The Kennedy Assassination: Inside the Book Depository - Lemmino Reaction Part 2

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[@andyjunction]

The recording you mention was the main evidence used in the Senate hearings in the 1970s where they determined there was another shooter. But since then that recording has been discredited in several ways. The hot mic was in a different area than they thought and there is really nothing on it that can definitively be identified as a gunshot.

[@andyjunction]

*it was the House Select Committee on Assassinations, sorry. I should have refreshed my memory before saying Senate hearings.

[@ulyssesgrant4324]

Also got a echo in that area, if three shots would make six with the echoes.

[@ThePixelated_kris]

@@ulyssesgrant4324giving birth to the different amount of shots heard by the different earwitness accounts

[@Lesterberne]

@@andyjunctionedit the comment instead because not many open to check replies

[@thehighllama8101]

@@ulyssesgrant4324 Can't emphasize that enough. I think it was Frontline that did an acoustic analysis of echoes in Dealey Plaza. They determined that the echo coming from the grassy knoll would be as 80% as loud as the original rifle shot fired from the sixth floor of the School Depository. So, it's no wonder some people thought shots were coming from the grassy knoll.

[@GenDrag1]

I am watching but my grandmother said “oh what a handsome one you’ve got teaching you history” and I felt this is important information to share

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Please thank your grandmother for me :)

[@GenDrag1]

@@VloggingThroughHistoryshe is napping rn but I will tell her when she wakes up💙

[@ShooeyMedia]

Granny W

[@AlbertoSk816]

@@GenDrag1where your granmas at😩😩

[@lorettabes4553]

This is adorable

[@LydiotGamingTV]

2:38 "If you're 18 years old, somebody in their 40s could come across to you as elderly if they have grey hair" ... Did we just witness...a self roast?!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yes. Yes you did. I’ll be 46 next week

[@jjpleasecomebacksnewphonel6067]

happy early birthday!

[@paulwaswalrus5956]

​@@VloggingThroughHistoryHappy early birthday

[@shanecoyle3676]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Ok but you look quite good for 46 ! I'm 22, I would have thought mid 30s maybe

[@7shelties]

You look great. Happy Birthday!!

[@JohnnyOlsson]

"Why didn't you go up to the sixth floor?" Well, I don't know, maybe because there's a guy with a gun there?

[@kylewilson2819]

I think my opinion on the JFK assassination changes everytime I watch something on it, just because of how complex everything is. What I DO believe wholeheartedly is that the Secret Service and FBI absolutely bungled this investigation to a criminal extent. The failure to conduct an autopsy, the loss of JFK's body, the classification of critical documents for decades, the mysterious death of key witnesses, etc have all led to a breeding ground of conspiracies. Personally, my gut tells me that Oswald was the lone shooter and that the investigation was botched by a vengeful and embarrased Secret Service and FBI who didn't want the public to know just how badly they had failed to prevent the President's death.

[@gordo3152]

As the old saying goes, "Never attribute to malice, what can be easily explained by stupidity", or in this case, the need to cover one's ass.

[@kylewilson2819]

@@gordo3152 Man, when it comes to the government, there's never been a truer statement. LMAO

[@alicia1463]

I'm inclined to agree. Ask a Mortician has a video on the aftermath and points out that the county coroner was basically bullied into not conducting an autopsy. The Secret Service, Presidential aids, etc. understandably wanted to leave Dallas quickly. I think that autopsy probably would have held off some of the conspiracy theories.

[@jackmessick2869]

Totally agree!

[@kylewilson2819]

@@reddeaddude2187 I don't think this was a plan that was made in advance. As Lemmino pointed out, the route for JFK to take wasn't even determined until a week prior. And what good would multiple guns do? The moment you open fire, you're gonna have hundreds of cops swarming your location. If you want to get away like Oswald did, you only have enough time for 2-3 shots before needing to run. Multiple guns slow you down.

[@junas4166]

I don't know how relevant you might think it is, but LEMMiNO also lists every single reference that he has used in order to make his fantastic documentary. You can find it in the description of the video and a pinned comment. The list goes on for ages and ages...

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yeah and they flash on the screen on the bottom right corner as it goes along.

[@papamurrth1]

I'm as happy as a pig in mud right now, VTH and Lemmino. Thank you for your continuing education and entertainment, really looking forward to these reactions

[@reddeaddude2187]

This whole incident makes that remark "You can't say Dallas doesn't love you, Mr. President" so haunting.

[@wisdomleader85]

I lived in Dallas for a few years and visited the JFK memorial once. This LEMMiNO episode was one of those hours-long videos that I watched second-by-second, and watching you do a commentary on it is absolutely amazing. I look forward to part 3 and 4. Thank you, Chris.

[@Ben_not_10]

In regards to the sounds from a Carcano Rifle, having recently fired mine, I can attest that a 6.5 Carcano rifle has a very strong report, my rifle is an M41 which has a longer 7” barrel than the 20” barrel of the M38 Carcano Oswald used. When I fired my rifle the gentlemen next to me (who was shooting a 22lr suppressed) actually jumped at the shock and sound of the report. Also with my elbows using the bench for support, I could feel the reverberation from the concussion of each shot. I have no doubt in my mind that anyone in that building near the street side of the building would’ve felt the concussion of those three shots. Also it explains why Oswald mumbled a response to the woman AND why the officer had to shout to get Oswald’s attention. The officer doesn’t mention it but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume Oswald was either mumbling or not saying much. Oswald wasn’t wearing hearing protection and was inside a building, the concussion and report echoing in the sixth floor (even with the muzzle being outside) would’ve left him with a nasty ringing in the ears for atleast a few minutes and possibly disoriented him a bit. Edit: Also the concussion from the rifles report also explains the birds. Had the shots came from a different place (rather than the depository) the birds might not have fled or atleast not as a huge flock, but the pigeons would’ve felt the shockwave from the bullet breaking the sound barrier. To a normal person it might not be much, but to a bird a sonic boom shockwave would be pretty disturbing.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Interesting to hear that, appreciate you sharing this!

[@shawnmiller4781]

Not a Carcano but I have both a 91/30 and a M44 version of the Mosin Nagant rifle. I don’t have the barrel lengths off the top of my head of the two rifles but the M44 is significantly shorter. And there is a world of difference in the recoil, “Shockwave” and the report of those two rifles. The shorter M44 being much louder

[@shawnmiller4781]

Now I am under impression that Oswald was using Italian war surplus ammo. I bring this up because I know that there are several cartridges that “up charged” ammo intended for machine gun use despite being the same shell. Did the Italians do that with 6.5 Carcano and was he shooting this hotter ammo?

