The History: Rafale And F-22 Battle Simulation

Over 10 years ago, a French fighter plane, the Rafale, defeated an American F-22 Raptor stealth fighter in a simulated combat, setting off one of the most controversial moments in aviation history.
#f22 #f22raptor #dassaultrafale #rafale #fighterjet

[@liamx6636]

The Rafale is an incredibly capable weapon of war. Absolutely a monster of the skies.

[@cirONE65]

Washing please⛈️🚾🚿⛴️🌊💦🌧️🛒🤣🤣🤣😡

[@KOTAPA]

Bullshit.

[@NotGAL8XY_]

*F15 Eagle Has entered the Chat*

[@othmanlibra1887]

@@NotGAL8XY_ lol nice joke

[@sigma_frenchie4075]

​@@othmanlibra1887 the f15 is no joke

[@Lechristo]

It’s wrong when he said raptor killed 6 rafales it was Eurofighter not rafales. Rafale did one shot and the others was an equal elimination 1/1 so rafale wins few times vs a 5th generation

[@sabkarl]

indeed, Rafale appears later in Emirate fleets

[@robidobi-hq5jm]

It is very wrong with all what he said. Typical American bullshitting excuse. Because of that, they are now suprise and they should not be. Rafale will beat any American jet fighter not just in dog fight, but with METEOR, IRA and SPECTRA, they will beat them and beyond visual range too. Meteors are the best air to air missiles in the world, Rafale have them, and than SPECTRA who give Rafale electronic stealth capabilities, and all that with Rafale F3R, when Rafale F4 will be much more superior to any jet fighter.

[@NATObait]

​@@robidobi-hq5jmEven when Rafale, EFT, Gripen, F22 etc get together for dissimilar training they never NEVER allow all systems or tactics to be used. Simply always been that way, your radar is on 45% power the airframe has radar reflectors to enlarge your shape etc basically disguise and then play with your own toys in private. This is for getting used to cooperation with Allies if it is ever needed. Don't let it fool anybody into believing they know the truth.

[@shadowwolf6174]

@@robidobi-hq5jmthe f22 is almost undetectable on radar without very special programs tooto specifically search for it, and it can also shoot down planes from beyond visual range without ever being detected

[@robidobi-hq5jm]

@@shadowwolf6174 Yes, Rafale can do that too. Rafale has better radar than F22, has better missiles, Meteor is better BVR missile, Rafale has S.P.E.C.T.R.A, has IRA, has all the crap like F22, and will take out F22 even with BVR. What many people mistaken about the Rafale, the Rafale has major upgrades and the Rafale F4 is not the same airplane as the Rafale F1. Rafale F4 is capable of shooting down in dog fight or BVR F22, F35 and SU57 and Chinese planes without any problem because it has the same or better technology and it is that much advance than Eurofighter Typhoon, that once in excercise, one Rafale "shot down" four Eurofighter Typhoons.

[@poulette2937]

The fact the US Govt denied the incident says a lot

[@neutralprofit7699]

It wasnt an incident, it was an exercise, this guy's cap.

[@neutralprofit7699]

@Roger No, i didnt watch the video but, the only fight between rafale and f22 was a turnfight in a world thing i forgot the name where a lot of countries show there jets. Everything is classified, no countries ever told anything about this event.

[@tikou8377]

@@neutralprofit7699 s'été pas classifié s'été bien officiel s'été en 2009 a dubai et voici les scores: Rafale vs USAF F-16 : 6 - 2F Rafales vs RAF Typhoons : 4 - 0 avec les performances du système d'armes Rafale volontairement réduites Rafales vs RAF Typhoons : 3 - 1 avec réduction supplémentaire du système d'armes Rafal "dans les deux scénarios les Rafale n'avaient pas de systèmes d'armes complets" Rafales vs RAF Typhoons : 7 - 1 et le F22 a justement effectuer son Dogfighting se jour là!

[@jmac051]

@@TheatheistGod57 so let me get this straight you're enough of a loser in life that you think beating someone once out of 6 rounds while they have one hand tied behind their back is bragging rights?

[@neutralprofit7699]

​@@tikou8377 Je voulais dire que les détails des combats ont tous été classifiés si je me souviens bien, meme si on a des vidéos des combats.

[@richhead1999]

Any jet can beat any jet given the right circumstances. No jet is unkillable and it's naive to think it was otherwise.

[@deadshot4245]

very true but when you also tie a fighters hands up and put them on the ground to start the fight its tricky to come back when to loose the fight all it requires is basically flying hud bfm which the first two turns on a delta wing like the mirage or the rafale excel at the thing about the f-22 it can too and regain energy extremely well plus its hard to achieve solid radar lock

[@alainberset8644]

​@@deadshot4245 le titanic était insubmersible.... il n'y a pas que l'avion mais le pilote aussi

[@deadshot4245]

@@alainberset8644 absolutely correct but in an even merge the results would be far more fun to see really have them push each other's limits

[@johnearle1]

Look at the MiG 17 Fresco. It was a proper pain in the ass to the Americans in Vietnam.

[@richhead1999]

@@johnearle1 American missiles sucked and the F4 was made for running away fast not dog fighting. Good example

[@joachimmahoudeaux8619]

And guess what ? Pierre "ATE" Chuet, ex Rafale marine pilot, complained in his later youtube video that the french pilots could be even better and have more 30 hours of training per year, he also complained that Safran was ok to give them even more advanced reactors, but the DGA (the administration that decides the armies budget) called that an "aviator's whim"; That's just insane, France has currently the best technologies in the Rafale jets they sell to Qatar, India, Egypt but don't want to implement them in the french ones ! we have the smartest armament industry, with the most stupid bureaucrats 😕

[@ShortTermHasNoFuture]

You just forgot to precise, one thing : the current engines are perfects but in a hot desert.

[@NATObait]

Always upgrade the least effective part first hence Rafale replaced the first generation radar, the engine could be chipped to give more power but that would shorten it's life and so better to let it's missiles do the hard work.

[@MrChocobo12]

i tough the new version have a more powerfull engine

[@khoatran-sv7je]

It doesn't matter how good a plane is, it matters all on the pilot's knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of their aircraft and their opponents. Great example here showing the Rafale pilot knew what the F22 pilot was trying to do and managed to get on his 6. Also a great thing that this was a simulated fight so that both pilots could learn something new so they can use it in the future. Nonetheless, both absolutely fantastic planes.

[@dustycrophopper2743]

Correct! Give a novice soldier a knife and he will be barely able to defend himself. Give the same to an expert, he will defend himself and 20 others and kill equal amount of enemies also.

[@NATObait]

The pilots skills are needed less and less . 6th generation aircraft will have an optional extra pilotless derivative In fact AI has already been tested in US with an experienced F16; pilot against an AI flown aircraft and in mock combat it won 5-0. All that room/ equipment needed for a pilot oxygen, ejector seat, canopy etc could be room for fuel, weapons, censors etc. Inevitable.

[@Forevertrue]

And the missiles it can shoot. 5 to one is not a bad record.

