The Kennedy Assassination: Inside the Book Depository - Lemmino Reaction Part 3

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[@ET_Bermuda]

VTH, for what it's worth, I've had a great time watching Lemmino's recent vid with you. Thanks, man.

[@larrythecableman6963]

I like watching his reaction videos more than the original content because he adds so much to it

[@a.wenger3964]

Yes, I've seen the video three times now. 1st by myself. 2nd with my friend. 3rd now with VTH. My heart still drops when hearing the testimony of Oswald's wife and how her whole world turns upside down when they didn't find the rifle.

[@simonjames1604]

@@a.wenger3964 the WC didnt believe a word marina said. neither did the HSCA ,weird that you believe her though. she also maintains to this day that oswald wasnt the lone nut shooter. so how do you feel about her knowing this?

[@a.wenger3964]

@@simonjames1604 "knowing" Your question operates off too many asumptions for any answers to be worthwhile. Clarify your position and restate, if you're honestly interested in a response.

[@simonjames1604]

@@a.wenger3964 the question was simple direct and straight forward, the fact that you found it too complex and think marinas stated position is an "assumption" tells me how little you have researched or examined this subject matter, and thats the issue with discussing it with novices, they mistake their ignorance for insight. 1 the WR wrote several internal memos about marinas dishonesty but had no answer on how to deal with it 2 critics of the HSCA directly approached the 3rd lead council ( first two quit out of frustration but you knew that right?) demanding that they stop soft balling marina and accepting her blatant lies, to which the director responded " and then we will get nothing" and marina appeared on several news shows in the 90s claiming lees innocence. they are on you tube you can kind them easily enough,. so now i have laid out the FACTS for you how do you feel about accepting ONE of marinas statements as gospel when no one else who investigated her ever did? i cant dumb it down further.

[@kylewilson2819]

Just like I pointed out in the last video: The Dallas PD, the FBI and the Secret Service could not have botched this investigation any worse if they had tried. Every action taken in this investigation seems less to do with "What happened here?" and more to do with "How can I avoid being blamed and who can I scapegoat instead?" and that kind of incompetence and beauracratic mismanagement breeds conspiracy.

[@cheeseninja1115]

I have to agree. While I don't believe there was really any large conspiracy with the assassination itself, the investigation afterwards reeks of a ton of people trying to cover their asses for how they let this happen and/or how they could have lost pieces of evidence.

[@Catokawaii]

I think some important practices in investigation and detective work were not as commonplace back then. And I bet there was a lot of common practices that were developed as part of the autopsy of this investigation.

[@kylewilson2819]

@@Catokawaii As someone whose family lived in the South during this time, there was also another element: Non-lawful revenge. There was a big mentality among Southerners, especially the police, that were more interested in getting revenge than actually determining who committed a crime. As a result, there was more emphasis on doling out a sentence than investigating. The Dallas PD wasn’t really interested in figuring out why or how someone had assassinated the president, they just wanted to know WHO did it so that they could string em up. That’s why I think no one really tried to stop Jack Ruby, no one wanted to let Oswald live once he was the prime suspect, especially after he also killed a cop.

[@bobwhite2]

They did try..to botch it. Succeeded.

[@debishvebishwish4839]

And even his funeral is almost botched. What a disrespect. But what I really admire in this chaos is Jackie. What an amazing woman.

[@Supernova2464]

Can we please give more credit to LEMMiNO’s music and SFX? There so good!!!

[@Raptor810Blue]

Ikr! That and his excellent research are the reasons why his channel is so popular!

[@Supernova2464]

@@Raptor810Blue the research is good, the writing is unmatched, and the visuals are incredible! All of these are mentioned all over the comment section (of the original) but the music and SFX aren’t given nearly enough credit!

[@tdRftw]

the 3 note leitmotif used in between chapters sounds so uncanny and makes you feel so uneasy, it's brilliant

[@Supernova2464]

@@tdRftw I love it so much! Truly incredible!

[@patrick17_6]

Yea I believe he uses Blender, it's sick

[@Taskicore]

Isn't it crazy how these infamous cases are USUALLY never actually a criminal genius, and rather the result of incredible police negligence?

[@deyvem5705]

When I look at the aftermath of the assassination, and the way the police fumbled so many things I remember that quote "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

[@kiddeath96]

Fair enough

[@joshuabowen6919]

Napoleon, right?

[@OppressedFlower]

You’re my after-high school history teacher and I appreciate the content you’ve put out man. 🤘

[@hvbking5624]

So true

[@CreepingHistory]

One of the things I really love about Lemmino’s video is that it allows us to get a decently coherent overview of the situation. In so many “documentaries” and conspiracy theory videos, the author will only include or exclude details that fit their preconceived narrative. What Lemmino also does is give us all the relevant details on the sections of the investigation, and then walks us through how he evaluates the reliability of their testimony. This is very much how we should deal with primary sources in history when trying to come to a conclusion based on the facts available: Label the source, summarize what the source says, evaluate the reliability of the source (+ secondary sources). Personally, I see no need for a large conspiracy or cover up to have taken place.

[@jasonblack2760]

It’s the best documentary on the topic par none. Puts big money Hollywood to shame. Just goes to show you that skill and dedication take you further than just money.

[@simonjames1604]

he really doesnt, did you know that wesley beull frazier came up with the curtain rod story when he was charged with being a co conspirator with oswald? did you know the beull claims to have seen other weapons leave the tsbd that day and to this day believes oswald innocent? did you know the CBS riflemen failed entirely 45% of the time to get 3 shots off in less than 9 seconds and the only 2 of them had the hit rate equal to oswalds shooting that day and that the one with the BEST score became a leading WRC critic for the rest of his life deaming it imppossible for a lousy shot like oswald to do the job? did you know the CIA were tracking oswalds movements in mexico BEFORE the assination and yet despite having 3 cameras trained on the cuban and russian embassies and despite the CIAS insistance that oswald visisted the embassies 5 times the CIa couldnt produce a single photo of oswald and the ONE photo they did produce was of a known russian opperative who looked nothing like oswald? did you know that a tape of oswald on the phone to the cuban embassy was given to J edgar hoover who claimed the voice on the tape was not oswald? seems like the us intelligence community were showing a ton of interest in this supposed nobody who just happened to be at the TSBD right? how about the fact that nobody saw oswald shoot the gun? Oswald leaves the building but does he go quickly out the nearest back exit? no he does in fact go to the pop machine and slowly ambles out the front door, takes his time going to a bus, then when he gets off the bus the first cab he comes across he offers to a lady saying he can wait, does this sound like a man panicking after a major crime? the woman who was the lone witness to the shooting of Tipett places the time of the shooting too early for oswald to possibly make it there on foot from his rooming house and helen graham was a creature of habie leaving her home at the same time to catch the same bus to work, yet if the shooting happens before oswald could be there on foot who drove him? why did several of the witness to the murder of tippett think he lived in oak cliff? why did tippitt continue to rush from one location to another until finally encourting his murderer? i could go on for a while longer its not that oswald has to be innocent ., but the case against him being guilty is circumstantial and thin at best on jfk and virtually non existant on tippett. and "videos" like this over look as many tdetalis as some conspiracy videos do. if oswald was guilty it was gonna take more than the dallas cops had the weekend to convict him.