[@Ben_not_10]

@@shawnmiller4781 oh yes my brother calls his M44 Mjolnir. First time he shot it it sounded to me like a electric transformer blowing up. I haven’t ever heard of 6.5 up charged ammo as most Italian machine guns I know of are chambered for the 8mm Breda cartridge. However what I do know is those 162 grain bullets are at the almost unstable even in the full length long rifle so when they hit a target (especially at close range) the bullet begins tumbling in impact. Which would explain the gruesome nature of Kennedys wounds

[@shawnmiller4781]

@@Ben_not_10 My first thought when I first show my M44 was simply using the name of the carpenter in vain

[@ShaneBradford]

I can't even imagine being present at the assassination of the leader of my country. It's pure insanity

[@lorettabes4553]

Oh holy shit, yeah. That would be insane. (It would be King William for me, or our prime minister). I remember there was an incident, during a festive day where a car or carriage crashed near the royal family. It was insane.

[@davidjames579]

@@lorettabes4553 King William? What country do you live in?

[@notdeveloperh]

could be the netherlands

[@Dylan-yy3rw]

​@@lorettabes4553mine would be King William of Orange. Yes, I am several hundred years old. No, I will not be answering any questions.

[@lanehenkle6400]

​@Dylan-yy3rw but I have so many!

[@Raptor810Blue]

Best reactions on this platform. Most are just lazy and barely talk, but VTH has useful and relevant commentary.

[@simonjames1604]

the guy who runs this page deletes a ton of comments that go against his points. which means its a fairly poorly run debate, one side is presented but folks who know the terrain a lot better than him? he deletes those posts so his fans dont get upset when faced with facts he isnt aware of.

[@_Daniel_Plainview]

@@simonjames1604 this is nonsense. KZbin deletes some comments automatically or they get reported.

[@simonjames1604]

@@_Daniel_Plainview its very specific posts that get deleted while other ones remain up, i am not the only one here who has noticed this so its not "nonsense". its usually posts that provide facts that prove the info in the video incorrect or debunk talking points of this "teacher" person. more or less ends debate in a way, and by the way i am not a conspiracy person at all, i have no pet theory to sell anyone, oswald could very well be the shooter. i just think they would have had a hell of a time proving it in court and had no case in the tippett case which makes the whole story read differently when you have to face those unpleasant realities.

[@andrewstephens6765]

I’d love to see you do a series about your favorite books in various historical topics

[@crusader2112]

I concur. 👍

[@glory2christcmj702]

That's a great idea

[@shanefrederick7731]

Bonus points if some of them have audiobook options

[@Doggoko]

It’s great how you add on to what your reacting, unlike other reaction KZbinrs that just say “wow” and “dang”.

[@gaylebaker8419]

Just so you know, nobody knows who puts those x-marks on the street in front of the building. They aren't necessarily accurate, and they routinely get covered up when the road is re-surfaced. They aren't anything official, and they migrate a bit everytime they're replaced.

[@buzzsrighthook3582]

Interesting, Thank you

[@gaylebaker8419]

@@buzzsrighthook3582 If you Google map it right now, using the satellite view, you'll three marks!

[@onkelkonkel5]

I work on a military compound where we have firing ranges. It often sounds like shots come all over the place when some one is conducting a firing exercise.

[@mv0gel]

I’m Brazilian and been following this case for years. The documentary is pretty solid.

[@TheHidestHide]

I like how Lemmino tastefully edited the interrogation answers to omit any slurs, when its very clear they were used in some answers.

[@michaelrumsey7932]

And that's a thing so many people don't do. "Well I have to keep it exactly how it was," and at times that is true but as proof here, sometimes there's just no need.

[@squillz8310]

​@@michaelrumsey7932exactly. Tbh this is my first time learning there were slurs in some of the testimonies. I haven't personally read the originals myself so I never knew. Gives me even more respect for Lemmino because they never even came off that way from his presentation.

[@kristoffer8609]

Seems kind of silly. When we're talking about witness testimony, it's important to know exactly what the person said. Not what the video producer thought they should've said.

[@kayzeaza]

To be fair the n word would get you demonetized and the video would be buried by the algorithm. Something everyone here should think about.

[@sgtpepper4691]

was waiting for this

[@andre23141]

Og logo, pog

[@zacharyvandyke2003]

Man I went from thinking there was no conspiracy 3 years ago to thinking there was in no doubt a conspiracy to now being conflicted. These have been some very informative videos!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Much appreciated! It's always great to learn something new and have our views challenged.

[@squillz8310]

​@@VloggingThroughHistoryI'm the same way! I tend to believe there was more than 1 shooter, but that Oswald did fire those 3 shots, of which 2 hit JFK fatally wounding him. There are just some details that stick out, as well as the extremely poorly conducted investigations following it that lead me to question it. However, I always leave my mind open with more room to learn new things! History is my absolute favorite because even things that are already concrete, like JFK's assassination, can leave so many questions unanswered.

[@stephenparker6362]

Hi, Chris, his work is so thoroughly researched I'm not surprised he doesn't produce many videos. I think people's memory of what they saw changes over time, they tend to embellish what they have seen.

[@davidjames579]

Asking more and more questions is actually quite a bad thing, as people just say the first thing that comes into their head. Which could be a fresh construct of their mind, rather than a recollection. People also want to be helpful, especially with a murder case, and provide answers when they may not actually have any.

[@janetphillips2875]

Pfffffftttt!!

[@robertfolker7688]

22:31 Makes a great point about how shots are usually not be identified well especially in stressful situations. When you witness a shooting, and you hear those first shots, there is confusion on what it could be, but when the realization that those are gunshots sets; that adrenaline kicks in hard. Your mind does not care about how many shots are being fired or specifically where they are coming from. Your mind and body are telling you to just get out of that area and reach safety as soon as possible.

[@KjartanAndersen]

The statement from the cop was very compelling. He has most certainly heard gunshots in the city before and was much aware of the problem locating the origin of the sound from all the echos produced by buildings. And the witnesses just below Oswald who heard three shots from above and the sounds of reloading that also was observed by a witness outside is, in my opinion, a slam dunk for the fact that three shots was fired from that window.

[@lorettabes4553]

I have never heard a gunshot in real life, so my instinct would probably be 'it must be fireworks'.

