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[@Treppy_Gecky]

I feel bad for Alana. It’s clear she wanted to do good and offer support-I don’t blame her for redacting her last name for her own protection.

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Yeah, she obviously never intended it to develop into what it did 😫

[@RoguSpanish]

Doesn't seem like there's much you can do to help incels, because they don't want help, they want to wallow in misery and blame everyone else for their failures. Above all else, incels are entitled and lazy, that's why they never accept that their shitty personalities are to blame for anything, because then they would have to actually work on themselves, instead they blame society of their "bone structures", things that they can't change. Anyone who wants to help them will be met with hostility the instant they suggest that incels will have to actually do things to change their situation. Their idea of "help" is for someone to just give them a girlfriend, they don't want to do any work, they want everything to fall into their laps with no effort, and anything less than that is an attack on them.

[@loganplonski922]

@@RoguSpanish I agree, with the addendum that there are plenty of people who are romantically unsuccessful for no discernable reason. However, as soon as they start identifying as an incel, they're basically dooming themselves to be lonely forever because they've started blaming the world for their problems instead of just accepting that things aren't working out at that particular moment.

[@OnlyViKnows]

@@RoguSpanish It’s sad how strong their denial have to be that they don’t trust all women at all. Even the ones that would try to give advice about women… they won’t listen.

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

A friend of mine went down the incel rabbit hole and this video was very informing. Weirdly enough, he doesn't extend his misogyny to me. It's more like he's angry at a twisted abstract concept of women that no real woman fits once he talks to them. It's easy to be "one of the good ones" in his eyes since the "bad ones" literally aren't real.

[@booleah6357]

He might be into you.

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

@@booleah6357 He had ten years so far to make his move for that. I doubt it. Also, incels hate what they desire even more.

[@booleah6357]

@@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken maybe, could be holding it in. Idrk the guy but from the incels I've met they can be a pretty reclusive and secretive bunch sometimes.

[@RoguSpanish]

Sounds exactly like how racists work. Then again, the venn diagram between racists and misogynists is just a circle so that's not surprising. I hope your friend isn't still like that, sounds like an insufferably toxic personality to put up with, even if he doesn't treat you specifically that way.

[@PilpelAvital]

Bigots are constantly puzzled how come the individual blacks (or Jews, or women, or gays, or...) they know are "not like other blacks" - those which exist in their imagination.

[@Lukkilikka]

i remember when the elliot rodger thing happened and i was hanging out on these forums full of guys that i had considered my friends... until that happened and so many of them started to talk about how 'if only some bitch would have dated him' or 'hopefully women will look at this and realize they could have stopped this' and shit like that and i was just so disillusioned

[@TruppDriscoll]

With Elliot Rodger, I take the position that, even if he had gotten a girlfriend, it wouldn't have changed much. If anything, he would've just killed her when she broke up with him for being creepy and clingy.

[@video_ouija7114]

People are insane

[@Kamila-ey5vi]

I was an femcel (female incel) during my teenage years and let me tell you, the moment you leave the community, your life improves. I'm a woman who dates other women, and I used to complain about how no woman wanted to date me, meanwhile, I would stalk them, spread internalized homophobia and mysogyny around (I though I was one of "the cool gays") and had ridiculously high standards (only wanted white, short haired women, red hair if possible). It took me a lot of therapy to open up and actually talk to women, befriend and see them as people just like me, treating them the way I'd like to be treated. I mean, sure, rejection happens, but there are 7 billion people in the world, I can't expect all of them to like me, I get to choose how I deal with it, I can stay butthurt and complaining online or actually analyse my behavior and correct my mistakes. I'm happily engaged to a lovely woman who I plan to share everything with and we love each other more and more each day, there's always a way out.

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

I'm so happy you found a better path

[@piss7610]

🎉self growth!

[@tryingtobebetter7235]

Exactly.

[@Kamila-ey5vi]

@Nemuri Kayama - Midnight I really hope it does, the incel community is a self fulfilling prophecy, the more you spend time there with people who have hardcore extremist views, the less of a good person you become, it's a circlejerk of hate and selfloathing that destroys your self esteem but makes you think that you're not in the wrong, the world is. Getting out was the best decision I ever made, not only because it allowed me to meet the love of my life, it changed how I see people in general

[@slimecorn]

Character development. We love to see it ❤️

[@sophielouise1094]

Just a minor correction, the Elliot Rodger incident didn’t happen at USC, it happened near UCSB! fantastic video thank you so much

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

🤦‍♀️ Thanks for the correction! And glad you liked it :)

[@sophielouise1094]

@@TheInternetInvestigator no worries at all, keep up the great work!!

[@Legoluigi26]

Thank you for making this. I'm no incel (Sonic PFP KZbinrs get laid every day) but I've noticed a tragic trend where people who cover incels treat them like subhumans, which does nothing but justify their warped mindset, and continue a vicious cycle of hatred.

[@cyberneticxylem9614]

I've noticed that if people can't relate to others, they usually treat them with some level of scorn at worst or kind of show a level of disregard at best...

[@princeapoopoo5787]

can confirm. sonic pfp youtubers get laid every day. (edit: i agree w/ your comment btw. im just being a stinker)

[@edgaralanfrog]

As a 29 year old female virgin, who has been asked out on date as a joke more than once, it’s hard for me to identify as a ‘incel’ because of all the horrible things I’ve seen men and women have said who call themselves incels - and it’s hard for me to sympathize with the lot of them when they’re all angry and blame the world for their problems. They need to look internally and see that they’re the problem, not the people around them. I understand that it’s been me and my insecure mentality. I’m not beautiful, I’m not smart, I have a very disgustingly hideous body under my clothes, and I don’t think I’ll ever find someone who wouldn’t mind all of it (unless he was blind and didn’t have feelings in his hands so he can’t feel how gross my face and body are). The whole incel community - mainly the Elliot rodgers wannabes - need to stop blaming the ‘Chads’ and ‘Stacys’ and grow up. No one is obligated to date or have sex with you just because you’re nice to them.