[@MDelorean]

@@simonjames1604 Wow I didn't know you could time travel! Did you know the earth is FLAT!!??

[@simonjames1604]

@@MDelorean i said nothing about time travel and my posts deal only with facts as they relate to the case, if you want to refute what i said try dealing with facts and not lame trolling, cheers

[@policepolicepolice]

​@@simonjames1604 he tried to snuck in a cinema without a ticket and he shot an officer to death, does that looks like someone panicking after comitting a major crime?

[@faeembrugh]

It's not just the fact that Oswald murdered Tippett in cold blood on a suburban street in daylight, but he then attempted to murder another police officer in the movie theatre. That he would be prepared to do these things is, to me, indicative that Oswald was a pretty ruthless individual and quite willing to kill anyone who got in his way.

[@COwens]

That bit is often left out of the discussion, presumably because it doesn't fit with Oswald's claims of being a patsy.

[@alberthicks9691]

Well a lot of people who believe in a conspiracy still think Oswald was involved, but that there were larger forces behind it. I personally don't, but that theory could still work even with Oswalds later actions

[@danielaltmann1308]

or maybe was scared with the fact that he knew pollice would find him so if he saw any police officer he would shoot them so they couldnt say where he was

[@simonjames1604]

the case for oswald killing tippett is weaker than you can possibly guess, there is a lone witness to oswald pulling the trigger, helen markham but her testimony is all kinds of troubling for the WRC for a lot of reasons this video wont go into. for 1 she was a creature of habit , going to her job taking the same bus every day leaving home at the same time and she checks her clock before the two minute walk to the bus stop , leaving at 1 04 as per usual and in two minutes she is at her stop and officer tippett pulls up and is shot. but if oswald was at his rooming house as late as 1 05 according to his land ladys assistant then there is no physical way in the world he got the 9/10 of a mile in 4 minutes unless he was roger bannnister to arrive in time to shoot officer Tippett, so did he get a drive there? some lone nutters think yes he had too , even the dallas police have suggested anyone who gave oswald a ride would be too embarrassed to admit they did so...but so far no one ever come forward. the bullets in tippett were not a good match to oswalds gun and helen grahams id of oswald would not have held up in court, the next 4 closest witnesses either hid ( scoggins and benedies) or testified that different people did the shooting (adams and wright) out of the 8 witnesses who claim to have seen the shooter AFTER the shooting they give more or less entirely different descriptions of his clothing , and two of them have the shooter going in an entirely opposite direction than the others a third has the shooter being driven away. reasonable doubt is something that folks who watch videos dont really seeem to fathom, but there is a boat load of "evidence" in the tippett case that wouldnt hold up to the least bit of scrutiny. you have to do more homework than you have done to make pronouncements on oswalds ruthlessness. another quick question if oswald did try to kill a cop in the dallas theater why was he never charge with that crime? seems like when you have two murders with the thinnest of circumstantial cases why would the slam dunk case that all the cops SAID happen? or maybe you know cops are lying like cops do when they have beat the hell out of someone and they may not have had a reason.

[@jhb134]

Oswald was IN the Texas Theater at the exact time Tippit was murdered - look it up.

[@untruelie2640]

I think when dealing with things like this, it's very easy to be influenced by agency bias ("someone has to be behind this"), so I think it's important to always use Ockham's razor and Hanlon's razor, especially when dealing with eyewitness accounts. Everything in Lemmino's video and in your reaction points me towards the conclusion that this was a "simple" assassination, committed by one man alone - Oswald. Everything else just looks like the result of human error and sloppy police work.

[@untruelie2640]

@regigrenski8434 It's not really simple. If we use Ockham's razor, a huge conspiracy and cover up is actually the most complex solution. As I said, we humans have an instinctive agency bias, we often suspect that an agent has to be the cause of a problem or discrepancy rather than it being the product of pure chance. If one man can become crazy enough to kill the US President, another man can become crazy enough to kill the killer in turn. And even his death doesn't have to be something sinister. There have been more freakish and unlikely concidences in history. Besides, killing Oswald infront of TV cameras is not exactly a smooth way to get rid of him. As Lemmino says at the end of his video, the hypothetical conspirators must've been both incredibly clever and incredibly stupid and sloppy at the same time, which doesn't add up.

[@chuis2101]

I think it’s just the fact that everything lined up so perfectly for Oswald that it seems beyond coincidence, even though it probably is. However the most suspect part is the lack of actual Oswald interviews and his murder before he could go to trial. I’m certain Oswald fired the shots and I’m content with the idea that he came up with the actual plan on his own. However I don’t think it’s out of the question that a person or group may have encouraged Oswald into pursuing such an action, hence why he claimed he was set up.

[@untruelie2640]

@@chuis2101 Your first point can be explained with path dependency: If everything hadn't lined up perfectly for Oswald, he never would've killed Kennedy and we never would have even known about him. Who knows how many wannabe assassins there are in history? The chain of events looks perfect to us, but only because it resulted in this outcome. We are in the "Oswald is successfull" timeline or path, so of course everything fits. The lack of intervews could be suspicious, but it could also be explained by the lack of a tape recorder in the police department (as is explained in the next part of the video) and the apparent sloppiness of their work. The issue with the casings is the best proof for this. It is possible that Oswald was influenced by others, but it isn't really necessary. He had a political background and while we will never know about his true personal motives, there is no concrete evidence for any sort of intervention. The entire chain of events depended on so many coincidences that it is unlikely that a professional conspiracy would've chosen him and this way of killing Kennedy. A professional long-range sharpshooter who is never identified and vanishes without a trace (covered by some discreet insider work) or a car bomb set up to imply a scapegoat would've been far more effective and less dangerous. As Lemmino says in the video, the conspirators can't be both incompetent (at organizing the assassination) and competent (at covering up their own involvement) at the same time.