[@hongkongphooey5944]

in a dogfight yeah. but not when your enemy can see and you have no idea there is a missile heading straight right at you. besides, the f22 already shot down 6 rafales and it only carries 6 missiles. it did its job!

[@Leontiger112]

Exacly

[@simoncoulston7223]

This French pilot is the master of his machinery. It wouldn’t have been a simple task tactically (nor both physically and mentally) to get himself into a position where he’s about to knock the F-22 right out of the sky. 9G’s come on now!!! This guy is proving himself to be harder than his aircraft. The F22 is unbeatable at the distances where it sees it’s opponent but can’t be seen itself. The closer it gets to the merge then and beyond, the less certain it is of a victory. Once up close it becomes more about the pilot and less about expensive coatings and next generation electronics. Once you can be seen with the naked eye it doesn’t matter how stealthy you are at a distance. Both aircraft are fantastic pieces of engineering but but on this occasion it has to be Viva La France 🇫🇷

[@w1tcb1gnet]

Douce France, cher pays de mon enfance... très bonne musique de Charles Trenet .👍🇫🇷❤

[@lolilollolilol7773]

BTW the actual final score was 4 even, and 1 victory for each aircraft. The video got it completely wrong, there has never been 6 victories for the F22 before that dogfight. I believe that was against the Typhoon (which the Rafale also crushed by 7 to 1).

[@davidmasipbach-zj8qd]

🇫🇷👍général de Gaulle avait raison,il fallait faire nos avions et non être à la solde des américains avec leurs matos militaire..je vois déjà dans certains pays européens qui achètent des avions américains au lieux de faire so français ou européens !! A nous tous ont peut faire des avions plus modernes et performant. La seule choses ces sens donnée la peine...Sincères salutations respect. Qu'elle domage se 22 raptor comme le f117 ...... un bon radars et accroché.

[@alessandro-sr7ki]

@@davidmasipbach-zj8qd As an italian I admire you French because while almost all europeans politicians tries to be more and more dependent on Americans, you French are the only ones who tries to be indipendent from Washington. Like Macron who supports an european army. Sadly Giorgia Meloni is like one of the most pro-american politicians in Europe so italy will be more dependent from America.

[@iandhunt80]

It is fair to say the pilot of the Rafael was in a better position and the F22 had bags. Hardly a be all end all conclusion.

[@XR190190]

It's better to lose against an allied pilot in mock comabt! Than in a real battle! It allows both allies to get better!

[@horu1688]

saying the truth 🇫🇷❤️🇺🇸

[@jasonclements4607]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[@santosoabimayu]

Its better not starting war

[@albertoj.mollinedo4116]

@@santosoabimayu lol

[@KrispyNuggetBoutique]

He's not actually struggling, that's an intentional breathing technique for high G maneuvers.

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

I saw the video in question, the guy is down right grunting under the G force for a couple seconds...

[@sigma_frenchie4075]

Yup, breathing techniques that make you struggle

[@s1storm]

I'd argue not breathing like that would make you struggle more...​@@sigma_frenchie4075

[@robidobi-hq5jm]

Many make a mistake, they are confused by the fact that the French always call different planes the same name, the Rafale and only they add the version codes, the Rafale is not an old technology, the Rafale is not a technology that is subordinate to the American, Russian or Chinese stealth, on the contrary, the Rafale F4 is the latest technology, and the Rafale F4 is different plane compared to the Rafale F1. Only the contours of the plane and the name of the plane are the same. The Rafale F4 is not an inferior plane to the American, Russian or Chinese ones, on the contrary, it is better in many aspects. For example, American, Chinese and Russian supposedly stealth planes achieve this with design and paint, while in the Rafale it is done by electronic SPECTRA. Likewise, METEOR is the best AIR to AIR missile, the Rafale is equipped with it, as well as with the IRA, which gives it the ability to target stealth planes without problems.

[@davidmasipbach-zj8qd]

🆓️👍👍rafales à ne pas oublié, il est multi-role dans sa conception..(.super étendard, il remplace le tornado, mirage f-1 ) et 2000 ...4 jets a la fois ....subsonic et supersonique....🇫🇷👍❤

[@anonymousface8711]

When we lose the competition,we said it’s not about the plane it’s about the pilot

[@RT-mm8rq]

I consider both fantastic aircraft, each with thier strengths and weaknesses. Usally the opponent that sees the other 1st has the advantage but that won't always be the case. Pilot skills are definitely a major factor because even the most advanced weapons without the proper traing is damn near worthless. I definitely applaud both countries for their engineering achievements.

[@dustycrophopper2743]

Hmm you're right

[@NATObait]

Both aircraft have different capabilities, F22 is an assassin lurking in the dark while Rafale is an all rounder capable of landing on a small carrier. As you see they have their strengths and F22 might best be used in combination with different types of partner able to perform more varied tasks. That is why we train with friends for when the dark days come.

[@ludovic7439]

Rafale , combat proven ...F22 , balloon killer...

[@robidobi-hq5jm]

@@NATObait That is not true. Rafale have F22 capabilities, F22 don't have Rafale capabilities. Simple as that. Beside, Rafale F1 launched in 1990s and Rafale F4 launched in 2023 are not the same jets, except they have the same name. F22 is not more advanced by technology than Rafale F4. Yes, F22 is stealth by design and paint, but Rafale F4 is stealth PARTLY BY design, paint and full electronically by SPECTRA. For example BVR fight, Rafale have METEOR missiles, so which jet have better air to air missile than Rafales METEOR? None.

[@NATObait]

​@@robidobi-hq5jmF22 is not in production but has been upgraded constantly, the big difference is F22 was never available for export so little information was openly discussed as their is no need. Rafale is now releasing it's F4 version and needs to impress potential customers ...that is the fundamental difference. F22 benefits include 1. A stealth design 2. Internal weapons bays. 3. Thrust vectoring 4. Supercruise capable with weapons Rafale benefits include 1. A Carrier version 2. ITAR FREE 3. Cheaper than F22 4. Ground strike capable As you see both designs are completely different and only overlap in AA capabilities. The ability to mask your presence by countermeasures is common to several aircraft, some more effectively than others. But if you start by having an RCS 1000 X smaller ( and use countermeasures obviously) you are harder to detect and track and have an advantage. The Meteor is better than AMRAAM AIM 120D in range but you have to detect and maintain lock and Rafale does not have 2 way data link to Meteor so that is tricky. Hanging weapons and fuel from pylons increases drag and RCS it also limits g manoeuvrability. F22 also holds more internal fuel ( it's bigger ) basically it was primarily designed to dominate in AA combat..that does not make it a better aircraft. The F22 is also not completely unbeatable if you can get close enough. F22 lacks helmet queueing so an IR missile launch can be achieved at scarry angles that can't be copied. You just have to get close enough!

[@crazylittlebigthings]

At the end of the day it’s all about pilot skills.

[@user-qd6bt9hi5u]

China fulfilling the dream of 640 years ago...France sells combat aviation technology to China. American troops leave.

[@user-qd6bt9hi5u]

technology! France sells nuclear technology to China.

