The Kooky Case of Raven Abaroa

Raven Abaroa was happily married and life was good. Until it wasn't, of course. When tragedy struck his wife, the investigation eventually led to this man, who claimed to be completely innocent. Years would go by, and his future wife, too, would realise he was not who she thought. Then a bit of digging found the smallest contradiction in his story.
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[@chriscole4717]

Several years ago, I would lay on my couch for days, going through opioid withdrawal, watching That Chapter. I was addicted to the meds I was prescribed at 15 for two sports related knee operations. So in the middle of my agony I looked for a distraction; this channel gave me that. This channel provided me with, at the time, a full week worth of content to soak up. Here I am, 3 years sober now, and That Chapter is still a place of comfort for me. Cheers, Mike. Thanks for keeping me distracted in the best way.

[@bethoc7221]

I’m currently in the same situation as you were. You’re incredible to get through! Congrats to you! It’s one of the hardest things to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy xxx

[@MilesWilliams88]

Hey man, congrats! I was on opioids from the age of 19 to 26. I went from OC's to eventually Heroine. I went to jail in 2014 because of it. I went through withdraws in jail. It was hell, but I'm glad it happened. Cheers to you for getting clean! Keep it up!🤙

[@MilesWilliams88]

@@bethoc7221 You can do it.🤙

[@VickingNickCoaching]

Only quitters quit 💪

[@AmandaWeeg]

Chris, I’m rooting for you!! 💕

[@jordanowens6253]

One of the things that makes this channel feel "home" is the lack of Mike hyping up the subscribe button "and make sure you hit that like button" like we don't know how youtube works. Thank you TC!!

[@expressivepets1]

Ha. Mike is delft...he's got it covered. My favorite is Mr Ballen...he just rags on the like button. Love both of these guys.

[@Sassysephardi]

Totally!!! Feels like no BS

[@MFobes]

@@expressivepets1 I’ve heard others do that since and it just feels like a direct copy haha. Can’t steal from the best

[@cozmikfunkrabbitt30]

when they do that I don't hit the like button

[@kevinmiller4371]

@Cozmik funk rabbitt Haha..I tell people I'm grown until it comes to you telling me what to do, then I act like a child and forget how to listen.

[@AlexiLaihoFan]

"Because she had LIFE INSURANCE BABY". That's why this channel is better than anything on Netflix or cable television.

[@Paul-yq2ls]

Hell yeah, you said it! I always look forward for his next show

[@robertfish4734]

I wonder, does he have to pay back the life insurance?

[@mjgasiecki]

I know the guy is guilty but we need to stop looking down on suspects using their constitutional right to have an attorney…there is plenty of videos where the police zero in on the wrong suspect early and prosecute them with terrible evidence and somehow get a conviction. Do not talk to the cops without an attorney, ever…

[@amandagrace3588]

“If you’re guilty, you really need an attorney. If you’re innocent, you really REALLY need an attorney.” Forget where I heard that.

[@JohnSaysHi]

100% agree. Never speak to police without a lawyer, and NEVER take a polygraph. They're total junk science, inadmissible in court, and if you are innocent and pass they don't care, but if you fail then they assume you're guilty

[@o.hernandez784]

​@@amandagrace3588 saul Goodman.

[@haley746]

Better look guilty than to be found guilty by a jury

[@Nunyabiz29485]

Amen to THAT!!

[@tiffaninichole]

Only Mike could insert a singing, dancing “ life insurance “ bit in the MIDDLE of a serious moment and make it work! 😂

[@michaelchristopher461]

It's crazy that like 90% of the cases he covers involve life insurance

[@carlycaye90]

my favorite part of his videos is the life insurance dance

[@conversationalshaving9805]

Agree.

[@jerseystrongg2g352]

Love when he does that! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@janetwestwood9194]

🕺🏻💃🤺 ☝ 🇬🇧

[@xshymex]

There's a couple with financial issues and the spouse dies? A tale as old as time

[@Medicatedmunchies]

And don’t forget the baby on the way

[@dreeemer]

... true as it can be

[@ruxandramariatonea6498]

Barely even friends Then somebody bends Unexpectedly…

[@Belladonna313]

“Just a little change Small, to say the least Both a little scared Neither one prepared Beauty and the Beast 🎶 “

[@realtalk7832]

Usually only in highly religious families..regular people just cheat and run off with the new partner

[@jaycievictory8461]

As a general side note, I find it crazy that you can be in jail for four years waiting for a trial. You could be totally innocent and have to be behind bars for that long just waiting. Yeesh.

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

@Nikki: With 500K he almost certainly could have bought the court. They're absolutely for sale.

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

See Nancy Schaefer's videos for more information.

[@darienbrewer8317]

Yep, courts get backed up. He had to wait on a list until his time came.

[@patrickpelletier3104]

@swingshift I see your point. But to play devil's advocate I also don't want a psycho killer out on the loose for the three or four years it takes to convict him...

[@mpayne8206]

@@patrickpelletier3104 the correct answer is that arnett government needs to get their s*** together and do things in a timely fashion. Whether it's law and order, spending or regulating.... They are terrible and would never make it in the private sector

[@ramadiii]

There's something about the way Raven acts after that phone call "I need to win the lottery". It speaks to me like a man who's always looking for the quick and easy way out. Like this one thing would solve everything, maybe like he thought a murder would solve the previous problem he was having.

[@ritawashere5787]

When I saw the video clip of him showing off a knife. I could see how selfish he is. And really how strange his thought process is. He said this is my new knife, I got it for Christmas, I bought it for myself, my dad would be so proud, because I collect them. WTF She equates Pride with possessions? He's a real mental defective.

[@ritawashere5787]

Yes, that phone call. It makes me wonder what was he doing the 15 seconds prior to dialing 911. Was he giving himself that pep talk and then started the fake hyperventilate? That interview of him acting was crazy. I think the timestamp was 945 he said I want some coffee and he giggled. The director immediately says okay we are off and running, no sooner did the director say running that Ravens face got sad and he put the little tremble in his voice. It's amazing how fast he can go from laughing to crying?

[@dtiebel9794]

My thoughts exactly

[@JamieAug]

​@@ritawashere5787my husband's from India and it's quite common for them (their culture) to equate pride with possessions. They congratulate each other on a new, top-of-the-line TV, car, house, etc...you name it. Keeping up with the Jones is a huge thing for them. It is here somewhat too. Maybe not as bad though. I think you already see him in a negative light and automatically interpret that scene negatively because of it. Not that I liked him. Personally, I'm so turned off when my husband's relatives brag. They brag to anyone because status and material possession is what brings them a sense of pride. Anyway, that's all I got.

