The Homeless Catfish That Became a Killer... | The Case of Ingrid Lyne

True Crime: After Ingrid Lyne, a nurse and a divorced single mom to three children, went on a date with John Robert Charlton in April 2016, she let him into her home with open arms. But after several encounters, he would betray her trust in the most horrific of ways.
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00:00 Intro
01:23 Seattle
02:35 Ingrid Lyne
04:50 Online dating... John Charlton
07:58 April 9th, 2016
12:05 Aftermath (911 CALL)
16:02 Evidence
22:22 Legal Proceedings
24:45 Remembering Ingrid
26:10 Outro
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[@CoffeehouseCrime]

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[@romanachowdhury10]

Congratulations on hitting 1.83M subscribers 🎉

[@Scraggledust]

Heck yes!! Here’s to two million🥂🍻🥂

[@J..a..y]

might just be me. The way you YELL at the beginning of each sentence then trail of Softy spoken. I can't watch ur videos. I really wish I could I love the content .

[@BeverleyJantjies-bc6sm]

I'm so happy for you my friend. You deserve this and so much more. 💗

[@jess6064]

@@J..a..ystop being weird

[@back_in_thyme]

The fact that there was no real motive, and that he did it so quickly and cleanly, makes me wonder if he’s done this before…multiple times.

[@perfectly_imperfec]

Oh for sure!! These types of crimes are *rarely* the first ones, especially as you pointed out. First timers are sloppy.

[@Nostalgic_1]

I think that when she told him that she wasn't ready for him to meet her children yet it enraged him. Why? My thoughts are that he felt slighted and thought that it was because he was homeless, jobless, and didn't have a car. He probably had a chip on his shoulder about his situation and it made him feel like he "wasn't good enough" to meet her children and he became enraged and killed her. Just my thoughts about it.

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@Nostalgic_1no matter how ‘nice’ someone is, the fact that he didn’t have a regular job OR home should have been a red flag. Anyone can lose a job, of course, but it doesn’t seem he was even trying to find a good job. Likewise anyone can have a financial crisis and end up temporarily homeless. What I’d ask is what they were doing about it. Is this a responsible guy who’d had a run of bad luck but was putting his life back together? Or chronic drifter who might not be violent but at best just looking for a woman to sponge off?

[@kristentrep5038]

@@nhmooytis7058exactly! I’d be very suspicious of a man whose even on a dating website at a time in their life where they ought to be putting their life back together!

[@loafer898989]

Horrible and chilling thought there

[@purpleoryx1774]

I love that you never blame or even suggest that homelessness is the cause in this case. I was homeless for 6 months and finally got my apartment. Hearing us dehumanized is awful and I am so glad you are the type of person to see beyond that.

[@danutat9915]

So glad you were able to get an apartment. I can't even imagine for a moment how it feels being homeless. My heart especially goes out to young inexperienced kids. All the best to you. ✌🇨🇦

[@MrGothking121]

I’m so happy for you for getting a place! I was also homeless for about 6 months when I was in my early 20s. People are so quick to judge and make us feel worthless but don’t understand how hard it is to climb back.

[@AnneOhn123]

I too was homeless in my mid-50's... we all have our stories, and we are not all druggies or losers... that was what I discovered as I spoke to others in the same circumstance during my short plight.

[@purpleoryx1774]

Thank you both. I had a few friends willing to store some things so I didn't lose everything. And I had my dog. In my city a lot of people don't use shelters because they don't let you bring dogs. I was the same, I would never, ever abandon him the way I was abandoned. I kept working and eventually crawled out of it. I had to lie about my "current address" of course. People don't realize how hard it is to participate in society when you have no address.

[@sventer198]

@@purpleoryx1774I am so happy you are doing better. Most people are only one or two pay cheques away from homelessness, so nobody should ever think they are better than you, it can happen to anyone.

[@caribbeansunshine8911]

Ugh. As a Nurse, Mother, and Wife who found her husband on Plenty of Fish, my heart goes out to Ingrid. You work hard at the job, and hard at home, and deserve to unwind, only to encounter a piece of human garbage with homicidal intentions. Rest in Power Ingrid, you certainly didn't deserve what happened to you. Many times in life, the good ones are taken too soon. Peace.

[@user-nn4nv2tt8h]

As a human, man, millennial, and US citizen... I send my deepest condolences and a whole buncha prays

[@Phaserdeath]

@@user-nn4nv2tt8hhell nah 😂

[@melissamoonchild9216]

​@@user-nn4nv2tt8hok...no need to be sarcastic. obviously she can relate to the victim in many ways.

[@funkrobot9762]

As a human, male, student, and cat owner, I don’t see the sarcasm here.

[@priceandpride]

Gotta put in hours on your marriage also hun

[@derkeheath5172]

Even if you've "known" a person online for 5 years, it's insane to assume they are anything but a stranger.

[@slattisreal]

I’m a tea guy but I love this channel 👁️👁️

[@munky342]

I alternate between the 2 every few months, I'm all in on tea right now. I just pretend it's coffee when Adrian uploads 😂

[@tiarutherford493]

Ouuu Adrian's gonna get you

[@johnd5740]

Them fighting words

[@thegreencat9947]

I like coffee I like tea I like the java jive And it likes me.

