The hottest hot take ever

[@n4d3m4n]

You got the anti-Aero guys mad because you bought 4 Aeros to practice with knowing they were garbage. You got the pro-Aero guys angry because you shit on their ARs. That is elegantly the best way to troll! find that one way to make everyone mad!

[@BenStoeger187]

Dude I legitimately thought the hate on aero was exaggerated and the guns would be ok to train with and it would be kinda fun to troll the aero haters by training with aero. It turns out that I was wrong and I am actually trolling the aero fanboys. What a time to be alive.

[@markmccardia9282]

The internet is made to create controversy 😂😂

[@_Art.Vandelay]

Imo Aero’s positive reputation is built off selling cheap lowers that everyone mates to a high quality upper like BCM or others. It’s pretty hard to mess up a chunk of aluminum and some springs. An upper that bears the pressure of firing and cycling on the other hand…

[@GetLeVeLed]

That brings up a question: what is it that actually matters? The lower itself won't really make a difference; neither will the stripped upper on its own. Barrels will have different accuracy and lifespans but won't make a gun more or less reliable. Ditto for most parts, I would think. BCG is pretty critical... what else actually matters for reliability?

[@TheMLKULTRA]

@@GetLeVeLedprobably BCG and gas block. Maybe general fitment overall.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Is that diet dew? Based

[@gansior4744]

We are grabbing onto Canned Cancer whenever we can

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

@@gansior4744 it's interesting how that propaganda has spread, diet soda is pretty benign and there is definitely no evidence it causes cancer

[@sammyboy423]

It is great that you report your findings without bias and it makes people mad.

[@anonymous1992texas]

there is a reason most ar-15 vids show people doing 1 round reload 1 round. Can't afford enough ammo to wear out guns

[@SoccerVJ2011]

Ben is one of the few sources of a legit unbiased review

[@LiveEazy]

Now I’m staring down at my Aero in my lap, questioning my life and its choices

[@Sophistry0001]

The only real QC issue I've ever had was with Aero. The channel where the charging handle should slide in the upper was not milled. Like it had a rough-cut circular hole and the whole thing went on to the next steps and got finished and shipped that way. To Aero's credit they fixed it all up for me, shipped the upper back and sent me a replacement. Still just an interesting data point, never had a QC issue with any of my PSAs. Not that I would hold up PSA to be a pillar of quality. Don't be afraid to buy budget shit if that's gonna allow you to shoot the fuck out of it. Most everyone is limited by cash. You'll be a better shooter buying a PSA or Aero and shooting it until it shits the bed after 5000 rds vs blowing your whole load on the rifle and barely shooting it.

[@Tommyramma]

I got an aero exactly because of what you said. Thought they were affordable quality, and just cheaper than BCM and DD which I couldn’t afford. Now I wish I spent the extra $200-$300 dollars on BCM

[@piouswhale]

DD worth the money for their customer service alone, not to mention their quality

[@HKGunPlay]

DD is not the way. Get a bcm. My preference is LWRC but they are limited on options due to the state they manufacture their rifles. They have to use heavy barrel profile but they flute the barrels which looks cool and takes out the weight. But go with bcm imo you can’t beat it

[@DominicZelenak]

When that video came out I was grateful. I learned a lot from you breaking shit. I'll never buy their barrels and definitely will never buy their bolts ever again.

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

The people defending Aero guns are the same ones defending Acros.

[@blantant]

The budget brand just-as-good defenders get emotional. I disagree with Ben with regard to bolts though. Bolts are basically a consumable

[@wontonny]

So redditors..

[@armorers_wrench]

@@blantant But Ben is outright telling you he hasn't had that issue with BCM. Soooo...why should it be consumable? If it's properly manufactured and coated it should last quite a long time.

[@DanielTaylor-tz1rf]

Stop yapping, acro is good

[@Slimmerman223]

@@DanielTaylor-tz1rfstop coping acro is shite.

[@Frntrgrpblake]

Also, final comment sorry, armorer for over 10 years. I’ve yet to see a Colt, FN, Geissele, Sionics, DD etc snap a bolt in half period. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen but the only bolts I’ve seen broken like that are Aero and Black Rain

[@Coach_Stewy]

This is my favorite video Ben has made. People get so angry because they have to justify their purchase decisions. And if you challenge that, they respond like you're calling them a bad person. 😂

[@den_see]

Thanks for sharing stuff about equipment Ben. It helps us make better-informed decisions where to spend our hard-earned money. You are doing actual, real world testing and use on stuff that most of us cant do. What you do and share is kinda like a public service and I thank you for doing that.

