The Isle Devs did it again...

The Isle Devs did it again...:
Very recently, during one of the developer’s livestreams, the upcoming and currently work in progress camera system revamp has been revealed. This immediately caused a massive wave of controversy and debate around this sudden change to this particular part of the game, and Its reception has been overwhelmingly negative, with very few members of the community opting to wait for the change’s release before taking any conclusions (which is the best way to do it btw) and even fewer considering this as a net positive.
But what is the truth exactly? Is it really that bad? Or can this be an overreaction from the community side? That is what we are discussing today, by analysing what is being altered, its implications and ramifications to the game as a whole, so sit back, relax, and let me do the work.
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0:00 Opening topic
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15:42 Outro
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[@OwLTime]

Clearly the developers have never really played the game.. by far the worst decision in isle history.

[@Dinosaurian364]

Yup

[@1ntense796]

I'ma miss your videos when this game goes under.

[@Bread-Sliced]

I’m glad Owl has the same thoughts as I do with this new camera system.

[@Godisgood007]

Truly one of The Isle's decisions ever

[@Bread-Sliced]

@@Godisgood007 Fr

[@TheOneTruePesky]

I FUCKING LOVE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE MY DINOSAUR IN A GAME ABOUT SEEING DINOSAURS!!!!! I WANT TO BE FORCED TO LOSE HOURS OF PROGRESS BECAUSE THE DEVS LIMITED MY VISION ON A FEATURE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENT *LITERALLY* SINCE THE GAME LAUNCHED!!!!!!

[@TheBlueKio]

Mmm yes, FIRST PERSON TROODON

[@hellryker3647]

@@TheBlueKio Mmm double yes, FIRST PERSON (INSERT ANY BABY DINO HERE)

[@vraptork181]

“I’m not gonna say anything abt the camera changes other than this community post bro trust”

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

Yreah fr

[@mrpeddlethesealion]

well at-least it improves the horror factor on the isle however still absolute trash

[@joshuajohnson7848]

Get Dondi away from the stove bro. He burnt the food SOOOOO long ago.

[@lustrazor44]

But how would Dondi fix the burnt food? Does he cook more? Nope. He throws out the whole stove. That’s how Donkey fixes shit. By not addressing the problem

[@SmokingSharks]

he cant cook

[@raccon1007]

It's ashs now lmao

[@brokenjaws]

​@@lustrazor44 just back to the sketch, to the legacy, it is still possible to improve the legacy, right?

[@dizzy0002]

LMFAO

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkk]

The mass banning of anyone who gives feedback about the camera is hilarious

[@VARCHAS8]

[@Scotachi]

lmao I am guilty

[@Bagelgeuse]

Typical Dondi behavior.

[@smefour]

Pretty sure thats made up, seeing a lot of crit on the suggested changes

[@Gore-Labs]

I literally got banned today because I said if they keep adding bullshit like this they should make the game free. Because I don’t want to pay for a game that punishes me for pressing the play button.

[@lustrazor44]

Dondi really insists on always implementing the worst shit while holding up development on important aspects. I’m so glad I haven’t touched this game in over a year. I’m always checking in to see if there’s any progress but every time I come back it’s like… a new feature, new map and everything previous has been scrapped and started over again. I’m starting to hope this game just dies. He always says dumb shit like “everyone knows”. No Dondi. You’ve consistently made the worst fucking decisions then thrown a tantrum when everyone hates it. The epitome of this is basically the door is broken. How do we fix it? Knock down the whole wall.

[@charlesham9162]

I was watching some video and it was talking about how he worked on primal carnage and how he messed that up. I am pretty sure theres a point in the video where it shows Dondi admitting that hes trying to destroy games. Now with that said I would have to check the video out again to make sure. The video is called Dirty Devs: The Isle Game and the Not So Dandy Dond and the time is 22:05ishi if you want to check it out.

[@lustrazor44]

@@charlesham9162yea I’ve seen that. That guy makes good content. This game may actually just be a tax scam at this point. Do minimal work to write it off on his taxes.

[@NFLDJOBBER]

Im doing the same fucking thing. just waiting for this game to get better before I play

[@Dracovenatrix]

The isle would do way better if dondi wasn’t in charge or even on the dev team

[@healthyseal]

The everyone knows is a typical trait to someone that knows he is doing something bad and deseperatly tries to convince himself that everyone agrees with it, by creating the false positive feedback he encourages himself into thinking only a minority of people will disagree. That just proves the fact that the guy is delusional and deep down knows that he is doing shit, but will never admit it.

[@Theriandspinofan001]

You know its a Shit decision when Zaguer gets THIS mad

[@chaipanzu]

bro even swore thats rare

[@nonerdsherexx]

Mad respect honestly what was Dondi thinking??

[@nvender9062]

I'm so glad he didn't try and be polite about it either. It's a shit idea and Dondi is so far up his own ass that he somehow found himself in Narnia. I just hope that the new camera angles will just be something severs can decide to use or not.

[@PARADONIXX]

@@nvender9062 THAT HE SOMEHOW FOUND HIMSELF IN NARNIA LMFAOOO my god that is so fucking real and true and I seriously hope that this will be an optional thing as well. It better fucking be if they try to implement these new camera angles cus good fucking god this is the most shit decision ever thought of by Dondi.

[@nvender9062]

@@PARADONIXX The devs have in my opinion struck gold with this game. But they believe since they know how to make a game, they feel entitled to act all high and mighty. Everything is at the palms of their hands. All they have to do is remove their heads out their Butts.

[@alexarias4099]

Next up Dondi will be removing the entire visual aspect of the game, from now on The Isle will be a text based rpg where you have to type out your character’s movements and attacks in a turn based system and every 5 minutes you’ll have to play a randomly selected minigame and if you fail it your dinosaur will have a heart attack and die making you loose your progress. Humans will not have to worry about this because they’ll get a first person POV, however to keep immersion you’ll have to take periodic breaks from surviving to check your phone to watch skibidi toilet sigma edits on Tik Tok or else your human will get depression and begin to develop a dinosaur survival game to fill that void in their life that will culminate with your human making agonizingly boring development streams and bullying people on discord servers

[@GlobalWarmingDragon]

You don't understand we need the skibidi sigma ohio rizz digital mewing

[@thecactus1161]

The human part sounds oddly like my life right now.