[@Thefan]

I'm a coffee drinker, but really enjoy loose leaf tea.

[@lisamarie8436]

My daughter is best friends with her youngest daughter, we adore her. And I appreciate Phil a lot. This family has gone through so much and still does because of this tragedy. It's beyond sad for these girls losing their mother this way. 😞 Thank you for presenting this case with respect & care. 🙏

[@paulthrutner9114]

And? Stop attention seeking

[@photocam913]

​@paulthrutner9114 and what are you doing?

[@bobrossopinions]

Both of you probably have no wife nor daughter. So, stop criticizing her for giving background on the family dynamic today. I am appreciative for the modern life update for the family.

[@braetonwilson4296]

Please teach your daughter not to give too much importance to a man's looks, height, weight etc. The murderer in this case is a slim good looking whyte man, someone who "looks decent" and is "easy on the eyes". Yet he is pure evil!!

[@bobrossopinions]

@@braetonwilson4296 Yeah, there are a lot of nice guys who want to marry a nice lady. However, they get turned down due to not having the six-pack or a high salary.

[@CandyApplesBurlesque]

I haven't watched this yet because Ingrid was a dear friend of mine. But I wanted to thank you for sharing her story. As someone who has been subscribed since the early days of this channel, I know that you did this with the utmost respect and care in sharing what happened.

[@miryana79]

I'm sorry rip 🌹 to your friend. There r some awful humans in this world who take advantage of good angels 🎉

[@user-nn4nv2tt8h]

I was also dear friends. I'm very glad at coffeehouse for handling with care. As a human with feelings and hands I sent many prayers and even some condolences. I'll take thoughts and prayers for my community please and thank you

[@kathejohnson4241]

I'm deeply sorry for the loss of such a precious person. God bless.

[@visassess8607]

He really did handle this with care and sensitivity

[@ThisAlphaWolf]

My sincerest condolences for your loss. My heart goes out to you, her family (especially her babies), and all who knew and loved her. I have lost a few friends who were as close as family to me. I know that pain well, and it never fails to stir deep emotions within me whenever I see comments from people who knew the victims of tragedies like these in life. I can only imagine how much more there is to know about her, as she seems to have been a most beautiful person inside and out. May Ingrid rest in peace, and may you all find some semblance of comfort in the wonderful memories you shared in making with her before she was stolen away.

[@maryannfascetti6421]

I understand her words " I am not ready for children to meet you " when I got a divorce my 3 daughters were young. When I decided to start dating again it was months before I would introduce him to my babies. Even if he had children of his own. As a mother you can't be too careful. This monster should not have been walking the streets. Really his own parents had a protect order against him. So sad for her daughters to now grow up with out the love of their mother. Healing prayers for the family and love . ❤

[@sn98886]

How about try not having three kids with someone you're just gonna leave immediately after lmfao. Sounds pretty dumb to me.

[@Tomy_Yon]

Having her body parts scattered all over the city is just another level of depravity. Bless her loved ones. 🙏

[@leoniea138]

Unthinkable

[@chrismanspeaker9372]

Hey, at least he was trying to recycle...

[@josephvisnovsky1462]

Dude put parts in recycling NOT garbage bins! It sound macabre, but putting garbage bags inside recycling bins was NOT criminal genius.

[@annenelson5656]

To me the idea of someone being murdered then cut apart and thrown in the trash is the worst thing that can happen to someone you love. I’m not sure that I would be able to move on if someone I cared about ended out that way. There’s no way I can fully extend my sympathies to her family and friends. It’s something that’s too terrible to imagine.

[@annenelson5656]

@@chrismanspeaker9372 What’s wrong with you?

[@Pandaluv75]

That’s so sad. Ingrid looked like such a nice person. Hope her children and family stay strong

[@loretta_3843]

It's just so senseless. Then you remember, on top of it all, there's 3 young girls who've lost their mother. That's such a traumatic, life changing experience for anyone, let alone children.

[@1amrainvn]

28 yrs is nothing , life without parole is perfect.

[@itslaurenmoe]

One of the things that I find most heartbreaking about this case is that her daughters had to hear about the state in which her body was found. Those poor girls. I live in Seattle and the coverage of this case was nonstop. I can't imagine the horror. I'm glad the cops actually moved quickly for once and caught him. I hope Ingrid is resting peacefully now.

[@VioletJoy]

My thoughts exactly. Lifelong trauma. 😢

[@melindaroop1346]

I can see what you mean, but theres no point in keeping it from them because they will eventually find out. My dad took his own life when I was 8 but my family lied to me about it and said he "Had an accident". I was angry that they tried to lie to me about what really happened.

[@Kisha_can]

For once? I know cops make a lot of mistakes and that there are plenty of shitty cops, but to say "for once" as if they dismiss every possible murder until they can be bothered with it is extremely ignorant and highly offensive to the ones who are dedicated to solving crimes we couldn't possibly imagine on our worst days.