[@user-qd6bt9hi5u]

. 6th generation fighters do not have pilots. In Europe, the 5th generation fighter was excluded from development. Europe is developing a 6th generation fighter.

[@MrGriff305]

​​​@@user-qd6bt9hi5u 6th generation fighters don't exist and pilot-less planes have not been proven superior, so your "correction" was bullshit

[@fluffytoaster2099]

​@@user-qd6bt9hi5u they do, its speculated that they'll have drones that could be an extra wingman and some might be able to be modifyed to be flown as a drone. But the 6th gen jets will most likely still have pilots inside

[@yousrich46]

The title should’ve been " how a Mirage 2000 shot down an F-22 " The mirage 2000 is an earlier generation single engine fighter, the fact that it managed to shoot down an F-22 is more surprising

[@a.mathis9454]

Why is it surprising? You know that the aircraft are up and you know the area of play. F-22 had 6 kills to 1 lose. Not great, but not terrible. If you can see it, you can shoot it.

[@diollinebranderson6553]

What's surprising his your lack of research and taking things at face value. The f22 was place in a disadvantage from the start and only has a DEFENSIVE role

[@yourtypical1722]

The F-22 is designed to engage in fights around 160km with it's AIM-120D missiles, in this case the mirage fails to detect the F-22

[@jonathansimmons5353]

F4 phantom 2 shot down 5 rafales at frisian flag 2008. Its called " rafale eater" google it.

[@patlelion]

USA : we are simply the best ahahaha French airforce Rafale pilot: hold my beer

[@jonathansimmons5353]

Yes.. or pastis as 2 rafales crashed together off the carrier in the 90s on a clear weekend on exercises in provence. .

[@hennies9509]

It is the pilot not the plane. I have always been a fan of French planes especially the Mirage but I love the F-22 as well.

[@jasoncseszko4715]

French Pilot's are very good. Watch some of their videos of them flying 👍💪👌

[@deadshot4245]

a delta wing craft is a superior dogfighting machine hence why most the best jets are delta wing by design

[@okcool987]

🇨🇵🇨🇵 the best

[@jeffarab4947]

@@deadshot4245 true kinda rafale is a awesome jet mirage 2000 saab gripen are really amazing

[@deadshot4245]

@@jeffarab4947 yep killer platforms each one love the mirage 2000 though beautiful platform

[@stitch77100]

@@braybilly Is it well documented ? I could not find a lot of official sources talking about this exercice. Can you tell me were you did find those info please ? Thx

[@robertwoods5169]

Now, that is a dedicated pilot to go so far just to be successful in that dogfight. Though it was a training exercise, the pilot deserves recognition and needs to be an example of just what others can do when they push themselves to and their craft to its limits, excellent job

[@shadowwolf6174]

The f22 was actually fighting 6 Rafale’s and it killed 5 before losing to the last one

[@Adfrench77]

@@shadowwolf6174wrong.. not rafal but eurofighter

[@user-ep6tz1me2r]

Согласен Рафаль прекрасный и высокоманевренный истрибител поколения 4 и 4++!!!

[@cccmmmooo123]

我想cy33不同意😂

[@solidbase77]

Просто обалденный по красоте истребитель! Один из самых красивейших самолётов мира! ))) Очень изящный. Чувствуется утончённый стиль французского авиастроения.

[@sergeyou2328]

Des deux côtés cela restent des hommes formidables avec une condition physique hors du commun et une capacité à prendre des décisions de manière immédiate. C'est une situation qui a tourné à l'avantage du Rafale saluant la qualité et l'expertise des pilotes français. Mais cela ne remet nullement en cause les qualités des autres appareils et pilotes. Ce sont eux qui pourront sans doute un jour sauver nos vies. Merci à eux.

[@IINoMerxyII-]

It’s not the jet that lose it’s the pilots that’s flyin the jet lose.

[@arun0nair]

If that’s the case Russians rule the world :)

[@tariacuri559]

I don't think so. The US Air Force must have qualified pilots, no excuses!

[@FatCuddlyPanda]

even an f 18 wins against the f22, the f22 is just, not the best

[@IINoMerxyII-]

@@FatCuddlyPanda it’s all bout the pilots skills

[@FatCuddlyPanda]

@IINoMerxyII -SXZX- that's actually false, we've been simulating dogfights with the air force and their f22s with our f18s, and the f18 has won every time, because of the f18s design it's specialized in quick aerial combat compared to the f22, the f22 doesn't have that

[@pauldaniel8791]

The U.S. lied about a freaking training exercise. Imagine how they lie to you about serious stuff... Scary

[@11Tits]

They didnt 🤔they admitted the F22 lost a fight but won the majority. Which is exactly what happ that is why they said the F22 dominated. Cause it did.

[@drfunkestein5841]

You know what........at the end of the story the emirate air force choose the rafale........ and that's it😂😂😂😂

[@kerry8977]

le raptor n'est pas a vendre, ....

[@SpectralLrdf-px2hc]

Vive la France 🇫🇷

[@tvdroid22]

Im sure the F-15 has been defeated many times in mock combat, but to this day remains undefeated at over 100 victories against zero losses in actual combat. Thats the whole point. Theres always a chance of a loss, but the F-22 will likely maintain a similar combat record.

[@mohba01]

LoL. absolutely wrong.

[@Sparks263]

@@mohba01 lol. Absolutely wrong

[@tvdroid22]

@@mohba01Didn't anyone ever tell you not to speak in absolutes? And, any good pilot will tell you, anyone who claims they've never lost in ACM training is a liar, and should not be trusted.

[@kartinosurodipo4520]

Victory from flanker? 😂😂

[@lordlol3787]

Yes, he wins very well against the pages of the world like Iraq, Syria, Libya...

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

The Rafale is the second highest rated air combat craft in the world, right after the F-22, so it would be surprising if it didn't get a few hits in.

[@kru-sen-hg1kd]

no its not its the f22 and the su 57 second and the eurofighter third and su 33 fourth and the f/a 18 fifth

[@elmateo77]

@@kru-sen-hg1kd The SU-57 has never been seen in actual combat though, all we know about it is stats published by the Russian government and they don't exactly have a reputation for being an accurate source of information...

[@FrenchViking466]

Lol​@@kru-sen-hg1kd

[@christopheleaute21]

Il y a pas que la machine mais aussi le pilote bref le Rafale reste le meilleur chasseur au monde avec des pilotes de l Armée de l Air Française tous aussi bon. Top Gun n ai qu un film.

[@davidmasipbach-zj8qd]

🇫🇷😂😂😂👍👍ouais il ferais mieux de resté avec leurs f-18....a cherché E.T 🤖👽dans le Pacifique 😊😊 ...une super gloire pour eux au lieux de nous la faire à l'envers avec nos sous - marin, qui eux marche ou navigue de suite Pas comme maintenant ou + tard avec seus des australiens qu'elle galère...vive l'Amérique 😅😅

[@desromic]

Wow, it's a 45th generation fighter? It must be from the future.

