The Harsh Truth About The NBA's Point Guard GOAT Debate

[@HoopReports]

Who's the PG GOAT in your opinion?

[@JayzoTheNextKobeBryant2.0]

Steph Curry

[@xtreme5745]

Stephen Curry

[@silas2051]

Curry

[@asianriceman45]

curry respectfully

[@timemachinebss]

curry

[@PhoenixSuns1353]

Steph won his rings against the goat of his era. Magic won them with the goat of his era

[@danyaljeff]

Faxxx

[@King_hancock]

true

[@jarebvelasco8955]

Real Talk

[@4id09_muhsinrafiqooktariza6]

exactly

[@joshuapaes5914]

Magic was the goat of his era alongside Larry Bird. Steph Curry and the Warriors had to go twerking into the hamptons and beg KD to join their 73-9 team alongside 3 other all stars. 2 of Steph's rings are the most meaningless rings ever won and he wasn't even the best player for them, however he was better than people give him credit for.

[@davey4731]

One thing I feel like could be argued, is Steph’s gravity can be thought of as an assist. Obviously super Hard to quantify, but think of how def Elses have changed in general and against him. They Double and triple Team him And all eyes are on him at all times. Leaving teammates open to wide open for easy shots. Steph also took a dead Team and built a dynasty. One could argue he should have another finals mvp over igoudala.

[@RushuFriends]

I agree with you, but some could argue that defensive schemes have changed so much that you can’t compare

[@4id09_muhsinrafiqooktariza6]

the reason kd have fmvp cuz everybody focus on steph !!! 3 player just focus to guard stepph asss lol

[@johnsonsmithson45]

Exactly. The warriors were complete poverty for 3 decades but curry built something amazing. Joe Lacob bought the team for a measely 300 million dollars and as of 2022 Forbes valued the warriors as the highest ranked sports club in the WORLD. Higher then Bayern Munich higher then Real Madrid higher then the American giants with the cowboys patriots Yankees knicks lakers the WARRIORS were #1. And you know why? Steph curry built a winning culture and team

[@JC91284]

I’ve been saying this forever

[@Pack52022]

People tend to forget the warriors were in a playoff drought for soooooooooooo long until Steph came in

[@JordanGurney]

Another huge consideration that you didn't mention was the fact that even though Curry has less assists, his gravity because of the lethal jump shot of his makes his teammates open just as effectively as a magic assist

[@philwilson609]

Absolutely. The gravity of a Steph three point threat is all about the way basketball has evolved. Players today are FAR more skilled than in magic's day, due to international stars and evolved techniques. Players today handle and shoot way beyond in Magics day. No one would need to be guarded and double teamed 30 feet from the basket in 1985.

[@vonnguinto7162]

That's on point man. A.M Hoops made a great video talking about this.

[@josephvernon21]

keep making a narrative 😂

[@AndYouAre]

I also thought he was going to bring up records as a consideration. Curry has the 3rd most records in history. Most of which is due to him making 3's, but he also has free-throw records and has 3 of the top 5 PER numbers in a season that doesn't include Centers. He has the 1st and 2nd best, Jordan the 3rd, Curry again at 4th, and Jordan again at 5th. He also has the highest career EFG% out of anyone not playing the Center position. Then, there's accomplishments that mean more that aren't necessarily measurable. Being the ONLY unanimous MVP in the history of the game is huge. Having records that we can't imagine being broken is huge. Being attributed to changing the geometry of the game isn't small. Even with this, I do take issue with saying Steph is the better point guard. I've got Steph somewhere at #3 to #5 only because of how I see the position. I do have Steph as a better player than Magic and somewhere between #5 and #8 as the most impactful player to have ever lived.

[@kayamerrick3907]

“Gravity” … 😂 Now we’re just making shit up…

[@rocketfighter8]

Magic joined a 47-35 team with Kareem, Jamal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Norm Nixon and Spencer Haywood. Curry joined a 29-53 team with Stephen Jackson, Cory Maggette, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. Magic had a big advantage from the very beginning as afar as quality of teammates. Magic joined a very good team and made them great. Curry and Jordan joined bad teams and made them great.

[@Jordan-wd7vv]

i disagree. the warriors were not great until klay and draymond developed. then they were a great team. curry did not make the warriors a great team instantly

[@slenduu]

@@Jordan-wd7vv Is Stephen curry the best player on golden state warriors team?

[@ELI-521]

Yet you forget to mention how magic joined this team and instantly became the #1 lmao. You also forgot to mention how much magic made them better and how they greatly benefitted from playing alongside him

[@ELI-521]

And the warriors didn't become top tier instantly when he joined infact it took them years to reach their peak and their peak lasted for a shorter time while magic joiend they won a chip 1st year and DOMINATED the whole 80s 😂

[@ncm2738]

​@@ELI-521Curry was injury prone for his first 3-4 years.