[@carlholland3819]

@@Kisha_can look up the unsolved murder rate in america. its like 50%. they only solved this case because it was handed to them on a platter

[@annenelson5656]

I hope Ingrid’s daughters are doing okay. I can’t imagine what they have to live with.

[@Beastmode-zx9gm]

28yrs? For murder and dismemberment? That is just as disgusting and horrific as his crime 😡😡😡😡

[@inrptn]

Welcome to WA. Glad myself and my friends got out of there.

[@TargetsExpendable]

Liberal area. I can’t believe dismemberment got less than 30 years

[@toooldforthisshte1681]

@@TargetsExpendable Nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative, dingbat. Most Liberal states have Life without parole or death. So does Washington. This guy didn't get that because no clear motive was determined for the murder. Many red states could have given a similar punishment in this circumstance. Justice is complicated.

[@CaliforniaForever]

1) it’s Washington 2) he pled out and that was the maximum

[@Beastmode-zx9gm]

@@inrptn I'm from Portland so get it. It definitely is a disgrace regardless

[@5ShotProductions]

So if my math is correct the killer will eventually see freedom in 2044, when he is 65 years old. This sentence of 28 years is way too low, he should have gotten life in prison without the possibility of parole! Three daughters will have to face a life without their mother and that’s only one reason why he should have gotten life in prison! Thanks Adrian for covering this tragic case and best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp

[@ladytamaya4737]

Actually I just posted the exact calculation a moment ago. In fact, if I am right, he will be out in 2046, because he was sentence in 2018 for a crime committed in 2016.

[@5ShotProductions]

@@ladytamaya4737 You are right and I was wrong 🥴😆 I read your comment and then I thought „God dang it“ 😂 Of course I didn’t calculate in the two year difference and therefore my math was wrong! Next time I will ask my 10 year old son, he‘s the Math genius not me (for obvious reasons 🤪) Thx for the clarification and best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp 👋

[@Areniapixie]

That’s if he even does the whole 28 years, he’ll probably be paroled for “good behavior” 😡

[@5ShotProductions]

@@Areniapixie Sadly I also believe you could be right 😡 And that’s why I think the given sentence was too low! He should have gotten at least 38 or better 48 years… But sadly I wasn’t the judge.

[@Areniapixie]

@@5ShotProductions I’m with you, it definitely wasn’t long enough. They said he got the maximum sentence though with is crazy for what he did 🤯 Maybe because he pled guilty

[@loulou1356]

I honestly have learnt more geography from Adrian than I ever did at school. I love that we get a background on where the crime takes place. His content is unmatched in the true crime community in my opinion.

[@Sketch89]

Although online dating poses a threat, so does dating “irl”. People are weird and dangerous regardless of how you meet.

[@michelledoms8400]

Absolutely! You can't verify someone you meet at a party.

[@Breathtolive]

I met my husband of 10 years on POF & our child exists because of the on line site. My husband is a wonderful gentleman who is my best friend & a wonderful father. The man who I met in person in my hometown beat me for 3 years eventually breaking my jaw & splitting open my head requiring many stitches. You never know.

[@rachaelm3298]

Unfortunately yes.. "its not all men" but its always A man... They are a depraved, vile species... In 2023, we ought to be safe from them.

[@tgo007]

in the US, it's almost 70% of people dating met through an app. It's the most common way to date now. So yeah online dating isn't the problem itself. It's just best to take precaution with who you choose on there. I would say background check the person if you can, but it usually cost money to do that. Also if you find out the person is homeless, it's probably best to cut contact. Nothing against homeless people. Treat them with compassion and kindness. But dating one is probably not a good idea.

[@Itried20takennames]

@@lolroflkartoffel123Having attractiveness be a plus is pretty universal, and if anything, guys do it even more. When was the last time you heard a guy bragging to friends “you would not believe this girl I have a date with tonight…,she has really amazing…niceness, and just enormous….listening skills.” Most “nice” guys chase hot girls way out of their league, then get mad and blame women when that goes poorly.

[@colormetakenaback]

Thank you for talking about Ingrid's story. She's stuck with me since it first broke, what that monster did to her. Also hits home because it's one of those worst fears with online dating 😢

[@justme6773]

I will never understand what makes anyone think they have the right to do such things. My heart goes out to Ingrid's family, especially her children.

[@derkeheath5172]

You'll never understand psychopathic reasoning? Well....congratulations, I guess, on not being insane....YET.

[@SupaChinido]

Simple, it's because of the endless pleasure and happiness seeking, so basically all human are despicable including the victim

[@saymyname2417]

​@@SupaChinido- 🤡... 🙄...

[@Visual_Jei]

This is why it’s so important to do a background search on people you meet on dating apps. All the men I’ve met on them had issues.

[@natalie-i2c]

how do you run a background check on someone you have almost no info on? id like to start doing that but usually you can only get their first name 😔

[@queenie859]

I'm a 13yr divorcee, and I'm happy to stay single when I hear stories like this. Thank you for a great video again. 😊

[@jus__gra]

@@theendisnearbeware…what?