[@Dani-xl3bm]

I know it won't matter what I say because you admit that you're insecure. But I used to work at a porno shop, and I swear to you there is someone out there for everyone physically lol. There are people with a fetish for everything, including being overweight, scars, amputation, body modification, feeders/feedees, anorexia, etc. etc. Literally, if it's a thing - it's someone's kink. You could even get paid for it, just look at any cam site and the variety on em! But of course a lot of people want romance or a relationship (not just casual sex), and that's when it gets harder. Because you have to be willing to be rejected, put yourself out there somehow, try again, be hurt... And not everyone is willing to do that. But I promise you, no matter how disgusting you think you are - someone thinks you're hot as hell. Trustttt

[@abdielrainbowhellsangel2256]

You may not be this or that, but you are funny! Your description of yourself, brutal! 🤣

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

I’m a virgin almost your age, and though I don’t find myself ugly-not particularly pretty either. Just meh-I’ve come to realize that sex just isn’t an important thing to some people. I just don’t think about it much. I know that’s easy to say, and I don’t think it’s a choice, but some people like me simply don’t feel the need to have sex. If it happens I guess that’s okay. But I don’t really deeply want to. Of course, I get that it’s not like that for everyone and for some people sex is really important. Especially for men because of how society has weird views about masculinity and sex.

[@edgaralanfrog]

@@abdielrainbowhellsangel2256 it’s the truth; I’m not gonna lie about it. I have never saw myself and went “OMG WHY WONT ANYONE LOVE ME???!!” I know that I’m very unattractive, I’m not funny, I’m not talented, I’m lonely, I am basically socially inept, and I understand that these are my own faults and I have no nerve to blame it on the men I find attractive who would never give me a second glance (unless it was a joke with his friends). I’m too old to try and make friends and go on dates. I have severe anxiety and depression - and I have the ugly. I am ugly and I don’t blame any guy for not sweeping off my feet with my socially inept ass. I wish I was cool and pretty, but I’m not and that’s my fault. There’s no way I can blame all of my loneliness on people I admired from a far and had a crush on.

[@edgaralanfrog]

@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle I was sexually assaulted at 7 and I have never felt comfortable with the idea of sex once I learned what it was and that it was what happened to me. As I got older though, I wanted to try it but I was obese as a kid, I wasn’t bullied, I had no friends, and so I just summed that up to be my first and last encounter. Still, I wanted to try it willingly, but I know it won’t happen. So it’ll never happened, but at least there’s toys.

[@Lord_Mad_Dog]

finding out that the whole thing started as a support group type of thing is really interesting. the amount of people who need it are also probably quite high, seeing as it became 2 separate schools of thought (incel vs loveshy) and the fact that theyre lumped together without an actual support group now isnt doing anyone any favors. both the incel and loveshyness subs are banned, leaving many people to fester and develop potentially hateful worldviews

[@NitwitsWorld]

That's the sad thing about it. Big websites censoring crude instead of trying to help people is what caused a few incels to commit murder.

[@LarryHazard]

What's messed up is how people don't have sex and end up defining themselves as incels. This wasn't a thing a decade ago and with the majority of humanity it still isn't. It's normal to not have sex. What's not normal is having sex all the time or requiring it. This expectation for people to conform to this idea has never been so high, and especially now I think it's pretty obvious that people have less sex than before which makes it even more absurd. There's so much pressure to do something that almost nobody does. It's pretty normal for people to make fun of others for not being able to get laid, but now it's a label that people apply to themselves and it's taken to a whole different level. It's like every little nerd feels miserable for not having the sex life of Justin Timberlake in the 2000s. 50 years ago it wasn't even normal to have sex outside of marriage. It's really not that much of a big deal. Most of these incels would probably find a girlfriend eventually if they didn't call themselves that. I also think the current economic situation being a factor, the average, non exceptional young man can't really see himself taking on the responsibility of a relationship/marriage, so they think about casual sex which movies and tv shows depict as something that's supposed to happen every weekend, plus technology and social media have isolated people and it's just harder to connect with strangers outside, people just socialize on the internet or can only find new people at their jobs

[@sunnystrathern8396]

5:05 I'm actually very distantly related to Jake, only ever met the guy once when we were both like 8 or 9 years old. Just wanted to highlight that while his views towards women were fucking disgusting, there were a lot of other factors contributing to his situation and eventual demise. His father was constantly in and out of jail (I believe he was in there when Jake commited his crimes), having various mental health issues which may have been inherited by Jake. Indeed, it appears Jake had undiagnosed problems himself, which may have led him towards the 'incel community', but I am speculating here. Feel free to ask me more about this, but I'll emphasise again that I really did not know the guy well and only met him once

[@grahamseger4744]

What was he like at that age? Could you have seen what was coming in hindsight or was he a relatively normal kid?

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thanks for the insight! Sounds like many incels have other problems going on too (particularly in their childhood), I wonder to what extent they contribute to "inceldom" 🤔

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

What little I've seen of his videos definitely show some bizarre anger issues, plus his contempt for his immediate family (though I don't recall him saying anything about a jailbird father). It felt pathological, like he was projecting his own self-loathing onto them. I also remembered thinking he wasn't a bad looking guy and that his lack of luck with females had nothing to do with his looks.

[@tonkuriihq8133]

@@pablodelsegundo9502 exactly he's not a bad looking guy at all, he could have no issue finding a gf, I know a guy who looks just like him whos had a lot of girls. Imo most incels are incels because of their mental state more than looks. I've seen some pretty dumpy looking guys in happy relationships bc they're very nice people, and also attraction is relative, people have different preferences in what they like. For example i prefer softer 'pretty boys' to the typical big muscular Chad types, while other ppl may prefer that. I'm always surprised when I see incels bc they're so normal looking. Id go so far as to say elliot rodgers was honestly attractive. While some people may just be unfortunate for these specific violent inccels their mental problems lead to it, a lot of women (and people in general) can subconsciously pick up on ppl they deem dangerous and avoid them.

[@sunnystrathern8396]

@@grahamseger4744 So bear in mind this is literally based on one interaction I had with Jake, which was when his grandmother's (my father's half-sister) ashes were spread. All in all I spent roughly 5-7 hours around him. On that day he was misbehaving a bit, his sister kind of keeping him in line. Honestly, at the time (as my 8/9 aged self) I kinda thought of him as a 'naughty kid', sort of mischievous I guess, and not the sort of boy I'd want to hang around with (I've always been a goody two shoes lol). In hindsight though I wouldn't say there were any 'red flags' so to speak Having said that, when I learned about what he had done I wasn't surprised, but I've got to emphasise that's got a lot more to do with his family history than with the time I met him.