[@laragara]

@@JamieAug Unfortunately wives and children are often counted the same way---- as possessions!!!

[@Undefined9]

"I'm taking an Alford Plea." Judge: "Oh, That's So Raven!" Couldn't resist.

[@kristamcphail4886]

👍🏼👍🏼😂

[@kelsipullen1600]

This needs more likes, this comment is pure gold 😮‍💨

[@lolaspratt5860]

Perfect. Simply perfect 😂

[@chandrabrown1622]

😂

[@kamya7104]

Damn it 😂😂😭

[@BurnEdOutOne]

I was 90% sure his second wife who ignored all the red flags was about to be a second victim. She probably thinks about that a lot.

[@bookapillar]

Same😩

[@jadezee6316]

diont worry this guy will be in trouble with the law again....if he hasnt already

[@SessVlogs]

Janet’s family warning her of Raven probably helped a lot in getting her out of that situation. Since she had already been told he could be violent, she would have been harder to manipulate once he started showing those signs. Mad respect to Janet’s family, honestly, they already had so much to deal with and they still took action to protect other women from him.

[@emilyaitch8143]

Scary that he's already out, like what if he tries to contact her again?? I'd be worried if I were her

[@musslos7577]

Spoiler xD now I know, thx, I will still watch this video :D

[@frasert8779]

A telling moment is him saying that he wonders to himself “if I hadn’t met her she may be alive”. Besides basic butterfly effect reasons, that is bizarre to say if you had nothing to do with it, and if the reason is the butterfly effect, then if anything was different it would change, why specify her meeting you? That part seems like a slip up to me

[@FeeAlfadhal]

Sounded to me like he wished he’d never met her or married her, it was weird to say

[@PurveyorOfTrash]

Imagine saying you didn't receive a fair trial despite the jury not convicting you on the first go around

[@LasVegasBarbie]

I die every time the Life Insurance music is played. 😂

[@KODAKONES]

lol same. I do the dance too.

[@michaelcarlin7806]

What's the life insurance music

[@norivixen1877]

kinda wish it was longer so I can Kinda start grooving with mike 😂

[@markzelinski4434]

Same!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@markzelinski4434]

@@michaelcarlin7806 the music with Mike facing to it!🤣🤣

[@ginexkasachstan]

One point raven stated right in his interview, if he'd never met her she would still be alive. Kind like a confession

[@whitedragoness23]

He seemed fake on the interview, like he was having so much fun and was just on there to fool people. Maybe he didn’t do it but he sure acts like he did it. He would have motive and opportunity.

[@blydnhvghn]

Good catch!

[@shayneelizabeth358]

So smart. Best comment.

[@kevinforget549]

well considering he said that someone was likely after him he is implying that her being with him made her a target and got her killed.

[@rhizoidx]

That's actually a very very good catch. Man's guilty AF.

[@richardclifford003]

There's a huge "what if" that was never mentioned in this case: "What if" he killed his wife BEFORE leaving with his friends? Whoever did the initial autopsy did a real shitty job. If the contacts were missed, what else was? During an autopsy, a complete description of the body, head to toe, inside and out should be recorded. My guess is, the person who conducted the initial autopsy was a coroner and not a pathologist. A coroner is an elected position whereas a pathologist is a W2 position and has vastly more postmortem training. Also, I wouldn't put a lot of weight concerning footwear because unknown footwear could simply habe been used for diversionary purposes. The fingerprint on the window could have been left from the day it was installed. There's no way to determine the age of a respective latent impression. I'd further guess the crime scene wasn't processed well as most cases are won or lost at the crime scene. Not having first hand knowledge of the scene or the investigation, the aforementioned is based solely upon my 23 years experience as a criminal investigator. For what it's worth, opinions are like assholes.

[@eleanorreid729]

Hahaha opinions are like arseholes!!! Everybody has one I love that saying 😂

[@richardclifford003]

@@eleanorreid729 I had to throw that in otherwise I fear I'd be thought of as an asshole. One of my petpeeves is shitty crime scene work. On one occasion, I spent two days processing a scene and I've known other agents to spend several days in a scene. Do it right the first time because there are no second chances.

[@eleanorreid729]

@@richardclifford003 that's it exactly!! There isn't a 2nd chance xx thank you for the job u do it can't be easy, huge respect xx

[@kellietaylor9913]

@@eleanorreid729 I used to sell cars we would say there's a ars for every seat

[@patpat9510]

He stole shoes. Wear a bigger pair would not be hard. Rubber gloves used has prints turned inside out? And where they found the print was a bit odd from pictures. Movie mystery plot I've seen once had that. Maybe? Just a guess.

[@toniwilson9292]

So, wife #2 testified she was verbally & emotionally abused BEFORE the wedding & she went through with it?? (She said she was leaving for her bridal shower). Weird… The random bird sounds when saying the name “Raven” made me laugh. 🤣 Mike, you just keep getting better & better.

[@bakielh229]

Women

[@Feoshyt]

As soon as this guy started talking there are several red flags: the first "what if" isn't about him going out that day, it's about what if he never met her, it's a very curious statement to make. Making it about him is classic deflection

[@dmreddragon6]

That statement hit me weird also, and thought the same thing. One would hope for a "I wish I had stayed home, then maybe I could've defended her/us." That would be my line of thinking (if I gave a damn).

[@lilyesp5652]

well it sounds like that he got 500k out of this and chacne to start his life again...for hiim he probably (unfortunately) didn't care and made the most of it. Doesnt mean he killed her

[@katrinacarter2019]

No mention about the baby he lost as well ,guilty in my eyes $$hungry

[@nilesredfern7989]

My eyes bugged at that part 👀 I could not believe he said that on tv. 😂

[@w1kdsexyeyez1]

Yes!! I thought the same thing!

[@blueyedkitten7415]

It gave me pause when Raven's 2nd wife was describing his cruel behavior, stating that he took a swing at her, then laughed at her for flinching...and then she "had to go to her bridal shower." What?!?? This happened *before* she married him, and she still married him? Ladies! Don't dismiss the neon signs!