[@einienj3281]

I'm a widow (4 years soon) and I'm seriously considering becoming a "crazy cat lady".. 💜😺😺

[@christopherwoodson7162]

​@@einienj3281not everyone is like that. Lol

[@einienj3281]

@@christopherwoodson7162 Yes, I know. But as an introvert and true crime addict.. I think I'm done with dating for good.. just adopting a herd of black cats and be happy.. 😊

[@GenX_files]

Same, divorced 8 years ago and I'm happy just raising my two teens. ❤

[@AngelsHandPrint]

I've come across this case before but love your take on it. Also love that you used the phrase "stick their own necks out" about the defense team. Them doing that when Charlton had already pled guilty was just mean to the family. Kudos to the investigators for responding so quickly and so effectively did their job. Certainly a thing we all wish had happened with all cases. I also appreciated the judge for reading out all the letters to his face.

[@stephenmoerlein8470]

Dating apps are a dangerous hunting ground for psychopaths. Thanks for remembering Ingrid and her family..

[@Alejojojo6]

Not always, millions find love and long live standing relationships in them... but you should be always aware of dangers hidding in them (as much as outside dating apps).

[@Highlyfavoured7187]

You re right Stephen

[@TheRealZeeNkosi]

​@@Alejojojo6True, dangerous people are everywhere tbh.

[@mrscookepedia4400]

Not all as me and my husband met in dating app and until now were still together and stronger

[@_HimToo]

​@@Alejojojo6millions? I doubt that

[@Brooder85]

It never ceases to amaze me, the utter idiocy of these imbecile criminals, to think they would actually get away with killing someone that they are intimately connected to, with mounds of texts messages, electronic correspondence, dating apps, etc. 🤦‍♂️

[@shriderrad4123]

"utter idiocy" "imbecile" ok little kid this is a youtube comment section not a MLA essay

[@MangoMaraudr]

I wanna reiterate what you said near the end, in that the Police really did do a good job on this case. It's not uncommon to see a lot of indifference in the early stages of a disappearance when it comes to law enforcement, but the Seattle PD was quick and effective when it came to Ingrid's disappearance. It's always good to point out and praise a good job done instead of just taking it for granted. Also, belated congratulations on your Classified Coffee! I'll have to try it sometime soon.

[@jenniferlonnes7420]

If only Seattle PD was as swift in investigating missing or wronged Natives, then that would be even more praiseworthy.

[@Erebus.666.]

They were only quick off the ball due to the mother having a shared phone account. Without that, it would have been the usual, slow to get any movement.

[@carlholland3819]

@@jenniferlonnes7420 if you're living on stolen land, you should give it back. the police mistreat all citizens, not just the indigenous

[@GrandmaGrannyLuvs.....]

Let's not forget it took over 6 hrs for them to connect the girl to the body parts found in the recycle bucket! That phone call right there was the catalyst to solving the case

[@PackofDiscos]

I think without a saw in the bathroom and purse/phone left behind, it would have been slow to grab that attention of the police like any other adult missing person case. Given the context, it would have been extremely negligent not to take it seriously from the off.

[@Seashoremeg]

What’s really scary is with his age he will be back on this street! God bless those lil girls and the rest of Ingrid’s family😢

[@utatanepiko7087]

Wait, what does that mean?

[@Areniapixie]

@@utatanepiko7087I think they mean that he only got 28 years. He probably won’t do the whole 28 years, meaning he will be out in his late 50’s early 60’s. Plenty of life left to cause more heartache 😞

[@Seashoremeg]

@@Areniapixie exactly 😢

[@MiThreeSunz]

Another tragic and sad tale of a young woman meeting her untimely demise at the evil hands of a monster! RIP Ingrid 🙏

[@cassiem3893]

RIP Ingrid. Yet another bright spark, so full of potential taken way too soon. 😢

[@TimHarris-jl8oy]

I cannot comprehend how violently gruesome some people can be to another human being. Evil.

[@Scraggledust]

Reminds me to be grateful, that my hubs and I weren’t fake when “we met online”. It is still dangerous out there, even when you think everything is calm and innocent. Always, always meet in public places and always run your states free criminal checks before your dates. It’s not guaranteed to keep you safe, but it is at the very least - better then nothing

[@AlinaWhitfield0510]

I meet my husband online 8 years ago❤ we are very happy❤❤❤

[@bellagiancola4952]

I tried online dating but feared that I'll attract crazies so I never went through with it. My best friend who lives in a different country introduced me this guy after chatting with him on an FB fan group. I was skeptical at 1st and didn't expect much since he lived in MO and I, in CA. I got lucky and beyond grateful. Next month, we'll be celebrating our 6th anniversary.

[@ChloegDavies]

19:38

[@braetonwilson4296]

Doing a criminal check is awesome advice! Also don't give too much importance to looks. In this sad case, the evil murderer is a slim handsome whyte man, someone who's "easy on the eyes" and yet he is pure evil!

[@williamhensley8698]

Meeting people in bars is much safer. No one lies in a bar.

[@amthatdad3450]

It astounded me how sincere he seemed at his sentencing. If he truly felt remorse to that degree then what could have motivated him to do what he did??