[@wfjhDUI]

9:35 13, 14, and 15? 3 months??? lol wtf. Are we sure these books aren't just a very elaborate humble-brag by this Dr. Chad? "Parents, if your 15 year old boy isn't going out and railing a woman every weekend then that's abnormal. Source: My life."

[@1993TheDuke]

For real! I didn't have a girlfriend until I was 20, and I never saw myself as "involuntarily celibate"

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

He was an old dude. Lol I think getting married young and starting a family was common then. But even so, the ages he’s listing are a little much.

[@slimecorn]

Yeah he's numbers are super weird iny experience. People didn't date like that in my highschool wtf

[@KarlAndArma4ever]

I think he just took all these teens lying about getting laid at face value. Pretty sad, cuz like everyone responding to this said so far, ain't nobody dating like that in middle and high school, lol

[@florence.5088]

All the incels shown in this video looked average, none of them were repulsive or anything. The problem is clearly their personality but it's much easier to blame their physical appearance than the way they treat people I guess. Even if they aren't misogynistic or violent, the concept of blaming exterior factors and other people for your celibacy instead of seeing that you're the problem is super toxic.

[@lizardjr.7826]

I'm an incel by this definition. I don't hate women or blame them or think they owe me anything. I don't blame anyone for finding me unattractive or unworthy I agree with them. I'm a poor loser with nothing of value to offer who most people won't understand.

[@Iudicatio]

I think the most ridiculous one I've seen is "ethnicell." Nobody will like him because of his ethnicity. Um hello, people of every ethnicity have found partners and had kids, otherwise you wouldn't be here? But it was at the end of an extremely long list of "cells." Poor guy.

[@RoguSpanish]

I got into a long argument with an incel who seemed to see himself as the elephant man's uglier brother but he was actually pretty good looking. It's like a delusion, probably brought on by other incels, because if you look at their forums and shit, it's basically the exact opposite of a support group, I guess you could call it a "wallowing swamp"? It's common for them to post pictures of themselves so that the other incels can tell them how hideous they are, regardless of how decent most of them actually look, so they can reinforce the delusion that their looks are the problem and there's nothing they can do about it, so they have an excuse to keep wallowing and complaining forever instead of doing anything to improve themselves. They're basically addicted to laziness.

[@langustajableczna]

@@RoguSpanish they are often very misogynistic. I have seen way uglier men and women be in happy relationships. Looks aren't the main issue, I'd consider a part of the "famous" incels be actually good looking

[@langustajableczna]

@BlackPill Bussy well theres just something wrong with you. i feel the best abt myself when i don’t look in the mirrors and such, which isn’t normal as well

[@amandadollrey3479]

You're my like before I watch KZbinr. I've seen this (went down the incel rabbit hole in 2018) and cannot wait to hear your thoughts!

[@haseultron]

there's an incel rabbit hole???

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thank you! Hope you enjoy :)

[@chaowujiang9017]

@@haseultron yeah it's called Reddit\

[@justinburchette]

@@chaowujiang9017 Right! 😂

[@amandadollrey3479]

@@chaowujiang9017 And many now defunct websites!

[@imstillw8ing]

I get so bored with these channels doing the same old mysteries over and over again. I just discovered this channel and I’m really happy I did. I can’t wait to watch all your videos! Obscure mysteries scratch that itch for me. And you are very thorough with your research. Subbed!

[@baileymoran8585]

I had no idea that incel was a term back in 08. I didn’t know about them until the Toronto Van massacre. I assumed the term was only around maybe a few years before that. Edit: oh wow! It started in the 90s! It’s sad that it started relatively positive. It sounds like it was a good community for people who wanted a relationship but maybe dealt with social anxiety, an alternative sexuality in a mostly hetero community, had a demanding work/school/family schedule, or some combination of those things. I know a lot of people who would love to date but life is just in the way of that for the time being, who are not particularly negative or bitter about it but rather voice their loneliness in a healthy way, and I never thought that the term ‘incel’ would technically apply to them. I have a good friend who’s been single for two years because he had two back to back abusive relationships with highly narcissistic women, and now he lives alone and works two jobs to keep his apartment without a roommate, on top of going to school online. He wishes he could date but acknowledges he has some emotional scars he’s working through, a busy schedule, and other goals he wants to achieve, so dating is difficult. He tries dating online but it doesn’t go anywhere, though he doesn’t blame the women. If you keep breaking plans to meet, it just isn’t meant to be at the time, and he knows that. He recently posted about how he’s proud of himself for even getting to know woman online, as that hade him very nervous, and he’s made a lot of friends that way, which is better than being truly alone. It’s so strange to think that term would apply to him, back before incels started becoming hateful towards women, men, and/or themselves.

[@angelab9162]

Yep. I'm an old person who was an awkward POS when I was young in the 90s and it was ABSOLUTELY a positive thing back then. I clearly remember Alana's site from back then and hoo boy do I feel ancient.

[@neptunegrl3425]

@@angelab9162 same so many people that weren't around yet. I was young in the 90s but I remember some of it. I don't remember incels really being a thing until the next generation. I'm sure the term was there but not acknowledged as much until after the Elliot Rodgers incident.

[@mosesbrown4126]

I've dealt a lot with incels (not one personally, but take or leave my credentials, I'm rando internet guy with Pope Pius Wojack avatar) and what's funny is a lot of the activity that goes on in those communities still kind of is that stuff that happened when the first ones came out. Which is to say, basic helpful support group stuff at best and cope at worst. But a combination of times changing, the group's population expanding, and the view of the violent acts as the only way of making a statement (ultimately a political one) coming to integrate with the most bitter and damaged members of the communities has altered things for the worse. This last part was aided by the media, which these people view to be their enemy-- a thing not exclusive to them as a group in this country (and world for that matter)-- giving them attention for the things they did, and villainizing them. The "Your boos mean nothing to me. I've seen what you people clap for." meme comes to mind. There's been warning signs on this group of people for years and years, and rather than muster some effort or to conceive of this as the mental health crisis that it is, it gets framed as a gun issue-- which you may think what you like about, but is beside the point that in any case these people are ill. For a weird proto-example of the incel phenomenon, watch the documentary Crumb, about the comic artist and his two brothers, who are maybe some of the first post modern humans to exist. That was put out in the mid 90s and shot in the early 90s. It's also an amazing film. I guess my point is the "hateful" aspect isn't universal, so be careful with the brush you're painting with. It drives more of the "doesn't hate women, but is blackpilled into total nihilism" towards the extreme of violence, because they feel convicted of a crime they did not commit nor intend to. It's a vicious cycle, and it won't get better without some compassion from someone first. It isn't my or your responsibility or anything personally, but we should keep in mind that these too are humans. The rhetoric around this has to get better for the problem to.