[@andrewboateng1197]

Funny how I haven't watched the video yet but know that Curry is the better point guard in his opinion

[@RedGarrus]

facts, and steph isn't the point goat, magic is.

[@MangoClassicedYT]

yeah lol hes so biyust if steph says something he automatically changes his mind i was shocked when he ranked steph 7 and magic 5 now steph is better after getting eliminated in round 2 ridiculousl

[@keanuwoods]

Bro thinks curry is tbe better point guard is crazy

[@natank5398]

Yeah he is a meat rider😂

[@abdulallahi1083]

Most people in northern California believe Stephen Curry is the best point guard in the world I mean we watched it first hand and he created this dynasty magic didn't create a dynasty he added to a legacy that was already there

[@jingqi9106]

Magic and Curry are different type of point guards. Magic was more of a facilitator whereas Steph is more of a scorer seeking the 3 point shot at every opportunity. On an all time-team, it would be great to see them both in the same backcourt because of their different roles.

[@jlui21]

-- they are both great. For me, it depends upon team construction. Ultimately, it's like...Salma Hayek or Halle Berry. There's no wrong answer.

[@haku4841]

Curry is a facilitator aswell due to him being such a threat it allows klay and others an open look eventually cause even with all his movement he’s still a statistically better shooter than anyone

[@jingqi9106]

@@haku4841 Of course Curry is a facilitator as well as I said in my original comment "more of a...". Curry is actually an excellent passer but his main role is to score.

[@EIite500]

@@jingqi9106 lol curry is a above average passer at best, not excellent like rajon rondo or cp3

[@vicentepallamare2608]

​@@jlui21I'd play with both in their primes

[@lorenzotabin3822]

when it comes to scoring titles, we have to remember that steph SAT OUT more 4th quarters than other stars ever, because the games were so blown out by the third quarter. imagine if he did not sit those games out... hed have more points total and maybe two or three more scoring titles.

[@EEDad401]

Something nobody wants to admit is that Magic dominated when the pool of talent was smaller. I have kids in basketball development leagues in elementary and the talent level today is astonishing compared to when I was growing up. Today, thousands of kids are being developed all around the world, much more so than Magic's era. Magic was a shark in a pool compared to Steph being a killer whale in the Pacific Ocean.

[@Sniper-Haan]

Wonderful marine analogy ❤

[@nezoprime4276]

Except steph had that same exact talent you speak of right on his team to compensate, one of if not the best defender of this generation in draymond, along side the 2nd best shooter in nba history. Thats not even mention igudoala who won that fmvp in 2015 and kevin durant who carried them to back to back finals and won both of the fmvp. Proving that in 3 of the 4 championships he played in that he was in fact not the most important player

[@shormere1612]

​@@nezoprime4276 KD won those fmvps cuz the opponents were focused on Steph. Curry just came off of one of the greatest offensive seasons off all time, of course other teams are gonna focus their defense on him. Idk how Iguodala won that fmvp when Lebron literally averaged 36ppg, 13 rebounds, 9 assists.

[@Jordan-wd7vv]

unfair argument. arguing about eras is inconsequential. curry trained against harder comp and goes up against harder comp. if magic was in currys era im sure he would be just fine. this is not the way to argue which player is better overal

[@HooperPremium]

Cap. Bird, Kareem, Malone, Jordan, Hakeem, Thomas, McHale, Worthy, Erving, Gervin, and many others is a light talent pool? Please

[@olivervillavicencio9858]

Magic went to a perfect situation with hall of famer player. Curry went to a losing team and made his peers hall of famer.

[@Jordan-wd7vv]

curry and magics teams were both elite. thats not a good argumwnt

[@itztrimax6795]

Why are y’all acting like curry didn’t play with three other hof at once?

[@olivervillavicencio9858]

@@Jordan-wd7vv magic went to an established team with MVP kareem and all nba worthy. Curry played with rookie klay and green.

[@olivervillavicencio9858]

@@itztrimax6795 curry was drafted first he played with rookie green and klay. Magic team up with mvp and already champ kareem

[@janritz-kun2617]

@@itztrimax6795 can you name the 3 hof?

[@trickstertrip5962]

People don’t understand that we’re talking about a point guard and not the goat… Ability to create chances for your teammates and other things contribute but ability to create for your teammates is what makes you a point guard… And to me, they are both up there… It doesn’t matter who is one or two… Personally I pick Steph…

[@_Sporkz_]

I think that is why there is an "argument" for GOAT status. There is merit for both sides. What is guaranteed with Steph's entrance into the conversation against Magic is that Magic and Steph are the bar for being the GOAT point guard, he is moving the others like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Chris Paul to the category of top 10. Steph will have his opportunity over the next few years to make it go from a toss up to definitive.