[@nitrumlegal7470]

the human gamepley is gonna be peak

[@notaburai5930]

underrated ass comment

[@ranisan5123]

LMFAO THIS COMMENT IS GOLDEN

[@anntan9913]

The Isle is more obsessed with immersion that they forget they're making a GAME. They're making an interactive documentary you can walk through as a dinosaur, and then go 'oh yeah, we need some interactive things.'

[@Dinoman9877]

What immersion? They keep giving herbivores hyper-asthma so the only option is to fight, then making the herbivores pushovers, or forcing carnivores to cannibalize because of the incomplete ecosystem, or adding dinosaurs in the entirely wrong order (stego and deino shouldn't have even been a THOUGHT yet) and making growth which already took too long across the board take EVEN LONGER. Dondi is simply making the most unfun game in history because that's apparently the type of game he enjoys, and everyone else is just along to suffer.

[@tipykip]

i like you and your comment very good keep it up

[@brianaburch9854]

The isle is obsessed with realism. Realism =/= immersion. In fact, this level of, your dino should only be able to see so much realism is hurting immersion.

[@icebergthedragon]

I think that’s part of why I don’t want to play the isle: the realism is extremely inconstant. Many of the dinosaur designs are 30 years out of date even beyond featherlessness in raptors (their hands are pronated which is also incorrect, they chose to include Biep with that bizarre colour scheme and sleek integument when it’s one of the only dinosaurs with pigment analysis on its shaggy emu-like feathers, etc). To me, that design communication completely defeats the purpose of the realism. But I’m also someone who cares a lot about paleontology and the consequences of popular media on the field. That and just… not wanting to give money to someone like Dondi.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

this wont even make it immersive, herbivores have a wider sight because they have the eyes on the sides, so the herbivore gameplay is less realistic thus immersive

[@the3647]

"allosaurus had never seen such bullcrap before"

[@user.14469]

Correction : Allosaurus won't even be able to see this bullshit

[@thejaiganticbridge5479]

Allosaurus will never see such bullcrap again, becausr Allosaurus will never see again

[@eowlet2945]

@@user.14469😂😂😂

[@jackstod]

If all dondi idea come through then perhaps the allo shouldn't see all this bs.

[@Nickboay]

LOLL@@user.14469

[@Nightmarefungus]

It’s gonna be a blast playing as a Styracosaurus and having to see through the bars of a prison cell in a game that hides steep cliffs behind dense foliage.

[@supremerevenant7699]

and ykw the craziest shit is? THEN THEY GOTTA WASTE MORE TIME AND MORE RESOURCES MAKING GUESS WHAT???? ANOTHER MAP.

[@thelionoob]

ooh boy I can't wait to play as a small dino and have a wonderful "looking at grass simulator" experience. You can already barely see shit when your dino is smaller than the never ending grass, I can't imagine how bad this is gonna be

[@slipspacesurvivalist9416]

@@thelionoob This. This right here. This new camera system will make the game **actually** unplayable from a mechanical standpoint. Everyone starts as a baby in the grass. It's impossible enough to see as a fresh spawn troodon, this is going to compound this issue so badly... And can you imagine tree cling as herrera? Jesus, I don't get motion sickness, but I know a lot of people who do, and this whole decision is going to be an exercise in how to reject an entire bulk of playerbase.

[@getSkrunk]

dondi: this camera is way too much!! **shows completely normal fov for a survival game**

[@FelidaeEnjoyer]

Dondi: And everyone should agree with me here! **833 likes, 20 dislikes**

[@damnationdaniel4726]

You WILL like the new system! You WILL hate the much better older camera system!

[@brianaburch9854]

@@FelidaeEnjoyer Actually, the feedback on this in the discord is overwhelmingly negative. I've seen three people out of hundreds saying they think they'll like it. The rest are all saying its a stupid choice that will negatively impact playability. At least a couple dozen have said that they and their friends will no longer play if they can't even see their own dinos or that they will no longer be able to play due to motion sickness and will literally be forced to quit.

[@FelidaeEnjoyer]

@@brianaburch9854 No, as in this video complaining about it has 833 likes and 20 dislikes, I completely agree it's a bad choice I don't usually have problems with motion sickness, but 40 minutes of jiggly dinosaur nape shots and I will click off

[@brianaburch9854]

Ooooh I see. I misunderstood. I thought you were poking at the dondi fan group xD@@FelidaeEnjoyer

[@user-wf6fg8uy8k]

If this gets added, after 6 year’s of playing this game, I’ll have to quit lmao, Dondi is destroying his own game, and will just ignore the community as usual.

[@Spetsula]

This has got be one of the most stupid changes In the isle I’ve ever seen, at this point the Isle dev’s are giving away all their player’s to path of titans. 😂

[@farinay9994]

​@@Spetsulaexactly I was kind hesitant on rather to buy path or isle , I almost wanted to buy the isle yesterday but yeah saw posts about camera rework and on the other hand path is again doing some remodeling dinos and stuff and now I probably just go with path

[@SATANFUCKSMYSOUL]

Same, I feel like ive been through the thick and thin of this game nearly since launch but if they implement this im NOT playing anymore until its removed.

[@wipeout1445]

same dude, ive played for so long and ill just quit like that, bam, gone.

[@AZNO2]

@@farinay9994 get path of titans you wont regret it

[@kendrickcrawfordjr6165]

"nobody likes this" dondi says after looking at feedback and seeing the same 3 people defending him against the entire discord server:

[@GORILLAPAZZO05]

mr. cerato (defiler niche) reference?

[@brianaburch9854]

Literally only three people xD

[@NateL1992]

​​@@GORILLAPAZZO05 I hate how stupid he is, all he does is simp for the devs 😂 Who are the other two? I think I could guess 🤣🤣

[@Dark_Anarchus]

Correction : Dondi did it again...

[@akospozsgai1706]

dondi is not one of the devs?