[@romeowandrainbow1040]

I agree I think maybe he literally lost the plot. He should never be allowed out tho

[@TOGade-dj6jh]

Love your channel. As for the killer’s heartfelt apology I wonder how sincere it was. He did after all dismember that poor woman. Brilliant narrative!

[@LaurenJewel]

Plenty of fish is just… Horrible. I’m so sorry that this happened, this is just beyond frustrating

[@ijustneedmyself]

With a name like that, I can't say I'm surprised. Lol. It has always struck me as...bootleg 😂

[@bettywith2girls]

@@ijustneedmyself Yet...I know someone who met her 2nd husband on POF and he is a great guy with a good job and takes good care of her (loves her very much). I think this can happen on any internet dating site. Thank God this poor lady had friends and family that were concerned about her and loved her enough to find the guy's phone number and then the guy, and then call police.

[@biggdogg99848]

Yeah and full of monsterous looking people lol

[@erickiyoshiphillips2323]

POF is a one night stand site and alot of fakr profiles. Never had a good match on there. Tinder seems better even though I haven't meet someone yet but I feel like going to the gym or doing something like that is better because you are putting ursrlf out there with like minded people

[@mongoose6685]

Worked for me. 2 children, a house and 12 years in!

[@MLGLastLevel]

I remember hearing about this case when it happened, it never ceases to amaze me how low people can go. Great video as always!

[@MrMuaythai84]

Liberal state has more homeless than workers stay woke go broke and keep pardoning criminals and d homeless

[@swallowedinthesea11]

Amazing for sure!

[@marievaleur7877]

RIP Ingrid, my heart goes out to her family, especially her little daughters....she deserved a long and lovely life.

[@monicatomlinson5060]

Such a sensless killing. Poor Ingrid taken from her children and family. Just heartbreaking.....😢

[@robertq55403]

Dating apps like all social media apps, make it easier to meet people, but so much more difficult to verify their honesty. On a different note, hope you and Nero have a wonderful week!

[@tooshay4me]

I live on a fixed income and am in the middle of moving due to rent increase, but as soon as I can, I am definitely ordering your coffee. I am so proud of how far you have come. You have a smart business mind and I look forward to see how far your empire will grow. Keep it up, always stay safe, and take good care of yourself, young man.

[@whitedanielj91]

Your respect for the victim and families of victims is an amazing voice of your character. Thank you Adrian for being you. We all love you and the content.

[@jahc3842]

I lived in Seattle when this happened and the live reporting on this was surreal. The entire Seattle community was impacted and devastated by this.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

Me too but I wasn’t really devastated. Just something that happened tbh, no need for dramatics

[@deviousredneck5109]

@@MeatCatCheesyBlasterseems a bit cold but I can imagine as big as seattle is that a lot if headlines are like this.

[@MomsBaloney]

Wow her smile was absolutely beautiful. So much worse when children are left behind. Hope her daughters can find solace and continue to bring out the best parts of their mother ♥️

[@courtnee1060]

This is so sad and could have been anyone. I met my current boyfriend on bumble and before him I had met up with someone else from the same app. Looking back at the previous guy, I wasn't even being safe (meeting at night among other things). This could have been anyone, and unfortunately it was Ingrid. I pray for her and her family

[@jerrybowers8833]

Adrian, I've been watching your channel for quite a while now. I like the way you can present cases that are so gruesome, that we really want to know about, but you do it in such a fashion that it brings dignity to these precious victims, without railing on and accentuating the horrible details. I've seen other channels that glorify the gruesomeness with even drawings of the details, which are as disturbing as the actual crime itself. Thank you for presenting these horrific cases with class and dignity to those victims.

[@evilkakepie708]

I can't handle the thought of my little boy growing up without his mama. Since becoming a father, it is ever more apparent how much he needs both of us.

[@patrickblakethesaint]

This one is heartbreaking... thank you for being so respectful. My thoughts are with the family.

[@lupeflores9093]

Hopefully Dr.Phil doesn’t try to take down your video 😔 but I’m so glad that you covered this case this woman seemed like a great mom

[@carlholland3819]

dr. phil didnt do shlt. the lady on his show didnt have any insight and yet he broadcasted it like she was full of revelations. wonder why? maybe for ratings?

[@Stu161]

9:19 those chalk drawings on the sidewalk really struck a chord, damn.

[@nayde1792]

I love how you put the news clips in a tv/living room setting ! First time Iv seen that & it’s brilliant !!

[@spicybrown75]

Nice observation 😊

[@Wolfietjuh]

On the note of "dangers when meeting people online", naturally I agree and grasp that there are certain dangers to it, and any actions taken that can reduce the risk should absolutely be encouraged. But I also feel that, placing the focus on "strangers are dangerous when you meet them online" takes away from the dangers that any stranger can realistically pose, no matter where you met them. Whether you meet them at a bar, as a classmate, through mutual friends and so on, that doesn't necessarily mean the person is "safe". One should always be prudent and careful around new people, especially if over-time red flags develop. And even then, you may have known someone for years and they can still turn on you at some point. Meanwhile many people you meet online are just other, innocent, safe people who can genuinely make for good friends or partners, so simply dismissing a friendship/relationship because you "did not meet them in real life" can have its negatives all the same.