[@simonjames1604]

@@KjartanAndersen no witness observed anyone reloading, amos eunis was the sole witness who claims to have seen the gun fire, and his testimony is all over the place, he has no idea what color the shooter was , but does see his "bald spot " ( i have no idea how that works) and testifies to the TSBD shooter getting off 4 shots, which nobody anywhere seems to think is possible, the only other "witness" to the shooter at the TSBD was howard brennan who claims to never see the rifle fire or be reloaded and testified to hearing only one shot for ceratin although his testimony is so confused its not even clear how many shots he heard. he was a terrible witness and the 15 year old amos wasnt much better.

[@COwens]

30:00 Dave Reitzes writes that "Longtime researcher Gary Mack proposed a different theory. Mack analyzed several films, including footage shot by WFAA newsman Malcolm Couch, which captured officer Marrion Baker's sprint to the Book Depository. He concluded that Baker "didn't reach the front door until 40-45 seconds after the last shot. And that data means even more time elapsed than previously thought, thus allowing Oswald extra seconds to reach the lunchroom ahead of Baker. And that also means the two women employees went down the stairs ahead of Oswald and thus could not, and should not, have seen him....during the years that the public had access to the Texas School Book Depository building, numerous researchers were able to recreate Oswald's flight from the sixth floor to the second floor lunchroom without difficulty, and without being out of breath.

[@Ben-rh9kr]

While Vickie and Sandra went down fast by their own admission. Her boss Dorthy Gardner and several other women followed right after them but only to the back storage area to look out those windows on the West side on the fourth floor which were only two windows from the stairway they didn't see Oswald come down and they would have, they did see Truly and Officer baker though come up. Bonnie Ray Williams used the staircase after and he reported he saw the women looking out the windows, verifying they were there. But it also begs the question of when did Oswald change his clothes? Of the people who reported seeing the shooter before the motorcade arrive and as it was arriving, most of them said he had on a white or very light blue button-down color shirt with a collar. Oswald had on a reddish brown shirt and a stretched-out T-shirt that couldn't be confused with a button-down collar?

[@COwens]

@@Ben-rh9kr "But it also begs the question of when did Oswald change his clothes?" He did so when he got back to his apartment.

[@fiachramaccana280]

The question here is not how he got down in time. But how he got up in time. He was seen in the lunchroom minutes before the assassination. And got away with it only because the entourage was running late. How could he possibly know (1) the entourage was running late and (2) the right time to run upstairs just in time. Thats like turning up 10 minutes late for the train. And catching the train cos its 15 minutes late....... without knowing in advance the train would be late. Its called a fluke. Every assassin in history gets in place long before the target arrives. And waits patiently in place. Meanwhile our boy Oswald was apparently up and down from the 6th floor to the lunchroom like a yo yo......

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@fiachramaccana280 The time he was seen before the assassination has to be taken with a grain of salt, because typically people don't check their watch when they see people.

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@Edax_Royeaux why does it have to be taken with a grain of salt? You prove my point. The whole problem here for almost 60 is people dismissing multiple eye witness accounts that dont suit their POV. I am right......and the eyewitnesses are wrong....... LOL. Really???? I dont think so.

[@mrjellybeann2422]

I'm currently finishing my masters in criminology and i love how carefully you are taking note of the "evidence". People usually jump to conclusions way to fast without ever thinking about other possibilities. Taking all the other possibilities that come to mind through every step of the crime is incredibly important to make sure you dont get tunnel vision towards one conclusion.

[@ebert311]

I wonder and you are the expert in this. Because the investigations would have occurred after the murder of Oswald, would that affect the direction of the investigation. People would have believed Oswald did it based on newspaper and TV reports. Couldn't there be a silent bias towards confirming Oswald was the lone assassin?

[@mrjellybeann2422]

@@ebert311 Don't know the exact details of the case but I think the political situation during that time made people look for reasons on how the Soviet Union could have been involved. So I think it was the other way around and people were trying to confirm that he wasn't acting alone while there wasn't that much evidence for it. Not from the US myself so I could be wrong

[@davidjames579]

​@@mrjellybeann2422 I wondered if after the Cuban Missile Crisis and how close America came to war with The Soviet Union if people and the authorities were actually trying to find any excuse to not find The Soviets involved in this. Both America and The USSR covered up that Russian piloted jets on the North Korean side engaged in combat with American jets to avoid an official declaration of war, during The Korean War for instance. Oswald had basically defected to The USSR, as a Marxist, married a Soviet citizen, then came back to America, still a Marxist. Could have been perceived as a clear case of a Soviet supporting agent being trained and returning to carry out a mission.

[@JustWatchreviews]

One thing to note regarding the gunshots. At approximately 100 yards from where the shot was fired you would hear the sonic crack of the round going by, a split second before the report from the muzzle. This crack can sound a lot like a loud firecracker, or even a small caliber firearm, especially from a large caliber rifle like the one used by Oswald, (or whoever fired the shots). The sonic crack of the bullets would definitely throw people off as to which direction the firing was coming from, especially when combined with the accoustics of Dealey Plaza.

[@kiddeath96]

Zapruder originally attested to the gunshot coming from behind him or rather his rear. He felt it. But it could have come above.

[@kristoferpersson6751]

Also, consider that sound travels much slower than light, so if you were located at any sort of distance from the book depository, you would've seen Kennedy get shot before you heard the shot, which could surely add to the confusion of the shooter's location. Should also add that the flock of birds reacting to the shot would've had a delayed reaction if the shot had come from the grassy knoll, because of the slow speed of sound, but they seemed to have reacted immediately, which further supports the idea that the shots came from the book depository.

[@thomas_threat]

While it is true that sound travels much more slowly than light; nobody, and I mean nobody, in dealey plaza would have noticed any difference in sight to sound. In doing the calculations, we can find that there was only 0.13 seconds in between the time the bullets left the muzzle of the rifle and when they collided with their eventual mark. Meanwhile, it takes the human brain roughly 1/8 of a second to process a sight or sound, which would equate to 0.125 seconds. I can provide the equations used, but I just don't feel like typing them out currently. Don't get me wrong, I truly believe Oswald is our guy and that he acted of his own accord, but I simply didn't want anyone to think that there would have been any change in sight/sound ratio in that small of an area.

[@kristoferpersson6751]

@@thomas_threat I think you misunderstood my comment - if you were at a distance of say, 500 feet from the gun, and had your eyes fixated on the president, there would absolutely be a noticeable delay between the bullet hitting the president, and the sound of the weapon firing that same bullet reaching your ear. Wether you have time to process that delay consciously or not wasn't really relevant to my point, which was to say that light and sound travels at vastly different speeds, which can confuse you if you're not standing in the immediate area of the shooting.

