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Star Wars: The Last Jedi generated quite a bit of controversy and differing opinions upon release, whether we're talking about Rey's parents or Luke Skywalker's death. I decided to study this matter further and find out where all the negativity is coming from, and how it might affect the upcoming finale to the trilogy, Star Wars: Episode IX directed by JJ Abrams.
This theory-examination-thingy turned out to way longer than I expected, but I hope you like it. And it did finish nicely for the Bluray release, since deleted scenes and bonus features seem to be all the rave now. And there's a documentary too I hear.
Opinions? What did you think about Episode VIII and are you awaiting to see what happens in Episode 9? There was cool stuff. Like the throne room scene and the salt planet attack. Visually very impressive. Also Avengers Infinity War is coming out and that looks pretty good as well.
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[@DrShaym]

They tried to make The Last Jedi darker and more serious in tone, but at the same time, they intersperse it with really dumb gags for cheap laughs that completely undercut whatever seriousness it was supposed to have.

[@guardianknight5417]

True it's just a tonal mess

[@jamesfontana3135]

Kind of reminds me when R2 gets spit out by that swamp monster in Empire. Then the scene ends with him comically spitting oil out of himself. Cue womp womp womp...

[@ZeRafut]

if only that was the only real problem going on with this movie..

[@Sesshomaru1]

@James Fontana my comment didn't show up for some reason. I think it was due to the algorithm believing it to be spam or something because I had a link. Anyways that scene is completely different.

[@donovanwiebe2495]

The part where Rey's parents are reveiled to be nobody's is where my opinion of the movie changed and I realized "Oh. This is actually really good"

[@omgjlmiub]

Most people, like 90% of people don’t hate rose for being a female or asian. I hate her because she has terrible writing. Her character sucked and didn’t contribute anything to the plot. Finn and Rose could’ve been cut entirely and nothing would change.

[@Skymoc4]

Im preaty sure that the houle movie could have been cut and *NOTHING* would have changed

[@lieutenantjacobin]

@@Skymoc4 no, cutting the movie wouldve changed something: It wouldve saved Star Wars from certain death

[@Skymoc4]

@@lieutenantjacobin Wow, I'm speechless... u truly ha e the *high ground*

[@TheKHUE]

I’m not saying you’re one of them, but if the hate on Rose was because of terrible writing, then why did so many people bully the ACTOR not the writer?

[@willigagbob8243]

@@TheKHUE because some people's mind can't separate simple things.

[@MrHantz101]

Personally, the saddest part of Solo's death was Chewbacca's reaction. They were brothers, literally shared a blood debt, Chewie probably knew him better than anyone (including Leia), and yet no one consoled the poor guy, no one gave him a hug, he was just left to grieve on his own. That choked me up more than anything else.

[@kilianwagner9424]

Honestly, I wouldn't give Chewie a hug either if he isn't emotionally stable.

[@prue5588]

@@kilianwagner9424 lol right

[@franciscovalle8075]

I liked How It Should’ve Ended, pointed out why Solo couldn’t have gotten killed and it was so true.

[@autumneagle]

Would've actually hit hard if Chewie couldn't deal with it in episode 9 and committed suicide

[@amberslahlize7961]

@@autumneagle That looks so out of character for him though, lol I'm sorry, I had to laugh at that.

[@vonneely1977]

"It will now be easier for JJ Abrams to change Rae's parents from nobodies into somebodies." Be careful what you wish for, Filmento.

[@MariOmor1]

you predicted Spiderman NWH

[@micaiahclark]

Bruh…he showed Palpatine

[@viljamtheninja]

@@micaiahclark My man actually predicted Palpatine being Rey's father. He's a prophet!

[@davidbrasher3595]

Before a trilogy is started, one single writer or team of writers must make a detailed outline of all three movies. It is madness to start a trilogy and have no plan what will happen, and to have different writers who are not working together write different movies.

[@emhu2594]

There was, ryan johnson just ignored all of it and did his own thing.

[@Handzoffire]

I think it's what JJ had in mind, it's how 4,5 and 6 was made... it was only going to be just one movie at first and had a different director each time.

[@liljenborg2517]

You know, like George Lucas did when he wrote the first Star Wars movie or that Indiana Jones series he made with Spielberg, both of which were made with no expectations of, or even really plans for, sequels ever being made. The notion of making film trilogies planed out as trilogies from the get-go, is actually a very recent phenomena (Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was actually one of the first). A lot of movie series were started with no plan to become a series (from movies like Back to the Future to Jaws to Godfather to Toy Story) because few movie studios are willing to sign off on sequels until after they've seen the box office returns from the first movie.

[@matthieuwojcik6609]

@@liljenborg2517 Can agree with that, except this little, tiny thing : Back to the future, Jaws, Godfather, Toy Story, Indiana Jones... None of those franchise were made as an overarching story, with each movie setting up the next one. Wich is clearly the case for this Star Wars sequel trilogy. This kind of writting might be a recent phenomena, but it is slowly but surely becoming a standart for AAA productions and was already something to expect from a new Star Wars trilogy, after the Prelogy being written like that. This brutal switch of writting betwen different producers really, really hurt the sequels. And since you can see in the next Star Wars trailer Kylo's mask being reforge, my bet is that the third movie will have this problem too.

[@jero667]

Movies are no art anymore... Just products to be sold

[@Random_Number]

17:00 -- Rose is introduced, mourning the death of her sister Paige, a character with 30 seconds of screen time over the past 40 years. Glad Rian Johnson had time for that, but *no time* to show Luke mourning the loss of his best friend, Han Solo -- a major part of the series for the past 40 years. :/

[@JP-sp9bm]

Haha, this alone should show everyone why this movie sucks so bad.

[@asz1029]

The worst thing? They filmed the scene where Luke is grieving Han. AND THEN FUCKING CUT IT OUT.

[@qty1315]

You know what's even worse? The reason why the scene was cut is most likely because they wanted to sell Blu-ray Discs by promising that the scene was on the discs.

[@VicEntity]

That is not his fault lol. I am pretty sure he filmed a scene like. If you want to blame someone blame the editors...

[@VicEntity]

Nathan Young It’s a man called Bob Ducsay. I just looked it up on google.

[@stoweby]

Rose: We win by saving what we love not destroying what we hate. Also Rose: I'm gonna destroy this casino because I hate war profiteers.

[@talldorf6445]

I forgot that was the whole reason for destroying the casino. That with the admiral's choice that made an okay movie lean towards not okay. At least in my eyes.

[@la_scrittice_vita]

TLJ: Destroys Space Monaco with racehorse-mountain goats because "rich people suck" Filmento: This is Star Wars Me: buh-bye

[@domhuckle]

I always thought kylo's guilt over han would drive him to seek redemption, and Rey's anger over her abandonment would open her to the dark - the last film would be kylo saving rey from the dark

[@ninjanibba4259]

Too bad that didn’t happen

[@domhuckle]

@@ninjanibba4259 I heard so many good ideas float around - luke would return as a force ghost to haunt Kylo and turn him from the dark. Fin would lead an internal rebellion of child slave stormtroopers to take the first order down from within just as they were about to defeat the last Republic base. Rey thinks she's on a mission to stop/save Kylo, but it's actually driven by her own grief at being abandoned and she gets seduced by the effect these emotions have on her powers. Rey and Kylo get together at the end to put an end to the Jedi and sith and form a new, fully rounded force appreciation society (the skywalkers?) to heal the galaxy and help it sustain a new democratic movement. Just fan fiction, but it kinda makes what we got a little worse in comparison

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@domhuckle ikr? It's sad fanfiction can do better than movies, that just shows they don't care honestly

[@domhuckle]

@@ninjanibba4259 it seems strange that there's so much imagination and creativity surrounding these characters and this story, but that there must have been some kind of forcefield around the writers room where none of it could get in :)

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@domhuckle yeah it's called the forcechoke by Disney Mickey

[@Vulgarth1]

Killing Snoke wasn't ballsy, because Snoke wasn't even a character.

[@Starman.2957]

SushiJaguar lmao

[@baaLsecundus]

He was as much a character as the Emperor was in the Empire and ROTJ.

[@Petaurista13]

@@baaLsecundus Not really.

[@baaLsecundus]

@@Petaurista13 Sure he was

[@nathanaelwaters2509]

Trying to make her not related to anyone was thought

[@burritosforlater]

for what it's worth it did subvert my expectations. I thought it was going to be a good movie.

[@ryanm.8720]

Same. I though we'd explore the backstory of Snoke, have Captain Phasma not get defeated anti-climatically for a change, and have General Hux be a serious and competent antagonist like he was in The Force Awakens. I also expected the first two to survive the film, since they've barely had a chance to do anything, and I assumed that General Hux survived the film so he'd be a recurring character in the sequel.

[@melancholyentertainment]

L

[@davidludwig3975]

👍

[@Sky-pg6xy]

I didnt even bother to watch it. They clearly dont care so neither do I.

[@ultrabigfella]

@@ryanm.8720 To be fair, what was Rian to do with Snoke? JJ didn't tell him who Snoke was, because JJ didn't know.

[@petrri323]

The issue I have with Luke isn't that they didn't set up some stupid hologram, it's the fact that they bastardized the character to the point where Mark Hamil said it was no longer Luke. EVERYTHING Luke does in this film is out of character. If he wanted to die, why leave a map? If he could see the good in the 2nd most evil person in the galaxy, why did he try to kill his nephew for "showing some dark side tendencies?" Why didn't he actually go to the rebels if he was going to die anyway? Luke is not Luke in this movie. They substituted meaningful character arcs for cheap gotcha plot twists. Rey's parents are nobodies? GOTCHA! She's a Palpatine. Luke's here to save the day? GOTCHA! It's a hologram he's alive. GOTCHA! Nope he's dead anyway. Leia dies a tragic death? GOTCHA! Force powers she's fine. Snoke is an all powerful big bad guy? GOTCHA! He's dead, no one cares anymore. Also for supposedly the darkest movie in the trilogy, they ruin all of the tension in those dramatic moments with cheap comedy. Hundreds die while they try to escape, Leia is grieving at the loss. Next scene? Hey look how funny Finn looks he's a broken water hose. I can't even tell what kind of movie this is supposed to be? A space epic? A dramatic sci-fi? A comedy? Are we taking ourselves seriously or not? And that's not even mentioning the literal DOZENS of unfired chekhov's guns. Finn and Rey. Rey's parents. Fasma. Po's character arc just kinda goes away. He was a kid raised in the resistance but also somehow has a shady past as a smuggler so they can have a new Han Solo. They tried to do to much with the movie, and ended up with a cheap knock-off Star Wars movie. But it was very pretty.

[@dbirdbird535]

This is the best explanation of why this movie sucked that I have ever read.

