THE GREATEST YU-GI-OH! DECK OF ALL TIME!

Uh, after Tearlament.
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[@canyouwavedash3298]

"Tearlament, Snake-eyes, Link-1 Fiendsmith? Come on Joseph, let's head back to Slifer dorms to get your game on with E Hero Clayman!"

[@DracoSenpai420]

With a clay body built to last

[@Lime_Slushy]

Joseph talking about tear is like DBZ fans talking about how Goku could no diff everyone.

[@gz7006]

And both are correct

[@DrDrao]

​@@gz7006Have you seen Bobobo?

[@internetgoat4831]

​@@gz7006 He couldn't even get past Superman 😂😂😂

[@phillytothej4001]

The thing is that IshTear is hands down the best deck ever. There was no combination of 5 cards that wouldn't get you into a full combo scenario

[@TheTicatic10]

@@DrDrao Dawg Bobobo Bo Bobobo (say it right) had Yugi Moto HIMSELF on call and DM aint beating Tear OR goku. Idk what to say dawg.

[@Mr7tv]

That Self Destruct Button with Transaction Rollback sounds like one of the worst things to experience

[@pennyyurisa5274]

"Oh you think I'm losing?" "NO BITCH WE LOSING"

[@AwesumVloggin]

in like 5 years when we finally catch up, this will be my villain arc in my group progression series

[@hi123452008]

You also need a way to lower your LP - Rollback ignores costs, but not activation conditions.

[@sambrown9475]

Bruh i had the same reaction as Mbt 🤣😭

[@Miguel-gf7sq]

@@pennyyurisa5274just out of curiosity, since its so rare, what would happen in a ycs in scenario where this combo is legal, if the best lf three ended in a draw?

[@OFranzy]

The people yearn for the masochist ban list tournament

[@M.W.2]

This

[@halyoalex8942]

I mean yeah, what format was the last one played during? I don't think Tear even EXISTED back then

[@donaldlivingston75]

@@halyoalex8942 I think you're right or at least not the Ishizu variant. Tragically, Ishizu Tear as it was played IRL could probably wipe off every single deck in that tourney with significant margin. The next version of that will probably not even unhit any of that decks bans.

[@animationtv426]

omg yes! whens the next one?

[@donaldlivingston75]

@@animationtv426 we don’t know yet.

[@NerdByAnyOtherName]

Yeah, the fact that Ishizu Tear is a graveyard deck (shutting down the usefulness of hand rip effects) that natively hoses other, less resilient graveyard decks (due to the Ishuzu cards) that also is highly active even on their opponent's turns (which screws with most of the FTK options) kinda puts it at the top of the pile, arguably getting better the more powerful the other decks in the format are because it is both highly capable of pulling off bullshit and highly efficient at stopping the opponent from pulling off bullshit

[@DuxDamnatio]

That's why the strat isn't to make them discard, you make them shuffle! Shoutouts gishki!

[@nightwish7074]

"We can't consider Tear" Proceeds to consider Tear on every single suggestion

[@antonbrown17]

Was thinking the same lol

[@peterpanther23]

Its "not consider tear" as in don't put it as an answer. In a hypothetical banlist format of course tear would be present

[@ColgatetheTogekiss]

I actually did a no-banlist format and self-destruct button with transaction rollback wasn't the problem... it was LAST turn, with a specific setup using the appliancer field spell, breakerbuncle, and laundry dragon to win the battle phase. Along with playing 8 trillion draw spells, called by, droll and crossout, and obviously last turn and rollback (discarded with painful choice/graceful charity), it was... a problem. Going second you can just side out last turn for self destruct button, add in droplets and dark rulers, and just try to tie every game you go second. It's horrendous.

[@StriiderEclipse]

that’s SO funny though

[@kitsunewarlock]

Transaction Rollback into Last Turn...

[@morecrafty247]

This is one of the greatest deck ideas I've ever heard. Warcrime turbo

[@shuttlecrossing7084]

Last Turn can only be activated during your opponent's turn.

[@morecrafty247]

@@shuttlecrossing7084 So activate it on the opponent's turn using rollback?

[@cheezuschrist588]

Rollback doesn't respect activation restrictions since its effect becomes the effect of the card, rather than actually activating it. That's how it works with the mayakashi trap

[@Xenonfuji]

​@@cheezuschrist588rollback DOES respect restriction/conditions. What rollback doesn't respect is cost. Mayakashi trap's "condition" is actually not a condition, but instead a cost

[@philgoad5587]

Considering how many times it's broken MBT's masochist ban list tournaments, Im surprised there's no love for True Draco

[@eu4um]

The fucked up thing about his massochist lists is he keeps giving True Draco shit back, and they keep topping or winning, AND THEN HE FORGETS THEY CLEANED HOUSE SIX MONTHS LATER WHEN HE DOES ANOTHER ONE.