[@chuis2101]

@@untruelie2640 as I said i agree that it is just a coincidental line of events. I’m just a saying that the complete incompetence of the police only serves to fuel conspiracy. Tbf though, there is no chance that the entire Dallas Police department didn’t have 1 tape recorder for the crime of the century. They managed to find enough tapes to record all the witness testimony a couple months later. Again I don’t think this is conspiracy but I don’t believe Fritz about the tape recorders for one second, especially when he’s the same man who said that he didn’t touch the cartridges despite a lot of testimony against him. Instead I think that the interviews with Oswald probably contained unethical methods of questioning and interrogation as retribution for what he did, so they chose not to disclose what was said. Again I don’t think there were direct conspirators with Oswald, but like Chris said, I’m not opposed to the idea that Oswald was further radicalised by whatever party may have been interested in Kennedy being dead. Not that it is a certain or even really likely outcome, but it is the extent of any ‘conspiracy’ that is plausible to me. Oswald was convinced that he was set up, obviously he did it and there is a 0% chance that he didn’t do it so it could be as easy as a desperate outcry. However, it’s not impossible that he interacted with other people that gave him that final encouragement to commit the act, hence why he may feel as if he were set up. If the police had the interviews and if Oswald wasn’t murdered by a man with ties to organised crime, there would be no conspiracy rumours, as we’d have a lot more of the story.

[@occam7382]

@@untruelie2640, expanding on your point about any conspirators not wanting to choose Oswald, this is actually corraborated by contemporary evidence. Immediately after JFK's assassination, the USSR was incredibly worried that they would be blamed for the assassination (and we all know where that would lead), so after Oswald was named as the primary suspect, the KGB launched a massive investigation to figure out if they had ever tried to recruit him in the past. They found that while it was a consideration, the KGB never tried to recruit Oswald as they found him to be an unreliable asset. So if one of the largest intelligence agencies in the world didn't want to use this guy, why would anyone else want to either?

[@heli0ns]

As someone with formally diagnosed ADD, remembering sequences and times for events is sometimes incredibly difficult and I make mistakes when questioned. (Especially if it's been a while or if I was at all distracted during the time.) I can relate to Dougherty's confused statements about hearing gunshots before his lunch in this manner. It's not that I'm lying on purpose, it's because I get confused or simply remember things in a jumbled order.

[@double_w6512]

I used to believe that there was a big conspiracy with the JFK assassin and that Oswald was not the shooter. I followed the common conspiracy theory that the shots came from the grassy knoll. Over time I started to stray away from that as it didn't seem possible to cover up a giant conspiracy like that with the number of people that would have to be involved. Lemmino's video provided a lot of details that I did not know beforehand. I now firmly believe that Oswald fired the shots without any assistance from anyone. There definitely seems to be a lot of coincidences, but a lot of that has to do with the investigation relying so heavily on eyewitness testimony.

[@bobwhite2]

I’m a patsy…? Why would he say that? No!

[@sevendst19]

the ballistic evidence and zapruder film point to a conspiracy. Magic bullet that somehow ended up on the wrong stretcher and was pristine yet went through 2 people and pulverized a radius bone and a rib

[@ryanmattson345]

@@RichardM333 There is no way a secret service agent fried 5-7 rounds without anybody in Dealey Plaza seeing that.

[@Bluecheese1400]

@@ryanmattson345 simple, witness say something witness family gone

[@letsgotomarsman]

Court has found the fbi guilty with involvement

[@JGKrump]

Amazing that 60 years later, the JFK assassination still fascinates us as much as it does. An event that served as a pivot point in history.

[@b14ker14]

Where there is smoke there is fire.

[@rickwiles8835]

It still fascinates because many like myself are still alive and remember the day it happened, we have a very real emotional connection to it.. I was 9 years old and watched my fourth grade teacher and other adults start to cry when JFK was pronounced dead. I'll remember that day and the following week till I draw my last breath. But for my 20 year old granddaughter November 22, 1963 that date is merely a question on a history test.. 99% of us couldn't even tell you the date McKinley was assassinated. The only reason I know McKinley was killed in Buffalo is because I grew in a small town ten miles north of Buffalo it was local history. The people alive in 1901 knew exactly where they were when they heard the news. It does have the same emotional connection to them as the killing of JFK, MLK, RFK or the killings at Kent State have to me because I lived through them.

[@dougnoble8762]

I was on a playground when some older kids told us what happened.

[@kaikalter]

It's strange to see how well documented something is that happened that long ago, something that really makes you think about how people will look back on today in some fifty years.

[@diniodo5898]

i would say it's not that well documented at all. there are so many holes in the detective work and that's why conspiracy theories galore on it. and this was the case for the assassination of the US president, while on going in a war with another super power. it should've been documented with way more precision.

[@diniodo5898]

i would say it's not that well documented at all. there are so many holes in the detective work and that's why conspiracy theories galore on it. and this was the case for the assassination of the US president, while on going in a war with another super power. it should've been documented with way more precision.

[@Alec0124]

Bro you aint joking. Only the information that have on us today is ridiculous. ie: I keep my good location service on, so they will basically know where I was for practically every day of my adult life. Not to mention all of our comments, all of our posts or videos uploaded. I wonder what future historians will think of us, and what misconceptions they may form. If you reading this future person, yeah I'm talking about yall. You're welcome for not letting the world get blown up, I didn't have anything to do with it. But apparently society still goes on.

[@lucky4um20]

I find it fascinating with significant events like this assassination and 9/11 for example, people that witness these events can change throughout the years. But for the people that find out about the events from the news, they still remember where they were and what they were doing when they found out.

[@sharandeep9816]

I feel like even though it was well documented the assasination happened right in the perfect era/time for there to be both have not enough documentation to fully prove what happened (nowadays there'd be so many phones recording it if there was a president motorcade like this) and for there to be just enough documentation (botched or otherwise) to create enough holes that can be filled with conspiracy theories.