[@Dark_Anarchus]

@@akospozsgai1706 have you heard any other devs saying that they like this change? They have been pretty silent imo

[@Smratboy]

@@Dark_Anarchus The other devs have made plenty of terrible changes and stuck by them even in the face of players giving reasonable feedback.

[@tunaozturk2639]

isle devs in general just not good at making decisions we all know that the living breathing proof is tere in steam XD

[@Dark_Anarchus]

@@tunaozturk2639 yeah lol

[@Mirichei]

The best way to describe the Isle is this: Imagine a person, one with incredible potential, but they're constantly stabbing themselves in the chest and slowly dying of blood loss. That is The isle in a nutshell, and it WILL die if Dondi keeps insisting that his game remains unfun for practically everyone. A future where PoT rises to the top and the isle is left with a few hundred or less players is very possible at this point and I do not want this game to sink to such a low

[@Dracovenatrix]

Im pretty sure pot is already on top

[@Mirichei]

@@Dracovenatrix Oh know, but I mean it being the first game like this to receive more public recognition, despite not even being the game that started the sub-genre.

[@PestilentAllosaurus]

Yeah. We'd basically have PoT and Beasts of Bermuda at that point.

[@DJ-fb9cf]

@@PestilentAllosaurus It would... actually be kind of sad to see The Isle fall Despite all the shit me and a bunch of others give it (I've barely touched it, I'm a Path boy), it is still one of THE big three in a genre that lacks in titles. We don't need to lose any playable dino games, not even ones in a bad states.

[@ghostrecce4463]

I sometimes wonder if Matt and Jiggy saw this in Dandi and the some of the other Isle Devs and decided to split to create PoT.

[@thedinosaurman2506]

There's no way dondi can actually be this stupid he has to be pretending

[@doomcurse1986]

me and a friend have a joke conspiracy theory that the devs are rolling out these horrible changes in order to slowly push away their playerbase to the point the game dies so they can stop working on it. "nobody plays the game anymore, guess we can make that dragon game now"

[@VARCHAS8]

@@doomcurse1986 😂😂

[@lhamaseveramenteirritada9760]

​@@doomcurse1986 "This, is Elon Musk..."

[@kitkat5596]

I wouldnt be surprised at this point seeing how Dondi not to long ago was going on and on about how he wants to make a entirely different game at this point and that's he's only working on The isle at this point because he's already in deep with its progress. The man is slowly scheming his way out of having to work on this game and slipping away like a fart on the wind to work on something else...Just like he did with Primal carnage extinction when he was a Dev of that.

[@BlinkingTwin]

He is that stupid but this is what tends to happen when you surround yourself with yes men

[@Melosyna]

It's almost comical at this point how the devs always randomly come up with the worst ideas ever that nobody asked for, instead of fixing the known issues.

[@BeyonderGod]

That's Dondi for ya

[@hotpotato481]

To put it simply, if i was looking for a dinosaur simulation game, and realized the POV was only my dino's head and shoulders, I'd immediately click away and go look at another game without a blink of an eye.

[@juliaespinoza8936]

"you know what makes this dinosaurs unbalance....... "the camera ⭐📸" Shit made me laugh XD

[@spikelee5716]

Dude thinks hes the most smart guy on earth

[@beezaluv]

Is the dev team just like dumb?

[@1ntense796]

Yes. Very much so.

[@Sarah_H]

Yep. And I seriously doubt that any of them have taken an actual game development course either, tbh

[@SirKolass]

Dondi is, and the devs know very well there's no arguing with him.

[@payita6931]

At this point... They are or they are pretending to be Don't know which one is worse lol

[@juicyjuice3095]

as a day one player... id say yes...

[@Eko_Ghostie]

"You want to play a dino sim?" Hell ya! "Cool, but you don't actually get to see your dino." Tf... whats the point in skin customization or playing a game *to be a dinosaur* and never getting to see those aspects???

[@supremerevenant7699]

because eko, you're bored and you have nothing to do!! you're a dinosaur you're supposed to not see yourself 360!! 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀

[@greproduction6242]

@@supremerevenant7699 It's a game first and foremost, he's right, what's the point of getting a skin only to see nothing? We won't even be able to see our dinosaur's animation... it's stupid!

[@paxlash]

My theory is that dondi is DESPERATELY trying to kill the game, but can’t just delete it or ruin it (for unknown reasons). So he’s making constant subtle-ish bad decisions to kill the game without causing suspicion.

[@shahinarahaque2071]

Rip an already busted game...

[@zoraac4678]

Why tho bro 😭

[@davidhernandezdominguez5568]

Yo, do you mind saying a little about it? I'm curious about why he would want to kill one of the most popular dinosaur games ever, no sarcasm.

[@1ntense796]

He doesn't want to develop the isle he wants to develop Jurassic park the game.

[@dtbrex08]

Idk why he would do that lol, I agree this will probably be a really bad change but it’s probably just him not completely thinking it through and trying a really bad route to increase immersion

[@seanpellerin5703]

I don't think I have ever heard an isle player say "I wish I could see less, have a smaller field of view and no idea where the back half of my body extends to". jesus christ dondi. This is like 10 times worse than the camera lock while eating and drinking. and that was a bad fix since every real animal is constantly looking around while feeding and drinking because that is when they are most vulnerable as a stationary target. I got to say him defining being able to see around your body as "not fun" is the icing on the cake, unfortunately the cake is rotting in a dumpster.... Cant wait to fall off ten million more cliffs than the 10 million I already fall off. thanks dondi. EDIT: THEY ARE BACKPEDDLING SO HARD IN THE DISCORD LMAOOOOOO I just saw the screenshots in the most recent Isle News Update video. Its wild how they dodged around just making an announcement and resolving the vast majority of the "misunderstanding".

[@spingebill8484]

Nah if they actually implement this mechanic, I hope everyone stop playing so that the devs realize what they’ve done

[@ani-ma-tion5326]

@@spingebill8484We should honestly just boycott the game, maybe then they’ll get some common sense struck through that thick skull of theirs.