[@rocapbg9518]

True Draco was only successful like 4 years ago, the deck has been powercrept to shit

[@minifeebas8911]

​@@eu4umim pretty sure that's intentional for content

[@nbassasin8092]

THANK YOU, I was suprised no one mentioned it, plus, it is arguably the best control deck ever, that can also run a lot of boardbreakers, in format where evrything tries to combo or FTK, and that would give it a very significant niche and edge on the rest of the popular choices Id say its the 3rd best deck ever, behind D-link, but just because youre matchup is very determined on what you are running and what you drew but in theory, it can beat any deck ever with the right hand

[@StriiderEclipse]

I posted True Draco in the thread, he skimmed over it saying “sometimes you gotta go second”

[@loiseauxmort9568]

Now we need a tournament where people actually fight to figure this question out

[@victikirby15]

Some kind of… Cup Across the Banlist…

[@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686]

Technically Farfa's Last Card Standing series had it in the first episodes... Tear beats everyone

[@guardiannorth]

It’s almost always the following: 1) Tear/Ishizu 2) Zoodiac 3) Exodia

[@lordradiance2530]

the problem with getting unofficial youtuber held tournaments to find this out is thats its usually not labbed out. its just "x deck but at full power and i play the broken staples". Nobody is going to actually lab out an imaginary format like that

[@cynthiacrescent]

​@@guardiannorthexodia blows BC it can't go 2nd and going first it's just worse scientist ftk every time

[@Meme-pg5tw]

hey my post actually got read i was the centurion poster in there, there is some stuff that i did not mention in that post, how you could make things like baronne via the bystials, you can make seals for koaki meiru drago(auxila atrii and gargoyle all are dragons) you can make light dark chaos angel, you have innate time cards, and none of it locks you so you can theoretically do a lot more, you can even use the superheavy samurai engine to get regulus for more negates and starters letting you play through more 1 for 1 handtraps

[@DrAiPatch]

@@Meme-pg5tw couldn't you also add some adamancipator lines in centurion ?

[@xuspirahopte5549]

Yeah yeah, we see the pfp. You just like mecha girls. (Centurion is a very considerable answer though. Each monster has three relevant effects.)

[@chewdoom8415]

I just don't see it beating everything else

[@alexandrubragari1537]

20 hts can do a lot of work and blazar is a good card in grind games so its not impossible. Also calamity if you go first is an ftk as many others but more consistent and backed up by hts. i would still think that shs is more consistent then centurion and do the same things

[@SaragossiDeer]

​@@chewdoom8415 What the guy described all means that centurion is one of the top picks to beat Tear unironically Load up with a lot of bystials + handtrap spam + innate immunity to the ishizus, all means that you can hand diff tear a lot With phalanx you stop the fiendsmith engine so that they cant find beatrice/kaleido through handtraps and you will end up good

[@Lu_Kitsuray]

MBT: "No tearlaments of course" Also MBT: "Your deck loses to tear tho!"

[@snusnuterrordome]

“It’s gonna be tear, isn’t it? We’re gonna get there and it’s gonna be tear.”

[@travismacpherson3318]

Alright jackoffs listen up, the names Kaleido Heart.

[@henrymaler8678]

…..strong possibility.

[@pretends2know]

I paid enough attention to enough OCG No Banlist Tournaments (being OCG is relevant) to say that Isizhu Tear is really good, but it has the highest floor, not the highest ceiling of the entire card pool. OCG no banlist tournaments soured because Dragon Link took over the format, not Isizhu Tear. What the OCG figured out is that Dragon Link could consistently set up Dragon Link Go Second OTK's, and thanks to how surrendering works (worked at the time?) in the OCG, these go second OTK's were match killers because they won the game with Victory Dragon.

[@LS-qs9ju]

And that's before a very recent (like, several months ago) rule change in OCG, that allows people to surrender early.

[@chrisburns9898]

At about 6:17 he’s brings up that gumblar might discard tear names and accidentally set up the tear player with the handrip, and while that is a relevant argument, it also would prob be very easy to sequence the combo so you handrip after the iblee is set up, meaning you can prevent the fusions, as well as stopping kelbek and agido. Just something worth considering.