[@anathema2325]

Every heinous crime needs a victim blaming cop out . If it's not online stranger danger, it's something else.

[@carlholland3819]

i agree, people are scary. thats why i stay locked in my closet where its safe

[@nhmooytis7058]

I’m 71 so was young before hook up culture. Maybe we met a guy in a bar but we didn’t go to bed with him that night. You gave someone your number if you liked them, they called, you went in a date etc.

[@meggy0]

I totally agree with this, the most dangerous man I ever dated was someone who I met through friends and knew for 7 years, trusted from the jump, and he turned out to be a sociopathic rapist. My now partner is someone I met through an app, and he's a wonderful person who I have grown to trust. Like you said, I now know who what signs to look for, how to work out if I can trust someone and use caution, and now I never lower my guard just because I met someone in real life. We should be teaching what to look for and how to build trust, not just 'online is bad'.

[@ftw1540]

Sometimes people who AREN'T strangers pose more of a risk

[@QuigsAnton]

My heart goes out to her children, Ingrid deserved to find someone who'd love her and her kids. I hope actual justice comes for him, 28 years is a f*cking joke!

[@donlagay8648]

28 years is too long, maybe 2

[@ThisAlphaWolf]

​@@donlagay8648Of all of the things you _could_ have said, that's what you went with? There are people who knew Ingrid here in the comments section. What a cruel thing to say. Nobody said you have to nice, but the fact that you chose to make such a nasty comment has put your character on full display. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's a lot to be said for self control when it comes to situations such as this. Take care not to throw your shoulder out while patting yourself on the back.

[@janetbrown9208]

I always come back to your channel because I love your delivery. The stories can be sad but you add levity in good spots! Thank you!

[@barbaraharris7602]

Having been married 30+ years and never using these apps my only advice as a grandmother is to check their name online. Are there places on the app where persons can leave their impression of that person after seeing them? I know it hard for anybody to meet someone, so take your time, don’t be alone with them for at least three months or fifteen dates. Don’t ignore little red flags, there are almost alway bigger ones coming. Nana just wants you to stay safe because we can’t live without you. We love to much!

[@scarlettthebrave5854]

Yes there is on some apps a feedback section but it’s usually from women that have only chatted to the guy. Not met up or anything. They usually use words like ‘charming’ etc. these guys can take months to reveal their true nature and it’s usually long after you have moved off the app into the real world and have in all probability already let them in your home, they know your schedule etc. they are good at appearing kind gentle normal guys but hide frightening traits. RIP to this lovely lady and mother 😟

[@buggiebuild1]

Just woke up, brewed my cafe’bustello, and a notification for coffeehouse crime, that’s the way to start on Monday👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻💕😻

[@SueP-D]

Me too! My brand since the first time I visited Miami and got my first cafecito on Calle Ocho ☕️

[@annmariemccooey6731]

Cafe Bustelo is the only espresso/coffee that I drink. It's delicious and reasonably priced.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

My favorite coffee too.

[@gatdemun]

Yaaasss 🙌 same thing!!

[@phoeberaymond8781]

I'm brewing bustelo right now lol

[@iriscast10]

Bringing casuals home when having kids to care about is never a good idea

[@Will-jd6vb]

Never change Adrian! Your videos are brilliant. Just a shame they have to be made in the first place.

[@life_of_laurel8602]

All dating sights are horrible but POF was truly the worst! I had 3 different people start stalking me from there, received threats from others and more. Love you and what you do A! ☕️

[@DSP-gh5ei]

It's a c tier app that's why, everybody that has failed with tinder and bumble try their luck on it

[@derkeheath5172]

I guess you can blame the app, but it sounds to me like you have a type.

[@life_of_laurel8602]

​@derkeheath5172 It wasn't a "type" it was psychotic men who didn't like being told no...

[@shinyfuzz]

@@derkeheath5172 your comment makes no sense...sounds like victim blaming. Attractive decent men are usually taken and not hanging out on dating apps, that's where bitter incels and the like hang out desperately trying to get a f*** or any female attention whatsoever

[@user-vv2wd9vm4l]

You wish someone was stalking you 😂 guaranteed those dudes would have a whole different story like you’re crazy af and dreaming

[@danibearhugs]

POF is awful! I was threatened by a guy on that site. Tried to force my hand to send him images of me. Sent me images of his guns, etc in order to scare me. This is was so long ago I don't even think there was laws in my state for protection against this kind of action. Online dating is scary. My heart hurts for her and her family. I do appreciate that John pled guilty and didn't cause any more pain than he already had.