[@Shadow12aven]

Neuroscientist here and it seems so far a lot of the discussion has been about eyewitness testimony and an immense amount of memory errors. Our brains are predominately made for sensory information first and foremost. We spend most of our time gathering and using our senses to make meaning of the world around us. This is done through echoic, iconic, and semantic memory processing. Echoic is for hearing and lasts about four seconds, while iconic is about two seconds and both of them report to short-term memory. To get it processed to long-term memory (semantic memory) it needs to be encoded and this either takes place over many times (aka studying) or can happen without any or little effort. The latter tends to be rare and tends to happen during very memorable events known as "flashbulb memories." The problem is we do not know which people in this documentary had flashbulb memories and which ones did not due to the amount of contradicting testimony we've seen so far. There is a very famous psychological study from the 1970s - linked below - that showed the inconsistencies that memory has based on the interviewers' question style. Psychologists made people witness a car crash and then asked them to describe the car crash by using words like crash and smash in their questions. People who were given the word "smash" actually reconstructed the car crash by adding more serious damage - such as glass, smoke, etc. - than what was witnessed by themselves just prior before. This is known as the misinformation effect and scientists are thinking that the majority of our memories are actually "reconstructed." www.themantic-education.com/ibpsych/2019/02/25/key-study-leading-questions-and-the-misinformation-effect-the-car-crash-study-loftus-and-palmer-1974/

[@mauiswift6391]

Fascinating!

[@JuventinaHannah]

I watched this lemmino video over the weekend with little to no knowledge about the finer details of this event and i was so lost... Watching your videos explaining everything abit more actually makes it so much easier to understand so thanks for that 😊

[@Ozai75]

If any of you are familiar with the Swiss Cheese Model when dealing with airplane disasters this is very, very similar. Each small incident (Lee Harvey getting the job, him finding out about the motorcade, etc) Are all explained by the model, in that had one single thing been different none of this would have happened, but unfortunately all of them lined up and ended up with the assassination.

[@simonjames1604]

this was the third time assissins tried to get kennedy in a motorcade and the other two times had nothing to do with oswald, so things dont seem so straightforward when you know about the chicago and florida plots.

[@nileprimewastaken]

@@simonjames1604 *gasp* other people tried to assassinate this very prominent political figure during one of the times they are most exposed??????? theres no possible way they could have been working independently and had all come to the same conclusion that it would be the easiest to assassinate this person when they drove right in front of them!!!!!!!!!! it must be a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!!! i think this supports rather than disproves the swiss cheese model, if it was a giant conspiracy it seems much more likely they would have gotten him the first or second time, if it was random chance it makes much more sense that the last couple things didnt align perfectly

[@COwens]

10:25 The only real example of a cover up in this case is the admission by FBI agent James Hosty that he had destroyed a note Oswald left with the FBI telling them to leave his wife alone. According to Hosty, "In the Hoover FBI, every SAC [Special Agent in Charge] had a "Do Not File" drawer. This was where he kept his personal notes on all his agents, so that when he did annual evaluations of each agent he had notes to work from. Personnel matters were treated confidentially, so everyone knew this was the SAC's most private drawer. The material kept in this drawer never entered the official record. Occasionally all the instructions and supporting paperwork for a particularly sensitive or controversial mission were kept in the drawer, and destroyed as soon as they were no longer needed. The absolute privacy of this drawer afforded Hoover "plausible deniability" -- if an objectionable action or mission did reach the public eye, Hoover could claim to know nothing about it, since it had never officially occurred....There was no doubt that this note was ordered destroyed to keep Hoover from finding out about it. If Hoover had found out he would have blown up, and probably done something stupid."

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Can you source that? I want to read that. The more I know about Hoover's tenure the more curious I get. It's like watching a bridge blow up and then watching cars from both sides flooring it into the gorge because they think they can make it.

[@COwens]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 Hosty wrote a book in 1996 called Assignment: Oswald. That's where the quote is from.

[@simonjames1604]

theres a lot more than that. the actions of tippett are all over the map and the "explanations" the dallas police give seem beyond and belief and counter evidence by folks who knew tippett and recall seeing him at various points before he was shot, the WRC knew marina was lying but didnt question her testimony, they knew helen markham was not reliable, that howard brennan was mistaken but they kept their testimony and tried to "hide" it within the report hoping folks wouldnt notice the issues they created. they produced a witness for the WRC who saw oswald at a rifle range but sadly he saw oswald at the range AFTER the assination. george de mornschield, the paines, the pro bautista cubans, the trip to mexico being closely monitered by the cia/fbi that came with almost zero proof, the testimony of sylvia duran , the report of dallas police of oswalds arrest yet no charges linked to that? the list honestly goes on and on, lot of butt covering going on.

[@kdietz65]

If the photo of the bullet casings was taken with a wide angle lens and printed full frame, it would tend to make the shells look further away from each other than it would have appeared to the naked eye. Then, a crop of the photo would return the photo closer to 50mm, which is closer to that of the human eye. This could explain why Mooney gave different answers regarding the position of the shells.

[@alexbarber3310]

Would you ever consider doing a video on the death of Marilyn monroe as well as the murder of RFK? Those are also topics in which there are many theories and conspiracies around the circumstances. I would really enjoy your insight on those two in particular as they also have very close links to JFKs life and (cough cough) “extracurricular activities”. Love your added commentary on these style of videos as always! 😊

[@loganjacobs6970]

I was so happy to see this video 6 mins after release, because i just got off my ship yesterday (im in the US navy) and i thought i had an awful cliff hanger for my underway tomorrow. However VTH delivered and I’m very happy. Keep up the content and good work!

[@loganjacobs6970]

(Side note, i had duty yesterday and don’t have service onboard. I just watched the previous 2 episodes moments ago)

[@IDGAFdeceit]

Thanks for your service G

[@howdyl6456]

Shouldn’t Oswald shooting a cop be enough to convince people he shot jfk? Why would an innocent man shoot a cop? Only someone guilty would panick in that degree

[@ebert311]

I quote 12 Angry Men. It depends on your definition of panic. He didn’t panic when he was at work and approached any an officer minutes after the murder. But being spotted walking on the street caused him to panic so much that he shoots down a officer? I’m just saying what version of panic makes the most sense. We don’t know the dude so we can’t say.

[@danhonks6264]

I always love your reactions to video essays in which you have knowledge. Thanks VTH :)

[@kengoodman7719]

Incompetence + CYA + lack of experience + happen chance, ironic timing and opportunity all combined at the right point in time to create history. Really not much beyond that. God Bless!