[@edymiguel4247]

It basically depends on what is discarded and how the tear deck is built. If the discards are tear cards, gumblar wins. If the discards are kelbek/agido, tear could play some of the 'if sent to gy, search card from deck' or 'banish from gy, search from deck' and just search the outs (like the field spell searchable with trivikarma + shuffler) And if the gumblar deck goes second...

[@savvydruid5430]

ideally youd just summon azathot some time during the turn right

[@OyVeey]

​@@savvydruid5430or just, idk, make Dweller? That's generally how gimmick handrip decks play around GY effects

[@edymiguel4247]

@@chrisburns9898 while the correct answer is both, do consider that tear also plays turn 0 hand effs (havnis, keldo, orange light), and thats only on game 1. Game 2 onwards, side decks are included

[@darkjak565]

I was not at all prepared for the MBTyler the Creator opener

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

D-Link might be the deck to give Tear a run for it's money in an unlimited format. The main deck is probably still stuffed with Bystials giving them the great answer to Tear, it's all gas no breaks play style means it could go band for band with Tear, and would put up crazy uncrackable boards with access to cards like Elpy, Agarpain, Chaos Ruler, and Eclipse Wyvern if left unchecked. I'd love to see a tournament like Last Card Standing with no banlist, but on a different platform so people can truly go nuts with the decks without worrying about crafting points.

[@animationtv426]

funny thing is, dlink can play under shifter plus has bystials to mess up tear

[@JustDatOneGuy]

the title should be "the 2nd best deck of all time"

[@7thHourFilms]

Arc-V's backstory showed that Z-arc had the tier 0 deck that dominated everyone who crossed his path. And that deck was... Odd-Eyes Dragon Turbo. Like he was the best before he got the other 3 dragons and fused. So, he could probably beat Tear.

[@Deathmare235]

So he had PePe

[@Eiji475]

Nekroz was only tier 0 because of Djinn. After it was banned it just became a good deck among the other 3 decks of BA, Shaddoll, Tellarknight etc.

[@ashikjaman1940]

IshTear is officially the Incineroar of Yu-Gi-Oh

[@MysticFactorG-ODO]

So Nekroz is Zacian

[@screwtokaiba]

​@@MysticFactorG-ODOProbably Charizard(SS). Zacian actually managed to get a world win. Zard despite being a tier 0 super threat failed to get world although im not sure if covid plays a part in that

[@rickmel-q7m]

@@screwtokaiba so blue-eyes is pachirisu

[@bluekirby_64]

Nobody tell SilverFangyVGC

[@MysticFactorG-ODO]

@@screwtokaibaZacian probably had the biggest fall off in Pokémon history lol

[@anarchyinthegalaxy]

I'm glad someone posted about Adamancipator. I played it when Master Duel introduced Tearlament. 60 cards with the Ishizu monsters, Fairy Tail Snow, Grass, and of course Block Dragon. I don't know if it was better than Tear, but it was fun to play against Tear

[@empresscarrie6230]

i too played that and it was absolutely insane especially with braver. it went so hard and when it got banned i took a small break from ygo

[@Fluffal_Enthusiast]

Fluffal, obviously. Best deck of all time

[@MonGerrito]

The Last Will sliding in scared the shit out of me 😂 Why was it so loud

[@lagartijamuerta]

10:25 me when there’s a line

[@f.b.iagent3971]

The idea of “You could take Delinquent Duo off of the banlist” is just Joseph showing his own Tear Bias, he’s just in that mindset of “Well if Tear’s the best deck, then your hand being in the GY is a GOOD THING”, it still sucks when the best deck isn’t so GY reliant Admittedly, it COULD come of the banlist, but so could Snatch Steal in 2015 (I think that’s when it was)

[@victikirby15]

Oh boy, ten minutes of MBT glazing Tear!

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

He's like a Joey fan.

[@papernes]

Thank you! Tiaraments strongest!

[@EeveeReturn]

Wait, if we're adding the criterion of "by a specific pilot", I'm throwing in Plants here.

[@Endershock1678]

For how funny it sounds, Tear aside, the best deck is probably Zoodiac. Ratpier's non HOPT E-Tele combined with the series of Konami Bad Decisions known as the Rank 4 Pool, you can probably actually get away with playing like 25 hand traps and only 15 engine, and still loop with Daigusto Emerald, lock your opponent out of the game with Shockmaster, Dweller before Havnis even has a chance to activate with Barrage (assuming they don't open Herald or Tear Kash), clap back with a giant Zeus, or if they get interrupted, just sit on hand traps. There's a reason this is consistently one of the big threats of no ban list tournaments, usually 2nd behind the obvious. It's like 6 Samurai, but they don't scoop as soon as they get stopped on Gateway and has room for handtraps, and can afford to play Shifter. Ah, I can't loop Ratpier, oh well, I'll just crash and make a giant Zeus and Dweller.

