The Insanely Revealing Frozen 2 Behind-the-Scenes Documentary

[@ishaanwankhade4834]

I like how the documentary was supposed to be like "Woah, the crew went through so many hardships and the movie still turned out so good!", but in reality it's just like "ohhhh that's why it turned out like that"

[@eatatjoe]

Definitely.

[@silashurd3597]

Exactly

[@starcherry6814]

That explains why Atahalan was pitch black! Wish they could've done more w Show Yourself, because the scenery and dress change was incredibly underwhelming

[@cowplusdog5655]

the movie was good tho-

[@unknownwill4th549]

@@cowplusdog5655 yeah if tou have the life expectancy of a golf fish

[@SiddharthShenoy]

*Ah yes,* The 5 Elemental Spirits: Fire, Earth, Air, Water and *Slightly Colder Water.*

[@seb24789]

Still better than Heart.

[@okar1970]

True

[@nanami_akumudeadchannel7115]

@@seb24789 ?

[@normadgarmez7026]

That's right and tog... Wait what, that's dumb. Why couldn't she be the Elemental spirit of Water since Ice is Frozen water.

[@kornaes]

@@seb24789 W.I.T.C.H.?

[@Brindlebrother]

"You can't rush art" -- that old guy from Toy Story 2

[@lahlybird895]

Jerry

[@TalmoTheSell]

@@lahlybird895 Geri

[@lahlybird895]

@@TalmoTheSell oh, right

[@ishaanwankhade4834]

yes, so true

[@bkachief]

"It takes time to do things right!" -Dreamfinder

[@HinataChick38]

Fun fact: the inflexibility problem has been an issue for decades at Disney. In the documentary 'Waking Sleeping Beauty', there was a moment where they talked about how Jeffrey Katzenberg had a meeting with the group of animators (this was around Beauty and the Beast's production) and asked how they were doing. One guy said that he didn't have any time to see his family. Another said he would have to sleep in the studio in order to make his deadlines. Katzenberg was supposedly 'moved to tears' and went "this is wrong, you have to have a life" and then did nothing to change it. Kinda explains a lot, actually.

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

Wow…

[@nicholasmackoul1222]

Least evil Katzenberg moment

[@CopingMechanisms1]

I have experienced this exact conversation so many times at work. It’s despicable and I’m looking for another job.

[@ShiftShido]

The true Disney magic

[@Python-xs2iv]

​@@CopingMechanisms1How have things gone, man?

[@nomorepikachu]

wow the producer sounds like he's gonna start crying any moment

[@catalinalaird6491]

I thought so too...

[@tomjack1000000]

Stress is scary

[@ADAJ342]

I just feel bad for the entire crew honestly,It looks like they've lost years of their live with this movie.

[@matthewroberts3125]

Poor guy :(

[@byronsenior6499]

@@LEOrgill Incredibles two was terrible. How anyone can like this god awful insult which was just recycle of the first one is beyond me. I mean Toy Story 4 wasn't perfect but I seriously don't get why people like Incredibles 2. It was so bad.

[@zachanikwano]

I'm more surprised that Disney didn't sugarcoat the documentary to make it seem magical and perfect. In order to not sully their reputation in any way, shape or form.

[@darienoneal7475]

You could tell that they tried to sugarcoat as much as they could, but there were SO MANY problems with production that you could still feel the stress through the screen.

[@roxanne_]

Darien O'Neal same while I was watching this video I felt all of the stress and I haven’t even started watching the series which I will soon because I’m looking to see if that’s where I could be in the near future

[@tavrosnitram1529]

They did, but even if they didnt, its not like people could take them down A shit ton of people hate those live action heaps of shit they keep pumping out, yet the box office say otherwise

[@Grimexx955]

At this point, I think Disney knows that they can literally do anything and get away with it. So it’s not like they care.

[@EyesWillRule]

That's because the documentary obscured a huge plot point during production. You think the "massive" changes were just over clarity? They redid the third act.

[@actualdavyjones4417]

Dude, even Walt tried to tackle telling the story of the Ice Queen, but shelved it several times when he and his team couldnt come up with the right way to tell the story. They'd be months into preproduction before realizing they had to put it down and move on to another project that was easier to flesh out.

[@maldon3659]

They did the same thing for Beauty and The Beast

[@thunderbird1921]

You know what's funny though? Disney actually DID manage to do an Ice Queen story, in a way. The Chronicles of Narnia (The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe)! C.S. Lewis was a genius. What an incredible way to retell that story!

[@couragew6260]

Thunderbird 1 To be fair, they had a lot more to work with. Narnia had been around for... a while, and it already had some past work done to help shape who the white witch was, how she acted, what she looked like, etc.

[@athan13590]

Frozen was being produced for nearly a century

[@couragew6260]

@@athan13590 You’re right, but Narnia already made its stamp on the world with a lot more world building while Frozen was a single movie topic that was discussed back and forth with no consistency.

[@ellieporter3270]

“The first time the crew gets to receive feedback from the target audience: kids” See, there was their mistake. There was a six year gap between the movies. The kids who actually watched frozen were ready for a more complex story because they had done some growing up since then. I feel like every single time I hear about how a test screening changes a movie it’s never for the better.

[@Platitudinous9000]

The one time I can think of off the top of my head is that Shrek's use of All Star was originally a placeholder until test audiences reacted positively to it

[@rontheron4807]

And also the best movies are the ones you learn to enjoy a bit more every time you rewatch them and notice things you used to be too young to understand, there’s a reason why so many children’s favorite movie is the Incredibles, a movie that involves very boring and adult themes- *kids like it when the moviemakers don’t talk down to them or feel a need to overexplain*

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Platitudinous9000 Who framed Rogger Rabbit had a Test audience that hated it, but film did do very well.

[@mr.preston1632]

They said the Adults liked it, so I guess they had like 3 year olds to watch it

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@Platitudinous9000 phew

[@djb987]

The thing that bugs me the most is that Elsa is the 5th spirit, a whole separate spirit, when ice and snow is WATER

[@artwriter76]

My take was that she was a mixture of all the elements. Yes water, but ice can burn like fire, she creates snow flurries so air and every thing is earth based. So a "fifth element". Or maybe I just put more thought into it than the writers did.

[@thunderbird1921]

@@artwriter76 I think you DID put more thought into it than them.

[@SivleFred]

My mom interpreted it as HUMANS being the 5th spirit, and frankly, that makes more sense. But they didn't even clarify this in the movie, so I was equally confused.

[@js66613]

Yes. I'm sorry but I just want to say that making Elsa even more "special" like that does not build on her character but rather tears it down and I did not like that reveal. I would have been more on board with "Love" being the fifth element.

[@pottlekat1513]

@@js66613 Elsa is special enough that Ahtohallan had the power to froze her. Lol It seemed a lot of people missed one point the movie was trying to make: Anna is also special (forget about Kristoff). The sisters is special, the rest can go into a bin. That's how Frozen filmmakers treat its characters that's not making money.

[@cease842]

This is what happens when Disney says “MAKE A SEQUAL BY THIS TIME” and the studio workers don’t have any choice.

[@Luka1180]

It's like when Atari asked Howard Scott Warshaw to make E.T. for the Atari 2600 in just five weeks completely single-handedly.

[@killblade6]

Time limits, the bane of humanity.

[@TheNMan64]

At least Return of Jafar had the excuse of being made a pilot for a TV show...

[@XxDeadpool99xX]

The same scenario happened with Toy Story 2 but that turned into a masterpiece. IMO it depends on the people working on the movie. The producers of Frozen 2 were definitely getting in the way of each other. They needed someone like John Lasseter to rally the troops and push through. The employees at Disney Animation were paid to deliver a product by a certain date so it's not unreasonable for the executives to expect that the employees do their job properly.

[@XxDeadpool99xX]

@@killblade6 The bane of everyone not named Trey Parker or Matt Stone

[@tiablue9106]

Original Lion King: it’s gonna take us like 2 years to develop and integrate the technology for this stampede scene alone, so let’s buckle down and do this right. Frozen 2: W I N T E R R E L E A S E

[@justbny9278]

Disney wasn't looking when they were making lion king, they were looking at Pocahontas and thinking "bitch you better be good"

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

@@justbny9278 yeah, if only we could know which movies "the B team" made ahead of time so we could look forward to them lol

[@CaptainCJ97]

@@justbny9278 true

[@lukefox718]

"Release by noon or your skulls go boom"

[@Jiffy-Liffy7714]

But at the same time, Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion

[@meltyflapjack]

I feel so bad for the producer he looks like he’s on the verge of tears

[@winisning]

Oh hi xiao PFP:D

[@OperatorMax1993]

i know dude he really looks like he's gonna cry and it also feels like he's being held at gunpoint

[@orangeslash1667]

@@OperatorMax1993 When Roy E Disney died, the heart and Soul of Disney may have died with him??????????

[@QqQ3Three3]

He's frickin' pink. PINK!

[@KrazyKai64]

I think we all do…

[@Frostmask]

its super nice to see him talk about the crunch culture in animation. its REALLY bad, guys. if you speak up about workloads, you get perceived as lazy or not a team player, and then you get BLACKLISTED from the industry.

[@joseph8298]

This comment deserves to be seen more tbh

[@Kaisona2017]

The way you’re describing it sounds a lot like Japan’s Black Companies. Black Companies are places where the employees are frequently overworked, but under-payed; And if they try to quit, the company will make them look bad and severely lower their chances of getting another job.

[@oddjam]

A big time animator called Marx talked about this a lot.

[@amalkaraly]

This honestly makes me really glad I wrote off Disney from “animation companies I might work for “ list. Honestly, being rejected by DISNEY, THE BIGGEST ANIMATION STUDIO, IN THE WORLD, sounds horrific to me, THE BIGGEST COMPANY, wouldn’t see my hard work and saw that I wasn’t good enough

[@chaaaargh]

that's just cruel. it's a lot of work being an animator i'm sure, it's crazy that if you feel burned out they'll just write you off like that. wtf

[@ssbbiskewl]

So Frozen 2 was in production hell? Who would've thought?!