[@kevinrobinson9358]

I'm really enjoying this series. Coming into it, I was 75% certain that there was a conspiracy involving JFK's assassination. However, after watching the last three videos and hearing your thoughts on the matter, I'm beginning to think that Oswald quite possibly was alone in his actions and that it was just a crime of opportunity. At the end of the day though, I don't think there will ever be a way to 100% prove or deny any theory pertaining to his assassination. As always, keep up making such great content. I always look forward to watching your videos and learning about history. Best!

[@samwaisanen8972]

In my mind there are basically two options, and both hinge on the government releasing their files. They are either keeping them hidden to save the embarrassment of how badly the screwed up the investigation. Or they were somehow involved in the assassination and killed Kennedy in part due to his hatred of the CIA.

[@kiddeath96]

Fam. Do you read or listen to audiobooks. I was going to drink the official flavor Kool aid 6 months ago. Not anymore. I can recommend some to ya. Just the stuff to make you think.

[@EllaGP22]

I watched the entire original video before this and now I’m watching it again with your commentary and additions. You are much better than most react content as you add relevant and new information that compliments the video very well. Thanks for all your work VTH!

[@gaborbe]

Thank you, these are great videos. Love the commentary

[@Gio34811]

Him being in custody so quick reminds me of Timothy McVeigh also being arrested right after the bombings and before he was officially known as a person of interest

[@ebert311]

I went to the OKC Bombing museum. It’s incredible if you ever go to it. McVeigh was pulled over for a traffic stop on the highway. If he would have acted natural, he would have probably gotten a ticket and went on his way. They didn’t know anything about the bomber or his car because McVeigh parked the car several blocks away.

[@simonjames1604]

it seems truly fingered oswald pretty quickly in this case,. which seems odd, oswald wasnt the only employee who left and up to that point why would only an employee of the TSBD by a suspect? but thats how it went down.

[@Gio34811]

@@ebert311 yea wasn’t it somehow even though the whole van was basically disintegrated, one of the axels still had an intact VIN or identification number in general??? Life’s crazy man

[@Alexander-James]

Lee Harvey Oswald was already a suspect by then.

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

​@@simonjames1604I mean if you talked to witnesses quickly you could soon gather where the suspect was likely located and what they looked like. There also weren't any reports of anyone unknown seen in the building. Put those 2 pieces of info together and you've got a young thin white male that worked at the building as a prime suspect. There can't have been many employees that fit that description. I'd guess that Oswald was the only one that fit the description and left in the middle of the workday without telling anyone.

[@DarkKix2000]

Thank you so much for breaking this down, I watched the original because of your reaction so thanks!! 😊

[@IlluminatiReign]

Your reactions to this have been welcome company for a long few days, thank you.

[@Findo_Gask]

It's a bit of an oversight that Lemmino never mentions the fact that Oswald had already attempted to assassinate General Walker in April. That surely clinches it.

[@bromeatmeco8611]

It makes sense when you consider LEMMiNO's focus. He wanted to focus on the building and events within specifically, not any outside event too much.

[@81overon]

Not really a fact that LHO made an attempt on Gen Walker. The evidence isn't solid.

[@cucumbermainline]

Do not conveniently forget the disclaimer lemmino said within the very first few minutes of his video....

[@simonjames1604]

the only person who ties oswald to the walker shooting is marina and her testimony was not very believable , she also states oswald tried to kill nixon who wasnt in dallas at the time and the she "locked him in the bathroom" til he calmed down, how many bathrooms do you know lock from the outside? marina switched sides and now believes that oswald was not a shooter. so you are assuming facts of evidence that are not facts to back up your position.

[@denroy3]

This is a about what happened on the day of the assassination. Not about Cuba, Russia, Walker, New Orleans.

[@COwens]

19:55 Not only that, Dallas wasn't that big a city back then so police and journalists were able to deduce that the two killings were linked. Also, most of the cops involved have admitted that they were more incensed by the Tippit murder than JFK.

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

I would disagree about Dallas not being a big city back then

[@COwens]

@@jakefromstatefarm6969 Fair enough. I'm basing this on a statement made by Gerard Hill, one of the cops involved: "I made the statement that the two incidents were awfully close together. Although Dallas is a big town now, it wasn't that big at the that time. You didn't have two major incidents like this going on that close together. It would automatically make you suspicious."

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

@@COwens Dallas has definitely grown, and it's true that the events were pretty close together within the town. In terms of ranks in the US, Dallas was a already a top 15 metro area by 1960. In terms of raw numbers, 1960 Dallas would be akin to modern day new Orleans or OKC, and that doesn't even include ft worth.

[@danielbishop1863]

​@@jakefromstatefarm6969 : Interpolating between the 1960 and 1970 Censuses, the population of Dallas at the time of the assassination was about 740,000, making it the 12th-largest city in the US (rising to 8th place by 1970).

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

@@danielbishop1863 yep. It depends on if you measure by urban, metro, or city limits, and if you include the ft worth area. But it's an easy claim to say top 15

[@lunardoeseverything5393]

I like how you take into account Peoples mental wellbeing and lifestyle in history, i feel like its a heavily overlooked thing since throughout history mental health has been ignored up until now.

[@jtdavis62]

27:46 On Oswald deciding to shoot JFK a few days before. I agree. The route of the motorcade wasn't published anywhere until Wednesday or Thursday. He saw his chance and he took it, exactly like Ruby did later that weekend. I think Oswald is obviously the key to understanding this case. If you know Oswald, you know he did not mix well with others, was totally unreliable, and was incapable of conspiring with anyone. His actions after the assassination are those of a panicked man in flight.

[@vadernoe2126]

This reaction I know is going to be so cool, can't wait to rewatch all the vodeos is a row

[@tysak4]

An excellent documentary now with excellent additional commentary

[@jonasgustaf]

Proud of Lemmino, coming from the same city as I am. Great job.

[@HarrySJohnson]

I know very little about this topic, so I am grateful for your bringing this information to me. And thank you to Lemmino for putting it into such a digestible format.

[@jetcat132]

Please continue to watch quality content like this and stay on the right path, and you’ll find out why it was Oswald alone.

[@hughiegibson1716]

This was such a good series and I loved that I watched the original video first.