[@Fogysoks4709]

Thank you for sharing sorry that happened

[@swallowedinthesea11]

I'm 24 and although I live in another city and work in construction, my Mom makes me send her my credit card statements because she doesn't want me to buy useless things and my Internet is monitored, I can't even have Netflix. I'm from a Korean family. She controls a lot of my life, unfortunately, and as the oldest I have to look after her. I have told her she's kind of interfering, but I agree that parents need to really talk to their adult and minor children about the dangers of the Internet, meeting people in person, leaving your drinks alone opening a window for someone to spike them, not honking your car horn, saying thank you when someone hodor for you, etc. Yes, there have been lives taken because the suspects didn't receive a thank you! I have a niece and I couldn't believe I acted like my Mom when I found out she had a lot of social media accounts and 'friends.' No 13 year old has 1200+ followers on Instagram and Facebook.

[@danibearhugs]

thank you@@Fogysoks4709 . I just hope that kids learn to be more cautious with what they post and who they trust online. It is so easy to have things spiral. This woman was an adult and this happened. Children are so susceptible to fear tactics and manipulation. I was lucky I have an older brother who was I could talk to and stepped up to protect me.

[@vickythefist7062]

The first week I was on POV I received a message from a man telling me that he knew where I lived and had just drove past my house and knew what lights were on in my house. Contacted pov and they were really good about it kicking him off the site and assuring me he had no way of knowing where I lived unless I had told him (,which I had not ) completely put me off internet dating and luckily met someone in the real 2orld so don't have to ever do it again. Stay safe out there. And so glad you didn't give into their threats .it must have been so scary

[@anathema2325]

​@@vickythefist7062he could have known you from seeing you around , that's the real problem. I used to never put my pictures on my profile becouse I didn't want to open myself up to creeps in the neighbourhood seeing it as an invitation. I hear these days most apps force you to put your face on there if you want an account.

[@akhillyz4223]

The way you pronounced mariners was just precious

[@bongiwemyeza7963]

Love you Adrian! It’s always a pleasure tuning in to your videos ❤️ I wish you all the best!

[@survivingsobriety2562]

You were born in America?! That's a bigger shock than most episodes

[@romeowandrainbow1040]

Why is it shocking may I ask ?

[@krotahk]

I love your work and admire your dedication, keep up the great work ☺️

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thank you so much!

[@tinabrooks1858]

What a horrible thing to happen- does anyone know WHY he did what he did? My heart and prayers go out to these 3 little girls who will not grow up to know their Mom and to Ingrid's family as well. Personally I do NOT like dating apps of any kind for THIS reason!!!! Thank you Adrian for covering this

[@dayrue4696]

This is so sad! It hits home with me bc I fell for a man in 2019 who made up a fictional life on a dating app. Turned out he couch surfed, was a major drug addict and alcoholic, and multiple DUI’s. He broke into my house and made my life miserable for several months. I wish I was smarter about his lies and love bombing at the beginning- it just felt good and I fell for it. I won’t even try a dating app now.

[@GenXfrom75]

Very sad, indeed.... I'm glad I met my husband at work in October 2002. It's terrifying out there! 😢

[@peacelove7437]

I'm

[@MamaBear3015]

Manic Mondays become Marvelous Mondays at 10 AM CST when I get notice of a new Coffeehouse Crime post. As always, Thank you for all you do for your listeners, Adrian!

[@websh00ter14]

She was the mother of one of my friends. We were in 6th grade when it happened, watched the whole case unravel before our eyes, from the day she went missing. She was such a sweet and kind soul. It definitely traumatized me. I had nightmares about it for years and still find myself getting triggered. Can't even imagine the state her daughters were in. That man deserves to rot for life what he did.

[@richardclifford003]

As having had a career in investigating homicides, the one answer I always sought, but at times, eluded me was "why". Early on in my career I came to the realization there were times that no answer was the only answer. The motive in such cases was nothing more than an investigative aid.

[@ladycookiepuss]

Thank you for your amazing videos, respectful story telling and soothing voice. I lost my mother a year ago and you have kept me company on many sleepless nights throughout my healing process. Keep up the amazing work ❤

[@utatanepiko7087]

This was probably the shortest introduction ever lol I'm glad to see you didn't dehumanizing homeless people though. I'm someone who walks and usually on my way to a job interview nearby and there's always a homeless person by the streetlight. I always feel bad when I walk past them but the only food I have is candy so I can stay awake longer. That's not sustainable for a homeless person. I wish I bring at least some spare change, like the tips I got at my previous job but I always forget 😢

[@chocoblue0730]

he did this crime so cleanly makes me think this isnt the first time he has done this

[@cactuswitch631]

I lived in renton during that time, barely out of high school. My baby brother went to school with one of their daughters, he wasnt close to her but did mention they seemed nice and friendly. Then after all this happened, she became very closed off. I hope they're all doing better and healing. I remember being shocked when it first Surface but I due to having 2 murders at my own school I don't have a high opinion of renton and the men in that area. Definitely opened my eyes to online dating. Because of this case when I started using dating apps I took extra precautions when dating and meeting up with potential friends/relationships.

[@groofay]

I think it's kind of wild that dating apps *don't* require more verification for their users. It's one thing to go on a regular social media and talk with people on a strictly online basis, but dating sites are there with the specific aim of people establishing relationships that ostensibly will have a real-world element. They need to have better safeguards for their users.