[@magicalgirlmel3289]

Especially since frozen 1 had production hell in the first place.

[@mmm8qser]

Production hell frozen over with mediocre ice

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

@@magicalgirlmel3289 really?

[@declaniii6324]

Haha when he talked about it I thought it sounded like some new torture in the bad place

[@njidekaike8356]

@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Yes. The Snow Queen film went over a shitton of rewrites. Let it Go even changed the plot of the film completely.

[@terrydactyl5969]

TLDR: The Mouse's snipers wouldn't allow a late release date, therefore a rushed film was released. Big shame, I wonder what could've happened of they had more time.

[@basketcaseface813]

Terry Dactyl probably something really good.

[@kylecampbell565]

That can go for a lot of films. I think the reason the Star Wars sequel trilogy turned out as it did was because they only had 2 year gaps when the originals and prequels had 3

[@basketcaseface813]

Kyle Campbell The problem was that J. J. Abrams had plans for all 3 movies but of course Mickey RAT said no, then Disney revealed later on that they should’ve gone with Abram’s plans. Abrams wanted to flesh out who Rey’s parents were in the second movie and have them be of importance in the third but obviously that never happened.

[@lancethedecayedguardian2719]

@@basketcaseface813 Tbh there's a looooot of issues with the sequels, one being that J.J gave Rian complete control over what he wanted to do over the sequel without giving him a definitive plan on where he wanted the trilogy to go. Even then it was clear J.J didn't really know what made Star Wars as great, a clear comparison on what it could be like when given to a director that KNOWS Star Wars then just look at the Mandalorian and Clone Wars, both considered some of the best Star Wars to ever come out. So I think even if J.J got the time he needed it would still give very mixed reviews

[@basketcaseface813]

Lance the Decayed Guardian Well at least they most likely would have been better if he did work on them, I’m not saying that they would have been the best they could be, just saying they could have been better than what we got for The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. But yeah, the people who worked on a Mandalorian and The Clone Wars probably could make 10 Star Wars movies that are better than the sequels.

[@luisrogelio98]

This reminds me that Walt Disney once said: "We don't make movies to make money, we make money to make movies"

[@galehunter2519]

Well that aged well...

[@zhenzhen2141]

Imagine his reaction to Disney now...

[@ferhog7705]

@@zhenzhen2141 He'd probably be like "Wow these drawings are insanely detailed!" at all the 3D animation.

[@buckets1623]

@@ferhog7705 not only that but also “oh wow! Now Disney is a money making scheme who is constantly time crunching everyone. Im sooooo proud”

[@_mylo_xyloto_1816]

"Keep moving forward"

[@carolinashoemaker5938]

The priority of Disney has been making money for a long time, said Michael Eisner before he stepped in as CEO of the company "The pursuit of making money is the only reason to make movies. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement... Our only objective may be to make money, but in order to make money, we must always make entertaining movies. And if we make entertaining movies, at times we will make history, art, a statement, or all three. We may even win awards"

[@turtletitan5483]

That is messed up

[@psychomanatee3459]

It's so sad because it completely goes against what Walt Disney believed, "We dont make movies to make money, we make money to make more movies"

[@DonSMDT]

and he has the right idea, survival should be paramount.

[@aliminator1310]

Which is ironic, since they own PIXAR, which does the EXACT OPPOSITE!!

[@dani.lepore9410]

@@aliminator1310 not anymore after all the sequel they're making. Toy Story 4 was a spit on the original trilogy

[@Piqipeg]

Considering how popular Frozen is, moving the deadline shouldn't have been a problem, it would have made disney billions anyway. And had it been better, maybe a couple of billions more.

[@NameName-yj7lp]

They have that dumb moive per season thing

[@camilab2430]

They would have lost the Christmas merchandise sales I'm thinking

[@Piqipeg]

@@camilab2430 would they though? They could've just released the toys and stuff to promote the movie even more.

[@captaincrunch784]

@@camilab2430 I guarantee that's why because it's a winter/ snow themed movie even though takes place in fall.

[@bloopboop9320]

Gigantic got cancelled so they probably wanted to push it quickly.

[@tansoloyo007fan]

I think is important to clarify that Miyamoto quote: “I didn’t mean to say a bad game is always bad, what I meant to say is if you release a game in a bad state you will always regret it,” Miyamoto explained when asked by TheJWittz. Then, when speaking to That One Video Gamer in a later interview, he expanded on such thoughts: “People really like that quote! [laughs] I think I really meant to say was that when I make a game, and if I rush to get it out on time but it’s still not done the way that I want it to be and I put it out in a state that I’m not satisfied with, I’ll never be able to take it back and I will regret it for a very long time. I never had an intention of telling anybody that they’ve made a bad game, and that it will always be bad.”

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

In conclusion "if you gonna made a Sequel, plan it nicely"

[@beardlessdragon]

Thanks for providing the further context! I find this very interesting because he implies that a "bad" game can become good. I certainly think things that are first received poorly can later be appreciated for what they accomplished, but I wonder if that's what he meant

[@septesix]

Ironically that this original quote was about digital games , which as softwares are infinitely patchable and really could eventually become good even with a rush release. Films and books , on the other hand , could never be altered, and would be ‘bad’ forever once released.

[@yumeyumedi]

Disney didnt listen that sadly

[@Gabriel-sd1oh]

"... if you release a game in a bad state you will always regret it" It just sounds like Sakurai with Melee. Such an accidental wonderful game and a lot of people love it, but Sakurai... Sakurai doesn't.

[@Nessmess001]

Thing is, personally, I think most of this problem comes from the first movie. The first movie gave us the message that elsa's journey was done. She had accepted herself, symbolized by her control over her powers and acceptance of love in order to thaw. There was nothing hinted at about her wanting something more. ... And then frozen 2 tells us "oh, she actually doesn't feel comfortable, let's make her search for herself AGAIN". We don't know what she's truly looking for or why. Nothing was planted beforehand so the fifth element thing feels like an arsepull Long story short, it didn't need a sequel. So the sequel's story could only pull at nothing.

[@xephyre6955]

"But... but... MONEY!"

[@jacksonbrickmedia939]

Even some sequels that “didn’t need to be made” like shrek 2 or kung fu panda 2 turn out as masterpieces, they just didn’t have enough time to find a good story that felt important

[@serpentmaster1323]

I think you’re right. The first movie definitely concluded elsa’s looking for herself. I do like playing with the Idea that she’s not ready to be queen, considering she was a complete shut in. Logically she shouldn’t be ready to be all the aspects of queen. I also like the Idea of just giving one more lore indication of where her powers come from. By framing it as a mysterious voice they had the chance to explore this angle. If elsa wasn’t so internally driven by it it could have absolutely been seen as a threat against airendell and elsa’s journey could have been to investigate the source. None of this 5th element stuff tho. Just 1 of a few other elements. In investigating and dealing with the threat elsa could be learning more and more about what it means to be queen to protect yourself and your people. She can use her powers against another spirit, accidentally harm it, and actually think about the nescecity of self defense. What if instead of the spirits being mad about the dam or the 5ths spirit leaving, say it was elsa who was ‘stolen’ not for power or whatever but because their parents fell in love, but as adults, and the actual voice is calling her back maliciously because it sees the power as stolen? We can go from movie 1 being elsa finding herself and accepting who she is, to movie 2 being elsa and anna together learning the war/peace responsibilities of the crown. That way we still get to a lot of the points they wanted to seem to hit.

[@whynot6266]

I think that Frozen 2 should have been about Anna

[@MadameCorgi]

@@whynot6266 this

[@beachballssideaccount]

They should release the 'boring' cut of the film, I'd genuinely like to see how it could've been.

[@real10002]

I agree.

[@derdrakkar]

They should release Frozen 2: 2 Twice, the DLC, Presequel.

[@lancethedecayedguardian2719]

@@derdrakkar Frozen 2.5: Re:mix 358/2 days Chain of Memories

[@jstarwars360]

Test screenings are like peer editing. What's obvious to you may not be clear to the reader and getting feedback can be helpful with that. My favorite story was the test screening for the 40 Year-Old Virgin. The screening was recorded and would played back in the editing room. The crew would use the audiences laughter, and lack of, to determine which scenes to cut/trim and which ones to keep.

[@ginogatash4030]

it wasn't so much boring as it was vague.

[@angelthevolcano5330]

Im still not over how much chemistry Christoff and the Forest dude have together

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Its weird I am the only One who remember the name of the reindeer Guy was Ryder... Litterally everyone doesn't.

[@ayooo_dude777]

Did they?

[@haydenwhitney1607]

@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I remember

[@philly_sports1558]

I don't really know why people want to ship Kristoff and Reindeer Boi (Ryder) together. I always saw it as Kristoff finally managing to make a human dude friend with similar interests after being raised by rock trolls his entire life. And this isn't homophobic BS on my part either. I thought Elsa and that Northuldra girl had chemistry, I love the relationship between Marceline and PB in Adventure Time, etc. I just saw Kristoff and Ryder and platonic friends and that's it. Please don't massacre me in the comments.

[@angelfish1506]

@@philly_sports1558 Eh I disagree. I think they had chemistry. At least more than Anna who just seemed like a friend.

[@MidnightVCoco]

when a company forces people to rush something, IT NEVER TURNS OUT WELL. ISN'T THAT RIGHT NICKELODEON

[@youareloved4226]

are you pointing at a specific Nickelodeon production?

[@Vick_or_somethin]

Cartoon Network too

[@memerboi7128]

What are you guys trying to point out!?

[@kamiladiaz1465]

HA! Have you heard about Sonic 2006?

[@youareloved4226]

@@deoxtroy7556 oh?

[@rouge939]

4:55 you’re not joking he literally sounds like he’s about to burst into tears

[@wlk3607]

ironically having bad movies that no one remembers will hurt disney money wise in the long run... they’re still making money off the classic princesses this long after their release but a lot of their newer movies don’t have the same cultural impact which means 30 years from now their current movies probably won’t have any die hard fans introducing them to their children, etc. but hey who cares about money we could make in the future if you can make money right now??

