THE LAST OF US 1X9 REACTION! “Look for the Light” Episode 9 Review | Never Played The Game Reaction

ELLIE’S MOM WAS A FIREFLY?!?! What a season finale! Ellie and Joel finally make it to the Firefly hospital and see some Giraffes along the way, but Marlene has a different plan… PLUS What is next for this dynamic duo??? The Last of Us Episode 9 Reaction and Review featuring Pedro Pascual (Joel), Bella Ramsey (Ellie), Gabriel Luna (Tommy), Merle Dandridge (Marlene) and so much more! WHEN IS SEASON 2 COMING???
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The Last of Us is an upcoming American post-apocalyptic drama television series created by Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann for HBO. Based on the 2013 video game of the same name developed by Naughty Dog, the series will follow Joel (Pedro Pascal), a smuggler tasked with escorting the teenage Ellie (Bella Ramsey) across a post-apocalyptic United States. It will feature Gabriel Luna as Joel's younger brother Tommy, Merle Dandridge as resistance leader Marlene, and Anna Torv as Joel's smuggler partner Tess.

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[@FLYWORLD-pf6xd]

can you final destination movie series guys

[@Richard-pf5xs]

If you think season 1 hit you hard, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[@agffans5725]

Apparently, in the game Marlene reveal that they made several failed attempts to make a cure, before they hope the sacrifice of Ellie will be the solution, and nowhere do they say they are 100% sure this would work either (and in the real world it would surely not, because this would then require loads of experiments by top specialists), they just believe and hope it will, and they clearly did not give her the option to agree to it or not, so they were going to do it no matter what, and so Joel was really left no other option that to do what he did.

[@angeladelcarmen3333]

I enjoy watching people who haven't played the game more than to the reactors who've played it. I want to see people react to the storyline for the first time, its not satisfying to watch reactions when thet get giddy and excited to the sad and emotional part of the show cuz they already know what to expect or what's going to happen next

[@DegraTrip]

You don't find it entertaining watching someone say "that was in the game" and "that wasn't in the game" every 5 minutes?

[@AlexTommo]

​@@DegraTrip "jusst liike the gAammMee!"

[@boristheblade9496]

@@AlexTommo "Where's the flamethrower DURRRR"

[@CBZero]

same 💯

[@SamA-kl6pi]

It’s a tossup. I like watching reactors who have played it but try to remain non expressive. You KNOW they’re going through hell, and I respect them for it.

[@llamallama1509]

The reason they didn't ask Ellie is they weren't going to accept a "no"

[@cloudinsky]

yes, Marlene also didn't ask Ellie

[@ChillJunky]

But she DID want to die in that hospital, Joel just couldn’t let his surrogate daughter die.

[@bluebaconjake405]

@@ChillJunky She probably would say yes but again, they need consent from ellie. Remember the giraffe scene? She said that after whatever they were going to do with her, she's gonna take joel wherever he wants to go, implying that she didnt know that the procedure is going to kill her.

[@MarioPrimePlays]

@@bluebaconjake405 it also implies that she didn’t want the journey to be in vain which it ultimately was because of Joel. She was already prepared to die when she was bit with Riley.

[@bluebaconjake405]

@@MarioPrimePlays That is also true. Again, we all know what ellie would have done if we asked for her consent. But its still important. What if she wanted to spend time with joel first? maybe say goodbyes? who knows. But its clear that they didnt want to risk giving joel an opportunity to kidnap her lmao

[@synysterbullett4166]

For those that don't know, Anna, Ellie's mom, is played by Ashley Johnson who played Ellie in the game :)

[@caragio]

And Laura Bailey, the game's VO of Abby from part 2, has a cameo as one of the nurses in the surgery room.

[@nate0765]

@@caragio She also was one of the nurses the first game, kinda funny how things worked out.

[@kevjohn2006]

She is pretty much everything! She is Ashoka, and a million other voices.

[@BiggySn1p3r]

@@kevjohn2006 you're thinking of Ashley Eckstein who voices Ahsoka.

[@peace4myheart]

When Joel said I'm sorry at the end, I think he is sorry for what he has done. He knew what he did was not what Ellie wanted.

[@adam_clown]

@@Elganleap Marlene was on the same boat as Joel. Ellie was her Best Friend’s child, her not telling Ellie that surgery was going to kill her and wanted to avoid that talk was the same as Joel not telling Ellie he destroyed humanity’s only chance for a cure. Both were being selfish but think they are doing the right thing, because they didn’t want to relive the trauma of losing someone important to them.