[@nadiajo]

Love the chapter titles and quotes

[@kelleyeidem667]

Magic always played with a bunch of top notch teammates, including Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, A.C. Green, Jamaal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo, Mitch Kupchak, etc.

[@underpressure07140]

The fact that you need to cherry pick stats to even have an argument means you already lost the debate

[@kristapskittsom8279]

Magic and Kareem are both top 10 players and they won their 5 championship together and Kareem have 1 championship without Magic but Magic has 0 without Kareem.., Kobe and Shaq had their 3 and then Kobe had 2 without him and Shaq only had 1 without Kobe. Curry has 2 Championship without KD while KD has 0 without Curry. And what makes it interesting is that KD has never been in discussion for top 10 all time while Curry has been even before he won his 4th ring.

[@nezoprime4276]

Thats a good point, but neglecting to mention that he's never won a championship without draymond, iggy, and klay is a bit ignorant. With dray and klay being certified hall of famers at this point

[@kristapskittsom8279]

​@@nezoprime4276 *Only 3 Players Won Multiple NBA Championship Without A Top 75 Teammates* *STEPHEN CURRY ( 2015 & 2022 )* *KOBE BRYANT ( 2009 & 2010 )* *TIM DUNCAN ( 2005 & 2007 )* *MULTIPLE MVPs, FINALS MVP & SCORING TITLE in NBA HISTORY* *STEPHEN CURRY* MICHAEL JORDAN KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR LEBRON JAMES WILT CHAMBERLAIN *STEPHEN CURRY 7th Player to Win 4 Titles and Multiple MVPs* Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Tim Duncan, LeBron James. *Oldest Players With 30 PPG in Finals* *NBA History* *YRS - DAYS* 1998 Michael Jordan 35 - 117 1997 Michael Jordan 34 - 116 *2022 STEPHEN CURRY 34 - 94* 2018 LeBron James 33 - 160 *Most 30-Point Game in Finals Clinchers* Michael Jordan 5️⃣ *Stephen Curry* 3️⃣ Shaquille O'Neal 2️⃣ Bill Russell 2️⃣ *30 PPG & 2 Steals PG in Finals History* *2022 Stephen Curry* 2006 Dwyane Wade 1995 Hakeem Olajuwon 1991 Michael Jordan 1977 Julius Erving *Only 6 NBA Point Guards Have Won The* *Finals MVP Award* *STEPHEN CURRY* MAGIC JOHNSON JO JO WHITE ISIAH THOMAS CHAUNCEY BILLUPS TONY PARKER

[@exomnia115]

“What if curry had someone like Kareem” as if he didn’t win two championships with the most stacked team of all time

[@DarkWolf-407]

Yeah but that wasn't by choice. Other than kd no one on the Warriors was considered a stacked player yet. And Kareem is >>>> kd.

[@rylanpeters8140]

True but magic never won without Kareem curry already did twice

[@phillipmiranda5463]

Steph has already won without his “Kareem” twice

[@rylanpeters8140]

@@phillipmiranda5463 magic had Kareem for all 5 curry win without Durant twice

[@Urgelt]

Well thought-out argument. I was a fan of Magic from his time at Michigan State. He was too good for his team. I watched him fire a cross-court pass to a teammate that bounced off the poor guy's chest. Right in the shooting pocket. Only after he reached the NBA could Magic unleash his full skill set. And man, did he. I loved that era. Kareem. Bird. So many other great players. But I have to say this: today's league is better. Tougher. Talent is better distributed. Players are more athletic. Injury recovery is better. As great as Kareem was - make no mistake, he was the real deal - many of today's big men are stronger and space the floor better. And as good as Magic was on a fast break, he wasn't quite equal to more than one contemporary ball handler in this league. Including Steph. Magic was a better defender; his length and quickness paid off. But there has never been a better shooter in this league than Steph. Both changed the league. Magic with his passing prowess dared players to up their passing games. Steph inspired a whole generation to get better at distance shooting. It's as hard to settle this question as it is to settle any other argument between different eras. We all have our opinions. But I'm choosing Steph. His peak against Magic's, both at their career bests, lets Steph edge ahead. Too bad we can't look at plus-minus for both players. But back then, that stat wasn't tracked, I don't think.

[@yoimiya_ei]

Well said old man

[@zeroch1ll150]

You could figure out magics plus minus

[@Chuckerson100]

Great point bro!!