[@Dr.JonathanCrane]

then they‘ll just make live action remakes of pixar movies or the those few that were succesfull like frozen 1 or moana

[@aluna1234]

@@Dr.JonathanCrane I've heard they are already talking about a live action remake of Frozen 1

[@thunderbird1921]

@@aluna1234 Actually, they want to make one on the ACTUAL "Snow Queen" story, so folks can see what inspired Frozen. My guess is they ruin this too though. BBC I think made a version of it over 15 years ago, it captivated me as a young kid.

[@patiencewallace8453]

Damn. I never thought about it like that.

[@shakinspider]

@@Dr.JonathanCrane noononono don’t let them touch cars please ~

[@realar]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you write the beginning and ending of a story FIRST. The middle is what you develop LAST.

[@SU1_cidalDadbro]

Thank you!

[@TheXiomayAnomaly]

Yes! This is a lesson I learned in 7th grade Drama class that has stuck with me for over a decade. How can professionals forget this?!

[@crazyformyself9773]

yeah... the little plot mountain thing we all learned in the 5th or 6th grade was kiiiinda important lol even the TEACHER said not to worry about what was in the middle, or even the intro, just know HOW and WHERE the story ends. and fill in the JUICY bits last and make it make SENSE worry about details LATER even if you have really cool ideas. write em' down, and MOVE ON... a lesson the creators of miraculous ladybug and disney seems to not have learned smh

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

thanks for the tip buddy

[@qtarokujo3694]

"People have forgotten to tell a story. Stories don't have a middle or end anymore. They usually have a beginning that never stops beginning." - Steven Spielberg

[@QueenAvacado]

What really sucks is that this movie had so many deleted scenes that are freaking awesome. And they cut them out because “it was too scary for kids” I thought they were literally trying to make this movie more geared towards teenagers and adults since those are the people who grew up with the first Frozen. But they dumbed down the movie and added a bunch of stupid jokes and all of which pretty much ruined the story. And they didn’t expand on any of the other characters especially the tribe in the forest. And that one black general guy (forgot his name)

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Yeah, when the most of important stuff is on only storyboard, this smells bad... Other thing... SCARY? How?

[@nightynightlayla374]

Yeah, the movie should had made it's audience for teens.

[@Lumiblanc]

yeah lol like kids nowdays didn't grow up with that scene where Snow White is lost in the dark woods they don't know what is to be scary of a movie's scene

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

@@Lumiblanc yep.

[@thebilliespace]

They gotta sell those toys

[@angelaneeley207]

In my opinion the story would’ve been better if instead of four elements it was the four seasons,with Elsa being the spirit of winter

[@strawberrycherrybaby]

This is already a significantly better concept

[@tiamystic]

Right? Like it was RIGHT THERE.

[@emilyofjane]

Such a simple change, and yet it would’ve made such a massive difference!

[@2l84me8]

Elsa should have been the villain with Anna and Kristoff being the main characters that must undo the curse placed on the spirits that corrupted them. There’s conflict and a dark twist right there that the franchise seriously needed.

[@fantasticbirdblue]

That actually would have been very cool

[@misscaution704]

I feel like Disney is starting to lose what they really are. They’re so wrapped in their success they think can stay successful because they were Disney. They think they shouldn’t try anymore when really that would leave to their downfall.

[@1992disney]

They already have. They've always been that way ever since Bob Iger became the CEO of the company, which he's not anymore (but he doesn't actually officially leave Disney for good until the end of next year) now that former Disney Parks Chairman, Bob Chapek has taken Iger's old top job. But Chapek was the worst Disney Parks Chairman of all time. He ruined the Disney Parks division just like Iger ruined the whole company because he's just like Iger. So he was completely unworthy of becoming Disney's newest CEO. And as soon as Iger officially retires, Chapek is going to pick up right where Iger left off and continue to run Disney to the ground. That's a sure sign that Disney may never be restored to it's former glory and truly become great again and that's really sad.

[@hiraimomosslave9251]

Watch as the studio will go nearly bankrupt but a princess movie will save it for the 3rd time

[@1992disney]

@@hiraimomosslave9251/videos/videos I'm not so sure about that. I doubt that Disney will ever be nearly shut down for good because they're just too big and too wealthy to even fail. But I do know that they can be redeemed by firing all the bad people that were responsible for Disney's true downfall and replacing and even promoting them with people who actually care about quality, the fans, escapism, and timelessness, respect and honor Walt Disney and his legacy, and especially oppose identity politics and the liberal agenda and narrative. That's the only way for Disney to truly become great again.

[@frostedfelony]

Yeah I agree that they only care of money, I don't feel that magic like I did of seeing bambi 1, or the old classics, those had movement and beauty, style, now it's pretty dann generic honestly-

[@byproductofcheese]

Can't wait till disney burns

[@NS-xx1ze]

I love how they tried to make the film more adult and less kidy, then six months before the release added some more exposition and comedy to it, and that ladies and gents is how u make a mixed bag

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Good point.

[@Jevix-xl1tx]

Edge and Funny don't mix if it's aimed at 9 year olds

[@rodrigomorales563]

@@Jevix-xl1tx it's not really edge, and you can mix if you put the time and effort into it.

[@antusFireNova]

@@rodrigomorales563 Too bad they didn't have time

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

Yeah this would've never happened if they had set a target audience from the beginning, if you want to make an animated movie for adults, then make it! Just don't try to appeal to everyone or you'll end up dissapointing everyone with the final result. Too serious and dark for kids, not deep or profound enough for adults, not to mention, too vague for anyone to care.

[@osets2117]

Producer: we've never missed a release date and this is not gonna be the first Disney points gun: your damn right your not. Click-Clack

[@brettwarren5976]

*you're

[@osets2117]

@@brettwarren5976 haha

[@osets2117]

@@brettwarren5976 you're not wrong though

[@something19912]

TOY STORY 2

[@damlakaratekin5016]

There was no mention of it and yet I still read it in mickey mouse's voice

[@Ningy909]

"Show Yourself" was tbh the hardest hitting Disney song since "Part of Your World" so it's a shame that the rest of Frozen 2 is completely forgettable while Little Mermaid will continue to live in my brain forever rent free

[@RogueWolf2006]

Same...That and vuelie are my favourites

[@venum0us]

so true

[@starcherry6814]

I wish they could've done more w Show Yourself, it's the best song but the scenery and dress change was incredibly underwhelming!

[@cowplusdog5655]

i watched little mermaid so many times. and still don't know the story-. in my opinion i really liked frozen 2. (because i actually looked at it from different sides unlike 95% of these other comments) and what is part of your world- sorry..

[@MaxCanonStunner]

@@cowplusdog5655 finally. A person who actually has a brain unlike the other people who just trash talking the movie for no reason.

[@epicjoyfulcreations4580]

“We’ve never missed a release date and there’s no way this is gonna be the first one” Cut to four months later, when Disney had to delay the opening of “Mulan” due to the pandemic and then kept pushing it back for 6 months.

[@Shalalacls]

Well, the movie _was_ ready...

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

I get what you mean but the delay had nothing to do with the creative team not being able to finish the movie on time, it was done, it even had its premiere (which is quite ironic now). There's no way they could've predicted the pandemic, and it was completely out of their control, even IF they wanted to release it in theaters like 99% of them are closed so good luck making any money/getting people to watch it/not having the movie being spoiled for everyone when that ONE guy decides to tell everyone the ending.

[@TasX]

Because they know that no one cares about live-action Disney movies, which is kind of funny

[@patricknyhan7491]

I mean, that's also a very different situation, and they did the same thing with Pixar's Soul and that dragon one

[@icecreamhero2375]

Thats different it wasn't their fault.

[@xenoswarrior6900]

Dude, the statement at 4:54 is terrible to watch honestly. As someone who loves psychology, let me say, he looks like he is legitimately having a panic attack, or a neurotic episode of some sort. I felt so bad for him, he looks like he is about to break down sobbing... Jesus, Disney.

[@magic75450]

And that might've been the most positive footage the docuentary crew managed to film.

[@NameName-yj7lp]

I feel so bad- like there is so much pressure on them

[@nra3zehuti781]

As someone wise once said " slavery never ended, it was redesigned "

[@Dgero]

His breathing and tone of voice definitely makes me worried about him

[@f3lla776]

Yeah i dont think i need a psychology degree to figure that out. Poor guy

[@ofeliasantoshistory]

The producer looks like he's about to break in tears.

[@scp--297]

Right? He looks so sad and stressed. He needs a nap and hugs. All of them do.

[@merlumili]

to be fair, most producers look like that at some point during production lol

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Like my director during production week.

[@Crystal_959]

I feel really bad for the people who worked on the movie. Nobody would join the entertainment industry to be rushed and held to an unmoving deadline. People join the entertainment industry because they want to tell good stories

[@artbytesia]

Yeah, exactly!

[@MaxCanonStunner]

Well they told a good story though.

[@artbytesia]

@@MaxCanonStunner To each their own.

[@MaxCanonStunner]

@@artbytesia maybe.

[@morganfae5227]

Nobody would ever do anything for money

[@littlekitsune1]

Disney have always had an abusive workload on their projects. They're a megacorporation whose priority is making megamoney. Pixar's been throttled by them way too long, and I wish they'd get freed somehow. There's lots of horror stories about how much Disney breathes down their neck and compromises their artistic integrity. I know Pixar got hired to do some animated trailers for Overwatch, and they acted like it was a miracle they were just told to go nuts and do what they wanted with it. I'm not even an Overwatch fan, but I watched those just for the animation, and they turned out great! Let them breathe, Disney!

[@sujalshetty5986]

wait which ones?

[@littlekitsune1]

@@sujalshetty5986 The animated champion shorts.

[@Snoozziing]

Dude I thought of playing over watch because of those shorts, didn’t end up liking the type of game it was because I thought it was more story based, but I fell in love with the shorts nonetheless!

[@LNIGHTREELS]

Whoa whoa whoa, Pixar did the overwatch trailers!?

[@littlekitsune1]

@@LNIGHTREELS Yep!