[@abhijeetashtikar]

@@adam_clown The way I see it as a parent - Firstly did he have that opportunity to give Ellie a choice? They are saying that Joel didn't give her a choice & took away the chance to save humanity. Which is logically & factually wrong. Joel gets to give Ellie a choice only in one scenario - If Marlene told Ellie about the killing surgery, Ellie said yes to die willingly & is allowed to meet Joel. Then & only then he can allow or deny Ellie's wish. That didn't happen. So as a parent he is left with only one thing to do & he did that thing. If anyone is to be blamed now or later in season2 that is Marlene & not Joel. Afterward though, he should have told Ellie a truth. Whatever her thoughts be, she would have understood his selfish/selfless motives by saving his daughter better.

[@elliemiller]

Thank you guys for your wonderful Last of Us reactions all season. It's how I found your channel and it's so nice to spend time with people who are kind and positive. Thank you!!

[@FanPops]

Thank you so much @E H!! We really appreciate the support!! 😀

[@FLYWORLD-pf6xd]

@@FanPops Guys can you react final destination movie series

[@Ozai75]

If you've ever seen Chernobyl, the quote "What is the cost of lies?" is incredibly fitting for the end of this game and the beginning of TLoUs 2.

[@Amfkndinosaur]

damnn yeah.

[@superronjon]

She 100% would have chosen death if given the choice. All she wanted throughout the whole series was to save people with her immunity

[@remyd8767]

Unfortunately Marlene never gave her the opportunity to make that decision in front of Joel.

[@vault29a]

@@remyd8767 why would she? also joel did 100% selfish thing.

[@lildebs1986]

I don’t see anyone talking about the fact that had the Fireflies told Ellie what they were going to do and let Joel and Ellie say goodbye all of this probably could have been avoided.

[@TukaihaHithlec]

Very skeptical Joel would have accepted that, but at least their chances would have been better.

[@lildebs1986]

@@TukaihaHithlec I truly believe that had they talked and she got to express that this is what she wanted he would have let her go. Ultimately, we'll never know, but I 100% feel that the Fireflies brought it on themselves.

[@TukaihaHithlec]

@@lildebs1986 Can’t know for sure, I guess. I know they had good intentions, but the Fireflies’ choices definitely resulted in this. In the game, the fault is squarely with a couple members not including Marlene. Curious if we’ll learn more or how it might be different in the show.

[@vault29a]

@@lildebs1986 nah. thats why they did the suicide talk, he would save her or just kill himself.

[@vault29a]

@@lildebs1986 "If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again" - game Joel.

[@RummerChan]

Welcome to the moral dilemma that video game players have been discussing for a decade. The game ended the exact same way, with the thought provoking question of whether or not the correct choice was made.

[@saberzer094]

“I don’t think she would have chosen death”… well actually!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is every indication that’s exactly she would have chosen to sacrifice her self. She feel survivors guilt from Riley and all the others that died and she has been alrdy told she’s humanities last best hope . She wants her life to mean something. Also if u haven’t play the 2nd game.

[@superbobomario8849]

Gracias por su gran esfuerzo en subir pronto su reaccion! This was such a finale, they are together but more broken it seems, their relationship was going so well, thank you guys

[@steveoconnivo9666]

I almost never watch people's reaction videos, but idk why you two are just so charming. Actually, I think it's just that you're authentic. Most people overexaggerate everything or it's not actually their first time watching it so it's not genuine.

[@Ahluk1]

Found your channel with TLoU reactions. Gotta say, love the dynamic and your understanding of characters and themes. I subbed from the first episode, excited to check out more.

[@insert_smiley]

ellie have survivor guilt, everyone she love or cared for that got bit died and she felt like its her mission because she's the one who lived.. and joel robbed that choice for her so she for sure would be upset

[@ivaewinter]

I loved following you watching this wonderful series! Now let's wait for the second season!

[@stevencroswell8496]

In the first episode when ellie and Marlene were talking Marlene told ellie she knew her mother

[@thinhvo3893]

I love seeing none gamer justified Joel decision at the ending like we did. Last of us 2 going to be a train wreck for you guys.