[@toptopovaxiv]

League is better? It is mostly unwatchable until playoffs and it has more resemblence to WWE than to Euroleague per se. All of the rule changes are improving the show not the game. Despite way better medical treatments, facilities, nutrition etc they are missing way more games than in 80's and 90's. And please don't compare Kareem to todays bigs. Besides Jokic (whom is a product from totally different mindset and part of the world speaking in basketball terms) and Embiid (who mostly tries to score with his face facing the basket), and let's squeeze in Davis...what's left? Sorry but the NBA is one dimensional. Space the floor and shoot the threes

[@Urgelt]

@@toptopovaxiv the skill level required to shoot 3s is immense. The larger threat of 3s unclogs the paint and makes for a more athletic, dynamic and tactical game. The modern game isn't without its problems, of course. Players forcing trades. Players sitting out games. Pretended injuries. Biased refs. League rules need adjustments. League rules always need adjustments. Players sitting out games, at least, will now affect league awards. That's probably not enough, but it's a start. But there are things the rules have gotten right, too. The game is more popular with fans, more fun to watch. Talent is widely distributed, which just wasn't true in Kareem's day - a few teams dominated everyone else, always. Skills are at a higher level overall, and outcomes are harder to anticipate. I'm pleased with the changes, overall. Though I can admit that further evolution can make the league even better.

[@oakkblackbird]

I like both. But as you said, Magic has been great from the beginning of his career. As great as a shooter Curry is, a real point guard is to dish the ball, which Magic excelled at.

[@ShaunMilesTV]

Jxmyhighroller: you can copy my homework but change some of the answers so it looks different HoopReports:

[@BrianSwish]

To me he already is especially with this 4th ring not because he finally won fmvp but because it showed once again that he can win without kd and ask yourself could magic win without Kareem. Cus the answer was no. And not to mention he should’ve won the 15’ fmvp but that’s another topic. But with another ring and fmvp that would put curry tied with magic with magic having the clear edge in 1 more fmvp and mvp. I think by then the masses will have fully switch over to the curry is the goat PG

[@Bballhoopsedits]

Curry fan

[@BrianSwish]

@@Bballhoopseditsdamn right 👏🏽

[@joshuapaes5914]

Magic did win without Kareem when he was injured in a game 6 performance that many consider the best finals performance in history.

[@josuerojas4157]

You do realize that Kareem was 32 at the time and you can easily argue that magic extended his career, can you make the same case that curry couldn’t win wo draymond or Thompson? They couldn’t win in 2016 when green. Got suspended, 17 + 18 was probably the best roster ever assembled cause of kd. 22 they won an amazing championship. Your point isn’t fair cause you can easily make the same case against curry.

[@kingvongaming7088]

@@BrianSwishso corny

[@charlesd3970]

You lost me when u had to use Steph's free throw percentage stat to compare to Magic's assists, rebounds and steals to balance things out😂

[@dvdv8197]

Warriors did it!! 👍👏🔥🔥❤️❤️ The combination of CP 3, TJD, JK and Dario Saric is exactly what is needed for Warriors, mainly for the non-Steph minutes. If they manage to win those or at least not lose them too heavily, they're in really good shape!! 🙏🙏👍👏

[@bmanjamin]

your main argument against magic is that his team was better despite steph putting together the best team of all time and in a separate year going 73 - 9

[@rjc9537]

Great video!!! I like the fair and balanced analysis. It’s a tough debate. Most people have Magic in their top 5-6 players of all time. If Steph surpasses him in the PG Goat debate then Steph has to be in the top 5, but nobody actually ranks him that high. However, after his last chip I think we have to start considering if Steph is now at this moment a top 5 player of all time??? In no particular order without including Wilt and Bill with me being ok with swapping a few players here and there: 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Kobe 4. KAJ 5. Magic 6. Steph 7. Hakeem 8. Shaq 9. Duncan 10. Bird 11. Durant Before his 4th chip I had Steph ranked between 8-12, but now that he has 4 rings you have to put him right up there with the likes of Magic. Do you think Steph at this very moment being #6 is a real thing? If he can give us another 4 years of great all-star caliber basketball and can lead his team to another chip or 2 then I think he easily cracks the top 5 dare I say top 3. Let me know your thoughts? 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@RedGarrus]

I disagree with Shaq below Hakeem but other than that this is a good list

[@rjc9537]

@@RedGarrus Hakeem and Shaq are always difficult one for me. Some days I have Shaq and most days I have Hakeem. I prefer skill over dominance. Hakeem was a much, much more skilled player than Shaq. Hakeem’s skills are right up there with Kobe type skills. But I’m good either way! 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@FallingPenguin]

Kobe at 3 is insanity, along with bird at 10

[@kingvongaming7088]

delusional

[@kingvongaming7088]

kobe #3 LMDAOOOO steph #6???????? bro stop

[@jeffmagic32]

Best of both worlds - Magic plays the 1, Curry plays the 2.