[@WujekFoliarz]

"Dinosaur would NOT be able to look like that, at its tail!!" Placement of eyes on herbivores:

[@FrostBytePlayz7]

Does this man know anything about biology?! Birds, a dinosaurs closest living relative, can bend their necks and spines to preen their tails with very little to no effort whatsoever, as well as animals such as cows and horses (which occupy the same ecological niche as a Trike or Para would) having an extremely wide range of vision. Hell, chickens can preen their tails so why the heck would being able to see their own tail be considered "not realistic?!" ...thank you for reading my Biology rant

[@rowdy5453]

Why can't they just put more dinos out? It's like they're always getting sidetracked on some random ass mechanics.

[@afunnytheropod]

That would be the thing the community wants and we can't do that

[@The_Primitive]

because that's exactly what they did in Legacy, and then after adding so many dinos, they couldn't add new mechanics because it would break the entire game and it would take a very long time to add anything new that's why Evrima exists. They are going to add the base mechanics first and then the dinos, so it doesn't end up like Legacy

[@rocky_4003]

New dinosaurs will not fix the game. Performance and mechanics need to be polished before they dump more playables in.

[@Alyssaaaaaaaaaaaa]

True

[@VeryFamousActor]

​@@rocky_4003It was the terrible coding that killed legacy, not an abundance of content

[@colinrogers9896]

Honestly when I saw this I just fucking laughed thinking it was a joke, then saw OH NO, they are being serious. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY ON!? Did they learn NOTHING from the complainants of the camera lock with eating and drinking!? Like Jesus Christ it feels like they are TRYING to screw over their own game. THIS is the exact reason why I left the isle

[@juicyjuice3095]

and why you only see new players mainly, us old school/ day one players, are just about gone... and if you are an old school / day one player like me, you will not be surprised by this at all.. To put it another way, we should be getting expansion packs by now, not a game thats only 40% complete..

[@spikelee5716]

All i have to say is this... 10 years and the game is still BETA@@juicyjuice3095

[@tactical_ghost199]

I’ve never seen X zaguer this mad 😭 but I totally agree

[@Fenpai]

16:34 Lool, next update, actively need to press F every 5 seconds to breath, or your dino will die from forgeting to breath 🤣 🤣🤣🤣

[@lnon4361]

this is gonna be the best april fools prank i hope....

[@CosmicPotato740]

I hope so too…….

[@slipspacesurvivalist9416]

"I'm making an amazing dinosaur survival game with beautiful graphics, custom skins, and a camera system that lets you see none of that." "Hahah, that's a good one. Just in time for April Fools, right?" **Dondi smile...** "...For April Fools, right?"

[@xemiii]

Edit: well this struck a nerve lol I do not understand Dondi's insistence that being able to see anything at all is a bad thing. Nighttime is already pitch black (even for the few creatures that have good night vision), foliage often entirely obstructs your view unless you're in an open field, and eating/drinking basically removes your ability to turn the camera at all. This also further invalidates prior development time. Why bother with animating the player? It will just waste performance efficiency (like the game needs help running worse). Why allow customization of skins if you can't see it? All animations where the head moves at all will throw off your focus, so will all major animations keep the head level (which would look awkward) or just not bother and give the player motion sickness? The funniest shit is that all of his points don't mean shit. Beasts of Bermuda proves that having a wide fov still leaves blind spots and the player has to be vigilant. There hasn't been a looking up problem in this game either since if you hold alt the camera changes position and places it near your head (sound familiar?), which is a change I don't entirely like bc looking up was mechanically helpful to avoid drowning or to bite flying enemies. The gall of Dondi is astounding. "Are you implying there is nothing to do in our game besides look at the dinosaurs?" YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! The game ACTIVELY disincentives you from doing practically ANYTHING!!! Don't drink water because you can instantly die, don't eat food for food's sake because it'll mess with your stats, don't run or attack whenever you want because you'll be out of stamina for actual minutes, don't go out at night because it is impossible to do anything, don't go to entire parts of the map bc there are no resources (which also causes other players to avoid the spot too), and don't ever make a single mistake because if you do you'll lose HOURS of progress with absolutely nothing to show. It's like the notion of basic game design is wholly foreign to these developers, I swear to god. They don't even understand the appeal of this genre; social interaction. Servers have small populations, sandbox mode (the ability to have a casual session, free from the game's stress for just a bit) was removed years ago, the maps make finding other players a chore, and there's not even a global chat to give the notion that there is anyone else on the game. I don't care about the "gritty realism," the blood and gore and making the player feel powerless. I came here because playing as a dinosaur is still a novel concept in the entirety of gaming, and this was one of the few places, THE place for the longest time, to do just that. It is a tragedy that the innovator of an entire genre has continually made the worst possible decision at every turn. The Isle was a game I liked playing, but I knew there was something missing. Even with Beasts of Bermuda, a game that has outdone The Isle in almost any way, that feeling still persists. I want a game in this genre that I can whole-heartedly recommend to peers and that I can call a truly good game. I really thought that The Isle could be that game someday, but even the tiniest shred of that naïveté has died. The Isle used to be neat, a new way to play a game and allow players to take the fun of playing with a sandbox of dinosaurs into a digital setting, but now it will forever be the game that, instead of heading to the finish line, turned around and ran the complete opposite way.

[@atroxozaur]

Damn, nothing to add bro, i feel you and agree 100%. It's sad how despite having one of best teams in terms of animators, 3d modelers etc, because of the stupid and childish devs, is going down. I feel sorry for the game, and for amazing animators that put life into each movement, each skin variant and growth system, only for the Head master go out and ruin it all.

[@nonerdsherexx]

You said that perfectly I am speechless. 💔

[@toeeater199]

Stop right there criminal scum, spittin so many facts is illegal! jokes aside tho, you're completely right. i give up on this game, its been 9 FUCKIN YEARS, and the game is either frozen in development hell or walking backwards. i'll just play POT, while it is far from a perfect game, it at least moves foward.

[@juicyjuice3095]

as a day one player, changes like this is not surprising at all..

[@charlethemagne5466]

Yep exactly. I'm an old school player and I pretty much quit after evrima, couldn't take the bullshit anymore.

[@wintersal449]

"Our players really disliked the new stamina system. How can we one up that?"