[@bradstrife2211]

I think you guys will have the most fun playing the part 1 game for now, and watching the second part series before playing the sequel. That's not the order for everyone for sure, but it seems like the order for you.

[@qaaronrodgers2479]

Nah they pretty much played the first game. The show is literally the first game plus more. Just skip straight to the TLOU2.

[@PetalsFourArmor]

18:32 wait for season 2

[@DrStrange_177A]

The comfort I feel watching you guys. Good people ❤🎉

[@mikaltima]

Going forward how does Joel and Tommy explain the bite marks on Ellie? She cant keep them hidden forever.

[@AudiFrog]

i won’t give away any details, but just know the second game does acknowledge that so season 2 will as well

[@AchYann]

its a hard choice.. which one U would choose? Marlene choose to sacrifice Ellie, the child that entrusted to her by her best friend for the greater good.. or Joel's selfish choice to sacrifice the humanity only for Ellie, the child that save him from being alone.. in this show, we learn that good or bad is bias..

[@jamesmeechan6983]

It was emotional not just fun and it made you think and talk about the moral implacitions at what Joel and Marlene did at the end

[@jenneilhrncir9741]

Thank you for your reactions. I enjoyed watching you all.

[@alphacommander3203]

Awesome reaction! If you guys want to play the game you definitely should. After having played the game and watched the show I think the game is still the best way to experience the story. If you are worried about spoilers for season 2 don't be. Both season 1 and the first game end at the exact same point so as long as you don't play the second game you will not be spoiled.

[@caragio]

I, too, want more of the cordyceps zombies. Not because I want more action or horror, but the human parts were so heavy that I think shooting some zombies would be a proper way to be relieved 😅

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Thanks for showing Ellie saying about who have died and Riley there were two reaction KZbin channels that played the game did not show Ellie saying that they were still good reactions and l understand some reactors will show it and some will not but l did not know Ellie said that on the show till now

[@kanito_2012]

Pedro Pascal : Mode Terminator

[@TheRevanSentinel]

In the game sense, yes, they would have made a cure. Any speculation that they wouldn’t is on the fandom’s part (issues of consent aside). ND did confirm the cure would have worked

[@qaaronrodgers2479]

17:37 You’re gonna regret saying that😈

[@Amfkndinosaur]

abby? how's Lev doing? lol

[@qaaronrodgers2479]

@@AmfkndinosaurWho’s Abby? She sound like a pro golfer😈

[@alexia-mm7ps]

Seriously

[@jamesmeechan6983]

There was another girl that Ellie went out on a date before dina in the second game

[@daven4297]

Actress Ashley Johnson, who plays Ellie's mom on the show and gives birth to her, plays the character Ellie in the game, which she also created. Such a little symbolism that Ellie in both cases is created by Ashley Johnson.

[@Sn1perAJ]

Joel did what any parent should. Protect their child at all cost.

[@1998rg]

Except the cost here was humanity itself so -

[@coolguy845]

as a person who played the game i really wish they had more scenes with infected game had quite a bit. story was good. but it started to feel like the infected were just an afterthought like the zombies in the walking dead

[@TukaihaHithlec]

For the show, they took out a lot of the distinction between good guys and bad guys, uncertainty over whether the Fireflies’ plan would work, and justification for Joel’s actions. They tried to make it more clear that Joel did the “wrong” thing her, but so far most people are still siding with Joel up until the lie. Part II has plot points that people like to spoil, so you may find it better to go through the games than trying to wait until next season without getting spoiled.

[@mediumvillain]

I dont think they really did. The show added a bit of explanation of the theoretical medical science behind the surgery but there was no certainty that it would work, it was still just the Fireflies' hope. Joel may have embellished the story he told Ellie afterwards a little bit more. The morality of the situation was identical and the events followed the game's story very closely. The Fireflies were going to sacrifice Ellie in pursuit of a cure without offering her a choice (because they weren't going to accept it if she didn't want to go through with it). They werent giving Joel any opportunity to see her and were willing to kill him if he tried to intervene, giving him no choice besides fighting or leaving Ellie to die. They took away her agency and treated him coldly, making him far less sympathetic to them. It was the same situation, it played out the same way, with the same justifications and arguments one way or the other.

[@thebeezneez3539]

@@mediumvillainEllie fought to cross the entire country. She literally said “there’s no halfway with this.” If she was told she had to sacrifice herself she would have. As we Literally know from her reaction in Part 2.