[@DaScorpionSting]

Best explanation

[@jps6071]

@@dbirdbird535 Lets add that half of the things happening make no damn sense in the first place if you use more than two brain cells. -An entire FO Fleet can be stalled by someone playing a mama joke on their commander. Does the other captains don´t have authority to start their own fighters? Don´t they have standard protocols for situations like this? The Empire had some even for dumping their trash. -Poe gets demoted for ignoring the order to retreat and "getting" the entire bomber-squad killed. The only problem with this "logic", Leia could have just radiod the other fighters directly, relieved Poe of command and ordered the retreat directly whenever she wanted. Also, as leader of the Resistance she must have been the one who authorized the entire operation in the first place, so why sending the bombers out at all if she only wanted the dreadnaught distracted? -If Luke didn´t want to be found, why was he hiding right next to an ancient Jedi temple several people, including Han and Leia, knew he had been looking for before? -Holdo keeping her plan or the fact that she has one secret from everyone at every cost, even if facing a full blown mutiny. Which means she will be locked up and can not longer execute her plan, which makes keeping it secret even more pointless than it was anyway. -Rose "saving" Finn by crashing their speeders at full speed (which could have killed them both) a few kilometers away from their base, right next to the enemy forces that are ordered to kill them (which "should" have get them both killed). And then Finn "miraculously" making it back to their base in what could not be more than a couple minutes, while dragging an injured Rose over kilometers, through a salt field? All that so that R.J. can fool the "stupid" audience that Rose preventing a suicide move with a double suicide move had any sense or meaning. - Luke can project himself across half the galaxy to distract the First Order to buy the Resistance time to escape, but can not be bothered to tell a single person what he is planning so that they had to figure it out by themselves And several other complete non-sensical situations.

[@Kyrax88]

Can't believe you forgot to mention the biggest plot hole in Star Wars history: what's now known as the Holdo Manuever. Also, Capt. Phasma?

[@MrMalicious5]

Phasma was just a vehicle to sell toys.

[@TheSchultinator]

Captain Who?

[@vernonhampton5863]

... those are not plot holes. Those are characters or things you don't like.

[@joebomb1019]

@@vernonhampton5863 Phasma was supposedly put into a trash compacter on Starkiller base and was either compacted or blown up until the Last Jedi came out. I don't really care about that, we didn't see her die and she didn't do much. However the Holdo Maneuver effectively ruined every major space battle in Star Wars by asking one question: if it worked then, why not in every other battle? Why not fly a transport ship to destroy the Death Star and save the rest of the Rebellion? One transport would easily be worth taking down a Death Star in both relative cost and impact. Why not use single X-WIngs piloted by droids to destroy Super Star Destroyers, or to target Vader/Palpatine's ship? In The Last Jedi, there is no explanation. The Rise of Skywalker gives one, (it supposedly has a 1/1,000,000 chance of succeeding) but that means that Holdo had a 99.999% chance of missing. Sure, there may be attempts at explaining that, but they aren't good and they aren't supported by the movies.

[@Nyghtking]

@@joebomb1019Indeed, the holdo maneuver essentially rendered everything that had happened in every war pointless, because if you were in a war and expecting to lose ships and people, why not sacrifice a single ship to take out something much bigger and more valuable? A single x-wing would have dealt huge damage to the deathstar doing that if not out right destroyed it.

[@selvaracp08]

At 24:45 this guy predicted JJ will change the parents from nobodies to somebodies 1.75 years back and shows Palpatine in the image... Jaw drop

[@xdsxdxd]

This men has the sith ability of seen the future

[@russianbot9241]

no, i think that JJ had ability to watch this video, and stole his idea

[@Subscribeeveryone]

It's guessable throughout the movie Cause people keep saying rey is Kenobi, skywalker and also people predict a Palpatine as well so when its actually turn out to be true That's it.

[@soutarm]

Slid into the comments to say this. Happy to see it's already here.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

I mean, knowing that dumbass JJ, it was predictable.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

Fandom: Just what the hell are you doing Disney? Disney: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

[@Maxyshadow]

Fandom: Fair enough. You watch it then because we won't.

[@adoniswimo19]

Robot Chicken 🤟🏻

[@davimelo9181]

LOL

[@cnarylmaz998]

@@Ruvik049 We haven't prayed hard enough

[@FamousWolfe]

666th like! Lol

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

"If you're desperately looking for flaws to blast the last jedi with" That wellspring shall never be exhausted

[@daneyal7162]

I can accept Luke making a mistake and regretting it, since we all make mistakes, but the fact is that he chose to run away from facing his mistake, and in his absence, Kylo Ren and the First Order killed who knows how many people...and THAT is something that I can't forgive the writers for doing.

[@domhuckle]

You realise that by the time Rian got a hold of the trilogy, Luke had already been away for years and the first order had risen? That's on JJ's shoulders surely?

[@domhuckle]

@MrRight James a man needs to have something to redeem himself for if redemption is gonna be satisfying. Always thought he'd come back as a force ghost to haunt kylo, bring him back to the good side and then kylo would save rey from her darkness and the 2 would strike out as something new - not Jedi or sith. In this way luke could be responsible for the balancing of the force after all. Plus, you realise that while luke was away, the first order destroyed like 5 planets? What would he be protecting?

[@domhuckle]

@MrRight James you are right, and I think JJ did screw it up both in the plot threads he handed to Rhian and in the way he muguffin'd his way to the end of the trilogy. What would you have done with luke having been given the screenplay at the end of force awakens?

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@domhuckle I think a good solution would have been having Luke being trapped on that planet. Like he wanted to get back into the action but was physically unable since he lacked a ship. Another possible explanation is Luke is training his next generation of Jedi and but they are not yet strong enough. He desperately wants to help but he knows he needs a squad of Jedi to win but also can't reenter the fight until those Jedi are ready to fight. Those are legitimately the reasons why I thought Luke was waiting prior to seeing the Last Jedi. Maybe Rey being there would bolster his forces and give him the confidence to decide that this was the time to get involved. Simply put, there were so many more in-character reasons for why Luke hadn't entered the fight yet that would have expanded the rosters of Star Wars Jedi. Like I think a film where we see multiple student Jedi enter the fray is a lot more interesting than a slow chase between the FO and Resistance. But Rian went with the ludicrous idea that Luke had just given up. And he also went with the ludicrous idea of making the FO suddenly rule the galaxy when the FO only seemed like a terrorist group in Force Awakens. The sad fact is there were lots of ways for Rian Johnson to take the story in interesting and more natural ways even when given the ending of Force Awakens. But instead of building on a lot of the opportunities the Force Awakens presented, Rian made things even worse with the Last Jedi.

[@domhuckle]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi yeah, you're probably right. Bit weird that he went with the "tries to kill a child" route when there were others available

[@aidan9990]

Ok here's why I didn't like it in the least toxic, and concise way I can put it. - Luke was terribly written. His father committed atrocities for some 15+ years as darth vader, and he still wanted to, and succeeded in turning him to the light. Ben solo has some dark side-ish intentions so luke decides to murder him in his sleep?? Luke wasn't written well. - Finn didn't develop a single bit, his whole arc in TFA was coming to be selfless and care for the resistance and others than himself. Then at the start of TLJ he is trying to run away, and goes through the same arc again, with an INCREDIBLE, very well written payoff. He sacrifices himself for the resistan- wait no he doesn't, rose saves him from a conclusive character arc, which brings me to my next point. - Rose was bad. She saved finn from a very good payoff to his development over the last 2 films, and her reasoning for doing so is saving what you love, as the laser battering thing is about to bust down the door and kill all her friends. So, she stops finn from saving what he loves, because he should be saving what he loves, not saving what he loves? Wha? - Admiral Holdo was also bad, just tell finn your damn plan, even after getting mutinied she keeps it a secret? Does that not seem really really stupid to the rest of you? And the hyperspace kamikaze was cool and visually pleasing it didn't make sense in a universe where autopilots are very plausible to exist, and her sacrifice was really just meaningless in all honesty if you think about it. - The conflict made no sense. Ok if you are running out of gas in space right, with no gravity, and you run out of gas going top speed, you don't slow down. There's no fucking gravity you could reach top speed and then cut the engines and you would *keep drifting*. - Snoke and Rey's parentage were wasted as you all know, I can understand this choice because of the theme of forgetting the past, both of those things were significant parts of their past and getting them out of the way was part of that theme, but JJ built both of those things up so much and to just say "no they are nobody, and snoke got killed", is disappointing. there's my pretty legitimate I think, reasoning for not liking it.

[@christianspradlin3929]

Very well said!

[@alekra3521]

I gotta add 1 more point coming from my perspective. - Rey being a Mary Sue

[@9FlyingDutchman]

%1000 Correct there STRAF3x

[@DMoneyTaz15]

Yeah you would only need fuel to accelerate in space lol not to just keep going

[@justinb954]

STRAF3x-how about TLJ having "bombers" in space? you need a lil gravity for bombers. I predict that Rey will become emperor because she thinks its the right thing to do against Kylo Ren.

[@jchacho6335]

You assume JJ Abrams had answers for all of the questions he set up. As a fan of Lost, I can tell you that he most likely did not.

[@Carabas72]

Or Fringe, or Alias...

[@xavigarcia9372]

Or anything he does, he likes to set big things but makes always the same mistake that a novice would do: he don't write the end of his stories

[@Gaveno112]

lol very true. Lost was just one big never ending setup that never paid off.

[@trevordavis6830]

That's the big problem with JJ and why I'm not excited for episode 9. He knows how to create interesting set ups and hooks but doesn't know how to satisfyingly conclude most of them.

[@Carabas72]

@@trevordavis6830 Well, generally he buggers off and lets somebody else conclude what he has 'set up'. He generally does better with stand-alone films where he HAS to come up with an ending himself.

[@devingiannini2077]

I actually disagree completely on the idea that Han's death was one of the most emotional SW moments... I felt very very little. I wasn't surprised b/c they telegraphed it from a mile away. I wasn't connected to Han anymore since they literally reversed his entire character development from the OT at the start of the movie to recreate the same guy we met in the beginning of ep IV and it felt very artificial to me. They reduced him to a plot device for getting Rey and Finn access to the higher ups in the resistance and mostly the relationships between Han and both Rey and Kylo felt shallow and superficial, leaving any payoff for the death feeling extremely weak for me.

[@michaelminervini1908]

it was really great how, when they got back. Leia runs to hug Rey (who only just met Han) and ignores Chewbacca completely. WTF !?

[@viljamtheninja]

Eh, Han Solo was a bandit with a heart of gold; he learned to take responsibility when necessary but his entire personality and attitude toward life didn't change, that would have been weird. It seems like you're implying he should've just wound up getting the Star Wars equivalent of a regular 9-5 desk job, and THAT would be out of character. I think it's just that his acting felt a little stale and uninspired; he really didn't seem that excited to be there, which of course is why they killed him off in the first place.

[@viljamtheninja]

@@michaelminervini1908 Yeah, that part was one of the dumbest things of the entire sequel trilogy.

[@devingiannini2077]

@@viljamtheninja I think you're missing the point. Han was the same rough and tumble rogue throughout the OT, but he grew as a character and went from "I'm not in this for your revolution. I expect to be well paid," to being extremely torn between helping the rebels and getting the bounty taken off of his head, to being a rebellion general leading a borderline suicide mission in the name of the cause. I'm not expecting his personality to take a massive shift out of nowhere, but it makes no sense that he would go from being a key player in the rebellion/new republic where in all likelihood he would want to participate in establishing the new republic, to going right back to being an outlaw and swindling people for money. I agree that it wouldn't line up w/ Han's personality if he was a run of the mill beauracrat, but there are plenty of things he could do for the new republic that would fit his personality. Even if he was given a beauracratic job I think it would be interesting to see how that affects him. Maybe he is sick of a desk job so he goes off on his own to find Luke, or he starts doing clandestine ops for the republic... or maybe he even becomes an outlaw again, not to smuggle goods for money, but acting as part of the extra-judicial portion of the resistance. The thing that makes no sense is that he helps establish the new republic, is married to a very powerful figure in the republic, is best friends with the master of the new jedi order and his reaction to everything falling apart is "better abandon everyone and go back to being a conman preoccupied with get rich quick schemes." The mere fact that they made smuggling for a quick buck a priority for him shows that they ignored all the character growth from the OT, which makes it not feel like the same character to me.