[@jssolan5207]

Disney CEOs in a nutshell: Walt: We must work hard for perfect entertainment! Eisner: We have to be hip for the kids, THEN we get payed! Iger: H E L L O ! I L I K E M O N E Y ! Edit:Well! Whoopty God damn de do! 2.6k! Who's Ron Miller?

[@rileyovertherainebow]

At least Eisner, in his ultimate goal of making money, acknowledged that in order to make money, the company must make good entertainment.

[@DoctorNumber10]

Ron Miller: I have no idea what I'm doing.

[@MajinBoowomp]

Riley Levine That’s why a part of me feels like the second Bob Iger became CEO is when Disney stopped being an animation company, and just became a corporation

[@thunderbird1921]

@@MajinBoowomp And yet, Iger is hailed in the media as a business genius. All he did was buy some stuff and launch a streaming service. Almost ANY CEO could do that.

[@totoroiswatching]

But buy Fox? They killed the Big Six and made it the Big Five.

[@Companion92]

The Animal Crossing time push back lead to perfect timing for it coming out

[@fineapple3435]

Oh yeah Doom

[@Kolazola]

Yeah but it was still pretty half baked, its kinda just a multi-player diorama simulator where they have to add everything that was normally in the base game as dlc. Like it was super popular when it came out but now I literally know no one who still plays it. Like he said in the video, a bad game is bad forever. Remember pokemon go? It was the most popular thing when it released, there were literal businesses that had a team sign painted on the side of their store. After the hype peak its only played by people who are dedicated and beyond that no one speaks of it. So yes it was perfect timing but they still released a half baked game most likely because they had no pressure on their employees. WHICH ISN'T A BAD THING, but if you don't put expectations a delayed game will look just like a rushed game but with less glitches. Just like no man's sky and Pokémon go animal crossing has to release updates to keep the game interesting when cityfolk had the entire game on one disk at launch

[@carl6780]

@@Kolazola So well said! As a long-time fan of animal crossing, New Horizons was SUCH a disappointment. There's barely anything to do!! The amount of content is just such a step backwards, and I am not going to sit around and wait for seasonal updates. It's like they just gave us a couple sandbox tools for customizing more than we could before, but sacrificed the charm and everything that makes AC so lovely. I would LOVE instead of NH we had CF or NL with the graphics + quality of life of NH ):

[@yaahyaahyahh]

Alina Pinto Alina Pinto the thing is, for past animal crossing games LIKE New Leaf it got popular when all of the updates had already been out, it didn’t start out with all the cool stuff and events it has now. People got spoiled when New Horizons came out and are now impatient for content, which is on the player, not Nintendo.

[@carl6780]

Noobmaster 69 I played New Leaf since it came out in America, and I can tell you it had PLENTY more content than NH does . Sure, the Amiibo stuff didn’t come until 2016 but the game was already super fleshed out at that point. There’s like, what, 12 special npcs in NH? And it’s been six months since release! ): just disappointing. Hopefully one day it’ll have a passable amount of content, but I don’t see why we have to wait nearly a year for that to come.

[@strelasart]

I took a 3D animation course (didn’t finish it is literally hell. You have to be nuts to work in this industry) and sadly deadlines and last minute crunches are VERY VERY VERY common. Like it’s in almost every movie. And I’m not just talking about fully animated. Any movie with cgi works their animators to the bone last minute. Too give you an idea of what it’s like I told my friends hat we were told by multiple animators that came to talk to our class and when I told them what work hours turned into in the last months all my friend told me is “but that’s illegal, they can’t make you do that” and she was right. But animators jobs like this don’t work like most jobs. You work contract jobs. It’s true they can’t MAKE you come in and work 20 hours, but this shot needs to be done buy Wednesday and you know they don’t HAVE to sign you back. You don’t get it done, you don’t have a job after this movie. Doesn’t even matter if you know this movie is going to suck. One of the animators I talked to worked on the dolittle remake. She said it sucked in the kindest way possible. This was maybe a month before it came out?? I’m sure not all jobs are the same, but from all the people in the industry I talked to it is most of them. If ya have any questions feel free to ask. I have a good amount of industry knowledge even if I’m not in it. c:

[@toastgear2532]

I am currently learning to be good at animation. Any advice?

[@strelasart]

@@toastgear2532 use tons of references, take your time and don’t be afraid to break the rules of how things should work. As long as it look good from the camera that’s all the matters!! That is if it’s 3D lol

[@toastgear2532]

@@strelasart Oh ok thanks!

[@cheeryberrie]

Im in my second year of studying animation at college. Almost jump from the balcony 3 times in the first month

[@teehub7389]

Crunch is also pretty common in video games (which are completely computer-generated) from what I know of.

[@curesaul5749]

It’s sad that at this point Disney’s priority is money instead of true art.

[@somethingwithbungalows]

I miss those days lol And y’know.. sometimes I forget Walt Disney died so long ago..? Ya ever feel that way? Feels like he died in the 80s or somethin’. I guess they did a good job of keeping his spirit alive.

[@curesaul5749]

ًSomething with Bungalow he died in 1966

[@thunderbird1921]

Some older folks I've been around have said "Disney died with Walt". The older I get, the more I see why they'd think that. Other than a few decent films in the 90s, their glory years were honestly over by 1970 or so. The films since then just don't have the same heart or quality for the most part (not to mention they mutilated the story of Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame). Really unfortunate.

[@meishiate-8139]

Yeah, I've been really disappointed with the recent movies, and it's not that there bad, designs are great, voice actors as well, the problem is that there's no originality, and it feels like their ideas are meh

[@WhaleManMan]

Yeah, Disney executives during the Renaissance like Katzenberg and Weisner were 100% just about the art, and never money hungry in any way shape or form. 🙄

[@eldoony]

If you listen closely, you can hear the ghost of Walt Disney loading his conveniently-shaped Mickey Mouse glock and pointing it at the producers of the film.

[@crownclowncreations]

He would never. Walt had a passion for animation, not money.

[@eldoony]

@@crownclowncreations Oh no, I'm not saying he wanted the movie to come out. I'm saying that he doesn't.

[@toad7395]

@@crownclowncreations he means he would shoot them if they released it rushed

[@crownclowncreations]

@@eldoony Oh shoot! Sorry, my bad ^^' I totally misunderstod what you were saying.

[@patiencewallace8453]

Never thought I’d hear the words “Mickey Mouse glock” in that order but okay 👍🏾😂

[@4nimeJax]

I would've rather had a vague, ambitious story that children might not appreciate till they're older. Than a story that is overly simplified and feels like a direct to DVD Disney sequel that came out in the mid 2000's with amazing animation

[@theslayerofsimps8100]

Dude your right 🤣

[@oncreativemode5486]

something like megamind

[@misakiaobathehedgehog]

@@oncreativemode5486 holy shiet, you're right

[@definitelynotmoe]

The bee movie?

[@alexanerose4820]

Would ou then pay for it years later when you finally get it? Sounds like a bad business model. Let's not forget folks: the movie industry is a business and art be damned if they can't even pay for the tools to make the art.

[@metademetra]

"Adults liked it, but kids found it too vague." So what you're saying is, individuals that grew up watching Frozen liked it and thought it was a good sequel, but smaller kids that never had a connection to Frozen didn't know what was going on. So instead of going with the adults that would for sure spend money on a good sequel, they bet on the kids who MIGHT NOT watch it, and so made a film that felt like it didn't even belong in the same universe. GOT IT.

[@mofuspacetime]

"Kids found it too confusing and vague, so the crew decided to go back and simplify everything." Back when Frozen came out in 2013, I was about 4 or 5 when I saw it, and I didn't even understand most of the movie. Maybe it's because I skipped most of the scenes, or because I was just paying attention to the visuals and the music and not to the dialogue, but rewatching it as a 13 year old, I realized that there were a bunch of things in the original movie that I didn't get when I was younger. I didn't understand what the trolls were doing when they were changing Anna's memories, or why Elsa was distanced and isolated from Anna. I didn't understand what happened when their parents died, so my Dad had to explain it afterwards. I know that everyone's saying this, but I'll say this again: They didn't need to go simplify and clarify things to make it easier for kids to understand. I didn't even understand the first Frozen movie when I was 5 years old. When they rewatch it when they're older, the things that went over their head when they were younger, they will understand later on. And this is the thing with a bunch of media and stories.

[@2l84me8]

If a movie is made for only children to appreciate, then they didn’t really make a movie. What they’ve made instead was a toy commercial.

[@2l84me8]

@@svlsrv0010 Toy manufacturers used to promote toys from R rated movies to children. Such as Robocop for example.

[@Uhohlisa]

I mean, it is a movie for kids ya weirdo

[@BrokensoulRider]

@@Uhohlisa Annnd... what's that supposed to mean? That people who were raised on the original movie/enjoyed the original movie can't also enjoy the new one? This mindset is why Disney animation has fallen behind so much. You can have a very deep/sad story and still make it marketable for kids. Little Mermaid. Lion King. Beauty and the Beast. They are all very adult stories, but made beautifully and done in a way that makes it look fun for kids. This is excuse is the most pathetic excuse anyone in the industry can make and you know it.

[@jesseburgener442]

It honestly kind of sounds like this movie was built around the song Let it Go 2, aka Into the Unknown

[@goji253]

I mean, "into the unknown" is basically the call to adventure in song form. You can't really fuck it up based on that as it's the point where the story barely started.

[@boyfriendkisser]

I guess I can see the logic since Frozen was rewritten because of Let It Go, as in Elsa was originally a villain, then the song made them change their minds so the story changed to suit that. Building the movie around a song worked for the first one... Except idk the first movie did still have the foundations when they decided to change things & personally I don't even like it aha

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@boyfriendkisser The difference being that Into the Unknown, while a decent song, is fairly vague in subject matter. You could put it in nearly any adventure movie. It's a song that gets you excited because you know something is about to happen. The lyrics of Let It Go are much more personal and specific to the character in question and acted as a turning point for her. Thematically it has much more in common with Show Yourself. It's the kind of song that gives a sympathetic look into the mind and heart of the character, which is why they rewrote her around it. It would have been fantastic as a villian song too because it would have made us understand where she was coming from and given the villain depth. Either way you go, it's completely tied to Elsa as a person.