[@thomas_threat]

@@kristoferpersson6751 If one wouldn't be able to consciously process the difference, it would not then, by definition, be noticeable. You seem to not quite understand the differences in visual and auditory processing, and might be surprised to learn that the brain processes sound faster than sight (140-160ms for sound with some studies showing 228ms, and 180-200ms for sight with those same alternate studies showing 331ms). I entirely understand what you're saying, and am in no way intending to come across as rude or argumentative, so if I am, I do apologize. The problem I'm having is that you're claiming there would (or could) be a noticeable difference in sight and sound of the event, when that is simply not true in this specific case. You also seem to be confusing the term "noticeable" for "quantifiable" or "calculable." While the difference in sight to sound would not in any way, to any person, at any distance in Dealey Plaza be noticeable, it could most certainly be quantifiable or calculable. As a man who has done these calculations personally, I would not argue that they aren't quantifiable.

[@kristoferpersson6751]

@@thomas_threat I'm quite sure that you have misunderstood what I am arguing - the further away you are from a sound source, the longer it will take that sound to reach your ear - I'm not talking about the time it takes to process these signals internally, I'm talking about mere physics. Think about what happens when the sound of the shot is hitting the nearby walls - there is a echo/slapback-delay. That delay can only occure if sound takes a certain time to travel back and forth, granted that the echo part of the sound has to travel a lot further to reach the ear. If you stood in the immediate plaza, you are very close to the sound source and therefore, as you say, won't notice any delay. However, and here's my entire point, if you are at a sufficient distance, the light hitting Kennedy's body as the bullet hits him, will reach your eyes noticeably sooner than the sound from the gun hits your ear drum. This is the same reason why marching bands and orchestras are going by visual cue, rather than audible/musical cues - if you go by the sound, you're already too late.

[@harshulbarooah6556]

​​@@kristoferpersson6751 But the point is if you were close enough to Kennedy during the assassination that you could be considered a somewhat *useful* witness to the police, no, you can't tell the difference. It doesn't matter if sound *technically* reaches your ears .1 secs after light in that situation, or hell, I'll be generous and say .15 secs. It doesn't matter, your brain isn't that fast, and so you will hear the gunshot EXACTLY when you see Kennedy get shot. Your brain will not be able to tell that there was a time difference between you seeing it and hearing the shot, cause human brains aren't fast enough to pick up such tiny moments in time and register it in memory. So, if you were far enough away when the shots were fired that you even kind of registered a tiny lag between seeing it and hearing it, then that also means your testimony about what exactly happened when the shots were fired aren't useful, cause you were too far away from the location in that specific moment

[@jordantowner5995]

This isn't the kind of video I would expect to laugh at, but the testimony of the 'bald spot' guy was hilarious!

[@davidjames579]

He was fixated on it. Like he'd been given one detail to remember, and nothing else.

[@simonjames1604]

as amos eunis dad was quoted as saying " you cant believe anything that boy said"

[@simonjames1604]

@@davidjames579 he steadfastly maintained the tsbd shooter got off 4 shots that didnt go over well at the WRC as you can imagine, but hey parse the testimony you like and leave the rest..its the lone nut way.

[@josemenendez4454]

This is very good yet Vince Bugliosi's Reclaiming History is the final word.

[@billkeon880]

Oswald was a 24 year old ex-Marine, very fit. Descending 4 flights of stairs can be done in less than 30 seconds if you’re in a hurry. Same for crossing the 6th floor to get to stairwell. 20 (run) to 30 seconds (fast walk). Try that distance yourself and see. Same for walking from rooming house to the Tippit murder scene. Even walking at 4 miles per hour (hurried walk, no run) takes 15 min to walk a mile

[@davidjames579]

I always wondered where Oswald was going after leaving the Rooming House. Did he have an escape plan? Was he going to meet up with Marina?

[@billkeon880]

@@davidjames579 plans weren’t known. He probably expected to be caught or shot, so he was possibly just winging it. He lived in Oak Cliff and it was a long bus or taxi ride to Marina’s, so walking would have been very long. Plus he was walking south-east and Marina lived north-west from the rooming house. He was probably looking for a place to hide out, or for a bus out of town or toward Mexico. He left his $170 life savings and wedding ring with Marina while she was sleeping when he went to work that morning. A further indication he expected to die or get caught.

[@davidjames579]

@@billkeon880 Thanks for answering. Something that always bugged me that was what he did after leaving the rooming house. I understand he couldn't stay there as he knew the Police would soon identify him as having skipped work and come to check up on him as a suspect. Plus his fingerprints were on the rifle and shells. Does make you wonder if it was a last minute plan to shoot JFK as he hadn't even thought what to do if he pulled it off. He only went to his lodgings for the revolver which for some reason he hadn't taken with him when he went back to get the 'Curtain Hooks'. Which might indicate when he decided to do the assassination: the day before while at work.

[@jetcat132]

@@davidjames579I don’t believe he had a plan. Maybe he thought he could catch a bus to Mexico, but his behavior after the assassination was bizarre enough to indicate how disturbed he was.

[@jetcat132]

@@davidjames579Remember he didn’t go to the rooming house on the evening of the 21st, he went straight to Ruth Paine’s house, which, incidentally, was something he had never done before on a Thursday night. He very likely didn’t have the .38 and ammo with him when he rode to work with Frazier that morning, so he picked it up as a last desperate measure.

[@redefv]

Today's recap definitely changed my mind! I always used to think there was another shooter. That chart with the small blue wedges was good!

[@charlesreid9337]

Just finding out how he got the job and how and when he found out Kennedy was coming sealed it for me. And I have spent my entire life thinking The CIA probably did it

[@franzferdinand5810]

When I finished it just left me yearning for more. I really want him to go further and examine the Warren commission, the police radio recordings, the Zapruder film, all of it! Such a great docu maker

[@simonjames1604]

since he took a rather simple "lone nut" approach you could guess how he would have handled those things that clearly pointed in other directions.

[@Derren82]

Your commentary during your reactions are second to none! It's always a pleasure, especially this video covering one of my favorite historical topics.

[@alexbarber3310]

Don’t know if there is a video about this but in the past I went down a huge rabbit hole about what happened to JKFs brain. It was very interesting to say the least since it has been “lost to history”. Thought it might make a good video topic in the future, or even just an interesting rabbit hole for anyone reading this comment.

[@simonjames1604]

i think the general consensus now is that bobby took it and buried it with his brothers body.