[@Mygo51]

4,5

[@baldwinivofjerusalem47]

​@@Mygo514.5

[@Acres9]

French technology baby

[@wiilli7685]

Skills is what counts overall. 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@1world2coexist]

That F-22 exploding though before the missile impact. 😅😂

[@fluffytoaster2099]

Proximity fuse...a missile doesn't need a direct impact to whoop yo ass, thats why it has multiple kilos or guns per hospital bills of explosives in it...cuz if it wouldn't be proximity fused it wouldn't need explosives cuz it would smatch ur radar signature at mach 4

[@sasha-andreathion2319]

For those who think that the rafale is a pale copy of the eurofighter typhoon well it's the opposite, the rafale is superior in all the competitions where it is and far exceeds its competitor but still finds itself in second position behind the very well known F-35

[@alexgasparini4548]

How can you say typhoon is a copy? Both project started at the same time, we can even say typhoon project started before the Rafale, because we know Dassault didn't agreed on the features and purpose of the Eurofighter... Sad that Eurofighter scored the same results on F22s on older red flags trials xD if I remember well typhoons had two full lock ons on f22. So we can really say Rafale is superior? Hell no. Even a mirage managed to score against an f22 this results invalidate all the good scores of Rafale typhoon and whatever other aircrafts. When an old mirage get this result on an f22 every other scores doesn't matter anymore.

[@sasha-andreathion2319]

@@alexgasparini4548 i did not said rafale was a copy and the rafale project have been finished way before the Eurofighter oh and one of the biggest issue is that the air entrys are so close to each others that if one explode the other will too (because of a technical term that i dont know to say in english) because if one explode the mid flight a burst of extremely heated wind and fire will go out of thé first air entry and will be vacuumed into the other turning into a disaster, but if the pilot is fast enough to react it can go well

[@sasha-andreathion2319]

@@alexgasparini4548 that is one of the main reason why Dassault industry quited

[@sasha-andreathion2319]

@@alexgasparini4548 oh ans lastly the rafale is stealth not as much as the f-35 but he still is.

[@alexgasparini4548]

@@sasha-andreathion2319 read what you wrote you literally said rafale is not a copy of the eurofighter but its the opposite. this is like saying typhoon is a copy of rafale. Keep in mind im not saying one is better than the other. i think in a real fight scenario is all about who get a radar lock on first. Rafale must be the better dodfighter, but eurofighter is known to retain energy better, typically energy retention is one of the more important stats in a fight. So imho they are really close as planes in performances. thought one is an interceptor while the other is a omnipourpose.

[@igoromio]

The Best plane is the plane with the best man in it

[@davidmasipbach-zj8qd]

Je suis d'accord avec toi l'avion top ok mes le pilote fait tout derrière. Je vois déjà dans certains reportages vieux 2 guerres mondiales ou les allemands avaient de très bon avions mes le nombre d'avions américain a fait la différence avec leurs p-51et le reste tellement qu'il y en a us 🇫🇷👍👍❤ ...le nombre fait toujours la différence. Je vois aussi en ukraine sa leurs fait gravement défaut plus les bombardier bien-sûr. Pour cela que les allemands avec les avions à la fin de la guerre avec leurs nouveau jets que personne n'avait à cettes époque les 190 fuckeulhoulf ...et seus à réaction qui volait avec de lidrazine ..toujour le nombre et aussi les pilotes sincère salutation. ❤

[@TheGonzalus]

The reality is, the F-35 (even though its big brother F-22 is) is not designed specifically for dog fighting. But for combined arms, air superiority missions. Yeah, in a dogfight everything is in plain sight, but US doctrine now marks "Beyond line of sight" attacks. So, that's one of the reasons why F-22s are in decommissioning mode. And returned to Lockheed Martín for a 6th gen fighter.

[@jamespatagueule4599]

the Rafale is not designed specifically for dog fighting too

[@selmevias1383]

The Rafale is a multirole, not a dog fighter.

[@NATObait]

Rafale was designed as a Dog Fighter first then other missions were prioritised with low speed handling for carrier use it's next biggest compromise.

[@Whowasinparis4]

F-22 has thrust vectoring..

[@selmevias1383]

@@Whowasinparis4 And yet still got shredded.

[@UnhingedCanadian]

The fact no one is talking about how there is maneuvers pilots aren’t allowed to do in the plane unless it’s in an actual combat situation as to not give away the planes secrets. This is well known that there is maneuvers the plane can do that pilots aren’t allowed to do or talk about except when they’re in the virtual computer simulation.

[@sombraarthur]

That is a lie. That pilot had to absolutely push the Raptor to its limits too. The airframe is rated to 9Gs max, same as the Rafale. Why is nobody talking that the Mirage could do the very same that the Rafale did, and is at least 40 years OLDER than the Rafale? The outcome was already decided on the drawing boards, as the Raptor was NOT designed to be a dogfighter first, but a long range fighter first. Rafale and Mirage were made with dogfights on mind.

[@UnhingedCanadian]

@@sombraarthur you’re wrong. Usa pilots have stated there is certain maneuvers with these planes that are only allowed to be done in real combat scenarios or in the simulator. You’re actually wrong.

[@sombraarthur]

@@UnhingedCanadian "Usa pilots have stated there is certain maneuvers with these planes that are only allowed to be done in real combat scenarios or in the simulator." Yeah, and you believed like a good Christian boy, without zero hints of how a lie is made. There are simply NO MANEUVRES that had not ALREADY been done. More than 100 YEARS of aviation will tell you that. Not even VERTICAL TAKE OFF AND LANDING is something we have not seen (and the Brits did it first, with the Harrier). So, yeah, their statement is bullshit, that gullible good christian boys ate line, hook and sinker, willingly.

[@UnhingedCanadian]

@@sombraarthur lmao wow you’re a salty little boy. What makes you think I’m Christian lmao you brain dead moron. You’re just so gullible and naive you believe things aren’t possible cause they aren’t public info. You spell in all caps like you never went to school. If I had to guess you’d sound like an inbread idiot in real life. The maneuvers are definitely possible and there is many things that we don’t know that they can do laser weapons, satellite warfare, nuclear emps, etc. you’re just so naive to believe this technology exists. Definition of a dumb human being when they can’t make a point with intelligence they start by name calling and bashing trying to invalidate someone’s opinion. Enjoy being miserable loser.

[@willywilmouth]

"dans une bataille simulée".......Comme un Jeu Vidéo!!....Avec un As de la manette, on peut faire n'importe quoi!!.. La preuve!! On peut toujours rêver.................

[@Magnus-m]

"It's not the fighter. It's the pilot in the box" - Tom "Maverick" Cruise

[@zorbeclegras5708]

A true expert🤣

[@romelrodriguez5113]

just what maverick said, is not about the plane its the pilot

[@michaelangeles9482]

what can you say …about F22 miles and miles he could see the enemy…how does pilot maneuverity skills of pilot helps…plus is AI tool kits…maybe pilot skill could help in 1st-2nd Jet generation…but gen5 -gen6..its about technology dude…

[@alexlo7708]

Like Boeing always say in plane accident. It is not the plane , it is a pilot.

[@charlesb2860]

​@@alexlo7708 fully aggreed - when boeing slandered the pilots of Lion Air.