[@Azact]

@@viljamtheninjathey literally deconstructed him. The han in episode 7 is like the han in the beginning of episode 4. It makes no sense why he would just run away and become a smuggler because his son became evil

[@akanji8285]

That edit of kylos chest and then snokes reaction was gold... I lol’d in real life

[@shimsham8887]

That scene already makes me laugh in general lol. He sounds so sad, and it's magnified by how muffled he is 🤣🤣

[@shimsham8887]

10:27

[@AnkoTime]

Can I just say how, even though he disagreed with the direction of the character that basically made his career and is one of the characters he will go down in history as portraying, Hamil still gave TLJ his all shows how much of a goddamn respectable professional Hamil is. I have huge respect for that man.

[@daverobson3084]

Agreed. As he stated, he decided he had to play "Johnson's Skywalker" as a different character from the original he played in the four prior films( "Jake Skywalker" I believe he calls him). Hamil almost always seems to give his all. He may not be the best actor in Hollywood, but he is ( I think) on of the most honest in his efforts.

[@notinghere2190]

@@daverobson3084 Indeed, I remember the Batman Animated cartoon, and whenever i think of joker i think of Mark's Joker.

[@1337-Nathaniel]

@@JohnSmith-xt2dm Source?

[@britishnerd3919]

I agree. He clearly didn't like the idea of the film, and yet I thought he was the best part of it

[@CoolJoshido212]

Ongr MtGA hes a conservative. they make bullshit up to play the victim.

[@flankspeed]

"What is the point of all of this if we can't destroy three tiny cruisers?" General Hux would be excellent at CinemaSins. It's a pity that he's so unbelievably, comically, abysmally incompetent at absolutely everything else.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

But isn't CinemaSins unbelievably, comically, abysmally incompetent?

[@ryanm.8720]

General Hux was played seriously in The Force Awakens before becoming a joke in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. General Pryde is pretty much Hux if he hadn't turned into a buffoon.

[@laufert7100]

"General Hux would be excellent at CinemaSins" is this a Th3Birdman reference?

[@flankspeed]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Only comically.

[@minhlevuhoang5289]

Space: I give no gravity!!! Ryan Johnson: That ship was lighter, so... faster!

[@dkey201]

Think inertia instead of gravity here

[@mikethompson7046]

Yes less weight means less energy required to accelerate

[@blackestjake]

I’ve never been angry at a movie for over two years before. I still want my money back.

[@Pringlebox]

Rian took a huge dump over everything Star Wars was and then called the fans stupid for hating it. I hope to god Disney realized the hate was actually costing them money and doesn’t allow him to direct another trilogy, I really wonder what a Jon Favearu trilogy would be like

[@karnasingh860]

@@Pringlebox And he made knives out only to show a middle finger to star wars fans

[@joaolucamendes3997]

I had honestly forgotten about the existence of this movie, and that made me a happier person, now that i accidently stumbled on this video my anger has suddenly come back, truly baffling how poor the writing for this film was, so many plot holes, poorly written characters, wasted characters, useless plot lines and semingly ramdom and nonsensical story decisions that have no logical explanation, in fact this movie has brought out so much anger in me again that i find myself writing a whole damn paragraph (on another language since im not a Native english speaker) about how flawed it is at almost 3 AM

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@karnasingh860 but knives out is a pretty good movie

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@joaolucamendes3997 I kinda like the movie

[@babycumback1829]

"Saved Finn from an inconsequential course of action that would've ended his life." It would have been a great FINN-ish to his character arc though. I was not a big fan of her though.

[@ruifigueiredo5486]

i hate when people say that all we know is that it was a suicide mission suicide mission arent necessarily failures he could have died but saved the resistance and it would have been alot better than screaming rey for 9 hours

[@BabyGirlTiny]

no it wouldn't have been a great finish to his non arc

[@WeMissDimebag]

That’s also a bullshit defense of the character, since Rian Johnson is the one that wrote it so that they teased his sacrifice, only to then reveal that it wouldn’t have meant anything. That scenario only exists because he wrote it in. Finn didn’t have to try it, Rose didn’t have to stop him, and Rey didn’t have to be there just in time anyway. It’s horse shit.

[@qty1315]

It should be worth noting that Disney declared the book Rian Johnson used in his tweet to be non-canon.

[@turbocat8329]

I was actually wondering if it was even canon when FIlmento was showing it.

[@GeneralBulldog54]

@@turbocat8329 Doesn't matter now, since because of Johnson, said non-canon book is canon

[@commietearsdrinker]

@tyler norton It should be worth knowing that you spend too much time watching CNN, and that is laughably pathetic. It's also widely known that social justice activists tend to defend these (bad) movies like it's their own mother, so I'm not surprised to see you do it.

[@adomaster123]

John Doe you can’t deny that a small minority of the hate towards these films was Russian bots. I’ve literally seen them in KZbin comment sections. They reply instantly and make no sense.

[@arielquelme]

@@adomaster123 i am one of those Russian bots then my evey fibers hated The Last Jedi

[@whoa4440]

"...1 guy building a sweet sand castle and the other one hates the sand " is where I thought it was going

[@MemesToa]

I've been a _Star Wars_ fanboy for my entire life. I was born the year before _The Phantom Menace_ dropped into theaters, I was part of the hype for _Revenge of the Sith_ in 2005, I dove into the deepest wells of the old Expanded Universe and quietly celebrated the coming of new blood to the fandom with Disney's half-reboot of the franchise. I had genuine hope for the films after seeing _The Force Awakens,_ which I still thoroughly enjoy to this day. But only as a standalone experiment thanks to its unfortunate legacy. I have only one thing to say about the hellish firestorm that is _The Last Jedi:_ It is a good movie, even a decent _Star Wars_ movie, but it is a horrible sequel.

[@docflights]

it has a lot of interesting ideas but leaves little room for a continuation of the story.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@docflights yea the last Jedi to me is a mixed bag but definitely better than the rise of skywalker in my opinion

[@Early2000sCringe]

That's a pretty good summary. If they'd decided to make a sequel to ep7 rather than three separate movies, it would all have gone more smoothly.

[@galenjoyce8452]

I thought the last jedi was absolute dogshit.

[@Deathmare235]

It’s good cause it’s star wars but it also hurts Star Wars

[@ChaosIsaacZero]

That explanation from Rian Johnson about the force projection already being in universe was, in it self, made non-canon by Disney and so, unestablished for the purposes of the Disney timeline as it is not part of 'Legends'.

[@JeremyCuddles]

I guess technically it has just been made canon with The Last Jedi. Which is well within the writer's power to do so. The writer can do and say whatever he/she wants, assuming the people in charge okay it. So even though his inspiration for force projection is non-canon. The ability to do so is no longer non-canon since the people in charge okay'd it in this movie.

[@ChaosIsaacZero]

@@JeremyCuddles But his explanation for it was a *non-canon material that's not in the movies series*. That's pretty bad for a major plotpoint and death of a beloved character for 40 years. It's a major power that has had no hinting of or been shown to us. It's a bit as jarring as Force Speed in Phantom Menace, as it comes out of nowhere and is dropped. For how it was used, it needs way more than 'oh this movie made it canon'.

[@rundownpear2601]

Chaos Isaac every Star Wars movie made up force powers and I like that it’s at least hinted at in this movie when kylo says to Rey like “you can’t be doing this projection the effort would kill you” so I appreciate that it’s at least mentioned

[@Usernamesdontmatter1]

@@JeremyCuddles I think the issue is that he tried to use non-canon material to justify him not explaining thay Luke could do such an ability.

[@Anima_Kesil]

Yeah, I was just thinking that too. When Disney straight up declared everything as "non-canon" when they started up Episode 7, and decided to go for erasure of the extended universe for all practical purposes, it doesn't let you just straight up use that extended universe as justification for literally anything in the movie lol. That definitely got on my nerves.

[@schlummerkatze795]

It's not the story decisions that made me angry about this movie. It's the discontinuation of story threads from the previous episode. And the way they framed "strong empowered women" as "like the boys only better and smarter and always right". (I happen to be a woman and this trend makes me mad. Why can't female heroes fail and grow and become stronger like everyone else? Why have they to be perfect and strong and secretly brilliant from the beginning to the end?) Poe came from an honest angle and risked life and limb for what he believed to be the right course of action. And not only Holdo framed him as a "trigger happy male" the movie did, too. Also the movie frames Holdos illogical choice to not disclose information to Poe and the rest of the crew as justified and to me it made no sense at all. There was good stuff in there but in my mind the internal logic of the movie was to weak to keep things together, like Finns and Roses side quest for example.

[@Coden11]

Say that sis.

[@danceswithgerbals1]

Totally agree. I have two daughters that I love. I want them to grow up strong and confident. I want them to succeed. I want them to realize that they are just as good as anyone else. I want them to fail, learn from it, and become better. Yet how does Disney portray "strong women"? They have to be better than the boys. They have to beat them at everything (often times physically) with half the training, no life experiences, and zero failure. If my daughters were to base their success off of Disney logic, then the first boy they can't physically outdo, mentally crush on a subject they know nothing about, or fail _at anything_ then they are not a "strong". Fortunately I am not letting Disney raise my daughters. Yet how many little girls are going to grow up with a Disney strong women mentality? How many little boys have grown up in our society feeling inferior because they are not the strongest physically and we put so much emphasis on physical strength? And these boys are on the same genetic "playing field" so-to-speak. Disney is so out of touch that they can't even see the actual mental harm they will do in their crusade to be on the "right side" of women's rights history.

[@ArbiterofTruth]

Maybe women should not have any rights? At least for s time. The whole "punish all because of a few" thing. Let it simmer, then boil. The many will find the few, beat them to a pulp, and then return the rights.

[@tomaszwota1465]

@@ArbiterofTruth It could work on a small scale like it does in the army, but on large scale you're just setting yourself for a defeat.

[@jackbandit2114]

@@danceswithgerbals1 Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a great role model for younger girls if you're into that. Also Ellen Ripley who is like the baddest bitch ever, but Buffy is good because it's a fairly long running series.

[@felipequirino5119]

when kylo ren kills his fatherHan solo, spoiler alert that's...not How spoilers alert work

[@Luey_Luey]

"she'd be the kind who never tells you she's pregnant until the baby's already graduating from college" spat my drink out holy shit

[@lucashampton6269]

Late to the party, but I think the most important lesson we learned is to have a cohesive vision for the entire trilogy of big movies before you sign off on them.

[@ace_ofchaos9292]

“The thing about opinions on the internet is that they’re all wrong. Unless they’re mine.” Mr. Plinkett

[@adamlong1196]

Plinkett can eat shit!!! He's responsible for this mess!!

[@fara.r.8181]

Mr Plinkett is a shithead

[@adrenjones9301]

@@adamlong1196 Responsible? Can you elaborate?

[@Lord_Reavous]

@@adrenjones9301 RedLetterMedia's video essays critiquing the Prequels (in the character of Mr. Plinkett) along with The People vs. George Lucas are largely credited as the motivation for Lucas to abandon Lucasfilm and retire with his wife and new child. Whether or not it's entirely true only George knows. But he caught a lot of flak for his clunky dialogue and some poor decisions (for example: over-reliance on special effects). As an aside, many of the criticisms RedLetterMedia put forth have some merit--but it was probably the intensity for lack of a better word. I know this response is late, but so was I.