[@LynASullivan]

yes if someone shows you who they are believe them

[@cherijoseph7819]

If the second wife was Mormon there is a great pressure for women to get and stay married, no matter what slimy crap the husband does.

[@blueyedkitten7415]

@@cherijoseph7819 you could be right - but even an intensively religious family should have 2nd thoughts about pressuring a woman to marry a man who's first wife was murdered, and then acts like this piece of garbage did. At least I would hope! She ended up getting the marriage annulled after only 6 months, anyway!

[@_HimToo]

Lol My own comment is so similar to this one. I find it odd there aren't a BUNCH more just like it. People are so ridiculous.

[@_HimToo]

@@cherijoseph7819 Stop making excuses. No one pressured her into marrying a guy who's wife was murdered. Please. She needs to confront her own poor decision making. Period

[@Rugelacharugula]

11:40 Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call the "dry cry." It's a common phenomenon among the evil.

[@thankyouverymuch]

Not always. In this case, yes, but not always. I was once in a lengthy emergency situation, and I became so dehydrated that I couldn't make tears. When I was rescued I was crying like a baby, but I couldn't make tears.

[@Rugelacharugula]

@@thankyouverymuch Not *literally* dry, Professor.

[@leighhunterjumperz3038]

Mike I feel like you spent more time and effort into this story than he did in prison!! Very anticlimactic for the family; thank you for all you do!!❤🙏

[@triciapreston7126]

I love everything about Mike's show. The theme music is awesome, catchy, but not annoying. Mike is such a great Storyteller!

[@TooLooze]

... and he loves us.

[@Professionalasshole]

I gave him a compliment on his last video and boy, oh boy! You would've thought I k*lled someone!! 😂

[@lovingmayberry307]

@@Professionalasshole Huh?

[@munky342]

That little guitar ditty is great. I like to play along when I start the video up.

[@TahtahmesDiary]

@@liftedgifted6010 Wow I have yet to bump into that on here and I've been here years by now. But with a larger audience comes a lot of different types!

[@mandymoore5774]

HOLD THE PHONE! Did the 2nd wife there Vanessa it was, did she actually SAY while on the stand “he raised his hand to my face & stopped before hitting me than laughed bc I flinched. I had to compose myself, & was late to my own shower”. ??? REALLY?! So he did this PRIOR the “I do’s” & she still DID?!? That’s just sheer stupidity right there.

[@hex00ffff]

My exact reaction too

[@sunshine3914]

Yes, it is. Lots of pressure for brides who’ve spent months preparing & planning, especially back then. At least half the people I see marrying every year, should not be getting married.

[@rebeccarutledge9723]

My thoughts exactly

[@PiXie232]

@@sunshine3914 back then?? Honey.. it wasn’t that long ago lol🤣

[@alansmyth2204]

It seems some people are desperate to be married I’m desperate to stay single lolololo

[@AutisticAthena]

I come for the "hey you!" It's my favorite. Makes me feel like I just walked in the door of a family member's house. It's how I greet my favorite people. 🥰

[@nonyabizz1816]

HEY!! Thats the same judge for the Michael Peterson case from the documentary on Netflix Staircase! Very good too I will add. Love the insurance dance ALWAYS!!! xD

[@fayramsey3103]

Rest in peace Janet you did not deserve to die . He will get what is coming to him one day . I just love the way you tell a story Mike . The baby deserved better than a dad like that .

[@myzacky96]

Yes, I hope somebody gives him what he needs, and her parents need , DUE JUSTICE

[@wheresmyoldname]

That's what's bothering me, this guy didn't even lose custody of his other kid did he? I was just saying I hope people pay very close attention to whether or not he takes out a life insurance policy on that child....

[@dairyfreemilkyway239]

I dream of Mike every night while I sleep

[@fayramsey3103]

Too tell you the truth when he winks at the end it drives me crazy LOL @@dairyfreemilkyway239

[@violagentsch]

He acts like a spoiled teen. She was way to good for him. Too mature, for lil squeaky voiced Satan

[@paulineerwin7685]

Where would we be without Mikes storytelling, his ‘ life insurance’ music & dance and finally , his ‘ I love you’ and the end ! It’s a very fine line to walk - including facts of the reality AND some wit & humour : Mike , you walk it perfectly !!! RIP Janet and condolences to her family x

[@jamesduncan6729]

We would just be watching something else probably

[@rgb188]

We would be just fine lol

[@mariaelizondo2102]

CRAZY.

[@rosas4851]

Are you in love with him?

[@05bastille]

@@rosas4851 ^ someone who clearly doesn't understand the range of human emotions, especially the romantic love - platonic love. you okay bruv?

[@jodiegalloway3614]

As always, much enjoy your channel and the way you tell the stories. I found it interesting when Raven was filming that part about how he didn't like to talk about what happened and all the "what ifs?" he had, he never said "what if I hadn't gone out that night she was murdered?". And no mention of his unborn child. Scary

[@doclewis8927]

I hope women who live around him see this. I feel bad for Kaiden who didn't get to know his mom and who only knows that his dad took her from him. That's horrible. I hope the kid is okay and that his father doesn't bad-mouth his mom's memory but that's probably too much to hope for...huh?

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Yeah honestly warping a kids memory of a chill parent is almost just as bad I will say though, I haven't finished yet but regardless if he is guilty or not, getting a lawyer and not talking to the cops is 1000% sensible and not damning in the slightest You see so many cases where if the person is guilty or especially if they're innocent..talking to the cops is NEVER going to help, it can literally only ever screw you.. and as the spouse you're already under suspicion, and if you didn't do it that's even more reason not to give them any ammo to bone you with. There is not a single scenario in a criminal case you're involved in where talking is a good idea and every lawyer on the planet will tell you that Obviously if you're a witness that's a different story, but yeah

[@WobblesandBean]

@@KaladinVegapunk Maybe watch the entire video before saying stuff like that? Frankly, I quite enjoy knowing that a lot of murderers are so arrogant they think they can talk their way out of being a prime suspect. The more they dig their own holes, the better.

[@nobodyanderson4353]

@@KaladinVegapunk Well said never talk to the cops. Get legal advice.

[@brains7942]

I hope he doesn't end up like his father. Sadly, many do.

[@williambaker3729]

Probably not since hundreds if not thousands of people are bad-mouthing his image.

[@LynxStarAuto]

If your fiancé's former family calls you to warn you that he is a murdering psychopath. I dunno, seems like a tip to take as serious as a heart attack. Might just be me tho!