[@nimik221]

Ben is onto a business idea as a QC consultant for firearms manufacturers 😂

[@Frntrgrpblake]

There’s no world where Aero is equivalent to Colt or FN 😅

[@MitzvotTV]

One of my buddy’s aero rifle stretched its bolt where the cam pin goes through and sent two rounds out with one trigger pull. That bolt was damn near fubar and I’m impressed it didn’t break. That bolt was trash and he didn’t even put 300 rounds through the thing TOTAL I’d like to see you run a PSA just to see if it’s trash tier like aero

[@tsama]

I have an Aero build and i dont feel the need to defend them like I'm on their marketing team. I appreciate the feedback on your experience using their guns. I hope to put enough rounds through my build to see where mine fails. Its part of the learning process.

[@JMAN-pg4tg]

Built my own 14.5” out of all aero parts. I’ve put about 2500 rounds through it, about half with an RC2. Accuracy has been acceptable ~2-2.5 MOA with cheap 55 grain. At the time it was all I could afford. Looking to upgrade to something better in the future. In my personal experience it has been better than the PSA rifles I have shot, but not as good as the BCM, Noveske, geissele, etc. No malfunctions suppressed or unsuppressed. Would not be surprised if issues begin to come up around 5k rounds. TLDR my Aero rifle has been fine so far, but that is at a relatively low round count.

[@panzer6tiger]

Ive basically had to swap parts out from other manufactures as parts broke with my Aero. But than its been troble free with just the receivers, handguard, and barrel and gas block so far. Broke 2 of there firing pins at only a few thousand rounds.

[@danieljungshoots]

As a primarily rifle shooter, heck even shoot PCC in USPSA, I can say that if you are buying a rifle that is a complete build from AERO, then they are complete trash. Just like Ben I wanted to see how a completed rifle build from AERO's would do, well lets just say that after like about 3,000 rounds the barrel so warped, I saw some small cracking near the bolt lugs, etc. So yes AERO is now in the same class as Anderson's which is in the bad tier. One good thing is that my AERO lower itself was in spec so I was able to put a hiper fire ecl trigger, battle arms 45 degree safety, and the roll pins for the hiper fire has not walked out yet. I put a centurion 14.5 barrel along with a smoke composite handguard, switched out the BCG with a unrivaled lightweight competition BCG. Basically the only thing AERO on my PCC is the lower. I basically replaced everything cause they were garbage. Now the crazy thing is, my BCM KMR 16 which I bought back in 2016 has nearly 60,000 rounds mostly just training and rifling is still great, BCG is still great, now the extractor spring in the BCG was replaced simple due to being worn out, but the bolt and BCG are still in top notch shape. BCM makes work horse rifles.

[@1backspin1]

Whoa your bolt is lasting 60k+ rounds? Is that usual expected life? I’ve broken a bolt in an PWS after about only 8000 rounds.

[@shootinbruin3614]

Have you tried grouping your BCM barrel by any chance? Curious what it’d be like after 60k

[@danieljungshoots]

@@1backspin1 All my bolts have lasted any where from 20k-30k rounds, BCM being the most about 60k. I use my rifle for training and rifle matches here in the DFW area. But BCM has been a work horse. Had a DD bolt shred a lug around 20k rounds.

[@bulleit9459]

Bullshit…

[@clutchshot3306]

What other lower would you recommend, other than aero? I'm thinking of buying a BCM upper and an just hesitant to get an aero lower.

[@Turboblitz1]

Great now I have to go back to my spike tactical builds, thanks Ben. Gonna goodwill my aero tomorrow.

[@alaskajohn907]

The armorers in my unit only replaced parts when they broke, amd in the 6 years I was with them I didn't hear if a single bolt breakage out of almost 100 rifles. There was a pair of aimpoints that broke, which was kinda wild.

[@practicepractice5719]

Thank you for the facts (and opinion based on experience).......whether they hurt feelings or not.......