[@NATObait]

An F16 with AI was tested against an experienced pilot in a F16......the pilot lost 5-0. The future is written soon we won't need pilots or they become an optional extra. Our children will routinely fly in a Boeing/ Airbus with no co-pilot and then who knows?.

[@sangpengelana3157]

The rafale pilot be like skill issue

[@I_Like_Balloons]

"It's not the plane, it's the pilot"

[@edouardcourty4267]

The rafale is the best fighter jet ever built in history, that’s it.

[@11Tits]

No its not 😂 if you read the kill stats the F22 held the majority.

[@mabo5701]

yes it is. so beautiful plane

[@Ajayharrysimon]

@@11Titswhat kill stats? against ground targets? The only airborne kills you ever had was chinese balloon

[@11Tits]

@@Ajayharrysimon holy fuck use your brain. In redflag

[@el86lo36fky]

it is the only aircraft capable of completing all missions while being very good everywhere, and cherry on the cake is not so expensive

[@patrickmassol6586]

Rien à dire, si ce n’est: 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷

[@johngross8300]

I imagine. 30 years USN 8300, the Raptor was given a series of handicaps. . . No one could do it Combat. Even in my beloved Navy.

[@redwithblackstripes]

Whishful thinking is a dangerous thing...

[@11Tits]

Actually yes the F22 is given huge disadvantages which screw it over for the training exercise. 1 they have reflector pads. They make the aircraft visible to radar 2 they are forced no matter what to keep 2 external bags on increasing drag, efficiency and rcs 3 the F-22 is hard limited to 7.2Gs this is the preserve the aircraft plus to stop it doing bullshitery on the enemy. 4 thrust vectoring is highly limited same reason as number 3. 5 the F22 should never get to the merge. NEVER. So in reality we never see the F-22s true potential due to these limits.

[@LordeLIFE]

“Even lulled -9GS-😂” / “Rafael is a 45 generation fighter”- 🤣🤣

[@rkxs_2442]

?

[@LordeLIFE]

@@rkxs_2442 - Who knows, dude. I didn’t write that. Maybe my account got hacked. Not something that I wrote but yet … there it is.. 🤔

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

"the Rafale pilot proved that a highly trained and cleaver pilot can ruin the day of even the best technology in the world"......lol What you obviously don't understand is that the French didn't send their best pilots, on the contrary, these pilots came to continue their training in air combat! .....and for "the best technology" as you said, it is your comment but it seems that nothing proves it; quite the contrary, here again!

[@p.s.6021]

French Navy Rafale the BEST 👌 in the World 🇫🇷💪⚜️

[@benchah5763]

The pilot was Emirati not French.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

@@benchah5763 No that's the Mirage 2000 pilot who also killed a F22. in this video it's a french pilot.

[@davidmasipbach-zj8qd]

Le f22 revenez pas du Pacifique a cherché ET 🤖 vue qu'ils ont dû mal avec un f-18 ornet ..😅😅😅

[@lazarodelacruz5532]

F22 is not designed for dogfight, as much as possible it’ll prevent adversary to come closer by using its bvr & shoot & use it’s stealth capability but if the scenario is dogfight then the fate of f22 depends on the pilot where in heat seeking missile & gun are used, perfect for within-range.

[@user-nq4wl8ys2g]

Like maverick said "it's not the plane it's the pilot"

[@jeanrenaissance309]

Et encore ! vous n'avez pas encore vu le rafale F5 qui va mettre la pâtée à tous les autres avions 😉

[@corsayr9629]

Top-secret aspects of the F-22 and F-35 are NOT used in mock combats. I don't know if the Rafale has any such features. But mock combats need to be kept in perspective. Props to the winner of the mock fight.

[@contrerasfrederic6058]

You are right ! They'd rather have their plane shot out the sky ! Good for business right??

[@corsayr9629]

@@contrerasfrederic6058 They would rather the top secret stuff remained top secret. The more you fly a stealth aircraft with all its tech fully implemented, the more opportunities others have to break your stealth.

[@contrerasfrederic6058]

Ok tbh it's right to not show your card... However as much as I'm an aviation fan (especially Lokheed Martin and the F-14! ) Arguably one of the sexyiest plane ever! You gotta admit that since the F- 22 something wrong and the F-35 is a flying turd lol But I guess all the money Lockheed got did'nt really go into that plane ,but maybe to some other project... If you catch my drift ;)

[@RS-op1th]

Do your research, the f22 had its external fuel tanks and stealth mode was N/A. The US does this on purpose in training exercises with allied nations.

[@KiKentreBaSs23]

The best fighter RAFALE

[@pascalschark7875]

I was told that the pilot didn't even have his full certification on Rafale, which is why he struggled so much to shoot the Raptor. Wasn't it true?

[@hunt3r671]

True.

[@hunt3r671]

He have loose 2 time his shoot window by overshooting.

[@pascalschark7875]

@@hunt3r671 when he has 200 hours flying on Rafale I think he'll shoot two Raptors in the same time or five F35. It's only matter of training.

[@hunt3r671]

@@pascalschark7875 no, i know who are this pilot, when he have made this training he have only 90 hour of fly on the year. The french army standard are 140 hour.

[@pascalschark7875]

@@hunt3r671 90 one kill, 140 two kills, 200 three kills and so on. USA would have better chances if they buy Rafale, they have enough money to pay their pilot's training.

[@WillieWanker8135]

The Su57 is now considered to be reduced visibility

[@NATObait]

So is a cement mixer. SU 57 has gaps in panels that reflect radar and the canopy is full of bubbles so only an idiot would climb high . Hence the 10-15 SU 57 flying today are not dominating the airspace over Ukraine but still undergoing trials.

[@pandibbarman]

​@@NATObaitf I am not wrong the su57 are not dominating ukrain in fact Russia still doesn't have air superiority over ukrain and even if they had used them it's probably from inside Russia's border from the safety of theri air defences.

[@pandibbarman]

​@@NATObaitaccording to sukhoi themselves the rcs of su57 is just a little smaller then an fa18 so you can't really call it a stealth jet with that big rcs

[@aleeks1071]

Its not a plane it is a pilot

[@jayvee8502]

For an F22, dogfight is last if there is no option is left. That was just an excercise but rea world scenarios F22 has a lot of tools to it's disposal.

[@johnearle1]

When the Germans were secretly training pilots in Lipetsk in Russia, the Russians said you always beat us in mock dogfights because your planes are newer and faster. The Germans switched planes and still beat them. A skilled pilot can squeeze every bit of ability out of an aircraft.

[@thf1933]

Nice grandma tales

[@srdjan6004]

How U know about that if it was a 'secret' . 😅

[@johnearle1]

@@srdjan6004 The English and French would’ve freaked if they found out the Germans were training pilots in Russia. It would’ve contravened the Treaty Of Versailles.

[@srdjan6004]

@@johnearle1 so...now, U are telling me that today is a Tuesday...c'mon, bro...

[@waldgeist3234]

​@@thf1933He's probably talking about East German pilots in the cold war era. Since East Germany was an ally of Russia, this might actually have happened. East Germany was know to be very pedantic about basically everything and especially about military training. Russian military was just as corrupt and overrated as it is today, so East German pilots would Most likely have had a good chance to beat Russian pilots. The planes were more or less the same on both sides, because East Germany used Russian planes. East German planes got better maintenance, though.