[@nhmooytis7058]

All they care about is money.

[@sjsenning]

I really love all the hard work that you put in to present good quality stuff for us. Also, I got my coffee and I love it.

[@Duckling08]

Love your videos! Thanks for all your hard work!

[@PrimoLife2]

❤❤❤your videos! So well done and your voice is also wonderful. I know this is a lot of research, writing, and many hours of production work. Cheers and happy luck with the new coffee business!!!🎉

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thank you! 😊

[@bettyspaghetti1944]

Hey Adrian! My Classified Coffee arrives today and I'm so excited! 🧡🎉 I love your channel and all the good you do! I wish you much success!

[@MrBaxter24]

Gotta say you are doing a wonderful job on your channel. Keep em coming!

[@chuvr3]

I am a native of Renton and I remember this case vividly! My older sister almost went out with John!

[@danielhollingworth1090]

It's no more dangerous to hook up with someone you met for the 1st time in a bar than it is to go out with a stranger you met online. Apart from being very unlucky the more people you date the greater the risk.

[@sodacan1415]

Perhaps people shouldn't hook up with people they met "for the 1st time"

[@danielhollingworth1090]

@@sodacan1415 There's always a first time, doesn't mean you go on your first date then. There's always a start in any relationship when you don't really know anything about the other person yet.

[@carlholland3819]

and somehow the husband is most commonly the killer

[@callysto11]

​@@carlholland3819Yes!

[@carolinebrennan3864]

Cats for me! Too many weirdos out there.

[@katerinagiannioudi401]

Online dating can be very dangerous.

[@ottertank8845]

Everytime you do a story from Seattle, i always feel like looking over my shoulder and thank my dad for teaching me how to defend myself. Thank you for always bringing these stories up for awareness.

[@garulusglandarius6126]

It irritates me that people seem to assume a person is decent/safe because they are religious, too often people who claim to be religious are the worst ! WTF is the matter with these murdering A-holes ?! Excellent as always Adrian 👍

[@louiseoakey]

It's truly inspirational how quickly your channel has grown, also your own brand of coffee. Thankyou for all your hard work.

[@JoFlo89]

Hey Adrian Hope everyone is having a lovely day ❤ Take care and stay safe everybody Thank you for all your hard work that go into these videos and keeping their names alive

[@audrahartman4212]

Adrian another well researched and compassionately shared! Rest easy Ingrid 🙏🫶🏻💪

[@Malita19]

I'm very surprised that she continued the relationship (casual or not) after uncovering the secrets. NOT victim shaming. I would have more caution, especially as a single mother to young kids.

[@cathyellington7599]

I can’t believe he only got 28 years. He doesn’t deserved to ever walk free ever again.

[@Alex-pw7si]

Love your videos, they make my commute a bit more bearable! As someone who was caught in the middle of a situation you might even cover one day, I enjoy how your focus of the videos towards the end generally includes a sentiment for the victims. It helps keep the focus on tragedy not just spectacle. Alex from PA :)

[@TheSpineSplitter7]

Always appreciate the respect you show to the victims and their families in this video.

[@deedrathelibra]

Thanks for covering. I’ve been curious about this case.

[@awessauce]

I loved how efficiently they handled this case but so upsetting this stuff even happens at all, sorta wished I just saved this one for the morning I gotta stop listening to crime at 3am before bed 😅

[@KCNY11787]

Your storytelling skills are fabulous, I enjoy your pace and diction. You speak so kindly of every victim regardless of their circumstances, this is a noteworthy trait.

[@mlpencola]

Hi Adrian! Just found your channel and am enjoying binging! Thanks for the indepth content! You have great voice for this!!!

[@noa8323]

Thank you Adrian for another gripping story, that took my mind off everything going in my country Israel

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Good morning Coffeehouse Crew! Thank you for another case, Adrian (and Nero)!

[@max777effort]

This is the 4th episode I’ve watched since discovering this channel. Keep up the good work.

[@amberlin.88]

I hadn't heard of this case. So sad to loose such a productive/beautiful person. Thanks for the great coverage ❤️🧡💛

[@dallasdobson8831]

Man what a terrible case.. he seemed like a guy that was in the depths of alcoholism and some sort of mental illness..and a beautiful woman that didn’t realize it because he was so well spoken and normal in appearance.. I’ve seen something similar to this in my life and it was awful for everyone.

[@carlholland3819]

ya it was a dead giveaway when he said he didnt drink. everybody in the pacific northwest drinks and has mental illness. thats what happens when you never see the sun

[@shinyfuzz]

@GayasAIDS don't be ridiculous.

[@shinyfuzz]

@@carlholland3819 sounds like living in northern England UK lmao just full of alcoholism and now crack addiction, anxiety and depression and mental illnesses. ..

[@iggberthumperdink]

She realized it, and then ignored the red flags

[@kyleisaac7404]

The judge read 2 dozen impact letters to the guy. Good on her. I bet those hit hard, just a steady couple hrs of being told how great the person he killed was and all the pain he caused them. I would imagine that should cause some genuine remorse within anyone who isn't a complete psychopath.