[@gansior4744]

I have a friend with a 12.5 M4E1, bought before 2021 (thats important). Its the second best rifle in our group. Nothing got loose, its really accurate at 500m but its bit overgassed as Mid length 12's tend to be. Spring change was enough. Saw like 3 stovepipes before the spring change. Its a one rifle yes, but it took everything you loaded with. 50's, Blanks, 55 and up to 77.heard that after covid, QC went downhill but rifles before that were always known for quality for the price

[@Michaelelus]

I didn't know anyone uses aero precision outside of just stripped receivers.

[@PYROMANIAN777]

I wouldn’t even touch their receivers. There are so many great options out there for milspec lowers/uppers that are priced roughly the same: SOLGW, Centurion Arms, Mega/Zev, BCM. These companies also offer blemished receivers at an even cheaper price.

[@joe4678]

@@PYROMANIAN777link to their $55 stripped lowers please!

[@gansior4744]

I have a friend with a 12.5. Honestly, run great, saw only few malfunctions when we were shooting 50gr HP. From my group this is like the most used gun

[@Michaelelus]

​@@PYROMANIAN777 I don't know. I picked up 6 for under $70 each and have built a few rifles for friends and families as gifts. I'm not trying to spend $3-4k on a rifle someone is going to shoot maybe 100 rounds a year out of. All my guns are colt or geissele, with geissele being my preference with the super duties, and the colts being the old colt before colt vanished. I don't think I have a rifle that isn't under $4k in it, that's quite a bit for a casual shooter. For $1.5k I can build out a decent rifle, I can pick up a DDM4 upper for under $1k, geissele lower kit for $50, geissele trigger $180, bcm buffer kit $150, I have a ton of take off stocks and grips so free, $60 lower. All in $1,440 and you have a great rifle. Add a holosun (I don't like holosun but that's because I'm a hateful CCP loser) for $300 and you have an even better rifle. I also shoot suppressed most of the time on 11.5 because I really care about my health so my rifles see quite a bit of abuse with the back pressure etc. My larger caliber LR stuff uses flow through suppressors (Smoke in the face looking through glass doesn't help), but I use RC2s for the carbines. So no I wouldn't shoot an Aero, but for someone who's just plinking once every blue moon the lowers are just fine.

[@christaylor77723]

The only aero product I’ve experienced being as being reliable and a viable option is a stripped lower. I also agree BCM has been rock solid for me.

[@EdwardSnortin]

It's so weird when people rage defend their favorite brand like they own stock in it lol

[@robertbuchanan562]

Don't talk about my Glock!!!!!!! 😅

[@Jay-d3t]

hey, I own stock in Ruger buddy. Get yourself a Ruger American pistol.

[@DanDan-cl7em]

Gun stock prices don't move much. U don't know what ur talking about

[@leftyo9589]

@@robertbuchanan562 exactly! say something you dont like about a glock, and the basement dwellers lose their crap.

[@chasedooley6237]

They do, it’s an emotional investment, and so they can’t see fact from their beliefs. When you say their favorite gun sucks, they take that as an insult. Gun people on KZbin are pretty vicious about defend their beliefs and brands - I’ve been raked over coals for just mentioning a related anecdote about ARs on another video

[@practicepractice5719]

I don't get it (all the emotion and refusal to see information). Folks, Ben is not writing a Law you have to live by....... A PROFESSIONAL SHOOTER is actually using products with really high rounds counts (and not some lame full-auto burn-down).....Ben is spending his own money, doing actually training and practice with regular usage and actual high round counts.......and folks are complaining. I love BCM, DD, cobalt, Sig, etc.......but if he runs them down with high rounds counts (that 99.999999999% of folks watching will never do),......................... then I AM GRATEFUL for the information......a real life case study........ Ben you may be one of the few folks reporting solid experiential information on youtube, as it relates to guns..........THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

[@greenfrog5647]

What are your thoughts on the older american or new cz colt le6920?

[@RetARMYjohn]

Once again, outstanding! I love the drama you drum up!

[@HamiltonNgo-A24]

Rockin the MTN Dew ULTIMATE GAMER he just needs the Doritos now to finish the combo!

[@henrysoares8334]

Took him for more of a diet coke guy

[@Thomk121]

​@@henrysoares8334😂

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

double xp on the range

[@tomwilson1006]

Cheetos

[@JimDangle-z5t]

I get a lot of flack for this but colt components are still pretty well quality controlled. The 11.5 SOCOM barrel is legit. I have ran the piss out of one with a lantac E-BCG on my go-to SBR. Suppressed. Ran fairly hard. Shoots great.