[@graceellis5731]

If only there was a community telling you what they wanted implemented in the game so it could thrive and maybe more people would play…oh wait

[@Sykemania]

I like how Dondi talks like everyone agrees with him as if he isn’t yappin’ to a wall rn

[@atreus2325]

What's the point of dinosaur customization when you won't be able to see it.

[@LnmHive]

Not only the customization, but to see the dino itself moving around, I bet many people will stop playing because of this camera change

[@blackcat2333]

what's the point of dinosaurs PERIOD if you can't look at them anymore

[@GustafUNL]

If they fix the looking up "problem" you won't be able to use the camera to look at smol babas on the ground up close anymore. So that's also an L.

[@jacobhealy8376]

bro im giving up on this game

[@colinrogers9896]

Why you think I left?

[@spikelee5716]

same @@colinrogers9896

[@unapeppina4824]

Everything about this mechanic feels petty. As if it solely exists because Dondi sucks at playing his own game but, also refuses to admit the stegosaurus was added too early.

[@hazefox1111]

No seriously though!!!! They really should have focused on the smaller tiers first- or go about it the way their first version went about it and only have apexes for a little bit!

[@alexs29]

To be frank, deino and carno were added in too early as well.

[@hazefox1111]

@@alexs29 heavy agree, I really think they should have picked one of the two extremes or stayed strictly on the middle tiers rather than whatever they are doing rn

[@bradybunch3163]

Bro trying to give path of titans there players

[@No_name8374]

Man path dosent even have to try at this point the isle is just running themselves into the ground xd

[@iguanobro9925]

@@No_name8374 i have enjoyed PoT a LOT more than The Isle, VERY well deserved extra points for running smootly and almost having zero lag (for me)

[@SirKolass]

Definitely not an alternative, PoT is some weirdass dinosaur mmorpg.

[@CHAD_REX_]

​@@SirKolassI beg your pardon...

[@salahuddinshabir8804]

Your saying that bc you haven't tried it

[@attichen4749]

Wait, wait, wait!! I'm pretty sure Dondi just proved himself a hypocrite again. Does anyone else remember a few months back when we got some of the first rex footage and info on humans? Well, if you do, then you'll remember his rant on why HE'LL NEVER MAKE THE GAME FIRST PERSON! So that we can see over bushes and ambush humans! What happened?! We went from that to a worse version of it in the span of like a month! This team really is something else

[@RoulicisThe]

If THAT was what it took for you to realise Dondi's an hypocrite you've been living under a rock for the past 5 years xD

[@goldengecko3901]

@@RoulicisThe You should read the dude's comment AGAIN, because he's says AGAIN, which means he was already aware, which also means your comment was a bit pointless. Wee Woo

[@SuprememeCeratosaurus]

THIS!! I literally recalled that event when he was a rex in a bush and talking about how cool it was.. but I guess he retracts that statement noe

[@juicyjuice3095]

well to us old school / day one players, this is nothing new and NOT surprising in the least..

[@RoulicisThe]

@@juicyjuice3095 I'm honestly surprised some of the "day one" players are still in TI after all the shit it's devs pulled over the years. I had enough of it 4 years ago >

[@grgursg-1426]

If they want to really make the game more immersive why are they disregarding music and ambience? Nobody uses music because the combat tune is so obnoxiously loud and it activates even if a compy bites you which totally makes you vulnerable cause you can't hear anything else, such a stupid idea. And why, after so many years of evrima did they still not add a night ambience? It's such an easy thing to add and it would make the game so much more "immersive". The vibe of legacy was so dark and mysterious ( which made me fall in love with the game in the first place) and evrima has none of that...

[@Meathead_Dm]

The drop of all pretense and just going "they. are fucking. stupid." had me crying 😭 But for real though I have never, and I mean NEVER, seen such a unanimous agreement in this community over a change in an existing feature like this one. It is genuinely mind boggling how Dondi, and the other devs to some extent, really conceptualized this idea and said "yeah, this is something that'll address balance issues" and not... idk ACTUALLY ADJUSTING THINGS ABOUT STEGO THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT SINCE ITS RELEASE??? People have been saying for the longest time that Stego was released way too early for this roster and there are things that can be changed to make it more balanced, but nah its the "cAmErA" that's the issue. This idea on its face just sounds like it came from someone who doesn't play the game and the fact it was DONDI of all people makes this depressingly funny. It's also funny considering that people HAVE wanted changes to the camera so when they're playing troodon, or something of an equivalent size, they can actually SEE where they're going. At least they plan to make the grass transparent for those animals which is a good change but the rest did not need to happen at all

[@Sarah_H]

Dondi's salty that people were able to hide so well from him when he went on one of his Hyperendocrin rampages, because they could actually see it coming. That's the only reason I can think of, and even THAT'S flimsy because he has mod powers and can see player nametags

[@spikelee5716]

Thats the most important thing, its crazy how they came up with such idea, its like they dont even know their own game, and thats what everyone is starting to think.

[@tyrannossenpai]

I have been playing The Isle for a relatively short time and I haven’t questioned the devs decisions until this point. This is literally the worst possible thing they could’ve done to the game and this is probably what will ultimately lead me to stop playing it altogether, which is a heartbreaking thing for me to think about after having such high hopes for the game. Honestly I pray that the community will rise up and make a stand against this new camera before it even reaches the general public, especially the play testers when they get the update before everyone else. It’s a tragedy to me personally, and until this is resolved I will retire from The Isle. There are other dinosaur games for me to play than just this.

[@nonerdsherexx]

I grew up on this game and quit shortly after gateway, I am tired. They keep adding features that cause more harm than good. Maybe it was fun while it lasted?

[@payita6931]

I love ur Kaeya pfp​@@nonerdsherexx

[@mothseemstobedying5010]

they keep banning anyone who gives feedback about the change so i doubt it'll get scrapped

[@juicyjuice3095]

as a day one player, your are blessed to not have seen the BS that us old school players have lived thru..

[@tyrannossenpai]

@@juicyjuice3095 Well, more accurately I’ve known about The Isle because of people like TheGamingBeaver. It was only a year after EVRIMA launched when I got a pc that could run the game. I’m pretty much aware of the things the devs have said and done.