[@Capydapy]

The original Frozen was kind of built around Let It Go so that sounds like a good theory.

[@simonegreco1958]

Those two songs don't have the same role in the story

[@ApostlicNinjaGirl]

Referring to Miyamoto's quote at 8:08, he definitely knows what he is talking about. Zelda: Breath of the Wild came out two years after it was supposed to and it did insanely well, and in undeniably an incredible game. It's beautiful, well constructed, and so thoughtful, you could tell the makers loved it as much as the players. That's what we need from Disney movies. They need the time to make it well and to allow their employees to have decent lives at the same time. That's what would allow them to make better movies than they have been recently.

[@birdmeat8534]

botw is hands down the best zelda game imo. good mechanics, cool story, and the open world doesn't feel empty at all. 100/10

[@MAR_abisal]

And for some reason Mario 64 was left untouched when everyone asked for a remake of the game, still Nintendo is my life.

[@seb24789]

Botw is a pretty standard Ubisoft formula open world game. You run around, do mission, clear camps and climb towers. I honestly don't see what's so groundbreaking except "it's Nintedno/it's Zelda!!!".

[@MAR_abisal]

@@seb24789 I think it’s because of how it looks in the most part and other visual ascetics

[@shakinspider]

@@seb24789 you haven’t played the game have you? :)

[@cassylk22]

Disney's money-centric decisions will lead to their downfall. It's about making art damn it.

[@frankhorrigan1508]

No, keep dreaming. It Will be 100 years until that happens

[@thunderbird1921]

Disney CANNOT tell a story anymore, why do people think they've had to buy so much stuff? Pixar and Marvel are the only reason they're still relevant, and that maybe starting to run out. So, they bought 20th Century Fox.

[@EyesWillRule]

For Frozen II, Disney had six years between feature-length installments. It was announced in March 2015, effectively four and a half years. Typically Disney films take five years in production from conceptualization to finish, though Frozen already did a huge amount of heavy lifting for the sequel by establishing characters, setting, and various assets. Four and a half years is ample time to get a sequel out, yet it ended up a clustercuss. The failure was in the script. Place blame where blame is due.

[@NairAthul]

@@EyesWillRule but I think Jennifer Lee and the Lopezes was also stretched too thin. Remember, they also wrote the book and music for the Broadway show...and that's an even longer process than an animated film.

[@EyesWillRule]

@@NairAthul The Lopezes perhaps as they also did Coco, but between "Frozen Fever" and Frozen II Lee wrote the screenplay to A Wrinkle in Time (bigger bomb than Solo) and the book to Frozen the Musical (which only got nominated for awards by default and closed before Aladdin). Considering A Wrinkle in Time was based upon a book already adapted multiple times to live-action and Frozen the Musical was a stage adaptation for a movie Lee wrote, it really wasn't too time-consuming. Television writers push out more scripts in a year than Lee has written in her lifetime. Considering screenwriting is Lee's only specialty, it shows how weak of a link she really is.

[@emmyrose954]

Nintendo: We delayed Animal Crossing New Horizons because we care about our game developers and we want them to have a healthy lifestyle Disney: N o

[@cloudshines812]

Square Enix did the same with FF7R. It was supposed to release in March 2020 but they delayed the game for an extra month. And it wasn’t due to COVID because they confirmed the delay way before COVID initiated

[@austinfondren5053]

@@cloudshines812 Though, SE also delayed The Avengers and Kingdom Hearts 3 by literal years and still had a poor product come out. Granted, they had to work with Dis--WAIT A MINUTE!!

[@nonamepasserbya6658]

@@austinfondren5053 And don't forget Marvel vs Capcom infinite.

[@austinfondren5053]

@@nonamepasserbya6658 Giving my boy Wolverine the boot just cuz Disney didn't have the film rights to the X-Men smh

[@bucketbutters866]

Scott: in response to SB being delayed again, i give you another game. Enjoy (Scott cawthon, not the scott the woz)

[@IIxIxIv]

Crunch in animation is sadly the norm. Almost every animated movie has (unnecessary) crunch and worker rights are very weak in this field in particular

[@fossilfighters101]

Ugh that's so awful. Disney needs to drink their worker respecting juice and maybe let unions exist

[@strider117aldo9]

Naughty Dog and Rockstar, anyone? Their stuff is fine and it seems they desire money AND quality out of crunch.

[@strider117aldo9]

@Ae U Hey, not against discussing crunch, herr.

[@M50A1]

@@fossilfighters101 disney would never allow a union to exist, especially with their history involving unions

[@soyasauce3626]

I think a lot of it has to do with English animated pop culture films almost exclusively being made in the US where there are poor workers unions and artists in general have always had low wages, long work hours and poor labor unions

[@matthewklemp2631]

"It's probably a bad sign when the behind-the-scenes documentary is more consistently entertaining than the movie, right?" -James

[@IcyDiamond]

Unpopuler Opinion yeah, I haven’t seen it but it’s probably better

[@sara.danielaa]

Anything is better than Frozen 2

[@gigigggigi]

I thought this as soon as i finished. it made me appreciate the movie more, and i never outright disliked it. but it was so much better imo omggg i loved it

[@DantheToonMan]

Which James?

[@theshamanite]

I love behind-the-scenes. It's my favorite part of Adventure Time, and I would like to see more of Disney's process for such a sheer scale.

[@jstarwars360]

2:45 - Fun Gravity Falls Fact: Originally, The Hand that Rocks Mabel was going to end with Gideon meeting a mysterious hooded figure. The idea was scrapped as the crew didn't know the identity of person and they didn't want to introduce a mystery unless they knew the answer to it.

[@idkhow9603]

Gravity Falls is such a great series. We need to aprecciate the work Alex and team put into it.

[@TheStarBot]

@@idkhow9603 *The best thing that Alex Hirsch and his crew created Disney only produced it and hold the copyright, we should praises the songs for the actual creators of the media we consume, not the media companies

[@philly_sports1558]

Dipper is in Frozen II. His voice actor is at least.

[@idkhow9603]

@Neptune @StarBot Yes you guys are correct Gravity Falls is actually Alex's work not disneys

[@idkhow9603]

A behind the scenes for gravity falls would be great.

[@skewd2528]

A good story works with mediocre animation A mediocre story does not work even with the best animation.. Disney has animation mastered, they could make the best looking movies ever. It's the story they need to work on more..

[@artbytesia]

Agreed.

[@cowplusdog5655]

more like they need to give the people more time

[@kasumi4055]

Your first point is really true about anime. Some Anime's look like they were drawn by 5th grader but have a intense storyline and succeed anyway.

[@cowplusdog5655]

@@kasumi4055 it's mostly because the animators animate with the manga's art style

[@kasumi4055]

@@cowplusdog5655 Oh. Thank you for telling me about this.

[@happycamperds9917]

“This will be the sequel to Frozen forever.” Shrek 3 would like to have a word with you.

[@ShanineJackman]

HappyCamper DS99 I honestly buried that mess in the deepest parts of my mind to the point I don't remember it 😆.I honestly consider "Shrek forever after" as the true 3rd film in the Shrek franchise..

[@normadgarmez7026]

Not to mention Batman Forever... No doubt there will be a third film and maybe a tv series of Frozen.

[@RobertJW]

@@ShanineJackman Didn't Forever After retcon 3 out of existence somehow?

[@bleedingmasque.6193]

Say it with me, kids. "That movie. Isn't. Canon."

[@EmptyHand49]

I rewatched it and it's not as bad as I remembered

[@notcaprimaiz]

Hurts that there's a documentary not to the same detail for this but never for ratatouille.

[@whamloverfr]

omg i would love that

[@akatuski420davis6]

I whole heartedly agree.

[@ao9688]

Or any of their more popular movies

[@honeybee3269]

I mean, you could watch the dvd???

[@XxDeadpool99xX]

@@honeybee3269 Kids these days don't know the joys of physical media and the extra content it provides

[@healmore8716]

It’s kind sad to see that the documentary of Frozen 2 is Better then Frozen 2

[@cyberxgaming1215]

Yikes

[@sordidzucchini1303]

Healmore oof

[@squeen666]

It’s sad seeing all this talented people working in mediocre movies

[@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003]

Wtf?

[@cbm-analyst1507]

S Queen yep

[@aunnahr8833]

In a tim Burton documentary he talked about the amount of stress he was under when working for Disney and that's why he left

[@masterseal0418]

Now that makes sense when we're talking about Disney's bad business practices. Sure, Disney is an amazing company, but their bad business practices deserve to get them criticism, because people root for them to improve. Without Disney making up to Burton from the company's mistakes, we wouldn't have them help the guy make The Nightmare Before Christmas a masterpiece of which goth communities flock over to the nearest Hot Topic to get merch from the franchise including Kingdom Hearts!

[@darwincity]

Was this after Dumbo?

[@ck-1649]

@@darwincity well that depends on when he was working. Because earlier in his career, he was involved with the early drafts of The Black Cauldron

[@nightwish1453]

@@ck-1649I think it may have been dumbo, that movie is the most un-Tim burton that despite it being completely un-recogniseable compared to the original a lot of it feels like copy paste tropes from other Disney remakes thrown in and not something Tim button would do

[@sandrahwu]

Lost in the Woods out of context: Kristoff sends an armed battalion to remind her of his love.

[@madisonmeyers5493]

da da da da da!

[@sparkles7111]

everybody!

[@ripcore5641]

You say, the price of my love’s not a price that your willing to pay

[@IcyDiamond]

You’ll Be Back >>>>>>>>>>>> Lost In The Woods

[@xsweetiebloomx605]

@@ripcore5641 You cry, in your tea which you hurl in the sea when you see me go by

[@WlatPziupp]

“We have no obligation to make Art. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make a statement. But to make money, it is often important to make history, art, a statement, or all three.” - Michael Eisner

[@declaniii6324]

I like that quote, but I don’t trust quotes on the internet. Do you have a source?