[@DMT-ix9zj]

Remember in a simulated battle like 6-7 years ago a swiss sub sank the Gerald r ford supper carrier "SIMULATED BATTLE"

[@NATObait]

I think a Swiss submarine is unlikely as it would be lake bound. Perhaps you are thinking of Sweden and Gotland Class that was loaned to the USN for a year of training ( being the first of the Stirling engine type ) against this emerging class.

[@niweshlekhak9646]

There was no Ford class carrier 6 years ago, first one was commissioned 5 years ago.

[@simonvds4429]

lol Swiss sub hahahaha

[@Aisenheim]

We learned that from Top Gun Maverick in a spectacular way

[@ppvk2610]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn a Grippen also victorious against a Raptor in an Atlantic training operation?

[@jimaldridge4284]

Old news, this happened years ago when the F-22 was not fully equipped with IO sensors plus the oxygen problems among pilots were an issue during this time frame. Every F-22 pilot is highly capable, best of the best.

[@babarsaleem2861]

😂 American can't digest it 😅

[@jean-claudedelage7367]

@@babarsaleem2861 Dans cette confrontation les Américains sont de mauvaise fois .

[@tomtugboat]

@@jean-claudedelage7367 From the country that produces a car called “ the lemon “!

[@user-yw3xx8zv6y]

این یک بهانه هست؟؟؟مهم خلبانی که چقدر تجربه دارد؟؟؟

[@jean-claudedelage7367]

@@tomtugboat De quoi tu parles ?

[@Ricklyplinth]

The nighthawk was the first operational stealth fighter jet. Though it's usually classified as an attack jet. Also, dog-fighting isn't really these planes strength, but all depends on pilot ability.

[@fluffytoaster2099]

Ma guy watched to much top gun, the f117 was never designed with air combat in mind... It has no gun and can't carry missiles lol

[@jamescatau4968]

​@@fluffytoaster2099 It had the capabilities to it just was never outfitted with that in mind. The f22 shelved it.

[@stickiedmin6508]

@@jamescatau4968 Who on Earth told you that? Fluffy is absolutely right - "The F-117 was never designed with air combat in mind." It 'had the capabilities to' drop bombs and/or take pictures - nothing more.

[@kaetos03]

DAFUQ IS THIS CHET.... THE F22 strenght is dog fighting...

[@solidbase77]

@@fluffytoaster2099 Nighthawk is rather a stealth-bomber with a nuclear strike ability. It could carry 2 B61 nuclear bombs inside.

[@anndroid8734]

5th Gen Fighter is stealth, for Hit and Run, not DogFight

[@CMBelite-FR]

only good for recon and not even sure because today you have ground mobile radar, EWR, AWACKS + datalink, Stealph aircraft would still be spotted

[@durandil]

The F-22 was supposed to be designed as the best everywhere, even in dogfight. Don't you remember what US engineers said ?

[@Warbeaver]

Little known fact, the Raphael is a ninja turtle. Not an airplane.

[@kentgladden4316]

The F-22 exists to be a Sniper, dude. Unheard, unseen, untouchable. It's not tasked w/ being a dogfight brawler. Cuz dogfights are largely obsolete. BVR. And the old US of A has one more trick up her sleeve. The speed of Light. Tip of the hat to Rolls-Royce who recently announced entering the EV aircraft game w/ their new line of turbo-electric generators. 500KW - 3.5 MW. Seen the 500 KW model. It's 6' long & weighs ~250 lb. 8 of those WILL fit in an F-22's internal payload bay. And that equals a 300 mile range legit laser kill weapon on a Mach 2.25+ true stealth (0.005m RCS) fighter jet. It's about to get real interesting...

[@johnelliott5875]

So true not built to dogfight just stand off and kill

[@deadshot4245]

@@johnelliott5875 its absolutely built to dogfight its an air superiority fighter its a part of the design if you were to place the rafale and the raptor in a fair merge head on in stealth config fox-2 lock required to win raptor would most likely have it in the first or second turn every time and im talking flown at full flight envelope too not limited

[@dederistote]

It is completely deniable on the contrary😂 All tests and comparisons or almost all give the Rafale as the winner

[@BASSHOLE8752]

Nothing is ever certain in battle, even mock battles.

[@starguard4122]

TOP GUN MAVERICK " Its not the plane that wins, its the Pilot"

[@nlas6136]

It didn't happen just once, it's rather most of the time that the Rafale beat the F-22 and even the F-35 in dogfights...

[@exquize1660]

That was the Mirage 2000 not the rafale, he's mixing up everything, Mirage is older gen with single motor... can't imagine with rafale then.

[@w1tcb1gnet]

​@@exquize1660Les mirage 2000 ou F1 sont désormais à la retraite en France ou revendu dans d'autres pays, d'ailleurs boudé par l'Ukraine 😅 à l'heure actuelle la France est équipée de rafale malgré son âge déjà très avancé devant ses concurrents internationaux mais restera l'un des meilleur si ce n'est plus, des meilleurs avions de chasse inscrit dans la légende du ciel.😊 T.Y

[@11Tits]

Wait a minute why did the F22 wing 4 out the 5 fights with the Rafael then? 😂 both confirmed by both sides?

[@okbutthenagain.9402]

@@11Tits Stop talking sense or you will upset the french fan boys.

[@1aZoOs]

​@@11TitsIt was 1 win each and 5 draws. F22 has been locked down by Mirage, Eurofighter etc, so called less superior aircrafts. Pilot plays a big role, the aircraft is only as good as the pilot.

[@BravoM1ke]

O Rafale é um caça que chega perto de superar o F-22 a grande diferença foi esse piloto que suportou 9G e levou o caça no limite 👏👏👏

[@sombraarthur]

Todo piloto é certificado a passar por 9Gs de força. O Rafale estava lutando a 9Gs, mas o F-22 também estava. Ambos os jatos são limitados a 9Gs máximos, para evitar danos na carcaça do avião. Logo, AMBOS estavam nos limites. A diferença é que o Rafale é um avião de combate por prioridade, um bombardeiro, um interceptador e um caça de superioridade aérea por casualidade. O F-22 é o exato contrário, é um caça de superioridade aérea invisível a radares de alta frequência que luta a grandes distâncias por prioridade, e é capaz de virar um interceptador e um avião de combate por necessidade. Logo, o resultado dessa batalha já estava definido desde o tempo em que ambos ainda eram projetos em pranchetas. O Mirage que é AINDA mais antigo teve o mesmo resultado. E pela mesma razão. O Typhoon é um interceptador primário, que tem a caça e o combate de longas distâncias por necessidade.

[@titi9442]

Un mirage 2000-5 avec un radar RBE2 et des missiles meteor est plus performant rafale 2 ème génération pour certain type de mission. Merci de préciser les versions des avions engagé, le type de dogfight, le type d' d'armement autorisé, les règles d'engagements etc...