[@JoeyJ0J0]

I used to be involved with the Loveshy site 8 or so years ago, then I was a full on kneel and reactionary mra, now I dont care anymore and don't need a toxic support group to help me out.

[@MadeleineSwannSurreal]

I remember when any slightly negative comments about incels led to a flood of really unpleasant threats

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

How times have changed 😅

[@MadeleineSwannSurreal]

@@TheInternetInvestigator 😂

[@Macachee]

When was that?? Lol

[@MadeleineSwannSurreal]

@@Macachee it still happens, but it was really bad like a few years ago

[@fusionspace175]

I find the discourse around incels fascinating, because if this community had been around in the 90's when I was in high school, I very likely would have been swept up into it. I felt a lot like these men at the time, and it was entirely my own fault for not trying to talk to girls or considering myself a dateable option. I just automatically assumed the girls I liked already had bf's without any evidence, based solely on how pretty I found them, and my self hatred was at a lifetime high. I finally met someone on the internet though around senior year, a long distance relationship that eventually moved to my town, and I've had a healthy string of stable relationships since then, culminating in a family going on 16 years now, but if I had been swept into that community instead of finding a girl that fit me and whom I fit, and talking to her for hours, who knows what could have happened? Thanks for covering this, I like your style.

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

You don't understand the problems many incels address.

[@fusionspace175]

@@whitesharia-incellah8838 I can't say I'm too upset about that. I think it's a mental hole you dig yourself into, and have to dig yourself out of. I don't believe any of their physicality based premises because looks aren't that important in actual relationships, it's behavior and personality, and how you treat other people.

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

@@fusionspace175 Women can easily get laid by a dozen men in a day but the average man is barely lucky to get anything. 1/3rd of young men are virgins between the ages of 18-25 while most women have had been with 30+ men by 20 years old. How do you address this?

[@katelynchanslorfineart572]

@@whitesharia-incellah8838 how do we manage to have so many partners if 33% of you are virgins? Good lord, pay someone if you’re that bad off.

[@isaiahromero9861]

@@whitesharia-incellah8838 Look man, dating is shallow, cruel and unfair, especially when it comes to hookup culture, and I can confirm that first hand as a fairly ugly 5'4 guy, but that's just how society is and I do hope things get better, but for now the only thing you can do is try to be the best version of yourself and be good to other people. There are plenty of women out there who are good people who don't value shallow things like physical appearance, but guess what? Those girls don't like misogynists. Being an incel literally does nothing for you, conservative women don't want you because of your appearance, and left leaning women don't want you because of your personality, it's a lose lose scenario, being an incel is one of the worst forms of self sabotage. I understand it probably takes a lot of untraining to get out of the mindset you're in, but you're just killing any hope you had to begin with.

[@yipitchi]

This topic has interested me for a long time and I'm glad one of my favorite KZbinrs are covering it

[@cocogoat1111]

It's always weird to me people put so much value on virginity and needing to lose it. I can understand the personal desire for it but the social stigma is where a lot of the hostility and anxiety comes from. There is no way some stranger is going to be able to tell the truth unless you want to tell them. So if you go around advertising how nobody will sleep with you because you are so undesirable... it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@amaryllisflower]

I feel bad for Alanna, she is not the same as incels today and the community has become something disgusting. She actually wanted to help others

[@TayePurks]

The crazy part about Elliott Rodgers is that he was actually a pretty good looking guy… it was 100% his personality that drove girls off.

[@Wherethedeadwalk]

I never really knew a whole lot about incels (never really cared to) but this was really informative and well done :) another great video!

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thank you! Glad you liked it :)

[@MrByebyelove]

I've never caught a video drop from you this early!! Pumped!! Love ya

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Enjoy! 🖤

[@melonelle7539]

it gives me chills that the term "incel" is as old as i am

[@chillinlee]

If you want to see the best portrayal of an Incel in a modern movie, watch that Joker movie. It encapsulates what it means to be an incel.

[@Schoolboner]

True a lot of incels are neuro divergent and mistreated throughout their life because of it

[@TairyHesticles]

From age 20-25 I wasn't intimate with anyone and I didn't have any relationships. It honestly wasn't that bad. I learned a lot during that time, most importantly was how to be content with myself and not need someone else to validate me. While I look back at that time as a period of growth, it wasn't until I started dating again that I realized how many things about dating and relationships I never learned. I can imagine a lifetime of that must be hard to deal with, and I certainly wouldn't think positively of that time had I not eventually found a healthy relationship. I feel for these people. It must feel like nobody loves them and they must always wonder what's wrong with them that caused nobody to love them. I know most people just make fun of them, but there's gotta be so much sadness to live life that way. It's stressful just thinking about it.

[@goblin7404]

Lost media is why I data hoard

[@KingFluffs]

Ahhh a fellow patrician data hoarder. I also hoarde old books on the super natural, occult and mysteries.

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

The internet thanks you 🤗

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

SAME - I hate physical clutter but when it comes to digital files I never delete a single thing. I have files from my very first computer still zipped on my backup hard drive

[@J0YB0X]

Love your content! Keep it comin’! ⭐️

[@NikLarson87]

I got bullied quite a bit in school, and it sort of turned me off of the whole meeting people thing.

[@fruithippie]

So did I. Both girls and guys. Beat up by both of them too. But school isn't you're entire life. There are shitty people everywhere but there are a lot more great people too.

[@chocomelo454]

Hot take: it's literally fine to not date anyone for a long time. I know that I've been in a few, I do want a relationship at some point, but I'm perfectly content with being single for a while if it means I can love myself and just relax. Hell, I've been single for almost a year by now but guess what? Still not an incel. If anything, being single made me focus more on loving myself and taking care of myself.

[@tara-leesarginson985]

Exactly. I've been a single woman for almost 4 years now. I have way too many issues to date. I don't go around blaming all men

[@Vindicador01]

​@tara-leesayesrginson985 yes but you are a woman you have it so easy.