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

@@declaniii6324 don't worry, to avoid that, I always say "as someone once say"

[@Christopher_TG]

@@declaniii6324 The book Disneywar: The Battle for the Magic Kingdom. He said this at a shareholders meeting.

[@projectanimation7730]

Baconninja Eisner stated this in a memo back in 1981 when he was still working at Paramount, so when he moved on to Disney and brought his quick, easy, marketable ideology with him, much of the staff suffered. His ongoing struggle with Ron Clements and John Musker over The Little Mermaid and Treasure Planet is probably the best example of how dismissive he was towards creativity within the company.

[@Christopher_TG]

@@projectanimation7730 It's not a coincidence that it was under Eisner that Disney began to produce a lot of direct-to-home sequels. Bob Iger's philosophy is to go big, create cash-grabs that don't feel cheap. That way you can make easy, reliable money while not degrading the Disney brand. That's why the direct-to-video sequels are out and now we get live action remakes.

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

It's sad when a behind-the-scenes documentary is better and more interesting than the actual film.

[@HulittyJing]

Mary Poppins...

[@chloesavannahcummings7982]

@@HulittyJing you read my mind. I think I'm on Pamela's side on this one

[@Maxolotl124]

@dada_ deestructx Considering how much Saving Mr. Banks made me cry, I think it may be higher up on my list than even the original Mary Poppins, as great a movie as it was

[@2l84me8]

I’m still sadden to think what Frozen 2 could have been if they treated the animators like people and gave them a reasonable work schedule.

[@eatatjoe]

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[@cowplusdog5655]

i already liked it, but i probably would've even liked it more

[@reverseshin]

I do think there was more to it, like I think the voice was way more than what they showed us, plus I do believe that Elsa is only 1 of the “spirt” people. Remember the scene when Elsa opened the door and there were multiple floating shards. I think those shards mean there’s more Spirt people, with one of them standing for Elsa.

[@MakotoIchinose]

Last time an animiated movie got delayed, it turned out exceeding expectations, it really paid off for everyone, and broke a running gag curse for once. *cough* Sonic The Hedgehog Movie

[@MoccaDeShibe]

To be fair it only got delayed because of the huge online backlash it got after the trailer drops. Meanwhile frozen 2 teaser looks pretty promising at first

[@cloudshines812]

The Sonic movie is fundamentally great. And it wasn’t just the redesign. You could really tell by the final film compared to its first trailer, the filmmakers wanted to do everything to fix and make the movie flow through and succeed well... which it did. And I’m super excited and crossing my fingers for Sonic 2 in 2022. I don’t think I’ve felt like this for a movie sequel since Sam Raimi’s Spider Man

[@TheArtistLuna]

Fuck your right

[@sonictennyson2201]

Sonic will become Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man but no emo dance

[@nonamepasserbya6658]

@@sonictennyson2201 Shadow could do the emo dance. Sonic did the Floss after all

[@tjofcarolina1776]

Not surprised at all that Disney never considered delaying. Large American companies are terrible in how they treat their workers

[@tomc.5704]

When you're owned by the shareholders, you have to do what the shareholders want. And what do they want? Profits. Now.

[@heatherilou]

look at japanese ones

[@misterdewott8766]

Oh yeah. Always blame the Americans

[@nikkoa.3639]

@@heatherilou Oh shoot those black companies man, they're so freaky. Looking at it from a completely animation standpoint, I think only KyoAni (hell yeah for their revival) has a reputation for actually caring about their employees. I don't know about other animation studios though.

[@armaansingh7452]

@@nikkoa.3639 Black companies?

[@josefagomezschmeisser8356]

Also the deleted kristoff and Anna duet “get this right” 😭 that song was so good , and had more topics of their relationship and kristoff's true insecurities than are more realistic than what ended up in the film, lost in the woods still amazing but they could make both with a little changes

[@star_is_deactivated4731]

My little romance loving heart is saddened by this news.

[@chishiy4]

anna proposing would've been so good

[@bronwentunes]

It was a very honest and adorable exploration of their relationship 😭 Wish they kept it instead of only giving Kristoff a meme song

[@snakeyboii6142]

Also in the movie anna doesnt give a crap about kristoff

[@ToibiDoesStuff]

They should've also kept the idea of having Arendale destroyed. It would've actually given meaning to the movie!

[@simonwesterlund2151]

”We’ve never missed a release date, and there’s no way we’re gonna be the first one” ”I will not be the weak link!”

[@genevieveowusu885]

I am the Morning and Evening Star. I am PHAROAH.

[@RicardoHipper]

A Dreamworks reference to a Disney documentary. Oh the irony

[@ohdeeoh]

Alternative Title: Why the behind-the-scenes Frozen 2 Documentery is a cinematic masterpiece

[@hannahcraig6763]

I don't really like movies or tv in general but this was one of my favorite things I've ever watched! (And I hated frozen 2)

[@hannahcraig6763]

@Elalae La it's a Disney+ exclusive. There are six episodes, each of which are 45 minutes to an hour long. A lot of it won't make a huge amount of sense if you haven't seen frozen 2. Like this review describes, if you love frozen 2 I think this will help you understand why it was so great, and if you hated frozen 2 it provides a certain amount of insight as to why it was so bad (though I wish the documentary started earlier, it begins when they're animating which I assume is several months after the story is written).

[@hannahcraig6763]

@Elalae La you could try to find a bootleg version but for now it is legally only on Disney+. It's pretty new, maybe someday they'll release it elsewhere.

[@hannahcraig6763]

@Elalae La I was also really excited for Frozen 2! Frozen was one of my all time favorite Disney movies and frozen 2 is the only movie I've seen in theaters since the Lego Movie. I was pretty disappointed though- I felt like all the characters were really different from the first movie and the story had nothing to do with the setting, magic system, or character development from the original. But if you liked it, you can see just how hard everyone worked to refine the story and put together the beautiful animation.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

It’s sad when sequels only make money because they’re _sequels_ , and not because they’re genuinely good. It becomes painfully obvious it was only conceived to make money, and not to explore a story. At best they can try and hide that fact, but at worse it just feels manipulative.

[@chileanyways196]

Exactly

[@MysShadowdragon]

it was obvious when they couldn't come up with a better name then frozen....two.

[@spaghett1tacos]

MysShadowdragon but most movies do that.. Toy Story 2, LEGO Movie 2, Airplane 2

[@MysShadowdragon]

Gabriella Rivera that doesn’t denote a lack of creative naming still, also only one of those was considered quite good and even then it wasn’t a good as the first

[@princessthyemis]

EX-FUCKING-XACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Money because they're sequels--they can't stand on their own as movies at all!

[@EmileeAshe]

As someone waist deep in creative fields like this and the knowledge of what happens with them, it's kinda surprising to see you so surprised by a situation like this. Crunch is disgustingly normal, and it's basically garunteed every animated movie you've seen in the last five years has gone thru some form of it. But more attention should be drawn to it, and I think people who do critisim of media should know and care more about the actual humans behind the stuff they're talking about. Animation is fucking hard, period. Nice to see that acknowledged.

[@DeadKraken]

Exactly. Many people call themselves "animation fans" but they don't even bother learning the names of the people who worked hard on the product they say they love so much. It's kind of disheartening, especially in 2D animation, considering how many hours of work even a single minute of animation takes.

[@Meleena2218]

i just graduated animation this year and let me tell you about crunch time people that read this. it's disgusting. EA got in a shit load of trouble for mistreating their staff during crunch time. I forget what it was called, something like the worker's wives? basically, the animator's wives all got pissed that their spouses were pulling 80 hour work weeks to get games done and not being paid for the overtime. sadly EA is one but many companies that do this. I believe TellTale games had the same issues, rockstar, Disney, Ubisoft (I think), and so many more. Japan is really well known for pushing its staff too for small wages mostly in the 2d animation field. one of my profs told me stories of being scared of holding up the pipeline because it could cost the company everything and possibly blacklist them for future work (not sure how it is nowadays but that was waaaay back in the day so...). my other profs told me of times where the studios would go bankrupt and can't afford to pay the staff for months of work so the staff would show up and raid the studios of computers so they could sell them for money. but I still want to make video games lol just wish we'd unionize the field so we would be more secure.

[@Meleena2218]

@@DeadKraken i"m pretty sure I busted my tailbone in some way from sitting at my desk to work on my 2d animation project for class. I sometimes can't bend over because it pinches. I remember when I handed in that assignment I couldn't walk sit or bend for like two weeks. and that was only for a college assignment, I wonder how they are in the field.

[@fitzhugh7463]

@@Meleena2218 the worst is when you worked on a beat of your shot for days to get the body mechanics right, only for your teacher or supervisor to give you notes telling you to change the beat so you have to go back, delete all of the key poses and breakdown and frankenstein together a completely new body movement within a couple days. freaking brutal!

[@Meleena2218]

@@fitzhugh7463 oh that just gave me PTSD flashbacks. I remember having to do that on a few occasions. I remember one student asked the teacher for feedback on a final due like in two days. He looked her in the eyes and was like "line work is shit. Do it over." And it was a design pack and I felt so bad for them. Another thing I hated too was my 3d prof wasn't all that amazing at 3d or if he was he just hated us. He "helped" my friend with his project due in like a week and he fucked it up so hard. Like holy crap it looked like shit. And when the teacher left, the guy just sat there and was all quiet and like "I didn't save a copy of my file before he touched it....i have to redo it all." I died inside for him

[@savagegamer81013]

This documentary was better than the actual movie

[@cowplusdog5655]

do you actually think that? or are you just following the other comments. cus i thought i was pretty good

[@MaxCanonStunner]

@@cowplusdog5655 he's just following the other comments who has no brains.

[@themaincharacter420]

@@cowplusdog5655 the animation is good the story *idea* is good but how it was rushed and executed makes it ehh....yk....t h i s *Edit: I kinda liked it*

[@CrimesAgainstHuFranity]

Theory: Schaffrillas is preparing to make a movie and he is studying behind-the-scenes documentries inorder to learn how to do it.