[@michaellane7991]

Very entertaining lmao how many ppl have opinions that don’t do what we do!!! They are sheeple! Thanks for all the knowledge you share Ben I truly appreciate it! You were my hero when I started this journey! Best wishes to you!

[@taylormartin4346]

Budget companies gonna budget build, who knew

[@seanwhite304]

I've never been a fan of Aero Parts but I do like their M4E1 Receivers. I do not use any Aero parts other than their Receivers. Aero uses Ballistic Advantage Barrels . I have quite a few BA Hanson 556 and 223W Hanson barrels and I also have Hammer Forge Chrome Line Hanson Barrels . I have yet to see any issues . I mainly use these barrels for 2Gun and 2Gun Matches is my training . I shoot 2Gun Match every 2 Weeks . I have couple BA Hanson barrels with 3k to 4k rounds and they still shoot pretty fucking good. BA is OEM for a lot of other companies . BA 223W Premium Hanson barrels is what a lot of people use in 2Gun . My main LPVO setup is using BA 223W 14.5 Hanson Premium Black Series . My other 2Gun Setup has BA 13.9 HF CL Hanson . I will agree BCM Uppers is probably the gold standard and Aero Parts ( minus M4E1 Receivers) are garbage . . BCM and Centurion Uppers paired with Colt M4 LE Lower are my go too for hard usage . I'm still a sucker for TDP Colt M4A1 SOCOM Block II or any other TDP Colt M4 Family of Carbine . Colt , Centurion and BCM I've been using the longest . BCM MK2 14.5 Enhanced Medium Weight Fluted with MCMR13 Mlok rails is one of my favorite factory Uppers and it doesnt brake the bank . IMO BCM and Centurion Uppers are the gold standard for hard usage Uppers that dont BRAKE the bank . I've never shot BCM or Centurion that I didnt love . I do not have any experience with actual BCM lowers . I use the fuck out of BCM lower Parts . Colt and LWRCI IC are my personal favorite Lowers for hard usage . Then again my hard usage is shoot 400 rounds a month at 2Gun Match lol..

[@wcw2793]

Only reason I bought an Aero lower was because that was the only lower I could find at the time since BCM and PSA were out of stock. Granted, the upper is from Daniel Defense but I’m gonna see how this lower does with everything you’ve said about Aero.

[@lililililililili8667]

The receivers and handguards seem ok but idk about bolts barrels and parts kits

[@johnlatzke3631]

There’s a reason the military considers 4 moa a passing grade. Because they seldom ever replace parts and if something breaks in half it takes them 6 months to service the damn thing

[@joehalligan7497]

Hi Ben. What is your experience and opinion on colt rifles? Do they hold up next to the BCM stuff? Thanks in advance.

[@bullseyeike3070]

I can’t wait to see you put the Sionics rifle through its paces! Very curious to see if it keeps up with BCM

[@fadugleman]

I’ve had okay luck with an aero lower/BCM upper Reddit special. Trusting your advice and not touching the uppers

[@chipe420]

I used some aero parts in my builds, so it’s not pleasant to hear, but I appreciate the knowledge shared. Always good to have an honest critique, and it’s possible that Aero will hear stuff like this and try to improve their manufacturing.

[@JB22636]

I think the aero lower with a bcm upper is still a respectable set up in the AR world. I don't shoot rifles but that's just what I heard.

[@jediknight1294]

Honestly the Aero issue is QC ime, thing is guns break if yiu shoot them enough and stuff with lax tolerances, poor QC and the lower end of acceptable spec in metalurgy and coatings, most ars don't get shot enough people notice. New barrels at 7K is a touch early, going through bolts at 5 to 7k is... Basically what the short barrel military guns do with 855a1. Which are people suprised that wear components break.

[@tmgjurassic3738]

KZbin sucks, I have you subscribed and notify me clicked and this is the first video that showed up in my for you in a week.

[@lordhellfire153]

Honestly, i was already going to avoid the internals if i bought Aero stuff anyway. Id keep the receivers and handguards just for the Aesthetics and go elsewhere for the stuff you mentioned

[@DrSQUIRRELBOY12]

I bought an Aero lower because I didn't want to wait to buy a lower from some other company online to complete a build. I figure a lower is a lower, as long as it is in spec, the roll mark shouldn't matter. I wouldn't buy a complete gun from them though... BCM is the lowest quality complete rifle I'd buy, though most of my guns are ones I put together myself.