[@pierreaugereau9845]

Thanks for this clever video. F22 is a highly technological air superiority aircraft that can rule the sky. France has a different approach having a much valuable versatile aircraft that can carry out many different types of missions. In the hands of a very good pilot, it can make the difference and I guess the US have very good pilots too.

[@titou3744]

rafale 👍

[@willisix2554]

Whenever videos like this are made they NEVER tell you that in this type of "combat" The F -22 is NOT allowed to use its Full capabilities

[@ruipires7630]

yes it's like asking a boxer to go fight except you can't move, can't block, and can throw a punch each 5 minutes

[@willisix2554]

@@ruipires7630 yup

[@Jugement]

The Rafale is superior in dogfight regardless, especially its latest upgrades. But it is true that it is not the main philosophy of the F-22, which is built for long range stealth engagements at FOX-3 range, and in which role it is undeniably vastly superior

[@zackardothugz7219]

It’s more about de type of exercise F-22 is more like a sniper which kills before being detected

[@kaetos03]

@@Jugement Man... it has super aggresive thrust vectoring... for dogfighting... It just happened to get his ass handed to him by a better pilot/conditions.

[@ttp_007]

It was a pilot vs pilot defeat, not a machine vs machine event.

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

Regardless of how advanced tech you have, every time you go up, you have to win every single time. Your enemy only needs to win once.

[@FlyingBuzzard]

The F-22 is not a dog fighting aircraft per say it is a stand off aircraft , the Rafale on the other hand is designed more for dog fighting ( close contact ) . If you watched simulations you would and could even see WW2 aircraft being able to line up jet aircraft including F 22's and stay in a fight longer than you would assume In a real world scenario a F 22 would shoot down multiple Rafale's among others from long range where the Rafale and most all other aircraft would never see the F 22 at all There is the differences. But on any given day IF they were to come in close contact even a old fighter aircraft could possibly get a shot on a F 22 and get a hit if a pilot has the skills to work fast before the F 22 does it's thing no other aircraft can do.

[@FlyingBuzzard]

@CODE.NO_NAME Reread my comment.... In a real world scenario a F 22 would shoot down multiple Rafale's among others from long range where the Rafale and most all other aircraft would never see the F 22 at all And the F22 has ability many aircraft does not and as I stated an old aircraft in cintact with a F22 could "possibly" shoot down a F22 in a close range contact...but that would be a very rare case, must like they claim the Rafale did In doubt simply go observe many Sim Video's showing how the F22 operates compared to multiple other aircraft...it speaks for itself

[@FlyingBuzzard]

@CODE.NO_NAME I have done a lot of research ( no surprises ) and the many interviews of various pilots of various aircraft, so I will stick to what I know at this Point...but the future holds many things and possibilities and changes to a vast many things . At some point manned aircraft will even be a thing of the past unless the world ends or is ended first

[@FlyingBuzzard]

@CODE.NO_NAME True, but it is happening even as we type and as the F=22 is still far superior to the Rafale Bah ha ha ha

[@FlyingBuzzard]

@CODE.NO_NAME the one in a dreamland appears to be you or are you drunk? Either way your still wrong and will always be it appears . I gave you the benefit of the doubt, now your just being willfully foolish . And you are correct this game is now over< So get over it already . Au revoir

[@FlyingBuzzard]

@CODE.NO_NAME Plz...you think they show REAL cockpit view of a aircraft that is 90% still classified ?,,,Bah ha ha ha ... You remind me of the guy on a US TV commercials who thinks everything on the net is real, guess that makes you the French Model guy ....LOL

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

the Rafale is an incredible fighter, the best in the world today for sure. we try to hide the fact that the F22 is a real flying pad. Stealth is now useless because radars have become extremely powerful, the French have opted for flight agility and performance, it's a winning bet.

[@jonsimmons4150]

Bullshit.

[@swisscheese3275]

Bullshit.

[@yunusozkaradag3069]

80'li, 90'lı yıllarda tatbikatlarda Türk F-4'ü ABD F-14'lerini, Türk F-16'sı ABD F-15'lerini düşürdü defalarca."Önemli olan pilottur" Albay Maverick, Top Gun.

[@cllc8020]

According to the director of the Rafale project at the DGA, the Radar RBE2-AESA/Missile Meteor combination makes the Rafale the most efficient aircraft in the world in air-to-air

[@hongkongphooey5944]

so how come the f22 shot down 6 rafales before it got shot. if i'm not mistaken the f22 only carries 2 sidewinders and 4 amraams missiles.

[@charlesb2860]

@@hongkongphooey5944 : the RBE2-AESA/Missile Meteor entered service in 2016 (you can check on wiki). The air force training exercise happened in 2009

[@pandibbarman]

Well according to apples CEO apple is worlds most efficient phone 😂. Bro did you expect the director of the Rafale project to say f15 is the most efficient.

[@damien_madiro]

@@hongkongphooey5944 because author makes a mistake it was eurofigther jets not rafale

[@1aZoOs]

This video is wrong, it was eurofighter typhoon that shot down f22. Rafale has much superior armaments and the best product out of Europe.

[@armmr3256]

bien le rafale👍

[@debdyutidas4383]

Give credit to the pilot also. Because he is the main guy.

[@alexgomez-rc5nt]

It all comes down to the pilots experience

[@JulienBorrel]

It’s Rafale, not RafaEL. It means strong wind gust.

[@alexlo7708]

Rafale has good TW ratio. It can dodge F22 in close combat for sure.

[@NATObait]

F22 has a higher TTW and thrust vectoring so basically it has better manoeuvrability but definitely neither can outmanoeuvre IR missiles that can make 60 g turns.

[@alexlo7708]

@@NATObait Rafale has its wing more aspect ratio than F22. So F22 has not edge in manoeuvrability.

[@thor498]

This goes to show that you only hsve the edge above others if you have the better pilots too.

[@rogeriomauricio9946]

Eu acredito na expressão, "Não é o avião, é o piloto." É só olhar nas competições de velocidade, onde os carros são IGUAIS. Aguém ganha a corrida.

[@danf16dcc38]

Friendly training vs. real world. It is totally different. The f22 is probably allowed to be shot down to help in training

[@ivandelabanque1806]

Lol.

[@stevem2323]

​@@ivandelabanque1806Lol? Dopey they literally had external tanks on them.

[@travisraplee6648]

​@D R ya a lot of this story was left out, ROE was no BVR, which is essentially the raptors main gig, is shooting you before you ever know he is there. Plus it was mandatory for them to have EX fuel tanks......making them not so stealthy and also cumbersome. The French cam pound their narrow little chest all they want, US air force is still king of the sky.

[@markwest1963]

@@travisraplee6648 yep and in real life the 22 would have dropped *all* the Rafaels before they even knew they’d been painted. Every single one, aggressive French pilot or not. The video is a joke.

[@champnomnom7764]

Turns out that f22 was given limits by a software. It was for testing specific things on the f22. This "combat test" was when they were still developing the f22. Even though there were fully operational f22s available it was the test frame that was used. And medi ran with it. Kinda like how they did with the f35. It overachiever on everytest minus the dog fighting. And that was with limitation too.