[@NemFX]

The biggest reason why it exists, is because not enough people learned from the tutelage of Ms. Frizzle. "Take chances, make mistakes, and get messy!" Seriously. I know people who are so picky, so utterly convinced that they only deserve the best of everything, without ever earning any of it, that they will always be alone. Combine that, with the fact that most people segregated now. Interests are so specific to the person that there is no crossover. There's no incentive to be social, so people aren't. School. Work. Death. If you don't pick up someone in those first two things, where do you even find someone anymore? The literal only place to go in my town is the grocery store. "Why hello, I see you also are fan of not starving to death." Humans have forgotten how to socialize.

[@princessponyo98]

I love your videos! I hope someone has the documentary still.

[@patrickfrancis7560]

I like that you sometimes make videos that I can watch without losing sleep at night. Also, I like your position on determinism. It is hard for me to talk to anyone about that subject without looking like a crazy person.

[@AdamsWorlds]

If those on Jeremy Kyle can get multiple partners allot of these chaps should have no problems. I think most the time with these guys its truly on them setting to high standards or issues social and/or mental or just lack of actually wanting to go out and try and date in hope someone just falls into there life. The others among them i think just fall into the culture and don't want to pull themselves out of it further isolating themselves.

[@booleah6357]

Or just not having social experience, a wider view of just how big the world is, and a complete lack of self awareness

[@sealake7935]

This channel is seriously underrated. It’s very well made and speaks on interesting topics. Keep up the good work!

[@echokilo333]

Loving the video. Would you consider doing a "freewill" video and the arguments for both sides?

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

I'd totally consider that! I fell down that rabbit hole a while ago and it's fascinating :)

[@Urm0mz]

Weee! I get so excited to hear and see you 🙌🏾 let the cringe commence!

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

🖤🖤🖤

[@mitosisjones]

The incel project and the original idea of incels is actually nice, and I didn't know it started like that. Like a community of people who feel self-consistence about their inexperience, and can find comfort in knowing they're not as alone as they think they are. But I guess like all good things, the internet ruined it. Well, probably more like white male entitlement ruined it by putting the blame on everyone but themselves

[@hannahd.3313]

Perfect example of the dangers of echo chambers. Irl it would be hard for people to nurture these views but online one person can say something horrible and it spreads like a disease, just like that

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Yeah, it's a shame it didn't stay positive and supportive. It's so much easier these days for incels to become radicalised because the "support" is so toxic.

[@slimecorn]

It's an alt-right pipline at this point lol

[@TracksWithDax]

4:36 boggles my mind. The guy had such a warped self-image, and yet he was actually pretty good-looking imo. So sad honestly that it brought him to something so terrible

[@muttzoone]

Plymouth is my hometown and I am still traumatised by Jake Davison's actions. It happened in the street near my house while I was home alone, I heard the gunshots and it was fucking terrifying man. Even now our community is affected. And to think, I was in the exact place where the shooting happened not even an hour before. My heart still breaks for the families of those affected, one of my brother's friends lived next door to the man.

[@RaphaelleLD]

I was literally looking for incel videos an hour ago, it's like you read my mind hahaha. such a fascinating topic, I can't wait to watch!

[@marioantoniocrespoMexican92]

Thank you for your passion on this channel I’m happy you are growing on KZbin. We all love your passion 👏🏻 please continue making more videos

[@lankey6969]

I could listen to you describe paint drying. Love your content.

[@AndrewB..]

Whoo always a good video when you upload

[@ImehSmith]

I could have sworn that I left a comment 4 days ago stating that I was interviewed for this doc and I am more than willing to talk to anyone regarding the incel community back in 2008 or the documentary Additionally, I knew the director and I took a road trip with him to Tennessee to interview Dr Gilmartin and a few other people and you're more than welcome to contact me regarding this documentary or a non-profit that is here to help people that are single alone they don't have a support system However my comment somehow actually got erased so let me know how that happened

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Sometimes I’m glad I was born a woman. I’m in my late twenties and a virgin and I don’t honestly think about it too often. I’m not religious and virginity doesn’t really hold any importance to me. I’m just not really interested in sex. I know if I were born a guy it probably would be something more important to me (even if I don’t personally mind being a virgin) because society has such a weird view towards men and sex. At worst people might find me, a woman still a virgin in my late twenties, a little weird. But for the most part I’m left alone for it. A lot of men don’t really get to be left alone for it.

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

Most men have to lie about the number of women they have been with. You will immediately be the laughing stock of a group of friends if you are a virgin or are terrible with women and have little experince with them.

[@p33pqu33n]

I have been reading research lately that the age of first sexual contact *on average* is going up (as in getting later) for millennials and genz as opposed to boomers/gen x. You might be more normal than you realize 🙂

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

@@p33pqu33n All the women in my high school were hoores and some even have an only fans now and or baby mamas. For men we barely get any play or are virgins but women are ran through by 20.

[@Nick-yq5zv]

There are unique and complex struggles for both sexes and for every individual, i don't understand people on either side playing victim or trying to compare apples and oranges. Its like oppression olympics. Being a human being is plainly difficult.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

@@Nick-yq5zv don’t mistake what I’m saying. I’m a feminist and women’s issues are very real. It’s just that in this case, I think it is harder to be a male virgin because of standards set for men.

[@eastaloque]

i just love the tone of your voice

[@cayakdawson2020]

Hello. Just a fellow Ace watching alian content that has sparked some interest. Well done with the video, very interesting 😄

[@tensaichigo2]

It's Thursday. It can only mean one thing. My favourite KZbin channel has a new video! I've never heard of this subject before. Awesome video as always. 😁👍🏾

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

🖤🖤🖤

[@sgtcwhatley]

Absolutely!

[@chrisshak5216]

I remember watching Gilmartin in the documentary in 2008, a wonderful researcher.