[@itzmoney2369]

28:09 that’s a perfect point I was thinking the same thing while watching this video this is so good and honestly opened up my eyes

[@rustymoves8035]

I absolutely adore these videos

[@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing]

Love your content🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@QuackAttack]

I JUST finished watched part 2 and, lo and behold, part 3 is now here :)

[@RK-ln6kg]

I enjoyed this doc much better than previous ones. Whether oswald was working with other people or not, we may never know, but one thing for sure he was the lone gun man on that day.

[@playhorrorpurple6593]

What you do is a amazing, you help me learn so much of history. Thank you ❤

[@aj2k08]

Loving the longer form content Chris really enjoyed it. Would love to recommend “The greatest raid of all” from Jeremy Clarkson’s ww2 doc series - fantastic story that you’d love. Thanks for all your great work 👍🏻

[@genariohh389]

chris overviewing videos on historical events giving us the real nitty gritty that the video doesn't cover honestly makes learning history so much better

[@jasoncampbell5379]

VTH I also love history and I enjoy your channel and your analysis. This is my first time commenting. I also agree that Lemmino has some of the best documentaries on KZbin

[@albert8797]

Just wanted to say I love your content hope you have a good day!

[@rogerroger9960]

One of my favorite sayings relating to our government. "Don't attribute to malice what you can to stupidity" or incompetence like you said. Lol

[@rawbacon]

No way to prove why he bought the rifle but I would guess he specifically bought it to kill Walker with, there's certainly no evidence he bought it to kill Kennedy with......He also bought a pistol at about the same time so he may have even been thinking of just knocking on Walker's door and using the pistol which is a lot easier to conceal.

[@YouMe-ru6wi]

Lemmino is a master love his stuff. And also love and appreciate what you do as well thank you. It's amazing this November will be the 60th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. I wonder if Lemmino would ever do a video on the Lincoln assassination?🤔I look forward to whatever he decides to do next though.

[@Supernova2464]

Outta curiosity, what’s your favorite of his?

[@CarlManvers2714]

I doubt he would do the Lincoln assassination just because it is pretty cut and dry. He seems to cover events that have some element of mystery or conspiracy to them.

[@YouMe-ru6wi]

@@Supernova2464 Probably the Jack The Ripper video.

[@Supernova2464]

@@YouMe-ru6wi based, I’d probably choose the Mystifying Cases of the Unknowns

[@MrSignman65]

I've had a theory: the Kennedy assasination vid is part 1. Hence why it's subtitled "Inside the Book Depository", and doesn't focus on any of the events outside of it. It leaves everything else for the future.

[@DeepCrossing1]

It makes you realise how people find it difficult to accept how events like the JFK assassination can really happen opportunistically and randomly, conspiracy theorists need for there to be more complexity and meaning in the event, there has to be more to it than banal happenstance

[@mistxfusion]

Before I saw this video I believed there was a conspiracy involving the CIA and I was unsure of Oswalds involvement. However now I’m almost certain the CIA had no involvement and I’m 100% certain of oswalds guilt

[@simonjames1604]

and yet the CIa had all kinds of files on oswalds movements BEFORE the shooting the whole mexican trip debachle where the CIA claim oswald visited the cuban and russian embassies 5 times and yet they couldnt produce a single photo of oswald and they tried to intimidate the one witness at the cuban embassy sylvia duran into changing her testimony as the oswald she met was 5 5 and had blonde hair, if the cia arent involved why is that cover story being developed before the shooting? sounds totally iffy

[@Harukonnichiwa]

I have never been so invested in a reaction series as I have with this one. I find myself anticipating every new reaction of yours to Lemmino's video and I want to thank you VTH as well as Lemmino for making such entertaining yet informative content!

[@Alexander-James]

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and there was never a strong case for the contrary. A lot of the popularity regarding a conspiracy emerged after Oliver stone made that (nonsensical) movie.

[@dodger171913]

Lovin it, Chris!

[@curtvona4891]

Oh boy! I love this!

[@HavocParadox]

i watched the entire original video the day it came out. I am here for the extra bits you might be able to add. :)

[@markberman6708]

This will be an interesting one to watch.

[@Moxie_278]

On my trip back home from eaa oshkosh! These videos are the highlight of the relatively boring 21 hour drive :)

[@docrobo360]

Another great video by Lemmino and a great reaction series for it by VTH. I've learned a lot more about this traumatic event as I only had surface knowledge about the Assassination. Lemmino's high quality videos are made more interesting too with VTH's commentary. Speaking of the incompetence of the Police during the initial investigation, another fascinating, yet off-topic discussion for this video, was the chaos and events surrounding the President and his secret service moments after the assassination. Getting the President to the hospital and then preparing him for the return trip to Washington, there was so much carelessness and hasty decisions made by the Secret Service. From the choice of casket to how they handled the President's casket during transit. Another KZbinr, "Ask a Mortician" made a video focused on Kennedy's journey from Assassination to his funeral and why his casket had to remain shut throughout the service. It's such a sad turn of events, especially for Jacqueline Kennedy.

[@corwinwheeler6819]

You do great work with these and they are very enjoyable to watch. Thank you for your hard work.

[@TheBarbarian125]

Another video I think you'd would make a great reaction to is - A Day in The Life of a Dictator: Joseph Stalin. Would love to see your take on it!

[@muhammadslostcousin4568]

It's interesting that the deputy mentioned the rifle being a Mauser, because during WWII the Germans did repurpose carcano rifles for Volksstrum division. However, even the magazine in 18:35 shows that the rifle was chambered in 6.5mm Italian

[@arrowheadx3090]

I’m new here but so far I’m enjoying your videos :D

[@tmejr95]

Ooo really like the idea of making a video talking about all the ideas and conspiracies out there, can’t wait to hear your insight. (Wouldn’t really consider myself a full on conspiracy theorist but I find them fascinating nonetheless)

[@londontipton6033]

hey chris, i’ve been binging your trips to france and i’m just wondering if you’ll be travelling somewhere else; maybe parts of the eastern front? Love all the work you put out, and i’ll be here to support you no matter what❤

[@ChrisHopkins73rd]

19:16 "People aged sooner back then", VSauce has a great video on this topic, where part of why we perceive young people in older decades as looking older than they actually are is somewhat of an illusion, where we associated certain hairstyles and fashions with belonging to an older generation. Of course the other part of it is that people are generally healthier now, people take better care of their skin these days and thus look younger/age slower.

[@COwens]

29:25 She knew that he had already shot at Edwin Walker in April and, apparently, had talked him out of firing at Nixon in the summer.