[@Leah-ne2dk]

Cast: Tamatoa: Schaffrillas Tamatoa: Schaffrillas Tamatoa: Schaffrillas Tamatoa: Schaffrillas Music: Shiny - Tomatoa

[@cyberhonk2999]

That would be incredible

[@philly_sports1558]

He already has. Sharp Talk is a masterpiece that will be very difficult to follow up.

[@theminiyosshi2901]

Or how to not make something like this

[@matthewhunter1193]

Unlikely, but I like the theory Though I feel like Schaff would probably try writing his own musical beforehand

[@pat3nt_m4x10]

Bruh I just saw someone comment Avatar: The Last Snowbender and I'm laughing my ass off.

[@princezuko9430]

Same

[@remyhavoc4463]

Was it @L H that said it?

[@pat3nt_m4x10]

@@remyhavoc4463 yep

[@slowsourdough4569]

but everything changed when the fire spirit attacked

[@signodeinterrogacion8361]

PFFFF... Dont be stupid, we all know Meelo is the only true snowbender

[@toastcrumch]

As an animator I have to prepare myself mentally before I start a project because even creating a short film by yourself literally breaks you. It’s weeks of stress and experimentation on end but it all culminates when you get to see it come alive.

[@aarijjamil6174]

I will give Disney a pro tip that even the gaming industry uses all of the time: “Begin with the ending in mind, and, a polished, clear, proper story which gives direction and keeps the audience awe inspiring moments create a good and awesome movie, no matter if it is rushed or delayed, or no matter it has more emotion than the other, it will be good.”

[@SpiritKitten]

I'm sad that they still wanted to market the movie to kids when that was what the first movie did, and the kids of that movie had grown up, and were most likely ready for something more darker and mature!

[@KazuhaEien]

When I first watched the trailer, I really loved how dark the sequel looked. It may just be because I like dark things, but the trailer made the sequel look epic and interesting, with beautiful visuals. I was not a big Frozen fan at the time but I was exited for all the big twists and turns it could take. Oh well. While I did enjoy the actual sequel, I was a bit disappointed with it.

[@thunderbird1921]

That's what How To Train Your Dragon did. The first film and first TV series were more "kiddie" aimed, then the second film got darker for teenagers (along with the second series) and finally concluded it with a film for young adults.

[@boop3601]

@@thunderbird1921 Gosh, the HTTYD series was done phenomenally well! I saw the first in theatre when I was young, the second on DVD, and the last in theatre with my buddies. As soon as the end credits started rolling for the last movie, me and my friends bawled our eyes out, while none of the little children in the theatre did anything (since they didn't have as much sentimental value for the production). It was definitely because as we grew up, the characters grew up with us! Having it end in such a beautiful way really touched us, I'm just sad that Frozen didn't get the same treatment! I love both of the movies because I'm a fan of the songs, but they really missed out on making the series so much better by following what HTTYD did!

[@sunspotmill1291]

@@thunderbird1921 The Harry Potter movies too!

[@fdimension]

@@sunspotmill1291 Technically, Harry Potter was a book series first, so the movies follow him growing up because that's how the books were written. Same concept though.

[@thebloodyaussie1458]

"We've never missed a release date and this isn't gonna be the first" Coronavirus: THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME!

[@jaydenkhoury4254]

Frozen 2 would’ve really benefited from a 3rd act dramatic cover of “I need a hero”

[@anib8863]

@Mustiboi Salman I think it was a joke.

[@blackmould]

It honestly would improve it so why not

[@tavrosnitram1529]

They all have to wear and/or paint themselves green though

[@sydneylittle9822]

I was shocked watching this documentary how chaotic this process went. Everything rushed and ambiguous about the ending of Frozen 2 suddenly made sense. I can’t believe they rushed Show Yourself so much, I could really tell that animation sequence hadn’t been fleshed out watching it the first time. Especially comparing it to Elsa’s other discovery moment in Let it go; it just seemed so empty and vague. The song itself is beautiful, but really the animators had no choice but to rush and cut corners. It’s pretty sad :(

[@JohnCena-ei2pj]

While true about the animators, the story wasn't at all rushed like this dude seems to be implying. The major plot points were in the background of the first episode of the docu. The ending of with the new Queen was literally the first thing they decided on. Idk what you found confusing about that.

[@starcherry6814]

Atahalan was pitch black! I was incredibly underwhelmed!

[@MaxCanonStunner]

There's nothing wrong with show youself. The hell you're talking?

[@KingArthur39]

That guy saying that they cant release the movie after the date sounds like he is about to cry

[@_the_]

When I watched the documentary myself I felt the same, these people are so tough

[@nickgadson266]

Arthur It’s like the cameraman was pointing a gun at him.

[@lh3664]

Possible storylines: Hans gets a redemption arc! Olaf gets a girlfriend! Arendelle faces an external threat, time for the sisters to prove their bond and protect their people! But actually: Pocahontas! + Avatar: the Last Snowbender. (laughs nervously in time crunch)

[@KazuhaEien]

That idea would be much better. I've always wanted Hans to get redeemed tbh

[@KazuhaEien]

Eric Lee What do you mean?

[@KazuhaEien]

Eric Lee Oh okay. I can see. That fits well

[@palettedpersona]

@jackie I personally like the last possible storyline but we all have our opinions.

[@Emu19]

Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever give Olaf a girlfriend. Hell, SVEN doesn't need a girlfriend either! And Elsa... Okay maybe a girlfriend BUT NO! It's such a terrible awful completely bad gross trope that everyone falls back on when they don't know how to develop a character further. "Oh uh, well... This character kinda had his arc already, so let's toss him into the background a bit and make a pink version of basically the same character model so they can be cute and have almost no purpose in the movie!" I mean... Look at How To Train Your Dragon 3..... Completely useless (jk idk I haven't seen it but I refuse to simply because this trope is in it 😂😭). Lookit fuckin' Fairytopia Magic of the Rainbow. Bibble DID NOT need a fuckin' pink counterpart to sit there doing absolutely nothing so they could make the movie longer by writing an entire B plot. Fuck Dizzle. Worst character. What am I talking about again?

[@chumplafayette9561]

Schafrillas: "It's the Good Dinosaur's fault." No, it's Disney's fault. They chose making profits for their shareholders over respecting the creative people they employ.

[@MAR_abisal]

Both’s fault

[@joshuazhao9597]

@@MAR_abisal um isn't it Disney's fault for allowing good dinosaur to be released so yeah its Disney's fault.

[@MAR_abisal]

@@joshuazhao9597 I said both

[@BriarBeeBenson]

They’ve sadly never respected the creative people they employ, just look at Treasure Planet to see how their staff and their ideas are treated like dirt.

[@Timothy_-ve2zp]

@@joshuazhao9597 hey Good Dinosaur not being allowed to release is a win in my book

[@solcarlosofficial]

And they cut the best song “get this right”

[@alena984]

Wow never seen someone with over 200k subs get no likes or replies. I’ll change that.

[@paxxisticks]

That song was genuinely good, I feel like that one scene is better than most of the movie tbh

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

This is better than the actual movie, change my mind

[@heehee2007]

No I don’t think I will

[@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735]

I doubt I will ever try to, I don't wanna be nuked

[@alexandranicholas6310]

Correct as always supreme leader!

[@mastersio3647]

Happily, yes.

[@MAR_abisal]

Just don't play with bombs okay?

[@nahtanoj5719]

These people worked so hard, they looked stressed and tired, but Disney don't care because money and money and more money. I can see other corporations doing this but Disney is already stupid rich and they are milking this dry I don't know about you but it pisses me off to see already stupidly rich companies so greedy.

[@ashildrtheswift3028]

It's one of the reasons why I can't understand people whose dream it is to work at Disney.

[@cheesydelphox1552]

oh wow you guys with the fairy tail pfps are like a cult

[@bchufbcfcf3526]

Ashildr The Swift I just want to work on Disney television animation

[@frozenheartart4515]

And this is why my dreams of animating for Disney no longer exist

[@bchufbcfcf3526]

Frozen Heart Art so your going to work for Cartoon Network cause that was my second s Choice if this don’t work out.

[@Aarantula]

Imagine if they really did delay the movie until February. Y'know... like the sonic the hedgehog movie was delayed.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

That was done for re-modeling, not script changing. Frozen 2 DID have script changing because the test audience was a mixed bag. In the first Sonic trailer, people only said 1 thing: "S O N I C I S U G L Y". The crew heard it and changed him. In both cases you have the need to listen to the audience, but 1 only needed to re-model an animated character, while the other had to re-write a story.

[@kaydwessie296]

And February is more “Wintery” than November so it would have been BETTER

[@nightynightlayla374]

Kay Dwessie, I think it was preparing for Christmas. You know for the Frozen merch.

[@shenelll985]

Eric Lee yes exactly

[@PrinceLuigii]

" Couldn't Disney just skip one Summer?" Disney: OF COURSE NOT, we got to think about all that moola we would miss out!

[@JohnDlugosz]

Contrast with what I saw in the "Making of" of the original: when the songwriters came up with "Do you wanna build a snow man?" everybody realized they needed to *START OVER* with the plot. Given time and playing around, a small core team of writers and songwriters would eventually hit on a great story. Starting the production in earnest when you don't even have a story is the antithesis. What did they expect?

[@EyesWillRule]

I thought that was with "Let it Go" as the Lopezes wrote Elsa as a tragic antiheroine instead of an outright cackling villain.

[@soulight6091]

After hearing that, I now have a deeper appreciation to the Animal Crossing series. Can't believe I was that toxic fan for a sec demanding things. Take your time, Nintendo Take your time, no one else does anymore.

[@mallekadalov7276]

Ha with AC they take their time and it STILL turns out disappointing

[@theextremeanimator4721]

@10KO brewster?