[@rylandfrederick431]

The thing is that makes me the most upset is that you can already zoom your camera in. You already have the ability to make blimd spots if you choose to, its literally a pointless addition. Also when im playing games like this and i need to get an ambush i always wait for the dinos head to look the opposite way, because i know it creates a blindspot just like you said. I can get a perfectly fine ambush despite the camera, dondi is just batshit insane and has no idea what hes doing

[@karenboy1005]

This is actually pretty cool, they finally realized that Stego is unbalanced and op. Awesome! Two small issues though: 1. They're 3 years too late 2. They're opting to make the Stego blind to counteract it instead of just adjusting its stats.

[@spikelee5716]

not 3, 9 years too late

[@PlayAssist-tw7en]

@@spikelee5716 yea some ppl think this game is 3yrs old xD

[@iguanobro9925]

The Isle devs not trying to screw-up teir already screwed-up game challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[@misakiki8344]

LMAO the ending, honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if they implemented manual breathing

[@yeahok8259]

Bahahahaha

[@huntercerny]

The sad thing is the more the loyal fan base says this is bad and asks the devs to please not, Dondi will double down.

[@karenboy1005]

"waiting until it's released to make a conclusion" is not the best thing to do in this case. As players, we should have principles and standards, there are some things that we just know for a fact we wouldn't enjoy, and this camera system is one of those things. Not everything needs to be thoroughly tested and gather feedback for us to know it would be terrible, some things are just obviously flawed from a conceptual standpoint. Making Deinosuchus run at 50 km/h is obviously a bad idea, we don't need months of testing to make sure it's a bad idea. Same thing with the camera system. The camera system has been the same for almost 8 years at this point, you can't just completely change the entire game overnight and expect people to be like "yeah we'll wait until it's actually here to judge."

[@Freshypotjohns]

Haven’t even played the game since the ervima launch and Im pissed about this decision😂

[@spikelee5716]

Youre not losing much dont worry, its more about frustration and rage than having a good time and fun. Nothing like Legacy

[@Bread-Sliced]

And how TF would deinos be able to ambush!?

[@ITakeItGood]

This would be worse on deinos than the stam changes on ptera.

[@Laurton]

​@ITakeItGood I basically got called special needs almost by the devs and their fangirls because I said the Stan changes suck. Their best argument was skill issue. I guess I am just a bad player for wanting the chill playable to be chill and not feel like a slightly better chicken.

[@ani-ma-tion5326]

@@Laurtonthe Devs are incredibly unprofessional in every way

[@IceBerg1620]

The Isle Devs were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should

[@enfieldlammergeier]

If you’ve been on Reddit, people have been complaining about being mass banned from Discord for politely stating their opinion that they did not like the camera changes. This is actually insane behavior from the devs, considering this implementation will be game-killing. Can’t wait till they implement this change, half the people will leave the game and even the bootlickers will complain about it, so they have to return back to the 3rd person option.

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

fr

[@spikelee5716]

I bet not even 1 of those people who got banned is gonna stop playing the game.

[@enfieldlammergeier]

@@spikelee5716 I absolutely will if the camera changes are implemented.

[@WinterroSP]

Allosaurus cannot see the bullshit anymore

[@bereketkibrom9716]

Allosaurus feels the bullshit

[@BirboBirbums]

It's really funny because a few years ago, Dondi literally said on stream that first person dino view was a stupid idea, when a player suggested it. It's already hard enough to hunt with the new speeds everything is at currently, nevermind with a narrowed view. Nice to see him sinking the game even more! If they make this change I will definitely be dropping the game.

[@noble64115]

Every update makes the legacy better

[@CanadianKomodo]

That’s so rough. I thought it might get better in a few years, but it looks like the Isle is doing a suicide speedrun. Not touching it with a ten foot pole now. Don’t know what possessed them to make these changes.

[@emselurniak]

I appreciate the Mechanicus music, but even the Omnissiah cannot reduce my bafflement at this change.

[@wolftalon9129]

how can anyone see this as a good decision

[@NM-ue8on]

Those people that say “ ItS ReALiStIc” 😂

[@nighthawkalpha5707]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they made the guns jam as a mechanic in the game cuz “ReLiSm”

[@FelidaeEnjoyer]

@@nighthawkalpha5707 Gun jamming would be fine, as long as it's not a completely random chance and caused by crawling in mud or walking with it equipped in a sandstorm etc, then we'd have our skill ceiling AND eat it!

[@FelidaeEnjoyer]

@@nighthawkalpha5707 Gun jamming would be fine, as long as it's not a completely random chance and caused by crawling in mud or walking with it equipped in a sandstorm etc, then we'd have our skill ceiling AND eat it!

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

@@nighthawkalpha5707 Worked in the STALKER game didn't it? Not the best example.

[@DodoTacticsGaming]

I am generally not the brightest bulb in the concept of development. But I like seeing my dinosaur and the skin that I make. Though for seeing attacks, I am indeed concerned about rear attackers such as stego and Teno. I like the idea of fixing camera look up, and maybe improvement to choose where the camera is. But pin holing into one, very different thing that many people are used to. Definitely not enthused from the concern being spread atm. (oh, just saw final clip of just liking my skin and looking at the graphics, kinda a bit rude).

[@Cryo-skull]

The way I see it, they should’ve made it an optional mechanic. I’d imagine no one would be that angry or disappointed if they just made it something to customise the experience. Sure, there will be backlash because of development time wasted on a commonly viewed terrible mechanic, but the players wouldn’t be critical because of it. If it IS going to be the replacement, then there’s going to be an outcry about it, even if it was doable or good. The fact that many (objectively) see its flaws, is the final nail in the coffin. And as the old saying goes, “if it isn’t broken, DON’T, FIX, IT!”

[@spikelee5716]

This is stupid from every angle, we already can zoom in and zoom out like we want, the guy is just trying to make everyone pissed with this shit. That or hes just plain stupid.

[@LiterallyGoku.]

And funny enough kissen tried to say “its like 50 people come into a restaurant and demanded they made bbq, when the restaurant had no bbq”, like bitch please its like nacho fries, you had it on the menu and no one wants you to remove it because they taste amazing.