[@DJMarcO138]

@@Lord_Reavous and yet Plinkett was 10000% right in every bit of his critique of the prequels, which were objectively far more garbage than the sequels, because Lucas had SO MUCH KNOWN TALENT and he absolutely wasted them all with terrible dialogue and direction. The entire Anakin/Padme romance is HOT GARBAGE, and it's a central theme of the freakin' saga. And that's just ONE aspect. They LOOK nice. The last movie has some good action - but the prequels were exactly as Plinkett said, made for drooling babies and morons who just wanted nothing but "MOAR LIGHTSABURRS".

[@m3m3nt0m0r1_]

ROSE STOPPED FINN FROM DOING HIS BIG HERO MOMENT SACRIFICEING HIMSELF TO SAVE EVERYONE. A N D T H E N S H E K I S S E D H I M! OUT OF NOWHERE!

[@TheSchultinator]

You will never be able to convince me that Rian Johnson did not deliberately set out to destroy as much of Star Wars as possible.

[@goddepersonno3782]

...ok if you're not open-minded you will never learn or understand anything new. That's not our job to correct, but yours

[@mcbean1]

@@goddepersonno3782 Are you suggesting there is an argument that would be more probable than RJ deliberately set out to destroy as much of Star Wars?

[@jaywu4804]

@@mcbean1 ye he just sucks

[@AnnoyingMoose]

That's why he is now known as Ruin Johnson.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

For real. Like the Last Jedi wasn't just a bad Star Wars movie, attacked everything that made Star Wars beloved and unique with deliberate precision. You don't get a film like the Last Jedi by accident, it has to be deliberate. Rian stikes me as a man who as a lot of ego, as evidenced by how he refused to take any criticisms following this film. He never, ever even sympathized with anything dissenters had to say in any capacity. I think he went into the Last Jedi wanting to make his mark on cinema. But instead of creating something amazing like the greatest directors, writers, and actors etc have done, he decided to destroy something amazing. Because that's a lot easer than creating something amazing and it will be just as remembered for it's notoriety. And you can't tell me Rian didn't want to destroy parts of Star Wars. The Last Jedi destroyed classic characters, classic ideas, classic themes, and even the lore and continuity of the universe. A huge message the film was to destroy the past, kill it if you have to as said by Kylo and reenforced by Yoda destroying the Jedi tree housing the Jedi text, a moment that clearly symbolized breaking with the past. Rian wanted to break with the past and he did that. He killed any semblance of legacy and history in Star Wars but the problem is, legacy and history *defines* Star Wars. As such, the Last Jedi was an attack on Star Wars's very identity and it's obvious why the backlash was so severe. Fans love Star Wars love its history, legacy, and continuity meaning and were justifiably outraged when the Last Jedi deliberately destroyed those things.

[@vincentchen5318]

"We can't catch them because they are lighter." They're in SPACE.

[@pugasaurusrex8253]

Logic

[@nicholaswilson1851]

In legends it was explained that the Mon Cal cruisers are faster than Imperial Star Destroyers but unfortunately they aren’t cannon anymore

[@jaxonjohannson]

Inertia exactly

[@fernandogimenez7520]

Rose´s Sister Dropping bombs in The Space

[@alexboehm3919]

Fernando Gimenez nothing wrong with that though 👍

[@Mgyuh]

Filmento in 2018: “All things considered, Episode IX will probably be one of the most difficult movies to script in Hollywood history” 2019: ”According to sources within Lucasfilm, there are 6 cuts of Episode IX, and they are doing reshoots because they need to modify the story. They are leaking plot details as market research, to gauge what the audience will react to” You, Sir, are a seer.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@jedidethfreak]

Link to that last point?

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

And its had reshoots and rewrites through out production and just like what happened to SOLO im like balloon that budget bitch GROW GROW GROW

[@pyromite38]

Not only that. 24:47 Filmento talks about MaRey Sue's parents, and shows the image of Jar Jar and Palpatine. According to leaks of ep 9, Palpatine is MaRey's grandfather.

[@tyrkun1624]

@@pyromite38 Correct

[@HollerPlayers]

....uhhh but literally anybody with a brain who had seen those movies would know that. After one movie sets up something and another has torn it all down, the third one is OBVIOUSLY going to be challenging. That's like saying water is wet and the fuckin sky is blue, and it doesn't take being a "seer" to see that.

[@chyldprodigy]

One thing I don't see mentioned often is the extra crushing expectations if you read the expanded universe. Like of course Luke was never going to be what he was in EU Star Wars (a guy who can close black holes or weild multiple lightsabers with the force). But to have SUCH a fall of a man who the entire movie was built around finding was not just subverting expectations, it would be like if you went to a Superman movie, but instead Superman was just a cranky old dude who eventually decides to dust off just his freeze breath to help slow down Doomsday so some humans can escape, and then he dies. For those who have never read a comic or didn't care about him that is a neat and interesting new direction! For those who grew up idolizing him, it is disappointing and devastating.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

I still dont know why anyone thought han dying was shocking. It was the most telegraphed moment in cinema. So much that I laughed out loud in the theater when everyone gasped.

[@MichaelPlaczek]

If TLJ is revealed to be Finn's nightmare while in the coma, then I'll probably watch EP9

[@stefanoolivotto2391]

Same here man. It would be the ONLY time I could tolerate a "it was all a dream!" cliché.

[@TheIndianaGeoff]

That works. Just rename TLJ to Song of the South and all is forever wiped away.

[@valthiriansunstrider2540]

Same, that's a brilliant idea in this situation

[@emiliochavez5121]

That’s the only way to save episode 9

[@sledgehammer301]

Its been done before and worked with Dallas, a 80's TV show. A whole season which included the death of a main character, was wiped clean, when the start of the new season shows that dead character (Bobby) having a shower and saying it was all a dream. So yeah erase the whole damn SW shit after Return of the Jedi, and start again.

[@DavidLangfordShaolin]

Imagine if Mark Hamill dug in his heels and refused to shoot that scene.

[@MrCarpediem6]

I don't know if he really contractually could have.. They own his character Luke .. And he pointedly for The Last 5 Years ever since Disney has bought them up has had qualms about what Disney and later specifically Johnson has been doing to Star Wars and to Luke.. But whatever he says and does, whatever qualms he's had at various interviews and sessions.. He's always come back to the point that Disney owns the character can do with it as they want.

[@DavidLangfordShaolin]

Hey, there is always a choice, even if choices have consequences.

[@Hgoenge81]

Let's not forget that Mark played Luke in three movies over 30 years ago, and he played exactly what George told him to. He started out as a whiny wimp, became a padawan who disobeys the wiser Jedi to try to save his friends and fails spectacularly with one hand less, only to be much much stronger in trotj. But I don't believe there's anything personal of Mark in his portrayal, so I don't think he knows "what Luke would truly be like" 30 years later, any more than any other moron.

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@Hgoenge81 the point of it all was that he climbed his way to power and it was earned, plus in his wisdom, you could see that he wanted to save his father badly when he understood why he turned to the Dark Side So why would he suddenly change that perception for his nephew? His sisters child? That makes no sense, when you’re in the business of helping others, you don’t just change that, time doesn’t matter on that

[@RiseUpToYourAbility]

@@DavidLangfordShaolin and Rian had the choice of not making a shit movie.

[@skippingstep1515]

A little off topic, but the guidebooks like "The Jedi Path" "The Book of Sith" and "The Bounty Hunter Code" are absolute candy for anyone into Star Wars EU lore.

[@joetrosclair8434]

I knew someone who stated ‘I never really liked Star Wars till the Last Jedi’ And yet she didn’t realize how much that simple statement said. Exactly, this isn’t the Star Wars that true fans enjoyed.

[@jordiruiz3793]

That person can keep his shitty episode then. The rest of us have 6 other great movies

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Is she Asian, or does she have purple hair?

[@joetrosclair8434]

@@NotQuiteFirst neither. But she is a looney leftist. She ended our 30+year friendship over me disagreeing with a trans person

[@freakazoid4691]

@@jordiruiz3793 what six are those? I can count four, but no more.

[@Azact]

@@freakazoid4691prequels are much better than shit sequels

[@alekssavic1154]

Now that we've seen JJ's episode 9, the kids in the sandbox analogy seems even more accurate.

[@Imperials3nate]

Abrams knocked down Johnson's sandcastle to build a new one, but the damage was now cemented in the sandbox.

[@Adriel028]

"i save u.." *AT-AT started gunning them* u got me there LOL

[@Frejjan]

Driel Hijalga that cut made me laugh so hard. Love it

[@lenin17301560]

26:30 Funnily enough, I actually agree with this statement. Episode III is the best Star Wars movie.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

yep! love that movie!

[@sarmientoenricomiguelv.562]

Me too!

[@kamalmanzukie]

this is one of my new favorite channels. no one else is on your level of cutting right to the heart of the matter and breaking it down so adeptly

[@invinciblereason1618]

The six things i hated most about TLJ were: 1. Luke being turned into some self hating, depressed old man who nearly killed his nephew as soon as he senses some rebellious teen hormones yet his father was literally a dark lord of the sith who wiped entire populations but he spared him and spends god knows how many years on some random island crying about his temple and drinking tiddy milk. Also not being given the chance to die like a true hero and is instead still sat on that island and uses force shitpost to distract kylo instead of fighting him face to face. 2. They built snoke up for a good two and a half years having fans speculating over his real identity only to kill him off suddenly with him only having about 10 minutes of screen time throughout both movies even though he was the most interesting character (also killed in a shit way like luke but didn't make sense) Could use the force to connect rey and kylo's minds from across the galaxy in order to manipulate and get rey in a trap but couldn't sense kylo was going to switch the saber on. Seems legit. 3. Rey's parents, something else people were speculating for 2 years and had the potential to be an awesome reveal turned out to be... nobody. So her parents were nobodies but she has this great connection to the force and learned what it took luke forever to do in 5 minutes. Also seems legit. Very disappointing and a huge missed opportunity. 4. Turned phasma into a boba fett that has about 2 mins of screen time and gets blasted into space and loses everytime she faces the rebellion even though she clearly looks like she can handle herself. At least boba captured han. 5. The casino planet. The whole scene. 6. Rose tico. I found her character very meh but the icing on the cake was at the end where she stopped fin from sacrificing himself. He was also a character i didn't care for but just as i was about to respect him for sacrificing himself to save the rebellion she comes along and ruins it just for one cringy line. Literally put the whole rebellion at risk and if not for luke with his wizardry she would have single handedly fucked the whole rebellion. That isn't even all the things. I could go on and on about the forced humour, princess poppins, the blatant similarities/ripoffs of the empire strikes back ect but i would be here all day. Looking back, it was worse than i thought.