[@inspirepj4492]

Curry is the GReatest Point Gaurd why is there still a Debate???

[@hmmmmmm6901]

Lil bro can’t even spell

[@pakdevil]

@Pooleproduction and you can't spell

[@willn8664]

He's a shooting guard disguised as a point guard. Similar to Dame. Exactly. Why is there still a debate?

[@slenduu]

It's still a debate because there haven't been a definite answer to put the debate to its grave.

[@nezoprime4276]

Because even the reasons in this video are half assed and the only categories steph won in we'rent official or standard but ones made up by hoop reports himself

[@maccrew612]

If we use all the normal comparisons the other guy wins but if I cherry-pick my own comparisons then my guy wins.

[@LGSL12345]

Starts the video saying that will do an unbiased analysis and once the data doesn't help his point proceeds just to count the numbers that help his opinion...I shouldn't even be surprised after the video where you put Steph over Jokic as the best current player, what a fanboy

[@Chris-hr2uj]

Confirmation bias. I thought the same thing. Sheesh

[@ND-OPS]

its not bias until you bring up what if scenarios lol

[@johncraig4820]

Crazy that your list of those in the GOAT conversation didn't include the all time assists and steals leader.

[@justinfawcett205]

I think at the end of Steph’s career he will definitely be the best point guard of all time. But Steph is also my favorite player, so I don’t think I can say much. 🙂 also great video keep it up

[@RonnieJamesOsbourne]

I don't normally agree with the analysts, BUT, the one point I do agree with them is; "Steph is a "2" masquerading as a point gaurd. He is NOT a true point gaurd; so that should end the debate right there. This isn't saying that Steph can't or doesn't play point, but the job is mainly performed by Draymond, which makes him so valuable to the Warriors. He does all of the dirty work (pun intended) and gets Steph the looks he needs. If Steph was a true point with no Draymond, I don't think Steph and the Warriors would've had the same success.

[@EvelynPadol]

I'm a forever fan of Magic since he started playing in Lakers team, it's not because he's my idol but for me he's the best point guard & best player coz during his college days he made his school champion & in his rookie year, he made his team a world champion & won an MVP award.His videos of all his past games showed how he played excellent for me, his incredible passing, alertness of mind, showed leadership among his team mates, a great facilitator..not after to make score but let all his team mates to score too. The most unforgettable he did was when Kareem Abdul Jabbar wasn't able to played in the finals in G6 for the world Championship due to injury & Magic Johnson played the role of Kareem as a center,his role as forward, scorer, rebounder & high percentage in assist in which Steph can't do to be the center due to his height as 6'2 compared to Magic Johnson as 6'9.Bec of Magic Johnson, many celebrities watched NBA games due to his showtime style of playing in which everyone were thrilled & enjoyed so much.I can't see anyone now how to play like Magic Johnson..he's incredible & fun to watch him played. If he didn't leave NBA year 1991,his stats will show more of his achievements. Whereas Steph was a good scorer especially in 3 point shooting & fun to watch too. but can't deny the fact that Magic Johnson played much better than him..

[@Deeboris]

Curry

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

Steph is more of a shooting guard, you understand jokic averaged more assists per game than steph for the past 4 years and he's a center.

[@samuelmartinez4705]

curry has that gravity that you can't let him move or else it's over. and even if you try to guard him it will be a real challenge

[@christianco905]

"Steph didn't start as a starplayer compared to Magic who started from the get go" Really? Is this Magic's Fault? 😂😂😂

[@kmao508]

Man , that 2022 finals was something... i thought celtics were gonna win.. most balanced team in nba... tatum, brown, smart was dpoy. Klay 1st year back from 2 year injury... steph was basically the warriors whole offense. Celtics threw every defensive scheme at curry.. and the man basically single handedly beat the celtics offensively. Im not so sure magic could do the same in that situation.

[@woo_shynen8805]

Right. The celtics that year were on it in the second half of the season. Their defense was so great, their offense was good, their playmaking at times seemed elite. I honestly thought nobody would beat them in the nba finals but curry proved me wrong.

[@EIite500]

Single handedly? lol? what about jordan poole and klay thompson? they were cooking the celtics too lol, stop steph aint like that 🤣 What happened last playoffs when he's the only man that stood up? Single handedly my ass

[@kmao508]

@@EIite500 lol. There were 2 games that Steph basically single handedly won by himself. The team was struggling offensively. Celtics threw everything at curry and he still couldn’t be stopped. If u deny this, then u didn’t watch the series. That 1991 lakers series against bulls… Phil Jackson had enough and decided to put pippen strictly on magic…. That was it, just pippen… had significant impact on what magic could and couldn’t do… bulls win series decisively.