[@mallekadalov7276]

@@deoxtroy7556 lol yeah pocket camp is boring. To elaborate on what I said, I have a huuuuge list of quality of life changes that should be implemented to new horizons, and how it is a detriment to the game that it was released without them. I shouldn't have a massive list of things that annoy me in a game that's supposed to be relaxing. Here are a few purely off the top of my head. -streamline dialogue options (te airport most importantly) -let people hop from mystery island to mystery island instead of going home first -REMOVE or AT LEAST minimize the loading screen when someone is coming to your island, and when they are leaving. -allow more options for visitors on your island -allow people to build and destroy on your island with permission from the island owner -allow more than one pathway to be placed at once -allow people to pull materials from storage while crafting inside their home without putting the mats in their inventory first -allow customization DURING the crafting stage -allow the camera to be detached at will, like it is inside your house. -allow more than 1 Nook miles ticket to be bought at once -allow players to buy multiple colors of the same at once at the able sister's shop -More endgame content (more of a nitpick, but I digress) -allow players to trade fish. -eat multiple pieces of fruit at once -craft multiple DIYs at one time instead of individually.

[@pikosapikos13]

@@mallekadalov7276 About the loading screens and stuff, something might actually happen. You see, in Nintendo's headquarters they have been using THE SAME ONLINE SYSTEM for 20 WHOLE YEARS! That's probably the main reason why Nintendo's online survices suffer the most, compared to other companies. Recently though, they hinted in an interview that they are planning on changing and improving their online survices, probably to keep up to the expectations of modern gaming speed. If that happens, their profits will boost drastically!

[@mallekadalov7276]

@@pikosapikos13 ah that would be amazing!! I so hope you're right

[@princesssparrow4530]

Imma say it, The deleted scenes tell a better story then what we got.

[@sarahlamper5701]

Yes! Still made Anna’s song Home isn’t in the movie

[@rigatonipasta]

When I watched Frozen 2 for the first time, the ending blew me away.... for the wrong reasons. From the point Elsa froze and Olaf got Thanosed I was super into the story. I was like "Holy crap this is a really cool twist!" I thought Elsa and Olaf *died.* I was *entranced* by the idea that Disney had done such a risky and bold move. I loved Anna running from the rock giants to destroy the dam..... then the movie copped out and everyone came back to life and the kingdom didn't get destroyed and I got off my computer feeling dead inside. I was so shell shocked by how quickly I had gone from being emotionally invested in a *Frozen* movie of all things, to being slapped in the face by Disney consumerism and predictability. In hindsight I thought: Of course Elsa and Olaf wouldn't die, they're cash cows, Disney wouldn't be that brave. They wouldn't send little kids crying out of theaters. But I believed that they had been that brave. And it hurt to see that I was wrong. There was an article I read that the original ending was going to be the destruction of the kingdom and Anna becoming queen, but Disney put a gun to their heads and said no.

[@princesssparrow4530]

Shoutout to that cool proposal song and the actual arc for Kristoff

[@hunterolaughlin]

Sarah Lamper You mean “mad” not “made”.

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

@@rigatonipasta it would've been great to see Arendelle get destroyed, you know, characters ACTUALLY having to DEAL with the CONSEQUENCES of their ACTIONS! guess not huh, i guess it's best if we just make all the problems magic away by the end

[@AlmightyRager95]

The only feeling "Let it Go" gave me was the feeling of my face going through a wall.

[@Moonlight-qo5hw]

To me, it's more like giving a shock treatment for eternity.

[@matthewn1566]

To Disney: "Why do you write like you're running out of time?" Edit: Seems like more than a hundred people get the Hamilton reference.

[@andrewwhite8734]

They know....

[@jollybear_wastaken]

"Why do you write like it's going out of style?" I found a Hamilton fan!

[@yves_lover1]

I get the reference but I’ve never watched Hamilton lol

[@irok1]

@@yves_lover1 pretty sure that's most of Hamilton fans

[@EyesWillRule]

Because Iger stepped in and told the crew "no, you can't kill off Elsa, Olaf, and the castle we're building replicas of in international parks."

[@m4444rketa]

Disney really has a sweatshop that makes movies for them huh

[@thunderbird1921]

It's been this way for DECADES. Walt Disney is NOT the great friendly company so many portray them to be. Even Walt himself was said to not have a great workplace culture according to a number of former employees.

[@marshmallowallen5677]

@@thunderbird1921 considering how good the old movies are it still must’ve been better than Disney now

[@riatorex8722]

@@thunderbird1921 Yes he was a very notorious perfectionist with a rather inhumane standards. One of the stories I heard was that whenever they were making a new animation, artists would sit in this one, incredibly hot room with their shirts literally *soaked* in sweat (and tears) while Walt himself would silently loom over them, arms crossed. Then they would finish a scene, hand it over to Walt to have it "inspected", and if he liked it then they can proceed, and if he didn't then he'd throw every single sketches into the bin so they'd have to do it all over again. His studio was among the biggest factors towards the big labour strikes back in 1943

[@AbsoluteGorbSupreme]

@@thunderbird1921 I heard from an r34 comment section so I may be wrong but they said Walt burnt all the old Disney porn

[@appletart7262]

@@riatorex8722 That…. sounds entirely horrifying… holy shit

[@sleeplessstudios7626]

"..editor had to wake up everyday at 3 am just so he could get to work and finish the movie.." *Screams in film editing student*

[@chachachaos8117]

*screams in animation and visual effects student*

[@johnolmos8670]

The one scene after the test screening where they rewrote and reworked a bunch of stuff after children couldn’t follow the story was very telling. It all seemed like they had a bunch of songs and wrote a plot around it

[@Peeshart47]

Kudos to him for not only watching the movie, but also the behind the scenes before reviewing it.

[@disgustof-riley]

He made a review already dude, wdym

[@clearlynotchloe2714]

What?

[@clearlynotchloe2714]

Is nobody going to tell him? And the 200 other people?

[@philly_sports1558]

That's why I respect Schaffrillas as much as I do. I have disagreed with him on TONS of his takes on movies and shows before, but he always manages to frame his argument in a thorough way that proves that he did his research.

[@MrAlltheThingsYT]

When you realize frozen is actually the second highest grossing animated feature and the #1 Highest is a mediocre production of the lion king

[@CaptainCJ97]

"Live action"

[@MrAlltheThingsYT]

@@CaptainCJ97 not technically, there was only one live action shot. That movie technically qualifies as an animated film, which is why most lists put it at #1

[@CaptainCJ97]

@@MrAlltheThingsYT gotcha

[@Theravingranter]

This isn't adjusted for inflation of course. If that was so it is Snow White

[@MrAlltheThingsYT]

@@Theravingranter Yeah, but no one really cares for that cuz adjusted for inflation the #1 highest grossing movie is Gone with the Wind.

[@Proprietor11]

*THAT WAS THEIR MISTAKE!*

[@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735]

THAT MISTAKE WAS THEIRS

[@KEBJD]

THEIR MISTAKE WAS THAT

[@archibaldthejester42069]

THAT STEAK

[@KEBJD]

!EKATSIM RIEHT SAW TAHT

[@Jevix-xl1tx]

WAS THAT MISTAKE THEIRS

[@andrewrife6253]

I think the idea of Disney actually treating their employees and production teams with respect and human decency is more of a fantasy than the world they create in their movies

[@dubitataugustinus]

Test screenings remain a controversial issue within film studies and film-making. One of the most relevant problems with this practice is the fact that the viewers' opinions on a movie ALWAYS change after further thought! If they waited even just one day (ideally, several) before taking the viewers' opinions into account it would show a significant change in how they feel about the film.

[@kaydwessie296]

Test Screenings are another disgusting byproduct of capitalism. Good art doesn’t go for a “demographic” Good art exists as it is whether you like it or not.

[@nightynightlayla374]

Doctor Speedweed, should they try a second test screening or another review with the same people? I feel like that'll give a more accurate view of the movie.

[@dubitataugustinus]

@@nightynightlayla374 well, maybe they shouldn't have test screenings at all. Does it really work? those films that are made with the sole purpose of making money tend to be pretty mediocre imo. That said, some academic article suggested that the best situation would be to invite the viewers to watch the film and leave their phone/email, so they can be contacted and asked for their opinions later (I believe the study said a week was a reasonable time).

[@nightynightlayla374]

Doctor Speedweed, I don't really think test screenings are a bad thing if you're refine the movie the best you can. Sometimes it's hard spot flaws in your own creation. I think it's the best to find good criticism so you can make it perfect as can be. The problem with Frozen 2 is that there's a dissonance with the creators' vision vs the target audience.

[@dubitataugustinus]

@@nightynightlayla374 but how is a group of random kids more adept to criticize a film than the many professionals that work on it? There are editors for a reason. The only thing you test is your target demographic's ability to like/dislike a thing without having either time to process or the knowledge of the medium. Remember when Homer Simpson made his car the way he wanted? The product isn't better by appealing to the common denominator. The quality of a product relies on the talent and dedication of those who make it.

[@jetsurge250]

No plan or time? Sounds like the Sequel Trilogy.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Looks like ANY never PLANNED Sequel series.

[@meggy0]

Yeah - like how The Hobbit BTS showed how much everyone hated it and how Peter Jackson never wanted to make it.

[@bibblyboing]

Badum tsshhhh

[@collinmclaren6608]

"This was successful. Make more of it." - "Ok, but how? How do we continue the story? None of us really have any ideas-" "I don't know and I don't care. Just make more of it."

[@teknoed171]

You guys do know that frozen 2 was in production (or pre-production) since 2015 or 2016 right ? The directors had time, they just did a not so good job.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Story within the story, storyception. Imagine if he reviewed Kronk's New Groove

[@JH1111_]

He did at 24 Frames of Nick his channel pretty good anaylis to an incredible bad movie.

[@noodles7193]

dude i see you everywhere from mr. z to drew durnil wtf

[@jeanettecabrera9368]

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[@jeanettecabrera9368]

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[@megan9009]

My husband's takeaway from ten minutes of the Frozen documentary was that he would never want to get stuck behind Jennifer Lee at Starbucks. I have to agree. She seems like a nightmare to work with when the cameras are off. She even shot down one of the lower animator's ideas in the documentary (the one that recorded herself running in order to animate Elsa) and then immediately turned around and tried to claim the idea as her own. The responsibility falls back on her for not finalizing the story sooner and no delaying the release. The movie wasn't ready, plain and simple.