[@raptorexo5029]

Never heard about the Incel Project despite being an Incel. In my Opinion, Incels have only 3 Options, given that they can't find any Love. Nr. 1 : The Incel kills himself or herself Nr. 2 : The Incel kills Others Nr. 3 : The Incel detaches him or herself from every Emotion they have I was lucky, because my Parents died, when I was very young. I was left alone for 3 Days with the Corpse of my Father, when I was 1 Year old. I was saved after those 3 Days. My Mom died 1 Year later. I am one of the very few Exceptions, who could detach himself from everything "human". Now I am just an Observer of human Behavior. It's the most interesting Thing to watch Humans be Slaves to their Emotions. It's Fun trying to understand that which is not rational. How Men and Women use Emotions to manipulate each Other. Following their hedonistic Desires. Break-Ups and Divorces. Reasons for why People cheat. How Humans wear Masks (methaphorically) to fit into a certain Mold for Society in general or for particular Individuals. I was blessed and cursed. Blessed with Intelligence and the Understanding of human Society as well as human Behavior. And cursed, because I never could experience these Things myself and never will be able to. I don't think human Society as it stands now is worth protecting and neither are most Humans deserving of Respect. Mostly because they lack self-respect. They don't know, who they are. They don't know, where they go. People care more about instant gratification instead of long-term. People cheat on their Partners for some quick Pleasure and destroy their Relationships in the Process. They rather ask for Forgiveness for doing something wrong rather than not doing something wrong. When it comes to the hatred of Women and Men in the Incel Community, I can see, why they think like they do. You can only be punched this much before you start hating the Fist. And Society punches down on Incels. Going as far as to declare them Terrorists, as the US has done. Most Incels are still desperately looking for any Love they can. Without Success, of course. Otherwise they would not be Incels. And like any Child would, Incels start chaning due to a Lack of Love. Children need Love . And so do Adults. Neither of them will be the same, when Love is taken out of the Equation entirely. Being depraved of Love has a big Effect on mental Health. An Impact so big, that a lack of Love can lead to an Abundance of Hate. They get jealous, bitter and hateful. Most of the Time they start hating themselves, because the World has shown them, that there is something wrong with them. Some start hating the World for how it treated them. Cases like Elliot Rodger are an Exception to the Rule. Incels, who have become so hateful, that they lash out. Society has to understand, that the Search for Love is toxic for Incels. It destroys their Being until there is nothing left but hatred. I probably would have been an Elliot Rodger, if I was unable to detach myself from my Emotions. But I detached myself and now there is nothing but Apathy towards Love and Relationships. Humans can't hurt me. Humans can't control me. And that is what set me free.

[@jazzminforrestall406]

Your voice is super relaxing

[@artificialflavors2965]

Another banger thanks for posting such great content!! 🧡🧡

[@AKmohanrajj1]

I Randomly found youre channel & Im cant even leave 😂 im on a constant loop of watching your videos, great work keep going sis ❤🙏

[@nexusgiga]

thank you for being nuance on inceldom and not just saying all incels are bad like a lot of people do; im not an incel but i feel bad for them (the good ones at least)

[@hannahd.3313]

@@user-qc6cf2ez2kyes, and they need to get away from the toxic incels who dont provide any solutions and only offer negativity and hate

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

I mean the good ones don't identify as incels

[@spliffyrodgers4266]

Theres no such thing as a good incel theres a reason their incels

[@nexusgiga]

@@spliffyrodgers4266 you must not actually know the subculture other than the bad ones lol

[@amp4105]

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 I mean ye anyone not in a relationship is an incel by definition

[@ludiprice]

I loathe the way the term 'incel' was coopted by this hateful group. It just erases the identity of the many, many people who are incels (by a strict definition of the word), but who are also normal, well-adjusted human beings. :(

[@roseoverdose6451]

these incels need to understand that chads, like me, are rooting for them. we are not the enemy. they've got to shoot their shots.

[@Kucoz]

Hell of a vid. I wish more help was available for incels today

[@queeng1018]

Just had to turn off one of your other videos I was rewatching to watch this!

[@mjrhmekssh]

Elliot never referred to himself as an incel. The concept in itself sure applies to him but he never mentioned either the term incel nor inceldom

[@wfjhDUI]

Quote from an Elliot Rodger forum post: "One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system." Maybe you were thinking of his manifesto? It technically doesn't include the word "incel" but it does use the word "celibate".

[@jamiematthews4176]

This channel is easily becoming my favourite the raising a psychopath video was fantastic I've seen it twice now I'm seriously considering becoming a patreon it'll be my first too. Keep up the great work.

[@crispeggies]

You never miss with the interesting content 👏👏👏👏 well done as always!!!! And your hair looks fabulous 😍

[@TheLalalalani]

Freud isn't the father of psychology, he's the father of psychoanalysis

[@OCinTexile]

I don't know what "love shyness" is exactly, but shyness and/or introversion is an inate personality trait (one I have myself, not incidentally). Babies are born shy or extroverted, just like they're born to be "straight" (UNlike myself) or gay, have brown hair, be 6' tall, psychopathic, altruistic or any of a whole spectrum of physical and psychological traits. Genes and the intrauterine environment work together to shape 90%+ of a newborn infant's personality and body. There's no evidence so far that anything after birth, certainly not therapy and psychology, can change that at all. They can help to modify behavior, compensate for what one might consider to be negative aspects of his or her personality, or channel it in positive vs destructive ways, but not the underlying personality itself.

[@AveryJohnson04747rhrhrudu]

I recently broke out of a dry spell and honestly I think I figured out the key to all this. Its just- liking yourself. Be ok with yourself, take care of yourself, indulge in your hobbies, know what you want from others. It's hard but I feel alot more comfortable with myself than I ever have, and that in turn has made meeting people very easy.

[@rudimentaryganglia]

Or maybe people should realise that putting regular sexually activity on a pedestal makes no sense at all,when you've had a problem with sex and love addiction you realise that making it the be all and end all in you're life is what is the actual problem is

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

@@rudimentaryganglia Just stop your biology bro.

[@JoeyJ0J0]

@@rudimentaryganglia this basically

[@NPGLAMB]

I wish incels weren’t sexist and evil because what they actually go through is quite sad. It’s not woman’s fault. These guys are just bad with self care and socializing.

[@Vindicador01]

No we are ugly too

[@TabooRevolution13]

As the World's leading Black piller and highest mind that ever lived I am trying to be constructive with political inceldom by getting Stacey's and Chads to fight me to raise money for the homeless in MMA. I will also fight BBQ Bettys or politicians to help with the homeless as leader of the free World.

[@RaphaelleLD]

also, I don't know if you've read it but judging by your PUA video as well as this one, I think "Men who hate women" by Laura Bates is right up your street! she covers all sorts of groups such as PUA and Incels but also MGTOW and MRA. it's super interesting, although infuriating at times. let me know what you think!