[@GeneralBulldog54]

1. I hope in TRoS, this is explained (then again, I wished it was explained in TLJ). Luke feeling depressed that he nearly killed his nephew, dark turn from the usually doubtful optimist okay explain it. If it was explained that, Luke (in the words of Yoda, always looking to future but never looking at where he is in the moment), pulled his saber because he saw no light in Ben (like at all. In Vader, he saw the conflict and the light in him) but only Snoke's influence over him, I could see him going into action after seeing a potential dire future where he saw Han, Leia and his students' deaths. 2. I don't remember any buildup of Snoke (Phasma is another story) outside of fan theory. Now, had Snoke been a broken piece of Palpatine it could lead to something new. For instance, Snoke taught Ben at a young age how to separate himself from the light allowing him to gain access to untold power. The only caveat, is that the Force creates a new life from the remainder and Rey is that remainder. It's not saying someone, like Shmi Skywalker was a nobody. Even on the scale of things, it was only the first (major) of many steps to Anakin's path to the dark. 3. Same thing in 2. A path was set and symbolism there from the Jedi pool in Luke's temple or through Kylo/Rey's Force communication or their connection in TFA. Scavenger gets inside head of uber powerful Force user and bests him in combat? Something's off here. Why is Kylo getting the call from the light (Leia's hope) in TFA and why does Rey get a call to the dark but isn't seduced by its power? The power of their link should be enough to kill them or the interloper but it's not Snoke pulling the strings. It's because they're two sides of the same being. She is Ben's light half personified whereas Kylo Ren is no conflicted as much as broken and no longer whole. So to answer the question, it's not that Rey's parents are nobody or were some mystery, they're were never integral to the plot to begin with (much like Snoke, Phasma or DJ) they were simply obstacles for character to overcome. 4. Yeah, I can't defend that. They did her dirty and her deleted scene showed how calculating she could've been. 5. Seems to take less time on re-watch. That said, the venture did expand the lore. If the Resistance was quietly funded by the New Republic, then the First Order was funded by the elite here on Canto Bight (whether through arms sales or other investments, I just think if the group were sympathizers to the Empire they'd probably be human (just look at the OT)). 6. Rose had a good setup, I just hated how she essentially became Finn's Jiminy Cricket compared to DJ as Lampwick (yes, Finn is Pinocchio) However, in spite of its flaws, it has many. It was the first to purposely connect to the prequels. Illustrate the majesty of the Force as something of nature, not quantifiable. Made Luke interesting (at least to me, I thought Han, Leia and Lando were better and Luke was simply there in the OT. Here, he had lost his optimism, bound by legend he was undone because he was human, could have left the mourning scene that cut to Leia mourning). Introduced, new concepts to the lore (one that became a plot point in Solo),

[@phousefilms]

1. The Jedi forever were about stopping dark siders before they gained power, no matter if they were saveable or not. Remember that Windu tried to kill Palpatine the second he was disarmed and Obi Wan didn't attempt to sway Anakin when he realized he had become a Sith(with him and Yoda similarly telling Luke on Dagobah he had to kill Vader). He instinctively drew his lightsaber because he believed he could stop him when Ben had been corrupted by Snoke and he realized it, but then he realized he was an idiot. Luke has long been a person of instinct, even when it went against plans(going to save Leia when the groups original plan was to escape the Death Star, leaving Dagobah with his training unfinished, leaving the team to save his father, etc;) Luke not facing Ben in person is one of the most Jedi things ever, defending the Resistance and doing so non violently(which was always the Jedi way). Besides, he couldn't have left the planet in any form because his X-Wing was destroyed(the metal door Chewie busts in early in TLJ is one of the wings and the rest is sunk, most likely for years). 2.No defence for that. I do want to know what Snokes backstory was, how he turned Ben and who he was before he took control of TFO, but I don't need a whole trilogy for it. Maybe A comic. But Snoke has no more info than we had on the Emperor in the original and he was super built up, only to die being tossed down a shaft and exploding. Probably Johnson was trying to copy that, only with the "betrayer"staying evil. 3.They've said Reys sudden ability to use the Force so perfectly is because of Ben linking with her in his attempt to force(lol)his way into her mind and even her force and lightsaber skills aren't that great. Snoke easily whipped her around, she beat Ben....who was limping and bleeding from a wookie bowcaster shot, she took five tries to do a Jedi mind trick on one stormtrooper and she lifted some rocks. Don't know why people treat it like her being Yoda in Episode 2. As to her parents, thats one of the major points that I love about TLJ. She....isn't.....anybody....important. She's not Lukes daughter, she's not Bens secret twin, she's not Obi Wans granddaughter and she's not Vaders nephews cousins former roommate. She's nobody. Now on the other side of the card, theres Ben. Son of two heroes of the Galactic Civil War, nephew to a third, grandson of Vader/Anakin, etc; Even the ending with Broomboy before the credits shows that anybody can be a hero, even if they're not part of the Skywalker legacy. Bens legacy is one of the reasons he's so twisted. 4.Still don't think Phasma's dead, that damn armours been hyped so much. 5.The casino wasn't that bad. It shows how war profiteers live in the galaxy and introduces us to the kids, among whom is the Force Sensitive kid who is inspired by the Resistance. Hardly useless. 6. Thats really silly. Finns sacrifice was going to FAIL. It was said straight up that his speeder was breaking up and he wouldn't make it before the cannon blew him into Finn shaped ashes. While the romance was stupid and shoehorned, Finn being stopped from killing himself for nothing makes sense, as so many people had died all for their"heroism"throughout the movie. Rose's sister for one, and it was all pointless because Snoke had his bigger ship waiting in the wings.

[@xthor86]

@@phousefilms 6. Finn was moving at max speed, and Rose was going the other way. Yet she catches upp and overtakes him, and rams him in his side in about 2 seconds. She killed off the entire resistance with that. Even if it was going to fail, not trying at all was = everybody dies anyway. Hunky dory BS deus ex machina Luke magic prevented it, but NOONE saw that coming. And they didnt both get absolutly massacred by the first order just laying out there in the open. And on top off that, managed to run a couple of kilometers in 2 seconds.

[@Comkill117]

I don’t have anything to add to this, I just wanted to say Force Shitpost is the best thing I’ve read in a while.

[@jacobclark2409]

Yea here’s what I hate about TLJ: Everything... Rian “Cuckboy” Johnson himself. I feel sorry that Mark Hamill has to Participate is such a pile of shit.

[@bwtv147]

Vice Admiral Holdo didn't tell her own crew the escape plan. How did Benicio del Toro know the plan so he could sell it to the first order?

[@roflomaozedong]

Part 1/3 [Introduction no star wars] -*no spoilers* I'm reading a fantastic french book called "How to win a war" from Jean Philippe Jaworski. I Hope it It will be translated in the common language someday, highly probable. The hero is a kind of truand who managed by his skill to have a very highly powerfull protagonist in the republic., he is on a boat from his republic and their are pursued 3(heavy) vs1 (light). Odds are impossible from frontal fight, flee is the only option. But it doesn't work.☺ Even if they win 1V1, could win 1V2, 3V3 is too 1%chance of winning or less, enemy ships are too fat, numerous soldier and fuck physic like a goat in sahara. the third just can break it by eperonnage. But they HAVE fast ship, their strat it to go in front of the wind and outmanoeuver theim. But it doesnt work☺. Something is going wrong. Veterans doesnt panick, thei will fight to the death. The capitain refused commands and win a major battle for their tiny but high skilled republic, he was glorious. Saviours deify him, almost, they trust theim at their deep core. PART 2/3 [Links between starwars and human on a vehicles (air/marine/ground) What is a difference between a marine ship and a space-marine from alien serie, chain of order, commands, autority, respect and act even the decision is quite surprising or revolting, they have to stick to it. From the wtf situation from ground battle with swords, to ships of magellan and his ships fleeing to a certain died with logistics almost condemning the whole plan. Disorder and revolts mainly leads to defeat to epic victory. Magellan finally reach the pacific and legend was been done (btw they discover Brazil way before everyone else, a simple "refuel point" for water and food, but the officers are so superiors they didnt share Jam with Vitamine C and scorbut to the sailors, the english did by deduction...the disease disappear so fast..) PART 3 [Star Wars General Holdo (Holdo? Purple air..] - as the super captain of my book, he shared information with his crew, respect, confidence, plans to battle or manoeuvers. No spying possible. - but HERE she share nothing, almost. The mainly crew fall in dispair, the plan keep secrets and it as good cards but also very bad ones. I think the fact the depression of the crew didnt matter , it would change anything to be Hope mode or doomed mode; I try to defend here, I prefer perfect coordination on a ship. - Oh super pilot, i will put you in your place, faggot (humiliating for spectators, both sex) - Asian girl , preventing cowards to escape, good thing at this point only. Like the navigators to hang their own sailor to show authority and power. Love it; But they dont kill them, we are in the future you know, convention of geneva *cough* . Just power up your stunt instrument, cowards stay cowards but how to justify murders in a critic situation where these guys can have low skilled jobs. [bonus] Everything i write above is useless, the super pilot poe can receive the plan, understand it as the only way, even the sacrifice of the main big aircraft would be a thing. HE will understand, HE has to option of counter attack, and he can be a very good officer (lightbulb) at this point, only in the ice prison he finally gets it. Survive. Guerilla, whatever you want. You can put to knee/humiliate any form of superpower nation/Empire if you find their weekness. And the Empire and copypaste got MANY from economic/philosophical levels even stategic. etc (vietnam, ben laden, [In conclusion] : My personnal taste : Kylo reen, which i MEh at the beginning is now my favorite character. The last of the trilogy will probably a mess J.J Abrahams disney $$$ style. But I want something. The death star 3.0 commited a genocide beyond mesure. The rest of galaxy must react or their universe is complete nosense. Continents revolted against UK , France (Napoléon), Ottomans etc etc. And their, you ave fuckbois who blow whole planets full of people, this is not terrorism or strategic , it's pure evil. NOBODY CAN SUPPORT THAT. so It needs a reaction, or just put the movie to the trash. Bye

[@RedSoulYo]

This is the crux of all the criticism of TLJ. People complaining about things in the movie. Poe tells Finn and Rose to hurry up because Holdo is evacuating the ship. So many people work very hard to find faults that not exist with this film.

[@zacharybreen8891]

bwtv147 well first of all what made holdo think would happen they would let the escape pods go in the first place

[@RedSoulYo]

@@zacharybreen8891 also explained in the text of the film. There is is a conversation about it between Poe and Leia.

[@_Muzolf]

Well obviously she only had to teach a lesson to all the toxic males, like keeping her effective second in command in the dark about it, but all the women knew it. And you know, gossip, so everyone else knew it after a while, probably the sand people on Tatooine even heard of it. If only Poe had been more attentive.

[@chrisdaggett8370]

I just realized that at 24:40 Palpatine was unknowingly predicted as a relative of Rey.

[@Dev36o]

I thought it said: The Last Jedi - how to break a fan base. film perfection

[@Changetheling]

Learning to read well is an essential skill for an adult human being. Otherwise, trainwreck movies like these are made.

[@MartialArtzz]

Glad to learn Mark disagreed with the way his character went. I felt it was a butchering as well. The Luke in the expanded universe (murdered by disney) is easily the greatest character in star wars to me.

[@alexandrebirk1948]

in fact he accepted what happened to luke he was just surprise and didn't think of this turn of event. read the acticle you will see the truth

[@irrevenant8724]

Any film trilogy was never going to be able to compete with the EU. There are literally dozens of EU books exploring every corner of the Star Wars setting in detail films cannot match. That said, Mark changed his mind about disagreeing with the TLJ version of the character. Personally I find the TLJ version of the character plausible but think they really needed to support such a major character shift with more than three brief Rashamon style flashbacks.