[@EIite500]

@@kmao508 But he's not single handedly beat the celtics the entire series lol, Just look what happened when he single handedly his team last playoffs? he cant do shit, he aint like that. He had klay, jp who helped him. Lol u acting like 2022 celtics was unbeatable all time great team lol just stop🤣🤣.

[@EIite500]

@@kmao508 u just exposed ur claim by saying "THERE WERE 2 GAMES"😂 2 games doesn't mean the whole series😂 not single handedly, u just exaggerating/overhyping the man😂 can't even single handedly beat the lakers last season when he's the only man who can score.

[@ryanburchett8455]

John Stockton, Gary Payton and Allen Iverson should be entered here.

[@sweezy9011]

Everyone can pass like magic, no one can shoot like curry

[@alyjulmim8447]

If everyone can pass pass like Magic, then why isn't everyone doing it?

[@willjohnwick6911]

@@alyjulmim8447jokic,lebron could pass like magic but no one could shoot like curry simple casual

[@ellisisland1374]

HOF Magic Johnson is an awesome "traditional" PG who played in a tougher era! Future HOF Sheph Curry is a great SG playing in a more "wide-open" player era! Magic still has the edge!

[@keanuwoods]

Bro is always glazing the warriors

[@sayrebonifield4663]

Starting by listening great point guards and not mentioning the all time leader in both assists and steals undermines your credibility.

[@yehudahfein-cc9cm]

Is Stephen Curry played in the 80s he would have also save the NBA

[@bboyggez]

If Steph played in the 80’s, he would have at least 3 more rings and be the undisputed GOAT.

[@EIite500]

no, he can't. Larry would woop his ass.

[@alyjulmim8447]

​@@bboyggezIf Steph played in the 80's, he would be a 3 point specialist bench player. He would not be as effective with the type of defense they were allowed to play back then. Take a bench player from the 80's like Craig Hodges and put him in Currys spot and you would have a better outcome. Hodges was a better shooter than Curry, who simply didn't get much playing time. In other words, Steph would be like Craig Hodges in the 80's and Craig Hodges would be like Curry in today's game. Logic!

[@bboyggez]

@@alyjulmim8447 Ain’t no way you’re comparing Steph to that scrub. The 80’s defense dickriders are insane lol. With the iso rules back then, Steph is averaging 40. You don’t know ball

[@willjohnwick6911]

@@alyjulmim8447🤣🤣 stop it Craig Hodges was not a better shooter than curry.curry would dominate the 80s if Larry bird could dominate with his slow ass curry woulda dominate more than he is now casual 🤡 😅

[@3blakguy]

forced debate is clearly magic

[@Chuck_A_Luck_Stank]

That nba marketing department working hard today. This the most rubix cube conclusion explanation I've ever heard this evening.

[@InsaneTrickShots]

It’s like magic is a cassette player and Steph is a smart phone. The magic prototype will likely never be successful again. You have to be able to shoot.

[@michaelyeboah7789]

The fact is that folks that know hoop will create a roster of Magic as PG and Curry as SG. That should tell you whom the better PG is.

[@deannabibbee4280]

Steph is the best point guard period.

[@kingvongaming7088]

explain

[@eddi3401]

Cook

[@matthewmiles4040]

Great video!! Appreciate you

[@andrewwulfking4566]

I just watched your whole video and you literally didn't bring up defense. Like that's not half the game. Like Magic can play center with the best players in the world. And was the best point guard. He could guard all 5 positions. That makes a huge difference. The game is not all about offense. I can't even take you serious when you're making videos this long and fuse to bring up defense at all.

[@aviatinggamer9051]

This is easy to answer. Put whoever you think is the best ever at each position. Then imagine Steph being their PG and then do the same with Magic. Which do you think leads that team to more wins over the other one? Imo, I think the magic led team would beat the Steph led team. Magic was a true floor general who dominated the game at both ends of the floor with his size, handle, athleticism, and ability to see the floor (it helps being 6’9”). If Magic had had a full career, he’d be in the GOAT (regardless of position) debate).

[@RobH1628]

For me it’s Steph. He’s more of a killer and can absolutely turn the game around with only a few shots. He’s one of a kind

[@kingvongaming7088]

youve never seen magic play and you think steph is more of a “killer” and that makes him better? average warriors fan

[@kingvongaming7088]

magic has heaps more accolades than curry, but ig since currys more of a “killer” hes better!!

