting system seems more weaponized than useful

[@Technically_Techy]

16:00 i think swapping needed to be a thing where once you died you immediately needed to know who to swap to. I feel like with time that could become normal to players but bc this was all new people wern't used to the fast respawns but ima noob who doesn't even have ranked unlocked but I agree with flats that some objectives were to fast but it needs some tuning and it'll be fine. I really hope it comes back and stays in the game.

[@BrandonCole-sc7pq]

the goofiest part of the support passive is that unlike paladins they cab still be using abilities and shooting while passively healing. how noone has spoken on this is crazy.

[@josephreynolds2401]

They peek wall, get damaged and they're ways full health when you see them again. Every. Single. Time. It's a problem.

[@100austinpepp]

Best way to implement a map picker in OW is to have the game pre-select 3-5 maps from a couple modes and then let the lobby vote.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

The same maps would get picked over and over. Map voting systems have never been great for variety. A 1 time vote to veto would be the best route. Game picks the map but if 6/10 players veto then it randomly selects another map like Halo 3.

[@postyoda1623]

Regarding the philosophy behind support, speaking from my own experience, I'm not queuing up so someone else can play the game. Healing is and should be a secondary utility of supports, and maybe you have a hero or two who has it as the main utility for those who want that play style, and that comes with the problem that if healing as a utility is worth more then those heroes will always be meta; and this is the problem we have in lower ranks because in lower ranks people stand in the middle of the map, don't move and change positions and have no qualms about eating damage so in that play style healing seems much more important (which it isn't if you want to climb, that's just an illusion) and that's why lower ranks always ask for supports who have healing as main utility. I don't know how this problem can be overcome in lower ranks, because people will always play like that in lower ranks, that's why they are lower ranks.

[@shelbyrenshaw8136]

Map choice: I like most of the maps, so I don’t want map locks. I love the variety. I fear that if you had a certain amount of control over the maps you play, you’d have to specialize in certain maps to climb, which I think would be worse.

[@flyingfajitas]

I love playing in EU for that exact reason.

[@supertinydino]

The one thing I want added to Overwatch is a mode or something where we can't switch characters, I know mystery heroes is kind of like that, but I just want to be able to play quick play and not have to get counterpicked all the time. I just try to learn reinhardt or something and get counterpicked to Rammatra and Bastion immediately. It just get annoying sometimes. I understand ranked, but quickplay I'm just tryna chill.

[@mr.beetey4757]

Quicker play felt really bad to play, but I think the biggest problem with it was the toxicity. People were flaming each other almost every match and people were leaving games again like they did prior to the QP punishment system.

[@WarlogicGaming]

Guilds/Clans would honestly be really cool. I have only a couple of friends that play, and they only play on Friday nights. I want other people that I can group up with and have fun, but it's hard to make friends when no one ever talks in your games.

[@asianlim3000]

SVB carrying the content till Season 9

[@masterchiefyoumind]

Could try having voice chat ban penalties be on any accounts that have signed in recently to your device and any new accounts that sign into the battle net launcher for like a month? Idk I'm just trying

[@advancegeo2986]

the point around 12:00 where they talk about not taking the game too seriously is where ive been at in games for a couple years now i used to be a hardcore destiny 2 grinder i would play all the raids dungeons strikes exotic missions pvp etc every week and try to do them all instead of just engaging with what i enjoy and then peacing out and that lead to burn out now whenever i start getting frustrated or ticked off i just hop on overwatch i hop on fortnite just swapping games and playing in a chill fun somewhat relaxed group enviroment with friends has lessened my boredom and burn out rate on games by like tenfold, at the end of the day if im not enjoying the games i will not play them and this type of mindset makes it way easier to enjoy the games for what they are instead of needlessly begging for changes and tweaks that may or may not come

[@engineergaming3830]

yeah I agree with the support thing the fact that bap can just have 600 hp in a 1v1 or kiri who can just jump in,kill someone and just go through 6 walls like nothing ever happened

[@Tarvanak]

Zen was fun as shit in dive. Discord the Winston and right click the tracer. Felt so good killing tracer or wining the duel against the other zen if you could find him.

[@legendaryslay2644]

Guilds would be so cool, and could naturally come with guild wars and smaller ladders within the guilds

[@galev3955]

Could also be a great solution to the whole stacking issue and the new "stack queue" they were talking about at Blizzcon

[@LittleLilith481]

Hear me out on this one. I know Sam and a few other people discussed about adding counter play to kiriko with things like can’t tp when taking damage or needing LOS to tp. But I think LOS would nerf her too hard so I think if they add where u can’t tp if u are taking damage would add nice counter play when fight kiriko. It would also indirectly nerf Suzu so kiri would need to use it on herself more or would use both her suzu for the invulnerably so she can then tp out. Getting supports to use their abilities more for themselves would be a great way to indirectly nerf all the supports

[@erikrulez17]

2:08:35 more friends in the first one, because the game was more relaxed in regards to who held more power over the games., The real issue was double shield & nothing made to remedy the situation. such as an off tank role or not letting it so there would only be one tank with a shield at a time. Also they made these maps for 6v6 not 5v5.

[@erikrulez17]

19:30 yes. I hate that about other games. At least in OW I may run into a bad game, but at least it's only 10mins at worst. unlike league where I can be held hostage. It's also the only fps that works for my computer, and I find the most compelled to play on a regular basis. I'm bronze 5. I don't wanna say losers Q is real, but I sure see a whole lot of win trading & lose trade going on in my games.

[@stabyourcat]

I find it hard to fully take their opinions seriously. I respect them all but they all have to be incredibly jaded after playing primarily this game for 7 years straight. Not only that, but making content, doing podcasts, etc. it’s gotta be draining.

[@auzyosborne9401]

I’ve stopped talking in comms when I got silenced for the first time. Many people who play suppport with reports you for abusive chat if you ask for healing more than once. I just don’t want to get silenced or risk an actual ban because people playing (I’m low rank) can’t handle being asked for healing.

[@crimsonsflaw]

Why not for a mini map I hate walking back into a wall

[@geminimaxxim]

Just like how you know Overwatch is in a bad state when there's drama on Twitter, I feel like you can also tell Overwatch is cooking something when Sam gets this passionate on the podcast.

[@njuns999]

Amazing as usual, would love to see ML7 in the next podcasts though!

[@williehawkinsii4845]

One thing I didn't like about quicker play but for some reason when I was playing tank I kept dying cuz everybody else what's breaking away from me and dying

[@insomniaddictesp]

It’s really hard to get leadership to understand that engagement generates revenue. They don’t observe that flow so they just think, oh, if we give this content for free we get nothing back which is simply just not true. You get attention, you get people to come in, some of those people become dedicated again. What you gain is an increase in your earning potential, rather than a sku in P&L, which is much more valuable.

[@buffhorses3632]

38:12 Why is it surprising that supports die last? That's the whole goal of playing support. To position yourself and manage your cooldowns so that you are the last to die so you can support your team as long as possible. Is support too strong? No. Are some support hero's too strong? God yes. I want to play Lucio again please.

[@fsdeadshot5258]

I think passive benefits make the game less fun. Make the player think more and manage cool downs. Instead of having all these things happen passively without you thinking. I also hate immortalities entirely.