[@simonjames1604]

problem is nixon wasnt in dallas at the time , and she claims she locked oswald in the bathroom, how many bathrooms do you know lock from the outside? the WRC investigators did not believe marina neither did the HSCA and she has moved in time to the oswald didnt do it camp. its not credible evidence.

[@jetcat132]

Yes. Excellent.

[@Theegreygaming]

the "you loaded it with a built in clip" comment craig made about the rifle to me means it was a carcano, not a mauser. carcano's can be loaded with clips but these are stripper clips, meaning that ammo is transferred from the clip to the magazine and then the clip is removed before the bolt can be closed. the carcano uses an en-bloc clip which is fully inserted into the magazine and then ejected out the bottom after the last round is chambered. definitely a carcano.

[@yr_endid]

One video that I really think would add a lot to the conversation is Simon Whistler's "The JFK Assassination - Was There Really a Second Shooter on the Grassy Knoll?" it is from his channel Decoding the Unknown and the research seems to me to be very thorough

[@I_Stole_A_BTR-80]

17:22 funny that the officer reportedly saw "7.65 Mauser" on the rifle, since 7.65 Mauser is a real cartridge. But it's a pistol cartridge. Meaning (obviously) it would not have been used. However, what he could have seen was something like "...7.65, Mauser...". Or in other words, the rifle could have been chambered for 7.65mm but made by Mauser. Mauser was a German company, the Carcano was Italian, they were both operational in WW2, so maybe it was a Mauser made Carcano. Or maybe it was a captured Carcano when the italians switched sides, sent back to Germany, the factory rebores the chamber and barrel for 8mm Mauser, forgetting to stamp away '7.65mm' and just putting "Mauser" on instead. But I think the Carcano used was fully Italian anyway so none of this conjecture matters.

[@neillkist3580]

I've seen a lot of things on on the assassination and I've never seen anything about the lunch left behind in the snipers nest, I learned something new on this one for sure.

[@Ben-rh9kr]

it wasn't in the snipers nest it was down a few windows, Bonnie Rae Williams said was his with the soda and chicken.

[@gogo584]

I love learning about JFK’s assasination and the story behind it

[@ItsTheCos]

I definitely agree that where the Dallas police are concerned, incompetence is the most likely explanation. And to be fair to them, this was a pretty crazy situation to find themselves in

[@Wasaled]

Great video, watch the original video twice at this point and all of the ones you're doing covering it.

[@bjfrapp]

OMG, just in time, I finished the second part around 30 min ago.

[@Stark238]

Lemmino is just the best

[@knoober3756]

I used to be a conspiracy nut specifically for this case, but now after watching this vid and seeing you break it down. I’m more inclined to believe that he executed the assassination alone… was he asked to do the job? That’s a story we’ll probably never know. You’re the only history channel that’s been able to change my mind like this so I thank you for being so good for that

[@samwaisanen8972]

I agree I think he was the sole person there. There just has never been a solid piece of evidence of another shooter besides the difficulty in firing three shots quickly. But I’m still 50/50 on whether the government was involved. Their handling is incredibly suspect and was the original Jeffery Epstein conspiracy theory. Plus with the CIA’s hatred of Kennedy and the shady stuff the public 100% knows about, this is not as outlandish as some people may think.

[@kiddeath96]

It's obvious Lee shot the man. But there's plenty of evidence for conspiracy or extra shooter. He may be a patsy if you take what you see in Mexico as good evidence.

[@GaryED44]

I watched This video right after it was released. Ive studied the assassination for decades and have always believed Oswald did this alone and this video did clear up one thing for me. the witness that went down the TSBD stairs supposedly at the same time as Oswald saying she did not hear anyone, turns out she may not have been on the staircase at the same time

[@9Ballr]

Yes, her testimony conflicts with the testimony of other witnesses inside the TSBD, including the woman she was with. Another thing to keep in mind is that if Oswald wasn't the shooter, then the real shooter also made it down the stairs and out of the building with no one noticing, which means Oswald also could have made it down the stairs with no one noticing (until he got to the 2nd floor, at least).

[@GenDrag1]

Ah yeah handsome history man is back

[@willie11797]

if you visit Dallas Chris, there are a few other places besides Dealey plaza and the 6th floor museum that you can see regarding the assassination. You can see Oswald's Boarding House, Ruth Paine Home (the home of one of Oswald's wife's friends and where he spent the night before the assassination), and also the Memorial to JFK. You may remember from part 1 that the Ruth Paine house is where he went with Buell Frazier to grab the "curtain rods".

[@simonjames1604]

and yet marina testified when he left the paines house he had his lunch and nothing else, and wesleys mother statement to the fbi stated when he came to her house he had nothing in his hands and when he showed up at work jack dougherty was explicit that oswald had nothing in his hands, so the curtain rods exist in wesley beull fraziers mind and nowhere else, could it be as a charged co conspirator the 19 year old wesley tried to give the police what they wanted? he wrote a book saying he was pressured to sign a confession and refused to do so and he his book also claims fraziers position that oswald didnt do it. so that "evidence" is less compelling than videos like this try to insist.

[@dab.]

@@simonjames1604 1. Marina did not see Oswald leave the Paine's house, so could not have seen whether or not he had a package. 2. The package was also witnessed by Frazier's sister, who testified that she saw Oswald carrying it.

[@simonjames1604]

@@dab. fraziers mom had a fbi 301 report where she said oswald had nothing in his hands when she came to her house, and marina wasnt asleep and testified to the WR that oswald had his lunch when he left home,. and again doughertly said he had nothing when he showed up to work that day, thats 3 saying he had nothing or his lunch and two saying a package that they both said was too small to contain a rifle, frazier wrote a book where he declared oswald an innocent patsy and that the reall shooter was on the knoll, so make of that what you will. i guess.

[@Sam-gf6ue]

I had the exact same thought about his wife checking the rifle. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned directly in the documentary.

[@ebert311]

Keep in mind, she testified in April 1964. Prior to that, she said Oswald didn’t shoot anyone. Later, via the Warren Commission, she said she was confident that he did it. So, she might be telling the truth in 64.

[@simonjames1604]

@@ebert311 and today she is firmly in the "oswald didnt do it" camp, the WRC and the HSCA both thought she was entirely unreliable and not truthful but she was helpful to the WRC at the time so they took her testimony with a massive grain of salt, once she was away from the secret service and ruth paine her position changed.