[@andrejv.2834]

Some of those no banlist ocg zoo lists played just 6 zoos in 3 barrage and 3 rat since that's basically all you need, with some ishizu cards as those are rank 4 extenders and counters against tear Although zoo isn't that great at putting 3 level 4s on the field at once so they aren't really a shock master turbo deck like tear was in this format

[@wolfgod6443]

The only option for the ultimate winner is Des Feral Imp turbo because all 40 copies will finally be legal in Celtic Guardian format and is the only deck that can be played besides the objectively inferior Feral Imp turbo, winning by default. This format persists in all timelines and thus takes every era of Yugioh into account, meaning victory is constantly assured.

[@GameFreakuser]

I would say that Tear, Dragon Link, and anti-meta Zoo would be the best decks in an unlimited format. I don't need to explain about Tear, Dragon Link beats out Warrior Pile since it has Eclipse Wyvern, and anti-meta Zoo can play all the game-ending handtraps while still doing their combo.

[@lloydbagby8355]

It not jest eclipse wyvern it also darkmatter combined with 3 call by and along with touch generic negats

[@Endershock1678]

D-Link is good, but unlike some other strats, it really hates giant haymaker boardbreakers like Droplet and DRNM, so I feel it would be much easier to side against. That said, it was one of the power players against Tear in no banlist tournaments because Eclipse Wyvern is nuts, so it's definitely top 5.

[@andrejv.2834]

Those were the top 3 in early 2023 no banlist tournaments, although we also have snake eye now and they can certainly beat all of those as they're just zoo but stronger Although they can't play banish floodgates like zoo did in those tournamnets

[@Ragnarok540]

No banlist Dragon Link would eat alive Tear, and I say this as someone who loves Tear.

[@hieumai4325]

Lol, multiple No ban lists tournament has been taken place, and Tear always is the best deck. You need to do more research lol, not just vibes.

[@lotus_emanon]

I love Tear and Tear format, but holy shit isn't it annoying how every no banlist top deck discussion always devolves to "which deck can counter Tear the hardest while still having plays" This is also why I hate speedsters in VS debates. All interesting discussions on character strengths and match ups got invalidated by "speed blitz gg ez" 😢

[@claudio6391]

The thought of Ryzeal having access to Azathoth, Rhongomydiad and Shockmaster is very much terrifying

[@eridenmajesti8794]

wait till Joseph realizes that this idea for a tournament makes a great video that has been done before but we'd all watch anyways because he'll say bussy somewhere

[@SquibbyJ]

Totally agree on the Nekroz/DAD thing. I feel that the core gameplay idea of DAD Return survives in the Dragonlinkage. Repeated removal, graveyard and banishment setup and manipulation, and grindy advantage engines all have retro and modern examples while Nekroz’ cycling type mechanics do not hold up well.

[@kokorikopi]

You say "what if they mill a piece", I say "what if they mill an OCG pre-errata Sangan." It's Exodia. Legitimately I think it's like Tear 60 Exodia 30 Zoo 10.

[@RanDoomPuff]

I have seen no banlist tournaments and let me tell you dragon link does actually stand up to tear. Not only is the engine insanely strong with banned cards it also just plays bystials as engine which means it has a naturally good tear matchup.

[@SatanicWren]

While somebody did mention Guardragon, im very surprised to see nobody mention the Thunder Dragon variant specifically. With all the extra consistency tools both released after the decks existence like Fiendsmith and Bystials as well as the released banned cards like Painful Choice and Last Will, the deck no longer needs to rely on hitting Dangers to play, plus the deck is capable of playing under Shifter well enough to play it itself, access to Snow, Eclipse Wyvern, Dimension Fusion, and Level Eater mean it can just do whatever the fuck it wants, you can consistently S0 lock with Beatrice, N95 enables Goliath lock, Protos call Dark, Union Carrier lock, Azathot, really whatever you want on top of being able to Apo in under 5 and the Colossus and free negates off Guardragons. Hell post side you can search Macro/Royal Oppresion/Imperial Order based on the matchup thanks to Gryphon. No Mr4 also means the deck is much less restricted than it was in 2019, which makes several choke points dissapear and Guardragons way easier to manage. Its consistent, can play through the non-engine, can play all the vital Tear killing non-engine, adaptable, and very strong

[@Kylora2112]

Yeah, Nekroz is literally just Djinnlock. And now there is a ton that can easily stop that. Nekroz has been at full power (minus Releaser) for a while and while it's mega consistent...it's consistent in getting you stuff that doesn't do anything.