[@vecxio8070]

You should read a book with a different point of view on incels and then decide your own take on it, having the whole picture in mind, instead of a one-sided perspective.

[@maryleethefox8642]

I dated a guy a few years ago that you could consider to be an incel, I thought maybe it was because he was really nerd or awkward but it turned out he was psychotic. I took a chance on him and regret it every day, he went back to being an incel. It's hard for me to be understanding towards incels because of my trauma and what he put me through.

[@dudethatsmellsrealbad7132]

Now this should be interesting 👀

[@dahunter620]

Awesome content!

[@auroramariealmeara8622]

Great video didn't know this was a thing. Sounds like alot of people feeling sorry for themselves.

[@walkerthewastelander964]

MumkyJones had his account deleted by KZbin for violating KZbin's policy. His series on Elliot Rodgers was so good.

[@stormadvocate3209]

Ahhh I'm at the store rn but I'll be back to watch this later ;)

[@undertoned-418]

am an incel myself and honeslty get why a lot of these men get so angry and hateful at people. since we were younger we get told that looks don't matter and that being yourself is more important just to realise both are bullshit and never applied to you and then you get told that you don't get laid because you have a bad personality. not only that but then you are psychologically damaged and society doesn't care about you since you have to play by the same rules that normal people do and women have placed those rules on men since they are the choosers when it comes to who gets laid and who doesn't. only women get to truly be themselves and get laid. if you are a shy, socially anxious or autistic male who is also ugly then good luck finding a woman by purely being yourself beacuse these traits are seen as unattractive by women and the female equavilent would have no issues having sex. i find this unfairness to infuriating tbh and many incels feel the same way.

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

These people are all virtue signalers and simply want to feel morally superior than a group of people, they do not care to understand anything.

[@monico4784]

When people say things along the lines of 'looks aren't everything' or 'just be yourself', it's not bullshit, but it's worthless advice unless it's followed up with 'as long as you show confidence'. That IS the absolute key yet it's relevance is kinda skimmed over. When people give advice like go to the gym or join groups, etc yes, it's to meet people, but wayyy more importantly it's because interacting with others WILL eventually make you more confident. Confidence is EVERYTHING.

[@electricblue8196]

It doesn't work for everyone

[@fmpentertainmentmedley3338]

Wait... u can say "shitty" without censoring but u cant say "sex"? Wow KZbins censorship is a strange beast

[@frozenrozes7957]

The best way to start the day 🙌 👌

[@tryingtobebetter7235]

I am from the old incel community from back when women were openly part of the community. I really don't know what happened. If I still fit the requirements of being an incel, I would never identify as one based on the current community. It's unfortunate that the toxic group took the place of support.

[@antonydrossos5719]

I think it's great that you could cover this topic objectively, without judgement.

[@rachellenagel4556]

The creator of this lost documentary is Augusto Domingo from Hopewell, VA

[@ulaff]

The true father of psychology is William James. While the father of psychoanalysis is Sigmund Freud. While that means nearly all therapy you've even been to is driven from Sigmund Freud's work, he is not titled as the father of psychology, but the most dreadful man you have to study in-depth for a degree.

[@vecxio8070]

You're right Freud was only an amateur, William James was super professional and brilliant.

[@pwnage402]

Im gonna be honest, i DO empathize with incels; they really just need therapy and support, they arent to blame for their shitty circumstance

[@princeapoopoo5787]

as someone who has struggled to form social interactions and even speak with other humans, the incel movement eternally frustrates me. i would not say that i see myself in the majority, for i've not often lashed out/placed blame towards others consciously, and never have expressed the more radical views - which would be worrying as a woman, heh. and besides, my desires have always been purely platonic in nature. but despite that, i think i can understand what may cause someone who has the seeds of self doubt and pity to go down this unfortunate rabbit hole. i genuinely believe that there are people wrapped up in the movement who are just lost and confused, but due to the circlejerk woman blaming mentality that will always ring the loudest, these people aren't allowed to get the help they genuinely need. and that's what is sad to me, that people are lured into this twisted mindset.

[@Vindicador01]

Women have it so easy,you cant really understand us

[@sgtcwhatley]

Serious question. Has anyone run across a term similar to incel from decades ago? It would seem the issue isn't a new one but most of us, myself included, appear to think of it as a 21st century problem.

[@TimSlee1]

Tinder disproves the "It's not their looks but their bad personalities." myth. We live in an age of superficiality and loneliness, even dystopian sci-fi predicted these social trends.

[@vecxio8070]

I agree with you. However, I also think it's our parent's fault. No one ever taught me that women are the sexual selectors and that they're hypergamous, had I known that when I was in school, I would have a chance. But no one tells men that they have to become the type of man women want, but it's definitely tougher nowadays in a super digitalized world.

[@TimSlee1]

@@vecxio8070 I feel like regardless of what we're told that type of social interaction will come naturally for some and be almost impossible for others. It seems that some people just aren't meant to have relationships while others will screw around with various partners and cheat because our social landscape just considers that acceptable behavior.

[@vecxio8070]

@@TimSlee1 Exactly, you're right. The dating stuff is getting tougher and tougher because of multiple reasons. I just have to cope with it, personally, I haven't given up yet, but I understand why many would. What truly annoys me is the mainstream gaslight that "it's the personality" or "high standards" when that's clearly not the case. I'm glad to see there are a few out there like you with enough critical mind to accept the facts.

[@TimSlee1]

@@vecxio8070 If you do succeed in finding a partner it would be interesting to see an update on the situation.

[@vecxio8070]

@@TimSlee1 Thanks. I think that's unlikely though, but I'll keep you updated.

[@janetshew5028]

Have you tried the “way back machine “ to retrieve the now “lost” content ?

[@mynameisworld]

4:05 Maybe it's because they can't spell.

[@notahandle965]

incel more like can't spell lmao

[@Zariaz115]

I’m high right now but why people in the group didn’t date each other. Like it’s a group full of people of all different backgrounds.

[@Buddhistsocialist]

I didn’t know the origin of incel’s great video

[@save_the_bees]

Smh. I have been binge watching your videos for a while now and all this time, I thought I was subbed 🤦🏻‍♀️. I subbed rn though ;;

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

Basic history, across most time periods and in most places it is only a tiny minority of men that establish relationships and even less that manage to carry on their genetics. Around 5% only of the global population with most of them also having multiple children that compensates for the low number. This contrasts with an average of 30% of women from one man having multiple wives being a mostly acceptable practice. Point is that in any place, it is the norm and you should expect to die alone. Only now the numbers have risen slightly and it's gotten to everyones head along with the entitlement of modern society and that in our decadent times there is less risk of dying every day in ridiculous fashion that throws the number off. Thanks for attending my Tedtalk.