[@godwarrior3403]

He got the plaid on today, he puttin the moves on us

[@jonathancampbell5231]

29:00 I think you misunderstood her- she said she didn't think her husband was involved when she first heard about the shooting, but when she was told that the shooter fired from the Depository, that's when she went looking for the rifle.

[@simonjames1604]

she didnt, the dallas police showed up later in the day and it was then that the rifle was discovered not to be in the garage. marina of course once she got away from her secret service handlers and ruth paine switched teams and is staunchly in the oswald didnt do it camp and made a few tv appearances to state this.

[@dab.]

@@simonjames1604 She did. She went to the garage and saw the blanket which appeared to still contain the rifle and was relieved. It was only later when the police picked up the blanket that she saw it wasn't there.

[@user-xn6xc5sn7x]

I think that there is just something more to all of it. I feel like there has to be. Like we're missing something big that just makes it all fit together and click into place. I think we'll never really find it, but I feel like it's out there. Someone else. Something else. Somewhere else.

[@phantomtitan9792]

Interesting video

[@8mycake244]

I agree 100 % with you. There's a wonderful book titled Case Closed, I believe by Gerald Posner, that details the ballistics of the shooting. Fascinating.

[@julianhubbard4198]

Great book.Demolishes the various conspiracy theories with hard evidence.

[@simonjames1604]

it avoids any testimony that disagrees with his position which makes it more "my bias disclosed" rather than case closed. any testimony or witnesses he doesnt like he dismisses and that is not dealing with details but again bias.

[@MichaelBOverthinking]

Let's get it!!

[@VTPSTTU]

At 19:42, you talk about Oswald getting off the bus, going into his rooming house, and staying there. That's an error. Oswald didn't ride the bus to Oak Cliff. Oswald got off the bus and took a taxi to Oak Cliff. He got out of the taxi a block or two from his rooming house. I agree that finding him would have been slower if he'd stayed in the rooming house. Of course, finding him would have been slower if he'd taken even the smallest steps to disguise himself.

[@clifporter2213]

pull up to the ren fair next weekend!😁 comin from toledo

[@Allaiya.]

I agree with your take /the official narrative

[@ronswinford4952]

First of all, thanks Chris for doing this series, I think it is good to look back on these things with "fresh" eyes sometimes. So far what has been the most eye opening thing, and I already knew it, but still seeing this has made me refocus on just how bad the Dallas police force handled this. Maybe Oswald did it alone, I am still not sure of that, but I am sure that the Dallas police really bumbled the investigation from the start. What has also shocked me is that we are well into the chase to catch and then the capture of Oswald and the Secret Service has hardly been mentioned yet. You would think they would have been running the show by the time the perch, casings and rifle were found. I know it was 1963, not now, but still seems like them or the FBI are missing in action at this point. I know it happened fast, but to me that seems a little odd, but that is far from proof of anything. With all these mistakes and all the "proof" that was used in the case, I see where all the other theories come from. Throw in what happens later with Ruby and that makes it look like even more of a cover-up to keep Oswald quiet. This is good stuff by you, and by the original producer of this excellent movie, thanks so much to you both.

[@disturbed1734]

It may just be the focus of Lemmino's video didn't include them much, but they did not operate under the same procedures as today. Look into the Warren Commission that followed the assassination to see how this event changed how both the Secret Service and the FBI operates in regards to protecting the President and anticipating threats.

[@marioncampbell2589]

1 you work on the assumption that Oswald-Tippet case is sure. 2 there seems to be an omission of the rifle picture showing different features from Oswald's rifle 3 if the sound from the fence and TSBD sound the same, it could also be used to advantage by conspirators.

[@kdietz65]

It would be easy to casually mistake 6.5mm with 7.65mm because of the similarity in numbers. If a person was familiar with a "7.65mm" marking and then saw "6.5mm", the mind might automatically substitue the missing "7" into the visual memory and think what they actually saw was "7.65mm".

[@NCISfanatic21]

Just joined your Patreon 😎😎😎

[@bromeatmeco8611]

With regards to the mishandling of the cops, there's elements of the decades passing that give us a bit of bias. However, our modern reflex to preserve any suspicious area exactly as-is comes from many mistakes. When you talked about them being unprofessional in the case of their lifetimes, I'm reminded of the infamous case of JonBenét Ramsey's killing, and the mishandling of the crime scene in "obvious" ways as late as the mid-90s. I believe that case was what propelled a lot of that preservation reflex into public consciousness.

[@AnonymousHed]

I respect you for your opinion and having open conversation with others that disagree with you. For me, it's hard to come to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone, although I notice how there isn't hard evidence (that I've seen) to indicate a larger conspiracy. I will say that the whole situation seems super suspicious, and I believe that there were most likely two shooters due to the magic bullet theory and the unlikelihood of one bullet passing through so many body parts and staying intact. Appreciate when you react to great work like Lemmino and give your perspective; keep up the great work. edit: typo

[@zacharygrouwinkel1534]

I would love a video going over all the conspiracies. Honestly doing either an OG content or a reaction going over popular conspiracy theories would be interesting.

[@brendanbrown3100]

It would be better to just go over the forensic evidence.

[@saturn7835]

@@brendanbrown3100yeah I can’t imagine he would watch a conspiracy video

[@zacharygrouwinkel1534]

@@brendanbrown3100he literally said in the video he would probably do a video on the JFK conspiracies. And I meant do a video on other popular conspiracy theories and give his opinions. Like the moon landing, Area 51, the Titanic, etc. Just curious to see what he thinks are possible. It’s all for entertainment. You don’t have to agree with conspiracy theories to enjoy talking about them.

[@simonjames1604]

destiny betrayed while not exhaustive covers a ton of ground in a less than sensational manner that makes it a decent place to start, like all conspiracies there are all kinds of super fringe beliefs that make no sense, on the other hand there are kind of lone nutters who make zero sense as well so that shines a different light on things.

[@rayn3re]

At least he’s honest about his bias Oswald was the lone shooter. Everything that would make you question he wasn’t , “doesn’t line up, throw it out” Everything that lines up, “exactly spot on and creditable”.

[@moonlightbay4814]

When Chris rejects evidence, it's clear why he is rejecting it. You are mischaracterizing what he says. For example, at 22m16s of part 4 of his reaction to LEMMiNO's video, Chris says, "you'd have to throw him out" of Walter Brennan, one of the witnesses who identifies Oswald in the window.