[@Mr.Dobalina_Mr.BobDobalina]

Fascinating stuff. We are so fortunate to learn more about the assassination from both Chris and Lemmino. Thank you!

[@simonjames1604]

neither of them know the terrain very well, they make some pretty baseless claims, and chris deletes comments that point out obvious mistakes made be either him or lemmino

[@billkeon880]

The 3 guys on the fifth floor gave the best specific descriptions of the shots because they were the closest of anybody (10 feet below the rifle). Amazing that Oswald shot with bystanders so close by, but he didn’t give a damn. It was his time. Bonnie Ray Williams could have stayed on the 6th floor. Also: Almost two minutes to get four floors to the lunchroom is a long time. Running at a 4 minute mile pace, you can get half a mile distance in two minutes. 1 min, 30 sec can get you 2/5 of a mile.

[@SMTraz]

Amazing job with the reaction to LEMMiNO. You're adding a lot of great content and things to think about!

[@sld1776]

So, Oswald, a completely innocent man, decides to go home, one of the few (only?) employee to do so . Then he changes his clothes, takes a revolver, and, once challenged by a police man, shoots him dead. He then sneaks into a movie theater, and, once challenged by police, tries to shoot them too Pure coincidence.

[@kiddeath96]

Oswald having a gun in Texas was no odd. Him blasting a guy name Tippit is interesting. Not in that guy's favor. Some argue another man or two hiding away from tippit. Btw, The star witness lied about speaking to a dying Tippit. She was hysterical.

[@charlesreid9337]

​@@kiddeath96 no that is a very 2024 take. People didn't start fetishizing guns till Reagan decided black people shouldn't have guns add pushed gun control through in California. When I was young hunters would stick their hunting rifle and a rack in the back of their pickup at no one thought anything of it. But if you walked into a store play armed with a pistol the police would have showed up pretty quickly asking you why you're carrying a gun in the store. People who carry guns everywhere were seen as either criminals or cowards. You solve things with your fists not a gun. Also carrying a pistol with a 26 round mag for taking a semi-auto M16 anywhere but a firing range could have been seen as bizarre. People generally I'm shotguns and maybe a 30-06. And possibly a 38 or something for home defense

[@kiddeath96]

@@charlesreid9337 hmm. Okay. First to say this but doesn't mean wrong. I'm not text and under wasn't living until long after the 60s.

[@PanthersJaww]

Give you so many props that you talk about your biases, top tier commentary my man

[@orwellboy1958]

As a Brit. I'm learning so much. I'd just like to reinforce what Chris said about sound bouncing around of other buildings, I live near an international airport, if you stand in my garden (back yard for Americans) if you don't know, you can't tell where the sound of aircraft taking off and landing is coming from, it bounces off my neighbours houses.

[@philadelphia0collins]

I have zero gun training. I have zero military training. I went to the school book depository and they have the floor above where Oswald took the shot open for you to look down. I have enough irrational confidence to think I could at least hit the car three times in that time span. It is really really close, photos of it do no justice -- you really have to see it to understand how close everything is. Give me a focused marine with a 4x scope on a gun that I assume is very well maintained, it's entirely plausible that Oswald was the only gunmen. Any conspiracy behind any other involvement I believe is completely open to debate (CIA, mafia, etc). I've closed the book on this personally in terms of the shooter: it was Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository with the M91 bolt action rifle.

[@bromeatmeco8611]

Thanks for covering this. I think your Congress of Vienna (from Historia Civilis) was my first video I saw from you, and I like the insight you provide while still keeping it accessible. I really liked your reactions to the King John videos, and am really glad to see you covering this series as well.

[@dylanmunguia7514]

Really happy to see your reactions to his video VTH! Thanks for seeing my comment! Waiting for part 3!

[@kayzeaza]

My question would be If Oswald didn’t do it than why did he leave in the middle of a work day?

[@Jason-35D]

All of this is phenomenal. From the original video to your input is great.

[@abnerultimate]

There was no conspiracy. Oliver Stone did, in fact, engage in one though.

[@MiguelJackson22]

Random KZbin comment has solved the case

[@MichaelBOverthinking]

When I was young and after I had first watched Oliver Stone's "JFK" I was sure that there was a conspiracy. I feel now that Oswald acted alone. Because the thing about a conspiracy is that it's very hard to keep everyone in on it quiet for the amount of years that have passed. Sometimes "Rosebud" is just a sled.

[@davebarrowcliffe1289]

Except Oswald was an intelligence operative, with a background in intelligence operations, who was surrounded by people deeply involved in intelligence operations... This is a matter of record.

[@charlesreid9337]

​@@davebarrowcliffe1289he absolutely was not. This is flat-out made of b*******. He was enlisted in the army. He worked at a radar facility that required a secret clearance. I have a secret clearance. You know who else has a secret clearance probably 10% of the military. They literally just go check your background. Oswald tried to be a double agent and the Soviets laughed at it

[@charlesreid9337]

Even the conspiracy theorists laugh at that movie. It's claims are just so utterly ridiculous

[@Nerd_kpop123]

Been watching your videos for a while, thank you for your positive vibes. I love history. Keep doing what you love and keep spreading positivity. 🙏❤️🌎

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Much appreciated. Glad you're here!

[@jilldesruisseau]

Just found these and the original video and your commentary are all amazing. I know what I'm watching the rest of this week when I'm WFH. :) Keep up the great work, this is fabulous.

[@m1xtin]

Thank you for making these videos. I haven’t watched you that much, but I very much enjoyed your video. You added much more information that was very interesting to hear. Either i’m in a good mood, or you’re simply an awesome creator. I think both :)

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I'll take it! Glad you're here.

[@spencerheaton3332]

Chris is trying as hard as he can to not say "lemmino" because he knows someone will criticize it lol

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

FACTS.

[@samuelterry6354]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Lemmino when you know how to say it.

[@djJaXx101]

I remember seeing a video about how people have an incredibly hard time determining the direction of a sound when it comes from above them. The ears are not designed to understand sound that comes from above. its why dogs tilt their heads, to better determin sound direction. I think it was a "Smarter every day" or "Mark rober" video. Found it: Shooting Down a Lost Drone and why Dogs Tilt their Heads - Smarter Every Day 173

[@mikhailavandermerwe5636]

Lemino is just such an ace content creator. Legit, he is such a treat to this platform.

[@benaldhofland2617]

aw yeah, was waiting for part two!

[@raskeshades208]

Im 99% sure it was LEMINOs Jack The Ripper that lead me to the VTH universe. Loving the pieces of knowledge and great commentary you always bring to the videos.