[@TukaihaHithlec]

@@mediumvillain In the game Marlene says they want to reverse engineer the growth whereas in the show she specifies how it works and how they’ll reproduce it. Questionable science aside, the show has a clear plan that they may have had from the beginning, where the game had hopes and dreams that quickly rushed to brain removal. Audiences question regardless, but the important thing is that Joel believes it would work, so they tried to make that clearer. In the game Joel gets attacked trying to save Ellie, and when he wakes up they escort him out without payment or his belongings just because he disagrees, while the escort makes it clear he wants to kill him and even tries before reaching the stairs. In the show they take Ellie in unhurt and escort him out because of a thinly veiled threat, but still give him his belongings as well as some of Ellie’s, and while they’re not friendly about it they do only escort him on the way out. You’re right that most of it amounts to the same, but these changes were made to make Joel’s decision less sympathetic.

[@VanessaTJ]

Omg, I have loved seeing your reaction as two people who don’t know what is going to happen. So not that I have any say but I’d love it if you went into Part 2 without knowing as well. Just sayin of course :)

[@analuciamedeiros4828]

i love ashley johnson (og ellie) playing ellie's mom, this is actually kinda portical

[@plussixty1686]

if they ask Ellie, Ellie would choose death in hope for the cure.. because she already feeling survivor's guilt.. Joel know this.. and he make a 'selfish' decision to keep Ellie alive.

[@peace4myheart]

Marlene is also selfish and guilty like Joel. She didn't inform Ellie and ask her what she wants to do. She made the choice for her the same way Joel did. As a result, they face the consequences for their actions.

[@gailseatonhumbert]

Actually Marlene and the doctor went against medical ethics. They don't even have a clue if it will work but will "sacrifice" the lab animal. Disgusting.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

It depends if Marlene told her that her mum is a firefliy and is part of it in the show in the first episode Ellie Marlene if she was her mum

[@remyd8767]

"I thought we were going to see the cordyceps...". We too...we too. Lol..btw..team Joel all the way.

[@briarlawson8096]

Who else laughed when the said the hope they go to Vegas next season😂

[@jamesmeechan6983]

It gives you something to talk about what Joel did at the end and what Marlene did you should look at it that way

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Joel killed all the guys before he got in the elevator that is why there was none going after him when he got in the elevator or lift

[@lilostich_]

Waiting for next season is not a problem to some of us. The first game is from 2013 and we waited till 2020 to play the second one.

[@fajaradi1223]

Does it mean we'll have to wait for season 1 remastered before we get the second season?

[@lilostich_]

@@fajaradi1223 probrably a remastered and exclusive content for hbo streaming services with new skins

[@uhuhuh1966]

Ellie 1000% would’ve sacrificed herself for the possibility of the cure, Joel knows this that’s why he lied

[@lkf8799]

No spoilers (I watched a video about part 2) - There's going to be a 5 year time jump between seasons. Super excited 😆 Looking forward to your Scream 6 video. I saw it Friday and guessed one of the killers right! Yay me! 😜

[@Richard-pf5xs]

You should absolutely play the game, and play the sequel game too, before season 2 airs.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

There was infected in episode 5 are you talking about Joel looking for them before the infected came the cordycps

[@clover2739]

Yeah that’s how the game ended and the thing is we waited for so long for the second game which was even longer than how long the second season will probably take to come out

[@soemmasays]

Quite frankly, even the people saying Joel should have given her a choice are wrong. She's a 14 year old with survivors' guilt who has experienced immense trauma. Of course she would choose to die. She should have been allowed to grow up and THEN make a choice once she's a legal adult. Why should a child have to make the decision, her life or humanity? Why does the weight of the world have to be placed on her shoulders? The Fireflies were wrong for taking away her choice and her chance to say goodbye and Joel was wrong for lying, but I think he did the right thing getting her out of there.