[@kingvongaming7088]

@@omaralmuhaya7503youre goddamn right i didnt watch a second of this pile of shit

[@BinColdMusic]

The statistics says different. That can be yo opinion but it’s not a fact

[@EIite500]

​@@omaralmuhaya7503 I watched steph curry play, he's not a killer tho, when it matters most he folds.

[@BucketBeast123]

Ik ur using jxmyhighrollers mj vs lebron video as a format for this one. Still great video!!!!

[@zacharybernstein5608]

Go dubs

[@SC73.]

Chef curry da goat point guard

[@Rctfy1]

Can you make a video about Lebron vs Jordan? I wanna know who is better than the two of them. I want you to tackle the: • Statistics (Points, Assists, Rebounds, etc) • Achievements • Versatility and Flexibility • Basketball IQ • Competition (Which era is harder? Does players today really are better than before?) • Does Handchecking really affected the game? • Which era has a harder defense? • What are the effects of Zone Defense in the game of basketball?

[@xtreme5745]

Stephen Curry is the goat PG, no debate

[@kingvongaming7088]

than why did he need to make this video? most people have magic #4 alltime, so does that mean steph is top 4 all time?

[@kingvongaming7088]

no debate my ass

[@kingvongaming7088]

look at the accolades

[@iljewels]

The debate ends once those in magic era are in their graves.

[@naoikeda9472]

I already know this guy is going to gas up Steph curry as much as possible. Edit: watched the video, bro said that magic Johnson’s passing was basically just him dumping the ball to Kareem

[@kingvongaming7088]

yeah hes delusional

[@garrettstricklin]

right? that was the dumbest thing ive ever heard about magic, dude needs to watch sum tape

[@naoikeda9472]

@@garrettstricklin watch his other videos, it’s literally just him gassing up how the 10th seed warriors could have won the title lol

[@willn8664]

Shouldn't even be a debate. Steph is a great SG disguised as a PG. Magic is a great true PG (its ridiculous that there's an argument that he's a point forward). lol yall making things more complicated than it already is.

[@slenduu]

I understand, but the debate is complicated especially how they are neck to neck in skill level and accolades. Btw, Stephen has never played as the SG in the NBA because he was too short to be one.

[@bobbyohalterego4102]

All love. Steph probably should've just manned up and been like,. 'I do what do but nah nobody's ever gonna run the point like Magic '... .... Doesn't mean he's not the icon that he is

[@timemachinebss]

first

[@tasmith7012]

Great video bro

[@lvrbad5588]

If you look at what a point guard traditionally is magic is the goat no doubt. Curry is just listed as a point guard, but he plays more like a mixture of a point and shooting guard. I mean a lot of times fcking draymond runs the point for the Warriors. I think there is a debate on who the better player is or who had the biggest impact on the game, but if we are looking at just being a point guard magic takes the cake easily.

[@clarencenichols8813]

Great food for thought. The reality is that Steph has reinvented the position. The same is true with Magic in the Showtime era. Steph is a shooting point guard. Magic was a point foward. By definition alone. The ability to make your team mate better is to ASSIST, position by way of the PASS, to give him the greatest opportunity to score. One other note; Kareem, and James Worthy are in the Hall of Fame. Clay Thompson, and Dramon Green ? maybe not. My preference, Ervin Magic Johnson.

[@kingvongaming7088]

notice theres not a single person in this comment section mentioning defense, its half of the game for fucks sake

[@jeremy4363]

I believe this is the only case where I’ll allow a co-goat holder, both revolutionized what it means to be a point guard, both won a against their eras of the goat, both are insanely dominant in their own ways, they are both #1 point guards now

[@alannitcher5001]

In my opinion, Curry isn't a point guard. He is a shooting guard. He does his best work without the ball. Green is the point on the Warriors. Green is the one that gets the ball where and when it needs to be. The only thing scarier then ball in Stephs hands is the ball in Greens hands with Steph running through the middle. You know that as soon as he gets to his mark, the ball will be there and there is nothing that can be done about that.

[@dustinpike7879]

Why no mention of John Stockton among great point gaurds? Even Magic said Stockton is the perfect point guard.

[@aviatinggamer9051]

2:57 Steph Curry is 100% a genetically gifted athlete. Are you kidding me? The dude’s dad AND brother have all played or are currently playing in the league alongside Steph. That sounds like good genetics to me. Plus, just because he isn’t prime Rose doesn’t mean he’s a slouch. He’s still one of the top athletes in the entire world. You have to be to be a professional athlete. This narrative that Steph isn’t a good athlete is absolutely absurd.

[@thorb2663]

Here's the thing... Steph isn't a point guard. If you had a 7' footer who could shoot like Steph, but didn't rebound or defend, would you say he's the greatest Center? No you wouldn't. Steph is a shooting guard. Oh you don't want him in that category do you? Because he doesn't stack up to MJ or Kobe. Steph is NOT the greatest PG or SG. He's just the greatest shooter. Period.