[@MarinkaSea911]

Nope, not just you. I honestly do not feel bad for Vanessa, I mean seriously how desperate do you have to be?! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ashleigh_whatever]

@@MarinkaSea911 and she still went to her bridal shower after he attacked her

[@amyshew1151]

My mother told me always meet the parents . If I was getting serious with someone and couldn’t afford to meet the parents ( plane trip etx ) she’s pay for it. Wise woman . My tip ? Psychopaths can’t keep up the act for over 11/2-2 years - don’t commit until after the 2 year mark .

[@delmardonte906]

Women love bad men. What else is new.

[@BalboaBaggins]

Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.

[@stevieleigh265]

I love that he always says "I love you" at the end of all his videos! 🥰 he's such a sweet guy!!

[@FedUpSouthernGirl]

Got to appreciate Mike’s dedication to the Raven bit. Also, did everyone else notice how coked out of his mind bird man was in the personal home video footage? U can even hear him chopping out lines. Can’t imagine how angry he would be while on speed.

[@TheDroneGeek]

Raven "before recording" on Camera: "Where's my coffee, hur dur dur!!!" Raven "after recording" on Camera: :'''(

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

That's called editing. Tell me you've never talked about something emotional and been fine up until you had to discuss the emotional aspects.

[@brendaredmond4678]

I've been reading the comments Mike and I think the overwhelming consensus is... You have a talent for making people laugh even when the situation is very ominous. Very few people could pull that off. I love your channel!

[@Sharkfighter13]

I want to meet him! He seems like a cool guy you could sit around talk shit and drink beer.

[@JJ-wb8kn]

Very smart in the way he does it, such a talent to be able to make a rather morbid situation funny (and never in a degrading way) keep it up mucker!

[@leesmac404]

Ditto

[@Chartoise]

It's mostly women 😉

[@humanbeingfromearth]

And a great accent to boot

[@williamtefft3477]

Mike is definitely out there with his outrageous sideline commentary, however , that's what makes this show so damn addictive, that off the wall wit, keep up the great work Mike!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@KHH595]

I just can’t get over the bloody fingerprints that weren’t his and the scent dogs picking up a different scent. Guy seems sketchy for sure but I think we’re kind of overlooking the fact that there was definitely another person at that crime scene.

[@carlajackson3137]

My hubby just rolls his eyes at me now because practically every time he says something to me I say" I hear ya barkin' big dog!". I crack myself up with Mike's jokes, lol.

[@MellowSerenitycatdogcpbclo0x]

🤣🤣🤣 I love it!

[@sammygirl6910]

😆

[@jypsyjewels2854]

There are so many "whys" in this case. Like why would an adult human be named "Raven"?

[@pr4208]

Seriously 😂 sounds like a nickname a 13 year old goth kid would give themselves lol

[@jypsyjewels2854]

@@pr4208 RIght? Or Criss Angel's much less successful cousin.

[@youdontwanttheboot]

Because he was named as a child.

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Maybe his parents are big fans of the Baltimore football team. I know that’s why I named my son Seahawk

[@ravenphakum6882]

ummmm adult human where is this point of your

[@shaunmm2k]

This highlights the value of the Defense in court proceedings. I was all out against the husband until the defense pointed out the lack of evidence and suddenly I wasn’t sure anymore. Who else had any connection with her, but process of elimination doesn’t prove guilt

[@KD-xb5np]

Exactly. They had nothing except the fact that he was a POS. The physical evidence all pointed away from him, and I doubt he had the money to hire a hit man.

[@Wendyjo123]

I listen to That Chapter videos every day on my commute. One time I heard him say Do you guys get tired of… I then tuned him out because no matter what he finishes the sentence with, I.E; the music, the let’s give it a go, the well placed dark silences, the way he talks, his great wit I am tired of none of it. I love it all. He makes me laugh and calms me every day. I make sure I like every video I watch. Thank you for being an amazing creator. I will never tire of your detailed stories 😊

[@pacificblue5461]

Raven during TV interview: "The worst scenarios are the scenarios that involve me" Detectives: "So, you were involved?" Raven: "um....no?"

[@NxDoyle]

You did understand that he wasn't admitting anything, right?

[@momfrini]

The statements had me wondering.

[@BalboaBaggins]

Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.

[@ervinpucchi6951]

Quoth the Raven.

[@richardclifford003]

Actually, one of the (many) traits of a sociopathic killer is to insert oneself into the investigation. Normally it's done by the killer to taunt the authorities and/or to gain information as to the status of the investigation. I have no doubt Raven is a sociopath. Sociopaths are born not made.

[@kbf9644]

Nothing screams innocent like starting to lay out your alibi on the 911 call. 🙄😒

[@VK-qo1gm]

Yesss!

[@Boodoo4You]

This is just confirmation bias. There’s thousands of 911 calls with innocent people that say similar things. You’d have to be slow in the head to think that counts as evidence towards guilt. Too many people watch True Crime and forget what objective evidence actually is.

[@amityislandchum]

@@Boodoo4You Yup. It's all over these videos. You can always tell that these people get their ideas about guilt from other videos made by amateurs, because they're always repeating the same phrases. "He started by saying he just got home -- so guilty!" "He referred to her in past tense -- guilty!" "He said 'that girl' instead of using her name -- guilty!" 🙄

[@Boodoo4You]

@@amityislandchum Absolutely nailed it. Every single one of those phrases annoys me. “He said that girl which means he’s distancing himself from her”. Or “he said I loved her which means he knows she’s dead”. Everyone wants to be Inspector Holmes and analyse their speech or their body language like they know what they’re talking about. If it’s subjective, then it’s not good evidence, and it should not be used as evidence of their guilt. Human behaviour and language is just way too complex to be a repeatable science that you can analyse reliably. I question the intelligence of anyone who says things like that, unless they make it very clear that it’s just a feeling that they’re voicing. Glad someone else has noticed this too lol.

[@pinkbubblesnake]

@@amityislandchum there's very few that scream obviously guilty to me. I can't remember the case but he was called Australian chris watts. Everything about his weird drunken interview with the press was just. Soooo messy. Honestly the dumbest thing I've seen someone in his situation do. Going into this video I could only guess he killed her because yanno. Usually is the bf. But the phone call itself wasn't like "omg guilty" The other side was a guy who bashed his wifes head in on the farm they lived on. He did a really good job sounding not guilty on his 911 call. It's hard to fake that kind of panic in my opinion.