[@johnmilius3031]

Women will never admit how they make men suffer. Is it really so hard to understand why we hate you for bullying us in our misery? Is it really?

[@sonofthenorth18]

Yes actually it is.

[@johnmilius3031]

@@sonofthenorth18 That's why this crisis will only grow worse. Reap what you sow.

[@fruithippie]

What the fuck. No. Incels hate women for no reason. I'm just living my life and am hated because I have a vagina. You don't know all women nor will you ever. So enough with the generalizations unless you want them coming back to you. If you need some therapy, get it. Don't be a Ted Bundy.

[@fruithippie]

Also, why would women admit to something that they never did? And if they did it, it was likely not intentional. I hurt my high school boyfriend by breaking up with him. Am I in the wrong for ending a relationship that was going nowhere and I no longer felt anything for? Absolutely not. And also, he wasn't a great boyfriend. But it was high school, he wasn't supposed to be. That's where we learn. I've had my heart broken too and that was on purpose, by a guy who used me as a punching bag and cheated on me. Was I upset? Hell yes, but I know not all men are like him. I married a great man who will never even think of doing those things and if I had held what my ex did to me against my husband, wouldn't you tell me that "not all men"? I'd imagine so. Learn to accept heart break and rejection like a mature and productive member of society. You know what women find unattractive? Whiners.

[@johnmilius3031]

@@fruithippie You're the only one crying here, B*.

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

I have aspergers but its made me more of a uh...volcel? Voluntary celibate? I have alot of friends and take good car eof my appearance, and many of my friends are women (they're easier to talk to). But, while I have kissed I never want to have sex as I believe it would be unpleasant for me. I am extremely sensitive, and doing that kind of thing wouldn't be enjoyable for me.

[@StreetofCrocodiles]

Possible that you are asexual?

[@fruithippie]

I think you're trying to find a label for yourself. Maybe you're just a normal person who is just not into sex?

[@Jnow796]

4:20 Weird... I'm a gay dude and find those guys in the pictures quite attractive. Pitty they couldn't and did such horrible acts. Guys, the problem isn't your appearance, it's your choices or lack thereof.

[@trman111]

Having watched your video, I've learned that you tried to contact me but didn't hear back. I'd like to apologize for not answering you.

[@pinaykilljoy]

Who would've thought the origins of incel came from a support group, then somehow transformed into something horrifying... Thank you for the video! PS - While watching the video, I thought of a Japanese novel (translated into English) called Convenience Store Woman by Sayaka Murata. The MC could be described as a 'loveshy' woman while the secondary character is very much the modern day incel... Maybe unrelated to the video, but it's what sparked in my mind and could be interesting for anyone to check it out!

[@Slushea]

I feel just, awful for alana, she deserved better

[@jbugc]

hey there just to let you know, aspergers isnt a diagnosis anymore and has been renamed to autism spectrum disorder. if ur wondering why we dont use aspergers anymore its becasue it was coined by Hans Asperger (a nazi) as a way to determine if autistic people were "normal" enough or not to not be sent to death camps. aspergers is autism but there used to be a disiction between the two because aspergers was seen as a "light version" of autism. just thought id share! :)

[@anarivadeneira7978]

perfect video while i eat my mid afternoon snacks¡

[@carolynv8979]

I think he’s saying if teens are unreasonably distressed about their singleness parents should Tell Them “it’s normal to be single for months or years”, the single-ness isn’t the red-flag, the unreasonable degree of distress over it is.

[@Vindicador01]

Look you are a woman,its different because the amount of choice and control you have in dating is immense,you know that always can find someone and you can be as choosy as you want,the average man don't have even 1% of that level of choice,imagine a below average man then,The years go by and you really don't have anyone who considers you attractive, what do you do?

[@justinburchette]

Hm... this is a really interesting video, good job! 🙂 I'm not gonna lie, I can sympathize with certain aspects of these dudes' lives, like I get how it feels to have an awful time trying to meet a woman and how it makes you feel pretty bad about yourself after a while; I understand all that... but of course the toxic part of this group is a whole other thing entirely. Like I said, I get it to a certain extent- but when you let your own insecurities eat at you to the point where you're just angry at the entire world then of course that's a major problem. At that point you're not even trying to work on bettering yourself, you're just mad because you feel like nothing is wrong with *you* at all and the world should cater to your wants and needs- *exclusively.* You know what I think is so bizarre about that line of thought? In an "ideal incel world" (I know I'm generalizing here but bear with me lol), women would literally just have sex with anybody, at any time, anywhere, and that's all they would ever do. They would be like sexbots: devoid of any personality and only interested in having sex with _anyone;_ and then what would happen if that were the case? These same dudes would be mad that women are having sex with everyone and they'd call them whores and other derogatory terms because *that's the same thing they do right now!* I feel like so many of these dudes want that kind of reality so bad that they don't even think about how dehumanizing it is to think of anyone like that. I would feel the same way even if the reverse were true, and women only thought of men that way. It's insane either way is what I'm saying. Meaningless sex is cool for a second until you realize that you'll never be *loved.* I don't want that. I want someone I can talk to and steal flowers out of my neighbors yard for and who cares about me- not just constant meaningless pleasure that's gonna make me feel more empty inside than I already do lol. I hope that makes sense lol. I got impaled in the leg with a forklift blade at work the other day and I'm on so much medication that I can't think straight 😂

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

Only virgin women were allowed to be married in the past and if she wasn't she was sent to the bro thel or made a concubine.

[@justinburchette]

@@whitesharia-incellah8838 What's a concubine? Like a nun? That's insane. Idk why people make such a big deal about virgins lol 😓

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

@@justinburchette A concubine is basically a mistress, a woman who is a mans pro perty but not married to him.

[@p33pqu33n]

@@whitesharia-incellah8838 “only virgin women were allowed to be married in the past” Source? Like a textbook or research paper?

[@whitesharia-incellah8838]

@@p33pqu33n In old patriachical religions only women that are virgin can be married. The Bible is one the Quran another.