[@mandipandi303]

I haven't played the game, but Joel taking out the entire hospital was absolutely chilling! You totally understand his motivations, even if you don't personally agree with what he's doing. Ellie certainly wouldn't support what he did. I think she would've wanted to sacrifice herself. Erik Voss brought up a great point that even if they had gotten the chemical markers from Ellie and used them to inoculate people, the infected would still be ravaging the planet. All the infected still try to attack Ellie. They can't tell she has the chemical markers. They would leave her alone if they did because they'd think she's one of them. The same would probably be true for anyone they inoculated with Ellie's chemical markers. With the inoculation, new people may not get infected from being bitten anymore, but they'd still get killed by clickers and bloaters. Everyone would still be trapped in the QZs and the like. Until they find a way to kill/cure ALL of the infected and ALL of the fungus, as well as inoculate regular people, the world will be mostly the same. Joel saving Ellie at the expense of the world doesn't seem as awful when you look at it that way. The showrunners and Bella said that Ellie chooses to believe Joel at the end. She suppresses all her suspicions. It's so sad that she's forced herself to forget that Joel broke her trust.

[@JULIASMITH-eg9kp]

Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the game and Ellie’s mom in the series and had Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Giraffe is real. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.

[@keyfur93]

So real quick this is exactly where Game 1 ends :). So playing the game does not go past that "Okay" moment. I firmly believe Ellie would have sacrificed herself if given the choice. That is what makes it such a divisive ending. Joel ALSO didn't give Ellie a choice. No one did. No one asked Ellie. I understand Joel's actions but he ends up being the 2nd "badguy" almost. Alongside Marlene and Fireflies.

[@ragdaj]

And her answer would be "no, I am not ok", that answer won't be acceptable. There is no point to ask and provide illusion of the choice, than fireflies would do it anyway.

[@joepike1972]

Will you be playing the first game now that you watched the TV season.

[@vickmiken1719]

That’s exactly how the game ended, and it’s why it’s so legendary. You understood why Joel did what he did. Why Marlene did what she did. But at the end of the day, Joel just robbed humanity of their only real chance for a cure. Not likely that another immune person will be brought to another team of scientists with the facility to do it in and the soldiers to protect them. That was a billion to one chance. Even if it was only a 5% chance it would work, it’s the best chance humanity will ever have. And yes, Joel’s decision there is the inflection point for the second game. Glad you guys liked it!

[@jasonbbaird1625]

It’s interesting to me that Marlene begs for her own life after allowing them to sacrifice Ellie for just a chance at a cure. Back in the first episode she talks up restoring democracy while bitching that people should just follow her orders without question. Marlene is just another David/Kathleen/etc.

[@JohnnyZ716]

IMO Joel should have at least told Ellie that she would have died if they did the surgery. Tell her that they fought him or something and that's why he killed them. Instead of strait murdering them all. Just tell her that he loved her and couldn't bare to lose her. She would have maybe been upset but she would have gotten over it eventually. Now with all those lies he told her, if or when she finds out, it might just cost him her trust for good.

[@-TheShaun-]

Yep, that's the beginning of the second game in a nutshell.

[@Amfkndinosaur]

But then how would they make TLOU 2 lol

[@AndresOnce9]

Gracias por reaccionar a la serie

[@dipsydoodle2728]

What I’ve been thinking about is Marlene knew Ellie would die before she even sent her remember she was sent there because the doctor knew (remember the message she was sent )or they wouldn’t even want her there she knew cordys invade the brain there is no way she didn’t know that’s why there was no way she was even going to ask her and also planted the “you’re the cure” seed in her mind too no one knew if she actually was the “cure” and it’s her “purpose” telling that to someone who is alone and thinks they’re not important or have no self value makes them more determined to do something even reckless and actually whole “vaccine” was a maybe at best and seeing how incompetent the Fireflies are they couldn’t mass produce it anyway….but anyway in no way was she even attempting to give her a choice and in no way would she allow Joel to be awake to “ask questions”

[@silaskoenig7761]

Yessss play the game!

[@kevjohn2006]

Ish happens . Sometimes you miss..🥺

[@Robsenmh]

This was the hardest, even in the Game. Joel sacrifices the whole world just so he wouldn`t loose another daughter. He is killing the good guys and Ellie would never have wanted that. I enjoyed your reaction tho. see you in season 2

[@Martin-117]

If you played the game, you'd know the fireflies were never the good guys. The only entity that comes close to being good guys are the residents of Jackson in Part II.

[@Robsenmh]

@@Martin-117 Well, you don't get it. In this Scenario the fireflies are the good guys obviously. Not worth a discussion

[@SidPhoenix2211]

​@@Martin-117 in this scenario, despite some of the shitty ways they went about it (robbing Ellie of the choice, mainly), the fireflies are absolutely fighting for the greater good of humanity. Everyone in this complex situation is making understandable decisions. And Joel absolutely has no delusions about what he's doing. He just doesn't care because his main goal is not letting Ellie die.