[@josephperez7015]

The US Air Force didn't deny the incident. It denied that the Raphael is capable to fight an F22 without full fuel on two external fuel tanks mounted under the wing to make the jet visible on radar, and extremely slow and sluggish to turn. The fact that the F22 still shot down 6 Rafaels with that huge disadvantage says a lot.

[@NinjaTutel360]

someones salty lmao

[@josephperez7015]

@@NinjaTutel360, nah, just tickled pink that foreign nations act like children bragging about having defeated an adult mma fighter and leaving the details out of the mma fighter playing games with both hands and feet tied to see how much fun he could have playing around

[@NinjaTutel360]

@@josephperez7015 foreign ? we gave birth to the mma fighter. Respect your elders boyo 🤣. Even though our bones got brittle, we still remind you who your daddy is.

[@josephperez7015]

@@NinjaTutel360, you're too delicate to even take seriously... that's my entire point.

[@irov5884]

Zoom on the video, there is no external tank on the F22, that's a lie made up by the americans not to lose face.

[@drush525]

They failed to mention the Rafael pilot was smoking a cigarette while flying this mission.

[@TheDanno34]

A Gitanes at that 🚬

[@alejandroroderick]

And sipping on a glass Chardonnay 😂

[@aravioli4203]

Just because the Rafale could lock onto the F22, saying the Rafale could shoot down an F22 is a long shot. Flares, Evasive manoeuvres, and out right good piloting can still prevent getting hit by a middle. All of which, the F22 raptor is the best at. In the world.

[@Ricksjustice]

You also have to take into account that when they (F22s) do exorcises with other Nations the pilots are limited and are NOT allowed to show the planes full flying capabilities. This has always been the case for them as they do not want the plane's full potential known until it's needed.

[@alexlo7708]

Once in Thailand, F5 shot down F15 in drill. We all knew its hoax playing.

[@jimmunro4649]

Good try but I don't so

[@Ricksjustice]

@@jimmunro4649 good for you Jimbob!! Personally I don't give a shit what you "don't or do" facts are facts. You can F O though. Best Regards

[@Matthew_Percival]

​​@@jimmunro4649, you're missing a word.

[@seliparputus4564]

Sound like excuses.. the other planes probably not show full flying capabilities also.. 😂😂

[@JayB2]

There is a couple factors here. 1) how good were both pilots? If one pilot was better than the other that is a big factor. 2). If the F22 got into ten battles with the Rafale what would the score be? If the score was close the US would have to reevaluate things. But Id be willing to bet the score would be lopsided in favor of the Raptor.

[@TheStubertos]

He goes through all of this in the video. The F-22 won most of it's dog fights apart from two, and he states that the French pilot was clearly the better pilot and pushed his aircraft to it's limit whilst pulling 9Gs. Gotta watch the vid my guy.

[@NATObait]

@@TheStubertos the video is so blurred that you can't see the ' g ' rate of the Rafale. While the footage might be interpreted as a training kill that means nothing as F16 has similar footage of its combat against Rafale, though F16 actually lost 1:3 in training. But if F16 fanboys ran around claiming " The world is shocked F16 beat Rafale" and that Rafale was a two seat version so should have better situational awareness, how would French patriots react? It realistically proves that not even the best aircraft are invincible but the truth is the days of close quarter dog fighting have gone and first choice is always 1. BVR Meteor AMRAAM etc 2. WVR using helmet queueing again typically 10 kilometers away ( IR missiles can make 60g manoeuvres ) If you ran out of missiles would you engage in a gun fight or simply return to base and rearm ? So this proves it is theoretically possible to defeat F22 but realistically it is an occasional outcome for 4+ generation aircraft and only F35 has the tools to close the gap to a 50/50 outcome.

[@durandil]

There were 7 fights : 1 US victory, 1 french victory, 5 draw

[@11Tits]

@@TheStubertosfun fact the F22 is limited to 7.2 Gs for these training exercises. Plus within that dogfight between the mirage 2k the F22 did actually get multiple radars locks withon the mirage but gave no calls. Watch the full hud clip.

[@blackngoldfan2004]

"It's not the plane. It's the pilot." - Maverick and Rooster.

[@hilairelaplume1616]

This is like when I fight my older brother 500 times and lose every time except for one and then I post it all over Facebook

[@legion6277]

So the F-22 shot down 6 Rafale and met his match against a superior piloted Rafale.

[@johnoliver4739]

No... It was set up inside visual range, with exterior hard points, exterior tanks, all the things that take away stealth and limit the F22... If they had started 100 miles apart, beyond visual range, with full stealth capabilities, the F22 would have won without the Rafael ever knowing it was there.

[@HoLeeChit11]

@@johnoliver4739 bollocks

[@mrtan1309]

actually the purpose of a modern stealth fighter is like a military sniper equipped with a long range rifle and sniping down his enemies without even letting them know where he is. These modern marvels wasn't engineered with a priority to do close combat dog fights although many would argue that the F22 was equally capable in close combat due to its sharp maneuverability and lower turning radius.

[@Aisenheim]

​@@mrtan1309yet the F22 has vector trust technology for superior maneuverability. Probable the most agile plane in the world. The pilot was still the weak point.

[@denkeylee]

@@johnoliver4739 People don't realize these exercises are heavily controlled.

[@bschneidez]

Is everybody going to ignore the massive handicap of the external fuel tanks mounted to the f22 here? Also I doubt they started in a mutually advantageous position, often the f22s are handicapped by starting position as well.

[@apolakigamingandmore6376]

The Philippines' own FA-50 also managed to take down one F-22 in a dogfight training recently.

[@Theheep]

It would be impressive if the f-22 wasn’t crippled by the drop tanks.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

@@Theheep That was the excuse given by the USAF but you can see in the video that it doesn't have drop tanks.

[@Theheep]

@@lolilollolilol7773 I am referring to Philippines FA-50 taking down an f-22 not the video of the French dassault rafale taking down the f-22

[@11Tits]

@@lolilollolilol7773bruh what? At no point did we see the belly of the F22 from this fight. Look up F22 dogfight redflag and you will see nearly all of them have bags on. Its not an excuse by American its a requirement by nato for these battles.

[@JumpingFlapjack]

Knowledge and skill decide the battle, or luck, but here it was the first reason. The fighting equipment can be as good as it wants to be.

[@thomasbailey9820]

In the movie "every which Way but loose" Clint Eastwood had to loose to tank Murdock because he couldn't reveal his true strength and capabilities that would have made him a target for other fighters to challenge.

[@robidobi-hq5jm]

What many people mistaken about the Rafale, the Rafale has major upgrades and the Rafale F4 is not the same airplane as the Rafale F1. Rafale F4 is technologically superior than F22! Rafale F4 is capable of shooting down in dog fight or BVR F22, F35 and SU57 and Chinese planes without any problem because it has the same or better technology and it is that much advance than Eurofighter Typhoon, that once in excercise, one Rafale F2 "shot down" four Eurofighter Typhoons. Eurofighters are not even competition to Rafale.

[@okbutthenagain.9402]

Just stop with your idiot ramblings.