[@barknozturk6319]

@@irrevenant8724 I agree. I feel like showing Luke turning into a bit of a gray Jedi works perfectly, considering the circumstances. His character was revolved around the feeling of hope. He was always hopeful about the future. Imagine having that much belief about rebuilding an entire Jedi Order only for it to be ruined by your nephew. The solution I would propose is actually showing Kylo killing the padawans. Luke should have still sensed Kylo turning to the dark side but should not have acted on it. That decision should have led to Kylo's fall. You could start off the flashbacks by showing Kylo's training and how he was the best out of all the students. So good that Luke believed he'd end up replacing him in the future. But his actions would get uglier in time. Kylo could begin showing more and more raw power during the training flashbacks and possibly even force pushing another padawan during a practice duel so hard that they get injured. This would be an effective way to show how he has a bit of darkness in him. Luke could proceed to lecture him and Kylo would actually end up apologizing to the padawan and tell them that they should have a rematch once they're healed. The padawan would not take this too kindly. Then you move onto their rematch. The padawan uses a cheap tactic halfway through it and this makes Kylo furious. He attacks his opponent even more viciously than before but ends up being interrupted by Luke who ends the fight. They have an argument about how the Jedi Code states that "There is no emotion, there is peace." and Kylo ends up becoming even angrier because the padawan was the one who didn't accept his apology and tried to get revenge. This leads to Kylo erupting in anger as he questions the morality of the Jedi Code and just goes to wherever his dorm is. Luke tells the padawans that he'll speak to him the next day as Kylo just needs some time to regroup. Little does he know about what happens that night. While he's sleeping, Kylo begins murdering the Jedi. This sequence has to be shown though. In fact, he should give them a chance to join him or fight against him. He makes a meaningful speech about how the Jedi Code is not morally correct and how the Jedi used to take children away from their families and such. That's the order they're trying to rebuild. This leads to some students joining him (they should've been the Knights of Ren) and some opposing him. The opposition is led by the padawan he had feuded with. Long story short, the knights and Kylo win. But Kylo beats that padawan so badly. He swings one strike after another, as he did in TROS to Rey, and ends up killing them after giving a second chance to join. Then, you can switch the roles by making Kylo the one who tried to kill Luke in his sleep. Luke barely makes it out alive by pulling a pole of his house down to create a wall between them or whatever. When he begins to escape, he looks back to see a burning temple and Kylo standing side to side with a bunch of other students. Luke would lose so much hope in a situation like that. He ended up saving the galaxy by showing Vader the light but then delayed his conversation with Kylo which led to him go full Anakin inside the temple. That would totally fuck up someone's beliefs. That is how it should have been. That flashback would easily run for minutes, showing everything that's led up to the current timeline

[@GreenSamurai2]

JJ can't save this series because he can't write a good ending to save his life. Just look at Lost, Star Trek, Super 8 and every other project he was a writer on. His majic box system is great for starting series but is usless in finishing them.

[@GreenSamurai2]

@Red I am not saying that Rian did anything good. The Last Jedi is a bad movie but The Force Awakens isn't that much better either. Rian fucked up by telling a new story and finishing off the OG's in a bad way. But JJ made a sub-par Star Wars movie while he copied A New Hope. He had the original blueprints to Star Wars and still failed to create something cohesive and or great quality. And you need someone with those qualities to save this trilogy. JJ will fail. Not because I hate him, but because he does not have the skills to make it better than what it is now. It is not all his fault but he decided to make it his responsibility.

[@129das]

JJ can't write good anything.

[@eddiebanks3583]

For what it’s worth I thought some of the Jedi aspects of the film were some of the deepest parts of the franchise, bringing in Kreias philosophy etc. but it’s like the director said “no you want to see space’s slowest high speed chase”

[@davebaconusa1062]

I just found your channel, and love it. Your descriptions, knowledge, research, fixes, humor, etc etc etc are crazy informative, and inspires me to start making movies. Thank you.

[@RaikenXion]

Rian Johnson wrote extremely uncompelling answers to the most compelling questions of the new trilogy.

[@soullessbeingontheinternet8214]

@Pete Burrows boi he wrote a play in grade school that got approved basically dissing his and his friend's bullies

[@martinweimer3172]

This is a good single sentence summary that essentially covers my problems with the movie.

[@iwontgiveyoumyinformation8895]

"most compelling questions" have you seen lost? there are no answers to Abrams fucking questions, there are only more question and questions within questions until the whole thing collapses and everyone suddenly realizes that Abrams was full of shit all along. He basically made a career out of that

[@Lockn3s5]

LOL. Most compelling questions? Intentionally hiding answers to simple questions to give the illusion of compelling mysteries. Where is Luke Skywalker? Idk no one really knows. Really? Not even his best friend or sister. That seems convenient. Who are Rey's parents? Ooooooo it's really important but we're not going to tell you so you're anticipating it like the reveal from the original trilogy. Who is Snoke? Idk let's let the next director figure that one out. Snoke's backstory or character should have been properly established in the first film as well as the First Order. How did Maz get Anakin's old saber? "A good question for another time." That is literally word for word the line in the script. A cop out bullshit ass lazy ass line. These questions weren't really all that compelling. Abrams doesn't really create mysterues so much as hold information hostage to get viewers to come back. That's really what the issue is with this new trilogy. Abrams created too many mysteries that weren't genuine mysteries but withheld information instead. Rian saw all of that bullshit and decided to actually tell a story. As okay as TFA is it doesnt have much in the way of storytelling. It's intentionally an incomplete story. JJ is a talented director but for God's sake finish telling a whole goddamn story.

[@lorastra6975]

Here's the thing about those questions and with one answer that both JJ and Rian said. "There is no direction to these movies." So that should already tell you that they don't really know what their doing.

[@God_Is_An_Atheist]

I just realized that the Critics Consensus on Rotten Tomatoes says that "The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy [...]" - no, it does not honor the saga or it's legacy in any way, and that is the problem.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

I have more of a problem with the statement "saga's rich legacy". Like since when does Star wars have a rich legacy.

[@God_Is_An_Atheist]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 A multi-billion $ Franchise that had major success at the Box Office (yes, even the new trilogy), that created a merchandise empire and thousands of stories and characters in games, comics and books, that inspired several writers, directors and artists and even influenced technology by creating fans that went on to get jobs to make their dreams that Star Wars gave them come true - And you don't consider that a "rich legacy"? I'm not saying that you have to love the franchise, hate it if you want to, but it certainly has a rich legacy that very few other film franchises come even close to.

[@abidakram1159]

legrandliseur tri bruh there's literally a lightsaber fencing sport and there are small businesses that makes money from making various designs of lightsaber. You really think star wars doesn't have legecy??? It has the biggest and most influential legecy in entertainment history that has been going strong for over 3 decades.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@God_Is_An_Atheist Great, it made a lot of money. I don't see how that's a rich legacy.

[@God_Is_An_Atheist]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 okay... this wasn't the only point I made, though.

[@CaptainMagmar]

Yo you straight up predicted Rey being related to Palpatine AS A JOKE

[@icybelua]

To be honest, I didn't even know anyone liked the Disney star wars movies. I legitimately have over an hour rant about how terrible 7 or 8 are and I never saw 9. This video actually surprised me, I had no idea 7 had positive reviews 😂

[@Early2000sCringe]

I was willing to forgive the issues I had with ep7, although in hindsight, Han's death should have been a much bigger red flag. I tried to like ep8 but it felt like its own movie, not a follow-up to ep7. You made the right call not seeing ep9, I was angry for most of the runtime and got even moreso on the way back from the theater when we were all picking it apart

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

Subverting exceptions seems to be just having multiple anticlimaxes over and over again rather than putting something that seems good in front and center while having something better waiting in the wings

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Agreed. Subverted expectations should not feel like needing to sneeze and not being able to. That being said, I did really like the twist with hologram Luke -- like, nerding out in the theater wanting to rewind and watch the fight again level loved it. It was the only twist I felt was properly forshadowed; especially the moment I realized the cameras had made a big deal of showing us Kylo's feet repeatedly during the fight, just to rub it in that he's leaving footprints *and Luke isn't!* (Sorry. Still nerding out, apparently {:D ) But, yeah, most of the movie was unnecessary plot filler or sneeze disappointment :/

[@edytaszafraniec7837]

Subverting expectations is just a code name for inability to make an interesting movie.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

My expectations were totally subverted: i was expecting a "meh but ok" movie like the one before, instead it went full retard. My expectation of a good writer taking care of star wars were completely subverted.

[@agonsfitness7308]

Been a lifelong fan. Never thought the day would come when I wouldn't be excited for an upcoming star wars film. Yet I couldn't care less about Solo or episode 9.

[@frankvizen5480]

Gerhard van Staden can't get over how much I hate a star wars film

[@ericy4522]

Me too :(

[@huntsman528]

Same boat here. I feel like they should have just made a Lando movie and not a Solo movie. And there is nothing left to even care about for Episode 9.

[@TenguBE]

Same here.

[@borderlands10]

Solo actually looks like it could be good, Episode 9... well, I don't exactly have high hopes for it after The Last Jedi.

[@mrsplendidmzl2026]

I love how he says "no spoiler" after he spoils the scene

[@andrewweidner7494]

25:38 Only time will tell. Well time told and JJ went down the dark side and destroyed Ryan’s new castle too

[@613harbinger316]

I find it laughable that to defend his decision on Luke's Force abilities, Johnson pulls out a published book on Star Wars lore. What about all the mountains of books published in the Star Wars universe that were declared null and void when Disney acquired Star Wars? Are they simply allowed to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't based on their whims, while demanding that fans get over their own butthurt? Kind of disrespectful and hypocritical.

[@brendancoulter5761]

Did you not find it at all hypocritical that captain "Let the past die" goes digging through ancient expanded universe books to excuse his bad writing.

[@Hoganply]

Are they allowed to pick and choose? Yes, you idiot, that's precisely why they did it; like the Marvel Universe and Comics, it's null until they can choose what part of it isn't. That's how resourceful creativity works. Not excusing his poor execution, but you're arguing against the wrong things. Force projection could have worked if it WEREN'T used as an ability exhibited at the the moment it was by a character whose presence makes more emotional impact if known to be real and actually physically vulnerable. It's idiotic to argue against the use of the ability. Rather, it'd be more consistent to argue against it's use in the aforementioned context.

[@Seargent363]

The Last Jedi is not about letting the past die. The only ones who said that were the villain - why would anyone agree with the villain - and Luke who was too focused on the past and the mistakes he made until Yoda woke him up by burning the tree down - and the Jedi books are still there, for Rey took them - and inspired him to move forward and be the Luke the Resistance needs. Besides force pulling the lightsaber was not a thing until Empire Strikes back and neither were force ghosts or moving large objects. And Hogan how would Luke have gotten there, for his ship is obviously in no condition to fly and if Luke was there, he could have just used the force against the walkers or pulled star destroyers out of the air, which fans would want to see and be hugely upset if he did not do something like that. By having him be a projection it takes away from him doing something like that and lessens fan outrage and it also plays into Kylo Ren not being perceptive and brash. Besides most of the audience did think he somehow made it there and was in danger.

[@tbowne05]

Yeah, I'd say the guy making a Star Wars movie can pick and choose what he wants to use from the 40 years of ideas.