[@amebecca4484]

I’d argue that if the fireflies were actually the bastion of all that’s good, they would’ve asked Ellie or even just told her. But no, they grab her, knock her out, and rush into a procedure that will kill her with no chance of further investigation or testing. Shitty scientific procedure and I definitely didn’t see an infrastructure that could accomplish anything close to what Marlene spouted off. Technology froze twenty years ago and there wasn’t a way to accomplish their proposal even with billions of dollars in funding and research of the pre pandemic world.

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[@deniskovac2489]

I completely agree with Joel. If its not guaranteed. I don't trust it. Tho I don't agree with the lying part. But ayy. Can't get everything right.

[@FLYWORLD-pf6xd]

can you final destination movie series guys

[@bandamariagostosa]

Go on, play the game... The first one and the second, it will be better than u think!

[@abhijeetashtikar]

Here's my take - If anyone to be blamed here by Ellie later in the show is Marlene.. If that doesn't happen whatever showrunners present is a simply a stupidity. Here's why - Ellie was looking forward to go anywhere with Joel & live happily. She is clearly under impression that she doesn't have to die for this. Would she decide to sacrifice herself after knowing? Maybe yes. But Marlene didn't allow it to happen. Had Marlene given Ellie a chance to decide, allowed her & Joel to process what's gonna happen & given them time to say Goodbye, it could be avoided. I would blame Joel 'only if' he kills everyone even after knowing Ellie's willing to die. Not before that. Joel's actions are a direct result of Marlene's decision to hurry everything without giving Ellie a choice. They waited for 20 years, what's another few months! Joel gave Ellie a choice twice & respected her decisions both the times. ep.6 & ep.9. The only thing I don't like on Joel's part is that he lied to her. IMO he should have been upfront about why he did it. Ellie might have disagreed with his actions but she definitely would have understood his motives (selfless/selfish love for his daughter) better. But he was afraid of losing the relationship. I would be curious to know what Ellie would react when/if she finds out what happened. Will she be angry at Joel - for killing those people or only for lying to her? To sum up - If Marlene is not in super hurry & give some time to Ellie to respond, only then Joel gets to know what Ellie wants.. If Ellie says Yes & even then Joel kills everyone then & only then he is to be blamed.. If Marlene doesn't give that chance to Elli, then we don't actually know what Ellie might have said 'before' the surgery (Whatever she may say afterwards is her afterthought considering whatever happened). So before the surgery whatever Joel does is a direct consequence of Marlene's actions & only she is to be blamed! As a parent I would do the exact same thing as Joel did. I will take a blame only If I did those killings even after knowing my child's wish to sacrifice themselves. All the best to HBO. If they ignore this simple fact in next season then they will have very angry reactions from parents. Protecting the children from the 'predator' is a primal animal instinct.

[@d.t.nelson8805]

Ellie most definitely knows that Joel lied to her. Joel finally moved past his grief and found a surrogate daughter in Ellie, only to destroy that relationship by lying to her.

[@analmf1210]

I don’t think Joel doesn’t care for all that people, that he killed, he doesn’t have time to care and anyway is totally disconnected from reality just concentrated in going for Ellie before is too late.

[@ladrac198]

Funny that so many people are on board with Joel SLAUGHTERING about 20 people to save Ellie, when they really are trying to do a good thing. But when he lies about it... that's where the line is drawn 😂

[@gailseatonhumbert]

Thank you for your reactions to this story. It's pretty simple Ellie wasn't given a choice. They were going to kill her always for others benefit. Standard situation ethics question they have been using since after WWII and the concentration camps and medical experiments carried out on prisoners there also without consent. Joel is ethically correct and nobody knows if killing Ellie for this experiment would even work as a cure for others.

[@Robsenmh]

Joel is ethically correct to kill 25 people, of whom 23 where not making the decision and sacrifice a possible cure for the whole World because of his personal emotion. Also making a comparisson to ww2 Experiments is wild. But Bella Ramsey said it. It will devide people.

[@gailseatonhumbert]

I can't see the comment so I assume it was negative and they blocked me to "win"

[@Robsenmh]

@@gailseatonhumbert nope. Not blocked.