[@nflippo8]

Yah….the military is definitely not changing out ANY parts that often, they’ll run the same gun for a decade until their next contract comes up before investing more money into it

[@americanmade422]

Thank you for testing these rifles and spending the time and money so I don't have to. Bcm is the standard. They just run. I rarely hear anything bad about them

[@adamriehl8166]

I’d be curious what the PSA stuff does in proper training use. The people I know that just have a gun to have one get PSA. Running the PSA blem stuff and their Sabre line hard would be a good test.

[@Victor-xm]

Aero makes a good looking receiver set, but don't use their barrels or BCG's

[@kylehill4437]

You are right. Is great for practice and getting into the game. Aero has no business in serious settings.

[@Six_One_Six]

We use the receivers and thats about it. The ineternals are not good and havent been for a long time.

[@maynardlim9438]

So glad I got a bcm complete lower and upper.

[@B_Query]

Everything about this is fantastic, Now you gotta do it again.

[@ChrisJanes-n2b]

Aero is the FIAT of ARs 😂

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

in the US we say KIA

[@Glonk_Respecter]

I had an Aero firing pin break on me less than 500 rounds in, I assumed it was just a lemon or whatever because everyone sings high praises of aero. Less than 1000 rounds later the replacement broke lol.

[@llhosall7735]

A guy that’s actually able to put the rounds on gear to give you an honest opinion being mad they made a less than great choice imo many people make bad choices when starting with shooting It’s okay to learn Everybody loses some money from bad buys Thanks for the video

[@ElecticMonk]

Thanks for at least giving me confirmation I was right to spend just slightly more. I got a DD upper and BCM lower, and now I’m confident I could never beat on my rifle hard enough to cause a problem - I literally couldn’t afford to 😂

[@Shelldog]

I love free info. You do the work. I'll take the information. Good deal for me.

[@bruceb9515]

I am new to building AR's (5 years). I own a lot of Aero parts and lowers. It is so very difficult to know what is good and what isn't from the consumer end. Pisses me off spending hard earned money on crap marketed as being top shelf.

[@vectorponder]

If aero receivers are so bad, what’s a reliable receiver set to replace it?

[@TigerDude333]

We shoot 10 grand of ammo vicariously through Ben and love him for it, though I guess some hate him for it.

[@greybeard277]

I just upgraded from a psa to an aero....guess I need to save some more pennies.

[@ZizinRacing]

I didn't realize this was even controversial. Aero is ok for cheap lower receivers that are usually close enough to in spec but not much else.

[@philosophyofcarry]

As a Daniel Defense simp I am just glad we get a moment of respite.

[@piouswhale]

Ddm4isr owner here. Hello brother. Come cry at the bank with me

[@RONALDREAGENN]

DD is hot trash. The only people that buys their shit anymore are the guys who have had PSA’s and got a pay raise.

[@aplong1911]

Stag Arms, Ballistic Advantage, VG, and Aero precision are all owned by the same group. Would you recommend staying away from all of these companies products? Are these companies using all of the same parts from the same sources? I found your information helpful thank you for sharing!😊👍🏼

[@Ittakesonelifetolearnhowtolive]

Looking for a decent stripped lower and bolt group, any suggestions?

[@traillesstravelled7901]

Listen here person doing the thing, just because you're doing it doesn't mean you know more than those who aren't doing much of anything!

[@jonathanstringer4313]

But what about their lowers (minus the trigger)? “Poor people can’t afford aero” that’s what got me

[@JRod-p07]

I’ve had 2 Aero bolts break around 2,800-3,000 rounds. Done with that crap.

[@knightme2738]

So if money is no object what’s a good lower

[@sammytracey3935]

You will gain the attention of the internet mob when you break an HKvp9 and a Daniel defense in the same day 😅

[@N-A762]

The world would riot. No matter what side everyone would be slinging shit lmao

[@johnbuntin7188]

Proving once again anything man made will break. Even a VP9!

[@pranavkamath4329]

VP9 breaks? Excusable. HK USP breaks? There will be riots

[@johnbuntin7188]

@@pranavkamath4329 agree.