[@NapoleonCalland]

That and the fact that Johnson didn't take the decision to throw the EU out of the window. He actually served up more fan service than Rogue One, if you look at the way he links Episode VIII to both the Prequel trilogy and the OT, as well as the Expanded Universe to bring in some of the lore that fans were complaining was missing. And without that Darth Plagueis = Snoke theory that made no sense and would have wrecked the whole arc of Anakin's redemption. ;)

[@steeldom1619]

The whole: "Get's torn apart for taking risks" is a straw man. The film is pretty devoid of logical character decisions and world breaking events. I like a lot of the ideas in the Sequels. But they are unfortunately nothing more than that: ideas. When I first saw Rey I immediately though of Nausicaa from the Ghibli movie. Scraping through the junk. And I really dig the concept. Unfortunately Rey is a character that has to do certain things because specific political ideologies demand it and not because the character would do them. Thats why she is capable of simply everything. The idea of a stormtrooper gone rogue is even more intriguing. But immediately after Finn escapes, in the rest of three movies we never see the toll that military training had on him. Or the fact that he's among regular people for the first time. Instead he gets a boner for Rey and that's his motivation for a big part of the story. Poe is another huge let down. When it's hurting the seriousness of the situation (when he meets Kylo Ren for the first time and the "your mother" moment) he's snarky and witty but when he should stand his ground (against admiral purple hair) he's scolded like a school boy. And after having watched Episode 9, with his background in smuggling this is so much wasted potential. Rogue one did this way better with Cassian Andor. Luke being a hermit. Sure. But it was so poorly executed that he didn't feel like the same character at all. From the incompetent villain behaviour to poorly designed spaceships (the bombers, the "fleetkiller" that is effectively brought down by one higher and one bomber) But the thing that get's me the most and that is probably the part that has driven this huge rift between a lot of Star Wars fans (myself included) and Disney is this insistence from Disneys side that criticism is only due to sexism and racism. They didn't want to make a movie. They wanted to make a statement. And they did. And a lot of people disagree with that statement. You know who actually did take risks? George Lucas. And he was being bullied for it so much in the end he said "F it" and sold the company. After more than 30 years, all we wanted was a scene where Luke, Leia and Han would travel together into space again for one last time. And with Carrie Fisher being gone that will now never happen. And even if you agree with all the agenda and even if you thoroughly enjoyed the sequels. Don't you think that kind of thing would have been an act of appreciation for the big thing Star Wars is, for the actors and in the end for the fans that made this franchise what it is through spending billions of dollars on it?

[@sporebryan2000]

I mean, I agree so much with your comment I kinda want to eat it with mayonnaise

[@Korijenkins1414]

You can use the arguments against TLJ against any Star Wars film.

[@coryzilligen790]

@@Korijenkins1414 Sure. You can also take arguments against capitalism and use them against communism. That doesn't mean that they make sense in the new context. Even in the small number of situations where the arguments against the sequel trilogy also apply to the original trilogy, there's still an issue of scale. People will bring up things like "Luke could fly a fighter the first time he got in one!" and things like that... but there were only a handful of things he was good at, and many more that he was very obviously _not_ good at, whereas Rey was not just good at _literally everything she ever attempted in the films,_ she was usually _better_ than masters with there being no possible basis for it based on the existing canon. Hell, she makes Anakin (who is basically Force Jesus, and has a better excuse than anyone to be overpowered) look like a chump!

[@Korijenkins1414]

@@coryzilligen790 Of course, but that doesn't acknowledge other issues. Luke had literally no training. How could he duel Vader? Hell, how could he even strike Vader? He had no saber training whatsoever. I distinctly remember Rey getting whooped by an out of shape, exiled Luke with a stick as well. Rey being overpowered wasn't really the key issue, I think it was Ren being underpowered. TFA did a great job building him up as a villain, and when we finally saw him in action it was... disappointing. He fought like a mad dog. On that, what was Luke not good at, because I genuinely struggle to see it? Good pilot, good shot, good mechanic, good swordsman, etc. Lets talk about Count Dooku for a second as well. When we saw him in Episode II, he easily bested both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Easily. He didn't even break a sweat, then fought Yoda to a stalemate. When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense. You're looking for consistency and common sense in a series where there isn't much of it. There are established rules, but a lot of times those rules are ignored for a better scene or a better shot or a better surprise. It's easy to scrutinize the fuck out of the sequels because they are new films and it's considered popular to do so, but you'll find just as many, possibly more egregious issues with the original trilogy if you did the same, and certainly with the prequels. I don't go into these films expecting some sort of flawless timeless masterpiece. Arguably only one of the films out of NINE even reach that level.

[@jajaxaxa]

@@Korijenkins1414 You seem coherent and reasonable so I am at a loss as to why you think this is, well, either of those things. "When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense. " These aren't integers and even if all the characters had a "fighting skill" statistic like in an rpg there would still be other factors that would need to be accounted for. Just naming a few that seem intuitive as I am not a starwars loremaster who knows all the rules and shit. In Ep2 anakin and obi wan were probably a lot more tired than in Ep3. There was also some time in between the 2 and as anakin is an apprentice we can expect him to train daily. The setting is also different and palpatine is there. Also the high ground thing makes for funny memes and all but it does portray why Anakin lost to an opponent that was less skilled than him, or at least that is how i perceived it.

[@kawaharaizumi731]

Filmento saying "spoiler alert" after saying the spoiler is some of the funniest shit I can possibly watch, made my day lol

[@matheusmterra]

Hi, I'm from the future! Your meme showing the Rey parents being "fixed" was prophetic, you've shown Palpatine

[@johnnydelibasic7997]

I remember weeks before seeing TLJ, I had a dream of seeing the movie. But when I came home after watching the movie, I forgot everything. I was so sad and angry for forgetting the whole movie. Than I woke up and realised of was a dream. Then I saw the actual movie, and I wished that I could forget the whole movie, like I did in my dreams.

[@JohnDoe-xd1wx]

8:20 I politely disagree with this statement. I personally disliked both of the films. I disliked TLJ MORE because it went out of it's way to Ruin the characters of Old. It's not that Luke became an old Grump; it's because he tried to kill his nephew at the FIRST instance of an "evil" reading (while Kylo was sleeping) When he went and tried to convince his dad to leave the Dark side....because he felt the TINIEST sliver hope inside. It's all due to a lack of proper explanation....all given explanations seem to go against anything set up in the previous 6 films

[@Darkwintre]

John Doe a decent script would have saved it and note the cast did their very best instead of ignoring the previous movie use enough and tighten the script so it made sense. Holdo for example being Republic Navy, most of the Resistance already evacuated leaving a small number aboard Holdo's capital ship that had to hide in an asteroid belt for time to effect repairs. Finn being sent to Canto Blight revealing it was a trap set for him by Snoke also ESB. Use Finn to draw Rey out revealing she is already a fully trained Padawan due to being raised by a Jedi Survivor on Jakku! Phasma is Rey's Aunt she helped her escape in TFA revealing why she did what she did. Finn is handed over by DJ so he can sneak Rose & BB-8 aboard so DJ gets paid both sides. Sorry I really need to get over this!

[@keijidash9646]

This! When people say Luke makes sense, this is what I point to. They even say Kylo was too far gone by that point and I’m like “how?” I would think committing genocide would be too far gone but Luke didn’t see it that way in ROTJ so how could a 15 year old kid who hasn’t done shit be too far? This movie is trash.

[@Avarn388]

Luke's situation is one of the worst examples of telling instead of showing. For a director who did an excellent job doing a similiar job in say Looper, I am honestly appauled at why Rian did not show a full flashback. And yes; it is a Rashomon style flashback. But style over substance does not cut it. Luke is too important of a character. We need to know what happened to him. 30 years had passed and really there is no damn excuse for this. Fanatics can cite whatever books, comics etc. they want. If you, me or anyone require supplementary material to understand a movie, then it is a failure. Overall, it is this,combined with a lack of a plan, that I have given up on SWs. People can enjoy these new films all they want, but to me they are hollow husks of what was once something amazing. Even the Prequels had a spark of life to them. I never thought I'd ever say that...

[@chrisblaze1484]

I'm actually more disturbed that Luke Skywalker, of all people, would abandon his friends and sister during a time of crisis. He basically said FUCK YOU to the galaxy and went to Ach-To to die. As Rian Johnson said in the Last Jedi documentary, Luke is a hero because he does nothing. Folks, I think laziness can now be considered heroism ;)

[@JohnDoe-xd1wx]

Chris Balze Here's the thing, Zack Snyder ALSO hates the classic goodie-two shoe heroes Yet HIS superman was more loyal to the source material (although the end is debateable)

[@tonyth9240]

24:47 Jar Jar Binks? Okay, probably a relative of Rey. But Palpatine? Nah, he does not have anything in common with her, right? Good joke however.

[@wernersgaminglounge5235]

The thing that first REALLY bugged me was that the laser cannons suddenly had a bullet drop effect in space, as can be seen shortly at 13:26. Why?

[@Menthix]

Something something space.....something something gravity...something something idunno. - Rian Johnson.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Because Johnson wanted to make it like a WW2 battleships chase, and battleships lob shells in the same fashion, so therefore the lasers move through space with the same arc.

[@tysonasaurus6392]

Imagine if he brought out her parents in chains and told her about all the horrible stuff they did after abandoning her for selfish reasons, he could try to convince her to kill them

[@knamedisme]

JJ is so 'good' in writing 'mystery boxes', he is having problem with unboxing them himself. Letting JJ to FINISH a story will be really interesting. lol

[@RaikenXion]

He NEVER answers his mystery boxes, well he doesnt answer them in a good way.

[@alexstewart9747]

knamedisme - he will 'mystery box' the movie for the next trilogy.

[@knamedisme]

Alex Stewart - Can't agree more. JJ is a typical TV series producer whose sole 'talent' is to prolong the 'seasons' till everybody is fed up and nobody is watching. And let's face it, these days, a movie trilogy is just another 'glorified' season. Movies are becoming TV.

[@howdoiplaydis8460]

If you’re going to make a trilogy like this, that already has a strong fan base, it should be left to one person with a vision for the trilogy and not handed off to another person who is able to create their own vision for their part of the project. Disney should have known better than to make this mistake since they don’t do this with the MCU. Different directors for different movies but one person is in charge of the vision

[@kiathaolee5040]

From what I heard, Rian Johnson didnt care for how star wars was before when directing the movie. As a big star wars fan, when I saw the force awakens, I was already confused enough because there were so many things that can be built on from the previous movie (ROTJ), but instead they introduce new characters, and bring back the skywalker lightsaber. Then when this movie came out, if you really noticed how the previous 6 movies were written, this 8th movie just straight up wrecks all of them. The most critical thing is that so many new characters when introduced, with ample time given to properly introduce them, still made it felt so disconnected, with just like rey and kylo being the main ppl, while everyone were just there for the sake of being there

[@TolonusCZ]

I actually like the Episode III the most because I absolutely love Ewan McGregor as my favourite Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

I love the movie and my favorite character has always been anakin.

[@Geek_Chorus]

Finn says "that's impossible" when lightspeed tracking is mentioned yet seconds later he knows all about where the tracker is, how it works and how to disable it. He even has schematics. Did Finn just forget? Was he lying? Also, Rose's sister got literally vaporized in space yet Rose has her necklace moments later, how did she get it? Did the necklace use the force and fly back to the ship like Leia? Did Leia grab it on her way back? That's the kind of stuff that bugged me.

[@ryancorrell6895]

Geek Chorus Finn only knew where the dedicated server would be located. In the film, Rose and Finn discuss that a tracker utilizing a high rate of algorithms would need to have its own dedicated power source, the largest on the ship. Finn says he knows where to find that source, as he used to work in that area. Not a plot hole, sorry mate.

[@davydovua]

"The more you like one, the more you hate the other" about episodes VII and VIII is wrong though. Hated them both from the bottom of my heart.

[@vishallan]

agreed....however as Filmento has said in the vid...he never really cared about the Star Wars lore...so I believe understand how bad both movies are bad...both these directors were chosen as part of an agenda....

[@mrrandrade]

They are both complete trash. But last Jedi is some next level trash, there is no comparison. If I hated force awaken with a 10 out of 10, last Jedi is at least a over 9000 out of 10.

[@SalusFuturistics]

watching this 2021, you improved alot

[@himayamata]

I remember the time when they first showed the Last jedi trailer. Everyone were excited and people started making fan theories about Snoke, Luke becoming evil, Rey's parents or Rey's turning to the Dark Side. But when the movie came out, half of the fandom doesn't like it. Despised it.

[@thevoicej2511]

Pete Burrows the movie also happened to just be poorly written.