[@J_Halcyon]

This interviewer... "Why didn't you go up to the sixth floor?" Maybe because there's a known armed person who has demonstrated willingness to shoot at people up there?

[@isaacibanezlopez9101]

Mr Chris you made my day. I thought this video will come till Monday. I appreciated your reactions.

[@MegaCoupie]

Cant wait for the next part very exciting !!

[@silverose9238]

“Why didnt you go up to the 6th floor where you had just heard multiple gunshots” wtf is that interviewer thinking 😂

[@johngaudet7363]

That guy seeing someone in the Book Depository building while in another building over 200 meters away is a mess

[@rosaeruber225]

People will say anything for clout.

[@hakonjensen2214]

Love your content man🙌🙌

[@cgmasson]

Despite a number of comments about how evidence does not rule out Oswald, it equally does not rule out a conspiracy of which Oswald was a conspirator. It’s often posed as either/or, however that feels to be a logical step too far.

[@perpetual_suffering1458]

I mean the problem is that theres 0 evidence (at least that im aware of) that this was an organized conspiracy. And all the coincidences involved in olwald happening to get a job in a building that was about to overlook the presidents motorcade. From the evidence im aware of, this screams like it was just unfortunate oppertunity. Oswald (a communist) just coincidentally found himself in the right place at the right time to assasinate the president

[@charlesreid9337]

When you make a claim you need evidence to back it up. Magical thinking internet whack jobs have decided they can claim something and then people have to disprove them. That is not how logic works

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

For those wondering how the heck sound could seem to come from a different direction than it actually did, I’ll give an example that I’ve observed that is quite striking. I go to the University of Houston. On campus, there are two dorms that are located next to each other in a very strange shape (look up a map if you’re curious) that are called Cougar Villages 1&2. Meanwhile, on the other side of campus is the stadium. Sometimes, as you’re walking by Cougar Villages 1&2, the sound of the band playing at the stadium seems to be coming from the gap between the dorms, and as you get closer to the gap, it gets louder, and as you continue to walk towards the stadium but away from the gap, it gets quieter. If you walked a blind man past the buildings at the point in time, he would swear the sound was coming from between the buildings.

[@HorneATL]

19:53 Thank you for mentioning the light pole!! Max Holland did a great dissection on that exact point regarding the first shot! Check out the official U.S. Secret Service film on the assassination and Holland suggests you can see the hole in the traffic light frame caused by the first bullet.

[@simonjames1604]

it makes no sense, as someone who has fired a rifle a few times, you got a 4x scope and a short shot you are going to SEE anything that comes between you and your target, so people who keep insisting it hit either a lamp post or a traffic light or street sign dont know much about shooting, or oswald was in fact a terrible shot ( assuming its him) at least for one shot, suddenly he is better than most other riflemen in the world on the next two more difficult shots. it seems to make perfect sense until you actually think about it, then it makes almost no sense at all.

[@KoolaidJaminBoyz]

Was waiting for this

[@amoghgodbole6168]

Loving this so much

[@krebsgewehr]

This is a great video and reaction series I guess you could say. His work is phenomenal definitely agree that some channel should pick him up for a series or something. So good narration wise but also does all the research and puts everything together, just wild.

[@charlieghague]

One thing they never talk about is the sound a bullet makes as it passes the sound barrier. If you're standing a certain distance away and a round goes by, you'll hear the sonic boom and the report of the rifle. That alone could account for a vast majority of discrepancies between how many gunshots people heard. Most likely a lot of them just heard the sonic boom and mistook it for a gunshot.

[@la95921]

2:38 I’m 16 and have grey hair coming in! I used to think grey was reserved for the elderly, but not anymore.

[@Forty7-Twenty7]

That interesting, I’ve seen some people who have a few strands of their hair turn grey fairly young but the rest stays the same color, it looks pretty cool

[@commanderosis435]

If you remember the Micah Johnson police murders in 2016 they originally thought there were at least 2 possibly 3 snipers in and around the area due to acoustics. Sound does strange things when it echoes off of structures.

[@MannyBXNG]

First part was incredible and so is this one 🙌

[@davidjames579]

People say 30 seconds like "I'll be there in 30 seconds" and they actually mean 2 minutes, maybe longer. I think pride, probably unconsciously plays a part. They don't want to seem to act slow, or think slow, so tell themselves it must have only been 30 seconds before they went downstairs.

[@Little-Dude]

Barbara Rowland was a savage for how she read her husband. No hesitation, lmao.

[@svenrio8521]

17:12 A famous example of acoustic shadow is at Seven Pines when Gen. Joseph Johnston is only 2 miles away from D.H Hills attack, yet cannot hear the battle occurring. But I'm sure you already knew that Chris 😏

[@barryirvin2417]

First shot isn’t X . 2 nd and 3 rd shots are X . You’re very good at this and make a compelling case for Oswald’s guilt . Great job .

[@kellinwinslow1988]

This is an event that wasn't equaled until the assassination of John Lennon,which hit me even harder even though I was only 11 when Lennon was killed and didn't know much about him. Joseph Campbell talked about both of the events in mythology terms and both were changing points in American history. Great job with your reaction video. Lemmno has some other great videos to check out some time.

[@brianhatfield2255]

I went hunting deer once with my dad, and I had excellent hearing at the time and wasn’t wearing anything over my ears on a clean, crisp morning in the Rocky Mountains. He harvested a deer with a 7mm Remington, which is louder than the gun used by LHO, from less than 100 yards away just over a hill, and I never heard a sound.

[@brianhatfield2255]

I remember it vividly because he was upset that I didn’t come help field dress and drag the deer to the truck. This was 30 years ago…he’s 80 and I’m 50.

[@wlam205]

Ah just as my feed had run dry on anything watchable, along drops the most anticipated of videos debuting on KZbin today 😅😂😊!!

[@Taskicore]

This is one of the reasons I think we give too much credence to eyewitness testimony in criminal trials. Even just a few months after an event, somebody's memory could have severely altered a critical fact. I've had it happen within my own memory plenty of times.

[@untruelie2640]

Both human perception and memory are incredibly unreliable. As far as I know, eyewitness testimonies are seen as the weakest form of evidence in modern criminology and justice, and for good reason. And if we add Ockham's razor, nothing in this case points me toward a conspiracy of any kind. Everything can be easily be explained by uncertainty, unreliable eyewitnesses and sloppy police work.