[@TransLatios]

Ok but I love the Jubilife Village background music.

[@ickybobclay26]

I couldn’t pit my finger on that song. Thanks

[@MysticFactorG-ODO]

I noticed that too

[@nathanmurillo1767]

Greatest Yu-gi-oh deck? Whichever rogue deck i’m going x-2 with at locals obviously Hold up GHOSTRICK THO

[@dabbingtoast7743]

Didn't that series Farfa is running kinda show it was: -Ishizu Tear -Kashtira -An unholy amount of FTKs -Everything else

[@GodzillaFreak]

Master duel doesn't actually have all the cards

[@midn8588]

That format is missing like a very important chunk of the cardpool

[@vendanger]

Even with the reduced cardpool (no broadbull, magical scientist, etc), I suspect kash only did so well because of how much easier it is than something like dlink

[@Slenderman3222]

I'd say despite not having a few cards craftable, Last card standing was still very accurate. People are so quick to overvalue certain cards just because they're banned and they never even tried them. The only relevant cards missing were Magical scientist and eclipse wyvern

[@jacobjensen7704]

Don’t forget dragons.

[@wario1226]

I like how his argument against Floo is "just draw the out". Full power floo goes CRAZY crazy.

[@davincameron7627]

As much as I hate Kashtira calling it bad because it loses to the things 80% of decks lose to is crazy. The deck really only lacks draw power and in an unlimited format that is thrown out the window.

[@brendanread3192]

Oh yeah, Joseph? What if I just clone you to give White Aura it's much needed support? What then?

[@surtr2538]

Exodia incarnate with 15 total pieces of exodia

[@arreeffe3317]

Exodia deck with 3x pot of greed, 15 pieces, 3x graceful charity, 3x upstart...etc

[@TKDragon75]

Just saying, farfa ran an unlim tournament. And in that format I beat unlimited tear with unlimited sharks. So I mean, the facts kinda speak for themselves.

[@Izanagi22]

7:27 It's been a VERY long time since I've played Yugioh, and I was hoping if someone could explain how this combo works that would elicit this kind of reaction.

[@Bob12649]

Transaction rollback can copy the activation effect of any normal trap in your graveyard

[@eu4um]

One of my most strong opinion overlaps with Joey Roths is the opinion that Eclipse Wyvern is one of the single strongest generic dragon cards of all time.

[@robertbauerle5592]

Did they not bring up victory dragon match-TK? The OCG did some full power no-banlist tournaments a year or so ago, during the height of full power ishizu tear. While ishizu tear did win the first one, and commanded the highest representation among top cut for both, dragon link abusing victory dragon for match-TK's actually won the second (I believe? It either won the second tournament or came second at the second tournament). It's just full power dragon combo, but losing the die roll doesn't matter because the game you go first and auto-win, you just search and kill them with victory dragon to make sure you only need to win 1 out of the three games.

[@drewbabe]

That's brilliant but only works with OCG rules where you can't scoop.

[@Grantedtoast]

Your opponent can just concede on attack declaration and it’s just a red eyes with 3k defense.

[@kindredclawthorne]

this does not work in reality, you can concede at instant speed whenever they WOULD attack for match.

[@kindredclawthorne]

dragon link WAS and is currently the 2nd best deck in that format though

[@defectivesickle5643]

@@Grantedtoast Here’s the thing. In OCG events, at least in Japan, you can’t concede

[@nashcifer5666]

These Mermaids got Joseph acting up, he be glazing IshTear hard

[@plusplay2575]

Why did everyone forget about tyrant Neptune ftk existing?

[@nanodose]

This guys has a duelist kingdom ahh deck and Goku shows up with Ishizu Tearlaments

[@KikiCatMeow]

DLink and Tear fight for first while Zoo takes second, everyone suffers

[@Lichking_3929]

you have done masochist and unbanned almost everything, but would you host an actual no ban list tournament? all ive heard of it is that "it happened once in japan" and "we tried it at home", but i dont remember ever seeing one being actually being documentet, and played out where it wasnt rushed like the japan one

[@DarkeLourd]

4:57 Dragon Link with no restriction does have an incredible list of tools, but you know what I didn't see anybody mention, despite possibly being their most impactful? Victory Dragon.