[@sitharixaos1217]

Were you expecting intelligence or good quality from Dondi? They've been doing everything in their power to make The Isle universally unfun for everyone who touches it. They find a scrap of fun and shit all over it. "Whats that? People are only playing this game for dino combat and don't want to fight as juvis so they sit afk in a bush for 6 hours? They're asking for us to fix the problem of non-adult stages not being fun? They're playing the game wrong and deserve to be punished for it."

[@spikelee5716]

The guy is insane

[@SLYP1EPLUSH]

For the love of god it’s a video game. They’re trying to make this actual animal simulator.

[@stopiminmyroom4890]

springtarp

[@PettyPolite]

SPIT, POET!! Preaching to the choir, unfortunately, since Dondi lives in an echo chamber of his own farts.

[@juicyjuice3095]

yep, why 97% of the day one and old school player base is gone and its all new players now, because us day one / old school players have lived with this to many times in the past, we have seen one BS idea after another.. this camera change is not surprising at all...

[@ss1109]

"This is too much" while using the fucking editor camera zoom. Like they must not really play their game at all.

[@Khanware]

Thing is, a zoomed out 3rd person camera makes up for the fact that the player is limited in other natural senses that the real creatures would have had. I don’t play The Isle (I play PoT, could go on a rant for years about those devs lol), but in PoT, the 3rd person camera helps compensate for the fact that we don’t have a sense of smell, really good directional hearing, 6th sense, etc. All we have to rely on are visuals and meh audio. Tightening the camera might make you miss the player hiding nearby or stalking up behind you, but a real dino would have a much better chance of sensing the danger with other senses than we would with a tightened camera and no additional senses. Large 3rd person cameras make up for that sort of thing

[@ToxicMonkey705]

Yea just make stegos swing slightly slower. When humans come out this camera system will kill the game. Bc humans can easily sneak up to an animal and blow its head off and theres no way ur defending yourself. Especially when there was a stream where dondi said dinosaurs have to have a severe camera advantage with third person to actually counter humans with their first person view.

[@adriannn1180]

ikr, that was a week-2 weeks ago, idk what happened after the stream, that they suddenly needed to change the camera system....

[@dtbrex08]

I dont think 1rst person vs 3rd person will change guns that much, guns will be EXTREMELY rare and even in 3rd person if a human has a gun it’s probably gonna blow your head off lol, and that’s probably exactly WHY hes changing the cameras, because like you said, 3rd person dinos have a major advantage compared to 1rst person humans. I agree this is a bad change. Just not in the context you compared it to lol.

[@lustrazor44]

“This dinosaur is broken. It attacks too fast and does too much damage. I know! Let’s change the entire camera system for all dinosaurs!” Lmao this guys such a tink

[@vladline1882]

What if they should provide options in camera? Old view and new. Both should be in game to choose. A choice of preference. A small compromise for both. Rex should have a sniper view adjustable

[@itoyokocho.mp4]

its a mass red flag when he said about the thing we never really asked for "this is not fun, let me do this for you instead" really signals they don't really listen to the community what we really want for the game

[@diogod2347]

They're DONATING players to PoT and BoB what in the actual fuck is Dondi doing, you can't actually be *this* stupid while developing a game, right? He's just trolling right?

[@alexs29]

At this point, it seems like he's intentionally trying to kill the game off.

[@CatalystRaptor]

I got banned for "ragebait" because I said "dondi's trying to kill his game atp". This man and his game are nothing but a fucking joke lmao

[@bruhblint6890]

Me watching devs making this game more and more unplayable like 😭

[@RPGTKingpin]

The hilarious thing is that Dondi doesn't seem to realise that the existing camera system plays an important role in compensating for the lack of other senses that cannot be implemented through a strictly audiovisual medium. sensory cues using the other three senses cannot be implemented. Hell, even scent isn't sufficiently implemented to reflect reality. The camera compensates for these things. But this change denies the players that information.

[@Mrv33ee]

Been with the isle since progression. It's so sad to see how far the isle has fell from grace. If they add this new camera mechanic i might as well buy path of titans where the devs make better decisions than 4 year olds unlike dondi

[@Noir6472]

I’ve been playing path of titans so much more than the isle and I haven’t touched the isle since they stared Evirma development and holy hell, path of titans puts out more content than The isle and it’s so sad to see The isle fall so far from where it came from years ago.

[@Evergreen_Wizard]

Go for it. PoT has wonderful community servers with tons of modded content and passive growth like in The Isle.

[@SqualingtonConstantine]

Really not looking forward to dino fights if they go through with this change. I can already feel the motion sickness while quickly looking around yourself during combat. It's gonna be so annoying to line up and time attacks, especially with dinos that use their tails. The only playable species that actually needs a limited field of view are the ones that attack with projectiles/guns IE humans.

[@haphazard4944]

It's so annoying how in order to demonstrate how "bad" the current camera is, he shows it being zoomed out WAY further away then you can in the public build.

[@No_name8374]

Damn I guess I’m not surprised dondi would stoop so low as propaganda now xd

[@raccon1007]

I honestly dont know how the dev can look at the isle with all the bugs and other random bs instead of fixing all the issues and making the isle a better game and they come up with possibly one of the most stupid ideas yet i dont know how these ppl keep out doing themselves with stupidity

[@Steelexxe]

balancing issues, god awful performance because of god awful optimization, horrible bugs... and they keep breaking it with intended features before fixing the unintended.

[@iwillhaveyourorder5174]

dondi always acts like he doesn't understand why people are always mad at him yet he keeps doing shit like this. he is by far the worst and most unprofessional dev I've ever seen. Idk how ppl still kiss his ass even though he talks shit about literally anything that breaths the same air as him.

[@juicyjuice3095]

exactly.. and to us day one / old school players... we should be seeing/ getting expansion packs by now, not a game that's only 40% complete, then again to us old school / day one players.. this is nothing new and not surprising at all..