[@jennamarie966]

Damn, I live in Durham but don't remember this one. I can tell you one thing though, I was part of a grand jury for a whole year at the beginning of covid here in Durham, and, with the exception of a few people, the whole thing was a joke. You send 18 people into a sealed courtroom once a month, most of whom know little to nothing about the law, then detectives and officers come in to lay out their cases to you. A good amount are definitely legit. But then you get some that try to sell you straight bullshit. But since no one even goes over basic law (probable cause, etc) with the jurors, we're mostly just left to ask the detectives if their case and/or arrest was legit. Which is completely useless. We had too many cases of people being arrested with us jurors (most with NO legal knowledge) deciding whether or not these people's lives should be ruined for something the cops had no business even searching them for. When I began, I was actually excited about it, but as with every aspect of Justice, it was disillusioning.

[@emouselOregon]

Having served on a couple juries has convinced me that if I ever found myself charged with a felony I would not choose trial by jury unless I was guilty.

[@pizzlerot2730]

Funny how the more you learn about the system, the less you believe in it. I was raised to believe in it strongly, and I did for much of the first part of my life. Then I actually went through the system and saw it for what it was - a bunch of people with undeserved power, trying to enrich themselves or advance their careers or both, with no regard whatsoever for the people whose lives they're absolutely destroying. Now I absolutely refuse to call what we have a "justice" system.

[@jennamarie966]

@@pizzlerot2730 Oh absolutely 100%. I was the same way growing up then I went through the system too, and realized once you're in the system, it's designed to keep you in. There's a million ways to mess up and, even if you're doing exactly what you're supposed to and nothing else, you're still not even guaranteed. You're at the whim of others. I knew the probation and prison systems were awful, but I had no prior knowledge of exactly how the grand jury systems worked. Afterwards, it shattered a faith I didn't even realize I still had.

[@thedrinkinggames9573]

I moved to Durham around the middle of this, after her murder, and I don't remember much about the murder, but I do actually feel like I did know about the embezzlement and side selling of shoes stolen. I did recognize some of the news coverage. Actually, as I watch more and more, I am actually remembering more of this. Especially the WRAL coverage. I'm not convinced of his guilt, but I'm not convinced that he's innocent either.

[@RebelChum]

I mean... the lawyers would argue that and a judge would decide. You aren't there to be the lawyer...you are there to decide if it's guilty or not or I suppose in this case if there is sufficient evidence to go to trial. Cops don't always know every in and out of every law. Thats why you have district attorneys. See if a cop tells a da about an arrest...they would know that the search or whatever was no good and decline prosecution..if they for whatever reason don't the defense lawyers would argue and again the judge decides. I've served as a juror and if we had any question about any law being charged the judge explained it to us in depth. The cops are ARRESTING you... the district attorney DECIDES the charges.

[@brandoncyoung]

Nothing wrong with lawyering up and not talking. You should never ever talk, guilty or innocent

[@flagbabygirl]

My dad went into emergency surgery this morning and all day we didn’t know if he would make it out. We just found out he is out of surgery and stable in ICU and I can finally take a small break from crying and worrying. I decided to open KZbin to see if there was anything worth watching to decompress a bit and who do I see ? Mike ! My favorite youtuber ! Thanks Mike you seek to always know when I need a video.

[@heismanhighlights5123]

Who asked

[@rewatteefroimchuk8589]

Wishing the best for your Dad and your family.

[@malpercio123]

I'm glad to hear that hes stable! I pray you keep well and that he makes a speedy recovery. I agree Mike is awesome!

[@foxsox1852]

I'm so sorry you're going through this...you're literally living my worst nightmare. you're a good kid to be there for him like you are and he's lucky to be so loved. it's ok to cry, friend

[@elizablue8134]

I'm glad that this brought you some relief. It's so hard. Hugs from over here.

[@nturavrgchick6055]

I knew Janet's family when I was growing up in the Annandale, VA area. I knew a couple of her sisters, as she was about 10 years younger than I was. Such a sad story. And her family really was so close. It's so weird seeing someone you knew in one of Mike's videos. RIP

[@honiahakaa]

justice will be served inshallah rip to janet

[@electricaf365]

BS

[@nturavrgchick6055]

@@electricaf365 what's BS? That I knew her family? Her family attended the Annandale VA ward of the LDS church, and that's where I met them. Her mom was really sweet and was very involved in church activities including the youth programs, so everyone knew Mrs. Christiansen. One of her sisters was named Jeanette (I believe that's the sister they show at the end in the courtroom, but a couple sisters looked so much alike so I can't be sure), and that's the one I knew best out of all of them - all of the kids' names in their family started with a J. When you attend an LDS church it's more than just going to church on Sundays. There are always activities, especially for their youth programs. There are dances a couple times per month and root beer float socials, etc. You're at the church 2 or 3 times a week, so the kids get to know each other really well. But I moved when I was 15 and only saw them a couple of times after that so lost touch with them. But my best friend from my childhood attended that church her whole life. So when I first heard about this case (it was on dateline or a similar program several years ago), I asked her if she was from the Christiansen family we knew and she verified that she was. Do you not think all of the people in the cases Mike covers had lives, and actual friends? Do you think they didn't grow up going to school and going to church just like everyone else did? Of course they did. So it would make sense that occasionally people who knew them are going to run across one of his videos. But sure, it's all BS. I just made it up for no reason at all. Lol

[@eugeneoreilly1130]

@@nturavrgchick6055 no need to explain yourself to fools. Trolls are everywhere, try not to feed into their game by explaining validation to your story. Genuine people never doubt you to begin with and that was enough. Thanks for sharing however and wish you all the best. Take care x

[@susanivy3619]

@@nturavrgchick6055 I believed you (why would you make that up? That you knew some family members? OOh scandalous). It's so funny, whenever I have read a comment where someone claims to either know someone or even know of them, and it's not often, there's always some moron chiming in that it's a lie. Perhaps these fools are projecting, knowing all the BS they spew online, so everyone else must be doing the same.

[@miklemikemuster]

LDS are absolutely nuts. Who names a kid Raven? His parents played a major role in how self obsorbed this maniac is.

[@wintercomesearly]

IKR? And it's a girl's name. Weird, that.

[@mansfieldcoleman6723]

I love all Mike's videos he gets right to the point. Tells the story's in less than tur-dy mins and his chezzy jokes I grown to love good job Mike and thanks.