[@AndrewCrimefighter]

People mentioned it in the thread. But the thing about Victory Dragon is it doesn't work if you abide by the normal tournament rules for yugioh. Your opponent can scoop at any time so they just scoop before Victory Dragon can activate in any scenario where it would activate

[@kusanagi-no-tachi5303]

​@@AndrewCrimefighterKonami needs to make a card that says "Neither player can surrender" or something lmao

[@potatoexe5410]

​@@kusanagi-no-tachi5303enjoy hour long tournaments round 1 in which every game goes into time with no way to surrender to go to game 2

[@40dakilla]

Tear ishizu with fiendsmith cards yeah thats a wrap. Plus we get Horus Cards. Plus Grass is legal.

[@mugencoreni7130]

Kashtira Shangri-Ira is like, am I a joke to you?

[@leroyjenkins9807]

Honestly I feel like it's Spyral. So much gas and so many lines get you to a wild end board but people don't want to talk about that

[@CrimsoniteSP]

I wonder if stun. Because stun is very annoying now with all their limited flood gates. With everything unlimited, they could just build a deck that says "no."

[@telepathicdragon]

I kind of agree with Joseph but god Delinquent Duo unbanned would truly be cursed.

[@AndrewUdal]

Snake eye would easily take up being the best after tear in a no banlist situation. The deck can warp its way into any situation and is one of the very few decks that can actually stand up to tear if it prepares well for it. Sure it can’t play shifter, but we’ve seen multiple times that the deck can make boards under it, however to be honest with cards like gamma at 3 and called by at 3 in a no banlist situation the deck isn’t guaranteed to lose to shifter, and at worst you play thrust D barrier at cook anyways.

[@superspongebobpupurax3898]

Nah full power dlink with all its toys is the second best deck after tear. Hell a little while ago in a ocg no list tourney it won playing victory dragon

[@AndrewUdal]

@ that’s because of ocg rules victory dragon is ass in tcg where people can choose to surrender. The problem with D link is going 2nd it’s not going to be amazing except into tear, which is fine if it only plays tear but it’s snake eye match up would be terrible. Snake eye on the other hand is not only fine into tear but also into any match up really in the game because it can build it’s non engine to match the format.

[@Heroism4499]

We need more +10 minute long videos!!!!

[@jerbear8884]

Zoodiac was my first real forte into more competitive Yugioh, so I'm confident with how compact it is it's definitely a top contender

[@toadstooltadd3843]

This is just an excuse for Joseph to brag about how tear is so good and he loves tear and tiaraments strongest and blah blah blah

[@VixYW]

Okay, hear me out: Rhongo Turbo. In MD, we never had Triple Tactics Thrust legal alongside it. The weakness of the deck was always not having either Numbers Eveil or Prohibition, but TTT can search it pretty easy. Just fill the rest of the deck with Runicks and you win.

[@davidecimino7112]

Triple Pot Graceful and painful choise probably gets there

[@VixYW]

@@davidecimino7112 Damn, I didn't even consider that...

[@isthatzo7703]

MBT warming us up for the next Masochist Banlist Tournament

[@DirtCheapFU]

I would have to say Kashtira. I remember putting together my Kash deck putting it away after one locals because of how dirty I felt playing that deck. Kashtira is the most modern deck that had to be immediately killed off. And is still killed off. Only reason you can play it in MD is because of Maxx C. Tearl, they let that first wave of domination run too long initially, then they kept baby hitting them. Kash on the other hand. They had to take away it's key boss monster, supplementary boss monster. Limits on F/S and main deck monster. All that's left is an engine. Atleast with Tearl, they left you with the bare requirements to play it's wincon.

[@chewdoom8415]

Kashtira was handled with kid gloves in the tcg for 6 months. It took them 4 months to ban Diablosis, with ariseheart getting limited, then they banned ariseheart in September of that same year. Idk what f/s means. There was the unicorne semi limit in June too. First wave of tear was only really powerful for 2 months after pote. The October banlist got rid of snow and chaos ruler. It was still good, but wouldn't get another boost in power until DABL introduced sprind, rulkalos and scream. It wasn't like nothing else could compete. Now I definitely consider the stuff they did during mavens format to be baby hits. Tear ishizu was only active for 3 months

[@rodenbeard]

As much as I can't stand Tear, MBT is right. Tearshizu completely wipes everything.