[@Robsenmh]

@@gailseatonhumbert I just pointed out that it is wild to compare that to ww2 experiments and that you maybe blind for your own double standart, since Joel killed 25 people for his and his only benefit. Have a good day

[@CBZero]

Filipina

[@AgtDaleChomsky]

It'll be interesting to see how you deal with the text of this going forward. The text is, Joel did a selfish, unforgivable thing. You seem not to get that yet, & it's understandable. Bella said Ellie would've chosen death. It was her purpose. What you do with that info is up to you.

[@CarlyleKayla]

“you seem to not get that yet” is kinda ignorant. many people understand that what he did was selfish. but it’s an accurate portrayal of love and the extents we would go to protect the people we love. you can acknowledge he was selfish, but also forgive him because he is acting as many, many parents would their children

[@AgtDaleChomsky]

@CarlyleKayla Didn't mean to sound condescending. Thanks for pointing that out. But if we forgive Joel, we forgive Kathleen. I found that to be a really effective inclusion in the season b/c of this very moment. The text is the text. How we process it is up to us, & that ultimately says more about us than anything in the text. Knowing where this goes, this moment always tears my guts out, it makes me angry & sad. I feel no justification or hope. I just feel Joel's guilt & Ellie's pain. It's heartbreaking, & they did a phenomenal job adapting it.

[@pencil6965]

@@AgtDaleChomsky Kathleen on a revenge mission isn’t the same as Joel saving a child

[@AgtDaleChomsky]

@pencil According to the creators, it rhymes. Henry, too. & there will be more going forward that reflects this. It's up to us how we want to process these things. Some prefer to make excuses for Joel. Some condemn him as a villain. That's what makes this such a brilliant project. The text is the text. What does our reaction to it tell us about who we are as people.

[@larsyxa]

She is not traumatized by David anymore, that's months ago, she is just contemplating the end of it, the journey is soon over and she knows it. I've seen this in gameplay vids, it so obvious the trip is commin to an end, what after the goal? She is maybe the best to explain it, melancholic.

[@kryharper]

Marlene made me angry taking the moral high ground with Joel if she was that convinced that Ellie would of gone ahead with the surgery knowing there was no guarantees that she was the cure and that it would also mean her death than why didn't she give her the choice instead of drugging her what a hypocrite, I'm with Joel on this except when he lied that was wrong I understand why he did it I just don't agree with it he should of just told her I think Ellie would of forgiven him eventually because she loves him he's her father now and they need each other

[@gregkral4467]

All folks gotta do is infect pregnant women then induce labour. I am sure contractions are helpful getting the good stuff in. then the mother would have to be put down, this would have to happen a couple hundred times from all around, for genetic diversity, those kids will grow up and have immune children, they will have inoculations given by the first hundred or so known immune, then they can just keep replicating but at the beginnings there would be sacrifice for sure. But then after, immunity.

[@Hungstar69]

last of us was only meant to have one game and this is how it ended.

[@WarNeverChanges9191]

In the game Joel killed the doctor and nurses as well.

[@peterjessop1878]

You don't have to kill the nurses

[@Magno_Money]

No you killed the doctors and nurses lol

[@peterjessop1878]

@@Magno_Money Not in the version I have. You can choose not to kill the nurses but you have to kill the doctor. I've done both

[@Pandaemoni]

Devil's Advocate: In Episode 2, they talked about bombing Jakarta (and everyone in it), Boston and other cities just to slow the spread of the infection. Tess seemed good with bombing Boston because "they had to try something". Jarkarta is a city of about 10 million people. How many Ellies died there (without consent) for an even slimmer change of stopping the spread? The mycologist lady who recommended the bombing knew full well she was condemning her family (presumably including her children and grandchildren) to death for the greater good of the world. Was she a "bastard"?

[@civilengineering9134]

Do not play the second part..only the first part... please don't play the second part before the show..

[@auggiedoggie4968]

It's crazy to see people rooting for Joel. I get it. But he's wrong in this situation!

[@peterjessop1878]

Thats the whole point! its not as cut and dried as that. Whether its right or wrong is entirely dependent upon your point of view. IE is humanity too far gone to be saved. Is it right the Fireflies have control over a cure? Would you allow daughter to be killed? Would the cure actually work? Was Ellie in the right state of mind even to make her own decision if she had the option? Should Joel have told her the truth? probably, but he was scared of losing her and of course there will be repercussions of that lie.

[@joelcanas1218]

Abby is coming