[@angelicanordstrom33]

To be able to tell a horrific story, with humour and laughs and not do it so it's disrespectful, it's probably one of the hardest things to do. But Mike, you are the rare exception, and I enjoy every minute of it, from the "let's give it a goo" to "i love ya, Mike out". ❤️

[@DocBree13]

No one can pull that off like Mike does.

[@therealdachshunddjangosmom]

Mike's the best! Hi from Austria 🇦🇹

[@JunFan777]

I have to agree, Mike is PERFECT about that, I don't know how he pulls it off to be honest with you.

[@bIametheniIe]

True crime is inherently exploitative and is disrespectful by its very nature. Respectful means to consider the feelings, wishes, and rights of others in a thoughtful manner. Mike cracking dark jokes about the crime in question isn't considerate to the victim, who were real people who lives were brutally cut short, and their friends and family (also real people). I'm pretty sure I know why some people try to rationalize to themselves why Mike and other true crime media are being respectful. It's due to the cognitive dissonance felt from deriving entertainment off of other peoples grief, pain, and suffering. Unless you're a sociopathic sadist, you know that that is morally wrong. Thus, discomfort is felt from the contradicting beliefs and/or thoughts. Others that try to be less disrespectful about it attempt to get consent from the victim's family, typically won't mention the perpetrator's real name to keep the focus on the victim, and tend to donate some of the money they're making to organizations that assist victims and their family. Mike does none of those and he makes roughly $20,000 to $30,000 a month off the real people lives that were brutally cut short, and their friends and family's grief while cracking jokes about it. The victim and family's boundaries are violated and they're essentially victimized all over again for our entertainment.

[@alpha-pathetic4168]

@@bIametheniIe Make a tl;dr will you?

[@SpeedyDocDOCARMY]

Life insurance intro to the dance was hilarious. You can't hide your enjoyment, Mike!

[@zazaaziella16]

I never want to get life insurance. Instead , have a savings account with a "private" Will.

[@Hankblue]

Should life insurance not be illegal at this point? It literally incentivises 50% of the murders reported on here, seems like the costs outweigh the benefits 🤔

[@athelwulfgalland]

I know, I've seen him pull off his life insurance celebration dance a couple of times & it's just as hilarious as the first time! XD

[@athelwulfgalland]

@@zazaaziella16 I don't worry about it so much. I have several thousand dollars worth in collectables, same in fishing gear, a $35k vehicle but would be glad to have life insurance just in case something unexpected happened to me. Everyone knows that everything I have goes to my wife of 25 years. It's up to her as to what to do with it then. It wouldn't be any different if I had life insurance because I know she'd use it to make sure she & our children were well taken care of.

[@athelwulfgalland]

@@Hankblue No, I don't think so. Anyone who has a pragmatic side would think about life insurance as being a good way of making sure that their family would be well taken care of, in case of an unexpected event happening, at some point or another. Furthermore of those that have life insurance I'm sure a very small percentage of them actually fall victim to foul play. As I expressed to Zaza a moment ago I too would like to have life insurance just in case something happened to me. Then again I'm the type of person that would likely abuse the life insurance. For example, say I found out one of my children were suffering from leukemia, I'd be perfectly willing to "fall asleep in the bathtub" just to make sure they could afford the treatments.

[@christycarbaugh6622]

I need to remember to “like” every single video I watch and rewatch.. THANK YOU Mike for being there for me when I need you the most! You are the best! I absolutely enjoy every bit of your content. With Love From Texas!

[@xokyler]

same i always "like" because i love Mike and so I don't rewatch the same cases.

[@hebebebe139]

I feel like this is a clear hit case. His favourite knife missing, the fact she didn't put up a fight she probably knew the killer and didn't suspect what they were there to do. He gave the killer one of his knives to use, possibly a key or left the house unlocked, planned for the "theft" of his laptop Carefully planned to leave no clear trace back to him

[@Kansas2SaltLake]

OH MY GOSH! My sister dated this guy here in Salt Lake City while the investigation was going on. The FBI took her out to lunch for like 2 hrs talking to her about how they knew he had murdered his wife. She broke up with him after she found all this out and he still tries to contact her. So much details no one knows about. Couldn’t believe when I saw his name in the title. I only met him once and he came across as a totally normal charming young man.

[@codybennett2060]

Doubt it

[@terridonato6231]

Psychopaths always seem really nice, charming even...

[@Kansas2SaltLake]

@@codybennett2060 You’re right, I just lie so I can get attention via KZbin comments.

[@Kansas2SaltLake]

@@terridonato6231 always seems that way doesn’t it? He seemed to go out of his way to be extra nice and engaging. Hate to say it but I walked away thinking “what a nice guy”

[@Kansas2SaltLake]

@Jeff P fortunately she was smart enough to dump him

[@jimburg621]

No "like, subscribe, share" Mike is total class. he gets subscribers, just by providing great content.

[@mr.martyr8573]

One of the many reasons I love this channel.

[@wenchfisterx]

It's sad when you have to point out and commend people on how things should be normal common practice..shows how pathetic people are when they beg for subs.

[@carriecruzpadilla8620]

I've never heard anyone call it baby a Band-Aid baby but that is the best description people having kids to fix things .if it didn't work before kids it's not going to work after kids.

[@stopcheatingconsumers9779]

I know I should not laugh. The Life Insurance segment was hilarious, especially on my birthday (which none of my family remembered). Best one yet! I've watched it over a few times.

[@lukasskywalker6514]

Came for the “hey you” Stayed until “mike out”

[@richardaitkenhead]

Lost 8 years of his life for something he may not have done, there was so much reasonable doubt it should of never seen a court room, the justice system is disgusting.

[@alaskancat]

…as thousands of people across the planet echo in unison, “give it a goooo” 💜

[@zensbleexperience3470]

What we NEED is a compilation on a loop of our Mike doing the life insurance dance! I need it for my ringtone lmao I love you Mike 😍

[@SlavicStar14]

Still my favourite channel among many out there. Thank you Mike 🙏

[@twstf8905]

Can't believe he only served a total of eight years, for this. It's another thing that's criminal, about this whole case.

[@Elmer_and_Lorraine]

Totally agree. He essentially got away with it.

[@Needler13]

That sounds about rwhite

[@Gusto20000]

There is no direct evidence, hung jury, no case basically. And he served the time. Imagine he’s not guilty and he came through all this?