[@agussaurus2707]

It's actually True Draco, they can just activate like 20 different floods that end Tear immediatly. Di-Fi, Amano Iwato, Mystic Mine, 9 different Skill Drains, Rivalry... and will draw into them guaranteed with 3 PoG, 3 Graceful, 3 Demise plus all of the floods at 3, going first add Vanity's, IO and Royal Oppression, Forceful Sentry to get rid of any backrow removal , and they would prob even side in Shifter, since it hurts Tear way more. Tear needs Cryme, and then some more in order to counter all of these BS cards, maybe to add some non orange heralds.

[@chewdoom8415]

He did say BESIDES tear, so they have to beat everything else

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

As someone who likes Nekroz i 100% agree.

[@SrTNick1]

In terms of playing modern Nekroz yeah. But without a banlist Djinn lock is still cancer. Doesn't do so hot into handtraps or going second though, but against modern top tier decks most old top tiers would struggle with that anyways.

[@Starkiller2725]

I like Tearlaments. They bring fear into people and i wasn't even around for their peak.

[@Y0G0FU]

If we ignore Tear as per Instructions: It is either Zoodiac, Pepe with old Pendulum rules or Centurion. Centurion is as Joseph said able to play through almost anything a 5 Card hand can achieve with handtraps and they would have access to Hot Red. Personally i think Zoodiac however would still take the Cake. Its not just the amount of Handtraps they can play but also how absurd the Zoodiacs are themselves. In 3rd place i would place Centurion hot on Pursuit.. i think full power Zoodiac can deal with this but its close. I would love to see a Match between the 2 Decks with competent Pilots to see what happens ^^

[@DuxDamnatio]

I think i agree. I'm fairly confident zoo wins going second vs pepe. But what worries me is that Zoo won't be able to shut down pepe enough going first.

[@davemarinas3259]

@@DuxDamnatio Well if Zoo opens shifter or droll and pepe doesn't have called by they lose

[@DuxDamnatio]

@@davemarinas3259 pretty sure pepe with the modern card pool can play under shifter.

[@vonBoogaloo]

I honestly gotta say there’s a case to be made for Dark World. If we say “no ban list” running 3 Called by and 3 Graceful Charity feels insane. Plus the deck has almost infinite cards with smart piloting. There’s also something to be said for the fact that there’s several formats where the deck just kinda lurks around mid tier. All around, I still say people are sleeping on the deck constantly

[@davemarinas3259]

Use Shifter, Chain Droll response

[@TheFrozen_Aba]

@@davemarinas3259 double called by response

[@chaoticangel97]

I’d say in a no banlist scenario, a deck that abuses Frogs/Toads could be pretty dang scary.

[@CyrusThePalaceKnight]

Man, Tear just completely made everyone forget about Spright huh.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

iirc the top 4 decks in unlimited are Tearzoo, Zoo, Dragon Link, and Scientist FTK. But this was pre-Snake Eye and Yubel and one or both of those are definitely top 5.

[@MerlinCross13]

Mystic Mine Floodgate stun turbo; because the single best way to play the game is make sure the other side does absolutely nothing. >Watched I Called someone suggesting that. We love Floodgates and not letting the other guy play!

[@tylerrobertson7919]

I was surprised it took that long to get to Adamancipator. Full power Adamancipator is actually insane

[@soup2504]

It’s good but it isn’t that good. It makes a good board but it’s all monster centric interruptions with maybe a buster lock on top. Loses to all the blowout hand traps people are playing for the ftks like nibiru shifter droll etc. and also just loses to fucking dark ruler sadly the deck has aged like milk in the last 4 years

[@tylerrobertson7919]

@ eh I’d disagree to everything but the dark ruler. It can play through droll and shifter and with block dragon nibiru, plus it didn’t have pieces like block golem or supplier yet. And dark ruler doesn’t kill The buster dragon lock. Not to mention what you need to beat tear is as many negates/interactions as possible. And going second, needs to be able to get rid of the monsters without sending them to grave (dragite’s bounce effect). It’s ressilient, it has good play against the best deck and the anti-meta deck, and un-interrupted it puts up an insane board that loses to only dark ruler (and even then still has an extra deck lock so you’d need dark ruler plus a pop, and then have to deal with the follow up from block dragon). It really is a crazy deck

[@Endershock1678]

@@tylerrobertson7919 It's crazy, but it doesn't take advantage of the obviously broken banned cards like Tear or Zoodiac or even D-Link can. At full power, it had most of the tools it wanted, like Block Dragon and Scythe anyways, and still wasn't tier 0 (though it certainly felt like it)

[@felipemendes5336]

​@@Endershock1678So we are conveniently forgetting that the only reason Adam wasn't tier 0 was because of covid and that Block boy got banned before the events came back 😂😂

[@OyVeey]

The limited hand trap space really hurts it in a high-power format. Same story as the Exodia deck, really - it's an autowin going 1st, but you can't guarantee going 1st.