[@N-A762]

@@pranavkamath4329 Hell even I may riot lol. I have weird expectations of the USP in my head. Such a cool handgun

[@WN_Byers]

I think you hurt some feelings 🤣

[@SideOut4Life]

I ordered a barrel from ballistic advantage and it wasn’t even threaded

[@n0tthemessiah]

Lmao at that clown who thought he was wicked smaaaht commenting "$10k of ammo was shot through it and the total repair wheas 134.99. Garbage, yeah right" and completely missing the obvious counterpoint that if you spent that $134.99 on *higher quality parts* then how many more rounds of ammo would it have gone through?

[@liamvosefski2795]

I ran an aero for a while, i probably put 3k through the upper before I upgraded to a dd upper. I did not have any issues suppressed or unsuppressed, but i do agree that Aero is not a duty grade rifle. BCM is a better buy, and with their free bcg promo, roughly the same cost. Aero handguards are extremely flimsy and are an awful design.

[@roflchopter11]

Wow, my $400 M&P sport 1 from 2013 has like 3k through it and still looks perfect. But people are reporting aero bolt breakages around there!?

[@Pyreleaf]

Alright, here's what I don't get; relatively low quality barrels and bolts/bcgs, got it, no argument. But it sounds like you're saying the lower is somehow to blame for the trigger locking up when fouled? Am I missing something? Do I need to go grab a cup of coffee and rewatch this?

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

I removed all my BCM foregrips. Will daddy Pranka accept me now?

[@DominicZelenak]

Foregrips are ghey? Since when and why?

[@jlew6890]

😂

[@Spaman42]

My M16 got condemned in basic back in ‘99. LPK & lower so worn it would go full auto. It probably saw duty in Korea & wasn’t black anymore though…

[@Crum4110]

We put thousands of rounds through our m4’s I have never ever seen any rounds come out sideways and guys were never taking care of their rifles. Out of the 60-70 rifles in the arms room I only ever saw a bolt break once. If aero is breaking with more care given to it and keyholing at 7k that’s insane

[@JoshuaE-BiblePatriot]

I have an Aero stripped lower I built out with a LPK from a different manufacturer so I will see what happens in a few thousand rounds

[@hondaredrdr]

Agh wish I would have seen this video before I bought my Aero set up

[@dtomamerican3471]

This is not even your opinion....your sharing your experience....people are funny

[@traillesstravelled7901]

Cool , thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. If I get into high round training I'll need a better quality than, the once a month trash pile mag dump rifle.

[@feetpiece_704]

JP is the answer

[@Mako-sz4qr]

I’ll take your word bro that arrows can’t handle the round count. True about the Tacomas too. High miles = Low maintenance oh what a feeling 👍🏻🇺🇸

[@jcnikoley]

I think you would've got a bigger reaction with PSA or RRA. Good enough to run, but also cheap/bad so you don't care when you break it or wear it out, and just buy another one.

[@Gun_Dork]

Part of me is glad you responded, part of me wishes you wouldn’t, and make single offhand comments and keep using them in your videos.

[@nathanjames7030]

What is a good, basic off-the-shelf AR?

[@fadugleman]

I’ve had good luck with an aero lower BCM upper Reddit special. Won’t touch their uppers

[@blackops8996]

Ben love your honesty on guns.... Aero is junk

[@loupuleff571]

Why should anyone be unhappy about your review opinion not that I would ever buy one of their guns but it's good information to have !

[@Stove819]

Do you have any opinions about Stag Arms?

[@30wrdy]

Of the aero lowers you’ve messed with, how many would you say exhibited problems? There’s a number of others who claim aero lowers with a Bcm upper is gtg

[@piouswhale]

All the Aero defenders are frequent “gear check” posters on reddit

[@Olivehollow]

Your insights are invaluable. People just get stuck in their feels lol.

[@nathanjames329]

Yeah, different groups with radically different expectations is a recipe for heated disagreements. A hunting rifle can't do 5,000 rounds either. In that world, that expectation just doesn't make sense.

[@sigwater7326]

I appreciate the feedback because there is no way I am able to put that many rounds down range through my ar. 🤔with all the ar's in this country I wonder how many have actually been zeroed -and these would be the people saying they have never had a problem. Just for the record, I bought a BCM even though I will never put enough rounds through it to find the limits. I leave that task to guys like you and Lucas 👍