[@leorosales6243]

steph is the BEST PG ever period. been watching the NBA since the 70s. no one, i mean no one, revolutionized the game the way steph did. he gave hope to players who are physically small and dominate the game. not even MJ was guarded the way steph is being guarded. when steph crosses half court, watch how he is guarded. no one,i mean no one, has that much effect. these are facts.

[@ND-OPS]

its not bias until 10:20 lol

[@los08]

Was going on bro 🙏🙏

[@ND-OPS]

Magic's 86-87 season is GOATED

[@garysalazar5279]

i wonder how many people who says Steph is the goat pg have really seen magic play?

[@josephvernon21]

I genuinenly cannot stand how people change the narrative to put steph ahead. magic has better stats, more accolades, more championships. why is it a debate?? magic won 3 of the 5 mvps and was better than kareem probably 9/10 seasons. there was no dynasty before or after magic. comparing kareem at age 32 to age 42 to a prime lebron is ABSURD. You should 100% punish a player for having worse career stats this is bs. Curry literally entered the top 10 discussion 1 year ago. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️recency bias. curry literally had 2-4 all star teammate in his prime. got outplayed by kyrie irving.

[@Red-gc6dw]

Steph is like Iverson... A shooting guard playing the P.G position...

[@horacespencer3249]

Curry isn't even close to Magic as a PG, he's a SG, he doesn't make anyone better by getting players open by his style of game now Dame is saying he's the best PG and we all know he's a 2, and neither step back their game for their teammates which Magic did to win championship, and I don't want to here who he had on his team

[@sergeistalin7916]

The difference is Curry makes players lives easier even more than Magic. Literally Curry allows his team to play 4v3 every possesion without even touching the ball.

[@TheGuyRelic]

You're confusing Better Career to Better Prime

[@bobbyohalterego4102]

Yoh,. My word. I would take KJ Kevin Johnson, over a ton of most new age point guards. Not Steph but a Ton of the other guys

[@yerik6034]

Oldheads will never accept when who they watched gets passed

[@alansnow1129]

Magic is best point guard ever! Curry isn’t a point guard! He’s SG

[@PenguinRisk]

the way i look at it is “who would i not want to play against more” and its Steph he is a lethal 3 level scorer with great playmaking and because hes such a threat from all areas of the court you have to guard him the second he crosses into half court and his gravity pulls defenses away and helps his teammates get open

[@victorbryan8269]

I think you're reaching with the peak years argument. Magic deserves credit for the way he started his career and even if u remove assists from the equation, to level the Kareem Abdul Jabar argument, Magic is still the goat

[@ridert1234]

You really did what all journalist do. You clearly saw the numbers but want to find any way to discredit Magic and find nit pick things to show Curry as better.

[@StevenBamidele]

you knew how this video was going to end before you clicked on it. love it though

[@frankiemendivil6459]

It took magic his first rookie year for a ring

[@brittinfisher8102]

Nobody alive really knows about Pistol Pete Maravich. Best dribbler, best passer, top scorer, defense, speed, one of, if not the best basketball IQ’s ever… it’s still Pistol Pete… but most fans today have no idea of the past. Also, best player ever… Wilt Chamberlain without question. Check the points per game, blocks, rebounds… likely the best athlete to ever have lived.

[@jamesbatcho]

Numbers don't lie. Neither does geometry. Steph changed the geometry, trigonometry, and topology of the game.

[@kingvongaming7088]

ah yes, hes the goat because of geometry, trigonometry, and topology, warriors fans are something else

[@jamesbatcho]

@@kingvongaming7088lol casual

[@Gamer-sb2lq]

Bro what is Steph supposed to say no to the best pg ever? Like huge respect to Steph for having competitive spirit he is the goat pg and he has to believe it that’s like asking Lebron are u good at basketball u have believe in yourself huge respect to Steph!

[@maartenvz]

Please take mvp voting along in this debate, magic has way more mvp votes despite playing fewer seasons. And in the 80s there were also fewer votes...

[@gusneljoseph9241]

Bro i love your videos-sheeeeshhh😂😂💯🔥

[@DylngOfBordem]

magic is the goat PG because he didnt lose a finals when they were up 3-1 and became the best regular season team in nba history

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

Isnt a point guard supposed to run the offense. For golden state it runs through Draymond.

[@zacharybernstein5608]

Wassup hoop report❤

[@naoikeda9472]

Just retitle your channel as “I love curry and is biased as fuck”

[@nathanpalmer2024]

You guys are embarrassing. Steph is fantastic but when we’re comparing the two it isn’t even remotely close