[@L1nk2002]

A twitter thread...without the robot dance intro??? I can't believe it Joseph, you've done it. You finally delivered yourself from cringe. Well done.

[@6em974]

Not one mention of Spright surprises me. Elf and Toadally + union carrior + Herald is probably absolutely diabolical

[@BobbyCorwen42]

If we're talking no banlist, then we'd have to contend with Maxx C being the great equalizer. I propose that Floowandereeze, equipped with all the obvious blowouts that a no-banlist format can offer, is good enough to have above 50% winrate against any deck, thus making it the de facto best deck in the format. Also mandatory Dark World mention, as the deck's capable, and more so if it's facing any sort of handrip.

[@Ovasiig]

To me the best decks are either pepe or tear. Tear is such an insane deck that was so far ahead of its time it’s a complex and interesting deck we won’t ever see till like 2030. And pepe fuck that deck was so annoying. That deck could do literally anything. Dragon link could also do some crazy shit as well with the victory dragon MTK.

[@TouchingEverything]

I'm surprised D-Link wasn't mentioned. It can play through so much, and with a unlimited pool. The decks even wacky.

[@endermaniac9877]

Chromakopia 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@MGDrzyzga]

Re: Centur-Ion (but not about a no-ban free-for-all)... with the Zero Extra Festival coming up in Master Duel, I'm workshopping a Zero Extra Centur-Ion Uria build. Just to shock my opponent with a Zero Extra Centur-Ion anything. To be fair, Trudea quickly gets you two Continuous Traps, and Centur-Ion provides lots of opportunities to trigger Statue of Anguish Pattern and the new Apophis.

[@MomirViggwilv]

I love Dragon Link but I'm gonna bat against it. I think full power Dragon Link would run into a serious problem that 15 ED slots isn't enough, and a deck full of garnets couldn't compete with decks like Zoo/Tear/Snake Eye

[@davemarinas3259]

Eclipse Wyvern can solve a lot of bad hands

[@SaltymanGaming]

Chaos is the greatest deck of all time imo. It was the biggest leap in power Yu-Gi-Oh has ever experienced and was dominant or at least playable in basically every format ever. Even modern 60 card piles and mill decks are basically just chaos decks. Ishizu Tear may have been the strongest deck in TCG or OCG but in MD it was arguably weaker than full power Snake-Eyes or Grass Chaos with Chaos Ruler and Dis Pater both legal.

[@fratguide]

Bro… I’ve never seen a video remind me of ALL the decks that make my spine squirm

[@omegaelement]

The real answer is clearly "whatever the next darling baby archetype Konami makes".

[@nbassasin8092]

05:00 I recently had a very nice conversaiton in the comments of Farfas LCS tournament, where we debated Kash and D-link as the 2nd best deck of all time (shotout to M1A2C, if you see this, you are the goat, loved talking to you about it) and we kinda agreed that D-link is the most flexible deck ever in terms of what it can do and under which restrictions (droll, shifter, floodgates) it can play. and when you have no banlist, and could theoretically encounter everything, but still need a solid tear matchup, Id want to have deck like D-link by my side (although also a much better player than I am sine that deck really shows difference between pros and noobs) people are also underestimating power of control in format where everyone tries to combo or ftk, soooo, floodgate true draco is IMO top 5 best decks ever

[@lordradiance2530]

im extremely surprised joseph didnt read off any of the people saying spyral. I get that the deck is technically at full power in master duel but that decks ability to do cold fusion probably means it gets insanely better in an unlimited format

[@LynnLyns]

Feels weird to have a Twitter Thread without background music

[@Leonardo.ohime.i]

its impossible to determine which deck would be the best in a non banlist cause there are gonna be so many "going first auto win" decks

[@NerdyBrain123]

I'm surprised no one said true Draco. It's a menace in the masochist banlist tournaments

[@GodzillaFreak]

Theoretically, there's a dumb ftk build that can run midbreaker and sentry to just have a 100% win rate going first, but a 0% win rate going second. Technically just matches everything, but doesn't surpass anything either.

[@leoornstein3963]

1000 years of Dragon pile decks 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@xuspirahopte5549]

The second best deck at the table is the second Tear player. Always.

[@frankartanis1290]

We have had numerous banlist free cups in China (next one in a couple weeks). The conclusion is that the second best deck was Spright. Now that Ryzeal is in the pool, this may change.