[@Sim6dot9]

just got banned for criticizing this in the discord lol. "Toxicity and flamebaiting" XD

[@greyeyes_yt]

Plus, most herbivores in the modern day could see directly behind them with how their eyes are placed for the exact purpose of seeing predators. So, surely you'd assume convergent evolution would have something to do with that.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Everything has binocular vision wyn? /s

[@ivann9322]

if they go through with this, they need to fix the footstep sounds. A carno or cera can charge towards you and you won't hear anything so the current camera helps with that.

[@E-48]

They banned me for laughing at someone comparing dondi to yandere dev lmao

[@ligmasphere901]

sounds like you were to based for their circle jerk discord server

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

That is an apt comparison. Wonder if we’ll ever get a “chalice moment” from them.

[@GEK0dev]

How the hell would you play stego? I see two positives, And 1000 negatives, Dondi moment

[@Archosaur_Dominion]

But like, why?

[@lustrazor44]

Because Dondi insists his game gets worse. He ALWAYS does shit like this.

[@iwillhaveyourorder5174]

he is trying to make this a "realism" for whatever fuckin reason

[@CorvidayWolfy]

He’s doing a game suicide speedrun

[@gman42002]

I just wanted diablo what is this 😭😭

[@FotakaTefa]

We need to protect angry Zaguer at all costs

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

XD

[@G.oliath]

People complain about path but I dont see it sabotaging its development cycle and gameplay every other year

[@DailyCommentorr]

13:04 The amount of times I’ve played as a stego and many raptors, ceras, carnos, etc that have gotten in shots bc I was looking to the side and didn’t see someone hiding in a bush not 5 feet away on my blind side ready to ambush. It’s the fact that they have these cameras in a BLANK TEST MAP that allows you to see everything bc there’s no foliage, but the second you put this on gateway with heavy foliage such as the forest, the field of view shrinks and contorts bc of the bushes and overall foliage. 🤦🏻‍♀️ This whole thing is a massive disaster fest

[@hypsilophodon5817]

Hatchlings and fresh spawns have been really quite seen the devs annouced the new camara chages

[@DefeatPete]

If I am below the waters surface..do I just see my neck and the murky waters instead of above and around me? How am I to surprise anything above?

[@bronzedragon1022]

you shall surprise nothing Pete, it's too hard to ambush anything anyhow remember muahahaha.

[@thegoldentb7596]

We might as well learn how to feel the vibrations in the water through our fingertips on the keyboard. I don't see any other way us gator mains can ambush. LOLOL

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

lol@@thegoldentb7596

[@mechwarrior13]

Ah another dev not listening to the community and doing what they think is "best" for everyone

[@terrynichols4509]

That's how dondi has always been

[@coultercrooks7680]

"The wheel. It sucks, you can just roll it foreeever and nobody likes that, so we're reinventing it but with a more immersive, pentagonal shape."

[@Steelexxe]

they havent even fixed the audio stutter bug. its been nearly unplayabale for me without turning off my sound because the stutter is SO bad, and ive had it since the launch of gateway. nothing i tried works to rid of it. can they please to god work on fixing their game before breaking it more

[@kichmadev]

Stamina changes - lowered player population Ping issues - slowly draining player population Camera changes - ...oh boy, here we go again

[@wildspirewarrior211]

This is why I've stopped playing the isle years ago and been playing path of titans because they understand at its core it is a game and it seems like the isle is having an identity crisis

[@supremerevenant7699]

Alright i've had enough, i don't even keep up with this games news but maybe once every few months. These resparded ass devs keep looking at the most random ass shit, complain about it and overhaul the hell out of it. It's fine to innovate bro but, the dev team has literally changed so much about this game already that it makes the game an entire new learning curve. This dev team has been known to take so freaking long on these dinosaurs and it's obviously because some of these dinosaurs will be the base placeholders for other dinosaurs, for example Pteranodon to Quetz. But inbetween all that they've made 2-3 different maps? like they just keep making new shit without focusing on what people REALLY WANT: Dinosaurs and mechanics (also better fucking netcode). The humans, the unnessecary amount of foliage, the diet, the new mechanics, taking screenshots if maybe your a content creator to appreciate the beauty of the game, and the skins are all in vain with this new camera 😂. Like dude how are you going to complain about looking and building world view around your dinosaur. You quite LITERALLY HAVE to overhaul the ENTIRE GAME to fit these things, like how are u gonna pounce well? How are u gonna tell how many raptors are on you, how tf are u gonna tell when a dilo nips ya in the arse? There's so much flaws about this, and i for one am NOT gonna be using my alt bite because i'd feel queasy just playing this game. They've already limited camera movement when drinking, so now we're just free food for a supposed deino, might be cool as a fear factor but what? Also speaking of deino, how tf are we gonna see well through the water? ESPECIALLY THE THICK SWAMP WATER?!? Look dude, to whoever reads this comment or if it comes through and someone happens to see this i'd really appreciate it if you could give me your opinion on this matter, whether you're a new, or an old player. Thanks for reading my 2 cents.

[@amandalarsen9121]

"We're in the kitchen, we decide what's cooking" Except, it's because of us, the consumers, that there's even a kitchen to begin with. Dondi is notorious for his sudden changes of mind and direction with the game, and at this point I am no longer shocked. The stam changes that nobody's asked for? The camera changes that nobody's asked for? Just to name a recent few ... Dondi is digging a deeper grave for his game for no apparent reason.

[@brianaburch9854]

They're chefs cooking at a restaurant. They burn the food enough then the tables are gonna be empty.

[@spinoyonyx2800]

This is truly a dev thinking realistic = fun moment Remember guys realistic =/= fun

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

The part where the “tone shifts” was perfect.

[@unforgiven-_6444]

Finally someone that really gets it, well done. They are destroying the "fun" aspect of the game in favour of immersion and realism failing to understand that it doesn't always equate to engaging mechanics and it doesnt really fix balancing problems. I spent 1 day arguing in their official discord about ways to balance stegos and stamina issues and i got people telling me that stegos are TOO SLOW and needed a buff, and that herbies that have the advantage of herds are "shit dinos" because they rely on others. Truly mind-boggling. The fact is that this game is going in the wrong direction and 50% of it is the community's fault.

[@TheFlamingWeasel]

He literally said he understands the game doesn’t have enough to do and is choosing not to prioritize that problem 🤦