[@myzacky96]

It was actually for two lives, she was pregnant, he really got AWAY WITH MURDER

[@cgl1622]

Consider Breivik who killed 77 people, including 55 teenagers. Got the longest sentence available in Norway- 17 years, and just had a parole hearing this week

[@starlingswallow]

Who needs Netflix when you have Mike here with _THAT CHAPTER?!_

[@diybronwynsmith263]

Hey You Mike ! How are you !?I just love your channel ! I come everyday to watch I love your accent and your sense of humour in the face of sometimes very shitty stories but you make it interesting every time! I also love that most of these stories I hadn’t heard of and I’m a true crime buff too sort of thang lol. Thank You for making our day just that much better for having your channel! Love ya ! 😊

[@RainForestLeDoux]

Where is he from?

[@maxbrooks5468]

I love the way you tell True Crime stories, thanks for another great video.

[@williamsherman3047]

With a "college degree" and all, you'd think Raven could have come up with a better embezzlement scheme than to have the merchandise delivered to his own home. What the hell are they teaching in college nowadays?

[@Julia-yn5xh]

It was SVU. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@ladycheyne5607]

It was a Christian college. I'm sure he would have been better going to Trump University 🤣🤣🤣

[@littleredwitch]

@@ladycheyne5607 Yes he would have learned a trick or two!

[@milojohnson6068]

Not embezzlement.

[@milojohnson6068]

@@ladycheyne5607 You mean like Harvard or Yale or Princeton or William and Mary or Emory or Mercer or Southern Methodist or Pepperdine or almost every other private University in America? Hell, Trump "University" is one of the only non-religious Universities in American history. Of course it isn't a real school, but then neither is Trump a real Christian (just don't tell that to the millions of evangelicals who worship and adore him. Wait, you know what? Screw that! Tell them; evangelicals aren't real Christians either!).

[@owl509]

Its not often Mike has "kooky" in the title. This is gonna be fire

[@ThatChapter]

Thinking now it’s an odd choice

[@Stopcommentingthesamecomments]

@@ThatChapter nah kooky was a nice change of pace mike u could say the stupid case of elmo and big bird and we'd click

[@itsreallyjustmehere611]

@@ThatChapter nah man we love it

[@dairyfreemilkyway239]

@@ThatChapter please marry me!11

[@TheUluxian]

@@ThatChapter "kooky" is an odd choice.. If you're thinking about doing the "Wacky adventures of John Wayne Gacy" or something, I'd reconsider.. Still love ya, Mike!

[@dustycoutu2721]

Your videos are so thorough and well researched. Good on ya. Love em.

[@katiemilady4232]

I have seen a few shows about the Abaroa's but yours add a lot of detail that were left out of the others. Thanks dude!

[@thabsilechamane3774]

I never been so happy in my life, seeing Mike’s face makes my days better. I love you ❤️

[@johno30197]

Easy!

[@criessmiles3620]

Keep ur emotions to urself Cheers from west Africa 🦅

[@IONAPINKMOXIE]

@Chris Be nice. Mike says he loves us, we're allowed to love him back! 😛

[@blacktoothfox677]

@@criessmiles3620 I'd say you have the streets all figured out but you got it the wrong way round. like "safety strong". Take a serious TD fan to get that little series of puns

[@blacktoothfox677]

@@IONAPINKMOXIE IKR? I think they are just jealous they have no love in their own existence, or some such. Why anyone would want to kick sand like that is kinda beyond me. You crack on, OP, Mike loves ya x

[@marybeth1579]

Love the fact Mike isn’t self absorbed by his ego like a lot of KZbinrs !!! Love the simplicity about EVERYTHING on this channel !!!

[@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653]

Hes a great guy.

[@crankyrebate8161]

Thank you for posting I really appreciate you taking the time to do so 🙌

[@proudTNmama]

I love Mike and this is my absolute favorite channel on all of KZbin. Thank you Mike for sharing your amazing talent with all of us. Sending happy thoughts and lots of love from Tennessee!!

[@SongJLikes]

“ He left out the part where he was a major Person-of-Interest in the investigation…. I’d leave that out too. “ Gold. You’re good at this, Mike

[@Mario7p]

it's like his sarcasm grows on you, I didn't laugh as much the first times I saw him :)

[@jennrodrigue0409]

There aren’t many channels that I have watched every single video. Yours is the winner! 💜

[@thewatcher5248]

Wanna get some life insurance together let me know

[@melissa8313]

Mr ballen and Bailey Sarian are great too, I love all three of them! They’re all excellent story tellers

[@carriecruzpadilla8620]

Even when I've heard the story already or know the ending, or heard Mr ballen tell it . I still will watch because I love the way Mike tells it and I love the videos .I love the pictures of them and you get to know them a little bit better and see them. So in close im binge watching all his videos eight now and still learning new things about murders I all ready knew about.

[@jesseelwell9107]

My friend, your silica dry sense of humor kills me

[@dehartfamily3091]

Mike’s insurance dance is a vibe. Love ya Mike, great coverage of a heartbreaking crime. Raven - how do families produce these guys? I would love to know what his growing up was like? I wonder if he was a born psycho?

[@misskymbo]

The more I see the life insurance musical interlude, the more I want a full MV haha Thanks for the brief light-hearted break in such a sad and unfair case. I hope Kaiden flourishes and women of Utah stay safe from this creep.

[@thewatcher5248]

Kid shhhhh

[@mdurick1830]

As always thanks for your story telling!

[@tomdegan6924]

These are excellent and witty presentations. Good job, Mike!

[@Scratchingforcash]

As much as we shouldn’t like the “Life Insurance” dance because of what it stands for, it’s hard not to love it when Mike does it.

[@AamuAurora]

I'll give you 5 pesos for a scratch

[@Scratchingforcash]

@@Angel_1983 definitely true.

[@Scratchingforcash]

@@AamuAurora depends on where I’m scratching

[@momfrini]

I wish it lasted longer too! I do believe this one was longer than the last one I saw!

[@maryreinecke8599]

I love the life insurance dance ! Mike is the best .

[@blueturret5596]

That Chapter and MrBallen are easily the two best true crime storytellers on this platform. Keep up the good work as always.

[@ElectroPeyote]

Deadbug Says

[@zazaaziella16]

I prefer Mike over MrBallen , sometimes, takes too long to tell a story. I like him , though.