[@combatking0]

If Rey's parents were nobodies, how did Kylo know who they were?

[@KrazyKelor]

Doesn’t it kind of imply that he peered into her thoughts and found the truth because she knew it all along and just didn’t want to admit it?

[@claudewinters2091]

Also why did kylo get so upset when Rey was mentioned in the first movie ??

[@Junoripper]

@@claudewinters2091 also why the lightsaber that belonged to Anakin and Luke "called to her"??? Why did it show her visions?!

[@feralchangeling97]

"What girl!?"

[@edrichlouw1790]

Visually I loved it, everything else I hated. Ray’s fights where so bad! Stop letting actors do thier own fights if they don’t train fighting!

[@nickmanzo8459]

The Last Jedi opens with a “yo momma” joke, in what way does that equate to being more an adult drama?

[@reneelasswell3734]

TLJ has a serious tone, are you kidding? It literally starts with a terrible "your mother" joke. I agree the acting of Luke Skywalker was fantastic but what Rian Johnson did to the character should be a criminal offense. He took a character that inspired millions and turned him into a self-pitying, pathetic shell of a man who died without redeeming himself and now cannot do so. Unforgivable.

[@emiliochavez5121]

Yeah I can’t even get excited for episode 9. The last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me... I try to pretend it never happened

[@coryzilligen790]

@@emiliochavez5121 "The Last Jedi?" More like "The Last Star Wars film anybody watches."

[@thefirstbourne149]

Cory Zilligen Ok...jokes do not stop a movie from being dark. Everyone pretty much lost in that movie. It’s still a little darker than the previous film!!

[@RedFloyd469]

Wasn't his talk with Yoda and his eventual sacrifice to buy time for the resistance (or the republic, whatever) the part about his redemption? I'm pretty sure that was the intention.

[@coryzilligen790]

@@thefirstbourne149 First of all, I think you clicked reply on the wrong comment. Secondly, the movie is still a tonal mess. It's one thing to put jokes _between_ dramatic moments. It's another entirely to _repeatedly_ interrupt the dramatic moments with cheap humor, like TLJ does. The opening scene between Poe and Hux is a great example of this, as the jokes Poe makes at Hux's expense and Hux's childish reaction makes it impossible to take the First Order seriously in that scene, when _everything else_ about it is clearly supposed to be setting them up as something to be afraid of.

[@emancoy]

Strange that if you overexert using the force, you die or be one with the force. The prequels, the none of the Jedi that overexert themselves and nobody died. Obi-Wan never overexert himself to be one with the force. Yoda was old, and didn't overexert himself to be one with the force. The sith regularly overexert themselves, and remains alive. So Luke dying made people in the cinema cry, while I get to scratch my head, and say What?!!

[@brufnus]

Well, actually we don't really know for sure if he's dead, right? Indeed, he disappears - but a good story teller could use this as camouflage for something more interesting than what the movies contains as they are. I doubt any of the previous story tellers are up to the task, though... they've done enough damage to the concept already. :-/ I do think it would be cool though, if this was just another hologram, created by Luke in case someone DID find him... makes sense, since he really doesn't want to be found, right? It could also protect him from the wrong guys - e.g. Sith - if they found him.

[@ManiacalClone]

brufnus I dunno. Rey and Leia both say that Luke is gone at the end of the movie. Maybe JJ will somehow explain it without Luke dying. I doubt it, though.

[@silverknight006]

25:59 Wow, that aged absolutely perfectly. Sheesh...

[@lighthousefilms5530]

I think the Last Jedi made me realize I just wasn't as big of a Star Wars fan as I thought I was. I loved the original films and grew up with the prequels, but that's where it ends for me. I've moved on, and that's OK. I'll always have the old movies to cherish and share with my children so that maybe they could enjoy it as much as I did.

[@invidatauro8922]

I'd argue that makes you a better fan than many of the people who liked the film.

[@thepotato513]

The space chase absolutely felt like an episode of Star Trek

[@Dancestar1981]

The Potato no worse

[@qualitylawncare819]

"The movies are inversely proportional." Nope. Hate em both.

[@lonestarr1490]

Same here.

[@lt0295]

I used to think I didn’t like TFA, but then I started to like it and absolutely hate TLJ when I thought about how much of a major piece of shit Rian Johnson is for doing everything he did in that movie.

[@stefanoolivotto2391]

I truly started appreciating The Force Awakens as soon as I stepped out from the theatre after The Last Jedi.

[@royceabshire2453]

@@stefanoolivotto2391 Felt very much the same. I'm having very low expectations for Episode 9, still holding out hope that maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but knowing that it's likely to be bad just nor as bad as it could be.

[@HarverTheSlayer]

I felt TFA was "meh, but well, they need to introduce a whole new demographic to Star Wars, so I can see why they're copying A New Hope. If the next one is good, then it's okay". And then TLJ came... Yeah, about all that...

[@juandelval7931]

And then episode 9 just finished the job of spreading the dump

[@fillybuster]

Great vid as always! Keep it up 🤩

[@ambrose788]

Smug corporation gets mad people don't like their overly manufactured bs.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

You're just not playing enough attention, you missed the plot point that made everything make sense, or too much attention, omg it's just a movie/TV show, stop looking into things so much. Stop trolling, our media is great, look here are some experts to tell you why you're wrong and why our products are classics and something must be wrong with your life if you don't think so. Something something fan theory. I guess blaming the consumer is easier than admitting to the shareholders that you made a bad product.

[@DrCruel]

They can blame the consumer all they want. It won't help sell any of their plastic shit.

[@SianaGearz]

@@somethinglikethat2176 You missed a plot point in an extended universe book (one of 40 or so books) that has been declared non-canon 2 years prior.

[@bigwilly43729]

Siana Gearz this is a valid complaint; I frequently criticize the notion that supplemental material is needed to understand concepts in a movie. If it’s needed, your movie didn’t do it’s job. HOWEVER COMMA Star Wars fans (and generally hardcore fans of sci-fi & comic series) can be notorious for citing supplemental material to make their arguments, especially when the movie deviates from it.

[@_Muzolf]

Stopped caring, i just view these as expensive fan fiction and nothing more. I don`t hate it anymore then i would hate some 9-year olds script where they insert themselves into the story and they beat everyone. It goes like this. "Whatever kid, if that is what tickles you. Just don`t expect me to pay for it."

[@Lunk42]

Except this fanfiction is canon which is kinda tragic.

[@thefran901]

Yeah, but you can just ignore the concept of what's canon and what's not and you'll be happy.

[@UTU49]

Great points by all 3 of you.

[@perfectcell5613]

@@Lunk42 OFFICIAL L2 ENGLISH and nope fan fiction

[@perfectcell5613]

@@thefran901 OFFICIAL L2 ENGLISH

[@andycopeland7051]

What about the ridiculous event of Carrie Fisher coming back to life and magically flying back into the ship, ignoring any sense of realism or existing SW lore? And then Fisher dies right after so they're fucked for Episode IX? Very tragic for this to have happened but hilarious all the same that they killed her, stupidly brought her back to life, and then had to put a posthumous honor in the credits before forcing themselves to use outtakes and cut footage of a main character for a WHOLE film afterwards. This will always be the funniest dumb thing Disney did with SW.

[@reboot7507]

Ryan Johnson : Take this JJ. JJ : Oh yeah, here take this.... Rise of Skywalker.

[@jakeic1]

Here’s a major plot hole, Leia gave Rey a bracelet that was to be used as a way to find the Resistabels after having found Luke. This is covered in FA and TLJ, then some 30 seconds later we have multiple people saying it’s impossible that the First Order tracked the Resistabels through light speed. Here's another kind of important issue with the film, the time period spanning the end of FA to the beginning of TLJ is less than a week. You know what would have made an interesting story, how the First Order went from no major holdings to owning the galaxy in seven days. Here’s kind of a minor issue, the way the weapons are depicted as working do not make sense. First it was the towers that couldn’t shoot one ship, then the bombers that basically self destruct upon a successful payload deliver, then the First Order fleet only carrying four tie fighters, then the energy weapons of the ships lobbing shots, to finally the speeders that fired zero shots and accounted for delaying the First Order advance for a grand total of 0 seconds, every single weapon system made no sense. Here's another minor problem, the Resistabels were running to the planet to contact their allies, who are their allies? I’m not sure what they spent on this piece of shit they called a movie, but it was clear they spent nothing on ensuring continuity.

[@jedidethfreak]

Hammil's performance was amazing. That just wasn't Luke.

[@bharn253]

Exactly. The sincere farmboy who never gives up and turns the tide. Vs the last three. Hide from everything.

[@traceyjackson9994]

Agreed

[@xxraddude3621]

Laltluangliana Sailop that was a more complex Luke lol

[@traceyjackson9994]

@@xxraddude3621 more complex luke my behind

[@xxraddude3621]

Tracey Jackson it’s true tho

[@BrontisShane]

Joe Dirt had a better parent reveal than Last Jedi AND Rise of Skywalker.

[@hazardous8301]

This video just further strengthened my belief that people who liked the sequels, just don’t understand Star Wars. You tried to look at this movie from a objective standpoint with little knowledge of the universe, and try to understand why it was so hated. But almost nothing you mentioned, is the actual reason most people hated this movie. You can’t look a a major blockbuster that’s apart of a several decades long running franchise, and then judge it on its own. People hated the new depiction of Luke. NOT because it was a darker more pessimistic version of Luke. But because non of his character worked, with who luke actually was. It wasn’t just a different version, it was a entirely different character all together, who was simply given the name of one of the most iconic heroins in media history. But let’s just review a few things of what I mean by this. The original Luke Skywalker was a hero who gave up everything to save his friends, and refused to kill his father, who he barely knew. Just because he sensed some good in him. His father, who was responsible for committing multiple acts of mass genocide, and was almost single handedly responsible for the near eradication of the Jedi order. But like still held the firm belief that he could be saved. Redeemed. This belief being so strong that he refused to kill him, even when his own life was on the line. In the last Jedi it is revealed that Kylo turned to the darkside after Luke, his uncle, who likely helped raise him, tried to kill him in his sleep, after he had a nightmare. Real Luke refused to kill a genocidal murderous madman responsible for killing his father figure, and for giving the order to kill his adoptive parents. All because he sense SOME good in him. Last jedi Luke tried to kill his own nephew who he was with since very young childhood and likely helped to raise, because he sense SOME bad in him, and the Last Jedi expects us to believe to two are the same person? Not to mention the fact that he abandons his friends and family when the galaxy needs him most SOLEY BECAUSE he feels guilty. Then there’s the whole hyperspace ram BS which creates mad plot holes in the franchise. Plus the whole issue with the space chase thing you already brought up. Episode 7 received some hate because Rey beat a highly trained Skywalker with literally no training. Which was stupid as shit. But mostly because it was a direct copy of a new hope, but with different characters, and one or two extra side plots. But other then that, it was pretty well received. Every movie after that constantly shit on established Star Wars lore, and characters. While creating a absurd amount of plot holes across the entire franchise. The sequels very existence weakens the over arching story of the franchise as a whole, and that’s why they’re hated. Not because of some objective writing flaw with any one movie. To understand why they are hated, you have to understand Star Wars lore. Granted I don’t think last Jedi was a good movie regardless, for all of the reasons you mentioned, plus some extra. But those aren’t the reasons I hate it. I don’t think the prequels are good movies. But I don’t hate them, because they are bad objectively, but that don’t hurt the lore with the story they tell. They’re just poorly written from a directing stand point. Stuff such a dialog, acting, and poor screen play are what make them bad. Not the over arching story.