[@Taskicore]

I knew a girl who got married at 16. I thought it was kinda sketchy but her husband was only 18 so it wasn't really THAT bad. I still think it's weird though. Probably too early for either of them to get married imo. Edit: This is because of the Rowlands having been married while still in high school. It's semi-relevant.

[@davidjames579]

Maybe they found out Barbara was pregnant.

[@Taskicore]

@@davidjames579 Could be.

[@simonjames1604]

tippett murder scene witness virginia davis was 15 and had a child arleady. and her testimony to the WRC is beyond weird, child brides were clearly an every day thing in dallas at that time.

[@vicenteochoa6498]

Best reaction videos on KZbin.

[@Zay13378]

Love this channel

[@jackmessick2869]

Excellent study and summary of acoustics.

[@jamesfetherston1190]

Good analysis of the problems of eyewitness testimony and the ways that we often construct and reconstruct memory.

[@theofficialy1b]

Let’s goooo part 2! 🎉

[@howardmackie9097]

I believe it was a nova documentary, where these crimes in forensic analyst, analyze the ballistics of the shots, and confirm that it was at least possible for the RV Oswald to have shot the president, and then all of the characteristics of the shooting match with that only the ballistics, but also human physiology as far as the president, lurching backwards and what not fantastic documentary worth a watch. Great reaction is always love your stuff. Keep up the good work.

[@samuellimrick514]

great content, keep it up

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@billkeon880]

The motorcade was filled with noisy motorcycles that could easily confuse between a gunshot and backfire

[@obsidimanjones3698]

I appreciate the fact that you admit your bias comes into play while watching. Not to say that was you think and theorize is right or wrong, but it's good to point out that people can interpret the evidence and testimony to fit their conclusions.

[@astaboy]

Bottom line? OCCAM'S RAZOR. If you posit Lee Oswald as the lone killer, all the arrows click in place. (yes, there are anomalies, but the difference of remembered details-for me- resonates with that hard smack of reality) If you posit it was the Government, all the arrows fly in different directions. And hit each other.

[@simonjames1604]

depends on how you read the story , if you apply occams razor to certain incidents in the story , the case against oswald starts to fall apart, wesley frazier says the package was too small to contain a rifle and he maintains to this day oswald was not the shooter, so theres one arrow bouncing away from what people THINK frazier believes. oswald pulls a gun on a dallas cop in the theater but isnt charged with attempted murder? occams razor would suggest he wasnt charged because this was just some nonsense the cops made up and they didnt charge him because it never happened, so suddenly the idea that someone was setting up oswald has some actual fire to go with the smoke, helen markham the LONE witness to the shooting of tippett places the time of the murder FAR earlier than the WRC is willing to admit, seeing it as happening no later than 1 10 suddenly oswald couldnt be at the murder scene, another arrow starts to wobble out of the picture....the case against oswald was paper thin and i doubt it could have been made on the tippett case at all, the jfk case ? probably if they could realyl make the rifle stick to oswald but the evidence is far thinner than videos like this are comfortable with, as a defense lawyer i would have called every grassy knoll witness and every parkland doctor i could find and drive a bus laod of reasonable doubt to the matter, and thats something this video doesnt want to address, by focusing mostly on the TSBD for most of the video you aviod all those contradictory statements from some pretty solid eyewitnesses. oswald had a fighting chance to win either case even if he was guilty. and a lot of people are not comfortable with that reality. which is weird, its almost as if they prefer that ruby took away oswalds right to defend himself against these accusations .again he might have been guilty but he deserved his day in court.

[@astaboy]

@@simonjames1604 WOW. That is one long tangled response. Something tells me you don't quite 'get' Occam's Axiom.

[@simonjames1604]

@@astaboy i get it, i just dont think folks know how to USE it. if oswald pulled a gun on a dallas cop and wasnt charged with the crime whats the most reasonable explanation? well with no charge that usually means no crime, so a cop SAID oswald did something he didnt do and therefore no charges were laid, its just simple common sense.

[@RK-ln6kg]

I'm enjoying this content. I believe every witness wud counter argue each one. Nobody cud give an accurate account what happened.

[@toddhemphill1030]

As an ex-conspiracy buff I'm often struck by how illogical my original thinking was. For example; if Oswald was actually in the lunch room during the shooting and was being framed, would the people who were framing him have allowed him to roam about the building during the shooting? Wouldn't they have had to isolate Oswald so he wouldn't have an alibi? He never claimed that he was detained in any way. There's dozens of problems with conspiracy theories when you start asking logical questions. Could the conspirators have known that the bullet that struck Connally wouldn't still be in him when they planted the stretcher bullet? Would a hit man, Ruby, show up 30 minutes late for the hit and shoot his victim once in the stomach, while leaving his favorite dog in the car? Would you hide your second gunman in a busy parking lot behind the fence on the grassy knoll where the gunshot could be photographed from across the street. The list goes on and on.

[@simonjames1604]

not sure what any of this does to disprove a conspiracy, ruby shot oswald in the perscriped manner, low to damage as many organs as possible, which it succeeded in doing, oswald was a goner from the moment ruby got off his very destructive shot. as to his dog? he left one at home, does that mean anything? if the parking lot was so busy why did the police not seal it after the assination until long after a few cars left? the question of the parkland stretcher bullet, who knows what anyone was thinking on that one? ce 399 is a bullet with a weak providence , it seems to serve no function at all but to tie the shooting to oswald it sure doesnt look like a bullet that shot anyone and nobody who originally saw the bullet claims its the one from the gurney. and if there were conspirators trying to frame oswald what would they do ? shoot him to keep him wandering around the building? hold him by force? that assumes that oswald was not part of the shooting which is impossible to determine, oswald COULD have been part of a conspiracy but not the shooter, or he could have been a conspirator and the shooter or he could have just been the wrong guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. jack ruby the man who loved kennedy so much he skipped watching the parade ended all that speculation , no trial, no answers, just well guess oswald did it , dont ask any tough questions and move on. i have no idea if oswald did it or not, and most other folks dont either, the evidence is a mess and at least cpt fritz was an honest enough man to admit the case against oswald was paper thin,

[@charlesreid9337]

That wasn't your fault. Too much information with conspiracy theorists only presenting the information favorable to them while intentionally excluding the facts unfavorable to their theory is how this happens. Add into that people seem to have a built-in need to believe whatever people tell them. There is a whole lot of that in politics right now.

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

I used to live 1 block from a football ground (Ayresome Park Middlesbrough, U.K.) and during a game you would not hear the crowd until you got some 2 miles away then suddenly you would hear the game. Partly the rising of the ground, partly the buildings, but you could not hear 20+ thousand people at times from very close until the topography allowed it.