[@ElectroPeyote]

@@zazaaziella16 I like Mike aswell, I'm a fellow Dub. Delighted to see him do so well. Deadbug has some sick production skills, deserves more subs.

[@beverlyamarantes9775]

You would probably love Emma Kenney then.

[@jadezee6316]

ballen does not tell true stories...he tells believe it or not stories

[@joshuathomas8222]

The life insurance dance is something I always look forward to. I'm from NC and live about an hour from Durham. When this happened, I was in high school. I remember seeing this story and instantly hated this guy. It was quite obvious he was responsible.

[@devinjanosov]

As a criminal defense atty; I am a HUGE FAN of Alford Pleas.

[@jugglingthejenkins]

“Croakin like his name sake” made me laugh so hard

[@julielevinge266]

Such a transparent creep!!!

[@autumnbritten2280]

Omg I can’t believe you watch Mike too!! I love you and Mike! Lol!!

[@Rettequetette]

Also, in the introduction: "It's fitting that the name Raven is in this one, because we got a few bones to pick" XD

[@MindSlide2012]

I played soccer with Raven in Utah. This was SHOCKING to our community. Crazy

[@easterworshipper5579]

when i was a youngun, i drunkenly pushed my drunken girlfriend onto the floor, a bit too hard, and in front of half a dozen witnesses. her brothers learned of this, and paid me a visit the following day. one beat the shit out of me, and the second (scarier) brother informed me that next time it was going to be his turn. there never was a 'next time'. moral of the story is: brothers, take care of your sisters.

[@garrysekelli6776]

Was he a center forward with great dribbling skills?

[@CoExist64]

@@easterworshipper5579 I’d like to hope that you grew up and realized it was wrong that changed you, not that you were scared which made you stop.

[@grahamschmidt444]

That's wild, I always wonder if I ever am gonna see someone I once knew pop up in his show. I'm sure it's rather eerie knowing this about him now

[@rocketamadeus3730]

@@easterworshipper5579 Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[@wizehassan]

One of my favorite channels on KZbin, thanks for all you do Mike. k.o.

[@kameshinipillay4587]

The good ol life insurance plot, burst out laughing when you said it. Nobody will ever know how much money I have after watching this channel

[@LarTheAmStaff]

There nothing better when you have a shitty day than hearing “my name is Mike...let’s give it a goo” 💙 thanks Mike

[@gustavtarankov3899]

Nothing describes a Perfect Friday night like a beer while watching a good ol' episode of That Chapter!

[@yorkshirelad9879]

Cheers to that friend 🍻

[@RHR-221b]

Agreed. Stay free, G. R 🍻 😎 🎲 🌠

[@debg4212]

The Life Insurance Montage is gold... pure gold!!! LOL That face at 8:47 kills me!!!!

[@kylefoster6795]

That interview where he’s laughing then fake cries when they say action is a dead give away.

[@loisannlovelace8988]

Raven is a real POS. The part that stands out to me is when he’s laughing right before a taped interview and just just like that, water works when camera rolled! And why does the 2nd wife never listen?! Vanessa heard all the rumors and never even stopped to wait and do some digging on her own. Nope, went right ahead into the marriage. I guess some folks need to experience things for themselves…sheesh!

[@loisannlovelace8988]

@Col7777 right and that's why you really have to take the time to get to know people. Folks can't hide who they are forever. I find that some people marry way too soon, during the honeymoon period when an individual’s "representative" is still at work

[@wildcambium]

These guys can be very charming and persuasive when it serves them. I am a strong, intelligent woman and I was taken in by one of these chumps for a time once. Once.

[@charliechurch5004]

She wanted the money

[@vdigiulio550]

@Col7777 Okay, that's genius and needs to be a on T-shirt!

[@loisannlovelace8988]

@@wildcambium I’ve definitely been had but not to this extent, thank God! I was also younger too. As a grown woman, I’ve definitely learned my lesson and now know red flags and definitely take my time. I do not make the same decisions and choose the same type of men I once did. I also think that there are lots of women with limited experience in dating and may not know red flags or signs of an abuser. Unfortunately in these cases, experience is the best teacher, assuming you survive to make healthier decisions 😕. I also think emotional intelligence, good self esteem, good decision making, being self sufficient, being ok with being single and being willing to be patient and get to really know someone is key! I’ve known many women who ignore red flags, explain them away, rush into things (marrying someone or moving in with them only after several months for ex), etc. because they really want a relationship, marriage, kids, etc. A lot of times, we want what our friends have and rush our own timeline just to have those things. Nothing is wrong with wanting those things I might add, but they are huuuge decisions and not to be taken lightly. We have to choose head over heart many times because it’s our emotions and desperation that oftentimes get us in trouble as women. We have to listen to our intuition, our inner goddesses, and be wise.

[@moirapark4649]

You must be one of the most hardworking and consistently reliable you tubers around. It’s very reassuring to know you’ll be here for us come rain or shine. Thanks Mike 🤗 fantastic work x (btw we love you too ❤️)

[@TeamCat1128]

Watching him joke around during the interview when he didn’t know the cameras were running, then start with the tears when they were. 🤢🤮

[@greeneyes9310]

Thank you Mike I'm just going through your older videos I haven't seen yet lol I could watch you all day I absolutely love your story telling ❤️❤️❤️

[@CJLOVE23]

The life insurance song and dance will never ever ever EVER get old 😂😂😂😂 Ahh thank you for making me laugh as always with that bit

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Can Janet's family sue Raven in a *Civil trial* for wrongful death? No jail time for Raven, but they could get that insurance money, and to make a point.

[@mango8918]

Sure could...just like the Brown family sued and won a civil case against O.J.

[@kn0ttybinature_]

they can and they absolutely should! i hope their son kaiden is with janet’s family & not that sick S.O.B.

[@beth-bi9yv]

I doubt there's any money left.....

[@kingcosworth2643]

Only if they can afford it, and any evidence available is circumstantial, there is no guarantee of a verdict, civil court is not 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Having said that, a lot of criminal convictions have not followed this rule, otherwise there would not be so many innocents locked up.

[@oliverclothesoff8604]

@@kn0ttybinature_ The son is with the grandparents.

[@pyprbrueland3197]

The life insurance thing is my favorite everytime.. like when the mail got delivered in blues clues... that's how much I love it lolol

[@velfeathermanshack5769]

I'm getting caught up on your videos 😜 I absolutely appreciate you. I can always count on great videos.