[@iracordem]

yup. as a kid my band had just bought a PA system, and we knew what it would do. the cops responded to cleveland road 3/4 miles away just to hear me say ‘hello cleveland road, we love you’ echoing off the hills. they triangulated to next door where you could barely hear us. but we could REALLY hear us

[@KevsEssentials]

Loving the Ipswich Shirt mate 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@CorgiConnect]

I saw and commented on Lemmino's video just yesterday, and developed some thoughts on it. I commented that it is a very well done video, great production value and informative. In the effort to continue a conversation that many of us will have probably for the rest of our lives, below are my observations of the case. While I can respect the conclusion they come to at the end, I fear that there, as stated, there is much more to the story of Oswald's life and all the happenings in the Kennedy administration leading up to the shooting than what you can cover in one video. At the time, it was stated that Oswald was a Marine drop out, communist sympathizer, Russian defector that he had the personality profile of a mental case (or something along those lines). Since then, we find he was stationed in Japan and involved with U2 spy plane work, and worked in Naval intelligence. Managed to defect to Russia during the cold war, marry, have children, and re-enter the USA. At that time, you would have to have some contact with government to move about the planet like this. So, while I respect your conclusion, I still will always feel as though Oswald was very much involved, but not alone and his role in this will never be fully understood. What makes this case so difficult is that there are so many involved, with contradictory stories, and you would have to consider an agency like the CIA would have the ware-withal to coerce, threaten, or even inject other people and stories into the mix as the years went on to perpetuate the cover up. We are talking about the death of the POTUS after all, during a time where global affairs could go sideways real quick. Having most of DC immediately go into "oh-sh%t" mode after the shooting would be worthy to explain a lot of the weirdness we know now. As with all good research, I learn something, and I certainly learned something here that created even more suspicion for me. Apparently, Charles Givens engaged conversation with Oswald with the following, "Boy, are you going downstairs". That seems an odd choice of words to me, the fact that a black man would address any white man like that at this point in time. Even though both were just warehouse co-workers, that just stands out to me. Almost as though that part of the testimony was written by someone white, not really realizing, from their point of view, that a black man would more likely not have expressed the question that way. We know that the official Warren report of that time had testimony either left out or revised in the final report and its anomalies such as this that stick out to researchers. It may mean something, it may mean nothing. What I have trouble with is why would Oswald be in such a hurry to get to that particular theater if not to meet with someone for direction. You would think there would be plenty of places to disappear into in the surrounding blocks of downtown. Instead, he grabs a bus, gets off the bus when it gets stuck in traffic, then gets a cab back to his apartment for a change of clothes and a gun, then to that particular theater on Jefferson, why? Would have been easier to hide nearby until later. Stay on the bus stuck in traffic, who's going to find you for a while. He HAD to get to that theater for a specific meeting with a specific person, and that someone stood him up. As life goes on, I often observe that when something big like this happens, the current on the spot reporting (often referred to as sketchy details) wind up being some of the more compelling evidence. Evidence that comes up out of the pandemonium just after the event, where people will say what they heard and saw at the time, unfiltered, and with no time for thought and later editing. Like the radio recording of police saying that they need to find out what happened at the triple overpass. Like two motorcycle cops laying down their bikes to go up that grass hill next to the pergola. Like the family that hit the dirt, standing in front of the pergola, fearful of their lives and giving a statement on local news that day that they heard a shot go over their head. Like the three railroad workers that saw smoke from the trees and two of them running down to that area behind the fence. The various private and professional photos and films showing just after the motorcade sped away where you see just as many people near the grass area as at the building. One could go on. Again, thanks for this presentation, I will be looking into your other works just based on your production skills alone. One thing for sure, this case will not be leaving the public eye anytime soon. In addition, there were comments in your part 1 of this video review citing the head wound and that the autopsy photos do not show exit wound to the rear. Apparently, in the '90s, the ARRB (Assassination Records Review Board, a governmental committee tasked with re-investigating JFK and MLK deaths) interviewed the photographer, who was still alive at the time, that took the autopsy photos on that day. When they had him look at the autopsy photos from the National Archives, he stated that those were not the photos he took, they were not even on the brand of film he used. I am sorry, but this is just one of those details that will always make me deny any claim of what those photos show as being credible evidence as well as anything the Warren Report says. We can say that Oswald acted alone all day, and find out that is the truth, but there WAS a coverup. As I said above, a coverup in the madness of the time to keep the US in a strong position geo-politcally and for the US people to move on quickly from it, sure, makes sense to me. We will never know the entire absolute truth of the case.

[@nickfisher8569]

I don’t know about anyone else, but if I was in a building and heard gunshots coming from the floor above me, that’d be the last place I’d want to go

[@michaelfasher]

I did jury service and at a bank robbery a witness was two meters away from one of the robbers and based on CCTV footage he got absolutely everything wrong but he ran out of the bank and got the number plate of the car dead right.

[@sbgm-qz3ik]

Love the west brom hoodie

[@xess4168]

I’ve been at the patent office right across the street from the courthouse l, and you can see the sixth floor extremely clearly, but that’s possibly only just because now that window is different from the rest of the windows and historical hindsight.

[@johnmiwa6256]

The spray from Kennedy's head traveled forward. Therefore the bullet came from behind. It's that simple.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

It's also clearly on the right front of his head, exactly where it would be based on his position when he was shot if the shot came from the depository.

[@johnmiwa6256]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Yes. I focus on the Zapruder film because a picture is worth a thousand words. I avoid people who display a penchant towards conspiracy thinking. If someone cannot admit that the bullet had to come from behind I know I am dealing with someone who needs a conspiracy to have occurred.

[@JustWatchreviews]

How do you explain the chunks of Kennedy's skull that were on the trunk? (including one very large one that Jackie picked up) I've shot lots of stuff and never seen any chunks land that far in front of the target. I'm not arguing for a conspiracy theory, just find that interesting to consider.

[@johnmiwa6256]

@@JustWatchreviews 7 If you have ever watched a slow-mo film of a ceramic object being shot, you'll know that the fragments can scatter in all sorts of directions. This is because elastic energy is built up in the bonds between the atoms before they separate brittlely. When the bonds are broken this stored energy is released and can propel the fragments in different directions. Soft tissue like blood and brain have no such dynamic. The molecules are going to go in the direction of the propellant, with fluid wave dynamics accounting for the outward spreading of the matter. That's the best answer I can give based on my knowledge of materials science. I suppose testing on models is the only way to be sure.